Gyrocopter training 1 part 1

My first outing of both my Go Pro Hero 3, and Gyrocopter flying training in a Magni M16. Flying at Chiltern Air Park. Startup checks, Taxi, Take-off, and flight to training area.
10:26 start pre-rotate
Instructor: Andy Jones, Gyrocopter experience Oxford
Aircraft: G-JWNW Magni M16

[@nfortescue]

To anyone thinking this is boring - you are right! This is called training 1 part 1, because it is the first video I ever made, of my first ever gyrocopter lesson. It's not meant to train other people. I learnt from this video I needed a cable so the radio could be recorded, and I got more aggressive on editing. If you look at newer videos on my channel you'll find some more interesting ones . I quite like the one of "S-turn into the numbers" and the video of my first solo flight. Happy flying! If you want to see the actual flying it starts at 13:03.

[@JohnSmith-tw4cg]

Thanks Nick .....very nice video....reminds me of the stress of a new flight in a different aircraft....I have always wanted to fly a gyrocopter...you got me there with this video....I liked the run up....before take off...very real...only pilots would get the stress.Thanks for the vid

[@codyrinehart4678]

Nick you are a pioneer. thank you so much for the video feed

[@altar7885]

The vibrations in the hand seem super strong. Isn't the hand completely numb after a while?

[@donembrey3956]

I was hoping it would be a training vid. The training I am accustomed to has always involved some form of communication between the IP and the student. Unfortunately I was unable to learn anything other than the fact that it flys with someone onboard.😅

[@phayzyre1052]

Question: Several years ago I wanted to purchase a gyrocopter similar to this one and I almost did but what stopped me from buying it was I heard that gyrocopters can go into an uncontrolled pilot induced porpoising oscillation and they will not come out of it or so I was told. Your opinion on this?

[@nfortescue]

I'm only a trainee pilot, so someone more experienced might want to talk more. This web page is pretty god: www.gyrocopterschool.com/gyrocopter-autogyro-gyroplane/how-to-fly-gyros. There are two big dangers in Gyrocopters - Pilot induced oscillation (PIO) and Power Push Over (PPO). Two things make modern gyrocopters much safer than previous generation ones. The first is that the modern factory built ones like the Magni and Rotorsport gyros have better design to avoid this, bigger tailplanes for stabllity and better engine positioning. The second is that with tandem gyros pilots have more instructor training where you are taught to avoid both. So if you build then jump into a homebuilt it is still dangerous. But if you get proper instruction you can judge the safety for yourself. I'd say they are safer than light aircraft, which also have dangers (stall and spin), but no form of aviation is completely safe.

[@phayzyre1052]

Nick Fortescue Thanks Nick, that's good info! I'll be sure to check that website out also. When I do buy one I definitely would like an instructor to guide me at first. I've built and flown several experimental aircraft before but gyros are new to me. I know all to well that it's very unwise to build and then immediately jump in and fly an aircraft with little or no training; all to often I've seen people crash and get injured or much worse!

[@spannaspinna]

Feed on the fat and go around

[@MASSEUR1956]

Ok...now i saw the discription...1. flight...good..go on...:-) greatings .. MTOsport, D-MYRZ from EDGM Germany

[@mohammadzhafrannabil7899]

Why the rotor is rotating while youre not moving? Is it connected to the engine? If its not connected to engine why the rotor is rotating while youre not moving? Thanks

[@رابحعزيل-ص5ظ]

رحلة شييقة لكنها تحبس الأنفاس...!!

[@Rand89700]

What da fudge.... I thought these were supposed to be short take off vehicles? I shot down the runway about as long as the Piper 140 I trained in before it rotated?

[@shah7914]

Wow just like fighter pilot.nice suit

[@jjman533]

Does the thing shake that bad or is it Michael J. Fox flying?

[@michaelhesterberg702]

Hey JMAN, I know you were trying real hard to be funny, but with that slam against Michael J. Fox and a disease he can't help, you only proved what an inconsiderate DICK you are!!

[@GilbertoFreitasMendes]

Hi Nick! Very nice instruction video. Did rotate with 60kts? Very nice clear image from your Go Pro Hero 3! Nice flight. Thanks for sharing with us. Gilberto Mendes - - -

[@nfortescue]

Thanks Gilberto Freitas! You don't rotate exactly. The Gyro naturally goes into a wheel balance (wheely) without rotation, you have to put the stick forward to keep it there. It then lifts off on it's own accord. Again, this isn't at a particular airspeed, it's at a rotor speed. When the gyro lifts off, you put the nose down and fly level and low until you get 70kts airspeed before going into a climb

[@johnstewart8849]

Spin up for take-off into the wind is about 10:45

[@owenbrooking7088]

Sorry, It didn't send all the question. Where is your altimeter on this gyro?

[@lockedin60]

The GoPro probably has an omni-directional microphone element. Thus it picks up all or any sound around it. If there is a microphone input jack then if you used a directional microphone then it would pick up your vocals better. Sometimes background noises are annoying to people. I for one have a hearing loss. I only hear out of my right ear. The only way I could hear you speak at all is with an earphone. But your speech is being overpowered by the engine noise thus a directional microphone would eliminate some of that engine noise and then we could hear your comments better. 29+ years in retail electronic sales.

[@nfortescue]

James Russell , yes, see some of my newer videos (this was my first one). the intercom is wired into the recording with the right cable in them. I'm a sound engineer wearing another hat, so pretty familiar with mics.

[@lockedin60]

okay was not trying to be a pita. just some people don't know so they sound off without giving or explaining what there problems are. That is good. That should help in the long run.

[@Rand89700]

What?

[@gregb7595]

Wouldnt 1st on list be inspection of aircraft? ...followed by fuel testing? Control checks?

[@lawrencewillard6370]

You should go 'back to an earlier time, where you started spinning the rotor by hand, then using whatever wind around to increase revs.. Then taxiing, etc, till nose lifts, push stick forward and accelerate . Very shortly you have lift off. This teaches how the gyro works.

[@randolphpalma3962]

seemed like a really long pre-rotation period. Maybe that's just a Magni thing ?

[@nfortescue]

Possibly, or maybe me just being ultra-cautious - I'm very much a student, and this is one of my first flights. You are right though, I think I am normally quicker than this now.

[@vanleeaz29445]

Nick Fortescue Take your time in preflight...you're the one piloting and you're the one who has to face the consequences if a mishap occurs

[@vanleeaz29445]

Nick Fortescue Take your time in preflight...you're the one piloting and you're the one who has to face the consequences if a mishap occurs

[@beagle5]

Is there and average hours time to get a License?

[@MrDavidJMa]

Yeah very instructive with no sound apart from odd crackles.

[@tomthompson7400]

ive never seen a better advert for lock wire.

[@nfortescue]

Hi +tom thompson, I assume you are trying to make a helpful point in a humourous manner, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[@tomthompson7400]

it looks like its trying to shake its self back into the parts box ,,, but a great video ill bet it was exciting

[@nfortescue]

+tom thompson Ah I see. The camera is actually mounted on a chest harness, on me, so any shaking from that is actually me shaking. And if you are talking about the control column, then yes, that is physically connected to the gyrocopter rotor, an 8.5M piece of metal and composite spinning at over 300RPM. So unsurprisingly it does shake a bit, and there are an awful lot of lock wires on the connecting nuts and connections!

[@tomthompson7400]

lol ,, first class are you a pilot now , i used to fly gliders .

[@nfortescue]

Yes, passed my test in January, and got the paperwork back from the CAA last month. Got some nice hours in this weekend, I need to take some more videos.

[@jean-pierrelepenvonburmado7461]

Vädigt vad det smäller omkring dej, varför?

[@aryantruth1807]

Looks like you are wearing a body bag suit. Very considerate to those tasked with dragging it out. After flying an unbalanced clothes washer on spin cycle until your arm goes numb. The thrill is gone.

[@GhostOHMM]

Nick, any chance you will make another video? If so it would be helpful for many to hear the actual pre-flight check list being run through, plus directions from the instructor. Still, great video and great flight. Well done!

[@nfortescue]

I've done quite a lot of other videos, have a look at my channel. Almost everything on it is my Gyro videos. I'm not sure if any of them have the initial start checklist on though, I'll have a look. If not, I'm sure I've got the recordings somewhere and I'll upload one later.

[@GhostOHMM]

Nick Fortescue Thanks for the reply. Yes, I did view part 2 & 3 though they were a continuation focused on flying. Thanks also for considering a pre-flight video. Fly safe and have fun!

[@JasonEllisBuilds]

Is the hand held squeeze lever on the stick the brakes? And the clutch to spin up the rotor on your right hand?

[@nfortescue]

+Jason Ellis the squeeze lever on the stick is the pre-rotator, that connects the engine to the rotor to start it rotating. It isn't used in flight. The brakes and throttle are both operated with the left hand.

[@JasonEllisBuilds]

+Nick Fortescue Ah okay.. Do you still fly? And what is the top speed/range of that thing?

[@nfortescue]

Jason Ellis Yes, I still fly. I should post some newer videos. I still haven't got my license, I've got the flying test coming up. VNE (speed to not exceed) is 100mph (but I think 110 in italy for the same aircraft): www.magnigyro.co.uk/index.php/m16. Cruising at 90 is pretty common. It's got 69 liters of usable fuel, and uses about 17l per hour, but realistically you probably wouldn't want to fly for much more than 3hrs without landing, so realistic range is probably about 300miles. It obviously depends a lot on the wind and weather conditions

[@JasonEllisBuilds]

+Nick Fortescue You should post newer videos for sure! They are a lot of fun to watch. I'm in the process of getting my fixed wing ppl now so watching other flying machines and pilots is fun.

[@terryrowles7751]

would of been nice to have some audible commentary !

[@MASSEUR1956]

Sorry..what happens here??

[@jfive258]

What's the maximum flight time?

[@lvgeorge]

No built-in Autopilot?

[@olensoifer9901]

How is this a gyrocopter if the rotor is powered? I thought the whole definition of a gyrocopter is that the rotor is unpowered?

[@nfortescue]

Olen Soifer Good question! In flight, the engine is disconnected from the rotor. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be a gyrocopter, and it would also be really dangerous in the event of engine failure. But gyrocopter pilots got fed up of starting the rotor spinning by hand - we are lazy! So something was invented called a "pre-rotator". It starts the rotor spinning on the ground (not enough to fly though). You then release it and take off as normal. www.gyroplanepassion.com/Prerotator.html

[@feversol]

Any reason why I hear no audio / explanation to go with all that finger pointing...?

[@nfortescue]

This was my first lesson, and I didn't have the right cable to connect the intercom to my go pro. I've got it now, so my more recent videos have audio.

[@feversol]

+Nick Fortescue Thank you. I'm not a pilot but have enjoyed watching many of these videos over the past several days. I was just curious what you folks have to think of and watch for while flying. My Dad was a Navy pilot and I was an air traffic controller and these videos have always been interesting to watch.

[@richardbiggs6797]

I always like to learn how to fly a grocoper

[@lyianx]

10:30 I thought the rotors were not powered?

[@williamclay190]

They are powered on take-off only. It helps to shorten take-off distance. After that the rotor disconnects from the engine

[@davidbrown3749]

What was the point of this video?

[@sarah-nm6dt]

Jump to 11:45 for pre rotation

[@ToyManFlyer1100]

Dang, Nick... You gota monster grip on that stick... Relax... Buddy.....

[@annabiotic1078]

That's so cool. How high can gyrocopters go?

[@nfortescue]

Anna O. My M16 can go up to 10,500 feet www.magnigyro.co.uk/index.php/m16 But flying low is more fun.

[@VideoHawkeye]

Gyro copter or plane ?

[@nfortescue]

It's a gyrocopter

[@owenbrooking7088]

Is it a Magni M16?

[@nfortescue]

Yep, A Magni M16.

[@nickcrownshaw]

was it my imagination or were you still spinning up the rotors with the stick back, if so not a very safe technique.

[@nfortescue]

Correct pre-rotate sequence in the Magni is to prerotate to at least 130 rpm with stick fully back. At this point you have enough blade lift to be safe, and bring the stick fully forward for the final prerotate before takeoff. This will vary for other types.

[@nickcrownshaw]

I've got a mt-03 and wouldn't use that technique, but if it's safe for a magni then fair enough, I still think in gusty conditions it's risky

[@nfortescue]

Nick Crownshaw OK. I think we can both agree that KZbin comments aren't the best place to make safe flying decisions. I'll stick with what my instructor says, but mention your comment to him. He's type qualified on Magni and mto3. Obviously you should make your own decision after you do a type conversion.

[@nfortescue]

Thanks again for you comment Nick. Reading it made me do a bit more reading around pre-rotator systems, and I found this article which has some interesting technical details around the Magni one: www.magnigyro.com/features/THE%20%20MAGNI%20%20DIFFERENCE.pdf The pre-rotator bit starts on page 8, if you are interested.

[@nickcrownshaw]

Interesting reading about the difference

[@robinbowmaker]

JUst started looking into gyrocopters. I'm confused. I thought wind speed caused the rotors to rotate. But on your video they are turning before your vehicle begins moving. Is this a different design I'm seeing?

[@nfortescue]

Most modern gyrocopters have a pre-rotator. This briefly connects the engine to the rotor to start it spinning. You then disconnect it before take off, and while in flight it is just the air going through it that spins the rotor.

[@perrysims3320]

Usually a PTO.

[@owenbrooking7088]

Altimeter?

[@nfortescue]

Sorry, I don't understand the question?

[@mustafaabbas252]

Air wonderful I have a question how much the price plane

[@nfortescue]

it's a magni m-16 www.magnigyro.com/models/m16.html Price depends on country and specification, but you can see EU prices here: www.magnigyro.co.uk/index.php/component/config/abd/gyro/config/m16

[@gabrielfranz5801]

+Nick Fortescue how fast are these things? and which License do you need do fly it?

[@nfortescue]

Maximum safe speed is 100mph (160kph), so usually cruise at 90mph. In the UK you need a PPL(G), not sure about other countries.

[@gabrielfranz5801]

Nick Fortescue Thank you man! ;)

[@risenworship6424]

The suspense is really killing me

[@propertyservices1]

why do go pros have the shittiest sound quality ever ...? all the rattling makes me hate them.. how do they hav such good picture but such crappy sound...?

[@nfortescue]

+propertyservices1 I'm curious, what is it about the sound you don't like? Some people might argue the rattling is a good sign of the mic picking up all the sound in the environment. Do you wish there was more noise cancelling? Are there particular sounds you don't like hearing? What mics do you think work better?

[@MrChaes]

Try something to clip the extreme highs. This was a problem with moving pictures in the beginning. Crinkling paper did it so bad that they wet the paper. Look at an old Marx bros film. It may be where the mic is mounted is near a noise source.

[@MrChaes]

Look into a dynamic mic. I think they are better. Nice video, BTW.

[@michaelmiklosofficial]

Great

[@CCitis]

WOW that is a long take off run....

[@Shrimpbert69]

+jeremypenuta yea wayyy long

[@seikibrian8641]

Not all gyroplanes are Gyrocopters. "Gyrocopter" is a registered trade name for the gyroplane designs of Igor Bensen and should not be used for other brands.

[@nfortescue]

Actually, not true anymore. The trademark is expired: www.trademarkia.com/gyrocopter-73244934.html. And Gyrocopter is commonly used as a name for all Autogyros/Gyroplanes in the UK. Eg: gyrocopterexperience.com/ run by Phil Harwood, one of the driving forces behind making Gyros popular in the UK, and they commonly train on Magnis and Autogyro. Might be true in the US, but English is a dynamic language. See gyrocopterexperience.com/faqs/107-whats-the-difference-between-a-gyroplane-an-autogyro-and-a-gyrocopter.

[@seikibrian8641]

It's "common" to call all facial tissues "Kleenex" and all adhesive bandages "Band-aids." That doesn't make it correct.

[@nfortescue]

I'd let this go (who argues about this stuff on youtube) but I'm a bit of a language geek. I'm curious what would make it correct in your view? Maybe a usage in print from 1915, before Igor Bensen was born (yes, this exists)? Or maybe a definition in the Oxford English dictionary (yes this exists)? Maybe court recognition that some trademarks have become generic, and so trademarks become the correct word for something, because English is a dynamic language: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks . I think for almost any definition of "correct" you come up with I could show this was correct usage of "gyrocopter", especially for UK English.

[@seikibrian8641]

"I'm curious what would make it correct in your view?" Nothing would make it correct. "Gyroplane," "autogyro," "autogiro," etc. are perfectly good words, and calling them all "gyrocopters" is intellectual laziness.

[@ocd2222]

video starts at 12:30

[@GhostOHMM]

rim, a pre-flight in any kind of aircraft, especially one with which the PIC is not familiar is critical for a safe flight. Your comment shows you have never flown or you would not have made such a foolish remark.

[@ocd2222]

Mike Travis Of course I never flought one, I just commented for those who just wants to see the thing fly... ?

[@chrisdeavers5580]

No audio what so ever cannot hear anything u r saying

[@NerdSteve]

Cool

[@firemanjim9426]

Half the film of boardom if this it flying i think Air nz may be quicker and you don't need the gloves

[@brianwilgus528]

There is no dialogue. How is that training".

[@nfortescue]

+Brian Wilgus Sorry if it was misleading. It was training for me (my first lesson) not training for the internet. This was my first video. I bought the right cable later, and quite a few of my more recent videos have dialogue. But if you are looking for real gyrocopter training, I'd recommend a real instructor. These are just revision reminders for me and other pilots.

[@69adrummer]

Watched for my standard 2 minutes, nothing was happening, blah blah blah nice clouds!

[@dfriedeljr]

It would be nice to get rid of clicking noises and have some actual instruction. Title says training, not demo ride.

[@Shurgazy2]

Классно!!!

[@glauberlaurimdo7519]

voce poderia editar melhor este vídeo cortando e dinamisando o tempo!

[@GhostOHMM]

Glauber, yo pienso que el piloto es un estudiante quien no tiene la experiencia a volar el avión, ni operar la camera professionalmente. Tal vez, la proxima video tendra la mejor voce. Me explico?

[@keepsecret7624]

Hardly a word of explanation...

[@roycspary8923]

good quality video but meaningless without explanation could have been great. every time we see something happen we need you to explain it. that way we learn and appreciate what you are doing please add narration, bet that would make the dislikes go away, cos everything else is great

[@darrensculuca3956]

your mirophone is way to secitive..yes it is in a certian way..yes.

[@joabpetersen7699]

amateur no microphone can't hear what you say .... sorry

[@lylesfredidog1507]

Rotor way out of balance...

[@WOODR52]

SOUNDS LIKE YOUR'E POPPING CORN.

[@ianmac2963]

not a training vid

[@Лёва-н6з]

пердец как его колбасит!!!

[@Andy-qo6rq]

What a wage sorry I could here a one sided conversation. Thought it was a training video ie instructor then student talking

[@powderslinger5968]

Long boring video of nothing at all. Action starts at 10:30 into this 17 minute video. WTH?

[@jameslast3856]

I agree, boring as hell

[@eustaquiomiranda2394]

The first lesson in this case may have been straight flight, no turns. First you need to learn where the horizon line should be when at cruising speed and some other details. I have flown gliders and these are some basics from the first flight.

[@gschultz2010]

whoever posted this..... why didn't you at least do a voice over...... very bad youtube'er

[@tk2012A]

Its always better to learn how to use the equipment before posting . Just saying.....

[@uredskivid]

WASTE of time

[@robertfraser6812]

Rather boring too slow

[@owenbrooking7088]

Sorry, It didn't send all the question. Where is your altimeter on this gyro?

[@nfortescue]

Lowest dial on right hand side. Watch it shoot up at 13:04 during take off. It isn't reading zero on the ground, as airfield is at 280ft above sea level, so we pre-adjust to 280 before takeoff.