Gypsy and Ghawazie in Egypt - Culture and History

The Culture and History of Gypsy and Ghawazie in Egypt.
There is a difference between Gypsies tribes "Ghajar tribes" and Ghawazie family in Egypt. There are still many dancers and choreographers who believe in otherwise, which has caused some confusion in the content of folk dance for both groups. Most researchers look at the Gypsy and Ghawazie from a narrow anthropological point of view, away from the kinetic expression that indicates the way of life and how it affects them.
Also below are more details about the Egyptian Gypsies and Ghawazi:
Talk about Egypt in Dance | Clarification between Ghawazi family and Gypsy tribe | Part 1
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Talk about Egypt in Dance | Clarification between Ghawazi family and Gypsy tribe | Part 2
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[@TamerAziz]

Dear Bro, Jordan_FooballEditz " @jordanpesta" And all my friends here who talk about gypsies: My academic standing does not grant me the right to point out errors, nor do I speak from my own mind about all this information, as every piece of information we mention in our lectures or books must be documented. As you know, there are many books and references that we use in our research. As specialized researchers, we do not rely on hearsay but on these books and references, unless it is a new theory or new information, in which case we specify how we arrived at it. You can now blame all the academies, and here are some of the references I mention below that you can refer to: ------------------------------------------------------ - Etudes Tsiganes : Bulletion de I’Association des Exudes Tsiganes, Paris - Gertude Jobes: Dictionary of Mythologies, Folklore and Symbols, The Scareero Press. Inc. New York, 1962 - Journal of Gypsy Lore Society: Old Series, New Series, Third Series. Published by the Gypsy Lore Society. England. - Martin G., and J. B. Ferman: M. A. Collens New Age Encyclopedia world, Atlas, and Sports Supplement, London. - Paspates A. G.: Etudes sur les Tchinghianes ( with an account of Recent works). - Verzeichnis Von Werken und Aufsatzen: Welche in alterer und neuerer zeit uber die Geschichte und sprache der Zigeuner Veroffentliicht worden sind, Leipzig. - Glake A.: Origin and wonderings of the Gypsies. London. - Durham M.: Some tribal origins, Laws and customs of the Balakans. London. - Fitzgerald B.: Gypsies of Britain: An introduction to their history. London. - Jenes, Michael O.: Francis Hindes Groome: Scholar Gypsy and Gypsy Scholar. Journal of American Folklore. - Numelin: The wandering spirit, a study of Human Migration. London. - Banda D.: Gypsy Medical Folklore in Hungary, Journal of American Folklore. - Dostal Walter (of Vinna): Personally and culture conflict of the Austian Gypsy. Journal of the Gypsy lore society. - Harvey, Edward: A lost Gypsy craft. Journal of Gypsy Lore Society. - Halliday W. R.: Folklore studies Ancient and modern. London - Petrie W.: Folklore of the Borders (with “Johnie Faa’s Pursuit” and historical note), London and Edinburgh. - Bartels E. D. and Brun G.: Gypsy in Denmark: A social biological study, Copenhagen. - Goben W.,: Some comparisons between Gypsy and American English terms. ----------------------------------------------------- Are these references enough or should I elaborate more?

[@ferencfarkas2729]

Hi there as a Roma wanna say thank you for this educational video about my ppl Roma/Romani/gypsies .. it’s accurate what you say .. in the 5th century we were taken of out India into Persia Iran than over there we become servants metal workers entertainers .. and than from Persia one half went to moors and the other half to Egypt to this day there are dom doma domari tribes in Iran Egypt Morocco and other Arabic countries a very small minority live there since the 5th century .. and than the Turks Ottoman Empire brought the majority of our tribes to Europe as slaves properties for the military because of our professions metal workers who made swords plus musicians who entertained for centuries..

[@TamerAziz]

Dear Frank Wolf, It is my honor that you watched and liked the video. One of my goals is to share the truth after all this misinformation I've found everywhere. By the way, I still have more information about Roma in Europe as you mentioned and I did not include them.

[@ferencfarkas2729]

Yes but those people that you talking about those are our ancestors for us Roma gypsies .. or we were there with those tribes because the story is the same ..

[@TamerAziz]

@@ferencfarkas2729 I'm in your side and I know what you mean of course. I'm against ignorance and against people who are hostile to any race.

[@hodaibrahim9267]

You are right, it is very important information 👍❤️

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much!♥️

[@zahirarazi5573]

Very Good! Very important talking about this. Thank you so much. Shukran 🙏

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much my dear Zahira Razi🙏

[@mariaalejandrapezoimburu9676]

Thank you, very much Tamer!!! It is very important information for dancers!!!

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much my dear Maria Alejandra Pezoimburu!

[@InstructorKatz]

Thank you for Beautiful Explanations & your Study. Sorry I'm late to watch as I'm busy with many things but I save & I do enjoy watching this informational videos! Love, from Singapore Xoxo -Instructor Katz Khadijah

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much my dear Instructor Katz, I'm so happy that you watched and enjoyed the video. Many greetings to you, your family and all of our friends in Singapore.♥️

[@gisellehabibi]

Wonderful video, thanks for making it!

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much my dear Giselle Habibi

[@claricelam5348]

Thank you Dr Tamer

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much my dear Clarice Lam!

[@gjemiljakamberova]

has been maintained that the Gypsies are Egyptians, and even that they are the followers of Pharaoh, perhaps not yet gotten home from that

[@TamerAziz]

This was some of the oldest information that many people had not yet upgraded their knowledge of. In this video, I mentioned new information related to this topic, both in my colleagues’ research and also in my published research.

[@swnerd-2320]

I am Egyptian and am 0.5% North Indian/Pakistani according to 23andme. At first I thought it could be noise but then after doing some research, I thought it could hint at possible Domari/Gypsy ancestry. 🤔

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much for your comment. The truth is that we, as Egyptian nationals, speak the Arabic language. There is a study conducted by Dr. Margaret Kendall, followed by Dr. Tarek Taha, on a large sample of Egyptians. This study confirmed that 78.6% of Tutankhamen's genes are present in 6.7% of Egyptians, which means that about 90% of Egyptians are descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Additionally, there is research by Dr. Mark Jobling, Dr. Kaufer Seald,, and Dr. Luca Bacca from the University of Cambridge that confirmed that 55,000 years ago, Asians and Europeans carried Egyptian genes. This was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics in 2015 under the title 'Egyptians in whole of us.' Therefore, as you mentioned, there is a small portion of our genes, as Egyptians, that could be attributed to other ethnicities.

[@loquat44-40]

People that become dispossessed like the Ghawazie seem to happen in other cultures and are often called gypsies. What comes to mind are the Irish travelers. Despite often being incorrectly referred to as "Gypsies",[6] Irish Travellers are not genetically related to the Romani, who are of Indo-Aryan origin.[9][10] Genetic analysis has shown Travellers to be of Irish extraction, and that they likely diverged from the settled Irish population in the 1600s, probably during the time of the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland. Centuries of cultural isolation have led Travellers to become genetically distinct from the settled Irish.[11] Traveller rights groups long advocated for ethnic status from the Irish government, succeeding in 2017.[12]

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much, dear Carl mohrherr, for this valuable information.❤️️

[@lakhbinderjitsingh7795]

Egypt is place where the gypsy comes from , coz it is the nearest place to europe .

[@TamerAziz]

There is no evidence to suggest that the Gypsies originated from Egypt or that Egypt was their original homeland, nor is there any evidence to suggest that the Gypsies traveled to Europe through Egypt.

[@TheLampDancer]

Some of your facts are incorrect. The Ghawazi are Nawar, Sinti and Romani. The Banat Mazin girls speak Nawar and Arabic because Yosef was Nawar and their mother was Fellahin. The dancing came from Awalim dancers that they witnessed in the 1500's when they went to Egypt after the Battle of Chaldiran in Kurdistan. The reason why they all dance so different is because they come from different dancer lineages. See the Romani copied the Sinti and Nawar dancers to try and get their jobs. That is why Sinti and Nawar Ghawazi dislike Romani Ghawazi a lot. I suggest you read Edwina Nearing's work. The Nawar come From Domari people.

[@TamerAziz]

As a specialized researcher, I talk about my research on Al-Ghawazi in the Abbasid era, i.e. the sixth century AD, in addition to the references, manuscripts, and anthropological, folkloric and historical theories that I used, and you are referring to the fourteenth century AD! ...what do I say then?😍

[@TheLampDancer]

@@TamerAziz You can tell the complete history. They have a long and sorted history, but you did great for the most part. Just left out a few important details which happens at times when researching over 500 years of history. Khariyya only knows from the late 1800's on, so I have been researching it with Domari, Sinti, and Romani people a lot trying to figure out what part of India they all came from. The Nawar (Domari descendants) are helpful and know about the 1514 battle that made them flee Kurdistan. Yosef Mazin told the tale his own way and was very cute doing so. It is important to separate each Ghaziyyah group because they are all different. Just don't call Nawar and Sinti "gypsies" ever. It means thief in their dialect and Don't Call Egyptian Romani Nawar because in their dialect it means thief as well. I always call them travelers from India.

[@laylazahraeagentes7094]

do you know anything about belly dancing from the pharaonic era to the golden age?🙏🏽

[@TamerAziz]

Some of the dancers and dance trainers claim that Eastern dance originated from the ancient Egyptians due to the similarity of the costumes worn by the dancers now, in addition to the drawings of dancers found on temple and tomb walls. However, there is no evidence or confirmation of this form of performance existing in ancient Egyptian times. Most forms of dance were religious performances, except for dances performed in public celebrations that do not resemble Belly dance. The term "belly dance" appeared in the early 19th century and became popular after it was used by American society. The term "Oriental dance" is also modern, although it was created by the Jawari dancers who appeared inside the Arabian palaces during Islamic era. I refer you to watch my videos about: oriental belly dance between origin and choreography. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooOnpWiboLlpock ------------------------------------------------ Important points about Oriental Dance and Belly Dancing kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGOwpp-iebp-odU ------------------------------------------------- Oriental dance History and Culture kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3fHiZaBmteUmcU -------------------------------------------------- History of Oriental dance costumes | Part1 , Part2 , Part 3 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYvUd3lsa85lnNE --------------------------------------------------- And still more. Any way , I will be waiting for your questions and comments on these videos too.

[@laylazahraeagentes7094]

@@TamerAziz thanks for the answer. but I would like to know how all the Egyptians learned to dance, how belly dancing steps came about.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@TamerAziz]

@@laylazahraeagentes7094, In these videos below a lot of information about Belly dancing and how its steps appeared: Baladi dance - Between the names of Music tracks and the Rhythms. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGXRdnmGaappq5Y ---------------------------- Baladi dance VS Belly dancing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKLLmZKmqqqWZqc ---------------------------- Top Secrets of Baladi Dance - The history and Story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laqcpX1vrrmBkKc ----------------------------- More hidden points for BALADI DANCE can increase your challenge. kzbin.info/www/bejne/boHdhqBjbdisZtE ------------------------------- I'll be waiting for your question and comments on these videos.🥰

[@sarcodonblue2876]

Here in Australia most belly dance technique taught is modern Egyptian which as far as I can tell is a mixture of all of these with the influence of ballet in the 20th century.

[@sarcodonblue2876]

Maybe Belly dance has some roots in the raising of Kundalini energy .

[@nikolcenaumov]

Romaa🇪🇬🇮🇳love gipsy❤🇲🇰

[@TamerAziz]

Dear nikolcenaumov , I love gypsy dancing too!😍

[@Sultana1881]

Will you speak on the Gypsy-Jew?

[@TamerAziz]

Hi Sultana, I talk about the Gypsy tribes through the latest references and how they influenced the performing arts.

[@laylazahraeagentes7094]

Master Why India? Indian customs, clothing, makeup and dancing are very different even from the Gawazes we know from photos, figures😳

[@TamerAziz]

My dear Layla Zahra E Agentes, There are many sources that indicated that the origin of the Gypsy tribes is from India, and it differs from the origin of the Al-Ghawazi family, which was divided into two families, as I explained in this video and also in my research on Al-Ghawazi and the Gypsies. Therefore, both are not of the same origin.

[@LightLoveLaugh]

its not. the reason is u ppl have limited knowledge of india, India pakistan bangladesh was one country before and the desert region of india , which is rajasthan gujarat punjab have same dressing and dance forms. visit there and know the truth. all the cultures in gypsies are already there in many tribal indian communities like fortune telling, magic, dance form music etc. lookup for banjara, gurjar , kalbeliya etc. and u will know the truth

[@betoajr]

Our history was hidden for many years and we spoke the oldest language befor 8000 years there was a not Arabian people in Egypt its name from Gupta kingdom where we spread

[@TamerAziz]

Dear betoajr, I think you are influenced by Clebertr's writings and his opinions when he said that the first form of the word gypsy was Gipsyan And it is derived from Egyptian. "Clebert J. P., The Gypsies. Translated by Charles Duff. Penguin Book" I refer you to the more recent studies of Verzar and Weszeczky, which strongly support the origin of the Roma in India. Also the results of a test blood of some gypsies with an analysis of the blood of Indian soldiers tested by Hirzfelds in Salonika. "Boyd W. C., Four Achievements of the Genetical Method in physical Anthropology. American Anthropologist, Vol. 65" Notice: These are just two and there are still more references.

[@yasminaortega9131]

From my research, gipsyes from Spain come from Egypt, they look, behave, use to wear and have words egyptians, steps of dance and the most important, they have the prube of the tshue (for check the virginity of the bridal), tht only saidys use to make. After be on Egypt living 3 years and grow up with gipsyes and have gipsye blood i made too much connections. The most important point, we cant start the research base in the oficial history, its mostly fake, so imposible to start to build with such base.

[@jordanpesta]

My brother you are wrong too much only 25%of gypsies coming from India and Iran 75%coming from Israel because we are from Abraham my tribe coming from Simon my nation it's Hebrew gypsy was just town in Egypt give as Ramses

[@TamerAziz]

Hey bro, Thank you so much for this great information. In this video, I tried to provide a brief overview of the Roma "Gypsy" from new research in addition sources collected over more than 200 years such as: - G. Black Who collected more than 4,577 research on gypsies. - D. Macritichie And all his research is about gypsies - Groom J. F. H. - studies of Gullum Coker about gypsy in Philadelphia. - Cohen W. and his study about The linguistic structure of Roma. And still more sources... Therefore, write to me the sources of your information so that we can study and include them within the academic sources.

[@norah_elma]

You’re jewish, ofc you originated from Israel

[@LightLoveLaugh]

original gypsies are from india pakistan, they mixed up with other cultures , 100 percent romanis who didnt mix up are hard to find , therr are many romanis on the web, reach out to them and u will know they are gentically same to indians

[@Sultana1881]

Yes. Mine is Naphtali.

[@jordanpesta]

​@@TamerAzizcan you give me your messenger I give so much information I like to speake with you

[@robb1312]

roma gypsy are not from India !

[@TamerAziz]

Dear Rob B , Who said that Roma are from India? Unless you still combine Roma and Gypsies, as in old research!😂

[@robb1312]

@@TamerAziz When Roma Gypsies first came to Europe they were known as "Egyptians" due to their "says" or stories that claimed that they came from place Little prince of Egypt and where originally slaves of the Egyptian Pharaohs. How did Egypt become Roman? . The rich lands of Egypt became the property of Rome after the death of Cleopatra VII in 30 BCE, which spelled the end of the Ptolemaic dynasty that had ruled Egypt since the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BCE. After the murder of Gaius Julius Caesar in 44 BCE, the Roman Republic was left in turmoil. (32-30 BC) was the last civil war of the Roman Republic, fought between Mark Antony (assisted by Cleopatra and by extension Ptolemaic Egypt) and Octavian. In 32 BC, Octavian convinced the Roman Senate to declare war on the Egyptian queen Cleopatra. when Roma started to move to europe they asked them who they are and where there from , they said we are roman egyptian (roma gypsi)

[@TamerAziz]

@@robb1312 Some opinions have emerged suggesting a connection between the Gypsies and Egypt. Proponents of these opinions believe that the Gypsies, who live in various places and occupy different regions of the world, trace their origins back to Egypt. Burton says, "If there is one thing that remains constant about the Gypsies, it is the affirmation that they originally came from Egypt, the country that gave them their habitation and name, and the only country where the Gypsies have been able to preserve their physical characteristics and ancestral professions." Supporters of this view argue that the word "Gypsy" is believed to be derived from the word "Egyptian," and that "Gypsy" is derived from the word "Cohpt." However, the scholars who concluded that Egypt is the original homeland of the Gypsies based on linguistic evidence or by comparing names have not been successful, and thus their viewpoint has faced considerable criticism. Other scholars have presented many pieces of evidence to show that similarity in names does not imply an Egyptian origin. For example, "Hoten" used the same linguistic evidence to prove the opposite belief in Egyptian origin. Regarding the Gypsies' claim of being Egyptians, Jones stated that their claim to be of Egyptian lineage is not true and it is possible that they are of Aryan or Indian lineage. "Hoten" summarized these opinions by saying that the only evidence that the Gypsies originally belong to Egypt is their skin color and ancestral affiliation to the East. However, neither their physical appearance nor their language can establish a connection between them and ancient or modern Egypt.

[@robb1312]

@@TamerAziz there is no evidance becose gypsies have been under slavery by pharaons in egypt for tousends of years ! MARIA magdalena ,LAZARUS AND MARTA where( gypsies origins) jesus christ followers . After cleopatra died ,Gypsies started moving all over ,and toke first religion CHRISTIANITY . there no gypsies roma speaking in INDIA at all , there in no GYPSIEs with budha or hindu religion in the past or this days ! I am gypsy and speak the language and know the traditions

[@enis-OnePiece]

O' Devel tano Romano ❤ Roma 🔙 Amor ❤️ We are from Pakistan/Iran not India 😂 please look at our DNA we are Latin Peapol and Original Aryans from Nord Asia

[@TamerAziz]

Thank you so much, dear Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat. I understand you well. As seen in this video, I explain the history of the ancient Gypsies through documented references, most of which are recent, and we currently benefit from them in our research. This does not mean that I reject what you wrote to me because some societies have merged in one way or another with each other in the past, and a good example of this is modern studies that have proven the presence of DNA markers among ancient Egyptians. In most societies worldwide. This does not mean that all societies on earth are Egyptian, but because of this ancient mixture that occurred.