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[@ladyyyhokage]

"our kids have been displaying long patterns of selfishness" NO your kids are displaying patterns of living in survival mode because they know the person meant to keep them safe is the person that is harming them.

[@cherrybomber69]

She was talking about a literal toddler as well

[@ladyyyhokage]

@@cherrybomber69 yeah it’s fucking pure insanity.

[@MeGustaWHAT]

That hits me in the worst way, friend.

[@ladyyyhokage]

@@MeGustaWHAT peace and love to you friendo, i'm so sorry you can relate.

[@beyedoc]

I can't get over her describing it as "egregious" behavior. She has extremely incorrect expectations of child development and what behavior is considered normal.

[@kasimmorathi]

The worst part is that this abuse isn't over now. These children will grow up haunted by their trauma for the rest of their lives, haunted by the extensive documentation of every abuse they suffered and the THOUSANDS of people who actively cheered their mother for that shit.

[@Jelismiles]

lets hope so.. lets hope that the foster care system doesn't harm them even more, like it did with the Turpin kids.

[@LaHada420]

@@Jelismilesit’s laughable that you think the foster system will take care of them. -former foster youth

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

Some people are sick that watch abuse. I didn't know about this but I usually report abuse on any of the social media sites. I see animal abuse staged for clicks and I hit the 3 dots to report them. Please people take time and report any abuse.

[@Lilsp00]

What’s even more sick it that some creep that watches could come get and foster/adopt them

[@lemoncarr2599]

Clips of her have been going viral the months leading up to her arrest, and people in the comments were still defending her

[@spirit6837]

ex-LDS here: this is unfortunately INCREDIBLY common in Utah. CPS often ignores cases like these to avoid giving the church a bad rep.

[@amandamosteller1371]

That and almost everyone is LDS, from the cops to state officials.

[@AnearHD]

I grew up LDS, but in Oregon; I have since left the church, but its crazy to see how much more intense everything is in Utah.

[@eliastalks7411]

​@@amandamosteller1371yep it essentially operates like a cult

[@highdefinition90s]

Yeah like I’m a current member and most of the stuff she says seems INSANE to me, but I have never lived or attended church in the western USA. It’s so wild and sickening

[@chanelesparza8563]

@@AnearHDwait till you lookup what’s happening with em’ in Mexico 🫢

[@ct5625]

One of the saddest things on a psychological and emotional level is that the two eldest kids (the ones still in the house at the time) are on camera saying that they have no friends because of their mother. Ruby took all the kids out of school to "home school" them (which it seems she just wasn't doing at all, which might explain one of the charges being about intentionally depriving the kids of developmental needs). The youngest daughter was the one seen by neighbors knocking on doors looking for a friend to play with, she didn't understand that everyone else was in school. Bear in mind all of this was apparently happening while their dad was there. So the fact that he's now claiming to be innocent doesn't sit well with me. Nothing about him seems right. Why wasn't he fighting to see his kids? I'm wondering if he just didn't want to lose his access to that KZbin money.

[@naydenrodriguez9780]

I agree, even if he is a victim he shouldn’t be forgiven that quickly

[@DawrinChawes]

Knocking on doors looking for friends to play with unattended Is literally so sad U know she just wanted someone to talk to who wasn’t her crazy mom No little girl should have to go through that

[@oddmnemosyne2869]

Like the man went on camera and talked about sending his son to one of those troubled teen camps with his whole chest and wants to play innocent now? No sir. I don't doubt that things got worse with Ruby with him out of the house but he was complicit and an active participant in so much mistreatment before this.

[@worstfriend9456]

Clap if they should sufffer

[@eggroll8778]

@@worstfriend9456I’m clapping!!!!!! (Punishment for the parents of course, if you mean kids then wow)

[@raqueliglesias3787]

Do physical labour with no food in your system. What??? To her children. She deserves the worst.

[@captainfoxheart]

Right after waking up as well they must have been so hungry

[@emmatrapeni4223]

The pineapple thing really made me mad. First of all children at there age of 5 or under don't usually pick fruit as a snack when going into the kitchen unsupervised. Then he TRIED to clean it up and she still got mad at him for getting a snack. Be a mom and clean up after him and move on you are INSANE.

[@cherrybomber69]

Literally breaks my heart, he was still pretty much a baby. I have a 2 year old and whenever I leave the room for 5 minutes to hang out laundry, I leave the baby cam on and a whole plate of food for him on the lounge. If he makes a mess, I clean him up without getting annoyed because I just want to make sure he had food for the short time I was out of the room.

[@richardplinkett4956]

Harsher treatment of her own children than most people got in concentration camps before getting gassed in the Third Reich. Makes you think.

[@Maxisamo1]

That's quite literally slave labor "Do these tasks, or you won't be fed"

[@rxcemxlk]

How tf do neighbors become completely aware of the situation so much so that they have contacted authorities, but a man who shares a home with the abusers has done nothing. I know he’s indoctrinated and such, but come on. Religion reasons come to a full stop when your kids are malnourished and physically harmed.

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

Fr, a grown ass man should know better

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

I hate when we infantilize fathers, as if they're not the 50% of the process of making a child. Sure, the mom was probably a psychotic and abusive monster, but I DOUBT that he has absolutely 0 say in what happened in that house.

[@xItspaolax]

He was ok with sending their son to one of those wilderness camps so he was definitely involved in the abuse.

[@TheMuffinManIsHappy]

@MuZIcIZMys0aL13 A buddy I went to rehab with in 2019 was sent to one of those wilderness camps when he was 14. Those places are messed up! It was so bad he hitch-hiked 20+ miles fleeing. He got a ride from a random guy driving a pick-up; the guy stopped his car to tell him this is as far as he could go, and when he was telling me the story he said verbatim: “I was like, ah shit, is the part where I get f**ked and killed..?” His delivery made it one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. The next person to drive by was a cop who picked him up and he was safe. Anyways, that’s all. Sorry to ramble.

[@grasstastesbad]

he moved out when/before everything took a turn for the worse and the two kids that were taken to the hospital were in jodi hildebrandt’s house

[@micheller3251]

What Ruby failed to understand it that all of the "privileges" she takes away from her kids are actually human rights and SHE is the one who is privileged for being able to not only afford all of these things, but also to be able to get away with so many horrible behaviours for so long when everyone knew she was witholding them from her children regardless of age.

[@Shay416]

She knows exactly what she's doing. And the people around her especially the "father" and grandparents are accessories

[@spOOkytimes]

Her children pay her bills. She is genuinely delusional if she thinks anyone would give a shit about her channel if it weren't for her kids. She's probably mad her kids are getting older because her profits will dry up.

[@jenjenrose.artist3]

"How does a kid with negligent parents prove they have low income?" Man. Thank you for addressing that. Myself and many of my low-income peers in public school couldn't get lunches for this reason. Went without food through many school days.

[@mirofeya]

It's supposed that parents should do all of the documentation. But if they are already negligent, they wouldn't do a shit. What an evil system. I am from Russia, and all education is free there, and food there is free too. Kindergartens have meals 5 times per day (7AM-6PM) in their own groups. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner are hot, freshly cooked good food, with fruits and vegetables, and other healthy options. Food in schools is worse. Macaroni and sausages and stuff. Still, it's not just burgers and fresh and cooked food. Free. I knew one family so poor they were living in the basement of our apartment complex. Kids told me they survived on school food and were scared to graduate and starve. I was donating clothes and shoes to that family, and other neighbors were donating food. And the drunkard mom were birthing more and more babies to that mess of a family. They had 6 kids when i moved out.

[@zoeoneeva6397]

The way she calmly rationalizes her horrendous abuse is so vile. Then promoting this as a way for others to raise their children, just off the rail crazy and evil.

[@laurenmaxell5917]

Well, I take Joy out of the fact that her openness is gonna go well in prison. If there is one thing they hate there it's child abusers.😂

[@kportz19]

I’ve been “following” the eight passengers saga since 2017. Ruby was a terrible mother, she was authoritarian and lacked any empathy for her own children. But, when she met Jody she became a monster. Connections by definition is a cult and Jody is the leader. Ruby is her most devoted follower, I have no doubt in my mind that if Jody told her to Ruby would murder those children. The saddest part is how hard viewers tried to get police to intervene. Time and time again we were ignored no matter how many tips were called into police. All of this might have never happened had the police and child protective services listened to their neighbors, the internet, and Ruby’s own family. I fear that the police covered up for Ruby because of the LDS church need for a perfect image, had that child not escaped and made mainstream news the authorities would have continued to do nothing.

[@Maxisamo1]

Reminder folks: The police almost never PREVENT crime, they usually just punish it way after the fact, and even then, there are times they fumble that

[@sleepygirl8005]

As someone who watches true crime, this is so common. Time and time again police and cps is called and time again children are left with their abusers until something terrible makes the news.

[@bobsgirl100]

I'm afraid you are right.

[@vjc25]

As someone who survived child abuse, this is so triggering and sad for me to hear. Those poor fucking kids.

[@DawrinChawes]

Last clip was so bad described her kid trying and failing to clean up as hiding lmao he even showed her the paper towels

[@jodieturnerx]

I'm sorry you went through that

[@justicewatch4602]

Glad you survived. Yeah, crazy people exist. That stuff was hard to watch. No sane person could treat kids like that. Period. I'm in Idaho and am just tripping out on the dystopian religion fueled activity here. I'm living in a horror movie.

[@TheBlancLoL]

@@ToxicHALnone of your business on how people deal with their trauma

[@vjc25]

@@ToxicHALHey troll, I’ve been in therapy for nearly 10 years. Just because you go to therapy doesn’t mean the pain goes away. I don’t let my past control my life at all, but reminders of what I went through do hurt. Maybe you should learn some empathy and take your own advice by going to therapy so you don’t end up like this miserable bitch they are talking about on the pod.

[@JH-yj7kk]

It blows my mind how so many parents see their children as their property and not for what they are... people. Kids are people. You don't own them.

[@angeldream1]

Exactly, I think it’s also important to tell kids this. I told my kids this more than once. I remind them we are separate people and they don’t have to agree with my or their dad. Kids need to know that stuff.

[@vikki-333]

@@angeldream1you’re a good mom for that, so many people don’t realize this

[@inefffable]

They somehow take the idea of "you are responsible for making sure these people are taken care of and socialized" and end up with "I own this degenerate selfish brat 3 year old and they are here for ME"

[@growupjohnny9374]

100% she has NOOO IDEA about childhood psychological development. Kids under 5ish physically cannot conceptualize the ideas that other people think differently and don’t know what they know.

[@justsayin124]

They literally don't have a conscious. They aren't even aware of themselves in context of others. It's sad this woman had a platform at all.

[@twocathome399]

exactly and every child is selfish at a young age. that’s them growing some awareness for wants and needs for themselves. that’s why children often go through a “that’s mine” phase

[@karasmusic123]

I remember when I was 5 my mom slapped and questioned me for 45 minutes "why do you treat mommy like shit?" Literally, her words. Every time i gave an answer she'd call me a liar, slap me, and ask me again. The main thing I remember was she used big words I didn't understand and I didn't learn a single thing from that encounter. I'm still trying to figure out what was I supposed to learn from that.

[@yazplatt]

Right! Children at that age are literally just id. They don’t understand what an ego is, they don’t understand why their needs aren’t being met by their caregiver, and the definitely don’t understand why their mother seems to hate them enough to hurt them!

[@Maxisamo1]

​@@justsayin124Toddlers do have a conscious, but it's VERY limited compared to 5 and up

[@jennbrucker6623]

I'm sorry that kid was hungry and took the initiative to get himself a snack and attempt to clean up a small spill at 4??? That is stunning. Poor little kiddo. I hope he gets all the therapy he needs.

[@sarah29880]

Probably scared to death to get yelled at. That’s imprinted at a young age

[@anitaclay]

This brings back unpretty memories. That poor kid did all of that because he knew he would be in trouble and ot would result in him being severely punished. I also bet he wasn't forthcoming and was guilted and scared into telling her exactly what he did. I'm glad he was able to get help and now all the kids are safe from her.

[@Lisa-yv2hd]

I loath this woman. You’re gonna leave a couple kids of that age alone and then punish them for doing what kids do??? Wow.

[@ETelemenope]

Kids aren’t nearly as stupid as these awful parents seem to assume they are. If your child is behaving in a way that you don’t like, to withhold basic care shows them that it is okay to do horrible things to the people close to you to get them to do what you want. That injustice and unfairness yields confused, angry/upset children that don’t have the tools they need to have happy, healthy relationships. I am disgusted by the “gifts of truth.” Every single “gift” is a basic expectation for how a parent should treat a child, whether they’re in trouble or not. If you don’t know the difference between parenting and abuse, you do not deserve to have children.

[@nicoeeek.7181]

EXACTLY.

[@Maxisamo1]

It's the same argument against hitting "I was struck as a child and I turned out fine!" No, you became an adult who thinks it's okay to strike children under the mildest of infractions

[@neryn9020]

Yup, food and shelter is something that every kid should have no matter what. Unfortunately not every child has that privilege, but to have it, to have the means, to have food right there and ready - and deny it? Yeah, you belong in the worst circle of hell.

[@ETelemenope]

@@neryn9020 absolutely. There are parents and children in devastating situations, enduring similar issues (kids are responsible for housework, not enough food to eat, etc.) who would switch places and do it RIGHT in a heartbeat. And the thing is- a real parent sacrifices everything for their children. If there is food insecurity in a loving but underprivileged home, it is the parents who should feel it most acutely. NEVER the kids. Asking your children to suffer for you and pretending that is love is vile. I sincerely hope our broken prison system devours these “parents” whole. May they be made to understand these evils and suffer for them. Mostly, I just hope these kids find healing and peace. I pray their sibling relationship isn’t too compromised and they can learn how to be good to each-other as a new family. With parents like this your sense of family and self becomes so warped and uncomfortable. They did nothing to deserve this.

[@heyheysheashea12]

I'm a child of domestic abuse in Utah and under the LDS church as well. I'm 26 and I need so much therapy and have come to terms with the idea that I will be in therapy my whole life. I'm trying to figure out if my parents have a place in my life. My heart just breaks for these kids. All I want to do is shield them from this abused

[@BaileyB1011]

I just want to give them the tightest hug because ik it would of meant the world to be to just have one person show me true compassion

[@LovintheMakeup43]

I’m so so sorry you had to go through that

[@Koselill]

At my high school in Norway they would serve free oatmeal porridge in the morning saying food was important for the brain to wake up and function properly. Me being a silly teenager would sleep until 5 mins before I had to go, so I absolutely loved that they did that! I can't imagine how invaluable it is to some students to have that one meal at school.

[@ArDeeMee]

I love oatmeal porridge. It makes me feel all cozy inside. =)

[@Anna.T.]

My school in Finland did that occasionally too. Scandinavia rocks.

[@swedishmeatball4382]

Yeah, some Swedish schools also serve free breakfast. One of my fellow teachers inherited his parents' house, which included his mom's beloved apple orchard. He wasn't interested in the apples but picked one or two bags each day and brought to school. The students dropped in during the day to get an apple to snack on, and quite often we teachers brought a bunch of apples for the last classes of the day. We noticed that the students were a lot more alert and active when they got this apple snack. If there were apples left when the day ended we sent them home with some of the students where we knew the families had some financial issues. Not that the kids starved, but a couple of kilos of free apples meant that mom could make some treats at little to no cost. Some of the students from more well-to-do-homes told their parents about our apple bonanza, and their parents brought in bags of apples from their orchards.

[@gabrielle6307]

A lot of schools in Australia also have a breakfast club, and if a child doesn't have lunch they always have Vegemite sandwiches in the fridge.

[@roses4963]

Same here, my Norwegian high school served lots of different types of müsli in the morning, and it was sooooo nice. I lived a few towns over and had to get a train in, so I would often skip breakfast just to get some more sleep (had to wake up at 5) so this really helped me. In the winter when it was completely dark outside nearly all day, this müsli was the highlight of my morning 🌟✨

[@BabyMango]

Expecting your children to be perfect angels when they don’t have the literal brain chemistry to make rational decisions is insane

[@cheesecakelasagna]

some people really should not have children.

[@yilz123]

She is… the more you listen to her the more sociopathic she sounds. She’s talking about CHILDREN! They’re barely babies

[@benstin]

What pisses me off is how she immediately goes at her kids for the pineapple thing. Her 3-yr-old kid, who already clearly knows how to try and manage her anger. I live with a roommate and three cats. If there's a mess on the floor that's bothering me (that I didn't make), I clean it up and assume the cats got sick or my roommate missed a spot. It's not hard to not give a shit. She's just a control freak that loves to lord her authority over her kids, and it's sick to watch.

[@kkat7494]

That bit scared me just watching her re-count it

[@1tbspjasmine]

Also, remember that children developmentally go through phases where they literally can not process other people’s emotions. During that stage they can’t provide for themselves, so they are worried about only meeting their needs. They are trying to SURVIVE.

[@thereisnocarolinHR]

Ethan being a skinny legend, maintaining hairline and expanding his bloodline all at the same time

[@leylapicou4500]

Liking this comment ^ gives you good luck 🙏 all hail Ethan

[@DesktopDuos]

True alpha male time

[@highdefinition90s]

It’s all that Sigma Brain

[@TheMaskedChef7]

He’s doing great bless him

[@Noooooooooooooo000]

Ethan worshipper

[@coralilly628]

When Ethan said “you know what can cause selfishness. Being forced to hoard things because your mom is chronically taking them away.” This is so true I see it in my practice a lot

[@lilik.3327]

I can also imagine the kids becoming pathological liars for this exact reason.

[@rachael8646]

The two youngest were the ones being tortured. Messed up to hear her say they are selfish and immoral. When a child's needs aren't met, they may appear selfish because of the resource insecurity you have created.

[@nellieshoals]

When a parent talks like that about LITTLE children, it is always a red flag of them being abusive. And it is small-minded. It's like they don't understand that judging a child is literally... stupid. It doesn't make sense. And children are products of their environment. If you really think they are so "selfish," maybe take a look in the mirror. That plus projection--all these horrible parents have a really bad habit of projecting their worst qualities onto the children they abuse. It is heartbreaking.

[@rachael8646]

@@nellieshoals I couldn't agree more

[@giannaleng1897]

Being selfish is also developmentally appropriate. Kids are supposed to be ego centric in the early years. You have to teach them how to navigate living in a society and in a family. Kids are just like that and it’s YOUR job to teach them otherwise.

[@morganleslie]

I hope those poor kids don’t develop DID, BPD, or some other personality disorder because of this abuse and neglect. Their sense of attachment must be completely messed up.

[@WildBerryAura]

Utah Child Service often turn a blind eye when the family is LDS. my time working with special needs children has shown me the non lds or lower class families get visits right away but you can record pretty extreme abuse and if the family is upper middle class and lds they often look the other way

[@Koselill]

That is so disgusting :( I can imagine their system would be absolutely stuffed if they actually went to all the cults in Utah...

[@ct5625]

This has been my worry since this started. Utah is 66% Mormon, and that's going to be reflected in policing and CPS services. I still think the FBI should be investigating why nothing was being done even while so many people were reporting this family. There are numerous known cases of LDS/Mormon cops catching runaways and taking them right back to their abusers. I'm genuinely wondering if the only reason this case came to attention was because the neighbor and the first cop to attend either weren't LDS/Mormon or didn't know the family was. If they were members of the cult too then this would probably have all been covered up and we wouldn't know about it until those kids were reported missing and it would be another Lori Vallow case.

[@eliastalks7411]

It reminds me of the systematic abuse in the Catholic Church. In Ireland for example years of children in the foster system suffered through horrific abuse and it was normalised for decades until an inquiry happened.

[@semirelatablesarah]

@@eliastalks7411what they did to those poor mothers and babies/children in the name of “religion” is absolutely disgraceful

[@wendynerd1199]

Don't forget the mass baby graves and slave labor! @@eliastalks7411

[@TaraVon]

This is absolutely disgusting considering all the money she made exploiting her children on social media for years. Not like she couldn’t afford to feed them. From her own words, “she made millions”. Sadly, there are so many parents who struggle monthly to put food in their house and so many kids deal with food insecurity on a daily. Like they said, most kids only receive a meal at school. So the fact that this disgusting woman took them out of school, thus making sure they didn’t receive that one meal a day is beyond evil.

[@cathyosbourne6986]

The glee that she demonstrates when she's talking about punishing them is heartbreaking.

[@caincosplays]

I have a buddy who spent a few years in prison. He said without a doubt, whether you were a murder or a drug dealer ect, they all agreed. If you hurt children, the prisoners will ensure your time in prison is very torturous. A lot of those people have families there waiting to go home to and prisoners have zero tolerance for child abuse.

[@aimipon]

Yeah, I've heard the same thing. The women in that place are going to give her a big jug full of her own medicine and then some.

[@bobsgirl100]

Women in prison would tear them up. Sure they are in pc.

[@Mcginigin81]

I hope all the money she made off of abusing her children online is frozen and given to help the victims of her horrendous abuse, her children, to help them be mentally and emotionally and financially taken care of ❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿❤️

[@truthfully11]

Yes! She got that money because weirdos like to watch strangers kids online!

[@80sbrunnette]

Imagine the other children she has harmed because other parents were watching her content thinking it’d okay to treat their children that way .

[@ProfNDKai]

This ! Real scary to think especially considering she had such a large following

[@Athena_208]

Yup it’s so sad and scary to think about how many families are ruined and how many kids were abused because of her crazy and cruel beliefs.

[@veginito9927]

You can really tell when something bothers ethan when his tics get worse. God this story aggrivates me so much for how KZbin and the authorities failed to intervene

[@dena81]

I love how she calls her young children selfish for probably being normal kids but yet she thinks her going to take a nap and leave a 3 and 4/5 year old alone and hungry expecting them to handle sitting still... And yet she can't see that was selfish of her?

[@Milkberry333]

As a child I suffered similar abuse to these poor kids. I didn't really think about how fucked up it was, because it was happening to me - and I guess I had it ingraned that I just deserved it. But hearing about these kids going through similar things, its so clear how wrong it all was. I feel so sorry for them. I hope they don't end up with their dad, but instead go to a loving home that will treasure them and treat them properly.

[@qt_stacy]

Theyll get separated if they’re not able to stay with the family. That’s even worse. No family within foster care is equipped to house six additional kids at once let alone adopt six kids. You’re confusing an ideal world with reality & the reality is tge foster care system is broken as hell. their father is their best bet if they wanna remain together

[@Milkberry333]

@@qt_stacy Chill out lmao. Can't you see I'm trying to wish the best for these kids? I'm not hoping they end up seperated in foster care. That's literally not at all what I said.

[@charliehatch288]

Forget her finding out what the food is in prison. I’m excited for her to learn how child abusers are treated there 🙂

[@kated3165]

I hope some fellow inmates will get in a habit of taking her food away and deciding if and when she deserves to eat.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@kt114]

Good ol’ prison justice

[@serpentenya]

A child abuse survivor here too amongst the 500+ comments of others who lived the same thing I did. Sending love to you. I know it's hard. I don't often comment on videos, but hopefully, my words reach out through the screen to you reading this. People DO love you, and you are not defined by your abuse, you are capable of surviving this current chapter of your life. 💖💖💖

[@alexispromise1245]

Thank you for this message beautiful soul

[@tenkenroo]

Hope this woman gets thrown in a cell forever what a despicable woman

[@clubbasher32]

Dude shes gonna get it in jail cause those ladies miss and want their kids

[@raeisdumb]

I hope she and her partner go to prison for a loooong time. I hope they figure out real quick what mom's in prison do to child abusers.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

👏👏👏👏say it louder for the people in the back. 👏👏👏👏

[@KingOfGaymes]

Hopefully the fellow inmates give her a “good welcome” 🤞

[@Squirmychair]

I hope they take her meals and mattress away. Ya know. Bc she believes that’s a good way to teach someone a lesson

[@Selkie943]

The fact that Ruby admitted in a podcast that the vlogs were the highlights and her own mother was horrified by the raw footage and still thinks she's a good parent is insane, it's like she's incapable of self reflection.

[@katieannekelly4369]

I think the child cleaned the mess up out of fear not maturity he knew what rubys reaction was going to be… another indicator of her abuse

[@montanadoom1964]

as a child who survived child abuse, and especially neglect when it comes to food and being withheld food… this shit makes me so incredibly sad. like i never wanted anyone to go through what i did. these children… i hope they heal and grow up in a loving environment

[@uwuumadz]

the way she insulted her kids and talked down on them constantly, trying to make them seem like their mistakes have malicious intent behind them is insane. i feel like if CPS waited just a little while longer this would’ve turned into a case like lori vallows.

[@bunnyellabell]

i agree wholeheartedly.

[@adelinepresley5312]

That’s my aunt

[@amierith]

The way she says words related to food is disturbing. She gives them a strange amount of emphasis and often clips the words odd pauses. You can best hear it in how she says "lunch." It's almost like she hates talking about food in general for some reason, like it angers or disgusts her, and she speaks as if food is a gift from her to her children.

[@TaraVon]

It’s often the case that a parent who acts in such a way had the same done to themselves as a child. Could be that her own parents withheld food from her. Her relationship with food is severely unhealthy and that’s evidently clear to see. Regardless, she knew it was wrong to withhold food from her children and she still did it anyways. May she rot behind bars.

[@wendynerd1199]

Ruby is notoriously vain and obsessed with control. You do the math on that.

[@NaomiR51]

What is she expecting of 3-5 years old? Pretending like pineapple juice on the kitchen floor is bad??? He even went to clean it up???? Any parent would've been proud, wow.

[@amykru]

I highly recommend the interview with Jessi Hildebrandt, the niece of Jodi Hildebrandt. She was tortured by her aunt, who was her legal guardian, and is participating in the current court case. She is an incredible survivor with a ton of information about this insane 'therapist' who lives in a $3.1M house and who bills the Mormon church for her sessions!

[@catsncrows]

Yes, it's a good (well no) interview. It shows just how long Jodi has been rampaging around

[@amykru]

@@catsncrows I just noticed yesterday that there is a trail behind Jodi's house named "Hellhole Trail"! Could it get more poetic?

[@catsncrows]

@@amykru oof!😞

[@caitlinjones1650]

a devastating case. seeing clips of russel breaks my heart. kids deserve better. such a disgraceful woman.

[@BabyMango]

Imagine being so responsible and pure that you try to feed yourself, clean up the pineapple, and then are honest to your mother about it KNOWING she will punish you… I feel so bad for these kids. He did nothing wrong and was treated horribly. If they do one small thing wrong (in her mind) then all of their good traits are over looked

[@brdtds]

From what I've heard about her, it sounds like she's just, plain and simple, a narcissist. Everything that she does, it has to be under her control, she needs to control every aspect of her children's lives and their behaviors. I hope she's fuming at the fact that all of this is coming out about her and that she cannot deflect it. Hope the kids are getting away from her for good.

[@cathyosbourne6986]

and a sadist

[@arianabenitez9929]

she’s a sociopath w narcissistic tendencies

[@gothbabykaydence937]

the way she is laughing and smiling while telling the whole world that you starve and touture your children is so scary

[@vulpixella]

this also seems to me more of a case of system failure than anything (other than the obvious abuse). shari, the eldest child, has stated the entire family has contacted authorities about the situation for years, and they’ve even been visited by CPS before, but they “found nothing” of concern. and with their strong presence in the LDS community & kevin being a higher “official” of the church until recently (w him teaching at BYU), it was more than likely brushed under the rug as to not disgrace the church.. very sad that it had to come to this point of abuse for any justice to be served.. :/

[@puffball4484]

I agree. The LDS church has a lot of influence in Utah authorities especially in the Salt Lake area.

[@Ashbrash1998]

They just came out with a report mentioning they had like 10+ calls by several people about the kids where cops even went to the house but the kids wouldn't let them in. And the neighbors saw the officers and told them Ruby was mia and had done so many times abandoning the kids at home by themselves.

[@Jacqueline888]

it’s strange because on the 911 call you hear the dispatcher say that ruby has no record of contact with the police outside of a recent traffic stop. you would think if someone had reported her, there would be a record of it? unless reports went straight to cps and never law enforcement

[@mae6125]

@@Jacqueline888or if they just trashed them to keep her record clean

[@capricornqueen5262]

The small child felt "entitled" to take food from the fridge...she's acting like they ordered lobster and caviar. If a kid goes to take fruit of all things they are *hungry* most parents would consider that a win...

[@yeoldegunporn]

Her story about the kitchen pineapple spill is so unhinged. Ti tell that story, record it, then post it. Like, how unhinged, how egocentric, and embarrassingly disconnected from reality. Disgusting

[@Manticorn]

The thing that especially gets me is that those kids had no way of knowing how long she would be asleep, and they were depending on her to get them lunch. They're little kids. Time feels a lot longer to them because they haven't lived for a very long time. They were hungry children. And I just know they were panicking when all they did was spill some pineapple juice.

[@twocathome399]

for real! she really recorded it, look at it, and thought “yes this is great content to post”

[@breakfastattiffanys741]

It's fucking pineapple juice, pleasant smelling, yes sticky but easily cleaned. It's not like feces were smeared between the tile cracks or something 😂

[@Sarah-xp1og]

My fondest wishes: 1) that these sick, weirdo, image-obsessed POS rot in prison for a good long while; 2) that they experience intense humiliation and shame for the rest of their lives. Amen!

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

👏👏👏👏👏 say it louder for the people in the back

[@melissapetzer3560]

Prison will take care of them. The husband should rot too.

[@trinitylace1101]

There’s a difference between being poor and not being able to afford Christmas my parents would atleast do something for us to make us feel involved in the holidays and then just taking that away from them for “being selfish” this is sick and she needs to be in jail for the rest of her life for ruining these poor kids lives

[@laurenmaxell5917]

Yup. You can make uour kids feel loved without giving them presents. Baking cookies, qatching christmas movies together, sing christmas songs, making presents for is also a fun option with older kids. But getying 4 kids presents and not the other two isn't a "gift of love" it's just f'ing mean.

[@alicehatch1001]

My family was weird about food. At one point I was told by a doctor that I was not getting enough nutrients and I started to eat at friends homes as much as possible. My parents were both on very restricted diets and fed us (myself and my 5 siblings) the same diets which have been proven to be really unhealthy and lacking all of the nutrients for growing humans. My parents didn’t believe that sugar should be allowed, we rarely had fat, salt, dairy… which I know sounds good but i survived on nothing but tofu, rice and steamed veggies and didn’t have enough protein so I became incredibly anemic. Anyhow, I’m still weird about food and hearing this story about ruby makes me so sad but also so grateful that her children are no longer in her care and I’m glad she’s been exposed fully and that her kids are Hopefully safe now. I hope those women rot in jail

[@sarah29880]

Oh man that’s like nothing. Animal products are essential to the developing brain especially eggs and dairy. I’m so sorry. That’s horrible really

[@jaylynn8630]

The therapist, Jodi Hildebrandt, has a niece who just did an incredible 3 hour interview on Mormon Stories Podcast (which is a KZbin channel, not just a podcast) about their abuse at the hands of their aunt. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more about Jodi's abusive methods.

[@LitcheTheArsm]

👀👀👀👀

[@nellieshoals]

Thank you!!

[@WildBerryAura]

people do not realize how many super LDS families are like this in utah

[@ct5625]

But we're not allowed to talk about it because that would be "discrimination" - in the same way it was "discrimination" to talk about the Catholic church's predilection for abuse against minors and covering it up.

[@WildBerryAura]

exactly!@@ct5625

[@sylviablack4935]

That’s terrifying. I had no idea.

[@nina30591]

What LDS stands for?

[@marykosin5053]

@@nina30591Latter Day Saints, it’s a shortened version of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (which is what the mormon church is called)

[@AgitpropPsyop]

“I did what any mother would do, I licked the floor” I think I speak for every mother when I say no one would EVER do that.

[@lorij3]

Exactly lol. We just see and clean and move a long

[@eugeniagarzas]

As a psychologist it infuriates me how the other woman that claims to be a therapist was not only silent about the abuse BUT WAS ALSO encouraging it. I hope at the very least her license is removed( if she even has one)

[@kylesmith5633]

Utah is a wasteland. They have a professional licensing board that keeps shit like this quiet as much as possible because the state is run by the mormon church. They literally professionally sponsor the practice of conversion therapy. It wont change until the cult is destroyed and fat chance of that anytime soon

[@hollisterkittens1]

she is so sick and evil. There are some mothers out there who go without just to make sure their kids eat.... she does the opposite

[@asmrasianjenjen3806]

WTF!!! These family blogs are getting out of hand. Not only Ruby abused her kids but she even admitted in her videos about it. My question for KZbin, are they going to change their policies regarding children being in videos. Obviously her and her husband banked on their so called "family values" by making these f up videos.

[@notrod5341]

Nah. KZbin loves covering for these sorts of things.

[@imnezu8940]

God it makes me so angry listening to the way she treats her kids. I hope the prison guards treat her in a similar way. She’s ruined 8 young children’s lives

[@spOOkytimes]

Even just the pineapple thing. Imagine remembering every tiny mess a child has made like a spill. Most parents don't because it doesn't matter and its just what kids do. He tried to clean it, told the truth, and STILL got punished. She is really something else.

[@3dge--runner]

It takes a rare person to fill me with disgust at such a high level. I could swear she hates her own children.

[@nellieshoals]

She is so deluded. She thinks she is "teaching" them, and "giving them truth" to what, save their souls or smth??? That's the most that I can understand through her f*cked up frame of reference, I don't get the rest.

[@benphish]

This lady put her kids entire lives online to get the bag and has the audacity to call her children "selfish".

[@emilysuani3026]

I think that the reason her 3yo cleaned up the mess wasn’t because he’s necessarily more thoughtful. I think it demonstrates how truly terrified he is of his mother. He knew how angry she’d be if she found out he ate a snack and that’s why he cleaned it up. It wasn’t so much being thoughtful so much as it was hiding the evidence.

[@aimipon]

It's also so wild to hold children to such ridiculously high standards that we don't even hold ourselves to, but it happens all the time. Those poor children were living in an extremely high stress environment, so even if they were really, really careful, they were set up to make mistakes.

[@adamlaski9128]

The sad thing about the 3 year old cleaning up after himself is that he’s likely doing it to avoid whatever backlash could be coming.

[@confessionsofarevert5151]

Usually at 3 years old they run away like nothing happened and keep being a kid. So sad.

[@poopsydo8052]

The dad isn’t innocent, at the very least he knew what she was doing but he took part when he was in the house. F that guy, he’s not a victim

[@nellieshoals]

They're all sick. Including the kids, now. It breaks my f*cking heart.

[@bakedatassup]

I hope they put her in solitary confinment and give her empty food trays at lunch so she can understand what she put those babies through.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@twocathome399]

i hope if she’s not in solitary that the inmates find out what she did to her children given that most people in prison were also abused as children.

[@TA-vi6tn]

​@@twocathome399exactly i hope the other inmates make her go without food

[@laurenmaxell5917]

She should first spent some time in general population. Just wait until you learn what they do to child abusers.

[@spOOkytimes]

if other inmates are serving her food, she may get spit and snot in it at the very least.

[@hailey7596]

Literally watching this in tears while holding my two toddlers as they have a post nap snack. I cannot imagine mistreating beings that I literally grew and felt every day. This woman is a monster.

[@MalBeats]

Not only is she withholding food, she's laughing about it like it's funny. This is an evil woman, whoever follows her should also probably be looked into for their children's sake

[@vannahsavable]

Ruby is actually a patient of Jody’s. Jody is in control here. And Ruby isn’t her only minion/victim. She convinces parents that they need to abuse their kids to fight the “addiction in their mind”. She creates her own doctrine and that’s where the majority of Rubys actions stem from.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

That might be true, but Ruby should still rot in prison for what she did. I do believe that victims can become abusive if they never get therapy or learn that this they were treated was wrong. But she should definitely be held accountable for all the harm she did- regardless of if she’s a victim. Because she hurt not only her kids but anyone who believed/s her message. ❤

[@Jacqueline888]

ruby is not a victim, she doesn’t believe in being a victim remember? “victim” means you’re not taking accountability for your role in the situation. rubys own words.

[@wolfjulia7699]

As someone who came from an abusive home, this breaks my heart to know these children suffered like this. Praying for their healing. Hope the parents both rot

[@ThatLizHunter]

So much of what this woman did to her kids happened in my fundie home. Constantly being called selfish, Christmas presents thrown away , duct tape being taped to my mouth and tying my hands together. It’s jarring to hear someone talk online with dialogue that I heard as a child - and bitter sweet to see some justice to at this least one horrible parent

[@Sharkyyo_o]

Sending love , no child should have to go through that

[@moka-yk7tg]

I hope you are doing good and that you have a safe environment

[@marie-hm8xt]

I think it is important to put the selfishness aspect in the context of normal childhood development. It is completely normal and healthy for them to be selfish at a young age because they don't even have the ability to see the world from anyone else's perspective. As a young child it is quite literally impossible for them to not be selfish, its how they learn and survive. It is called the concrete operational stage of development and it isn't reached until 7-11. I encourage anyone who has children or is interested to look it up or even just watch a study on it on youtube that demonstrates the concept. Also, the 3 year old boy eating food, even when he was told he will get food later if he waits, reminds me of the marshmallow experiment. It is normal and healthy child development. I think the lack of child development knowledge people who are responsible for raising children have is a root problem for a lot of these abusive tactics and unrealistic expectations of children. Yes, there will always be people who don't listen or just don't care about how they are affecting their children, but I think a lot of people have been unintentionally abusing their children and causing lifelong problems and hurting their chance at success when they truly belive they are helping them.

[@Dave102693]

Exactly

[@nellieshoals]

Also, I always wonder for these people--how do you call YOUR OWN CHILD selfish, yet not recognize that they act out what they have seen and received??? Holy f*ck people are dense!

[@Jenn-ie5vf]

Kevin had far more pull then the neighbors did in helping his kids but didn't. He could have gone to court to get full custody but didn't. I don't think he wanted the responsibility. Chad is 18 and an adult now. The younger 4 all needed help and parenting and he just must have not been interested. So sad for the kids that no one cared enough to save them and had to save themselves

[@spOOkytimes]

He's a victim too, and may not have realized that the treatment he received was not normal. Many victims have to be "convinced" that what happened to them was not their fault and not okay. He has no power to take his siblings out of that home even if he wanted to. Shari was also ignored.

[@nellieshoals]

Or he was overwhelmed. The whole family is suffering and in need of serious help, probably several layers of intervention.

[@melissanicole4357]

Her cousin came out to say that this abuse is generational and was learned

[@sacrosanctharlot6482]

When I was in elementary school (2001-2004) if you forgot your lunch plus had no money you would get a single peanut butter sandwich and a 1 tiny milk carton. Even as a child I thought it was whack they couldn't just give those kids a hot lunch. The lunch ladies would make a big deal about having to give a kid a peanut butter sandwich. High-school no one cared if you ate or not. I'm guessing middle school may have done a single sandwich as well.

[@gwynnthiere]

My mom refused me food in high school often, the only reason I got lunch because we 'made too much for free lunch' was because a friend convinced her mom she wanted the 'deluxe' lunch and spent the extra money for it to get me food instead.

[@JenniferJustice123]

I'm so sorry this happened to you. How awful.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

You deserved better! Bless that friend for wanting to help, but you deserved so much better than that

[@nellieshoals]

You were clearly going through something for your friend to reach out to you like that.

[@wurmmithut]

You should talk to Jordan & McKay about this!! They have been covering this for a while and are super informed

[@Katalack635]

The story about the pineapple makes me incredibly sad because I felt those same feelings as that kid but when I was much older. I would frantically clean the house as a teenager so when my mom came home from work there was nothing for her to yell about. I just cannot imagine how a tiny little body would interpret that stress. Thank GOD she’s already arrested.

[@asrack660]

Coming from a past where this happened, I can say it kind of leaves a mark. My step father would out chains and padlocks on the cupboards because me and my brother wanted too much food. Ended up getting food from my neighbors and the school

[@notjustanotherbrickinthewall]

It’s normal for kids, specially teenagers to ask for more food. Teenagers specifically teenage boys eat a lot! It’s normal because you are growing and you are probably much more active. Hope you are doing good today ❤️

[@AP-kh4jx]

Felt.

[@celinacalderon6036]

As someone who works in the system with child protective services- its so much more nuanced than just "there was a report, kids should be taken away" they do follow ups, and if they dont actively see things that don't warrant the kids being taken away, they wont do it.. usually "preventative" services are put in place (which means active check ups and services if needed etc) if they see things are copasetic they will drop the case....its so hard because in this situation they must have overlooked the whole case because of how she made everything look (ample food, proper bedrooms, clothes, schooling etc) This really does leave such a gray area for situations like this where, a lot of these things get left alone when there should be deeper investigation but its really hard when its easy to go off of what you see....whoever checked up on this family failed to see the signs and do their research and that's so sad. I hope the kids are ok.

[@MoodyLoser96]

How the hell did she think the kids would grow up and not say anything. It's all religion, I guarantee she got away with it this long because those who were being alerted had religious ties.

[@mindslaw4961]

I know this is a small thing, but the way she fixates on the stickiness of the pineapple at 32:30 is really revealing to me. She's reveling in the disgust and rage she felt because her children disobeyed her.

[@MeghanBean]

So true ahha

[@kylesmith5633]

I expect this is an example of somebody with severe unchecked mental illness who, instead of seeking help and recovery, intensified their need for control and dove deeper into externalizing their hurt onto others. This woman had the resources but for a variety of personal and external factors CHOSE not to try and be better. The fixation on tactile stimuli and the sheer rage on display at any loss of control sounds like some of the worst cases of untreated ocd ive seen. Im diagnosed with it, have been since a kid, and my mom would never seek a diagnosis but i am beyond sure she suffers as well. I have less than 0 respect for this putrid individual, i hope she never sees the light of day

[@Amyym]

The school lunch memories many of us have is sad. At my middle school in the 90s if you couldn't pay because your parents were behind you couldn't have the full hot lunch. You'd get one PB&J sandwich on a different colored tray than the rest of the trays to really ostracize and make a 7 year old feel like shit. Also to make sure some kid didn't try to sneak a roll or sandwich from a different lunch lady. It was like waving an embarrassing sign. It was terrible.

[@honeysweet4804]

same to me and it was early 2000s

[@ploopydiper]

At least it was a pb&j. My school had the infamous “cheese sandwich” two pieces of dry ass bread and one Kraft single in the middle. This was in the early 2010s, for ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN. The system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up

[@katielibby15]

This happened to my brother in middle school, early 2000’s, from a simple mistake/first time happening and when he told my Mom she called the school and ripped the principal a new one for how cruel that is to do to a child that has no control over their financial situation.

[@heatherlaaman3593]

Ethan getting the main story right but a lot of small details wrong is so funny

[@rachael8646]

This reminds me of the Wimbush case. Just like in the Wbush case, Ruby Franke issolated the "bad" children. She sent the two youngest to Judy's house where they were tied up and tortured. She has gone a long way to convince the children that they deserve it because they are sinful and bad. In this case she told them that even Santa knows that they are not good children. In the wimbush case, the parents got 20 years.

[@fiene888]

let’s hope Ruby gets something similar. Unfortunately, they do live in Utah & are LDS, which unfortunately gives her a good standing within Utah child services & law enforcement. Best we can hope is any jail at all.

[@rachael8646]

@@fiene888 I know. The law is applied very subjectively unfortunately. Otherwise I would be very confident that she'd be looking at around 20 years. I think that it would be pretty hard for her to get away with out a significant chunk of prison time though because she is very clearly guilty of these felonies. Right now her lawyer is probably scrambling to convince her to blame Jody and cut a deal. If Jody gets a lawyer he will tell her the same.

[@kenziewenzieasmr9800]

They all deserve LIFE IN PRISON

[@rachael8646]

@@kenziewenzieasmr9800 that'd be cool. But idk we will see what happens. I think that based off of the charges, even if she is able to escape the serious jail time it definitely seems that she deserves, she will NEVER be in control of the lives of those children again, and that is the most important thing, so we can rest easy knowing that.

[@Jenn-ie5vf]

Here in Michigan both breakfast and lunch are free at public schools. In the past you had to qualify financially to get either free or reduced but thankfully now it extends to everyone which I think is amazing. Hope it becomes nationwide

[@nvonedge]

School lunch debt and the stigma for kids who receive free and reduced lunches is real! It just makes sense to feed all our kids lunch everyday.

[@emilylewis5373]

I havn't seen the video but I saw it mentioned in comments in last episode. It seems like the family was reporting to cps for awhile and was estranged from Ruby. The two oldest children have been living with family as a testament for this. I think it would be a tricky balance in which if a child's life isn't physically endanger (which it seemed to be a more recent abuse step up) and you can't legally removal a child to somewhat appease an abuser so the children at least have someone in the family trying to negate behavior.

[@cronizle]

16:17 When you talk about the humiliation of asking for help... real talk, it's a huge reason for petty crime. Doesn't explain it all obviously, but I think you have to really feel it in a moment like that to understand it's actual weight. Like, even theft creates some feeling of accomplishment after taking a risk.

[@ilya8132]

27:00 Wow…I’ve never thought about that; the difference between a parent spanking you while angry vs while not. It really offers a new perspective, since many of me and my cousin’s beatings/punishments were directly tied to how we made our parents feel (with anger always being the forefront). They knew the power of fear and still advocate for it today with grandkids, conflating it with respect. Tears me up every time. How can they still lack such self critique? Be so close minded an dense?

[@juliakalchhauser8788]

Kids learn from exposure, they imitate what they see in others. No wonder she thinks her kids were selfish, when she and her husband seem to be selfishness personified. Ugh...I don't even wanna know how many other parents she inspired to similarly vicious behavior by putting all this online, acting as if it was the right thing to do. Maybe someone should check on some of her followers... :(

[@souredgrapes]

when you were talking about how ruby had a decent upbringing but still became awful ... ruby is like the woman who abused me, and I was always so confused as to why her sister was so kind while she wasn't. she and ruby did the same type of tactics and they had cps called on them three times but nobody did anything. fortunately i was never physically harmed, but during the summer we were on our own so I'd lose about ten lbs bc of the lack of food. i am an adult now and luckily i lived with my mom half the time, who had gone to the court/authorities multiple times to try to help me and my siblings. the system is broken -- it's not that people aren't trying because they definitely are.

[@Hey_0kay]

These kids are ALREADY GREAT kids, Ruby was so high on control that she disciplined them as if they weren’t. Shame on CPS and law enforcement too, what a disappointment😔

[@TheMinorsRap]

As a proud owner of my 4 year old object I own. I definitely profit off of it at any opportunity available and make sternly sure to remind it of it's place in my household and demand obedience in a complicated fashion that it's little brain can't even comprehend. Praise me please, for I am THE FATHER OF ALL

[@nellieshoals]

It's not funny. Sorry, but I've heard parents refer to their children as "it" and it is a reality that exists. 😞😞

[@dp9828]

I feel so bad for these kids. They're genuinely going to be dealing with this for the rest of their lives and take this into every single relationship and connection they have with anyone else. My heart is so broken for them

[@stevienyx9235]

“She’s probably five” how do you not know your own child’s age?