The Dark Side of Jodi Hildebrandt - Ruby Franke's Business Partner

[@LawAndCrime]

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[@Sgsgssgsgsgs]

Kevin was in connexions, they both were with Jodi! Years before the split! Why is Kevin NOT arrested. As LDS belief Kevin was the HEAD of the family and hav them "priesthood blessings" which are totally just his own thoughts and manipulation..

[@ladyscarface1]

truth - as someone raised in one 1970 - 1988 we were treated very similar,

[@kodigemma3359]

Jodi presents as a sociopath. Ruby is a narcissist. The children are lucky that they were rescued before something far worse happened to them. And for what it’s worth, Kevin doesn’t get a pass. He’s hostile and controlling. He had a duty to protect his children and he failed.

[@ValerieGriner]

I totally agree. He obviously didn't care about the children...or he would have checked on them and done something.

[@marshapieroni6677]

No doubt in .y mind that little boy would have been dead in the next few weeks had he not gotten himself out of there

[@ElijahsMimi]

Kevin controlling 👀 He's so passive that he allowed his wife to "invite him to separate " He's a wus, certainly not the leader or priest of the family.

[@JoJoGranum]

Jodi did tell her other male clients to stop talking to the kids and I know a few were tortured by it. Kevin? I don’t know. I remembered Adam Steed and another said no way to giving up contact with their kids. Jodi found a match like hers here to the detriment of the Franke kids

[@kodigemma3359]

@@JoJoGranum It took almost a year for Adam to start fighting back and we all know what happened when he did. He was not the only one who lost his kids because he fought. Kevin knew that and he said in his 2nd interview he was willing to go along with the request in hopes of getting his wife and kids back. Apparently this was the 2nd time he and Ruby had separated at Jodi’s insistence. It seemed like the first separation lasted a few months and then Ruby asked him to come home.

[@candyorange266]

In the old days this lady would probably be in charge of an orphanage. The place would be a house of horrors.

[@taxiuniversum]

I‘m a German - and she reminds me of Nazi Concentration Camp guards I have learned about. The rabid hatred. The sadistic drive. The COMPLETE absence of self doubt.

[@tiger.wolf.2033]

@@taxiuniversum Lustig. 🤣😂 Sie erinnert mich an die Hexen, die ich in meinem Leben getroffen habe, an echte Hexen und an diejenigen, von denen ich in Büchern gelesen habe, die Hexerei nutzten, um ihre Opfer zu verzaubern. Die Nazi-Konzentrationsschlampen haben den Thron verloren. Sie ist eine Art Banshee. 😅🤣😂😅🤣😂Jodi jammert wie ein dunkler Schatten durch die Nacht! 😂🤣😅

[@marshapieroni6677]

Oh yes!

[@Serenitynow958]

She’s the PERFECT warden of an orphanage or concentration guard!

[@3derevo3]

She was doing exactly that w/o the actual orphanage

[@jomc7425]

I think some criticism needs to be directed at the LDS church and its leaders. The bishops who recommended people to Jodi for her dubious treatment need to be questioned. At the very least, I'd like to know why the church leaders doesn't openly distance themselves from the likes of Vallow/Daybell and now Hildebrandt/Franke.

[@reynaolvera7526]

Absolutely! EVERYONE who discussed this case ( and the Daybell case) are so worried about offending the church. Forget the church, LDS has brewed abusers, perverts, abusers, sadists and soap box standers for years. They ABSOLUTELY need to be looked at and judged.

[@cindyhill2981]

Jodi was removed from the church’s recommended list after her license was suspended in 2012.

[@annimalasenko7326]

​@@cindyhill2981that is not true, the church actually paid her long after, and the church still recommended Jodi to LDS couples.

[@RosyJreams]

@cindyhill2981 hey Cindy.... are you real? Thus is the same statement you've made in several places in this video? Are YOU doing the dirty work for the church now too? Stop deceiving Cindy.

[@mtaylor7307]

Tim Ballard also spoke with those on the "Vision of Glory" circuit with Daybell. This is no longer just fringe LDS.

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

I think depriving your children of meals is physical torture. And it certainly would interfere with their growth and development. This was happening well before Jodi came along.

[@olwyn.3954]

I agree 100%

[@Dee-ur1hk]

Me too!!! So sick with all these children have gone through. Not to mention all the EVIL things done to ALL her "clients" . FAMILIES TORN apart. She is one sicko who loves Power and control more than anything!! Prayers for all who have been affected by this EVIL human.

[@olwyn.3954]

@@Dee-ur1hk The bit that really got me was when Kevin told Chad that he would have to pay to get his Homework back, How sick is that.

[@Dee-ur1hk]

@@olwyn.3954 URGH!! That is just soo sick to do these things to ANYONE, but she preyed on the vulnerable.

[@pepethefrog8759]

I wonder if any of the young kids teacher noticed how they were physically. You could definitely see dark circles under Russell's eyes

[@MyDancingShoes]

Jodi's understanding of mental health is absolutely bizarre. It's like she learned the basics and couldn't understand them, so she applied them to her own worldview and took a dramatic left turn in her practice.

[@taxiuniversum]

So true. She is batshit crazy AND deeply troubled herself - but instead of focusing on healing HERSELF FIRST, she struts around in the world, convinced to be in possession of some supreme truth. Dafuq, really!?!?

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

She wrote a book and in the book she talks about seeking help, but she wouldn’t do anything that they asked her to do to try to help herself. I suspect she always thought she knew better.

[@janshe3597]

@@taxiuniversum. Psychopath’s are sadistic and evil, there is no cure for them. Psychopath’s are well aware of what they are doing, they just don’t care.

[@margaretlumley1648]

IMHO she is extremely dangerous. She makes up her own version of mental health symptoms and illnesses that is completely at variance with mainstream understanding. How fortunate that she finally got noticed. I am just really sad that this was through torturing innocent kids 😢

[@nancyjaynes2868]

Ironic that one of her “pillars” is humility….and she is wanting to teach everybody in the world her “brand new modality”

[@Sensual_kumquat]

Omg she is the epitome of "if you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bs". It's a bunch of buzz words strung together that really means not a whole lot. Also I think there were many times when Jodie expected laughs from the audience that didn't happen. I would love to talk to one of the professionals who attended this.

[@edl6398]

No kidding!! People are taking notes too!!

[@nancyenkelmann4552]

You stated this so well!!!

[@truthhurts2879]

Also, she's the epitome of projection being a subtle form of confession.

[@atomiclisa]

I have no idea how someone like her could get licensed. And I am gonna put this out there as someone who's been sober for 7 years: Jodi looks like such a booze bag. She really has those physical traits of a heavy alcohol drinker. And it's so common to transfer addictions from food to booze and vice versa. Her poor little soaked brain is just puking out all of her nonsense onto others in a very sadistic manner.

[@bsmkgify]

i perceive and then feel emotion! she acts like this is einstein-esque genius, but everyone knows this without mrs. hitler to tell them. and then to bully depressed people with the "YES! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DEPRESSION!!" as if just deciding "I'm not depressed any longer" will actually fix things. I can't believe she even was allowed to spout this idiocy for so many years, and then she's gone on to torture these children. Ruby is just as horrible.

[@MsLyricLee]

I agree 💯 that Jodi is projecting her issues re: sexuality on children. I'm a lesbian & I honestly feel Jodi's is a closet case that repressed her sexuality & is taking it out on the world. I hope they lock her up for the trauma she's caused ppl because she won't face her own issues.

[@emc129]

I think Jodi and Ruby were far more than “business partners”, as the media keeps calling them.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

Mormons don’t accept homosexuality so yes, I agree, she is repressed and angry and projecting.

[@taxiuniversum]

Thanks for your input. I have a question, and I apologize if I am being blunt: Do you see a connection between misandy and lesbianism? Personally, I have met a number of lesbians (I am a man, btw). My position on homosexuality is that I respect it - and I respect the human beings in it. I have met lesbians who did not strike me as misandristic. But I have also met a noteworthy number of lesbians who were CLEAR misandrists.

[@killian1075]

I’m also a lesbian and I agree with you.

[@janshe3597]

I’m not a lesbian, I agree with you…

[@Sparkl4860]

A mothers main job is to protect your children. Ruby and her husband did not do this! Guilty!

[@IrishBlueBear]

The husband wasn't there when it started happening.. and he wasn't charged lol why comment if you don't know the facts

[@GirlFriday68]

When you look at the video of Ruby and Jodi at hour 1:01.. Ruby looks glowing, hair done, nice clothes, huge smile, close body language with Jodi, now think of the state of her children and marriage and immediate family.. children were left alone for long periods of time, neighbors describe dropping off food for them and her little girl wondering alone for hours looking for children to play with waiting for them to come home from school, now look at Ruby.. not a care in the world , if this doesn't tell you everything you need to know about this "mother" I don't know what does

[@tiger.wolf.2033]

Exactly. And last night I just asked one question in another channel here in this platform: where was Ruby when her kids were left alone for days in that big house, without food and no one to care for them? I really don't remember a day I was left alone at home when I was a little child. I was always in company of somebody who played with me, who taught me something, like reading or writing, who would pick me up from school, or if my grandma had to leave for some minutes, she would call a girl in the neighborhood to be with me -- and it never took one or two hours or 10 days for grandma to be back! Now, I watch these videos, I read the articles and testimonies of neighbors... and the fact that even the neighbors contacted CPS?! it can't be real... !!! how come could all this tragedy happen if not for the lack of responsibility of Ruby and her husband?! Police ignored even her daughter's call to 911 and CPS?! There are many people and institutions responsible here, and the role the Mormon sect played in it must not be ignored either! The neighbor who called 911 said "there have been problems in that house"... If he knew that, I bet all my stocks the whole neighborhood knew it too.

[@zxs7170]

Despite of the physical torture administered by both, Ruby was doing serious psychological damage long before Jodi. As was that husband Kevin. Ruby’s side of the family are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They come from long practiced, generational A*use which they deem as “normal.” What they all portray on their “wholesome” KZbin channels is NOT who they are.

[@China-Clay]

Which side of Ruby’s family are you referring to?

[@alexisrosek]

I think Ruby learned from Jodi. Jodi has been inflicting this damage on hundreds of people for over a decade.

[@zxs7170]

There is endless videos of evidence to show how A*usive Ruby & Kevin were long before Jodi. Ruby grew up in generational trauma & a*use. It all started there. It seems things did get worse after Jodi, but it started long before she entered the scene.

[@MKUltra42]

@@China-ClayRuby’s sisters and Ruby’s mother/grandmother are all abusers.

[@China-Clay]

@@MKUltra42 her mom seems like a very nice person, interesting that her channel is still up

[@matrixnavigator6669]

It's interesting how she claims she realizes that she only has control over 3 things - Her thoughts, emotions, and actions, and yet her modality is all about manipulating people into allowing her to forcibly gain power over them in order to control them to do what she wants them to do. Doesn't really sound like she accepts that her control should be exercised only over herself. Her invasiveness into other people's lives is beyond inappropriate.

[@LaurieFloodTeacher]

Very true. She tries to tear down people's boundaries. It seems as though shame is used.

[@mtaylor7307]

She was divorced early and estranged from her 2 children with her spouse having custody. Some recommendation!

[@mariacidaliapereiragaidola5405]

She those not have responsibility herself.

[@kateklein9157]

So she is living in distortion.

[@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123]

@@mtaylor7307where did you read or hear about her marriage and children ?

[@gilliancotsford3866]

WAIT! WHAT? Why is nobody questioning the LDS? They were a part of this! They referred people! Jody told them things about her patients that had consequences! They had complaints about Jody from other church people! Why does the church get a pass in all this? Nobody is talking about their roll

[@pepethefrog8759]

She also got her counseling license taken away, and yet she's still preaching her abusive tips online

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

Spot on. The religion sets them up for this. Not just the referrals from trusted leaders but also the mainstream teaching.

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

Only for 18 months.@@pepethefrog8759

[@Anya-b5s]

Exactly! Jodi built her wealth on the referral network she had established with the church. They enabled her to wreck people’s lives over more than a decade.

[@cindyliao2250]

Not only did the religion play a part, the bishops recommend people to Jodi. So Jodi is seen as someone with religious authority.

[@RosyJreams]

The LDS church has an absolutely huge role to play in this. Make no mistake. Jodi could not have done any of the vile things she's accused of, without the LDS church's support and protection.

[@crimetimewithjess5366]

The church was referring her to their members, I would consider that direct huge involvement. She was referred, protected and for a long time.. untouchable

[@cindyhill2981]

Jodi was removed from the church’s recommended list after her license was suspended in 2012 when she broke confidentiality laws. She does not get money from the church.

[@soude85]

@@cindyhill2981According to a statement made in an article in 2012… Wouldn’t call that proof.

[@coyoteclockworkstudios3140]

@@cindyhill2981 You LDS, Cindy? Sounds like you can't criticize the power dynamic in your own church.

[@kymfrancis4612]

Jodi’s description of that bereft dad is disgusting behaviour & it demonstrates her complete lack of empathy - he was going through the stages of grief 🤷🏼‍♀️ I am a clinical psychologist & I can’t comprehend what bizarre philosophy, her “therapeutic” treatments are based upon; the woman has no credibility & she is operating well outside of her scope of practice.

[@81suze]

Same here, professor and psychotherapist and she is a religious cult leader not a clinical psychologist !

[@liseklerekoper2441]

It’s so disturbing that she gets up there on that stage & admits that when she was younger, she tried to control everything because of a chaotic & emotionless home situation. She gives herself all kinds of credit for going to therapy & realizing this while transforming herself, yet everything that she has done is about controlling other people. Absolutely zero insight in to herself & as a result, she harmed so many people yet, believed she was helping them. Sick lady who needs to be in jail for the rest of her life.

[@mamabear52]

The lack of daylight between Ruby and Jodi on the program says they are more than business parters, the history of Jodi breaking up marriages is further proof, Jodi replaces the husbands. Ruby needed Jodi to validate her lack of love and genuine affection for her children, to make her actions clinical with Jodi was to validate herself, her methods.

[@Martina-Kosicanka]

Jodi will be doing great in woman prison, I think. No men to deal with and acceptance of lesbian relationships. And bullying culture. She will be in a heaven

[@b.f.2461]

I can’t say if there was a physical relationship between Ruby and Jodi, but there clearly was a deep codependent emotional bond.

[@haintedhouse2990]

Ruby will now have time to hopefully pick a hotter girlfriend than the Hildebeast.

[@jasant9]

@@haintedhouse2990🤣🤣🤣

[@kami6222]

Has anyone ever question Jodi`s adult children? If so, Id love to hear what they have to say

[@gacktist00]

I heard that her daughter changed her name so her mother can't finds her or contacts her. that explains a lot..

[@aznmochibunny]

Her daughter is no contact with her and wants absolutely nothing to do with her mom. I don't think she will come out to testify nor do interviews.

[@bethcramer1232]

Wonder what happened to the boy?

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

I’d love to know why Jodi isn’t allowed custody of her own children.

[@rebalspirit]

Her children are grown adults, late 20s I believe Upon Jodi's divorce from her children's father, the children went with their father. They, or at least the daughter, have nothing to do with Jodi.

[@Sensual_kumquat]

It's amazing that a women whose personal life is a hot mess is giving advice to others

[@artcreationsbydar]

I was always wondering if she even had children? She never talked about them that I know about. Plus a husband. Good for him to get away from this nutcase! He has dodged a bullet here!

[@janshe3597]

@@rebalspiritThe father got custody of the children after their divorce. I haven’t seen anything about why, I find it odd that a father was given custody in 1999, when women were typically given custody…Their children are 31 and 33 now…

[@janshe3597]

Me too, it has to be quite the mess, especially for her ex-husband to get custody of their children. Typically the women received custody back then, so it was definitely not the normal, status quo, divorce and custody…They were divorced in 1999, the children are now 31 and 33…

[@amaega]

Im a therapist and literally most therapists validate and then eventually help empower. Therapists arent trying to keep their clients in victim mode. Theres a time and place to use victimhood (especially when some people ARE victims) and the aim is to move through it as slowly as that client needs while we process. Did she even have a supervisor LOL

[@MaggieMaeMatt]

Annie, I DISAGREE with you on not pointing the finger at the Mormon church. They have totally supported Jodi in this crazy quest for years by referring member after member to her. For the record I spent 55 years in this church. The members believe whatever their leaders tell them so if a church leader recommends Jodi….get the picture?

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

Based on your experience, do you think the church teachings set some people up for this, as in people who already have issues, mix in the teachings, and you've got trouble?

[@taxiuniversum]

Same here. I don’t understand why she keeps shielding LDS from scrutiny - even though the facts do not support that. LDS both deemed Hildebrandt as a PREFERRED therapist AND kept funding her with significant sums of money. If that doesn’t raise red flags, then I don’t know what will!

[@2boys1man4me]

For the record, that’s gotta be an Utah Mormon thing… it’s not like that in other places. And yeah, it does come off a little cultish in the Mormon corridor(Arizona Utah Idaho ) altogether. Maybe not in every instance, but it’s not like that outside the corridor.

[@soude85]

@@2boys1man4me What difference does it make, it’s the same ‘church’.

[@2boys1man4me]

@@soude85 it’s a big difference. That’s akin to saying all Americans [or Canadians, or Mexicans, etc] are alike.

[@pinkstephy]

No question Jodi has done WAY more damage than Ruby. I do think Jodi is the mastermind… However, Ruby is far from a naïve pawn in her game. She has years and years of videos documenting her “questionable” and down right abusive parenting practices years before Jodi was in her life. Thank God they are both locked up. Also someone give Kevin some balls. WTF is wrong with that man!? I pray these children get placed in a truly safe and loving environment. I also agree the bigger issue is these groups and their effect on children. Utah has very lenient child protective laws… there are schools like Provo Canyon where I believe Jodi worked that teach similar beliefs. I know because I went to one and I can’t stop digging in on this case because the principals she teaches are so eerily similar. Paris Hilton (I went to school with) made reference of this in her recent documentary. In Adam Steeds interview he mentions that Jodi bragged that she worked with Paris. Some of theses schools are still operating with similar therapeutic principles, consequences, terminology and beliefs.

[@Fancytater22]

These people exploited their children by filming them without consent. How DARE they have the audacity to request a closed court.

[@liseklerekoper2441]

Ruby and Jodi‘s trial is not necessarily closed, but the case in juvenile court, as to what the children went through and their disposition is closed, from what I understand. The criminal case is separate from that.

[@kristinebarbaree2697]

Even if Jodi came up with these ideas , Ruby should be responsible for protecting her own kids .

[@zanpsimer7685]

Except for one important fact. The LDS church was referring people to Jodi and if you follow the money, The LDS was benefiting from Jodi’s “treatment.”

[@deborahmulkey1627]

Thus the 6 million dollar home that Jody has?

[@janshe3597]

But on the other hand, they were just as culpable as Jodi was, when she repeated everything that was said in therapy to a certain Bishop. That would be the Bishop in the case of Adam Steed. Adam had her license suspended after she did this, now, what has happened since then…Adam’s interview on the “Mormon Stories Podcast” had to be taken off of their site. A Court Order was issued for the removal from their site on YT, at the end of September, a month after her and Ruby were arrested…

[@gacktist00]

@@janshe3597Adam also was a whistle blower of the problems inside the boyscout. and the some of thw highest people in the mormon church associated with the boyscout. I think Adam was the pain in the a!s for the church, and Jodi did revenge for the church! I have no doubt that why mormon church loved her so so much

[@cindyhill2981]

Jodi was removed from the church’s recommended list after her license was suspended in 2012.

[@China-Clay]

@@cindyhill2981nope, many were referred to her even after she lost her license

[@ManaCurves]

The Church of LDS is 10000% part of it and has a huge history of this kind of treatment

[@elizabethhoeppner8881]

I agree cult talk. If someone is in pain either physically or emotionally they need empathy and understanding. Jody is trying to get rid of that. Being kind to one another is not allowed. Telling people they won't get sick is ridiculous.

[@cindyliao2250]

Jodi created this “mental fitness trainer” group and each and everyone needs to be investigated.

[@florgarza6409]

Can’t believe people like her are certified mental health professionals, because of “professionals”like her we have so much craziness in this world 🌎 😮

[@kirks7143]

Exactly!! These people are being put into schools!! Remember she has a degree in Educational Psychology and her primary aim is about sexuality!! Exploiting teenage angst into these children being something they are not.....the lines between friendship and relationships are being blurred. I can't say anymore than that because my comment will be hidden. Where I live males are targetted by females just like the indoctrination of Jodie ....its all being taught in the universities!!

[@maddielawson9355]

She actually lost her certification license years ago due to her breaking client confidentiality and told one of her clients bishops stuff about him. crazy how people are okay with that and still listen to her

[@slconley]

You should look up Maurice Harker too

[@biancamaclean4794]

I remember when I was in college the psych major people were always the most unbalanced people I met.

[@janshe3597]

@@maddielawson9355 She lost her license when she repeated everything that was said during a therapy session to the person’s Bishop. That person, Adam Steed, had Jodi’s license suspended for going against HIPPA regulations…

[@mandcg3489]

Jodi had so many brothers, and she talks about how they held her like a pretzel 🥨 and it hurt. She is making all men pay for the pain they probably caused. Because as she said, “ her parents were disconnected “. They probably neglected her because she was the youngest of many.

[@kirks7143]

Why on earth do they allow people with mental health conditions themselves become psychologists and therapists?? Another one of their therapists with alot of influence at Connexions was also an anorexic .....who was treated by Ruby!!

[@emc129]

One word…Mormons. I am not by any means are saying that all members of the LDS Church are evil but the Elders definitely are. It all boils down to one thing and that is money.

[@elizabethhoeppner8881]

@@h_town_story I had psychology class and tried to find out what was wrong with my Mom. They didn't talk about Narcissim back then. My Mom was a lot like Jody in her beliefs. She made up stuff too.

[@janshe3597]

@@h_town_story EXACTLY, they certainly do… 🎯💯🎯

[@haintedhouse2990]

the same reason that some drug counselors are recovering addicts. their experience with remaining clean could benefit those in the middle of their addiction.

[@kirks7143]

@@h_town_story My mum was a clinical psychologist in psychiatry .....she is more nuts than her patients ever were.

[@watchdog8058]

love hidden true crime and how dr john breaks down each individual he is analyzing. really smart man!

[@rebalspirit]

I'm struck by how Jodi presents ideas that sound normal on the surface. It's only once she has drawn you into her circle of influence that how she defines her ideas and how she operationalizes them is learned. By then, a person has been conditioned and manipulated by her to such an extent that walking away is hard, even if they question the ideas.

[@deborahmulkey1627]

Cult leader traits.

[@lhr8833]

Her ideas don’t sound normal at all. Everything she says is the opposite of what psychology says. For example, she says validating the trauma is like a license to continue living like that, that is not it, validation is supposed to give the patient the opportunity to explore that trauma, finally be able to feel it, to be able to recover. Her ideas are based on using shame as healing and not having validation or compassion because that is weakness, that is not healthy or normal in any way.

[@Lucaz99]

@@lhr8833I think that they meant the WORDS they used made them sound more human than they were and if you didn’t knew about Jodi being a psycho, someone might be fooled at first

[@cuckertarlson5310]

Isn't anything normal about her. She is just as crazy on the surface as she is layers deep. Newsflash: This is how most women act.

[@gyptess4794]

They must have had a plan about what they were going to do if one of the children died. It seems as if one might have been getting close, considering they were being starved and had open wounds almost to the bone. It was only a short time yet, before an infection would have set in and physically overwhelmed them. Their bodies could not have been very strong, considering they were deprived of nourishment and nutrients for a strong immune system and body. I wonder if it ever went too far before.

[@Angee2009]

The book "Visions of Glory" is also linked to Tim Ballard who is linked to Jason Maw who is linked to Daybell. Full circle. Hidden True Crime put out another well-researched and shocking video about the link yesterday.

[@stacie1595]

Thank you for the recommendation!

[@merrydaye4763]

Plus poor Blake's family

[@wendyredd9890]

Distortion is the worst word 😵‍💫

[@dargful]

This cult started out and now has been fully stomped out. I am so tired of these culty people. Cults are horrible. They destroy people .

[@Karinn007]

Cults are terrifying to me. With that being said that educating people that these are very real and present dangers to susceptible individuals. I definitely want to hear more. Everyone NEEDS to hear more. Thanks Annie for doing this

[@LynetteTheRogue]

I think the most dangerous thing with Jodi's philosophies is that there's just enough actual mental health language in it to sound believable that if you don't know better it sounds like she knows what she's talking about and it's more likely to make ppl follow and believe her

[@eatntell1421]

I agree. There are some good things there if we listen. But don't hesitate to question parts that sound like fluff or unhealthy. So testing these things out is very important. No one is above testing. The other danger here is that we might start to feel prejudiced or wary towards people who also use the same terminology but are sharing actual healthy principles.

[@elainemackenzie9651]

If anyone ever wondered what psychopaths word salad sounds like, this is it 🤣😂

[@SussexSandra]

LDS church in Utah is as bonkers as Scientology in California.

[@jamieb-mo3dl]

she does not represent anything LDS, she just talked her way into getting referrrals YOu're greatly mistaken as neither women exhibited any LDS qualities and both made up what they taught.. But like american Democrats, "If you say it, it's truth even if your lying. Sadly the mormon Harry Reid was an example of this.

[@shady62minx]

Happy to see your hard work has landed you on this channel, Annie Congrats and keep on truckin! ❤

[@Cybeldar]

The mom was a monster, but people underestimated this woman's influence on her. She took a disturbed individual and gave her all the push she needed to do those things.

[@musicgirl125]

I feel like I’ve seen a million of videos on this topic and feel like you brought up some new perspectives. Great video!

[@randyhindman7464]

Why does this say law and crime network, instead of Annie Elise? Hopefully this benefits Annie. Love her

[@Anticrombie]

You go Annie! I can't believe you made it to the Law&Crime Network. You're doing amazing!

[@liseklerekoper2441]

What I find the most telling about Jodi, besides just the obvious crazy comments and her sick need to control others, is that her husband got custody of the kids when they divorced, and the kids were only 8 and 10 years old. That is an incredible rarity in the Mormon religion, so you have to wonder what was going on that those kids ended up with the dad, and I think at least one of them has no contact with Jodi today.

[@LynetteTheRogue]

The moment a group or person has someone willing to sacrifice their children for them and their "cause," that is the sign they are completely lost to any reason

[@liseklerekoper2441]

Very interesting that Jodi admits that she went into graduate school very sick, which right there should’ve told her that she has no business being a therapist for other people, but of course she didn’t recognize that and began harming people right away when she got out and became licensed.

[@loribethartist6353]

The way she thinks depression and other clinical diagnoses are the person’s fault is sickening! I had Postpartum psychosis after my 3rd child was born and I certainly didn’t bring that on myself. She is diminishing chemical imbalances in the brain and trauma (that are definitely not a choice)!

[@captainwinky]

Then you need go see a doctor and get the proper medication and treatment

[@loribethartist6353]

@@captainwinky I did- I was hospitalized for many weeks and given antipsychotic medication. It saved my life because I was suicidal. This happened 14 years ago and I still see a doctor to access my mental illness.

[@snowwhite2524]

Jodi's house looks like a prison, and it was for those two innocent children. This story is heart breaking. I hope that Russell and Eve are able to find peace, healing, and happiness.

[@Cyb3rG]

Props Annie! Giving thanks for deep dives down dangerous rabbit holes by skilled professionals!. Highly Respectable….excavating nuggets of gold …reprocessing, presenting,,,,.in highly relatable, factual, and cognizan!t way…without “preaching to the choir” so to speak… These topics req. mad mental gymnastics! You a slugger!!

[@kellizafer9828]

I could listen for hours of you delving into this!

[@bigups1394]

You know this is from Annie’s channel and not law and crime right

[@tamaravanvoorst448]

Great work, Annie, Lauren, and John in putting all if this together.

[@seaaashelll6390]

Thank you for this break down and updates! Love your channel and love your fresh studio/background setting. It’s so peaceful zen like. Helps in cases like this ( mentally disturbing)

[@pokachu7860]

Great crossover! And the work, impeccable.

[@lilm6259]

I feel for the young lady talking about what she experienced. I missed her name but she’s so beautiful and articulate and intelligent. I wish I could hug her.

[@elisabarron8712]

I really love the style of how you present and follow the stories. You bring up exactly what I wonder about in these cases. I've always been obsessed with how these people think and why. The whole nurture or nature question. Your show is the bomb.

[@champton911]

Jodi has been working with the family for many years. The constant statements about Ruby’s problematic videos being “before Jodi” are factually incorrect. Perpetuating untruths muddies the situation. Ruby is still a guilty abuser regardless. Jodi has been slowly building influence and gaining control for years. She started as counselor to Ruby’s brother and then became a counselor/parenting coach to Ruby and her older son.

[@maedeanmyers6229]

Oh, it's just so heartbreaking for those children whose trust in the adults meant to guide and protect them has now been broken. I also appreciated Dr. John's observation that Jodi's theory is rooted in basics of CBT. But she fails to grasp the absolutely essential factors of a therapeutic relationship-empathy, unconditional positive regard for the person, and congruence. In fact, I believe NXIM, in similar fashion, twisted the principles of CBT and left out those elements. And then I'm also confused by how she was able to justify having dual relationships with clients? There is so much that is problematic. Jessi has tremendous courage for speaking out. I truly hope the children get the best support possible in their healing and recovery.

[@taxiuniversum]

Why do you keep shielding LDS from criticism? Fact is: Jodi Hildebrandt had been at the TOP of an LDS bishop‘s list of RECOMMENDED (!) therapists. Fact also is that LDS was paying Jodi boatloads of money, funding her millionaire lifestyle. I want to see a deep dive into THIS. Why are there ZERO interviews with that bishop? Heck - we don’t even know his name? How much money did LDS give Hildebrandt? And what exactly was it that made them so enthusiastic about her and her „work“ that they primarily recommended HER out of all people? You would think that the state of Utah also has actually PROFESSIONAL therapists.

[@Meowhaus23]

Always, follow the money

[@taxiuniversum]

@@Meowhaus23Hildebrandt effectively functioned like a Gestapo henchman for LDS: They kept sending her clients and money - and she provided LDS with dirt on these people - WHICH IS SHOCKINGLY UNETHICAL! But what if this aspect was not a bug, but the FEATURE to Jodi Hildebrandt‘s handler(s) within LDS?

[@mads597]

@@taxiuniversumabsolutely a key feature. I would classify JH as more of an independent contractor than a henchman, however. She had a mutually beneficial dynamic with the church and BYU. But her allegiance was always self-contained as she was developing her independent vehicle to gaining power (connexions therapy business). This is reflected in Chad Daybell’s budding cult following, started with his published books as the initial hook, and in Tim Ballard’s endgame plan for theocratic domination, starting with the Op. Underground Railroad movie and recruitment efforts as a lure for support.

[@liseklerekoper2441]

The fact that Jodi lived in a 3+ million dollar home speaks volumes. I am a licensed therapist, and even in private practice, which I am also in, we would never make enough money to afford that kind of lifestyle.

[@marys.currie9026]

So Jodi didn't have control over her life when she was growing up, so she decided to control everyone and everything in her life as an adult

[@MarianR1111]

What Jodi says in her talk about thoughts causing feelings and therefore we’re responsible for our own negative feelings, may be true, but where’s the compassion, the humility. Very disturbing person.

[@patman147]

Awesome episode, I really appreciate all the hard work putting this together!

[@mik7825]

Omg!!! So proud to see @annieelise on this channel doing her thing❤. This case has so many layers to it

[@Rjrupert555]

I’m sure the LDS church had a significant influence in all of this.

[@Bowiebonolennon1982]

Please don't give LDS a break... you have no clue how dark that religion is...

[@phephedejeur]

Wow! Our True Crime bestie is on this channel?! This is amazing! 👏 great job Annie!! Well deserved.

[@purplepanzy]

She's nasty, selling pics of a murdered child!

[@Sarah-sc9ev]

Tim Ballard referred to “Visions of Glory” as well!

[@sharonweeks5423]

I LOVE how you do your stories

[@king69777]

I would like to see more of it... this was very clear & informative. You do very well with yr research & how you put together your message. This case is so disturbingly disgusting & the way you recapped, so ppl who might have missed portions, were easily caught up with the case. Hope to see/hear more of you🙂 ((regarding this case, & more)) Ms. Heart❤

[@denisemock5372]

Sorry, but LDS church needs to be held accountable for their part. They need to do some housekeeping and shine some light on some of the extreme views they condone and the coverups the church has participated in over the years. One more person to add to the list of LDS crazies is Tim Ballard, he had visions and talk to God, just like Chad! Makes you wonder what books were his favorites?? 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@deannaweaver6754]

Why are you hating on Tim Ballard?he rescued many children throughout his career.I don't know what part of that makes him a crazy. I think the LDS church is based on ridiculous doctrine but if you rescue children from any type of evil I believe you are a hero.

[@mads597]

@@deannaweaver6754sadly, Tim Ballard is a conman and a grifter who is falsely claiming to have noble intentions and a humanitarian agenda, when it’s actually just a cover for his own nefarious motives. This is all unfolding currently.

[@denisemock5372]

@@deannaweaver6754 so your logic is he couldn’t do bad things because he did a good thing? Truly look into the allegations of the victims then come back and answer me. 🙏

[@mtaylor7307]

Tim Ballard and Chad Daybell were both on same speaking tours. Ballard's accusers say that he told the women that they had been married to him in past lives so the contact was spiritually allowed ...same as Chad Daybell

[@reynaolvera7526]

Religion religion religion, giving people an elevated sense of self for years. Decades. Centuries.

[@wesbeuning1733]

There will be continuous updates. This is widespread, institutional and systematic, and the mormon church is culpable for sending folks to her.

[@taxiuniversum]

Thing is, LDS has billions if not trillions of dollars at hand to keep suppressing any „uncomfortable“ questions getting asked.

[@Martina-Kosicanka]

I apreciate hard work you put in creating it. Many people spoke about the issue, because it was a trend, but I could tale, you had an honest interest. And it shows

[@wendymiesowitz1897]

And still waiting for Kevin's arrest

[@taxiuniversum]

Me too. It’s disgusting how the legal system is failing children in Utah. By the way: I checked the Google Maps reviews of DCFS Utah. A total horror show! Go figure!

[@aznmochibunny]

​@@taxiuniversumUtah is primarily known for being LDS and FLDS heavy. A lot of their members are in position of power. I wouldn't be surprised if it was overlooked because of that.

[@thejoking.madmen]

It would've been very difficult for any investigator or journalists to not look into the therapist. All the red flags are pointing directly towards her. Ruby might be guilty for being an awful mother, but it seems Jodi is guilty of destroying many lives. This whole case is going to be a one rock and two birds scenario. The question now is which one of them is going to stay in prison longer?

[@laraoneal7284]

It wasn’t strict it was SADISTIC.

[@lesliespiro2629]

I really enjoy listening to your shows. You always hit on good points and your analysis is spot on and interesting. Keep doing what you are doing! 💫

[@HM-uj6ud]

So anyone who is sick is dishonest. I wish nothing but the worst the world has to offer upon this beast.

[@JessBahr]

Great recap from Annie Elise - my two favorite KZbin channels overlapping!

[@rusmiling9909]

Jodi’s grandiose epiphany for a new therapy is based on CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) which has been around for decades. She adds to it IMHO unhealthy extensions.

[@kodigemma3359]

Hidden Crime goes into this in detail from the perspective of a practicing psychologist.

[@lipglosskitten26]

They seem like a couple, look how Ruby looks at Jodi!!

[@kaitlynhorn9547]

Jodi is a great example of pseudo intellectualism and manipulative language. Nothing she says actually makes any sense but the confidence behind it makes people believe her

[@melissafischer5892]

The CBT rebrand is insaneee

[@getoutofthewater]

these people are super dangerous because they sound like they know what they are talking about and you come across them when you are really vulnerable, and probably without much experience with therapy or the like to know better, and trusting they know more than you.

[@romebigred2]

Thank you for distinguishing that this is not part of the faith. I'm a member of this faith, and I'm appalled at the way that these children have been treated. None of this is in line with my beliefs or values. In so many other sources speaking on this issue, they seem to assume that it's a religious thing.

[@TheGunshow09]

Well, the LDS is inherently abusive and harmful, there is no disputing that. While good people are in the community, it doesn't change the fact that those good people are upholding others harming people by supporting the LDS.

[@slconley]

This is the same kind of parenting as with Tim and Tracy Ferriter with the boy in the box trial that just happened.

[@liseklerekoper2441]

Was he also a Mormon?

[@slconley]

@@liseklerekoper2441 no they aren’t, just the same abusive parenting style

[@randomuser7851]

Why would people go to Jodi for marriage advice when she herself is divorced. 🤔

[@RMBlake007]

...which begs the question, "Why would ppl go to Jodi for advice on child-rearing when she lost custody of her 8 & 10 yr old kids during that divorce; and who have cut themselves off from her now that they are adults?".

[@jara4766]

They always sit so close. Jodi is always the one who eliminates the husbands.

[@theresaschmidt1183]

To me distortion and shame have very different definitions!

[@jponeill2151]

They look a lot closer than 'business partners'...

[@Shell-Cee]

Is my system tripping out? Says I’m watching “law and crime” not ten to life. But it’s Anneailse

[@aprilgooden8904]

These 2 psychopaths are a "perfect storm"

[@chetyoubetya8565]

I understand Jodi has massive issues but what disturbs me about all of this is the two adults the two parents had no desire or instinct to protect their children. I mean as a parent if anyone is telling me I need to tie my children down and starve them I am out of there. I don't know how either of the parents will ever be able to look at their children again and justify what has been done to them. I also am amazed Ruby's family keeps saying we tried yet it was the oldest daughter who seems to be the only healthy one who called the police none of the so-called loving and caring adults.

[@heathercoon3451]

Did Jodi say she's worked with 10's of THOUSANDS of people 😬

[@bcoull290]

She is full of crap. And full of herself.

[@MeezBoss]

When did Annie become Law & Crime? I dig.

[@Richard.Atkinson]

It angers me when people covering this story excuse the LDS church from responsibility when they systematically referred people to this “therapist.” The LDS church absolutely supports this kind of therapy, right up to the point of illegality, then when someone gets arrested, they clutch their pearls and pretend they never supported the person. Stop giving cover to them with your silly disclaimers.

[@Cincy_Kid]

🎯

[@DJDigitalDamon]

The story is horrendous but Annie I am proud to see your video on the Law and Neteork channel! You and Stephanie Harlow are my go-to for true crime

[@regenerated4life]

Annie Elise is a beautiful person and its great to see her on this channel exposing the horrific dark side of these individuals.