Hal Realized Reps Was Upset After Raging at Him

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[@zynosgd9982]

"I'm going and if I die it's whatever" *dies* *blames reps*

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab🥰🥋🥋

[@stevesuperior]

Even more wild cuz he knew it was a bad smoke and decided to go anyway... naturally it's not hal's fault and it's his teammate's.

[@thefurmidablecatlucky3]

that is Hal in a nutshell

[@UnknownApexcoach]

I understand what you're saying but you're talking about professionals. They get paid to be the best. And Reps messed up a simple smoke twice.

[@zynosgd9982]

@@UnknownApexcoach oh I know. I just thought it was funny.

[@HOTWHEEEELZ]

Perhaps it’s not that reps went quiet but that Hal’s anger isn’t worthy of being responded to. Words are precious and shouldn’t be wasted

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab?😰

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab b b 😆

[@arctictropic1147]

100% this. Reps already knows that Hal goes "halling" when something doesn't go his way, especially for something little like putting down smoke. Reps is not gonna waste his time trying to defend himself because he wants to move to the next game, plus he knows it wasn't that big of a deal, it's just that Hal had an image in mind of how things should have went and it got to him. The same way that people point out the pressures that Reps may have went through, Hal also goes through pressures of trying to get his team in the best position and things don't seem to be going as planned.

[@whitjones249]

Imma use that one, profound chief

[@uueyesh8909]

Imagine some losers in context say...hals rage dont matter.. literslly one of the best igls in game..amd u have brainless fairies like this.."its not worth it"...actually insane some of these ppl. Clueless

[@Asdayasman]

Guys help, I have a "take no accountability and disrespect my teammates" competition tomorrow, but my opponent is Hal. Imagine getting so mad at a minor misplay that you actually commit suicide and throw the game. Props to Raven for actually calling it out this time.

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab😅

[@stevesuperior]

Yeah I'm surprised raven didn't dickride hal this time around. I was totally expecting a "Hal would've been fine doing that if your smoke wasn't bad." or something along those lines.

[@michaelfellner9822]

hal is the leader and they took forever to do as he says which was the correct play. hal is competitive af and goes off if mistakes happen. they know each other for a long ass time tho and understand how to take it .. which they even explained in interviews. unfortunatly theres people who run their mouth but dont know them / anything about the competitive side of sports. as someone who used to play comp in other games arguements just happen but again its important how you take them in. hal and reps know, casuals dont. would be nice if fans werent so soft and had more knowledge.

[@Asdayasman]

@@michaelfellner9822 "no bro I used to play comp so I know you HAVE to be an asshole to your friends"

[@stevesuperior]

I read this out loud in a nerd voice, only way I got through reading it. :) @@michaelfellner9822

[@aussiebornkiwi4411]

like reps said dont go up the zip you killed yourself lolol no accountability

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab🤪

[@190daes]

If your teammate misses the smoke don't just full send and be like "if I die, I die" and go solo, talk to your teammates.

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab😭

[@mnknight9666]

About what, I’m interested in should have been said

[@holywarvader7960]

Raven as a coach should be way more wise in holding a team together. His voice tells me he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I could keep this team tight.

[@syvorin]

@@holywarvader7960no you couldn’t lol stop the cap

[@mxwi5996]

@@holywarvader7960 "I could keep his team tight"💀. Bro thinks he'd get recruited . Get out of gold lobby first tough lil bro

[@Simple.Wordless]

Hal even said he didn't care if he died going up the zip. He died, but he cared...

[@johnzii1442]

why tf do i find that last sentence so funny 🤣

[@Bozomine]

Hal's point is misguided. Jordan wants to win, otherwise he wouldn't have put up with Hal for this long even if they're friends and everythings kosher behind the scenes. Hal doesn't have to insult Jordan to get a better result, I understand the pressures there, but dumping petty bullshit like calling one of the worlds top 5 MnK ALGS pro's a gold player because he messed up the smokes is ignorant. It's high stakes right now, but learning to treat your teammate with respect could completely alter the team morale only for the better. Eventually Jordan will give up on the team because he or anyone else doesn't deserve to be treated the way Hal berates him in front of thousands of live viewers, and even more people who watch the clips later. Seriously stop taking your anger out on your teammates. I'm not telling you how to play the game or even criticizing your IGL skills, I'm saying Hal needs to learn that empathy quickly, because it'd be nice to invide Jordan Big E and Snipe out for drinks in 10 years, instead of wondering why they stopped answering your calls.

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

slab🧐

[@bruhhhmoment5130]

bruhhh are you his PR manager? chill

[@Asdayasman]

> one of the worlds top 5 MnK ALGS pro's Who're your top 5? Curious who you'd put potentially ahead of Reps. I remember the video TSM put out of their different comp teams playing each other in different games, and Reps was able to almost stand up to some siege pros which isn't easy.

[@johnzii1442]

Top 5 mnk algs pros rn: 1.Timmy 2. Reps 3.Sweet 4. HisWattson 5. Albralelie

[@kodakbrown7695]

it’s just a game. Go outside breh

[@tyrellturner5602]

Honestly Hal threw here. Not Reps At 2:20 Hal says "I don't care. Im gonna go up. If I die I die" So Hal is fully acknowledging here that he is making a risky play by going up this Zipline in the first place. But in that moment he was just so frustrated that he didn't care if he got knocked Yeah Reps made a bad smoke. But they could have just ran bad to the same rock that they were playing as cover and waited for his smokes to recharge so they can get another try at rotating. Reps may have made a mistake, but the whole team was still alive and full health, so it was a relatively minor mistake. That was very much a salvageable situation but Hal ruined everything by getting impatient and loosing his temper. And instead of immediately realizing that his first instinct was to blame Reps

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

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[@NicoDoesLP]

Sad to see, honestly

[@toso4006]

also using horizon q can easily help the team get on half way on the zip, and hal just didnt think

[@adamgomez1297]

"yeah its bad im a total dick but like you know im just right" thats about what i got from all of this hal

[@xTonzzz]

People like this are so toxic it's completely wrong to label it passion or competitiveness. Anybody who plays football knows this type of person they will hound the minorest of errors you make. All it does is open room for more error and make it uncomfortable to play with you because you are no longer managing the game you are managing this guy's emotions. Even the worst of plays doesn't warrant a reaction like that I don't know how either of them put up with it. This kind of behaviour makes you uncomfortable and actually play worse than to improve because there's an added spotlight and you can't play to your natural gameplay you overthink your plays. He's a great player but he really needs to stop with that shit...

[@deathhunter1029]

He is a gamer. Of course, he is immature af.

[@roachdoggjr99]

The results speak for themselves unfortunately TSM wins everything. Go look at dezing he acts like Hal but wins nothing you can put up with Hal if you constantly win.

[@frieddayfriday]

hal basically called it quits when he decided to zip up. 😅

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

Hal would be untouchable if he worked on some of his anger and calling people out.

[@Phillipmamowfwifharts]

He takes no accountability for his actions in game. He blames everyone else. He only sees one way. Unless everyone calls him out on something, he will never see anyone else's point of view. Its Ego mixed with delusion mixed with lack of self awareness. He then goes on to justify that how he did it was correct and its only about the result HE wants. He may be a genius at the game, and a great IGL, but he is impulsive and very narrow minded when it comes to losing.

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

@@Phillipmamowfwifharts Yep. I think it is only in the moment though. To get as good as he is you have to be able to analyze your game, so clearly he does that behind the scenes. But in the moment he reacts so badly. But it seems he is also aware of it. Just needs to keep working at it I guess.

[@matrixshaman6652]

I don't understand how Hal talks like this to his teammates all the time, but then he hears Dezign talking to Enemy like this and he goes "woah, woah"

[@onikrux]

personality traits aside- sometimes you have to admit to your team, in a calm manner that it was an extremely high pressure and hard situation to get through- and if you can assess what went wrong, it's 100x more valuable than shit-talking ur team and adding to the stress...

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

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[@DDDadToTheBone]

What do you expect lol he's never had a job in his life or any real life experiences in team work.

[@user-xt8gc9sv7o]

2:20 he could've batted behind the bin for free then went up the zip.

[@andis9076]

Hal went to tunnel vision, even gold player know going up zip is suicide.

[@madskillz_]

I wonder could it be pissible to smoke the bottom of the zipline and then use horizen lift to go up. I mean they get some damage but chances to survive is still better

[@chandlersun3877]

Very self aware

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

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[@mapls]

this is why it's good that they have a coach now

[@wolfmayner6274]

That was hard to watch oh my god lmao

[@Iggysdust]

5:49 it's called an after action review. You talk about it later instead of.... whatever that was That's what they had us do in the army at least *shrugs*

[@user-mz6cg6ly9x]

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[@MiguelJackson22]

Hal, I have a reading suggestion. “How to win friends and influence people”. Great book that will help you on how to interact with others.

[@Sandy-ym2mz]

It’s called passion for a competitive game. No time to be nice. Hal is goated

[@Asdayasman]

@@Sandy-ym2mz Being an asshole takes time AND puts your teammates on edge, decreasing their likelihood of winning. Go back to school.

[@MiguelJackson22]

@@Sandy-ym2mz passion does not equal demeaning.

[@daroniousmaximus]

TSM winnings would say otherwise. Reps is about that money and come LAN time he's ruthless to get the job done. He's no snowflake. @@Asdayasman

[@Asdayasman]

@@daroniousmaximus They're winning in spite of Hal's awful attitude, not because of it. Reps is an FPS prodigy, able to go to Siege and stand up against TSM's pro team there. Verhulst is an insanely hard-working competitor, spending more than full-time work on practicing to get better. If you put Reps and Verhulst on a team with the world's biggest shitter (me), they'd still place top ten at LAN. They're THAT good.

[@tsuraze]

Hal need to learn some psychology

[@smackyobassfishing7737]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard an “okay , im sorry you’re right “

[@mrdoogle5931]

So basically Hal thinks the louder you shout the more correct you are. It doesn't work like that, buddy.

[@redoxxed4921]

Actual salute to Reps' mental for holding up to a guy like Hal

[@Jay-vs5ik]

I can understand. As the igl of my masters squad, there are many times where we know what needs to be done if we were playing the character, but we don’t necessarily convey that clearly to teammates since we are processing 75 different things and consequences at once. So we think we are saying it clearly enough but attitude like that will make reps feel pressure to where he is more likely to mess up. Sometimes it happens to me as igl where I lose my cool and I’m not a professional paid player. I can imagine hundreds of thousands being on the line. However, Hal needs to understand he is nothing without reps and Verhulst, and reps and verhulst needs to understand Hal is trying to bring the best out of them in his own way even if it doesn’t seem right always.

[@Infamousjr719]

Jordan is just mature. Hal is a 17 year old kid in the head. Obviously never been punched in his mouth. Hes very sheltered lol

[@Zack.G23]

If you watch Hal enough you will see he makes ALOT of bonehead plays. Absolutely refuses to admit it when he does it, and then rages on his teammates when they make a bonehead play.

[@SpectatingApexPubs]

If you watched him more, you'd see the parts where he calls *himself* braindead. But you'd have to actually watch Hal for that instead of just checking out clips with titles like "HAL RAGES #21,697"

[@zeronin4696]

Yes guys hal is way too emotional we all know it already and yes jordan is older and much more mature thats why he doesnt take the raging too seriously. They are the most LAN winning duo, they get along very well

[@Asdayasman]

I get along with my friend very well, but whenever we played LoL together he would turn into the most ragey toxic asshole you could imagine. I no longer play LoL with him.

[@madd.villain]

Hal is 24, not some 16 year old who's new to pro leagues. Of course people are going to point out how immature the "CEO" is acting.

[@robledosieteseis2291]

@@Asdayasmanor you were dead weight to him or he is just too impulsive. Which one?

[@Asdayasman]

@@robledosieteseis2291 We were both trash at the game, as were all of our teammates and our enemies, which really got to him.

[@robledosieteseis2291]

@@Asdayasman then yeah its really his fault. I would understand if one of you guys is dead weight to the other but in your case there should not be any reason to rage like that.

[@RootyTootTootin]

IGL needs to play bang, you can’t micromanage her abilities

[@HellGatyr]

Or just ping the smoke location, reps smoke is to cover his POV he didn't know what hal said there is 3 buildings

[@afernz4999]

Thats a good point to be honest, would solve a lot of the problems maybe Evan goes onto Horizon? But main reason I think Joran on bang is cos he is MnK with smoke digi so its its no AA by default.

[@brother_jaha]

Hal threw this game subconsciously to teach reps a lesson. I guarantee reps smokes were on point after this. This is why he is the best IGL. This game isn’t as important as the future games they could lose because of bad smokes. Reps feelings might be hurt for the moment but at the end of the day reps knows hal is just trying to make him better. People get too butthurt and don’t understand the competitiveness these guys have. Mike was ruthless to his teammates on the bulls. That’s why they won so much.

[@Ethereal184]

Hal probably could’ve healed then Q zip to make it up safely. You can’t entirely blame reps for missing a bang Q 2 inches on his mousepad. They were simply running around way too much and didn’t com when it was actually convenient to go up zip. Neither enemy team was rushing, they would’ve had enough time if they didn’t run back and forth twice. Hal was just too on the fence between rushing and running, delaying when bang smokes could be used. They both need to realize they were at fault and thats it

[@daroniousmaximus]

Hal's already said multiple times that he doesn't care what people think of him because this is just how he is and it's worked for him up to now and sees no reason to change. I mean there is a point there to be made. Back in the day he used to chew out Mac every time they played because Mac would always come up with some "great idea" and Hal would have to yell at him to NOT do it. Mac still does this on other teams and no one tells him to back off...which is why he's passed around teams like a hot potato. When Snipedown came back to Apex recently, I remember watching him with the first team he joined and at one point completely losing it and yelling "this isnt how we should be doing it, just do it like Hal does OK!". Despite all the yelling he took from Hal, you see the amount of respect he has for how good Hal actually is and is invaluable as an IGL. So I think Hal and Reps have a high amount of respect for eachother.... and at this point Reps just wants to win.... its his job, and hes used to Hal. Yes, I watch a lot of Apex pro streams OK.

[@andrewkim7700]

Hal complaining about attachments is crazy. There’s a clip out there of him literally saying “you’re a professional player, you don’t need attachments” 😂

[@BigSuzpekt]

i'm surprised raven didn't side with Hal xD lol

[@aetherna976]

understandable tbh. Hal had every right to be mad here. Their team is not on zone as you can see if you look at the map, and the "nut" that they are trying to stay in that is actually in the zone is occupied, now they're left with 2 choices, either fight the guys on the nut and third party or smoke across/smoke in zone "nut" so they can get to zipline and reposition. Now at the clip where Hal said fuck it, notice how the zone is getting small, it means they are literally running out of time to reposition because if they force a fight there they would just get 3rd partied and basically die. Reps just needed to actually properly smoke either across or the team that is trying to take stop them from repositioning. you might say "ah just wait for bangalore smoke".. No you cant if reps used banga smoke on cd thats a 33 seconds wait where they might get pressured by the storm and a team. Yall just hatin bc you hear a man screaming at his teammates hurting his wittle feelings, then automatically go to the emotionally injured one, Hal is just keeping it real, Reps missed 2 smokes and Hal said it how it is.

[@TheApxche]

im the hal of my friend group and it comes from being hyper competitive do i think its the right way to be not all the time at the end of the day your team are people with feelings as well but if your someone with a hal and you can withstand the intense moments you will indeed get better at whatever it is your doing

[@lambmaster]

In team sports you just don't rage at your teammates. Never. Whether it's e-peen sports, basketball, football, whatever.

[@MH-br3th]

TSM gets the results they do because they have those hard conversations. They overcome and adapt. Most people couldn't handle that type of team environment, but I think Reps is used to it and knows how to shrug it off and move forward. Also if you're too nice or passive about things it can take 10 times longer to drive a point home. They don't have time for that. In comp you either play as closely to perfection as the situation will allow or you fail.

[@Apex_Suprim]

thats what im saying hal is a beast and hole TSM knows that his rage is not meant evil towards them personal its his roll as IGL to point stuff out and at there level its normal to rage cuz the game is ur everything so emotions come in play heck im a avg diamond/master i get mad asf over smaller things they play for millions of dollers fuck i would scream at you if u fucked up that hard like reps in that clip XD

[@ILUmyMy]

everything needs a limit, the fact that he raged and then went to actually throw the game by going up instead of waiting for next smoke shows an impulsive action that is based on emotion and not on intelligence

[@Asdayasman]

You can have a hard conversation respectfully. Most teams do.

[@ALLOFTHEBOOST]

This is why raven is so good. He checks Hal for his lack of accountability for dieing for no reason even if the smake was "bad".

[@timh4449]

Hal went up there like a bot and raged like a 40 year old guy in his midlife crysis. My guy is so bad at not having the emotional control of a 5 year old its not even funny. If he doesnt get it fixed hes gonna miss that edge that other upcoming IGLs will have once they can perform on or above his level macro wise like Zero and so on for example.

[@REV_Pika]

i dont know if he (Hal) would've trolled like that if it was Lan, he just have to adapt to miss plays and call it out later, he just got tilted and its poor.

[@HellGatyr]

Hal only has 2 bar shield when zip line, he can survive if he is full armor

[@YuhBoiPepe]

People are defending Hal because they're saying that reps kept messing up the smokes or that he was taking too long. But reps multiple times said that he had smoke on cooldown and let hell know that it was on cooldown. And then if you want the smokes to be at a certain position say that you want them at a certain position. All how said multiple times was smoke them and then when they got smoked was upset that the smoke wasn't good enough. And then ignorantly climbed the zip line that had linocytes from both teams. He was worried about third parties and made the one decision. Chad makes it easy to third party him without the third team having to come out in the open. You can be hard and argue with your teammates, especially when it's competitive, but the way that he drags them sometimes is just not fun to watch and I bet is even less fun to play around

[@Miewn]

Please like my comment. IGL makes the call for rotation. Requires smokes to mitigate damage so they can survive the zip up. (Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, success comes with full assing not half assing) TSM is triple back-2--back champion. A level of expectation of how to optimize on specific characters and also inter-team communication. Reps & Hal been playing together for years. So if Hal goes "do the thing" Reps should already know what he means by that to a certain degree of course. And if he's saying SMOKE THAT TEAM. He does not mean smoke the inside of the nut. Smoke around it so they're actually blind. And potentially they can survive the zip up. Yes, I am in favor of HAL because when you dump 100k hours of playing this game with the same person, there is a level of expectation that is supposed to be met. Especially in a competitive setting. For REPs to go, 'you shouldn't have died' is just really slapping HAL in the face when he's been pre-com'ing the plan of smoking that team and rotation.

[@xSirenityTVx]

hal talking about gold smoke reps throwing out but takes a zip and dies like a gold player when surrounded

[@madskillz_]

"I dont care I gonna go up and if I die I die" yeah sure u dont care...

[@MrLacri]

i hope dezign and hal grow up

[@hodrichrxmpr8981]

Her smokes don’t automatically come back

[@sppl623]

man i just hope reps knows hes the goat and that hal has literally no prizes, championships, or all that money without him

[@Luxorfps]

I mean I get it, I've had a pretty bad time myself recently, and got not so nice to people I care about because of a stupid shit. That made me stop for a moment, and think about what's more important - never let your problems ruin your relationships. He's a grown man in his 20s, he's supposed to be able to deal with this as well, losing a game of Apex is not an excuse for it

[@gani3813]

Reps right, hal died because he was angry and went up literally saying if I die I die lol

[@donfavio]

Hals ego is up his head dude never blames himself for his mistake

[@HeadlessKeenon]

I get that Hal shouldn’t be yelling at his teammates as much as he does but he also has a point they shouldn’t be messing up easy stuff like putting smokes as Bangalore to block los especially at a professional level that’s like a basketball player forgetting how to dribble the ball Hal knows the level of discipline that they need to be the best but doesn’t know the right way to vocalize it

[@wilsonsclips_]

I mean I would have more consideration on Hal’s point here if I could point to one example where he was less of an angry bastard towards his team when they do something that annoys him. He said it himself. It’s 0%. So don’t go rationalising it. You’ve admitted there are 0% of times you show empathy which is statistically impossible that he’s correct. Yet still, they get the wins. At what cost I don’t know though…

[@Asdayasman]

The cost is gonna be if Hal ever gets dropped from TSM for some reason, he's never gonna have a stable team under him again, if he gets a team at all. Would you wanna follow a leader like him?

[@MrJuice315]

The most annoying thing about Hal is that he acknowledges that hes a toxic ass teammate but puts absolutely no effort into correcting that behavior. They've gotten so many wins that in Hals mind he attributes that success in part to him being a toxic hardass. But the reality of it is, without Reps and Evan....Hal would be struggling to even find a team.

[@LangaNyeti]

I can never let any1 talk to me like that even if it means winning!! Stinky attitude this Hal boy

[@kaijusenseii]

I love this team, they are my preferred winners. But Hal needs to learn that he’s not playing with children. There’s ways to be assertive, commanding and serious. Insults won’t do shit but bring team morale down. I am by no means at the level of IGL as Hal is, but what I’ve learned is that as long as you give CLEAR, LOUD and repeated commands, the team will listen. Also letting your teammates call you out on bad calls has kept my team together.

[@Asdayasman]

He thinks he's playing with children and treats them as such because he is himself a childish player.

[@Visstnok]

Also, this isn't even how you should treat children. Far from it.

[@hellscr3amz]

Hal tells the team he was walking up knowingly he still wanted to go up the zip and rotate. Yells at the team to go back and to smoke them. They could've sat behind the rock until 2 smokes comes back instead of dicking around. js He was literally crossed fire from people at the Armory also. Its so much easier to be toxic than positive. Tone the ego, When you treat the janitor like a CEO, you'll get to places. No one likes going to work just to get b*tched at. Hal needs to do better and be better.

[@TruD0G]

later he should talk to reps in private and appologize for letting it get personal and calling him a gold player. Then saying i really do think that those smokes were dog shit and they could have been better. If Hal can admit that he sometimes goes a little overboard and lets it get personal and says personal things that are hurtful, being up front about someone being better and making better decisions and what should be done. Yes of course. I get it, in the heat of the moment sometimes shouting is good and theyve always seemed to do well that way. I know Hal just wants the best that he sees in their gameplay to come out. Hal definitely cares a whole lot about his team mates or otherwise he wouldnt yell. Some people dont respond well to that. Those who can become great. Great leaders sometimes have to push their team mates to become greater. its all it is guys.

[@goloko9973]

Seems like most these comments doing to Hal what they are criticizing him for doing. I think it’s being human

[@whalearms9375]

that's wasn't so bad Hals not wrong and on Hal for acknowledging it after. honestly dezignfull was more brutal with enemy in my opinion

[@weakest_branch]

Hal is gonna have one hell of a time with life down the line lemme tell ya.

[@flo_togo9553]

You re smoking like a gold player man no joke that shit was funny

[@Apex_Suprim]

facts i started crying xD

[@DDDadToTheBone]

How old are yous

[@Apex_Suprim]

probably older then u @@DDDadToTheBone

[@DDDadToTheBone]

@@Apex_Suprim I doubt you're older than 26, and if you are then I feel sorry for you lmao

[@Apex_Suprim]

25 @@DDDadToTheBone

[@skawattle1213]

When how much longer till Reps just leaves because no one wants to be spoken to like a piece of crap

[@Asdayasman]

For better or for worse, I think Reps is able to shrug it off and deal with it for the wins. I think Reps is with TSM for as long as TSM stay winning.

[@Tr33dude]

Says he wants to leave but pushes the nut again? why? keep applying pressure and re smoke and leave

[@don2234]

I mean he is making a lot of sense on some of his points but thats not the way to start preparing for algs 😂 his anger issues are spiking up for nothing.. even if he missed the smoke just wait a little he can smoke again or wait for them to start fighting and you can go up the ladder free.. you are taking fights left and right and then you cry you have no heals with all that cover you guys had 😂 and maybe im wrong but what im not wrong about is that if i was jordan i would probably slap you like you are my child

[@scepticflaw3527]

lets be honest, its the team in armory that threw hal off cuz that team is being dumb, that titled hal off, reps smoking was just a cherry on the top, but as always they will come back from this

[@tiaraguy7705]

Man I wonder if a day will come when Hal is wrong

[@darad1659]

As a gold player, I am deeply offended by this

[@Monolu]

Imagine coming from a bad day and your teammate is hal. Jordan is stronger than me I'd snap back

[@slurricanesenpai7157]

What is the point of how even having raven in his chat if he’s not going to take any of his advice, and anything that he says

[@levihssh]

I agree with Hal that being firm and not empathetic is faster and more effective to get the IGL's point through. And I usually do not mind the majority of his methods, I talk to my team exactly like he does. But this was unnecessary and also could do more harm than good. It is not black or white. One doesn't have to be either nice or an asshole only, he can be firm, zero empathy, mad too, states facts, even some harsh words are fine. But doing only extreme personal attacks isn't a good method. "WTF Jordan why are you smoking so bad today that's so stupid!! You can't smoke inside that does NOTHING to cover, you should know that" If Jordan agrees then that's it cz disagreeing is what makes Hal angry, cz it means that his teammate will keep doing something he thinks is wrong. If he doesn't, then Hal keeps proving his point decisively with 0 empathy no problem in that. It being that extreme and personal is the problem.

[@polarpob7858]

wait what? so if he is nice they will disagree but mean they will accept? that’s equally as bad cause in neither of those options are you guys reaching a consensus answer agreement on what was the true right play you’re just shutting out opinions.

[@1gonzoone]

Hal is that type of coworker that you just waiting for the right time to put your hands on him, and make him humble I can’t stand people like that. I don’t care if he’s good, fuck that have some respect for yourself.

[@mizznyx68]

Hal’s everything that’s wrong with Apex

[@zombiedeathrays8862]

First step is realizing you have a problem. Only took 4 years.

[@Tickled]

This is exactly how I talk to my plat and diamond friends hahaha

[@trialschenni]

Hal coulda batted then all 3 went up zip together😅

[@iikkalindroos6436]

If hal was playing basketball or football or something he would probably get beat up by his own team mates😂

[@Jose-xq5ol]

hal is a child bro, literally cant act like a man

[@SR25ApexPlayer]

Hal is such a cry baby. He mess up doesn’t say a word but it jordan or evan messes up there no forgiveness

[@JordanEst]

every single smoke reps shot in this clip i facepalmed.. he tells him to smoke left he smokes mid tells him to smoke them again smokes his team tells him to smoke left again and misses and scuffs completely im surprised didnt say wtf was that the first smoke lol reps was havin a serious bad moment here

[@CharizardLv95]

IGL should be on bang. Its easier said than done to ask someone else to smoke where you want them too. Not saying he wasn't smoking the right areas at all, but I think they'll do better if they run Bang on Hal, Conduit on Reps, and let Verbussy play horizon but Hal not gonna give up space mommy because he is crutched.

[@ILUmyMy]

@@CharizardLv95 i agree, hal complains so much about ''bad'' bang ults or smokes or cat walls while playing horizon ( the least impactful character out of the 3 atm) while he himself fks up horizon ult many times as well and obviously doesnt get shit on over it bc again it has lower impact in comparison to bang ult or cat wall, so he should man up and play bang or cat

[@CharizardLv95]

@@ILUmyMy problem is, bang is hard to play on roller. Not hard but MnK on bang is better because of tap strafe + double time. He crutches horizon so he won't switch.

[@yautja1298]

Amazed how Reps is still playing with this man-child. Hal is a terrible teammate. Always trying his best to make his teammates feel bad.

[@Apex_Suprim]

hes the IGL if he tells smoke the Zip then god damn do it they are a pro team he gets mad but he wants his team to play at peak and u only get there by pointing out what went wrong and if ur a comp guy u will get mad for sure hal is misunderstood in many ways reps prob thinks the same otherwise he would have quit TSM by a long time same as Evan

[@Asdayasman]

@@Apex_Suprim He never said to smoke the zip, and you write like you are four years old. Use some punctuation.

[@JustDeacon]

I love how no one ever calls out Hal on how abusive he is. 😂

[@Apex_Suprim]

hes the IGL its his role to get the shit for his team together and that means being the dick from time to time yes hes maybe a bit over the top still does what hes does best and thats being the best IGL we ever seen hands down hate him or love him

[@ILUmyMy]

most ppl ignore it bc TSM wins a lot, if that ever comes to stop for a long period of time ppl will def go harder on hal

[@Apex_Suprim]

not really he already showed why hes the goat @@ILUmyMy

[@Asdayasman]

This comment section is full of those callouts. One would imagine the reason you don't see it in his chat so often is because those who can tolerate watching him are as equally socially stunted, and don't see anything wrong with how he conducts himself.

[@lightningwithin9186]

An entire episode dedicated to TSM. I'm here for it.

[@deathhunter1029]

This is gold content

[@1234epps]

Big E is the model player of what a coach wants to coach I’ve heard this guy keep his ears open and mouth shut unless he has a relevant question. Hal as good as he his it his his weakness when your coach trying to figure out what went wrong, and you’re arguing amongst each other just not good

[@Huhusyah]

classic toxic hal at it again....🤣🤣

[@Esunetti]

A blight on the community and contribution to terrible com interaction in apex as a whole.

[@xReisk]

Worse part its a scrim... imagine being this mad for a scrim which is used to point out mistakes like this.

[@dipsetny9291]

Hal isn’t even the best player out of the 3. That’s what’s funny to me! He thinks everything is about him!

[@Ghxstizz]

this the shit you hal meatriders swear makes the team better lmao

[@seck1ng766]

Tsm wins next lan confirmed

[@djatlasmusik]

it aint about empathy, jordan smokes sucked but you going up sucked too, both are true both your plays sucked

[@reggiefoelife]

I’m gold player 😢

[@madd.villain]

Hal is the textbook definition of a privileged child who gets what they want, his talent and skill makes him believe he's always in the right and it's only become more obvious as the years go by. If you were new to the pro Apex scene, you'd never guess this team has been together for years the way he talks to Reps and Big E.

[@DannnyPhantomx]

People talk shit about the way Hal reacts to things but those same people either 1 don’t play comp apex or think bc they’re Gold in Rank they have a valid opinion, 2 also forget to realize Hal is one of the best Igls and has won in Algs

[@p4nd4lol]

And you are an authority on how competitive Apex should be played? What are your credentials? I completely agree that a gold or a plat level player will probably not make the correct assessment in the heat of the moment, but from reading the comments and in hindsight, it seems that people were correct. Hal did not have to die there at all. He might be a great IGL, can’t take this away from him, but you also can’t deny that he handled the situation incredibly poorly. His teammate made a mistake, he got tilted and died. Maybe we should stop excusing poor behavior just because someone is good at something. Hal might be a great player, he might even be the goat, but he damn sure is not perfect and this is a glaring example.

[@Asdayasman]

Oh yeah I forgot that because you're the best in the world at one thing it makes you completely immune to all criticism for other things, like that time Bobby Fischer was the best in the world at chess, and was also a huge anti-semite, but that was ok because he could beat Jews in chess. Silly me.

[@DannnyPhantomx]

@@p4nd4lol I agree that he handled the situation poorly but people have been coming at him for a while on how he treats his teammates. That’s what my point was. Yes he is a dick at times but if it’s working then it’s working. And his team clearly has stuck around and rode through the bs Hal says so it doesn’t seem to be a big enough problem for them to leave.

[@ghostmania.]

No bro we are just mature adults who have lived in the real world and know how to speak to others. Sure his method of doing things works. But to what end? And how much longer will it last? Imagine how much more legendary he’d be if he’s a tad nicer to his teammates.

[@Yagmur-nf6yh]

He was spitting fax here. Other IGLs have a lot to learn from Hal. Honesty and discipline>>>>Empathy if you wanna win.

[@Boss921]

It's like people are purposely missing the point. Honesty and discipline is fine. Insulting and dismissing your own flaws is another. In the real world your boss can deliver harsh criticism and if your feelings are hurt then that's your problem. But when he starts insulting and berating you then best believe you're getting a call from HR. Yelling? Excusable. Frustration? Fine. Throwing when the situation was salvageable and then shirking all blame? Come on...

[@codelogic9018]

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