GWM Tank 300 (Wrangler clone): Terrible towing; even worse brakes | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@robvanduren761]

We own 2 Chinese made vehicles because we were tired of the legacy brands quality and relialility. Both have been impeccable and you can dream on bullshit legacy auto makers.

[@King-Kazma]

To be fair and balanced, I saw a new Jeep lift its rear wheels a few months back when the exhaust system detached at the manifold end, causing it to ‘pole vault’. Driving on 80km/h arterial road.

[@MrKdr500]

Exhaust or tailshaft? seems highly unlikely an exhaust would do that without just bending up under the chassis....

[@King-Kazma]

@@MrKdr500 Exhaust. Once the front hit the road, the rest pretzeled as it tore off the mounts. Two lengths of folded exhaust pipe and a muffler is enough to kick the rear into the air.

[@DZ-cm5xw]

That was due to the dump driver. Never see that happening, nice story

[@rogerthat487]

Read recently that an Exploding Vehicle caught fire when a rock or similar was thrown up and damaged the battery, plus they can't get wet feet without hot flashes either. Off road? I think not.

[@pilkipilki4472]

John too much excitement in the intro for this time of day

[@SalvoDan]

The MB140D that I was forced to drive at a previous employer was not only ergonomically terrible, but was able t get the rear wheels off the deck constantly. In one side street behind my workspace, I was able to launch the rear wheels over every speed hump, and keep them in the air most the way to the next speedhump. Great Fun!

[@johnbambo9036]

Value Cars Australia (Competing UTube Channel) has their say on the AE (non Driven) review of the TANK 300. 5 days in I am really impressed. Bridges are there to be crossed, AE is on one side of the Bridge and hasn't crossed to the other side to see where the sun don't shine.

[@alafrosty]

Cause of wheel lift: soft suspension gives Tim for body to develop large rotational momentum. When the front end gets fully loaded, the rotational momentum leverages off the front to lift the rears. The vehicle balance is too far forward and the rear wheel travel is insufficient. They need to move the front wheels forward and tighten up the front suspension a little.

[@georgekaplan6451]

I thought it was only the little Suzuki vans from the 80's lifted the rear wheels in a panic stop.

[@DiHandley]

If there’s a quicker, cheaper, crappier less reliable way of making (copying) something, the Chinese will find it.

[@Patches-vq8cd]

I like how they stick two diff lockers in a 4wd and the internet blows up that tank can go anywhere.

[@schrenk-d]

I think some of that lift is also down to suspension geometry... as well as the softness of the front.

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

Agree. Something is not quite right there, aside from the soft suspension. It’s basically using the front axle as a pivot point. Maybe too much weight is positioned ahead of the front axle?

[@muzzthegreat]

Yeah, I'd be assuming the Tank has no anti-dive, and surely no anti-squat.

[@schrenk-d]

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Certainly part of it. The platform was likely never designed to be a hybrid. Where the batteries are placed can also have a big impact. If the bump stops were engaged, it would certainly mean it is too softly sprung at the front. Generally a very poor suspension tune, mixed with a platform not designed to take the given centre of mass of a hybrid platform. Another contributing factor is its brake balance. Note: Seeing how the right rear (from our angle... video might be reversed) clears the road more, I imagine it has a Panhard bar/rod as well.

[@drivingenthusiastaustralia]

@@schrenk-d Yep, you’re right. During testing I could definitely feel the right-hand (in direction of travel) wheel pop higher than left. Camera isn’t reversed.

[@schrenk-d]

@@drivingenthusiastaustralia It is a travesty the YT algorithm hasn't sent me to your channel... Subscribed. Thank you for your work and content.

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

I've driven pickup trucks over the last fifty years driving, and this "performance" is much what to expect from an empty pickup, in particular, "those small ones with good fuel mileage". I'd suggest the suspension is the culprit along with a problem with center of gravity. It's getting awfully hard to buy a decent vehicle in this day and age, too many engineers lacking in math skills. Always a pleasure, John.

[@andrewriches506]

I would say too many engineers lacking in brain cells. If the company employs 50 engineers do they all share the single brain cell?

[@devarmont87]

Engineers don't lack math skills mate. The issue with manufacturing is the board of business minds consciously choose to not listen to engineers input. They make but backs to save money and profits. The engineering mathematics was and always will be sound.. They're paid their weekly wage to shut up...

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

I agree with you whole-heartedly. I've no engineering degree, but have been a mechanic and machinist better than fifty years and I know the practical application. I do have "the math", I paid for my college as I went.@@devarmont87

[@zorbakaput8537]

A good example of making a sow's rear from a sow's ear!

[@alexandermckay8594]

I'd love to see this this do the moose test!

[@mx4073]

I live in the US and I keep hearing about Dingo Piss Creek I would love to see this this creek could you please do a video at the creek. Love the show your wit and vocabulary are intoxicating......

[@tundramanq]

Emergency braking in a curve could have you looking where you have been and maybe flipping.

[@tgalloway]

'Stralia summer time looks like a good time of year.

[@marinusscholtz9342]

With the price in mind, a few tunes will resolve the braking issue. My camping trailer is 1.4 tonnes, so I'm good. Not everyone tows at max. There is room for this vehicle in comparison to the outlandish prices of its competitors.

[@jerrykim4117]

still better than wrangler's 3star ANCAP safety rating, I wish to see the same test with upgraded aftermarket suspension setup.

[@CarbonEternity]

What the Jeep wrangler has going for it is its the origional. It's a shot box but everyone knows it is. But it's also very capable machine with a historical cult following. This Chinese garbage is a straight rip off of a jeep and is worse than a wrangler. It's another example of how the Chinese cannot innovate, they copy, and poorly.

[@timjohnun4297]

Already been established that the ANCAP tests are crap, plus why would you buy a brand new vehicle that needs an upgrade before it leaves the showroom?

[@miskatonic6210]

​​​​​@@CarbonEternityYou cannot get that much worse than the Wrangler shitbox. Yeah, it has a following...of cavemen. You won't persuade these cavemen anyway, because obviously they don't make rational decisions. They aren't the same target group as customers for this...Tank. Btw...your last part is obviously just racist. Chinese EVs are clearly not copies any more, they are waaaay ahead when it comes to smart tech and very innovative when it comes to design. They clearly don't even design for a western market anymore, because they see their own market is way more important... Most still have to be cheap of course. But seriously, US americans shouldn't throw with stones in that regard...looking at their own car brands.

[@giddyurp]

​@@timjohnun4297isn't that what every Toyota owner does? Buys a Toyota because they think its the best then spend 20k on upgrades before it hits the dirt

[@gottalovethephilippines5417]

@@timjohnun4297 like no new car buyer (typically 4x4) ever fits aftermarket suspension 😂😂😂

[@hi9580]

Long term reliability doesn't matter for offroader. Does matter for overlander.

[@TheWacoKid1963]

Excellent start to a YT video, thank you John

[@cedhome7945]

If you see a wrangler in yellow from the front they reminded me of calculon from Futurama....

[@markdotcomau]

Simply rebranding from Great Wall Motors to GWM is enough to fool most aussies...it really is quite sad and disappointing at the same time

[@BDogs10]

don’t be sad :( GWM go forth 😂

[@marklittle3551]

Peter Wherrett use to perform emergency braking on his tests back in the 70s and 80s and I cannot remember seeing any rear wheels leaving the road back then. I remember the HJ KIngswood being pretty shit in this regard at the time but no where as shit as the Tank. Its wheels at least stayed on the road!

[@s970022bee]

Just a quick info - CarExpert recently did a test in 12 popular SUVs, including 100-0km/h braking test. The results are: Ford Everest Platinum V6 @ 44.74m 2492kg Ford Everest Trend Bi-Turbo @ 46.07m 2417kg Isuzu MU-X @ 42.63m 2175kg Nissan Patrol @ 44.99m 2746 kg Jeep Grand Cherokee L @ 40.19m 2190 kg Land Rover Defender 110 D300 @ 42.39m 2348kg Land Rover Defender 110 P525 V8 @ 40.92m 2602kg Lexus LX600 @ 41.76m 2660kg Mitsubishi Pajero Sport @ 45.81m 2,045 to 2,209 kg SsangYong Rexton @ 41.56m 1986 kg Toyota Fortuner @ 43.9m 2350 Kg Toyota LandCruiser 300 @ 42.84m 2630kg Toyota LandCruiser Prado @ 39.03m 2385kg CarExpert also did the test for Tank 300 (2155kg), which has the braking distance of 42.09m, fitting in the normal range.

[@s970022bee]

Further research found: Jeep Wrangle @48.56m 2027 kg. The significant dive, as Tank 300 braking, is the consequence of soft suspension, which is beneficial to filtering bumps.

[@MitchDenham]

There is zero excuse for a vehicle to lift the rear wheels in emergency braking situations. It’s not so much a question of braking distance, which the CCP fanboys seem to be focusing on in the comments, but stability (and therefore control and safety) under braking in an emergency situation.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Wasn't there a motorcycle manufacturer that made sure the application of the brakes triggered the stiffening of the front suspension to counter dive.....? @@s970022bee

[@s970022bee]

The braking test video shows the lift of rear wheel only impacts on the braking distance. There is no sign showing the stability issue, such as rolling, sideway or losing control. For your information, Tank 300 can pass moose test in 74km/h. Just check moose test for other SUVs for comparison. BTW, the colonialism licker always has double standards. @@MitchDenham

[@Studat]

Brings a new meaning to the term Launch control 😂😂😂

[@rjbiker66]

Soft springs and probably insufficient low speed comp damping on the front. GW would be wise to own this and come up with a solution. Then they can brag "suspension tuned for australian conditions" Remember toyota in the early 80s. Sloppy Corona, bone jarring Landcruiser. Then along came TST.. toyota suspension tuning and their cars were essential fixed during first facelift. I think we can thank Holden with RTS for the suspension changes brought out subsequently by Ford,Chrysler, Nissan and Toyota

[@timjohnun4297]

RTS lol

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Radial Tuned suspension. In Govt service the RTS vehicles were still being shod with cross plies after they wore the OEM first set of radials out... XPlies were cheaper on Govt contract...!! for a couple of years. Ever done a pursuit on retreads??? That's some scary shit.... @@timjohnun4297

[@amateurmakingmistakes]

We saw that episode on Drive yesterday and I told my wife about THIS review here. Her comments? That they couldn't get any decent car reviewer to comment on the Tank, and instead, got the comments made by two cyclists. The host himself admitted that he had bugger all experience off road. The other biggies are what you've pointed out here, John, about the towing capacity. And also that the arse end lifts when hitting the brakes hard. How fucked is THAT?!

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

How do you steer with only front wheels touching the tarmac. . I'M guessing the 2500kg pushing forward on the tow ball during braking will add to driver excitement. Thanks for headsup. I'll stick with my pajero.

[@Bobtubeau]

Hi John, have you driven this car?

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

No because knowing it to be dangerous he would be legally liable if he did drive it.....

[@forzer456]

Honestly some people don’t need the max towing, they want a nice modern interior which it has and some off-road capabilities.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

But don't you want to be able to select where you explore it's off road capabilities??? I mean if the vehicle randomly selects to go off road in an emergency braking situation at 100kmh on a downhill bend on the freeway without you. the driver, having any say in the matter....😎

[@forzer456]

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk just like the Jeep stereotype how many of these cars will be pavement princess, making school runs, staying in the suburbs and not doing long tours. If your a person that needs the max capabilities of a vehicle you already know what you need and what to look for. Most people don’t tow and how many times have you emergency braked at 100kms my assumption most people haven’t done that because their not driving recklessly or put into dangerous situations constantly. If those issues concern you just don’t buy it, each buyer has their own needs and this car will meet some people’s needs.

[@TheWombat2012]

As one who thinks that a caravan or camper of 2 tonnes is the maximum anyone should be allowed to tow on the roads, the towing capacity doesn’t bother me. I’m sorry but I’m not one of those people who sees “can tow 3.5 tonnes!!”, and thinks “sweet!”, and rushes out and buys a 3.5 tonne caravan as so many people do.

[@father_shane]

The wheel lifting issue is frightening. How can stability control work properly when this happens? Also, what happens if the vehicle is turning? The front outside wheel must be highly loaded.

[@waynehaw7915]

No anti-dive geometry

[@indeepeterhopwood8106]

There’s only one red flag that matters with this car. 🇨🇳

[@shanereid5663]

It needs stiffer springs in the front, it would be nice on the small bumps. Adding rear droop gives more travel, think of these vehicles as ready to drive kits that need upgrading but will still be cheaper.

[@justinkennedy5405]

I’d be thinking it’s the front shocks are more the issue as they are the item that will deal with the initial want for the front to dive, and immediately resist that.

[@shanereid5663]

@@justinkennedy5405 the spring is responsible for the rebound on the shock absorber paluka.

[@justinkennedy5405]

@@shanereid5663 The diving of the front of the vehicle needs resisting, by way of bump damping (compression) which is dealt initially by the shock absorber, which then reduces excessive pitching up by applying rebound dampening, resisting extension. Springs/leafs in simple terms carry the weight of a vehicle, the shocks determine the speed of travel in the suspension. A combination of the working together constitutes suspension tuning. The Tank 300 needs this to be better.

[@shanereid5663]

@@justinkennedy5405 shock angle. Laying a shock over makes it softer in the corners. Adding caster moves the weight further back on the front tyres and resists diving, your constitution of suspension tuning is missing about 25 amendments 😂😂😂

[@justinkennedy5405]

@@shanereid5663 I think you’re mixing your metaphors there 😅. Caster is the negative, neutral, or positive slope of your steering axis pertaining to the front wheels. Bugger-all to do with stopping the vehicle diving at the front end. 😜

[@nigelcox1451]

It seems all owners must befriend a 'Rosie', to sit in the luggage compartment, and help keep the rear wheels loaded. Otherwise, use up all excess weight allowance with bags of wet sand. Perhaps with a heavy trailer bearing down on the hitch, braking becomes better, apart from the extra weight pushing forward of course. There's an experiment, play with varying trailer loads, to find the sweet spot of best braking performance.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Pushing forward = great. Pushing sideways when braking on a wet downhill bend = disaster?

[@charliedee9276]

Loved the AC/DC reference! I was driving to High School when the news broke over the radio Bon Scott had been found dead. One of the best!

[@bobveness]

one of your best john. you just saved me.

[@willshadow100]

If you believe this bull before looking at ALL reviews then hes brainwashed you. The Tank 300 is a superb vehicle.

[@rufaimuhammadaminu6873]

I watched a practical comparison of Wrangler, Landcruser and Tank 300,the Tank out performed all the two Wrangler and Landcruser So they are trying,the Chinese I rather buy the Tank than Wrangler and Landcruser If I need to offload frequently

[@ozman528]

One of your finest reviews I must say.

[@warrenjohnknight.9831]

Oh my goodness John mate, 😮😮😮you blinded me with 6 Tiffany's,.😮. My😮My blood pressure zoomed up and down. 😊😊😊😊😊.

[@Mike-ry4ti]

Never trust your families lives to a car made in a county where a dead person is seen as little more than a dead bird.

[@danielgutteridge2575]

This man could not be more painful to listen to. If he has a wife or kids, I feel sorry for them.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

6 wives so far......😁😁...do keep up!

[@danielgutteridge2575]

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk haha i wouldn’t be surprised mate. Next time you review a car, maybe actually go for a drive in it, or at least look at it.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

That's the great thing about doing research... you look at what already exists and interpret that to the benefit of whoever can benefit from analysing the problem... or discovering it. As an engineer John could look at the vid of the rear wheels coming off the ground and say "That's not right". He then tells us that without having to drive something dangerous.... @@danielgutteridge2575

[@jamieclarey1542]

All his misso's piss him off quick smart, he is a negative as a battery terminal

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Positive about that?.....@@jamieclarey1542

[@malcolmirving9485]

The wheels should be off the ground! It's the tyres leaving the ground I would be worried about.

[@kyliemull3709]

I got one and its fantastic love it! It drives beautiful so comfortable around town as well as quiet, good smooth power delivery, plenty of tech, all the passive/active safety you'd need. Theres a video on its AMCP 5 star test on KZbin

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Stood hard on the brakes on a downhill bend in the wet at all?

[@billboyd753]

Unrelated, EV insurance. Any chance of doing a near on $ value compare internal combustion v EV cost for insurance and see what the Insurance companies think. cheers :)

[@greg4390]

So if I don't want to tow a caravan and put some heavier springs in the front it's a good car .

[@dougstubbs9637]

“Trousers Optional “…. ‘SIR, YES SIR’ *sarcasm begin*

[@MrJugNut]

LOL They will probably spin it as a design feature, where they say the truck was designed to work at it's best while towing heavy loads. Because they sure won't be saying that it's unsafe without an extra load on the back wheels. They could make some extra cash from selling a special after market towing bar kit(made of lead) so you can drive safely when your not towing ;)

[@TheMDHoover]

Oh man, don't give away the secret serenity of Dingo Piss Ck to the masses...

[@ElusiveAlloy]

Fancy XD Falcon air vents!

[@charlie2king]

You seem to be focused on the towing capacity What if I don't wanna load up the car with weight and tow 2500kg

[@ozyrob1]

Well done ANCAP.

[@a.gordon.1385]

What if I Don't have or want a caravan? What if I've already got a Ute should I wish to tow? What if I'm looking for an SUV of this size as a second vehicle for my partner? What if my Ute is actually a GWM Cannon that has impressed me enough with its value for money, for me to consider a Tank 300? A petrol one? What if I'm planning to fit better suspension anyway, just like I did with the Cannon, (Which was also somewhat under-sprung) Then what? Do I listen to your tantrum and still not buy a tank 300? Should I go spend more money on a car I don't like as much?

[@oldbloke204]

Waste your money on whatever you want to dude. He's pointing out some issues that are going to affect some people including those who may not have thought too much about the GVM, for example. If the difference between one of these and a Pajero Sport is only 6k then it would be the Sport for me every time. And yeah I do own one and it does very well.

[@marcoslopez2744]

Same. I don't tow, I don't have kids, and only go off road occasionally, I wouldn't overload it ever.

[@stuartmcculloch4972]

Maybe we should get Rosie to sit in the back.

[@davidferry548]

So if any vehicle goes one kilo over the GVM , what it explodes? I'd bet many vehicles of any style or type are often driven over tbe rated GVM leaving Bunnings

[@AutoExpertJC]

No - but your insurance explodes, and if you crash and kill someone, you might go to prison. Apart from that, all good.

[@davidferry548]

@@AutoExpertJC probably correct but I still wonder how many thousands are out there towing their way to aluminium heaven over loaded and don't know or don't care

[@chrisstevens463]

@@davidferry548Heaps of them out there,they take the risk hoping they don’t get stopped and weighed.

[@steven1898]

@@AutoExpertJC Yeh right, Australia sending people to prison for being a bit over GVM? You into drama are ya?

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Driving any vehicle knowing it to be "dangerous" is a criminal offence established in law in 1963 in the UK when a man drove a Ferrari while knowing that the front brakes were defective and if applied in an emergency...would serve the vehicle uncontrollably. He decided to drive slowly.. but still had an emergency.. the brakes made the car swerve and he couldn't control it... and killed an innocent young female. Convicted and sentenced to imprisonment... So now knowing that this new vehicle raises it's rear wheels off the ground and does that in a straight line situation.... and obviously is even more inclined to do it in a bend.. and even more so in a downhill bend.. with subsequent probable loss of control... who would drive this vehicle even without being over GVM???

[@A861967]

Yep the rear lifts off the ground when you do an emergency stop😂

[@J_Doppenberg]

Just a guy commenting of stuff he never drove. Move on.

[@rob1733]

Does EVERY video of yours need to be about something shit and feature the shit emoji? It's getting a bit tiresome. (Not to mention THE LONGEST nods to a sponsor in the industry.... 🙄) (And since you tend to be pedantic, yes, I know not ALL your videos are about shit. Regardless, it's still tiresome.)

[@215Gallagher]

When there is nothing to choose from but different varieties of ordure one must play the hand that's dealt.

[@rob1733]

Are you John? Or one of his writers? Because that could have come straight out of the mouth of the man himself! Thanks for the laugh! 😂

[@215Gallagher]

Just learning from the master.@@rob1733

[@CarbonEternity]

Chinese engineering lol

[@JustPeasant]

General rule of thumb: Chinese car brands?🇨🇳 Don't pick it up. Even dirt cheap. 🇨🇳 Hybrid or EV? Run. Run like hell, and don't turn around to have a look!💥🔥🔥

[@ramadiscrete5641]

It is a war against china we all know

[@pranays]

Imagine that wheel hop in a Canadian winter. It's bad enough these Tesla turds can't drive now we are going to have sliding EV trucks?

[@cybermatstrikes7557]

To be fair our local GWM dealer was upfront with its limits regarding payload and towing limits. I wouldn't buy a Wrangler or a Tank300 for towing.

[@hoaniwitana1104]

What would you buy for towing?

[@DZ-cm5xw]

A Tahoe, a F150, a Ram 1500, a Silverado to name a few.

[@Themuffinmand]

A tow truck

[@RoyFJ65]

Even the FJ Cruiser with a gas guzzling V6 is not made for towing.

[@kajak012]

@@hoaniwitana1104 isuzu dmax or mux ?

[@bnjumaan1932]

I own a tank 300 and absolutely love it i off-road the shit out of it and already ordered suspension and roof tent i don’t care what people say as long as i enjoy it

[@BDogs10]

100% go for it

[@Ali-ly5je]

Congrats me I just BOUGHT A TANK 300 NO REGRETS AT ALL THE BEST OFF ROAD adventure cars I ever owned & it's highway friendly. Driving in the city was never easier for a 4x4 . Fuel consumption is average I do love it

[@BDogs10]

nice purchase, I’m think about it too

[@Srprotjs4bpark]

100% correct

[@feizo]

Picked up mine in Feb and I'm loving it!

[@MikeJones-mz5ig]

Yes 3500 buyers have found the brakes fine, and don't need to tow the Queen Mary. It's a great vehicle.

[@shaunmillsom557]

Same here!! It's awesome!!

[@jefftheaussie2225]

The only thing an Australian won’t overload is a wheel barrow.

[@wkdpsin]

I'll pay that!

[@barbraabsalom4531]

I had to brace the wheel barrow up , cause I overload it all the time 👍😉

[@F.Krueger-cs4vk]

I welded 2 large swivel wheels on the back stands of my barrow so I could load it up.

[@kirovfactory]

they love watching a wheelbarrow filled to the brim with concrete and dumped all over a customer's lawn by an apprentice on his first day

[@marinusscholtz9342]

Namibians and South Africans too 😂😂😂😂

[@Slipperystick73]

Oh boy… GWM fanboys are going to flip as they all say.. best 4WD ever they had.. 1 guy claimed it’s better than his old 2019 Range Rover sport lol

[@frasercrone3838]

You have missed their strategic planning with the brakes John, they are set up to work when you are towing the Red Dirt Palace and therefore the back wheels stay on the road. See, they were on the ball. Tow ball that is.

[@charliemarkovic4301]

Your local CCP, clandestine police station wants to know your location.

[@GuitarsRockForever]

To be perfect honest, the car it tried to clone isn't something known for quality to start with.

[@krissteel4074]

The 1990's ones tended to have a big following in burgerland with a decent engine and being a somewhat protected species there, there wasn't a lot of competition. But the newer ones even the hardcore fans aren't really willing to die on that hill, because its not getting to the top of the hill and much more likely to end up in a mart car park or waiting for some exorbitantly priced spares. I guess cloning one might be seen as flattery or desperation

[@GuitarsRockForever]

@@krissteel4074 The older generations were very capable, when they are not shit themselves. I must admit I like them myself (not as owner, but to take a ride).

[@krissteel4074]

@@GuitarsRockForever Its a pity they didn't maintain that lineage of vehicle's robust and capable attributes. The market was swinging towards mall-crawlers and mum cars instead of off roaders. So it kept the cash coming in I guess, at the cost of dumping the good bits

[@mongolike513]

Mate you might just be living in the past. Go and have a drive of the new GWM or Haval and then try t convince yourself that the Chinese aren’t improving at twice the rate that the Koreans did, with quality.

[@markiangooley]

Even though I’m thoroughly American I tend to call a Wrangler a Wanker. Has a reputation for unreliability.

[@sambagogo777]

Quite possibly more reliable than a Land Rover and also probably less likely to have a Luton moment!

[@landrover1155]

Wouldn't be hard mate with a third of the kit of current Land Rovers. Cheers

[@dougstubbs9637]

Lucas, the Prince of Darkness.

[@landrover1155]

@dougstubbs9637 not from about 1995 mate then it was Bosch and Valeo (very very good kit). Cheers

[@wafive]

Saw a story yesterday about Luton, claimed old matey with the Hot RR knew the car was on fire when he entered the car park, but was "running late". But he did ask the servants at customs to attend to it.. as he had places to go.... Will be interesting to see the outcome of this... if true, of course.

[@harrywalker968]

its chinese.. they build sht.. ever bought tools.??.. garbage, as all there products... except the foton tunland.. which is basically american, dana , cummins..

[@sidjyothi]

In 3 years and 90k KMs of driving in all manner of Sydney traffic, how many times have I had to do a full scale emergency ABS stop? Zero. This is not the end of the world. It's a great value car and it shouldn't put anyone off buying it.

[@BDogs10]

Yes, a full scale emergency stop at speed is rare . Tank go forth 🫡

[@theshadypilot]

By the same logic, I'm assuming you haven't really needed your seat belt in that time? I suspect this reviewer may well urge you to not put one on hence forth :) Seriously though, it looks to be an otherwise great car. Except for maybe the looks from the front.

[@alafrosty]

Lol. I had to do an emergency stop last Friday when someone walked out from between cars at night in front of my pickup. I missed the idiot by a coup,le of feet, but it was very close.

[@windfal7]

We drive at 140km in UAE highways..

[@ozymandias7940]

Have you ever stomped on the brakes in a Hilux with an empty tray? Does the same thing because of the weight transfer to the front & bugger all weight in the rear. Suzuki Seirra/Jimney is another that will stand on its front wheels in similar circumstances.

[@MrKdr500]

do they both weigh over 2 tons?

[@ozymandias7940]

@@MrKdr500 Unladen weight of an SR5 Hilux is 2,050kg (4500lbs), Jimney probably half that

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Over 400 GWM Tank customers are currently running the experiment on a public road near you.

[@kirovfactory]

let's have a guess how long would it take to add a zero to that figure. I'll start with... June 2024

[@kramerinoz5557]

@@kirovfactory if true that will be 4000 GWM Tank 300's on the market in about 4 years worth two parts of bugger all, less the amount that drive off mountains and start bushfires.

[@WhiteHammer-d3j]

Best thing with these Chinese cars is they are easy to spot so you know to stay the fuck away from them on the road

[@budget4x4life]

Why would you buy this for towing in the first place. Take it offroad, where it outperforms 💯

[@csjames69]

Come on John, those automotive experts on Drive TV loved the Tank. What’s wrong with you? If Emma and the other bloke on the show say it’s good, we should take their word.

[@rufaimuhammadaminu6873]

I appreciate your fair judgement, I think John is paid by Toyota Landcruser and Wrangler etc the old company. The fact is the Tank all the specs are wonderful

[@ronch550]

Well he shoots down everything.

[@WhiteHammer-d3j]

@@rufaimuhammadaminu6873no they’re not. They’re shit like all Chinese products

[@benjamintresham9649]

It’s almost like the rear shocks are too short for the suspension set height. I would like to see how much the nose of the car drops under braking

[@ManxAndy]

With you there….the shocks are topping out, or exceeding their maximum travel, whichever way you want to say it, too short.pulling the axle up …..👍👌

[@angelotsi849]

I wonder if the aftermarket can come up with a fix for this. The car as just a 4WD (not tow vehicle) is quite capable. If the suspension is just to soft and does not have enough travel then a 50mm lift with firmer spring rates might be the go.

[@marinusscholtz9342]

Just stiffen up the front suspension and you are all good. Payload remains a problem at max towing. Rarely we tow at max, so no probs actually...

[@johnarmstrong5727]

As a skid steer driver being a bit greedy with the grab/bucket can get this effect but on a vehicle travelling at speed it could be lethal .

[@paulredfern2252]

Who sets GVM figures, and then how can companies do GVM upgrades? Why aren't there ADR rules that state vehicle standard from the factory is to have a payload equal to 4 occupants and normal luggage and accessories i.e. 600KG payload... and from this allow the max trailer load to be reduced to ensure real-world compliance... max towing in this Tank to then be 2.1Tonne?

[@timjohnun4297]

They kind of do. An NA category vehicle has to have a difference between tare weight and GVM of 68 kg's x2 x number of seats, as an example, at least in WA

[@sergeant5848]

Speaking out of complete ignorance it's probably because not everyone buys a vehicle to travel to dingo piss creek towing a 3.5T shittwar (?) on the back. Some are work vehicles, with only one occupant (the driver) towing industrial loads/materials. The ADR has to be generic enough to handle that. That could be complete horse-shit, but it makes sense to me. Why make it easy for the bonehead consumer!?

[@Grumpy-sy7wr]

That under car camera, looked like it not only hit the bump stops at the front, but had bugger all extended travel left in the rear at ride height. Perhaps longer shocks, or reducing the unladen ride height could help that rubber stay where it should be.

[@timjohnun4297]

A cheap Chinese copy of a vehicle that was already a pile of crap. What could possibly go wrong....

[@tomy8339]

This is funny as every other car review on KZbin has given this car such glowing reviews. You had to rain on this parade, didn't you? 😂

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

The Emperor's new clothes....a bit airy for the fairy...

[@calebkemplay6040]

The others are paid shills or kissing the boot of the CCP... maybe both.

[@harrywalker968]

there paid to make it nice..or they dont get paid.. same as scientists, doctors, archeologists.. they all have to tow the line,,or not get grants.. then do seminars to live..

[@tacticalaccountant]

At least they test drove one and they are the ones pointed out the brake issue. John on the other hand just summarised the findings from others and enjoying the rewards.

[@cthorno2991]

Also when you're controversial you get more views

[@MrButtonpresser]

It's just a nod to the cars name, the "Tank". Most tracked vehicles tend to lift their rear end in a sudden stop.

[@virangaabeywickrema3901]

Yup, and operators of a Tank in combat situations also have a very short life expectancy as well!

[@SpencerHHO]

As someone who has the perquisite psychosis and personality flaws to consider a caravan. 2T is the soft upper limit for what I'd consider acceptable. The only time I've ever towed around or above 3 tonnes with my patrol has been flat towing late at night with the vehicle being towed having working brakes and a competent person behind the wheel. I've towed close to 3 tonnes with a car trailer but once again I avoid doing so at busy periods so I can take it nice and easy and reduce risk to myself and others. It's always been fine but towing a 2.5 or 3T caravan with any regularity just seems absurd to me.

[@ScatManAust]

Don't matter what time is, if it's dangerous or suspect, it's dangerous or suspect. Knowing its dangerous or suspect is even worse.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

Driving any vehicle knowing it to be "dangerous" is a criminal offence established in law in 1963 in the UK when a man drove a Ferrari while knowing that the front brakes were defective and if applied in an emergency...would serve the vehicle uncontrollably. He decided to drive slowly.. but still had an emergency.. the brakes made the car swerve and he couldn't control it... and killed an innocent young female. Convicted and sentenced to imprisonment... So now knowing that this new vehicle raises it's rear wheels off the ground and does that in a straight line situation.... and obviously is even more inclined to do it in a bend.. and even more so in a downhill bend.. with subsequent probable loss of control... how liable is the Corporation that imports these vehicles when selling them to the public???

[@SpencerHHO]

@JohnSmith-pl2bk did you mean that to be a reply on my comment?

[@SpencerHHO]

@ScatManAust there are restrictions as to when and how you can tow or transport certain loads. You can legally flat tow a car with another car provided certain criteria are met. We double checked and even confirmed with vic roads and local police before doing so, the cops suggested doing so at night as well because less traffic is inherently safer. When it comes to towing or Driving itself, you are performing an act that has inherent risk and danger. The amount of risk or danger that is acceptable is a matter of law and reasonable judgement. Any reasonable person who engages any level of critical thinking understands that less traffic is less dangerous and reduced risk. There is a reason that the transport of large freight and cargo is usually limited to off peak times. Everything I mentioned could have legally been done during peal traffic and I've seen plenty of people move heavier shit legally in peak traffic. I personally chose to do so in a manner where there were less uncontrolled variables, and I wouldn't be unnecessarily adding to congestion.

[@Blanchy10]

The caravan may stop the rear wheels lifting if you're lucky!

[@colinarnett9546]

The weight and inertia of the towed unit under hard braking may compound the vehicle's rear wheel lift...

[@ev0wat]

If might lift the caravan and now you have a caravans driving force behind the vehicle with only 2 wheels of contact trying to stop tonnes of weight! You’ll go sliding in front and end up in a fatality. Note: this was done in perfect dry weather conditions, and then you have rain etc.

[@wozzach2540]

Geez you people talk some absolute 💩

[@justinkennedy5405]

Interesting and topical story John. Wondering if it can be fixed somewhat with a better suspension setup, as ‘Which Car’ tested (stopping from 100 on a dry road) with the following results: Gladiator 44m Ranger 42m Navara 41m Other vehicles were in the 37-40 range.

[@Leosarebetter]

Thank you! Its not as bad as OL John makes out - he should reference these results to be fair.

[@justinkennedy5405]

@@Leosarebetter Still a situation that should not occur in a modern, tested vehicle. Manufacturers should tune suspension for countries such as ours. Also, the carrying capacity has to increase, just not enough.

[@simonbond2503]

Geez John, I love the extended description of a caravan. "Taking a dump at the head of the dining table" I almost can't tell that you don't like them.

[@BDogs10]

.Guy appeals to the basic & crude

[@rotoehu9266]

As you say John, your mate Paul from that other Aussie based ‘expert’ site showed the Tank doing the same ‘lift at the rear’ under braking thing weeks ago - and the stopping distance was still not as bad as some of the established rivals he’s tested

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Braking distance isn't the primary concern here. It's the lack of dynamic stability during it.

[@craigquann]

Yup. Up on 2 wheels and suddenly one wheel hits dirt/mud/sand while the other is on pavement... and suddenly your sideways and upside down.

[@cthorno2991]

​@@craigquannCars just hit mud and want to flip? quite the imagination you have. Any tests that don't involve matchbox cars and you making engine noises to back that up?

[@craigquann]

It does when it's on 2 wheels and one slips turning the vehicle sideways and over.... I thought it was pretty obvious...

[@kirovfactory]

@@craigquann you know when other high gravity 4wd brake hard the rear wheel has next to no weight on the ground as well?

[@johnbambo9036]

Praise the Lord, been looking forward to The Auto Expert Opinion piece on the TANK 300 for what seems like years. Popped open a Beer pulled up the chair to the i5 9400 Six Core with MAG Mortar 32GB RAM and RTX2070. Don't want to miss a word of the Goldie loxscreen time

[@harrywalker968]

i buy vehicles more than 25 yrs old.. still on road, must be good..

[@maxkendal5152]

It's OK if it only brakes on 2 wheels, the ANCAP report is 5 stars with excellent driver and passenger protection.

[@hardworkingtaxpayer]

Correct, and purely focusing on the towing defeats the purpose of the intent of the vehicle- outdoor 4x4 toy.

[@tonyn1991]

So you’d rather have the accident, write off the car and survive rather than not having the accident in the first place?

[@user-gk1nt6sm2z]

You will need the protection as you will definitely crash. Enjoy your hospital holiday.

[@maxkendal5152]

At least you got the joke, if not the humour.@@user-gk1nt6sm2z

[@BLUEZz73]

Chinese bots are out in force pritecting their death trap shit box gwm tank.

[@GringoCarioca]

Thoughts on cannon Xsr? Cannon has been in circulation a while now and seems to be OK in terms of med term reliability reports?

[@NewGoldStandard]

This is the scariest car review I've ever seen. I've never been a fan of the Jeep type cars, but I'm quite happy GWM aren't even sold where I live. Retardistan has its faults, but having that death-box on the streets isn't one of them.

[@JohnSmith-pl2bk]

But you have the originals....you can't Wrangle your way out of that...

[@NewGoldStandard]

​@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Touché.

[@cthorno2991]

Ford explorer... enough said

[@ghs7714]

Nice gay t-shirt John!!! Ww3 edition?

[@ajs-qv5fe]

yup, john is right, and to john, as long as its not a toyota, it has to be wrong, thats just how it is, thx for the review, john expert

[@brentsaddress]

Don't be butt-hurt because someone doesn't tell you that it's ok to ignore that nagging feeling that the temptingly cheap CCP wagon is a textbook case of bad engineering and cut corners.

[@ajs-qv5fe]

@@brentsaddress "butt-hurt" and "cheap ccp-wagon" - its that ccp thingy again, lolllllllllll - whos the butt hurt one, eh ??? plz, do yourself a small favour and have some self-respect, stop buying anything at all thats made-in-ccp-china or made by ccp-chinese, however small the content may be to enrich them, and dont sell anything to ccp-china or to the ccp-chinese to stop them from interfering in your wonderful little life ... lolllllllllll, good grief ... icymi, 1 out of every 12 chinese is a ccp member in china, you must be living in fear ...

[@garywillis8737]

Judging a car without actually driven one himself. What you say must be creditable.

[@deadmanwalking6342]

Hate Chinese cars NOW! Only 9.99aud

[@byronnightingale5550]

The Great Wall tank tanked.

[@TheLastOilMan]

Wasn’t sure of thumbs up till I saw the girls, haha

[@josephhalwagy6435]

who did they sleep with to get their ANCAP safety rating?

[@wilneal8015]

❤Perhaps They Were Permitted To Share The Company of Those Bikini Gals😊🏁💫😎🍯🎯