ARE WP CONE VALVES WORTH THE INSANE PRICE TAG $$$ - Motocross pro Jeff Walker Explains

[@TRGP331]

The way you guys are describing the cone valves is exactly how I feel about the first time I got my stock suspension set up for my weight/ability (I am a hefty boy). My bike finally reacted to terrain and obstacles exactly as I expected it should, and it made me exponentially more confident, significantly more safe, and faster enough to move up a race class. I always tell people to fat suspension work done before doing any engine performance mods. The best suspension work you can afford will always make you faster than engine work will.

[@motoxguy7]

So much truth in this video! Of course budget and priorities control a lot of our purchasing decisions but the excuse of “I’m not a pro, so the better equipment doesn’t matter” WILL eventually injure you in MX. I used that excuse in racing, golf and even softball. I raced for 5 years at 215 lbs on STOCK suspension (not even springs). I always thought “I will just learn how to ride the bike however it is set up”, that “I will just adapt to the bike”. It finally took me seeing a still photograph of myself over jumping a double, flat landing with both tires buried into the fenders, case/pegs/boots on the ground; which resulted in a broken ankle, broken wrist, complete rupture of my Achilles’ tendon, and a snapped upper shock bolt. After this incident I changed my mentality, not only on my bike equipment, but with my golf clubs and softball bat. INSTANT improvement in all of my sports!

[@realmmfc]

Gypsy finally get the recognition this podcast deserves! Favorite moto podcast!

[@fpvflightairborne2168]

I cannot wait for this podcast to rip through other podcast platforms. Go j walk!!!!!

[@GYPSYTALES]

What do you mean by other platforms legend?

[@overruncunttube]

Please put the entire podcast on KZbin. Spotify is beyond shit

[@therawlifefamily]

his description of the stock air fork vs the conevalve is spot on. When you need the air fork to be stiff, it's soft, and when you want it to be soft, it's stiff. Flat landings suck so bad on the air forks.

[@vaenii5056]

Who would've thought air forks blow.

[@Lush1979a]

Suspension should be the first upgrade, especially if you need to respring it. If your in northeast Missouri, southeast Iowa, or western Illinois. Look up EB Suspension in Burlington Iowa. Eric Brown is a awesome guy and treats you good. Helps with setup, best customer service I’ve seen.

[@dustin9035]

Best 10 minute commercial ever!

[@dsm02c]

I bought cones and trax, this video helped me justify it to my wallet.

[@justinpotter4821]

It’s just a matter of time till this channel blows up favorite thing to listen too

[@Marzbikerider]

Already listed to the full thing on spotify just leaving a like on the video because I'm addicted to all the podcasts

[@GYPSYTALES]

Thanks for the support legend

[@katiposcotty]

Sounds like you're trying to justify the forks to ya girlfriend. Just friggin get em.

[@kylejonesUB]

Wives everywhere should listen to this!

[@supersubes]

I didnt understand Jase’s characterization of the cone valves. Did he say bumps felt worse than he expected them to be? I did a set of the Xplor Pro forks on my 300. They have to be set up for you, like any other suspension. I was shocked how good mine were on small bumps, chop, and rock gardens(i ride off road only). I would see a bump, anticipate what it should feel like in my mind, then running over it would would be much smoother than I had anticipated.

[@kirkdunn1379]

"Best you know is the best you've ridden".....that statement i heard long time ago and is so true and relevant....suspension and brakes is where money should be spent for avg joe

[@bradenqw3765]

Fax

[@timmythompson2186]

That and a gym membership to lose 10-20 lbs instead of 1000s of dollars to shave a few lbs off of the bike

[@anthonyboulus9042]

Been loving the content jas and team ..

[@GYPSYTALES]

Thanks a lot man, we been working super hard to bring everyone cool stuff!

[@danialdunson]

Picked up a bike with cones and track shock from a guy that shattered his femur. The a kit allowed him to send it harder into the dirt. No doubt.

[@danialdunson]

But I cannot wait to ride it!!!!! He’ll be back once his leg heals!!!

[@GYPSYTALES]

Heavy

[@jaymcintyre9362]

Hey man, I know you're GC based and if youre looking for some good suspension from a local dude, HFR (holeshot factory racing) based in pacific pines is a legend. i run his suspesion as a weekend warrior on two on my bikes and its all about safety, they have genuinely saved my life thus far

[@SreidMX]

I think the key takeaway here should be that suspension is not a one size fits all proposition, setup for you is priority. A kits not including the cone valve are usually more rigid, have special anti friction coatings and higher flow pistons than the oem stuff. But both setup the same the A kit stuff would have a plusher feel and likely have more bottoming resistance. Just food for thought. Stock stuff can be made to work 90% as well much cheaper than the AKit..

[@MichiganManiak]

Cone valve forks are only like $3400 with Jeff's discount. I get the same being a dealer. Not really crazy expensive. The shocks on my race car cost $15,000.

[@joethomas9634]

You guys nailed it by saying it's about safety. They really do save you on a few of those mistakes or pucker ups that come along with racing when pushing it. It's crazy that cone valves are so expensive since there are less parts and easier to manufacture but that being said the cone valves and the KYB conversion kits are by far the best options to run. I have owned both sets and never bought new just always scored a used set that's half the price but I always end up spending money on having them set up for me.

[@Quadz10]

Would you say KYB spring conversion or Cone valve is a better choice?

[@joethomas9634]

@@Quadz10 That's a tuff one because I sold my KYB converted forks and wish I would have kept them. I had my KYB's set up for off road and my cone valve set up for track. What these guys are talking about that works so well with the cone valve forks is not only the get ability to fine tune them into the track and riding conditions but they also have a preload spring adjustment on both legs that allow you to adjust the forks so they sit up higher in the stroke so they don't dive on you when braking or allow you to let them settle in more when needed. Plus when valve to your riding you can feel a way better response when over shooting landings or hitting big G outs. Definitely confidence inspiring. Both sets are really good so I would just try and find some on Vital Mx forums to find a good deal.

[@Quadz10]

@@joethomas9634 thanks for taking the time to reply Joe! I agree that the most investment should be in the Suspension... just trying to wrap my head around if it's worth the $2000 or more haha.

[@bwhaskell]

Stock suspension isn't valved for A riders and Pro riders. That's why it feels so soft. Valving is the key to how suspension feels. Even WP Cone Valves can feel like crap if they are not set up properly for your type of riding and skill level. There's a huge misconception that buying A-kit instantly gives you awesome suspension, and that's simply not true. Perfectly valved stock components can feel better than improperly valved A-Kit. My RaceTech revalved AER48 fork and stock WP shock feel better than WP ConeValves i tried that weren't quite set up for me.

[@S0RELOSER]

Excellent points.

[@Ahaggah]

Absolutely true

[@Olsson229]

But, when u buy a conevalve u going to set it up with revalve and springs etc etc. Just like what ever fork or suspension u have

[@mlakarx2931]

Love your videos keep up the good work and keep this channel growing 🤙🤙

[@GYPSYTALES]

Thanks mate. Appreciate the support

[@goinhot9133]

I raced minis on stock suspension, as a adult I got some proper suspension and had it set up. The difference was worth 2x the cost

[@sciencemilitia1853]

I honestly question wheather or not Cone valve is even as good as KYB 2006 stuff. I certainlydo not think WP shocks are even close. It blows my mind that people pay top dollar for it. I have to assume they havent ridden even stock KYB SSS shock/fork. WP is unpredictable as shit.

[@GYPSYTALES]

I bought a set of 09 SSS for my YZ250 build and I can't wait to give it the full treatment

[@caydenthompson126]

Cone valves are better than any stock Kayaba SSS component.

[@XecuTionNxx]

From a die hard Yamaha guy who went ktm. The kyb stuff doesn't even touch anything cone valve. Rear shocks have been on part since 18. And even the aer 48 forks 18+ setup properly are just as good as 06+ kyb now. That was the main reason to ride a blue bike now they truly are a dinosaur

[@Bryan-Hensley]

@@XecuTionNxx I disagree. Wp coatings suck is the primary issue. It causes them to have a lot more friction than KYB or showa.

[@sciencemilitia1853]

@@GYPSYTALES Sick! Pay attention in the super gnarly situations with those forks. Thats where they kick ass really hard!

[@cvdavis]

Get the cone valves and save your life. How can the partner argue with that? What, am I not worth it????

[@RC99mx]

Cone valences are actually pretty affordable for A-kit suspension compared to Showa and KYB

[@pauldavis509]

What springs are you running

[@brendanbutkus2392]

jeffs about to get a job in marketing at racetech

[@joshshiflet113]

will you post the full podcast here on your channel?

[@ricksmith7659]

Good suspension can definitely keep you from taking an ambulance ride

[@justincoats7236]

May be cheaper in the long run. Ha, ha

[@thatfast3002]

Truth

[@pauldavis509]

Or a helicopter ride that’s the big ticket one

[@jeffhicks1008]

First off you got to buy an over priced KTM them spend thousands more on suspension to do what a stock Yamaha SSS KYB suspension can do , that's why the YZ is the best selling dirt bike on the planet Period!

[@Hermelin.G1]

Well he wants to win, not be the guy with yam all the way in the back ;-)

[@Rotella.53]

What about a spring conversion kit compared to the cone valves? I’m currently running the spring conversion kit and have no complaints just wondering if the cone valve is worth the 2k more or not.

[@GYPSYTALES]

I haven't tested it personally, BUT I do hear good things. Might have to get a set to try.

[@stratten455]

What spring conversion do you have? I’ve heard tons of good things about kyb and mx tech

[@truckingfun5033]

@@stratten455 KYB is wear its at

[@Rotella.53]

@@stratten455 I’ve been on MX Tech Spring conversion kit for a little over a month now and I absolutely love it no complaints. The suspension feels 10x better and the price was unbeatable. I’d highly recommended them but on the other hand you are asking about KYB and they are one of the leading suspensions companies right now I have heard great things about there kits and was going to put one in my bike but the price was outrageous I could have bought a set of cone valves for equivalent or a little more. I’d suggest Mx tech for there price, service and quality product.

[@Rotella.53]

@@truckingfun5033 KYB is a ridiculous price. highly disagree that’s where it’s at. Don’t get me wrong it’s a great set up but. You’re paying 2.5k for a internal set up only when you could buy a set of cone valve complete forks for 3k? 🤨

[@shannonscott5788]

I'm poor so I would never know the feeling of cone valves. #im broke but loves to ride

[@GYPSYTALES]

Would you buy A-KIT suspension???

[@nothaber8130]

Yes if i had the dough

[@Marcelo-cc3dj]

I’ve ridden an ktm 150 w wp cone valves and i couldn’t feel that much of a difference,it depends a lot on the track and on the rider skilss

[@GYPSYTALES]

Same lol

[@Drew833Brady]

I just recently had an injury due to stock suspension being way too soft, I’m a 200lb dude on a husky 450. Any recommendation on if the cone valves are a good move or spring conversion

[@ballou1777]

You guys are going to make a lot of people go out and buy some WP Cone Valve suspension

[@shawnhorne9296]

The biggest thing is that u can concentrate on racing and ot on picking perfect lines

[@Xeil]

When I took the stock forks and shock for my current bike which is a 98 cr250 in to be revalved, it transformed it entirely. Always telling people to get their suspension done and stop wasting money elsewhere.

[@GYPSYTALES]

Yeah it's mandatory!

[@Bryan-Hensley]

Maybe. Your huge change could have been from a worn suspension renewed. I valve my own suspension anymore

[@Xeil]

@@Bryan-Hensley The suspension was worn, but I also have an 06 rmz450 with suspension revalved by RG3. Both are revalved for offroad and the CR 250 was tuned by EVO Idaho that mainly deals more in offroad/enduro tuning. The suspension is leaps and bounds better than a stock setup on both bikes.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

@@Xeil It all depends on what it's set up for originally. I've had some suspensions done and they were worse riding than factory or the previous set-up. I started taking apart suspensions and checking out what they changed. After a while I caught on. I now use Race tech parts and revalve my own. I've tried RG3 a few years ago. I just recently tried a very popular suspension tuner and liked my own valving better. I took all his stuff out and put my setup back in. I've noticed on really knarly hills in a race I can now close in on anyone suspension setup. But I haven't found the perfect setup for my forks yet. Suspension is very user specific. Suspension tuners is more like a one fix all set up. Unless you have your own full time suspension tuner you'll never have it absolutely perfect for you unless you learn to do it yourself.

[@Xeil]

@@Bryan-Hensley Suspension work isn't something I have any interest or extra time to do when things are full swing on my side. The guys at EVO have decades of research and do a great job. I don't expect a factory setup and getting things extremely close is all I need.

[@devenrusso272]

Dope content💪💪

[@GYPSYTALES]

You been here since the beginning! Thanks man

[@S0RELOSER]

Standard Cone Valve vs AER Cone Valve?

[@yukonjon5964]

old school dampening cones that displaced oil in a progressive manor to reduce bottoming (hydraulic cylinders on heavy equipment have the same thing)... are not cone valves. cone valves replace a part of the shim pack valving. they offer actual valving control and are speed sensitive, but have the ability to shut down most of the oil flow instantly and thus greatly reduce fork bottoming.

[@S0RELOSER]

@@yukonjon5964 that doesnt answer my question.

[@yukonjon5964]

@@S0RELOSER i see. you meant cone valve spring forks, vs cone valve AER forks. first we must decide between air forks (AER) and spring forks. average opinions are close to 50/50, with too many variables in riding conditions to give a clear answer. hard-enduro guys are less likely to go with AER. but now that we are adding cone valves to the topic, one needs to ask if cone valves are really the way to go considering the cost to set them up properly and keep them in top shape. here is a quote from a Vital-MX forum... "The fork requires service every 10 hours by a qualified tech or else they don't work very well. It cost about $200 to $600 to service them properly." one reason we see used forks for sale is that cone valves wear out relatively quickly. so its not just the purchase and set up cost, its the maintenance cost. yet if money were no issue most of us agree we would rather have cone valves. now for the tricky part. it so happens that cone valves fix many of the complaints we have with AER. mid-stroke action become much more versatile, thus the AER becomes nearly flawless in any condition (when set up for you properly by an expert tuner). so if you liked AER you will love the feel of cone valves. if you hated AER there is a good chance cone valve AER will win you over. but than, so will a cone-valved spring fork. cone valves fix the issue of initial plushness causing mid-stroke harshness, while still holding up when you need them to. either way, until riding style and terrain application are factored in, there is no sure answer for everyone, even if money were no object. lastly lets just be clear that only WP makes cone valves. so unless your on a Euro bike, the original question only applies if you want to put WP forks on a Japanese brand bike.

[@S0RELOSER]

@@yukonjon5964 niceky done. Thankyou.

[@RWPG]

I’m confused...I looked on Factory Connection and for WP Cone Valves it’s only $50.00 more?

[@XecuTionNxx]

I paid about 4500 for my wp cone valve forks definitely not cheap. Last time I checked the forks and shock range 3500-4500

[@RWPG]

I looked again and it’s saying that they charge $50.00 more to rebuild an existing WP Cone Valve

[@Bryan-Hensley]

That's $50 more charge to work on them

[@justincoats7236]

What is the price for cone-valve, A1, suspension?

[@cvdavis]

In Canada the bike shop said $5200 for the fork and $5000 for the shock. It was the shock price that blew my mind. Ouch.

[@justincoats7236]

@@cvdavis I would expect that for the fork but not the shock. Thanks for the information.

[@NickW90]

@@cvdavis what shop was that?

[@cvdavis]

@@NickW90 It was in Blackfoot Direct's shop in Calgary, Alberta Canada. I can't say it was the cone-valve suspension but it appeared to be KTM factory something and just over $10,000 for the fork and shock.

[@garrett3234]

@@cvdavis the shock is 2500 bro😂

[@ericenglund2541]

Its not like the money is gone, they are good value for second hand selling.

[@wernerxldata]

The cone valve and trax shock saved my ass so many times 🤣 I'm not a great rider, so I need better stuff than the pro's to keep me safe when still trying to ride faster.

[@Jorgem1010]

I love your content man

[@GYPSYTALES]

Appreciate you watching!

[@chrisgall4664]

You can't compare the stock AER forks to cone valves and come up with, A kit is the way to go. They are 2 different forks, spring vs air. valved vs not valved. The stock stuff these day's isn't far off A kit, mainly coatings. It's all in the setup (dampening, springs etc). KYB and Showa are even more close (A kit to stock).

[@Peanutdenver]

Absolutely...Set up is your best friend when racing whether you're running A-Kit or the factory fork and shock. If you don't have a mechanic, like most of us, learn how to do it yourself. Know your high speed from your low speed compression, setting sag, etc. You can transform a stock bike with this knowledge.

[@SKIDSnSTUFF]

Honda had a real air fork. KTMs half assed dumbed down cheap iteration is not a real air fork.

[@motozz8258]

Here we go owned Promo time , Compared to production WP have to be worth excessive amounts . Still calling a Red one promo soon maybe 3 more posts.

[@robh3267]

The WP air forks can be modified to be much better and can even be converted to spring forks but the cone valve forks are hard to beat as long as cost is not an issue because they don't come cheap.

[@GYPSYTALES]

Yeah I mean that's my thoughts on Conve Valves. If you can, do it. But like I always say, if you can't buy 2, don't buy 1...

[@Carbonx007]

Wait he had to buy his on valve? He's not on a team or sponsored

[@artsteale3443]

I have a set of Lucky cartridge forks by MX tech that are really good, I don't know how they stack up to the cone valves though. Quite a bit less expensive.

[@supersubes]

I did a set of these too but just couldn’t get comfy with them. After sending them back to have adjustments made, and not feeling any change, I broke down an got the cone valves. Happy I did. Way too expensive for sure, but they’re dang nice.

[@dougiefresh9676]

forks being soft and then stiffening on hard impacts is too much hs compression, yall dont know suspension

[@jonathanwright6275]

Had a cones and I wouldn't go back too them once I rode a full set of ohlins fork and shock way better and so so much more like butter compared to cones , there good don't gete wrong but if your not pushing all the time there no good , ohlins all the way

[@mvg-1776]

And so like I can't like Finnish watching this video like wow.

[@The_Professor814]

A bum wiggle scrub never heard somebody say that before haha gonna have to start using that!

[@GYPSYTALES]

HA thats all I got in the scrub department

[@The_Professor814]

@@GYPSYTALES hey it's still better than mine lol

[@xtracrispyfilms4055]

Gypsy Tales you have a great murder mystery voice if the moto stuff doesn't work out