The U.S. E36 is the M3 to have, even without a real M engine | Jason Cammisa Revelations | Ep. 20

[@jesseboyer]

This is genuinely one of the best car shows on KZbin. Jason is a fantastic host.

[@xTheOriginalx]

Very true. Quality production

[@greatheightsu]

He's the only reason I'm subscribed.

[@ROmaniac21]

*roast

[@mr_voron]

I’d argue this is one of the best car shows, period. It’s funny, informative, well written. Jason’s delivery is emmy-worthy and general video production quality is broadcast level. Bravo.

[@MrYungKitty]

The reason why all the cars are up in price

[@albonfilms]

Jason, you are an absolute gem. And Anthony behind the camera too! You guys truly are the best on KZbin!!

[@conceptofthemind5877]

Albon you're here too... oh by the way I'm waiting on your vids!

[@conceptofthemind5877]

Still salty about not winning that 1000 💪

[@matthewrobertson2279]

Have you heard of Chris Harris? Haha

[@BrianRoediger]

Hear hear! Glad fellow gear heads can compliment each other. Like your stuff too good sir ☺️

[@ApexMissedxD]

@@matthewrobertson2279 Have you heard of Jeremy Clarkson?

[@sdfswords]

He's absolutely right, had one and only did routine, simple maintenance. Dead reliable and bulletproof, drove it like I stole it for years.

[@caseylockwood5512]

Mine currently has 230k miles on the original motor, still going strong!

[@lachlanbrown409]

Fix failure points and they are freat cars.

[@mechy2k2000]

He also right about the plastic interior falling apart and cooling but I still love my e36 :)

[@bmw3-er]

I changed my cooling system. And it runs fine.

[@fastsigns4825]

3 days down in 12 years. And it was my fault.

[@EstebanDonJuanCarlos]

Subtle but major: as an earbuds listener, I HIGHLY appreciate that the sound of each car came thru separately.

[@TheIrek666]

What earbuds have to do with that?

[@anthonyferguson7158]

@@TheIrek666 Hearing each engine clearly?

[@TheIrek666]

@@anthonyferguson7158 I use headphones and also can hear it clearly.

[@anthonyferguson7158]

@@TheIrek666 I think that was his point though. Over laptop speakers or a crap system, you wouldn't hear it as clearly. You with headphones and him with buds are getting close to the same experience.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@Joshua_N-A]

That ending lol. Laughter is contagious. It seems like to me the 90's was the era of pinnacle of car designs. E36, even with bone stock look still looks better yet somehow look timeless to look at. Credit goes to the designer where it dues.

[@sdb87149]

I totally agree. There’s something so sexy about the body look of this car and even the early 90s Mercedes were similar. Seems like everyone loves the e46 but I’ve always thought the 36 looks better

[@ToddGlasier]

Yep! Clean and slick. My gf at the time said it looked kind of boxy. I dumped her. My 1998 coupe felt like an extension of my body, "fit like a glove" and drove like a go-kart on methamphetamine at the race track, and yet perfectly civil commuting to work daily.

[@TotallyNotASpy1]

They can make modern Beamers as aesthetically complex and full of edges but that design language will never compare to these. I miss the old models...

[@Elosee]

yeaaaa i had to laugh, my euro e36 M3 is currently parked with self opening glovebox removed mid attempt to fix it hahaha

[@acooper111982]

90s cars are without a doubt where it’s at! Modern mechanical processes meant reliability, but without more modern, complex electronics that are less durable by nature

[@2HRenovation]

Prices for these are already ridiculous. Thank you, Jason.

[@ericbishop6861]

I know right!!!! These were my favorite cars when I was a kid.

[@jae9843]

@@ericbishop6861 Same. The E36 M3 and 996 Turbo were my "dream" cars as a little kid. I've always loved the E36 design over the bulbous E46, but obviously I'm in the minority.

[@nixaeagle141]

Exactly , and were in the teens a couple years ago .

[@samteks125]

Hated them back then. But everything desirable from that time is pretty much unobtainable now. Sigh...

[@e28forever30]

@@jae9843 I’ve owned 4 E36 cars, (not M3) and they are easily my favourite 3 series. Absolutely reliable, easy to live with, stylish, I would still enjoy driving one in 2022. The only reason I switched to the E39 is threefold: 2 sons an a daughter..🙂

[@Mclovin2469]

The E36 design has aged surprisingly well. Never liked how they looked until recently but they look great now, especially with those gorgeous wheels

[@derbigpr500]

Because they're objectively well designed. They'll always look great because they're not a victim of contemporary trends or over-designing that we see today.

[@jafu745]

I hope you're joking, this was one of the best designs of the 90ies, the likes of which BMW themselves only ever bettered with the E39 and nothing ever since.

[@sixtyoneeight]

@@jafu745 E39 M3 design is awful and forgettable. E36 was the pinnacle.

[@vladislavdimitrov4646]

@@jafu745 E46 M3 ?

[@e28forever30]

@@jafu745 I absolutely agree, always liked the E36 a lot, especially with an M package and a nice set of 17” wheels.

[@moneeb343]

Every single episode has me opening new craigslist tabs. That's good writing. Great work Cammisa and Hagerty.

[@AbzAden]

Also each episode just makes each car that much more expensive lol 😆

[@Cambone13]

Oof buying a 25 year old BMW on craigslist is like raw dogging a hooker. Risky!

[@bjsmithart]

I remember sitting in a marketing class in college in the mid 90s and flipping open a car magazine. The silhouette of a silver E36 M3 was featured in a tire ad. It was so powerful, I remember that moment almost 30 years later. I’ve been in love with that car ever since. I still hope to have one some day.

[@LordToxygene]

BFGoodrich, right?

[@ToddGlasier]

Same thing for me, it was the Car & Driver "Best handling car over $30k" article in the mid 90's. Luckily within 5 yrs I owned a cherry 1998 coupe in Arctic Silver! Almost cried the day it drove away 14 years later...

[@andydhillon1977]

@@LordToxygene That E36 M3 BF Goodrich poster was so iconic!

[@rdzed3505]

Yep. 1997 E36 M3 in Arctic Silver with the classic 18" BBS Hockenheim spoked wheels. Loved that ad. Remember it like yesterday. ❤

[@rdzed3505]

​@ToddGlasier I had a new Arctic Grey 94' 325is coupe I adored but decided to trade it in, in 97 for a new Estoril Blue Metallic M3 coupe. I loved that car. Unfortunately had to sell it in 2002. Best car I've ever owned including the shitty plastic adhesives they used. 😊

[@chrisgeorgiou301]

As a E36 Owner and E36 Enthusiast, this is the best video ever produced about the car, hands down!

[@SammyIsWhammy]

How’s the maintenance on it?

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@sidefx996]

Grew up with American muscle cars and finally got to drive my friend's '95. He gets a new 911 every 3 years but the M3 is a keeper (he's owned it since new). He threw me the keys and I just drove. Nowhere in particular. An hour went by and I was just driving. The hype is real. An absolutely magical car. Couldn't remember the last time I just lost track of time and just drove for fun with no particular place to go. Nicest driving car I've ever been in.

[@treeleaf6471]

EVERY 3 YEARS. wow

[@Joshua_N-A]

Every 3 years? WTF?

[@sidefx996]

@@Joshua_N-A The joys of being single...

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@sidefx996 I thought owners keep them running for years.

[@sidefx996]

@@Joshua_N-A Oh I'm sure plenty do. He keeps them very nice and they're still perfect when he trades them in he just likes to get a brand new one every few years.

[@optimoose3063]

Jason is an incredible host, and anyone who writes off the E36 M3 solely because of the S52 is missing out. Such a great and accessible driving experience - there's a reason you see so many at track days and other motorsports events

[@johnpearson492]

Absolutely, if the Euro version never existed, or the world wide version was the US model, everyone would still absolutely love it. The US M3 is a seriously fun car with the perfect amount of power and smooth smooth torque for the chassis. I've been daily driving one for the past 3 years, and I can't think of a single vehicle I'd want to replace it with, at any cost.

[@johnpearson492]

@@kjh4112 You are probably right. Though I've driven e46 M3s, they just felt like a smaller version of the e39 M5 I had. Not as raw or as exciting as the e36.

[@jkmason88]

@John Pearson I've been dailying one for ten years. It doesn't get old. I could replace it with a new M3 - or 911 for that matter. Not interested. I did put a GS6-37 6 speed in it, but no S54 for me. The E46's 333hp isn't much by today's standards, so what are you chasing? I've known several friends who have chased power until they've ruined their cars - and still never been satisfied. Like I said - this car never gets old.

[@Schmitzelhaus]

@@jkmason88 Couldn´t agree more! 👍

[@DuBstep115]

@@johnpearson492 in 2022, no one in their right mind would buy US SPEC E36 M3 over 328i. Just get 328i, the car literally dynoes 220hp 310Nm stock. Slap some good suspension and you are good to go.

[@baloonia1]

The self opening glovebox is an Entertainment Feature, come on now Cammisa you know this.

[@googleleavemynamealone9145]

who says the Germans have no humor!

[@elijahsalberg1604]

I just keep mine locked, problem solved

[@derbigpr500]

There's a reason why the glovebox has a lock on it lol.

[@seanpauldotcom5275]

🤣🤣

[@jasonw7497]

The krauts knew the owners would put glovebox gauges in it.

[@mrkeopele]

i'm 67, after years and hundreds of cars,of lots of hp and dollars, i'm riding ebikes now, but, i got a $600 1992 325is and i am in love and awe of BMW again, this car is crazy fun to drive and great to work on. thanks for the right on video i smile in mine too!! someone else modded the glovebox already for me!!

[@Tooob]

I purchased a 1997 M3 Sedan for $42k brand new in '97 and I still drive it today. After installing a lifetime water pump from FCP Euro and Mishimoto full aluminum radiator I've had no cooling issues for over a decade.

[@aakar1s]

The longer driving segment is highly approved, especially without music.

[@dustinjohnson9166]

Throw a nice set of headphones on for it too and you can hear the subtle engine differences as they are side specific! Neat!

[@thomasxl200]

As someone who has seriously considered a Euro-spec E36 M3, I can confirm that I now have a photo of Jason Cammisa hanging on the cross in my room.

[@ApKieras]

You should erect an altar.

[@thomasxl200]

@@ApKieras An altar to 100 hp/liter

[@Hole_Motorsports]

S54 swapped e36>euro e36 anyways

[@rturner4205]

In Cammisa we trust

[@sirloin4372]

@@thomasxl200 that’s it? My car is 4 cylinder and makes 135hp per liter.

[@mattconns626]

As an owner of an E36 M3, I'm so happy my red headed step child is getting some love from somebody that I respect.

[@robinbanks9221]

Same

[@EliteSwedenPhotography]

Had a 1997 BMW M3 3.2L 321HP Estoril Blue back in 2004, so many good memories, raced it a lot too.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@goldstandardS52]

I just purchased a 1999 E36 M3 with 102k miles, 2 owners, well maintained and serviced regularly. Upgraded Vanos, New Head Gaskets, new lifters, complete tune up, all vacuum lines replaced, as well as cooling system, New tires, owned by an elderly man. I drove 6hrs from Ohio to Tennessee to pick up the car, and got it for a price so great that I can’t disclose to the public. It’s just a blessing from God. I will be using it as my daily driver, and park my F10 550i awd Xdrive

[@rekleif]

I have never driven the us spec e36 M3, only the original 286ps cable throttle one but that was an experience not easily forgotten, even over 20 years later......

[@epaminontas6972]

The US spec m3 still has cable throttle, but it only has one throttle body

[@jkmason88]

Despite all the hand-wringing about the motor, a LOT of E36 M3s in the US today have the "normal" bolt-ons, which is enough to be within 10-15 hp of the original 286 hp euro car (243 hp at the wheels is 286 at the crank. Look at the dynos posted on bimmerforums and you'll see a LOT with simple bolt-ons and tunes that are on par). And without all the maintenance / reliability headaches that go along with it.

[@jsquared1013]

@@jkmason88 maintenance / reliability issues on Euro S50's are overblown (usually by S50US owners). The bearings are not much of an issue generally (nothing like the S65/85 or even S54) and the cooling system is actually far better than the US version (water pump doesn't grenade, t-stat housing is metal, no auxiliary tanks to split). The VANOS solenoid seal issue is super-easy and inexpensive to fix.

[@ryanyates8090]

@@jsquared1013 completely overblown by people who’ve never owned a euro spec. The S50B30 is the best engine to ever leave a BMW factory.

[@nightdriver7216]

Then you're not missing out on anything since you have driven the actual M3.

[@CHEDDARANDWAFFLES]

THANK YOU! Thank you for doing deep dives into cars from the 80s-2010s. 99% of people will never own the cars that 99% of videos are made about. Your videos allow us to explore used cars from a new car buyer standpoint and that is FUC*ING cool

[@sambone8213]

When you see a well kept E36 M3 Coupe in the wild, they are stunning. Have aged really really well. it doesn't end there, because they drive as well as they look (:

[@Float_Locker]

Every I take out my Dakar II I get thumbs ups and queries on whether I am interested in selling it. Such a blast to drive every time.

[@ericmlcoch3434]

What a cool take on the US spec e36 M3. I've owned a few and currently have a 3/4/5. Super fun cars to drive and that glovebox skit at the end had me rolling. Yes e36 drivers have an 'extra step' between shifting gears.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@nedhoey]

I bought my e36 coupe new in '97 and it now has 356000 miles on it. Finally replaced the factory clutch about 20000 miles ago. On the 3rd radiator. And just replaced the factory fuel pump last week. 356k on the original fuel pump. One thing is, this engine always used oil and now it uses more. Kind of annoying. The newest issue is the secondary air ducts inside the head are partially clogged with carbon build up so that triggers the check engine light. Most of the secondary air system can be cleaned out the ducts inside the head are very hard to clean out due to a right angle turn inside the head. So not a big deal for driving at all, just passing smog. Anyway it's a great car still even after 25 years and 356k miles. I just keep maintaining it and driving it.

[@robmarsh2217]

Legendary.

[@MrPizzaman09]

How much oil did it use and how much does it use now? I have a 99' with 173k and it needs a quart every 1000-1500 miles. I was wondering if that seemed high to you. My E39 M5 I had used a similar amount of oil when it had less than 100k miles. I hope to drive my E36 M3 until I can't. I'm also wondering if it has the original clutch as well.

[@mattlau]

Spoken like a true BMW enthusiast! Love how you continue to drive it so many years! Good stuff :)

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@grid212]

Impressive to find one with the optional performance glovebox, that is a super limited spec.

[@brandonchism6960]

The level of detail and research going into this video is simply impressive. I now miss my 97 Boston Green Metallic M3 more than ever and in thankful for this video. Jason you and your team rock!!!!

[@danthunderbolton4350]

This guy reminds me when I met Chris Harris years ago with this kind of videos. He is now a reference in this field. Great video about an iconic car. Even the regular versions like my 1997 320i coupe are fun to drive.

[@night-creature2213]

same-ish narration style...even sort of looks like him if you squint just right…both great. Now if only they’d jettison the back up singers and hand Top Gear to Harris...

[@kurtofer7988]

I love every Jason Cammisa video. The entertainment. The knowledge. The sophistication. And then, after watching him drive the car at the end of the videos, I usually can't resist jumping in my car just to go for a drive.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@SupraSav]

The E36's design was the perfect marriage of simplicity and elegance. Canada really owes Tom for keeping the M badge alive.. it's sad they are so ridiculously priced now. I would love an M2. Maybe I need to give Mr. Tom a call since Canada no longer gets RWD variants....

[@leeh9420]

While it would have been nice to have the Euro engine, but the US E36 M3 was a terrific car - fun, balanced, lots of forgiveness-factor and worked great as a daily. I miss mine a lot.

[@MIKEK3NT]

I heard from the forums the US M3 is easier to turbo and can take more boost

[@als4621]

I'm glad I kept mine! 😁

[@georgeyaknowthegeorgeyeathatme]

@@MIKEK3NT yeah the compression ratio is lower so you can run higher psi on your turbo.

[@mrki412]

@@MIKEK3NT I've heard that only idiots tune M cars.

[@MIKEK3NT]

@@mrki412 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@francoisrivard893]

I'd say I'm in agreement. I almost bought one. Quite a few of my track friends had one, we had a ton of fun battling it out in Time Trials. Great platform / pretty light / well balanced. No Nonsense approach. Boy, how far has BMW strayed...

[@j.3854]

….cue 3800+ lb TWO SERIES

[@tractioncontroldelete]

5700lb X ///M has entered the chat

[@nightdriver7216]

BMW has never made light cars. Everything is heavy today.

[@francoisrivard893]

@@nightdriver7216 E36 M3 weighed 3,131 lbs was fairly light for size and class. Current model just a hair under 4,000 lbs. Definitely portly.

[@stephen9869]

That car in the studio is an absolute beauty. The other day I traded my beloved E46 325i M sport for a stage 1 E90 330d with a manual 'box and its a bit of a sleeper.

[@markk3453]

Most people don't read and research outside the box . Bmw made amazing D engines that are reliable, good mpg , tunable and is best kept secret in the world lol

[@KAS470]

I recently moved to an e90 335i from having multiple e36’s. It’s an absolute unit of a car especially have upgraded turbos, kw V2 coilovers, m3 control arms etc, but my heart longs for an e36 m3 more and more as time goes by. It’s like a piercing pain lol I think they’re the best looking 90s German car.

[@Josh_Quillan]

A manual glovebox? Awesome!

[@themidwestdriver2062]

1000x yes! I've spent a good deal of time with the E30, E36, E46 and E90 M3s, and without a doubt the E36 is the best driver's car of the bunch (and no doubt is vastly better than the twin turbo German muscle cars of the most recent generations). The most connected, most well balanced and just one of the best driver's cars ever made. The E46 gets all the love now, but that car has the typical German syrup in the controls and has neither the balance or feel of an E36. Motor was amazing, as is the V8 in the E90 of course, but otherwise, meh. I don't much care that it saved the M brand, as no new M cars are remotely special other than on a stat sheet, but the E36 M3 was the definition of a sport sedan and definition of a driver's car and still would be today if they had kept making it as-is. Thanks for reminding us that BMW used to care.

[@elitesennabubble]

The E36/7 M Roadster S50 an S54 is a delight to drive, I would rather drive it than the M3 as it is slightly lighter, looks better in my opinion (the M3 still looks great) and is a more visceral driving experience

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@DannysGarage]

I've been saying the US spec M3 is superior for years now... the engine is more reliable, it's almost as quick, and there's a ton of em available which meant they were affordable for a long time. So many people got their start in performance driving with used E36 M3's and E36 328i's, they were the best cheap track car for a long time.

[@Joshua_N-A]

Something about the looks makes this gen look timeless ro look at. Also lighter than current models.

[@geraldbuys9853]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The US M3 is in no way superior. You've been told lies. The Euro M3 is NOT unreliable. Not at all. I think people are confusing it with the E46 M3. That was a bit fragile, yes.

[@RA-ov5cw]

@@geraldbuys9853 Yes got an euro 3.0 with around 120k miles and never got any issue with the engine. The problem is everything around it. We call it the e36 life... A friend has a 3.2 with 180k miles on the clock on stock rod bearings and same story. Everything was crap except the engine XD

[@enfantterrible4868]

Its worse in every aspect

[@armejonge6842]

As a S50 3.2 owner for the last 6 years, I can assure you, it's not nearly as quick and the euro engine is just as reliable.

[@kingjaf]

Among it's accolades as best handling car, this car won the "quarter" test, where magazine editors drove over stacks of glued quarters with various sports cars to see what was the smallest stack you could feel at the wheel. The e36m3 won because they could feel precisely when they drove over a stack 2 quarters high. I wonder what cars, if any, could match or do that now. Electric steering racks tend to filter that level of road feel out.

[@flyingphoenix113]

Maybe an Alfa 4c (because no power steering), but those are already out of production. The last M3 with great steering was the E92. Everything after that was mediocrity personified.

[@papa_pt]

@@flyingphoenix113 accurate. The difference in steering between e60 to f10 made me die inside.. truly shocking

[@verdict1163]

That's interesting. Got a link to the test?

[@spacepxl]

I suspect the BRZ/86 could match or beat that. The E36 steering has a rubber bushing/connector in the steering column that mutes road feel significantly, while the good electric power steering systems are functionally much more similar to manual racks, with an electric motor that only kicks in when needed. Having owned both an E36 and an FRS, I can vouch firsthand that the 86 platform not only has much faster steering, but communicates more road feel as well, at least until you upgrade the e36 with stiffer bushings.

[@rafaeltoro8126]

@@verdict1163 No, but I'm pretty sure it was a sidebar to the test "Best Handling car over $30k" Jason references in the video where the car beat the NSX, Viper, etc. If I recall (it was 25yrs ago), the test was born from talking about "stopping on dime" and they literally tested to see if/when they could feel the car hit the coins.

[@Lettered_Routes]

this has quickly become my favorite series on KZbin, and Hagerty my favorite channel. What you guys have done here is incredible, keep it up! For people my age(23) youtube is our car magazine, and this is the best one imo.

[@dreamdrivedrift]

14:45 classic e36 glovebox feature 😂 Owned a E36 M3 for many years. Great car and glad it’s getting time in the spotlight.

[@RA-ov5cw]

I keep the lock closed so mine doesn't fall off. Last time it fell open it broke the retainer tab and was hanging like the piece of junk that it is XD

[@outlaw36sst]

hey ! just saw your video . almost got goose bumps . i am the very proud owner of a 1998 2 doors coupe m3 . topping this is the fact that i bought it brand new in 1998 . i have put over 100 thousand miles on it and it stills makes me smile . man what a car !

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@kevinbucy7818]

I had a '97 E36 M3 4 door with Dinan Stage III Supercharger (340 HP! 4.5 sec 0-60) I put 270K miles on it before I sold it. The only engine parts I ever replaced were belts and idler pulleys! The supercharger ate belts every 10K. Wish I never sold it!

[@ISpinUWin]

Original owner of ‘99 here! Still have it and love it!

[@TheAutoDojo]

As a US E36 owner for nearly 6 years, I would have to agree with all the points you made! The cooling issue gave me a good chuckle. The interior pieces falling apart is a definite e36 issue as well. Thank you for taking the time to document everything through this video. Excellent work!

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@timmietz]

So… I love E36 M3! I finally bought one a few years ago. The car had 100,000 miles on it, it was in good condition and it already had suspension modifications and a full exhaust on it. I went ahead and had the head ported, Shrick cams shaft installed, swapped the transmission for a 6 speed out of an E 46 M3 and finally, and almost most importantly, had the steering rack swapped out for the one out of a Z3. I finished the project by swapping out the headlights for euro e36 m3 ones and re-doing the interior. My 1999 M3 is just awesome! It is now 275 hp at the crank, it sounds amazing and it handles beautifully. I am in my late 40s and I am most definitely gravitating to almost any cool car produced between 1995 and 2015. I have a few really cool, some of them high dollar cars from that vintage. This one definitely stands out even next to some of my cars that are worth 8-12 times more $$$. As a huge BMW fan, and someone that owns a few of them, I can tell you that the only two BMWs that I have ever owned and driven I better than my E36 M3: my 2007 Z4M Coupe and 2020 M2CS 6MT.

[@spencerarts4684]

I just got my first e36 m3 (mind you I said first;) a 98 techno violet 5 speed coupe. I am in love!!!! I’ve wanted one for years! I’ve had a 97 318is for years and had never driven an m3, so coming from the 140hp I couldn’t imagine it would be such a different experience. Boy was I wrong. I’ll never ever complain that mines a US spec, it’s a true M car and damnit it’s the best car ever put on the road!

[@jaskajokunen3716]

I was considering a late 90s m3 too but i read horror stories on the relibility 🤔I got a 350hp volvo s60 instead but pretty sure a volvo is still much more boring to drive 😔

[@nookingo]

This is the first video that I've seen and is the best car video I've seen on KZbin in 10 years

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@vguitarman]

Owned a 96 US spec M3 for a couple years and I never ONCE thought the engine wasn't special enough. If there was one place I wish BMW had spent more money it would be the interior, not the engine.

[@jkmason88]

You'll notice when he was talking about the interior he mentioned they DIDN'T put metal inside the interior panels. On balance, I'll take the lighter weight and deal with addressing interior issues as they crop up (which incidentally, are a much worse problem on coupes than sedans, so maybe I won't deal with them...)

[@vguitarman]

@@jkmason88 I did see that. Makes sense that the interiors don’t hold up well. I had a coupe with pretty high miles and it was a rattle can over anything other than brand new asphalt.

[@jsquared1013]

@@jkmason88 it wasn't about lighter weight, it was for recyclability. Most of the weight gain for the E46 M3 was structural improvements to the chassis (although ironically the rear subframe mounting points somehow seem WORSE on the E46 😆)

[@jkmason88]

@jsquared1013 I'm well aware. Intention only has so much to do with outcome. Unintended consequences aren't always bad. The e36 is the lightest RWD sedan you can purchase in the US going back 30+ years - and it ALL adds up. So intended or not, it mattered. The rear subframe is worse in the e46 because they deleted the reinforcements they added to the e36 M3. Early e36 M3s and non-Ms also had similar problems. The only difference is they fixed it in 96+ M3s, but they never fixed it for the e46s.

[@dustinjohnson9166]

@@jkmason88 Add to that BMW just added about 300 more pounds for those weak E46 mounts to hang on for dear life while drifting or slamming pot holes in town. Lol

[@IWK333]

Living in Europe I have owned the Euro 3.2 e36 for 4.5 years, sold it rather recently... Such an amazing car, it felt brutal and so pure... The sound of the engine just going on and on and when you think you should shift, nope, it has 2.000 more and has just started pulling skin from your face... Then you shift and it starts pulling even more... Well balanced, handled pretty well on D2 Drift coilovers even with 25 or so years of age and far from perfect maintanence... The adrenaline would start pumping when I heard it starting up, with its ear-piercing cold start and an engine tone rougher than sandpaper yet it kept perfectly stable idle... It gave me goosebumps from open road corners, through drift events all the way to stop-and-go traffic... Where it lacked the most was, obviously, interior; so I just stripped it out and sent it... Now, saying how good of a car it really is, yes, the S50B32 had me sweating multiple times, I found myself often being scared to drive it because the engine could just blow up at any moment... But then again, I did a lot of drift events, lots of "spirited" (full throttle, mostly sideways) driving on roads, quite a few road trips (never towed it to events, always drove it), lots of city/daily driving just because I could or my daily would be down for maintanence, and only issues I ever really had were concerning lines from the engine to the oil cooler, they gave out twice and both times engine lost all oil but I shut it off immediately... Of course, it had its own fair share of not running right, rough idle, hickups, backfires and none of those were ever diagnosed; fuel pump gave out and it's a 5bar one exclusive to Euro 3.2 so that was a nightmare to fix, etc. etc. Thinking of it, would I prefer owning the US 3.2? Yes and no, I'd prefer the part of "owning" and maintaining it, but I wouldn't enjoy the driving nearly as much, because the S50B32 is basically a racecar engine in a street car, where the S52B32 wouldn't be able to give me that feeling... All that said, I loved the video, learned a few things myself and it did give me a different perspective on my age old question of "what was BMW even thinking of with the US M3 e36?"

[@Float_Locker]

Well said 👍🏽

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@Schmitzelhaus]

If you ask me, there are no bad E36, especially if you compare them with the current gen. I for one won´t get rid of mine anymore, but my glovebox stays shut at least. Very nice video as always, i´ll keep looking forward to them. As long as i´m allowed to stay as CLASSIC-BMW fanboy. 😉👍

[@brandonchism6960]

I come back to this video every time I get the itch to buy a S50 B32 for my E36. You guys really nailed this one.

[@alexsednev8818]

I've oned a E36 M3 years ago, such a beautiful machine

[@cooperlong5413]

I own 2 E36 sedans- a '97 track car and a '98 sunny day daily. I went from thinking this was the worst chassis to selling my F80 because I kept finding myself choosing the keys to my first E36. Both are just 2.8s because I always seem to be just behind the value curve on M cars, but man do they provide that pure driving experience.

[@carlrice6989]

"98 Sunny day Daily" ,,? sounds like a "Full Auto Convertible" that has NOT been upgraded to a FULLY Manual Top,,, I have that same issue,,, but MY Top is up,, lol

[@dougrobinson8602]

Damn you, Camisa! Now these E36's will become unobtainable, and I've always wanted one.

[@g60corrado91]

They already have haha

[@TheTuulos]

Too late, 10 years ago an e36M or 328i was under $10000, now they are $30000

[@sycclical]

@@TheTuulos where the hell are you looking that theyre 30 grand

[@TheTuulos]

@@sycclical broken ones in Canada that are all rust. You want mint, $60-80 thousand

[@DuBstep115]

@@TheTuulos 10 years ago 328i was more than its now. Now these rust buckets go for 2-4k

[@R8andGT3Fan]

My "attainable car of my dreams". The E36 is to me the best looking BMW ever, its like it never ever gets old! Aaaand it has the best sound of all the I6 engines they made. 😍 Great vid, as always...

[@Nirotceh1]

Same here till I saw the E46.. 🤦‍♂️🤣😅

[@R8andGT3Fan]

@@Nirotceh1 I really like the E46 too!

[@SongXiii]

I had a really hard time choosing between the E36 and E46 M3 when I was in the market for one last year. The E36 is CLEARLY the best looking (imo) and probably my favorite M3 overall, but I ended up going with the slightly more modern, absolutely timeless E46 because it's a bit more practical nowadays. I genuinely dig the raspy sound of the E46 though. To some people, it sounds like a riced out Honda (which I can't really refute) but to me it's peak racecar and I love it. M cars aren't supposed to sound pretty. I'll own both one day...

[@R8andGT3Fan]

@@SongXiii Congrats on that beauty then! The E46 exhaust sounds a bit flat, but the induction noise makes up for it... 😏 Hope the E36 can join its younger brother!

[@OropiOrganics]

This channel is amazing. Petrol in my blood, tire smoke in my lungs and this channel on my playlist.

[@ashman0071]

you are so right Holmes and yes, after 25 years, mine is still in my garage ..........

[@peterl3417]

I love Hagerty, your production value, actual material is great, and the presentation is awesome. Jason Cammisa is the most entertaining car tuber I've ever seen.

[@oceanthirteen1628]

Totally agreed. I’ve no experience driven the US spec E36 M3. But I’ve experience with both Euro and US spec Z3 M Roadsters, and I liked the US spec more.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@passion4cars283]

My hats off to you Jason Cammisa. Sir, your extensive knowledge of sports cars is beyond impressive. You're simply on another level! Keep em coming

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@straightupautomotive]

I had one back in 97. A 95 cosmos black vader seats. My young low income ass couldnt afford the payments at the time so I only had it for 2 years… not long enough to watch it dry rot thankfully. Loved it.

[@bmws14m3]

As the owner of the 1st Dakar yellow e36m3 in Georgia, build date April 1994. Yes, its 1 of the earliest North America M3s. It is the beginning of M sales success. Its now my dual purpose street and track car on its 2nd S50b30US. Proudly Owned it for 21 years now and he is a keeper. I am also OG owner of a 1991 E30M3, 31 years owner and YES, BMW did not know how to sell e30M3s because of the price, 4 cylinders and racer body but those of us who brought them at discount knew how special the e30m3 S14 was and is. Now I also own 1 of the greatest m3 too, 2006 e46m3 competition Interlargos Blue and its SMG and I love it. So my goal is getting closer, 1st 3 generations of NA M3s, 1 more to go e93m3 vert DCT. That will round out my BMW M3 life goal, all NA M3s keeper for life. Btw- my e36m3 doesn't even have the glovebox anymore, took it out bc of track use.

[@joecusato3628]

99 M3 was my first car, drove the balls out of it as a 17 y/o. Drove it until I was a senior in college then swapped the drivetrain into a 325i when the body was ruined in an accident. Just sold the swapped car last year with 170k on the s52. Still had perfect compression on every cylinder, awesome motor. Blessed to have something like that as a first car, with the way the market is today few others will get that experience

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@zetohd5625]

This is a truly interesting story. As a European, I never heard of this before. Thanks!

[@salovila5328]

Moved to Miami in 1996 and was amazed at the amount of M3s driving around. Coming from Europe I mostly saw 318ds. In Miami in rich areas 90% were m3s or cabrios.

[@aadi8568]

@@salovila5328 because cheap fuel in america

[@salovila5328]

@@aadi8568 I would say in the EU, most of the cars sold 5 years ago that cost over 80k Euros are running on diesel. Its mentality, not cost.

[@sv_cheats1970]

@@aadi8568 fuel wasn't expensive in Deutschland in the 90s, second hand cars were fairly cheap. I think lack of parking space had influence on sale of larger cars. Mannheim was and still is pretty crowded.

[@sv_cheats1970]

@Mike pay was good, cars were cheaper. 1500 DEM would get you an ex Taxi Mercedes in decent condition if you were smart with your money.

[@klausm5460]

The E36 came out, when I was 13 and most enthusiastic about things let alone cars. My dad owned an European-spec E36 M3 3.0 sedan, which was an incredible sleeper car in black. In the 90s people on the Autobahn would move over at 110 kph for a car on the acceleration lane, that just seconds later would enter the Autobahn at 150 kph hundreds of meters ahead of them. To me the E46 wasn´t the great leap that most people thought, although with the E46 M3 BMW introduced more changes between standard car and M version. But as a model line overall the E36 was the greater achievement. And yes, the Paul Rosche M engine was very special.

[@Euphorica]

The e46m3 was basically an e36 m3 v1.3 underneath.

[@klausm5460]

@@Euphorica Not quite. Yes, the engine was very similar, but with body structure, suspension and differential BMW introduced extensive changes that went for beyond what distinguished the E46 base model from the E36. Check out how much wider the E46 M3 track was than in the regular car and how much bigger the wheels were (not just the rims, but the actual tire diameter). The E46 M3 shared less than 40 percent of its parts with the E46 coupé.

[@tanvirhussain6106]

Without a doubt in today's world of automotive journalism, Mr camissa is on fire. Thank you

[@simsneon2]

I honestly don’t know why you would let anyone else post this show Jason is the best if Jason doesn’t host it I don’t bother watching it he is as close as it gets to all three of the guys from top gear rolled into one give this man a damn raise and thank you Jason big fan buddy

[@nantan9453]

I had a couple of '95 US M3's and that interior was a symphony of squeaking. Amazing handling and fun factor though. I do miss them!

[@yaseengaffoor]

My friend made me lose the idea of buying one literally because he said it is a rattlebox

[@MachtPlays]

Did the 95s smell like crayons as well lol

[@Xayuap]

this has always been my favorite M3, I think is the prettier, even when I see anyone talking about it. Even Jason Cammisa did as it doesn't exists in the Hagerty M video I even think this is the prettiest sedan ever.

[@MrStamperh]

Cool story bro

[@jsquared1013]

It has electronic port injection and normal syncromesh gears.

[@infidel900rr]

Damn you Jason, now these are going to skyrocket in price! I've owned many awesome cars at this point in my life and the E36 is by far my favorite! I unfortunately had to part with the last one during grad-school and now they're just soo expensive.... I will have another one someday... soon.

[@jasoncampbell3132]

Wanna buy mine in Arizona its a 97 coupe manual with a full mishimoto cooling system, short shift, slightly lowered, stage 2 clutch, black on black, carbon fiber hood l, and much more

[@herbienbrian2]

I would never buy one of these cars for the insane prices they command now, maybe when they were still cheap. A regular e36 is the same thing anyways, you just don't get the M badge bragging rights.

[@jasoncampbell3132]

@@herbienbrian2 thats incorrect you do get different trim, rear end, gearing, horsepower, and a few other things

[@wouteruittenbogaard8257]

I don’t have a driver’s license yet (shot 2 at the exam in a few weeks!) but even without having real driving experience, I connect to the romance of owning a classic car like an M3 by watching Jason’s video’s. Keep up the good work!

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@aaronduran970]

honestly, i saw this video when it first came out and at the time just sold my base RSX. so then, I bought a clean title cammed s52 98 sedan, and im in love all because of being convinced by this video

[@superfast30]

A friend of mine has owned a 36 M3 sedan since the late 90's(back when we were in our early 20's). It had and still such a special feel to it. I feel it was even bigger deal back then to have an M car than it is now. That being said, I truly enjoyed driving it Really felt like a sense of occasion. I currently own a very low mileage e92 M3 and absolutely love it but the the E36 had a more special feel to it. Perhaps my memories are based on my limited experience with other cars at the time. What I can attest to is that it definitely was and still remains to be dead nuts reliable. He's maintained it to the T over the years and it shows. Had never suffered any major failures other than the odd sensor etc.

[@tommynobaka]

Having owned fast and slow cars, I've come to the conclusion that hp and tq are all relative. There's always going to be faster and better cars. It boils down to what strikes your fancy and how well the inputs make you feel. The emotion of driving. That's why I don't really care if the US E36 isn't the real M

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@fistfulofswoon]

This show keeps getting better and better, and everything is so well explained...man, I can't hit the like button enough

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@earlkrygier7649]

OMG, the glove box door at the end. So true! But I find if you lock the glove box it won't open while driving. I own a '97 e36 Sedan and it always makes me smile. Great car.

[@kyleranderson5557]

Hearing both of these back to back was better than any incognito experience I’ve ever had

[@pb7087]

I miss my U.S. spec E36 M3/4/5. It was fantastic, except for the glues coming undone in Georgian heat and the coolant system eventually giving way while I ran it while I popped into a store, only to come out to it overheated which lead to a fine crack in the head. Still, loved it.

[@drewdavis239]

Popped? Or pooped?

[@harkeeratrai8524]

As an E36 M3 Evo owner .. I approve this message 👍🏼

[@Jasontyo]

I am nearly 40. this was the first M3 I ever learned about or saw in real life, I loved the 4 doors dearly. This is the only M3 I care about.

[@Covkiller]

Absolutely correct as you provide the facts of the time. This is what the Internet Warriors are ignorant of. In the 80's and 90's BMWs were so expensive in the UK, you never saw an E30 M3 as it was LHD & an import, and we all knew it was slow. When the E36 M3 came out it was still expensive. In 1998 my E36 M3 coupe cost me £42200 with a good spec. I have another one now and its now going anywhere.

[@themadcentrist9396]

Pro tip: Look up the E46 ZHP. BMW basically used the same formula as the American E36 M3 minus the limited slip dif to create a $3900 option to the E46 with an upgraded M54 motor, a real M suspension and steering rack, and a lower rear dif ratio. The final result is a little faster than an E36 M3 and handles just as well. M exterior trim and custom interior trim round out the package. All without the expense of the S54. The ZHP is also more rare than either the E36 or E46 M3 and it is simply a better daily driver for mere mortals who cant afford to maintain an S54. The only problem is, they are hard to find with only 1400 built and prices are going up.

[@HIBAW]

Drove/owned an e36 4dr for 20+ years. Beautiful. Still ran like a top at 215k. One cooling system replacement :) Really just a radiator neck, but I did all plastic under the hood. Redid the suspension components once. Otherwise, trouble free and amazing car. Chose the same motor in the z3 m coupe. There are no current BMW's that I even want honestly.

[@damilolaakanni]

Looks wise, the E46 just can't be beat. It's only beaten by the E39 M5, but the E9X came very close.

[@rrennnerr]

Saw an E36 M3 in a shop window the other day. I approached the owner and asked if he was thinking about selling. Told me he wanted $15,000, but issue was it was a salvage title. Huge bummer because if he gave the right price I would have bought it on the spot. Still cannot decide between replacing my old, 193k mile Honda civic with a Type R or complementing it with an E36 M3 and owning 2 old, unreliable vehicles.

[@johnpearson492]

I'm in the camp of two old cars. I daily drive an e36 M3 and an Oldsmobile 88. The M3 has been very reliable with the only time needing a tow due to a dead alternator. I'm nuts enough to be shopping for an 80s Jeep to use as the truck I'm soon going to need in my life.

[@infidel900rr]

@@johnpearson492 The E36 is surprisingly reliable. Mine had 200k mi when I sold it and I used to commute almost 2hrs a day. I miss that car a lot.

[@jkmason88]

I hate to tell you, but that's probably a decent deal in today's market. I have 257k miles on mine and still drive it every day. Haha, in fact, Hagerty won't insure it because it's my daily. It may take some work to get it back up to standard, but once that's done you've got smooth sailing for a good 8-10 years before it'll need refreshing again. Much longer if you're not driving it much.

[@jonasbaine3538]

Nope. A crusty old 90s 3 series is not worth $15,000. Hilarious you found it in the shop and owner wants 15 WITH salvage title. That is just as bad as dealer mark ups.

[@jkmason88]

@@jonasbaine3538 I didn't say YOU'D pay $15k for it. I never said it was crusty, either, nor did the OP. I just pointed out that in today's market, that's a decent price for a car with 150k miles, salvage title or no (but especially with documentation). Lots of cars with 175k+ going for $18k+. It's just fact - today's crazy market. You can still find deals, but they're just that - deals. For someone with a good car they've taken care of, $15k is the starting point.

[@hunterjohnson7393]

I was one of those who begged for the M3 sedan. My first was a '98 M3/4, one of the last off the production line (the last batch in Dec '97 were white), bought new in 1997. Amazing car on the track, tremendous grip. Added Euro headlights and the European 3-spoke steering wheel and it was as good as the M52 version. My second was a black '97 that I bought a few years ago that, while still nice, came with a Dinan (Bilstein) suspension that I had to toss (too harsh), a Dinan "cold" air intake (I installed the Euro-spec airbox which flows enough for 320 hp while using the same filter as the US car) and a A/C evaporator leak that took 25 hours of labor to change out. BTW the Euro brakes were 2-piece rotors, superior to the US parts. Once at Watkins Glen I strapped the child seats into the rear and drove with the misses & two small kids during the lunch break (max 50 mph)--people went CRAZY!. The best part of BMWs: The blue/red knob near the HVAC vent that allows cold air on the face and hot air on the feet in cool weather. Very Bavarian. Today, M stands only for "marketing", so that was the last BMW I'll ever own.

[@TreyKing63]

My '98 M3 4D is still solid with 233,000 miles. No smoking, no ticks, no issues. I daily drive it and have for 10 years. Sure plenty of newer cars are quicker in a straight line but oh my in the turns it dominates!!! Yes, mine did the glove box thing too until I replaced the button and spring. Nice video at the end of my drive to work. Nobody wants to play tag any more :(

[@lachlanbrown409]

Loved my 325i E36 Coupe in manual. Had it for more than four years. Drove the E46 M3 in manual many time's but not the E36 M3. Though I was a passenger in the E36 M3 3.0L Euro and it was one a revelation. The handling and acceleration. But watch the cooling system and cheap plastics (why BMW?).

[@JP-xd6fm]

My first car was a used 325i E36 coupe and I still miss it and it has been 20years !!

[@broman1536]

Fantastic story telling as usual

[@Kalepsis]

After owning almost every M car produced, I can say, unequivocally, that the best car BMW ever made is the e39 M5. It's also the only BMW I still own after 20 years.

[@joshbrookes6439]

Ok mate, good for for you. Not entirely sure what (if any) relevance that has but I kinda get the feeling your little spiel is always available for cut n paste right?

[@MrGaryGG48]

Having had both a 530i & 540i e39, that M5 has been on my list for far too long. My current BMW for the last 10 years, has been an '01 330xi 5-spd and while it isn't as fast as I might like, as it passed 205,000 miles, it's still running better than nearly any BMW of that vintage. The new stuff has far too much plastic (I don't know about the floppy glove box door) and too damn many computers!

[@cal.or7]

So heavy, that’s not what M is about

[@klwarhouse]

@@joshbrookes6439 As someone like myself in a similar situation. Context was being created for the OP to state they personally prefer the e39 M5 over all else. Trust me buddy, life become much easier when you drop the snarkiness.

[@caseycat43]

Cars and humor just kind of go together. Content, knowledge, humor and delivery take this show over the top. Every time I watch one I realize I just watched two and want to go back and watch them again. I also realize I miss something every time I watch it again. Thanks and keep making content Jason.

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@fiestahimself9135]

Idc e36 always been my favorite 3 series /m3 , the s50 and s52 sound awesome , doesnt look over the too and fun to drive especially the ones with the zf tranny

[@AdamJDM1]

Great video, I sincerly miss my E36 M3 in Estoril blau metallic. Was such an awesome car! I bought it for $5k so when someone offered me $10k for it, I gladly took it. With only 89k miles and me being the second owner, it was mint. Today it's probably worth about double what I sold it for though, lol. Also, I mentioned this in a previous video, but can Jason please treat those classic magazines with a little more respect? They are now documents of automotive history, and just throwing them around and putting your dirty show on them (go to 5:32) is pretty painful to watch.

[@candasm]

x2 price will be sold in 5min max. Good ones deserves much more.

[@AdamJDM1]

@@candasm Well, mine was an auto so that's probably what would keep the price somewhat down. It's also the only reason I ended up selling it. Was still a sweet ride, the auto that car actually wasn't bad at all for a 90s slushbox.

[@slammedeuros2289]

Have said this for years, I have and will continue to take the US s52 over the euro. The 0-60 is only .2 seconds slower. US spec is bulletproof into the 200,000 mile club, more simplistic ect. Not paying the euro tax for little gains. 6 speed would be nice though

[@romachoz]

And 60-100 is dramatic change. I have USA m3

[@jsquared1013]

The 1/4 mile time has a greater gap, and if you've run both on the highway or on track, it's noticeable (ESPECIALLY if you're comparing 3.2 US vs 3.2 Euro, not the 3.0). Euro S50 have less maintenance issues than the later engines (S54/65/85), a BETTER cooling system than the US car, and the VANOS fix is easy and cheap.

[@romachoz]

@@jsquared1013 sorry, but s54 is best engine, I think when my s52b32 will die (maybe soon, it’s get 2l 10-60 oil on 1000km), I will replace it with s54. E36 with s54 is brilliant car

[@romachoz]

@@jsquared1013 you will have weight of the e36 and torque from s54, and 9k redline

[@crxdelsolsir]

So the e36 M3 essentially had the most "Honda" characteristics (more handling prowess, driver connectivity, balance of enough power to chassis capability, rather than outright extreme power)..interesting.

[@nvl2691]

You have it the wrong way around...

[@ttystikkrocks1042]

These are student some of my favorite car talk videos! Jason refuses to take himself seriously, he's hysterical but deeply knowledgeable about his cars and he's choosing ACCESSIBLE vehicles normal people have a snowball's chance of finding and perhaps even affording! Brilliant! Keep them coming!

[@kornonacob]

I have the m3 e36 many years back, its one of the raw n real driver's car... i sold it for a 996 c4s...

[@angi733]

Love the S50 B32 in my M Coupe! I never used to like the way the E36 looked, but I think it's now coming of age! The E46 M3 is a bit "me too"

[@gabrielchad447]

"Never stop closing the glovebox" 😂😂😂

[@biznatcho7]

That was perfect. And unexpected.

[@jsquared1013]

@@biznatcho7 100% expected if you've owned an E36 🤣

[@stevemartegani]

Its funny, we get this video in the same week Car Wizzard destroys one with a sledge hammer LOL

[@zachjuinio1302]

The quality of this video is remarkable! Been obsessing over the E36 the past few days and this is came at just the right time

[@E36_keo]

Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤

[@vanillaice887]

Hydronic lifters No valvetrain adjustment/runs on automatic transmission fluid,no gear box oil change. Will do 30mpg in 5th gear. Beat everything it was put up against for its generation. U.s spec m3s are terminators with iron block Hearts that boost beyond your aluminum block from chaiwaunne