The U.S. E36 is the M3 to have, even without a real M engine | Jason Cammisa Revelations | Ep. 20

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Within BMW circles, it's a commonly held belief that the U.S.-spec M3 wasn't a "real M3" because it didn't have a real M engine.
The 1995 M3 used a 3.0-liter version of the regular 325i's straight-six - whereas European cars used a special 3.0-liter straight-six with a Independent-throttle-body cylinder head taken from the McLaren F1. The horsepower difference was 240 hp (US) versus 286 PS (DIN.)
To make matters worse, the 1996 and later U.S. M3 used a 3.2-liter that also made 240 hp, whereas the Euro car got a 3.2-liter with 321 PS.
The primary reason for the US engine was financial - the E30 M3 was a sales failure in North America, and BMW NA didn't want to risk another one. The E36 M3 was a bargain - unlike the E30 M3, which was a buzzy, four-cylinder homologation-special race car, the six-cylinder M3 did everything better than the 325i. And instead of an $8000 price premium over the base car, the M3 cost just $3000 more.
The US car was a huge sales success, selling three times the number of cars BMW anticipated. And BMW NA then convinced Germany to add a 4-door sedan, and it outsold even the coupe. The reason - it was a handling high watermark for BMW, a perfectly balanced sports car with a real back seat and daily usability.
The Euro M3 engines were fizzier than the US - the S50B30 revved to 7280 rpm; the S50B32 3.2-liter revved to 7600 rpm. They made amazing noises - but also suffer from some big maintenance issues that the lower-stress U.S. engines don't: spun bearings being the biggest.
Most importantly, in a drag race between the U.S. and Euro cars in this video (both 3.2-liters), they were dead even to 60 mph - and stayed that way through third gear, leaving Cammisa to conclude that the more reliable U.S. car, especially in sedan form, is the E36 to own.
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@jesseboyer
@jesseboyer 2 жыл бұрын
This is genuinely one of the best car shows on KZbin. Jason is a fantastic host.
@xTheOriginalx
@xTheOriginalx 2 жыл бұрын
Very true. Quality production
@greatheightsu
@greatheightsu 2 жыл бұрын
He's the only reason I'm subscribed.
@ROmaniac21
@ROmaniac21 2 жыл бұрын
*roast
@mr_voron
@mr_voron 2 жыл бұрын
I’d argue this is one of the best car shows, period. It’s funny, informative, well written. Jason’s delivery is emmy-worthy and general video production quality is broadcast level. Bravo.
@MrYungKitty
@MrYungKitty 2 жыл бұрын
The reason why all the cars are up in price
@albonfilms
@albonfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Jason, you are an absolute gem. And Anthony behind the camera too! You guys truly are the best on KZbin!!
@conceptofthemind5877
@conceptofthemind5877 2 жыл бұрын
Albon you're here too... oh by the way I'm waiting on your vids!
@conceptofthemind5877
@conceptofthemind5877 2 жыл бұрын
Still salty about not winning that 1000 💪
@matthewrobertson2279
@matthewrobertson2279 2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of Chris Harris? Haha
@BrianRoediger
@BrianRoediger 2 жыл бұрын
Hear hear! Glad fellow gear heads can compliment each other. Like your stuff too good sir ☺️
@ApexMissedxD
@ApexMissedxD 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewrobertson2279 Have you heard of Jeremy Clarkson?
@sdfswords
@sdfswords 2 жыл бұрын
He's absolutely right, had one and only did routine, simple maintenance. Dead reliable and bulletproof, drove it like I stole it for years.
@caseylockwood5512
@caseylockwood5512 2 жыл бұрын
Mine currently has 230k miles on the original motor, still going strong!
@lachlanbrown409
@lachlanbrown409 2 жыл бұрын
Fix failure points and they are freat cars.
@mechy2k2000
@mechy2k2000 2 жыл бұрын
He also right about the plastic interior falling apart and cooling but I still love my e36 :)
@bmw3-er
@bmw3-er 2 жыл бұрын
I changed my cooling system. And it runs fine.
@fastsigns4825
@fastsigns4825 2 жыл бұрын
3 days down in 12 years. And it was my fault.
@EstebanDonJuanCarlos
@EstebanDonJuanCarlos 2 жыл бұрын
Subtle but major: as an earbuds listener, I HIGHLY appreciate that the sound of each car came thru separately.
@TheIrek666
@TheIrek666 2 жыл бұрын
What earbuds have to do with that?
@anthonyferguson7158
@anthonyferguson7158 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheIrek666 Hearing each engine clearly?
@TheIrek666
@TheIrek666 2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyferguson7158 I use headphones and also can hear it clearly.
@anthonyferguson7158
@anthonyferguson7158 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheIrek666 I think that was his point though. Over laptop speakers or a crap system, you wouldn't hear it as clearly. You with headphones and him with buds are getting close to the same experience.
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 жыл бұрын
That ending lol. Laughter is contagious. It seems like to me the 90's was the era of pinnacle of car designs. E36, even with bone stock look still looks better yet somehow look timeless to look at. Credit goes to the designer where it dues.
@sdb87149
@sdb87149 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree. There’s something so sexy about the body look of this car and even the early 90s Mercedes were similar. Seems like everyone loves the e46 but I’ve always thought the 36 looks better
@ToddGlasier
@ToddGlasier 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! Clean and slick. My gf at the time said it looked kind of boxy. I dumped her. My 1998 coupe felt like an extension of my body, "fit like a glove" and drove like a go-kart on methamphetamine at the race track, and yet perfectly civil commuting to work daily.
@TotallyNotASpy1
@TotallyNotASpy1 2 жыл бұрын
They can make modern Beamers as aesthetically complex and full of edges but that design language will never compare to these. I miss the old models...
@Elosee
@Elosee 2 жыл бұрын
yeaaaa i had to laugh, my euro e36 M3 is currently parked with self opening glovebox removed mid attempt to fix it hahaha
@acooper111982
@acooper111982 2 жыл бұрын
90s cars are without a doubt where it’s at! Modern mechanical processes meant reliability, but without more modern, complex electronics that are less durable by nature
@2HRenovation
@2HRenovation 2 жыл бұрын
Prices for these are already ridiculous. Thank you, Jason.
@ericbishop6861
@ericbishop6861 2 жыл бұрын
I know right!!!! These were my favorite cars when I was a kid.
@jae9843
@jae9843 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericbishop6861 Same. The E36 M3 and 996 Turbo were my "dream" cars as a little kid. I've always loved the E36 design over the bulbous E46, but obviously I'm in the minority.
@nixaeagle141
@nixaeagle141 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly , and were in the teens a couple years ago .
@samteks125
@samteks125 2 жыл бұрын
Hated them back then. But everything desirable from that time is pretty much unobtainable now. Sigh...
@e28forever30
@e28forever30 2 жыл бұрын
@@jae9843 I’ve owned 4 E36 cars, (not M3) and they are easily my favourite 3 series. Absolutely reliable, easy to live with, stylish, I would still enjoy driving one in 2022. The only reason I switched to the E39 is threefold: 2 sons an a daughter..🙂
@thomasxl200
@thomasxl200 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has seriously considered a Euro-spec E36 M3, I can confirm that I now have a photo of Jason Cammisa hanging on the cross in my room.
@ApKieras
@ApKieras 2 жыл бұрын
You should erect an altar.
@thomasxl200
@thomasxl200 2 жыл бұрын
@@ApKieras An altar to 100 hp/liter
@Hole_Motorsports
@Hole_Motorsports 2 жыл бұрын
S54 swapped e36>euro e36 anyways
@rturner4205
@rturner4205 2 жыл бұрын
In Cammisa we trust
@sirloin4372
@sirloin4372 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasxl200 that’s it? My car is 4 cylinder and makes 135hp per liter.
@Mclovin2469
@Mclovin2469 2 жыл бұрын
The E36 design has aged surprisingly well. Never liked how they looked until recently but they look great now, especially with those gorgeous wheels
@derbigpr500
@derbigpr500 2 жыл бұрын
Because they're objectively well designed. They'll always look great because they're not a victim of contemporary trends or over-designing that we see today.
@jafu745
@jafu745 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you're joking, this was one of the best designs of the 90ies, the likes of which BMW themselves only ever bettered with the E39 and nothing ever since.
@sixtyoneeight
@sixtyoneeight 2 жыл бұрын
@@jafu745 E39 M3 design is awful and forgettable. E36 was the pinnacle.
@vladislavdimitrov4646
@vladislavdimitrov4646 2 жыл бұрын
@@jafu745 E46 M3 ?
@e28forever30
@e28forever30 2 жыл бұрын
@@jafu745 I absolutely agree, always liked the E36 a lot, especially with an M package and a nice set of 17” wheels.
@bjsmithart
@bjsmithart 2 жыл бұрын
I remember sitting in a marketing class in college in the mid 90s and flipping open a car magazine. The silhouette of a silver E36 M3 was featured in a tire ad. It was so powerful, I remember that moment almost 30 years later. I’ve been in love with that car ever since. I still hope to have one some day.
@LordToxygene
@LordToxygene 2 жыл бұрын
BFGoodrich, right?
@ToddGlasier
@ToddGlasier 2 жыл бұрын
Same thing for me, it was the Car & Driver "Best handling car over $30k" article in the mid 90's. Luckily within 5 yrs I owned a cherry 1998 coupe in Arctic Silver! Almost cried the day it drove away 14 years later...
@andydhillon1977
@andydhillon1977 2 жыл бұрын
@@LordToxygene That E36 M3 BF Goodrich poster was so iconic!
@rdzed3505
@rdzed3505 11 ай бұрын
Yep. 1997 E36 M3 in Arctic Silver with the classic 18" BBS Hockenheim spoked wheels. Loved that ad. Remember it like yesterday. ❤
@rdzed3505
@rdzed3505 11 ай бұрын
​@ToddGlasier I had a new Arctic Grey 94' 325is coupe I adored but decided to trade it in, in 97 for a new Estoril Blue Metallic M3 coupe. I loved that car. Unfortunately had to sell it in 2002. Best car I've ever owned including the shitty plastic adhesives they used. 😊
@chrisgeorgiou301
@chrisgeorgiou301 2 жыл бұрын
As a E36 Owner and E36 Enthusiast, this is the best video ever produced about the car, hands down!
@SammyIsWhammy
@SammyIsWhammy Жыл бұрын
How’s the maintenance on it?
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@sidefx996
@sidefx996 2 жыл бұрын
Grew up with American muscle cars and finally got to drive my friend's '95. He gets a new 911 every 3 years but the M3 is a keeper (he's owned it since new). He threw me the keys and I just drove. Nowhere in particular. An hour went by and I was just driving. The hype is real. An absolutely magical car. Couldn't remember the last time I just lost track of time and just drove for fun with no particular place to go. Nicest driving car I've ever been in.
@treeleaf6471
@treeleaf6471 2 жыл бұрын
EVERY 3 YEARS. wow
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 жыл бұрын
Every 3 years? WTF?
@sidefx996
@sidefx996 2 жыл бұрын
@@Joshua_N-A The joys of being single...
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 жыл бұрын
@@sidefx996 I thought owners keep them running for years.
@sidefx996
@sidefx996 2 жыл бұрын
@@Joshua_N-A Oh I'm sure plenty do. He keeps them very nice and they're still perfect when he trades them in he just likes to get a brand new one every few years.
@shoegeezer63
@shoegeezer63 2 жыл бұрын
Jason is an incredible host, and anyone who writes off the E36 M3 solely because of the S52 is missing out. Such a great and accessible driving experience - there's a reason you see so many at track days and other motorsports events
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, if the Euro version never existed, or the world wide version was the US model, everyone would still absolutely love it. The US M3 is a seriously fun car with the perfect amount of power and smooth smooth torque for the chassis. I've been daily driving one for the past 3 years, and I can't think of a single vehicle I'd want to replace it with, at any cost.
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 2 жыл бұрын
@@kjh4112 You are probably right. Though I've driven e46 M3s, they just felt like a smaller version of the e39 M5 I had. Not as raw or as exciting as the e36.
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
@John Pearson I've been dailying one for ten years. It doesn't get old. I could replace it with a new M3 - or 911 for that matter. Not interested. I did put a GS6-37 6 speed in it, but no S54 for me. The E46's 333hp isn't much by today's standards, so what are you chasing? I've known several friends who have chased power until they've ruined their cars - and still never been satisfied. Like I said - this car never gets old.
@Schmitzelhaus
@Schmitzelhaus 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkmason88 Couldn´t agree more! 👍
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpearson492 in 2022, no one in their right mind would buy US SPEC E36 M3 over 328i. Just get 328i, the car literally dynoes 220hp 310Nm stock. Slap some good suspension and you are good to go.
@moneeb343
@moneeb343 2 жыл бұрын
Every single episode has me opening new craigslist tabs. That's good writing. Great work Cammisa and Hagerty.
@AbzAden
@AbzAden 2 жыл бұрын
Also each episode just makes each car that much more expensive lol 😆
@Cambone13
@Cambone13 2 жыл бұрын
Oof buying a 25 year old BMW on craigslist is like raw dogging a hooker. Risky!
@Tooob
@Tooob 2 жыл бұрын
I purchased a 1997 M3 Sedan for $42k brand new in '97 and I still drive it today. After installing a lifetime water pump from FCP Euro and Mishimoto full aluminum radiator I've had no cooling issues for over a decade.
@mrkeopele
@mrkeopele 10 ай бұрын
i'm 67, after years and hundreds of cars,of lots of hp and dollars, i'm riding ebikes now, but, i got a $600 1992 325is and i am in love and awe of BMW again, this car is crazy fun to drive and great to work on. thanks for the right on video i smile in mine too!! someone else modded the glovebox already for me!!
@baloonia1
@baloonia1 2 жыл бұрын
The self opening glovebox is an Entertainment Feature, come on now Cammisa you know this.
@googleleavemynamealone9145
@googleleavemynamealone9145 2 жыл бұрын
who says the Germans have no humor!
@elijahsalberg1604
@elijahsalberg1604 2 жыл бұрын
I just keep mine locked, problem solved
@derbigpr500
@derbigpr500 2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why the glovebox has a lock on it lol.
@seanpauldotcom5275
@seanpauldotcom5275 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@jasonw7497
@jasonw7497 2 жыл бұрын
The krauts knew the owners would put glovebox gauges in it.
@aakar1s
@aakar1s 2 жыл бұрын
The longer driving segment is highly approved, especially without music.
@dustinjohnson9166
@dustinjohnson9166 2 жыл бұрын
Throw a nice set of headphones on for it too and you can hear the subtle engine differences as they are side specific! Neat!
@mattconns626
@mattconns626 2 жыл бұрын
As an owner of an E36 M3, I'm so happy my red headed step child is getting some love from somebody that I respect.
@robinbanks9221
@robinbanks9221 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@kurtofer7988
@kurtofer7988 2 жыл бұрын
I love every Jason Cammisa video. The entertainment. The knowledge. The sophistication. And then, after watching him drive the car at the end of the videos, I usually can't resist jumping in my car just to go for a drive.
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@nedhoey
@nedhoey 2 жыл бұрын
I bought my e36 coupe new in '97 and it now has 356000 miles on it. Finally replaced the factory clutch about 20000 miles ago. On the 3rd radiator. And just replaced the factory fuel pump last week. 356k on the original fuel pump. One thing is, this engine always used oil and now it uses more. Kind of annoying. The newest issue is the secondary air ducts inside the head are partially clogged with carbon build up so that triggers the check engine light. Most of the secondary air system can be cleaned out the ducts inside the head are very hard to clean out due to a right angle turn inside the head. So not a big deal for driving at all, just passing smog. Anyway it's a great car still even after 25 years and 356k miles. I just keep maintaining it and driving it.
@robmarsh2217
@robmarsh2217 2 жыл бұрын
Legendary.
@MrPizzaman09
@MrPizzaman09 2 жыл бұрын
How much oil did it use and how much does it use now? I have a 99' with 173k and it needs a quart every 1000-1500 miles. I was wondering if that seemed high to you. My E39 M5 I had used a similar amount of oil when it had less than 100k miles. I hope to drive my E36 M3 until I can't. I'm also wondering if it has the original clutch as well.
@mattlau
@mattlau 2 жыл бұрын
Spoken like a true BMW enthusiast! Love how you continue to drive it so many years! Good stuff :)
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@CHEDDARANDWAFFLES
@CHEDDARANDWAFFLES 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Thank you for doing deep dives into cars from the 80s-2010s. 99% of people will never own the cars that 99% of videos are made about. Your videos allow us to explore used cars from a new car buyer standpoint and that is FUC*ING cool
@rekleif
@rekleif 2 жыл бұрын
I have never driven the us spec e36 M3, only the original 286ps cable throttle one but that was an experience not easily forgotten, even over 20 years later......
@epaminontas6972
@epaminontas6972 2 жыл бұрын
The US spec m3 still has cable throttle, but it only has one throttle body
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
Despite all the hand-wringing about the motor, a LOT of E36 M3s in the US today have the "normal" bolt-ons, which is enough to be within 10-15 hp of the original 286 hp euro car (243 hp at the wheels is 286 at the crank. Look at the dynos posted on bimmerforums and you'll see a LOT with simple bolt-ons and tunes that are on par). And without all the maintenance / reliability headaches that go along with it.
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkmason88 maintenance / reliability issues on Euro S50's are overblown (usually by S50US owners). The bearings are not much of an issue generally (nothing like the S65/85 or even S54) and the cooling system is actually far better than the US version (water pump doesn't grenade, t-stat housing is metal, no auxiliary tanks to split). The VANOS solenoid seal issue is super-easy and inexpensive to fix.
@ryanyates8090
@ryanyates8090 2 жыл бұрын
@@jsquared1013 completely overblown by people who’ve never owned a euro spec. The S50B30 is the best engine to ever leave a BMW factory.
@nightdriver7216
@nightdriver7216 2 жыл бұрын
Then you're not missing out on anything since you have driven the actual M3.
@sambone8213
@sambone8213 2 жыл бұрын
When you see a well kept E36 M3 Coupe in the wild, they are stunning. Have aged really really well. it doesn't end there, because they drive as well as they look (:
@Float_Locker
@Float_Locker 2 жыл бұрын
Every I take out my Dakar II I get thumbs ups and queries on whether I am interested in selling it. Such a blast to drive every time.
@ericmlcoch3434
@ericmlcoch3434 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool take on the US spec e36 M3. I've owned a few and currently have a 3/4/5. Super fun cars to drive and that glovebox skit at the end had me rolling. Yes e36 drivers have an 'extra step' between shifting gears.
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@DannysGarage
@DannysGarage 2 жыл бұрын
I've been saying the US spec M3 is superior for years now... the engine is more reliable, it's almost as quick, and there's a ton of em available which meant they were affordable for a long time. So many people got their start in performance driving with used E36 M3's and E36 328i's, they were the best cheap track car for a long time.
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 жыл бұрын
Something about the looks makes this gen look timeless ro look at. Also lighter than current models.
@geraldbuys9853
@geraldbuys9853 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The US M3 is in no way superior. You've been told lies. The Euro M3 is NOT unreliable. Not at all. I think people are confusing it with the E46 M3. That was a bit fragile, yes.
@RA-ov5cw
@RA-ov5cw 2 жыл бұрын
@@geraldbuys9853 Yes got an euro 3.0 with around 120k miles and never got any issue with the engine. The problem is everything around it. We call it the e36 life... A friend has a 3.2 with 180k miles on the clock on stock rod bearings and same story. Everything was crap except the engine XD
@enfantterrible4868
@enfantterrible4868 2 жыл бұрын
Its worse in every aspect
@armejonge6842
@armejonge6842 2 жыл бұрын
As a S50 3.2 owner for the last 6 years, I can assure you, it's not nearly as quick and the euro engine is just as reliable.
@brandonchism6960
@brandonchism6960 2 жыл бұрын
The level of detail and research going into this video is simply impressive. I now miss my 97 Boston Green Metallic M3 more than ever and in thankful for this video. Jason you and your team rock!!!!
@francoisrivard893
@francoisrivard893 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say I'm in agreement. I almost bought one. Quite a few of my track friends had one, we had a ton of fun battling it out in Time Trials. Great platform / pretty light / well balanced. No Nonsense approach. Boy, how far has BMW strayed...
@j.3854
@j.3854 2 жыл бұрын
….cue 3800+ lb TWO SERIES
@tractioncontroldelete
@tractioncontroldelete 2 жыл бұрын
5700lb X ///M has entered the chat
@nightdriver7216
@nightdriver7216 2 жыл бұрын
BMW has never made light cars. Everything is heavy today.
@francoisrivard893
@francoisrivard893 2 жыл бұрын
@@nightdriver7216 E36 M3 weighed 3,131 lbs was fairly light for size and class. Current model just a hair under 4,000 lbs. Definitely portly.
@danthunderbolton4350
@danthunderbolton4350 2 жыл бұрын
This guy reminds me when I met Chris Harris years ago with this kind of videos. He is now a reference in this field. Great video about an iconic car. Even the regular versions like my 1997 320i coupe are fun to drive.
@night-creature2213
@night-creature2213 2 жыл бұрын
same-ish narration style...even sort of looks like him if you squint just right…both great. Now if only they’d jettison the back up singers and hand Top Gear to Harris...
@themidwestdriver2062
@themidwestdriver2062 2 жыл бұрын
1000x yes! I've spent a good deal of time with the E30, E36, E46 and E90 M3s, and without a doubt the E36 is the best driver's car of the bunch (and no doubt is vastly better than the twin turbo German muscle cars of the most recent generations). The most connected, most well balanced and just one of the best driver's cars ever made. The E46 gets all the love now, but that car has the typical German syrup in the controls and has neither the balance or feel of an E36. Motor was amazing, as is the V8 in the E90 of course, but otherwise, meh. I don't much care that it saved the M brand, as no new M cars are remotely special other than on a stat sheet, but the E36 M3 was the definition of a sport sedan and definition of a driver's car and still would be today if they had kept making it as-is. Thanks for reminding us that BMW used to care.
@elitesennabubble
@elitesennabubble 2 жыл бұрын
The E36/7 M Roadster S50 an S54 is a delight to drive, I would rather drive it than the M3 as it is slightly lighter, looks better in my opinion (the M3 still looks great) and is a more visceral driving experience
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@SupraSav
@SupraSav 11 ай бұрын
The E36's design was the perfect marriage of simplicity and elegance. Canada really owes Tom for keeping the M badge alive.. it's sad they are so ridiculously priced now. I would love an M2. Maybe I need to give Mr. Tom a call since Canada no longer gets RWD variants....
@leeh9420
@leeh9420 2 жыл бұрын
While it would have been nice to have the Euro engine, but the US E36 M3 was a terrific car - fun, balanced, lots of forgiveness-factor and worked great as a daily. I miss mine a lot.
@MIKEK3NT
@MIKEK3NT 2 жыл бұрын
I heard from the forums the US M3 is easier to turbo and can take more boost
@als4621
@als4621 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I kept mine! 😁
@georgeyaknowthegeorgeyeathatme
@georgeyaknowthegeorgeyeathatme 2 жыл бұрын
@@MIKEK3NT yeah the compression ratio is lower so you can run higher psi on your turbo.
@mrki412
@mrki412 2 жыл бұрын
@@MIKEK3NT I've heard that only idiots tune M cars.
@MIKEK3NT
@MIKEK3NT 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrki412 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Lettered_Routes
@Lettered_Routes 2 жыл бұрын
this has quickly become my favorite series on KZbin, and Hagerty my favorite channel. What you guys have done here is incredible, keep it up! For people my age(23) youtube is our car magazine, and this is the best one imo.
@vguitarman
@vguitarman 2 жыл бұрын
Owned a 96 US spec M3 for a couple years and I never ONCE thought the engine wasn't special enough. If there was one place I wish BMW had spent more money it would be the interior, not the engine.
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
You'll notice when he was talking about the interior he mentioned they DIDN'T put metal inside the interior panels. On balance, I'll take the lighter weight and deal with addressing interior issues as they crop up (which incidentally, are a much worse problem on coupes than sedans, so maybe I won't deal with them...)
@vguitarman
@vguitarman 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkmason88 I did see that. Makes sense that the interiors don’t hold up well. I had a coupe with pretty high miles and it was a rattle can over anything other than brand new asphalt.
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkmason88 it wasn't about lighter weight, it was for recyclability. Most of the weight gain for the E46 M3 was structural improvements to the chassis (although ironically the rear subframe mounting points somehow seem WORSE on the E46 😆)
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
@jsquared1013 I'm well aware. Intention only has so much to do with outcome. Unintended consequences aren't always bad. The e36 is the lightest RWD sedan you can purchase in the US going back 30+ years - and it ALL adds up. So intended or not, it mattered. The rear subframe is worse in the e46 because they deleted the reinforcements they added to the e36 M3. Early e36 M3s and non-Ms also had similar problems. The only difference is they fixed it in 96+ M3s, but they never fixed it for the e46s.
@dustinjohnson9166
@dustinjohnson9166 2 жыл бұрын
@@jkmason88 Add to that BMW just added about 300 more pounds for those weak E46 mounts to hang on for dear life while drifting or slamming pot holes in town. Lol
@EliteSwedenPhotography
@EliteSwedenPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
Had a 1997 BMW M3 3.2L 321HP Estoril Blue back in 2004, so many good memories, raced it a lot too.
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@kevinbucy7818
@kevinbucy7818 2 жыл бұрын
I had a '97 E36 M3 4 door with Dinan Stage III Supercharger (340 HP! 4.5 sec 0-60) I put 270K miles on it before I sold it. The only engine parts I ever replaced were belts and idler pulleys! The supercharger ate belts every 10K. Wish I never sold it!
@kingjaf
@kingjaf 2 жыл бұрын
Among it's accolades as best handling car, this car won the "quarter" test, where magazine editors drove over stacks of glued quarters with various sports cars to see what was the smallest stack you could feel at the wheel. The e36m3 won because they could feel precisely when they drove over a stack 2 quarters high. I wonder what cars, if any, could match or do that now. Electric steering racks tend to filter that level of road feel out.
@flyingphoenix113
@flyingphoenix113 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe an Alfa 4c (because no power steering), but those are already out of production. The last M3 with great steering was the E92. Everything after that was mediocrity personified.
@papa_pt
@papa_pt 2 жыл бұрын
@@flyingphoenix113 accurate. The difference in steering between e60 to f10 made me die inside.. truly shocking
@verdict1163
@verdict1163 2 жыл бұрын
That's interesting. Got a link to the test?
@spacepxl
@spacepxl 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect the BRZ/86 could match or beat that. The E36 steering has a rubber bushing/connector in the steering column that mutes road feel significantly, while the good electric power steering systems are functionally much more similar to manual racks, with an electric motor that only kicks in when needed. Having owned both an E36 and an FRS, I can vouch firsthand that the 86 platform not only has much faster steering, but communicates more road feel as well, at least until you upgrade the e36 with stiffer bushings.
@rafaeltoro8126
@rafaeltoro8126 2 жыл бұрын
@@verdict1163 No, but I'm pretty sure it was a sidebar to the test "Best Handling car over $30k" Jason references in the video where the car beat the NSX, Viper, etc. If I recall (it was 25yrs ago), the test was born from talking about "stopping on dime" and they literally tested to see if/when they could feel the car hit the coins.
@stephen9869
@stephen9869 2 жыл бұрын
That car in the studio is an absolute beauty. The other day I traded my beloved E46 325i M sport for a stage 1 E90 330d with a manual 'box and its a bit of a sleeper.
@markk3453
@markk3453 2 жыл бұрын
Most people don't read and research outside the box . Bmw made amazing D engines that are reliable, good mpg , tunable and is best kept secret in the world lol
@KAS470
@KAS470 2 жыл бұрын
I recently moved to an e90 335i from having multiple e36’s. It’s an absolute unit of a car especially have upgraded turbos, kw V2 coilovers, m3 control arms etc, but my heart longs for an e36 m3 more and more as time goes by. It’s like a piercing pain lol I think they’re the best looking 90s German car.
@Josh_Quillan
@Josh_Quillan 2 жыл бұрын
A manual glovebox? Awesome!
@timmietz
@timmietz 2 жыл бұрын
So… I love E36 M3! I finally bought one a few years ago. The car had 100,000 miles on it, it was in good condition and it already had suspension modifications and a full exhaust on it. I went ahead and had the head ported, Shrick cams shaft installed, swapped the transmission for a 6 speed out of an E 46 M3 and finally, and almost most importantly, had the steering rack swapped out for the one out of a Z3. I finished the project by swapping out the headlights for euro e36 m3 ones and re-doing the interior. My 1999 M3 is just awesome! It is now 275 hp at the crank, it sounds amazing and it handles beautifully. I am in my late 40s and I am most definitely gravitating to almost any cool car produced between 1995 and 2015. I have a few really cool, some of them high dollar cars from that vintage. This one definitely stands out even next to some of my cars that are worth 8-12 times more $$$. As a huge BMW fan, and someone that owns a few of them, I can tell you that the only two BMWs that I have ever owned and driven I better than my E36 M3: my 2007 Z4M Coupe and 2020 M2CS 6MT.
@joecusato3628
@joecusato3628 2 жыл бұрын
99 M3 was my first car, drove the balls out of it as a 17 y/o. Drove it until I was a senior in college then swapped the drivetrain into a 325i when the body was ruined in an accident. Just sold the swapped car last year with 170k on the s52. Still had perfect compression on every cylinder, awesome motor. Blessed to have something like that as a first car, with the way the market is today few others will get that experience
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@oceanthirteen1628
@oceanthirteen1628 Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed. I’ve no experience driven the US spec E36 M3. But I’ve experience with both Euro and US spec Z3 M Roadsters, and I liked the US spec more.
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@TheAutoDojo
@TheAutoDojo 2 жыл бұрын
As a US E36 owner for nearly 6 years, I would have to agree with all the points you made! The cooling issue gave me a good chuckle. The interior pieces falling apart is a definite e36 issue as well. Thank you for taking the time to document everything through this video. Excellent work!
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@Schmitzelhaus
@Schmitzelhaus 2 жыл бұрын
If you ask me, there are no bad E36, especially if you compare them with the current gen. I for one won´t get rid of mine anymore, but my glovebox stays shut at least. Very nice video as always, i´ll keep looking forward to them. As long as i´m allowed to stay as CLASSIC-BMW fanboy. 😉👍
@grid212
@grid212 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive to find one with the optional performance glovebox, that is a super limited spec.
@OropiOrganics
@OropiOrganics 7 ай бұрын
This channel is amazing. Petrol in my blood, tire smoke in my lungs and this channel on my playlist.
@carguy3645
@carguy3645 2 жыл бұрын
I owned a 1995 M3 for years and that car was one of the most awesome cars I ever owned. Loads of fun very well balanced and enough power to get you into trouble. One of BMWs best platforms.
@cooperlong5413
@cooperlong5413 2 жыл бұрын
I own 2 E36 sedans- a '97 track car and a '98 sunny day daily. I went from thinking this was the worst chassis to selling my F80 because I kept finding myself choosing the keys to my first E36. Both are just 2.8s because I always seem to be just behind the value curve on M cars, but man do they provide that pure driving experience.
@carlrice6989
@carlrice6989 2 жыл бұрын
"98 Sunny day Daily" ,,? sounds like a "Full Auto Convertible" that has NOT been upgraded to a FULLY Manual Top,,, I have that same issue,,, but MY Top is up,, lol
@dreamdrivedrift
@dreamdrivedrift 2 жыл бұрын
14:45 classic e36 glovebox feature 😂 Owned a E36 M3 for many years. Great car and glad it’s getting time in the spotlight.
@RA-ov5cw
@RA-ov5cw 2 жыл бұрын
I keep the lock closed so mine doesn't fall off. Last time it fell open it broke the retainer tab and was hanging like the piece of junk that it is XD
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 2 жыл бұрын
Damn you, Camisa! Now these E36's will become unobtainable, and I've always wanted one.
@g60corrado91
@g60corrado91 2 жыл бұрын
They already have haha
@TheTuulos
@TheTuulos 2 жыл бұрын
Too late, 10 years ago an e36M or 328i was under $10000, now they are $30000
@sycclical
@sycclical 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTuulos where the hell are you looking that theyre 30 grand
@TheTuulos
@TheTuulos 2 жыл бұрын
@@sycclical broken ones in Canada that are all rust. You want mint, $60-80 thousand
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTuulos 10 years ago 328i was more than its now. Now these rust buckets go for 2-4k
@Covkiller
@Covkiller 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct as you provide the facts of the time. This is what the Internet Warriors are ignorant of. In the 80's and 90's BMWs were so expensive in the UK, you never saw an E30 M3 as it was LHD & an import, and we all knew it was slow. When the E36 M3 came out it was still expensive. In 1998 my E36 M3 coupe cost me £42200 with a good spec. I have another one now and its now going anywhere.
@hunterjohnson7393
@hunterjohnson7393 2 жыл бұрын
I was one of those who begged for the M3 sedan. My first was a '98 M3/4, one of the last off the production line (the last batch in Dec '97 were white), bought new in 1997. Amazing car on the track, tremendous grip. Added Euro headlights and the European 3-spoke steering wheel and it was as good as the M52 version. My second was a black '97 that I bought a few years ago that, while still nice, came with a Dinan (Bilstein) suspension that I had to toss (too harsh), a Dinan "cold" air intake (I installed the Euro-spec airbox which flows enough for 320 hp while using the same filter as the US car) and a A/C evaporator leak that took 25 hours of labor to change out. BTW the Euro brakes were 2-piece rotors, superior to the US parts. Once at Watkins Glen I strapped the child seats into the rear and drove with the misses & two small kids during the lunch break (max 50 mph)--people went CRAZY!. The best part of BMWs: The blue/red knob near the HVAC vent that allows cold air on the face and hot air on the feet in cool weather. Very Bavarian. Today, M stands only for "marketing", so that was the last BMW I'll ever own.
@ISpinUWin
@ISpinUWin 2 жыл бұрын
Original owner of ‘99 here! Still have it and love it!
@IWK333
@IWK333 2 жыл бұрын
Living in Europe I have owned the Euro 3.2 e36 for 4.5 years, sold it rather recently... Such an amazing car, it felt brutal and so pure... The sound of the engine just going on and on and when you think you should shift, nope, it has 2.000 more and has just started pulling skin from your face... Then you shift and it starts pulling even more... Well balanced, handled pretty well on D2 Drift coilovers even with 25 or so years of age and far from perfect maintanence... The adrenaline would start pumping when I heard it starting up, with its ear-piercing cold start and an engine tone rougher than sandpaper yet it kept perfectly stable idle... It gave me goosebumps from open road corners, through drift events all the way to stop-and-go traffic... Where it lacked the most was, obviously, interior; so I just stripped it out and sent it... Now, saying how good of a car it really is, yes, the S50B32 had me sweating multiple times, I found myself often being scared to drive it because the engine could just blow up at any moment... But then again, I did a lot of drift events, lots of "spirited" (full throttle, mostly sideways) driving on roads, quite a few road trips (never towed it to events, always drove it), lots of city/daily driving just because I could or my daily would be down for maintanence, and only issues I ever really had were concerning lines from the engine to the oil cooler, they gave out twice and both times engine lost all oil but I shut it off immediately... Of course, it had its own fair share of not running right, rough idle, hickups, backfires and none of those were ever diagnosed; fuel pump gave out and it's a 5bar one exclusive to Euro 3.2 so that was a nightmare to fix, etc. etc. Thinking of it, would I prefer owning the US 3.2? Yes and no, I'd prefer the part of "owning" and maintaining it, but I wouldn't enjoy the driving nearly as much, because the S50B32 is basically a racecar engine in a street car, where the S52B32 wouldn't be able to give me that feeling... All that said, I loved the video, learned a few things myself and it did give me a different perspective on my age old question of "what was BMW even thinking of with the US M3 e36?"
@Float_Locker
@Float_Locker 2 жыл бұрын
Well said 👍🏽
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@R8andGT3Fan
@R8andGT3Fan 2 жыл бұрын
My "attainable car of my dreams". The E36 is to me the best looking BMW ever, its like it never ever gets old! Aaaand it has the best sound of all the I6 engines they made. 😍 Great vid, as always...
@Nirotceh1
@Nirotceh1 2 жыл бұрын
Same here till I saw the E46.. 🤦‍♂️🤣😅
@R8andGT3Fan
@R8andGT3Fan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nirotceh1 I really like the E46 too!
@SongXiii
@SongXiii 2 жыл бұрын
I had a really hard time choosing between the E36 and E46 M3 when I was in the market for one last year. The E36 is CLEARLY the best looking (imo) and probably my favorite M3 overall, but I ended up going with the slightly more modern, absolutely timeless E46 because it's a bit more practical nowadays. I genuinely dig the raspy sound of the E46 though. To some people, it sounds like a riced out Honda (which I can't really refute) but to me it's peak racecar and I love it. M cars aren't supposed to sound pretty. I'll own both one day...
@R8andGT3Fan
@R8andGT3Fan 2 жыл бұрын
@@SongXiii Congrats on that beauty then! The E46 exhaust sounds a bit flat, but the induction noise makes up for it... 😏 Hope the E36 can join its younger brother!
@superfast30
@superfast30 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine has owned a 36 M3 sedan since the late 90's(back when we were in our early 20's). It had and still such a special feel to it. I feel it was even bigger deal back then to have an M car than it is now. That being said, I truly enjoyed driving it Really felt like a sense of occasion. I currently own a very low mileage e92 M3 and absolutely love it but the the E36 had a more special feel to it. Perhaps my memories are based on my limited experience with other cars at the time. What I can attest to is that it definitely was and still remains to be dead nuts reliable. He's maintained it to the T over the years and it shows. Had never suffered any major failures other than the odd sensor etc.
@simsneon2
@simsneon2 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t know why you would let anyone else post this show Jason is the best if Jason doesn’t host it I don’t bother watching it he is as close as it gets to all three of the guys from top gear rolled into one give this man a damn raise and thank you Jason big fan buddy
@peterl3417
@peterl3417 2 жыл бұрын
I love Hagerty, your production value, actual material is great, and the presentation is awesome. Jason Cammisa is the most entertaining car tuber I've ever seen.
@zetohd5625
@zetohd5625 2 жыл бұрын
This is a truly interesting story. As a European, I never heard of this before. Thanks!
@salovila5328
@salovila5328 2 жыл бұрын
Moved to Miami in 1996 and was amazed at the amount of M3s driving around. Coming from Europe I mostly saw 318ds. In Miami in rich areas 90% were m3s or cabrios.
@aadi8568
@aadi8568 2 жыл бұрын
@@salovila5328 because cheap fuel in america
@salovila5328
@salovila5328 2 жыл бұрын
@@aadi8568 I would say in the EU, most of the cars sold 5 years ago that cost over 80k Euros are running on diesel. Its mentality, not cost.
@sv_cheats1970
@sv_cheats1970 2 жыл бұрын
@@aadi8568 fuel wasn't expensive in Deutschland in the 90s, second hand cars were fairly cheap. I think lack of parking space had influence on sale of larger cars. Mannheim was and still is pretty crowded.
@sv_cheats1970
@sv_cheats1970 2 жыл бұрын
@Mike pay was good, cars were cheaper. 1500 DEM would get you an ex Taxi Mercedes in decent condition if you were smart with your money.
@klausm5460
@klausm5460 2 жыл бұрын
The E36 came out, when I was 13 and most enthusiastic about things let alone cars. My dad owned an European-spec E36 M3 3.0 sedan, which was an incredible sleeper car in black. In the 90s people on the Autobahn would move over at 110 kph for a car on the acceleration lane, that just seconds later would enter the Autobahn at 150 kph hundreds of meters ahead of them. To me the E46 wasn´t the great leap that most people thought, although with the E46 M3 BMW introduced more changes between standard car and M version. But as a model line overall the E36 was the greater achievement. And yes, the Paul Rosche M engine was very special.
@Euphorica
@Euphorica 2 жыл бұрын
The e46m3 was basically an e36 m3 v1.3 underneath.
@klausm5460
@klausm5460 2 жыл бұрын
@@Euphorica Not quite. Yes, the engine was very similar, but with body structure, suspension and differential BMW introduced extensive changes that went for beyond what distinguished the E46 base model from the E36. Check out how much wider the E46 M3 track was than in the regular car and how much bigger the wheels were (not just the rims, but the actual tire diameter). The E46 M3 shared less than 40 percent of its parts with the E46 coupé.
@matismaz6025
@matismaz6025 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a 1997 m3 3 weeks after this and I love the car other than needing new steering rack, tie rods, and worn shifter bushings the car feels great and sounds great. Also it has 210,000 miles on it but has no issues running.
@passion4cars283
@passion4cars283 2 жыл бұрын
My hats off to you Jason Cammisa. Sir, your extensive knowledge of sports cars is beyond impressive. You're simply on another level! Keep em coming
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@Xayuap
@Xayuap 2 жыл бұрын
this has always been my favorite M3, I think is the prettier, even when I see anyone talking about it. Even Jason Cammisa did as it doesn't exists in the Hagerty M video I even think this is the prettiest sedan ever.
@MrStamperh
@MrStamperh 2 жыл бұрын
Cool story bro
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
It has electronic port injection and normal syncromesh gears.
@tommynobaka
@tommynobaka 2 жыл бұрын
Having owned fast and slow cars, I've come to the conclusion that hp and tq are all relative. There's always going to be faster and better cars. It boils down to what strikes your fancy and how well the inputs make you feel. The emotion of driving. That's why I don't really care if the US E36 isn't the real M
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@harkeeratrai8524
@harkeeratrai8524 2 жыл бұрын
As an E36 M3 Evo owner .. I approve this message 👍🏼
@spencerarts4684
@spencerarts4684 Жыл бұрын
I just got my first e36 m3 (mind you I said first;) a 98 techno violet 5 speed coupe. I am in love!!!! I’ve wanted one for years! I’ve had a 97 318is for years and had never driven an m3, so coming from the 140hp I couldn’t imagine it would be such a different experience. Boy was I wrong. I’ll never ever complain that mines a US spec, it’s a true M car and damnit it’s the best car ever put on the road!
@jaskajokunen3716
@jaskajokunen3716 Жыл бұрын
I was considering a late 90s m3 too but i read horror stories on the relibility 🤔I got a 350hp volvo s60 instead but pretty sure a volvo is still much more boring to drive 😔
@johnspence2630
@johnspence2630 2 жыл бұрын
I have been driven aswell as driven an e36 m3. It,s the one and only m car I,ve piloted. The car is absolutely a blast to drive. The midrange this motor makes,wow. Too bad it was plaqued with issues, cooling failures, gasket leaks, and let,s not forget about the subframe nightmare. Still, one of my all time favorite cars. Glad bmw decided to listen to the most important people who buy their product, a.k.a the enthusiast, and built it. Jason, you have done it again. You are becoming my favorite automotive journalist on KZbin. Keep up the good work.
@nantan9453
@nantan9453 2 жыл бұрын
I had a couple of '95 US M3's and that interior was a symphony of squeaking. Amazing handling and fun factor though. I do miss them!
@yaseengaffoor
@yaseengaffoor 2 жыл бұрын
My friend made me lose the idea of buying one literally because he said it is a rattlebox
@MachtPlays
@MachtPlays 2 жыл бұрын
Did the 95s smell like crayons as well lol
@fistfulofswoon
@fistfulofswoon 2 жыл бұрын
This show keeps getting better and better, and everything is so well explained...man, I can't hit the like button enough
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@infidel900rr
@infidel900rr 2 жыл бұрын
Damn you Jason, now these are going to skyrocket in price! I've owned many awesome cars at this point in my life and the E36 is by far my favorite! I unfortunately had to part with the last one during grad-school and now they're just soo expensive.... I will have another one someday... soon.
@jasoncampbell3132
@jasoncampbell3132 2 жыл бұрын
Wanna buy mine in Arizona its a 97 coupe manual with a full mishimoto cooling system, short shift, slightly lowered, stage 2 clutch, black on black, carbon fiber hood l, and much more
@herbienbrian2
@herbienbrian2 2 жыл бұрын
I would never buy one of these cars for the insane prices they command now, maybe when they were still cheap. A regular e36 is the same thing anyways, you just don't get the M badge bragging rights.
@jasoncampbell3132
@jasoncampbell3132 2 жыл бұрын
@@herbienbrian2 thats incorrect you do get different trim, rear end, gearing, horsepower, and a few other things
@wouteruittenbogaard8257
@wouteruittenbogaard8257 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have a driver’s license yet (shot 2 at the exam in a few weeks!) but even without having real driving experience, I connect to the romance of owning a classic car like an M3 by watching Jason’s video’s. Keep up the good work!
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@nookingo
@nookingo 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first video that I've seen and is the best car video I've seen on KZbin in 10 years
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@pb7087
@pb7087 2 жыл бұрын
I miss my U.S. spec E36 M3/4/5. It was fantastic, except for the glues coming undone in Georgian heat and the coolant system eventually giving way while I ran it while I popped into a store, only to come out to it overheated which lead to a fine crack in the head. Still, loved it.
@drewdavis239
@drewdavis239 2 жыл бұрын
Popped? Or pooped?
@Jasontyo
@Jasontyo 2 жыл бұрын
I am nearly 40. this was the first M3 I ever learned about or saw in real life, I loved the 4 doors dearly. This is the only M3 I care about.
@HIBAW
@HIBAW 2 жыл бұрын
Drove/owned an e36 4dr for 20+ years. Beautiful. Still ran like a top at 215k. One cooling system replacement :) Really just a radiator neck, but I did all plastic under the hood. Redid the suspension components once. Otherwise, trouble free and amazing car. Chose the same motor in the z3 m coupe. There are no current BMW's that I even want honestly.
@ttystikkrocks1042
@ttystikkrocks1042 2 жыл бұрын
These are student some of my favorite car talk videos! Jason refuses to take himself seriously, he's hysterical but deeply knowledgeable about his cars and he's choosing ACCESSIBLE vehicles normal people have a snowball's chance of finding and perhaps even affording! Brilliant! Keep them coming!
@edsonperez8968
@edsonperez8968 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned my 95 e36 m3 for more than 10 years and it’s been thru a lot. It’s gone thru the s50 and s52 and they were both really great engines. They are really underrated. I currently have an s54 and let me tell you this for me it’s the ultimate driving machine. Will own this beauty till my last breath
@fvhitman4hire
@fvhitman4hire 2 жыл бұрын
Having previously owned an E36 M3 and currently an E46 M3, I prefer the E36 for its nimbleness and balance.. plus I miss those Vader seats!
@lachlanbrown409
@lachlanbrown409 2 жыл бұрын
Loved my 325i E36 Coupe in manual. Had it for more than four years. Drove the E46 M3 in manual many time's but not the E36 M3. Though I was a passenger in the E36 M3 3.0L Euro and it was one a revelation. The handling and acceleration. But watch the cooling system and cheap plastics (why BMW?).
@JP-xd6fm
@JP-xd6fm 2 жыл бұрын
My first car was a used 325i E36 coupe and I still miss it and it has been 20years !!
@Kalepsis
@Kalepsis 2 жыл бұрын
After owning almost every M car produced, I can say, unequivocally, that the best car BMW ever made is the e39 M5. It's also the only BMW I still own after 20 years.
@joshbrookes6439
@joshbrookes6439 2 жыл бұрын
Ok mate, good for for you. Not entirely sure what (if any) relevance that has but I kinda get the feeling your little spiel is always available for cut n paste right?
@MrGaryGG48
@MrGaryGG48 2 жыл бұрын
Having had both a 530i & 540i e39, that M5 has been on my list for far too long. My current BMW for the last 10 years, has been an '01 330xi 5-spd and while it isn't as fast as I might like, as it passed 205,000 miles, it's still running better than nearly any BMW of that vintage. The new stuff has far too much plastic (I don't know about the floppy glove box door) and too damn many computers!
@cal.or7
@cal.or7 2 жыл бұрын
So heavy, that’s not what M is about
@klwarhouse
@klwarhouse 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshbrookes6439 As someone like myself in a similar situation. Context was being created for the OP to state they personally prefer the e39 M5 over all else. Trust me buddy, life become much easier when you drop the snarkiness.
@bw1532
@bw1532 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. It finally time someone said it. BMW S50B32 and S54 are amazing race engines, and too needy. The US Spec S52 is definitely the one to own. I have the little brother the M52B28 from the 328i and it has done an impressive 260,000 miles and still pulls strong and it has been beat on. Taken to the ring, daily driven on short commutes, forgotten oil changes, overheated. Never had to crack the engine open.
@geraldbuys9853
@geraldbuys9853 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to know where all this crap about the S50 being a "needy race engine" is coming from. They're as tough as nails. I have one. It's done 240000km and hasn't had a single engine issue. Just change the oil and thrash it. The S54, yes, that has issues. Not the S50.
@outlaw36sst
@outlaw36sst Жыл бұрын
hey ! just saw your video . almost got goose bumps . i am the very proud owner of a 1998 2 doors coupe m3 . topping this is the fact that i bought it brand new in 1998 . i have put over 100 thousand miles on it and it stills makes me smile . man what a car !
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@damilolaakanni
@damilolaakanni 2 жыл бұрын
Looks wise, the E46 just can't be beat. It's only beaten by the E39 M5, but the E9X came very close.
@rrennnerr
@rrennnerr 2 жыл бұрын
Saw an E36 M3 in a shop window the other day. I approached the owner and asked if he was thinking about selling. Told me he wanted $15,000, but issue was it was a salvage title. Huge bummer because if he gave the right price I would have bought it on the spot. Still cannot decide between replacing my old, 193k mile Honda civic with a Type R or complementing it with an E36 M3 and owning 2 old, unreliable vehicles.
@johnpearson492
@johnpearson492 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the camp of two old cars. I daily drive an e36 M3 and an Oldsmobile 88. The M3 has been very reliable with the only time needing a tow due to a dead alternator. I'm nuts enough to be shopping for an 80s Jeep to use as the truck I'm soon going to need in my life.
@infidel900rr
@infidel900rr 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpearson492 The E36 is surprisingly reliable. Mine had 200k mi when I sold it and I used to commute almost 2hrs a day. I miss that car a lot.
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
I hate to tell you, but that's probably a decent deal in today's market. I have 257k miles on mine and still drive it every day. Haha, in fact, Hagerty won't insure it because it's my daily. It may take some work to get it back up to standard, but once that's done you've got smooth sailing for a good 8-10 years before it'll need refreshing again. Much longer if you're not driving it much.
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. A crusty old 90s 3 series is not worth $15,000. Hilarious you found it in the shop and owner wants 15 WITH salvage title. That is just as bad as dealer mark ups.
@jkmason88
@jkmason88 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonasbaine3538 I didn't say YOU'D pay $15k for it. I never said it was crusty, either, nor did the OP. I just pointed out that in today's market, that's a decent price for a car with 150k miles, salvage title or no (but especially with documentation). Lots of cars with 175k+ going for $18k+. It's just fact - today's crazy market. You can still find deals, but they're just that - deals. For someone with a good car they've taken care of, $15k is the starting point.
@AdamJDM1
@AdamJDM1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I sincerly miss my E36 M3 in Estoril blau metallic. Was such an awesome car! I bought it for $5k so when someone offered me $10k for it, I gladly took it. With only 89k miles and me being the second owner, it was mint. Today it's probably worth about double what I sold it for though, lol. Also, I mentioned this in a previous video, but can Jason please treat those classic magazines with a little more respect? They are now documents of automotive history, and just throwing them around and putting your dirty show on them (go to 5:32) is pretty painful to watch.
@candasm
@candasm 2 жыл бұрын
x2 price will be sold in 5min max. Good ones deserves much more.
@AdamJDM1
@AdamJDM1 2 жыл бұрын
@@candasm Well, mine was an auto so that's probably what would keep the price somewhat down. It's also the only reason I ended up selling it. Was still a sweet ride, the auto that car actually wasn't bad at all for a 90s slushbox.
@TreyKing63
@TreyKing63 2 жыл бұрын
My '98 M3 4D is still solid with 233,000 miles. No smoking, no ticks, no issues. I daily drive it and have for 10 years. Sure plenty of newer cars are quicker in a straight line but oh my in the turns it dominates!!! Yes, mine did the glove box thing too until I replaced the button and spring. Nice video at the end of my drive to work. Nobody wants to play tag any more :(
@enderw88
@enderw88 2 жыл бұрын
I restored a 95. Fixed all the weak points. At 200,000 I did a cylinder leak-down test on the completely stock engine. It was well within factory spec and dead even. Finally sold it when I found a Lotus Elise I had to have. Though I was never able to fix the damned glove box...
@broman1536
@broman1536 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic story telling as usual
@gabrielchad447
@gabrielchad447 2 жыл бұрын
"Never stop closing the glovebox" 😂😂😂
@biznatcho7
@biznatcho7 2 жыл бұрын
That was perfect. And unexpected.
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
@@biznatcho7 100% expected if you've owned an E36 🤣
@slammedeuros2289
@slammedeuros2289 2 жыл бұрын
Have said this for years, I have and will continue to take the US s52 over the euro. The 0-60 is only .2 seconds slower. US spec is bulletproof into the 200,000 mile club, more simplistic ect. Not paying the euro tax for little gains. 6 speed would be nice though
@romachoz
@romachoz 2 жыл бұрын
And 60-100 is dramatic change. I have USA m3
@jsquared1013
@jsquared1013 2 жыл бұрын
The 1/4 mile time has a greater gap, and if you've run both on the highway or on track, it's noticeable (ESPECIALLY if you're comparing 3.2 US vs 3.2 Euro, not the 3.0). Euro S50 have less maintenance issues than the later engines (S54/65/85), a BETTER cooling system than the US car, and the VANOS fix is easy and cheap.
@romachoz
@romachoz 2 жыл бұрын
@@jsquared1013 sorry, but s54 is best engine, I think when my s52b32 will die (maybe soon, it’s get 2l 10-60 oil on 1000km), I will replace it with s54. E36 with s54 is brilliant car
@romachoz
@romachoz 2 жыл бұрын
@@jsquared1013 you will have weight of the e36 and torque from s54, and 9k redline
@ericfung7867
@ericfung7867 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 95 E36 M3 and ended up selling it when I got another car. I had it for 18 years and had added most of the bolt on upgrades that were commonly recommended that would improve the car but not compromise it in some way. A later purchase taught me the lesson that not ever upgrade is a good upgrade, as I ended up needing to un-modifying that car to some extent. I ended up getting to drive my old car once since the friend I sold it to needed it to get smogged. I remember driving it and experiencing the way it drove again and wonderful driving dynamics. I regret letting it go but I am glad at least it lives with a friend of mine and is well taken care of and not being destroyed by someone somewhere. Thanks for a great story, but then again, you made me miss my baby a bit more again.
@straightupautomotive
@straightupautomotive 2 жыл бұрын
I had one back in 97. A 95 cosmos black vader seats. My young low income ass couldnt afford the payments at the time so I only had it for 2 years… not long enough to watch it dry rot thankfully. Loved it.
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 2 жыл бұрын
So the e36 M3 essentially had the most "Honda" characteristics (more handling prowess, driver connectivity, balance of enough power to chassis capability, rather than outright extreme power)..interesting.
@nvl2691
@nvl2691 2 жыл бұрын
You have it the wrong way around...
@angi733
@angi733 2 жыл бұрын
Love the S50 B32 in my M Coupe! I never used to like the way the E36 looked, but I think it's now coming of age! The E46 M3 is a bit "me too"
@stevemartegani
@stevemartegani 2 жыл бұрын
Its funny, we get this video in the same week Car Wizzard destroys one with a sledge hammer LOL
@aaronduran970
@aaronduran970 2 жыл бұрын
honestly, i saw this video when it first came out and at the time just sold my base RSX. so then, I bought a clean title cammed s52 98 sedan, and im in love all because of being convinced by this video
@zachjuinio1302
@zachjuinio1302 2 жыл бұрын
The quality of this video is remarkable! Been obsessing over the E36 the past few days and this is came at just the right time
@E36_keo
@E36_keo 10 ай бұрын
Hey there I run a e36 channel and would appreciate your support for some e36 content🤞🏽🖤
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to the 25-year rule, the Euro E36 M3 is the one to have now! With the Gen 1 SMG, please!
@Orcawhale1
@Orcawhale1 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck getting spare parts for that SMG box.
@Tomazack
@Tomazack 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orcawhale1 You don't, you always convert to Manual.
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tomazack there’s something interesting about half-baked older technology and it’s rough edges.
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orcawhale1 gosh I can only imagine that issue. Probably not a handful of them sold.
@russian4159
@russian4159 2 жыл бұрын
Most unreliable SMG in the world. I had one before on my s50b32 swapped e36 m3. Went back to manual but just wanted to try out since it was sitting in garage. +1 for Avoid by all means.
@dwembree
@dwembree 2 жыл бұрын
Now let's all take a lesson from Jason and BMW enthusiasts and get BMW to bring the G81 M3 Touring over here
@jessaphillips2846
@jessaphillips2846 2 жыл бұрын
Fire up your dot matrix printers!
@bella_testastretta
@bella_testastretta 2 жыл бұрын
Always thought E36 M3 looked better than E30 and 46! I love how everything is so square
@FuelAirSparkTime
@FuelAirSparkTime 2 жыл бұрын
E46 is better looking by a mile
@tiankata1
@tiankata1 2 жыл бұрын
Jason Cammisa i simply The Best Car Journalist out there! This guy a true petrol head the car world badly needs these days. Way too many incompetent clowns are doing car reviews lately. The E36 is the real deal and my favorite M3 from the best era of BMW cars- the 90"s. Not not mention that this car was winning BIG in DTM and other racing series around the world at that time. If BMW reproduce the E36 M3 or E39 M5 cars and put them for sale now, I will buy one immediately instead of ANY new cars they have for sale today! I am getting tired of these awful looking BMW's with their giant grills. (Except the new M2 CS and M5CS) They simply don't look as as European car and are NOT recognizable at all. Great job Jason! ..... As always
@rcs3289
@rcs3289 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Jason. I bought my 1996 328i (sport package) in 1999 and it's still my garage queen/track monster. My roll cage keeps the glovebox permanently closed! :) As a CCA instructor the past 15 years, I've driven a lot of nice cars and instructed a lot of students with equally nice cars. I always smile when I get to spend a day in an E36 of any flavor. And to echo a few other posts here, a Zionsville replacement radiator solved ALL cooling issues and has worked flawlessly for over a decade now. My car has 104k miles on it now (2022), I'm guessing close to 30k on a racetrack - oftentimes embarrassing much more powerful/expensive cars. Haters gonna hate, but owners know.... :)
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