Halo Situation Out of Control, Cheaters Destroy Halo MCC.

[@MintBlitz]

343 made a public comment today saying they're investigating the reports of the cheaters. If the investigation warrants development on their part to fix the issue, they'll see how many resources they have available to fix it. Best thing we can do is make as much noise as possible so both 343 and Microsoft are forced to fix it.

[@SunnyMitten]

We should use this as a signal to say "Screw Halo", and either use mcc offline only or just pirate halos 1 and 2 and get eldewrito and have only the bungie stuff. 😂

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

Arby n the chief is the Simpsons!

[@Spendingryan]

Just realised this is huge because the next game could use easy anti cheat and unreal, and what does the menu system in mcc use? Unreal. This cheating situation is unreal lol

[@stickyfing3rs534]

So basically, if the remedy is going to cost time, people, and money, we'll need Microsoft to okay it.

[@piolo1023]

What the hell is there to investigate there is a plethora of evidence every day dude

[@marty1459]

The cheaters are such sweaty little losers.

[@Aiyfaa]

Sweaty ? Nah they suck

[@dackbowland1876]

@@Aiyfaasweaty and they suck

[@Gr3atWhiteHop3]

Sweaty cause they're f@ As F**k😂😂

[@SLAYERxX420]

people in general are now

[@YoyMcFroy]

I can't imagine being such a loser that you'd enjoy spending your time ruining other people's fun. Really stimulates their 1 brain cell.

[@cobain2261]

Everyday it becomes more undeniable that we are in the darkest era of Halo ever.

[@petzouqi76]

Man you're still in denial?

[@jakev1341]

Even Halo 4 and 5 weren't as bad as this.

[@cobain2261]

@@petzouqi76 ??? I'm saying it is undeniable that we are in the worst era ever. It becomes more undeniable every single day.

[@cobain2261]

@jakev1341 it's so much worse now. There has never been this much time that has passed after a Halo release without an official announcement of the next game. Despite that, everything current is basically abandoned with no support (MCC and Infinite.)

[@MatthewMessmer-me5ji]

It's the dark ages of halo

[@nicholasshealy9040]

I think I’m being led to believe cheaters are the biggest losers in gaming.

[@Glacial_floofs]

that wasn't already obvious?

[@YuYuYuna_]

Not a bold take. They absolutely are. Anyone who cheats in a multiplayer video game is 1,000,000% a loser IRL with no friends.

[@Thomas.c4647]

Not just in gaming, but in life as well.

[@foreunner8]

Biggest losers in life

[@Prevail-]

They are, if you cheat in a multiplayer game no matter the reason, you're the reason why these games suck. They ruin games for their own gain, at the cost of hundreds, thousands, or millions of other players. The problem is they dont care though, they only care about themselves.

[@F3lyxF0x]

Tf2 bots get banned, and immediately I start hearing about the same tragedies happening to mcc. What a world we live in.

[@JasonHamHamwich]

No shot, they fixed TF2?

[@MementoPervenire]

@@JasonHamHamwichyeah they cracked down Super Hard on bot hosters and their Alts and even any new accounts they made hours after getting their main accounts banned. I mean you might still find bots but it’s way less than what it used to be

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@MementoPervenireI’ve seen 2 hackers since the update, neither were bots, at least they didn’t act like bots. That’s playing almost every day for an hour or 2 since the ban wave.

[@1Ayudon1]

"We trade one villain for another."

[@jamiehughes5573]

Wouldn't be surprised that the old TF2 bot hosters/cheaters moved onto MCC instead

[@LSparrow66]

As cyber security professional, this is very scary. If they can use the game to remote into your client they could possibly do a lot more damage then just ban you from the game. They could steal real life data or even upload malware to destroy your computer. This is inexcusable

[@FakeAccount-vw9gi]

Terry fine

[@FakeAccount-vw9gi]

Terrifying

[@OASI382P4]

Gta 5 literally gave Access to youre Computer...it can get worse, dont worry.

[@JohnDoe-qu8mk]

Call of duty has had this vulnerability for years unfortunately

[@kodyack]

This is assuming they're remotely accessing other peoples clients and that's how they're doing things. I don't think that's likely given if you were able to get that kind of access to someone elses computer, especially with an installbase as large as the MCC, you're going to do different things than make it so that the other player can't reload.

[@adaptcap115]

Microsoft worst mistake is discontinue Halo MCC

[@danjjjatest]

No the worst mistake was bringing Halo on PC. These hackers are not console players. Edit: Consoles Obsolete? P55 at 62M sales.

[@WonderMePartyStrip]

@@danjjjatest Blah blah blah. MCC is forever on PC. Consoles are obsolete.

[@zombieoutbreakprod]

​@@danjjjatest Yeah because nobody ever used to hack on consoles

[@ThomasHendrickson]

@@danjjjatestlmao no

[@SmogFTW]

​​​@WonderMePartyStrip shut up

[@braxwhitney]

I don’t think 343 actually exists. I think it’s just a myth company and the games made by 343 were never funded in the first place. I love Halo so much but the treatment these games are getting is fucking heinous!

[@redd1765]

343 fixed the problem at first btw this only a PC problem. Stop always blaming 343 for EVERY SINGLE THING

[@redd1765]

Halo fans don't know. 343 BROKE. start complaining to Microsoft instead of 343. That's just making it worse

[@zero1487]

@@redd1765343 is broke because they make broken games that completely disrespect the Halo customers and the Halo legacy. Of course Microsoft is the big bad here, but stop trying to absolve your favorite company of all the bullshit they’ve created. 343 sucks just as bad as Microsoft because they’ve only ever given us reasons to believe so. After over a whole decade they’ve still yet to create a good Halo game that respects the legacy of Halo and launches complete. Blame Microsoft all you want, but don’t pretend 343 hasn’t had any part in it

[@b3njys235]

You are right 343 has never existed it is literally just microsoft who created a fake team to sell Halo with out halo 343 does not exist it was always just a cash cow using the Halo name.

[@Pack52022]

I waa the fairest guy to 343 but the literally hired people who HATE halo​@@redd1765

[@mal6010]

If you're hosting a CGB, they can join, immediately steal host and kick you from your own game. It's almost impossible to stop it.

[@PhilsterChief21]

Custom Games Browser is affected as well? So disappointing to hear. I haven't noticed any issues when playing lately but maybe I've been lucky. Microsoft / 343 get your act together. I still hold out hope you'll complete the fixes on all the MCC games one day but damn the least you can do is keep cheaters from tarnishing the legacy of this legendary collection of games.

[@TheBoss.-tq2vm]

Dear god.

[@SeanJohn127]

Whats cbg

[@JamesTDG]

It can happen in firefight lobbies too, but they're not as frequent. Just make sure to set lives to infinite to prevent spawn camping from immediately ruining the game

[@xenosceptile5101]

I've seen some people get banned and kicked in customs but haven't been the unlucky soul targeted yet.

[@FordHoard]

Cheating on any games is pathetic, but cheating on games from 2001 to 2012, that old of games, is just fucking as sad as it gets.

[@darkspark5854]

Mcc an Infinite having major issues. Halo 5: WELL WELL WELL.

[@Spendingryan]

Halo 5 firefight is still alive, with enemy vehicles and we do have more addon weapons like the halo reach grenade launcher, and the halo 1 desert eagle style magnum, and the wasp itself was an add on aircraft to h5, which is used today in infinite, only crappy thing is you have to earn them by playing using thr crappy card system.

[@bowdown2carnagehalo247]

You can actually find slayer matches instantly on H5 lol

[@tijera1234]

No, it has lootboxes

[@JERKeNmahGERKeN]

The pros of not being a pc game = no poosey skill less cheating losers

[@JERKeNmahGERKeN]

The pros of being an console only game = no cheating skill less pc players

[@CerberusGenesis]

I stopped doing MCC multiplayer due to this. just been playing the campaign when I wanna play MCC

[@BadgerFromOz]

Are they in Firefight MCC?

[@CerberusGenesis]

@@BadgerFromOz don't know, I don't touch it. stopped all multiplayer when the issues started to avoid my account being banned

[@theffapanda]

@@BadgerFromOz Definitely not, they mainly target ranked/streamers as mentioned.

[@CuznLuvn69]

​@theffapanda it's very rare but I seen it on social unranked games on reach too

[@theffapanda]

@@CuznLuvn69 agreed it happens but since the cheats cost so much money (up to hundreds a month) they typically aren’t randomly doing it in social

[@rifleman22]

343 and Microsoft don't care about their fans. I'm starting to think they never have.

[@HolyCannoliBob]

Yes friend. Their goal was to make money and they succeeded. The goal to make impressive video games hasn't been a priority for two decades now.

[@stellarthealiendeer]

They are a corporation after all they don’t care

[@bigmack70]

343 has behaved with incredible contempt towards the Bungie Halo games and the fans of the Bungie games for 15 years. They are a studio full of bitter incompetent hacks jealous and resentful of the success of what came before.

[@redd1765]

Mint blitz is talking to Microsoft in this video yet 343 still catching strays. Stop blaming 343 for everything. That gets annoying. 343 budget is $0 while Microsoft has billions. Yall cry to 343 every chance yall get

[@RePeLSTeeLTJe--]

Guess they named themselves like Guilty Spark for a reason...

[@lambdachi107-gamingandmusi2]

This is why every multiplayer game needs community-run servers. They are (mostly) safe havens from the rampant cheating that goes on in matchmaking because it's at the admins' discretion who can or can't play on them, rather than having to rely on an automated and circumventable system.

[@KingKrouch]

Shame that PirateSoftware will make a complete strawman to defend games that don't have this. Team Fortress 2, Black Ops III (with t7patch), and Titanfall 2 were only playable on community servers for the longest time.

[@lawsonhill1356]

I mean there sort of is via custom games browser. The host can kick players out

[@chozochiefxiii3298]

Ai bot support in custom games should also be a standard feature. It keeps these games alive forever and is a fallback in case stuff like these hacks and cheaters occur.

[@hellishcyberdemon7112]

You just run into another problem of abusive admins, ive seen my fair share of bans because of politics

[@lambdachi107-gamingandmusi2]

@@hellishcyberdemon7112 A sacrifice I'm willing to make so that I can avoid my game being hacked.

[@bruhtholemew]

Just a reminder to the "PC caused this" comments that the MCC would still be a mess had the PC ports and the updates that accompanied them not been made.

[@JamesTDG]

Additionally, this doesn't stop cheaters from finding ways to exploit the Xbox One version of MCC. I remember the day the JTAG cheaters came to Xbox 360, and they'll absolutely not skip a beat to abuse the Xbox platform if they cannot just cheat on PC

[@anastraykiwi]

This is just sad. While I'm not much of a 'regular multiplayer' person and prefer campaign or Firefight, my heart goes out to the people just trying to relax after a long day with some multiplayer games who get hit with some lowlife powertripper who just wants to ruin everything for other people. This needs to be fixed. Looking at you Microsoft.

[@BadgerFromOz]

Firefight rules

[@WonderMePartyStrip]

Firefight sucks on MCC. Just a bunch AFK's walking the same path.

[@BadgerFromOz]

@@WonderMePartyStrip I'm talking about Halo Infinite's Firefight.

[@carsonhunt4642]

It’s been an issue with call of duty for 5+ years now ever since they added (forced cross play) with pc. And now gamepass makes it even easier to cheat across platforms. Also doesn’t help that all this stuff is just 3 clicks on tiktok. Back in the day took big iq’s to pull off. Now any kid with $5 and tiktok does it

[@JamesTDG]

The annoying part is that cheaters are finding their way into firefight lobbies. ATM it's the ones who don't have the cheats on crack, mostly just ones that let em switch teams and fly, but you know what happens when there's a crack in the foundation...

[@rorykeefe8954]

I will NEVER understand why cheaters cheat. Like, even if you’re bad without them, there’s always room for improvement! And improving yourself and your abilities actually feels good! Why even bother when you’re not even playing the game?!?

[@babgab]

Maybe it's like the TF2 bots where someone was angry at the devs for some change they made

[@rorykeefe8954]

@@babgab but even then, why use other peoples’ fun and enjoyment as a weapon against someone/something you, just one person, is upset at/about?

[@HolyCannoliBob]

@@rorykeefe8954 try not to make sense of it and rather move on. Cheaters cheat and liars lie. Why? Literally no one in history knows why they do but they sure do. Also some people get immense enjoyment from your unhappiness/anger. They are called trolls/psychopaths and they consist of at least 30% of society (2.4 billion people on earth without empathy or the desire to play fairly)

[@babgab]

@@rorykeefe8954 You probably shouldn't assume that cheaters have functioning empathy for others. A better assumption is that they are sociopaths and narcissists who take pleasure in the rage of others and feel powerful when they are affecting someone negatively, or that they are so focused on hurting 343 that they don't care about who else they hurt as long as they get what they want (which is likely the case for the TF2 botters, who were mad about the hats economy).

[@babgab]

My most absolutely charitable interpretation is that they're willing to hurt other people's experience to get 343 to fix the MCC client's vulnerability to cheating, either because they are so focused on that and don't care about other people or they don't see any other way to get 343 to listen.

[@nickwilliams7511]

Halo Infinite is so unpopular that cheaters would rather not even bother with it

[@Menace2f]

Like bruh 💀

[@YuYuYuna_]

For real lmao

[@MacBreezyy]

Really goes to show what a fire shitnado 343i released to the public. It’s truly pathetic. How many of those clowns at the top are still there? The Kiki wolfkills or that bald guy who went from a community team member at bungie to the creative writer lead… We’re not putting the right people into the positions and it’s been showing for a DECADE atp.

[@diegoangel8610]

Yeah

[@homiewithanextrachromie5970]

That's a big ouchy

[@isaiahlevi6189]

With the older Halos and Call of Duties both having a big problem with hackers it almost makes you think they are being paid😅

[@MultiSPARTA10]

Funny thing is most of them actually pay a monthly subscription for those cheats lmao

[@illwillpress100]

theres a lot of money to be made coding and selling cheats sadly

[@Kyle_Schaff]

They treat games like a job because they don't have much going for them that gives them a sense of power and control in their real life. They need an outlet for those emotions. And, not being particularly considerate or empathetic in nature, they'll use you as their plaything for the shallowest fulfillment their shallow mind could find

[@blackagent4754]

​@@Kyle_SchaffMay they suffer punishment for doing this to others.

[@halo3productions911]

The biggest concern for me is someone compromising your computer. This has been done in the past with other games (like BO2). With the kernel level access EAC has, it's a very real threat (and I have no idea the last time 343 updated it). This is the reason I dual-boot. If nothing else, 343 should be held accountable for the massive security risk they've dropped on the community. Selling an abandoned game is criminal.

[@MajesOnTheXbox]

343 is reactive, not proactive.

[@SleepingChimes]

real

[@silverbackbacon5]

They don't even react

[@JokingJay]

If only that were true... If it were, they'd be doing something, bc there's a lot to react to at this point.

[@blackagent4754]

Nah, 343 is RE without the active.

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

So its literally Fragban straight out of Arby N the Chief!!! Next up, exploding power supplies!!!

[@Sidewinder1996]

Wheres tossers when you need them

[@Starman.2957]

😂😂😂😂

[@Sidewinder1996]

@@Starman.2957 fr33z3, t0ss3rs! G3t down on teh fuking gr0undz!"

[@ARandomSpecOp]

FrEEeez! t0serz! Get d0wn on t3h fUck1ng gr0und

[@naturalborndylla]

​@@Sidewinder1996 FREEZE TOSSERS GET DOWN THE FUCKIN GROUND

[@cordedquill4286]

343 better send a cease-and-desist letter to the cheat hosts. That should prevent them from updating their cheats when they are patched.

[@elrinconcuriosodesally3528]

Maybe with a demand as big as absurd it sounds depending on the age of the site and go one after another

[@vaktra]

That wont work cause their tool for midnight AUTO updates, the owners just add stuff to it, they dont gotta do it as a server does it.

[@tricktroll142]

... that aint gonna do much, there is a different between hosts and developers.

[@some_dawg]

343 are known to NOT do anything for their fans so I dunno….

[@vaktra]

@@tricktroll142 That is true but midnight is pretty smart, the owner is really smart the things he has made is yeah, i question it a lot. i mean MCC's addresses aren't protected at all sooo.

[@gojiradestructor]

We need to save Halo like we saved Team Fortress 2. Halo MCC is one of the few multiplayer games I still enjoy and I've had enough trouble trying to find players for custom games. These hackers are beyond pathetic.

[@smallestgoober9399]

It's obvious looking at the news updates on steam, 343 would rather farm ESG points with their "insert identity politics here" player emblems than actually sell a functional product.

[@tohur]

the fact they can give you cheats and take control of your account mid game shows EAC has a remote execution exploit...

[@MintyLime703]

I always hated EAC. Then EAC banned me with zero reason given from Battlebit Remastered and my appeals were completely ignored. Now I completely and utterly fucking despise EAC. They don't give a shit and I highly doubt they'll do anything about this.

[@1LonelyBoi]

EAC is stupid. It's good at banning innocent people but bad at preventing cheating.

[@JasonHamHamwich]

​@MintyLime703 my friend had to completely reinstall EAC the other day because every game would crash

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

Almost like kernel level anti-cheat isn't a good idea or something...

[@tutiadhd]

It's a game / dev sided issue, not solely EAC. This same thing happened in Apex Legends, albeit without the self banning thing. A hacker gave cheats to pro players during an official Apex tournament remotely. Both MCC and Apex just have lousy, reactive devs. Fortnite has the same anti-cheat yet hasn't had it this bad ever.

[@mrmackish]

I encountered a cheater on Xbox MCC a while back. They some how had the Acrophobia skull activated on multiplayer... Or a cheat like Acrophobia...

[@TheMasterGamer94Meck]

Cheaters + Terrible SBMM + low number of players = Death

[@Highrollinhunter]

Agreed that's what happened to WWE 2K24 and Halo Infinite

[@warmike]

does MCC have SBMM/EOMM in casual?

[@TheMasterGamer94Meck]

@@warmike Yes, and it's pretty bad

[@IDKnIDGAF]

Last good halo game was halo 4 change my mind

[@Highrollinhunter]

@@IDKnIDGAF agreed

[@brickson98m]

Man, it’s crazy that they can do all that. You usually don’t hear about cheats to that level unless a game is very very old. They should 100% continue to do at least security support of MCC, as sooooo many people still play it.

[@fananderson3913]

343 is like the government of California. In charge of this amazing thing and somehow manages to screw it up

[@RageUnchained]

California is a failed state. It’s not an amazing thing. It’s a godforsaken desert

[@Louts]

Easy Anti-Cheat is so bad. Idk why companies use them, they are just as bad as punkbuster

[@IaeyanElyuex]

Because it's free or cheap as free. Word of advice. If your software is cheap or free, the product is *YOU.*

[@flarezona9889]

Really put the "Easy" in cheating

[@MintyLime703]

Only anti cheat to have ever banned me from a game for no discernable reason. Their appeal system is a formality. They don't fucking care. Only other anti cheat that ever banned me as a false positive was Battleye back in the DayZ mod days, and they promptly responded and did right by me. EAC hasn't even given me an automated response despite sending an appeal every month since October 7th, 2023. Battlebit Remastered was the game they stole my money with.

[@TheSeriousSoul]

Kernel level anti cheat is just corporate spy ware to collect even more of your data. There is literally no reason for it to exist. Thankfully Microsoft is considering siloing programmes that have kernel access after crowd strike took down so many computers across the globe which would limit the effectiveness of these forms of anti cheat that don't even work anyway.

[@spankyjeffro5320]

Invalid analogy/argument. Anti-cheats being compromised does not mean they shouldn't exist. In fact, it means the exact opposite; they need to exist and they need to be consistently updated. Cheaters will always try to find a way to get past the new anti-cheat, so the anti-cheat needs to also constantly find a way to prevent them. Remember, no security is infallible.

[@jamesbarnes5769]

Literally had a game where when ever i looked at someone the died. Left the game quickly to avoid being banned

[@Adamestr]

I wish microsft would hire mint blintz as a remote worker to make corporate decisions

[@aloneastronautx]

And let's keep them THEM DogPoop Hackers away, Little mfs needa stop cheating

[@JamesTDG]

5:02 if they take this step, I'm pretty sure the MCC and Infinite community would be legally allowed to collectively sue Microsoft for millions, if not billions in damages for allowing hackers to destroy private property.

[@Matanumi]

Is it Microsoft they go after? They'll lawyer up and stop that from happening

[@spankyjeffro5320]

You would have to prove it destroyed your private property and have already had said property valued, otherwise you'd get nothing but a bill for legal fees and no winnings.

[@Ilovechaos383]

Why can’t halo players get a break for a bit.

[@rifleman22]

Getting piratesoftware's eyes on this is a fantastic idea.

[@alexjackyperson101]

Honestly that dude will say all the fixed 343 can do, one fixed they can do is have multiple companies at this, one company can't do all the things since they are under staff (that how it feels like), plus it will get us more halo games

[@SinbadNaiver]

So, first Team Fortress 2 with the bot crisis, now MCC with the cheaters and hackers...good thing i stopped playing it then.

[@silverbloodborne9495]

Dont forgot Titanfall

[@stellarthealiendeer]

I play the halo mcc campaign

[@Folfah]

furry

[@SpartanPM4K]

I think there might be an inside job to ruin the older games with bots and cheaters. To try to force us to buy the new stuff

[@illegalprimagenzeta]

​@@Folfah furry

[@alexrangel490]

I doubt they even care honestly. If it stops people from playing MCC, the hope is to get them on Halo Infinite where they have their battlepass and store..

[@jittercritter]

I decided against it since taking control of someone’s actual account is probably not something they would risk, but ngl my first thought was “what if these ‘hackers’ are hired by 343 to make MCC less desirable, so people play Infinite instead’ lol

[@AmbientShrub]

Sad but most likely true.

[@thelouster5815]

@@jittercritterThat’s almost impossible but it’d be peak dystopia if it were true.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

Skill matching and all the missing playlists from classic Halo 2, 3 and Reach are what killed it for me. MCC was a downgrade over Custom Edition and Project Cartographer.

[@matthewredenbaugh1110]

This reminds me of Arby and the Chief

[@garypinholster1962]

As a BF fan, I feel this "I love this franchise and it destroys me to see it suffer and fail".

[@Aether-Entropy]

343/MS won't do anything until they get sued.

[@CtKEngage]

Pretty much. There is grounds to sue for this because of the severity of hacks (that could get even worse) and the fact that this is now in part a non-functional product people paid money for. Even whatever jargon may be in the terms of use can't fathomly excuse them for this happening.

[@richardwright359]

We need counter hackers⚙️☢️

[@naterpotater7739]

I was just thinking that 😂

[@nobler1050]

If the fine for hackers is in the millions and they can actually afford to pay it, I would assume developing hacking tools is profitable. Is it more profitable than income earned from an older game? If so the hackers they will win in the end. A game can only finance active development for so long, especially if people are more willing to pay to cheat. I have no idea just thinking out loud.

[@SpartanPM4K]

​@@nobler1050 Would the hackers want to continue if someone started tracing their locations and hunting them?

[@pat5431]

Counters: AimShit - Causes enemy hackers to snap aim and shoot at everything but your body. AntiWalls - No box or seeing you through walls, but shows all the other players behind them for the wall hacker, so the hacker ends up oblivious and confused. ReboundReport - Rebounds a hackers bullets off of your body and back into their head. Also sends 100,000 bot cheat reports through the banning system, and changes the other hackers killcam to a blatant cheating montage video from KZbin. 100,000 more reports added after every single attempt/rebound kill.

[@nobler1050]

​@@SpartanPM4Kthat would be great if the community worked together to do this

[@magma_man750]

2:30 bro was having transformation from The Thing 😂😂

[@Spumoon]

So many games are like this. It's more rare to find a lobby without cheaters in EA Battlefront II right now (which also uses Easy Anti-Cheat). Last night I was top of the scoreboard, when suddenly every time I went to Respawn at Default spawn, or points A,B,C,D or E, my camera would be a view of the sky. I could only get around this by spawning on a squadmate. Other times, the hackers switch everyone's camera view to a slow pan through the map, or outright close the lobbies when they're losing.

[@bigmack70]

MCC is the best halo game, by far, and the clowns at 343 and Microsoft are treating it like abandonware. I hate this garbage company

[@scpgamer]

They abandoned the cross platform 2/3rds of the way through the game, meaning I can't play campaigns (besides 3&odst) with my pc friends

[@Rhydgaled]

@@scpgamer I really want to see the rest of the improvements they were working on, like cross-platform play, completed and released to us as well. I think the best chance of getting it now might be to port HALO 5 to PC (with cross-platform play, mod tools etc.) and have 343/Microsoft treat H5/MCC as a single product from a commercial perspective. In other words, H5 would become part of MCC from the point of view of having a single team of staff having to split their time between updates for both H5 and MCC). However, given the difficultly of actually putting H5 into MCC, H5 could technically be a separate executable and not part of MCC from that point of view.

[@Grimmits999]

I'm not sure what kind of enjoyement someone gets from doing this...

[@Sidewinder1996]

Making other people miserable... which honestly is more of a testament of how pathetic these parasites are.

[@greenchild38]

I care a shit load about Halo. It's literally what helped mold most of my cherished childhood memories. That's what hurts the most I suppose... 343 has pretty much gone backwards with mostly everything. 😞 so much potential

[@HolyCannoliBob]

Its okay friend everything is temporary and we had a fun childhood playing video games compared to kids playing with sticks and cans to kick. It sucks what 343 has done but evil corporations are always going to prioritize making money over a fun game for the fans

[@atleastimtrying5391]

Just like with Star Wars, they went out of their way to make an intentionally bad product Everything that’s happening right now is intentional

[@spiffygonzales5160]

That's the crazy thing ain't it? People always go "Omg why do you care so much" when they mess something up. But like... we were the fans originally. It's a franchise we loved. Guys like us are the reason other people know about it at all. So if they don't care about it then why do they care enough to change it?

[@gohard2.085]

These hackers are fucking LAME. Imagine this being your purpose in life, to grief an old ass game day in day out. I feel sorry for them… 💀

[@joefer5360]

The thrill of the game for the hacker isn't playing the game. It's deconstructing and having absolute control over a piece of a server/software. It's a way of showing their "l33t haxorz skillz".

[@thelouster5815]

@@joefer5360”l33t hax0r skillz”. Man that’s some ancient lingo right there. Takes me back.

[@He_Shall_Reign_Unto_TheAges]

​@@joefer5360 Or it isn't that deep and they just find the experience to be fun out of limited circular logic. Selfishness doesn't always require a rationale; it just "is."

[@elwen8525]

Halo needs the same treatment that the Titan fall 2 community gave with North Star. Halo needs a custom server browser.

[@comedyreliefguy5112]

They should make it so you automatically load into one of those servers or shuffling them around for variety for you, as an option at least. I personally hate browsing custom server lists, but that's just me.

[@ZoraEpsilon571]

This is very close to becoming Titanfall 2 all over again...

[@Berdox_]

At least they fixed titanfall 2 and you can play it again

[@diegoangel8610]

Being a Halo Fan in 2024 is pure pain...

[@LightningZetton]

that's why I only play the campaign. campaign is better

[@victorcastaneda1990]

Same here

[@X2011racer]

Nope. I had a hacker intrude the Campaign while playing Solo. Kept Spawn killing me while NoClipping, with the Oddball!

[@thelouster5815]

@@X2011racer Clip or it didn’t happen.

[@X2011racer]

@thelouster5815 Didn't clip it, as I didn't think of it at the time. It happened on Xbox, which is double bollocks that a PC player would cause me grief like that.

[@calebhenry3601]

At this point, we literally need to consult the Halo Community Yellow Pages to find the smart lawyer around who knows how to properly draft a bill for the U.S. Congress to ratify that would outlaw the use of cheats in player vs. player arenas in video games and the production of cheats for player vs. player arenas in video games.

[@purplebatdragon]

I finally get around to trying Halo multiplayer, and this happens. Born too late to play Halo online, Born too early play Halo online. :(

[@doootuz]

Wanna get Microsoft’s attention?? We can all file a class action lawsuit. That will get their attention

[@Sidewinder1996]

Screw it, why not. I'd send 200 bucks to support the legal fees

[@HolyCannoliBob]

Just stop. This will never work

[@stellarthealiendeer]

If we can do them for a billion or more otherwise there’s no point

[@wolfgang6469]

@@HolyCannoliBobactually it would.

[@IaeyanElyuex]

Can't! Ya sold your soul when you signed the Arbitration clause!

[@roseberry24]

Yep. Happened the other day to me. Absolutely ridiculous

[@BryBryH2]

Because of all the hackers and cheaters I just stick to playing the Campaign or Browsing the CGB

[@Flygonial]

it's good that they aren't infesting the CGB by your accounts but these same cheats absolutely can ruin those as well. truly vile.

[@Phantom_Aspekt]

I've come across them in the CGB every time I've played over the last few months, one of the players I banned in my own lobby kept returning with different profiles and even told me to stop banning them. The CGB is literally just a modified party system so all the downfalls of matchmaking still apply here, what we've always needed for MCC on PC is a traditional server system with plugin support like Halo Custom Edition had, that way we could manage our own system for dealing with these people.

[@Flygonial]

@@Phantom_Aspekt I've had my frustrations with players abusing kick after host dips out and they get privileges, but these exploits are on a different level. Ouch. Yeah, our lack of options on this end add insult to injury. For all the outcry TF2 players have made over the bot crisis, community servers have been a thing in that game for most of its life and this kind of vulnerability is unthinkable. I've probably put more hours into Halo than any other game except maybe various Pokemon saves + fan games + battle sim time, and it's downright depressing to see this happen.

[@BeeDaWorker]

"Weapons on the ground get fired" Imagine a custom game where every weapon is a heavy explosive weapon lol

[@Andrew-gm1du]

File a law suit. MS and 343 enables all this. They are not protecting the customer. Customers are being punished. Ppl need to hold others accountable and that’s not just the hackers.

[@Fina1Ragnarok]

Is there any game where EAC actually works?

[@silverbloodborne9495]

I wish

[@AndreJoke117]

I don't think bro, "easy-anticheats" is a good meme for me

[@nesper8]

A man once said easy anticheat is the best anticheat Because you can just turn it off

[@bloodmoonangel8925]

​@@nesper8*because it's easy to turn off Nice Sseth reference

[@LaRK-SK]

If microsoft wasnt so busy chasing the fortnite money they might have addressed this

[@AH-64Delta]

A human protest out the front of the Microsoft headquarters, perhaps

[@jamieisjabba]

I've not played halo online after unlocking every halo reach and anniversary skins, did not know this was a thing until now.

[@sylvershadow1247]

this sounds like a security breach rather than just a cheat Microsoft needs to beef up their security

[@andryuu_2000]

They fuck up with Windows, imagine how bad they are at everything else

[@Titanos-vc6zh]

Halo: Hackers Evolved

[@JJ-lv2pj]

Every hacker has no live or not going outside for once and not planned to be with someone, getting a job, or having fun with friends or family

[@williethejones]

Any chance we could get a mass-class action lawsuit going against Microsoft/343? It's definitely been more unplayable for me the last few weeks, and I pay only $17/month, but feel like I get cheated out of my monthly value by getting kicked/cheated on. I'd guess thousands of players would feel the same way, and would be onboard with a class action lawsuit to settle this.

[@AmericanFarmerHVAC2024]

This makes me sad. I just noticed on Steam a few weeks ago that the MCC was 2.5-3 to 1 on Infinite player count. Knew it would be too good to be true.

[@Spartan_Tanner]

By the way, most of this stuff isn't possible with the Editing Kits, especially at run-time in an official matchmaking lobby. The hackers/script kiddies are using some form of cheat engine.

[@spencerhuckins8197]

What is the point of cheating on these games? What the hell?

[@KarltheBarl]

Cheaters think that being a Rick online is hilarious and because of that they act like the most obnoxious people in existence

[@KarltheBarl]

Dick* auto correct trying to tone down my words

[@atleastimtrying5391]

My conspiracy is that they’re being paid to ruin the game.

[@spencerhuckins8197]

@@atleastimtrying5391 for what possible purpose??

[@finkamain1621]

@@spencerhuckins8197 So then it might force more Halo players to stop playing MCC's MP and to go install Infinite's MP

[@CargoShorts7]

As much as I hate defending 343, I think you hit on an interesting point Mint. 343 probably doesn’t have the resources to address these issues in MCC. And on top of that, I bet there’s a certain level of them not wanting to either. I work in software development and while it’s not in the video game industry, I do see it all the time where the older legacy apps just get harder and harder to support and eventually just get to the point where no one in the company thinks it’s worth the resource allocation it would take to fix. Sadly, I think that’s what’s happening to MCC here

[@MintyLime703]

@@shrek7679absolutely fuckin not, what?

[@mistermoo7602]

Then they literally have no excuse not to make the game open source and free.

[@JasonDuaineHahn]

While I don’t totally think it will happen, I sort of feel this stuff is just going to get MCC delisted by Microsoft, or have its multiplayer functions wiped. I would love for them to give MCC some TLC, but it just doesn’t look like it’s going to happen.

[@Zd0g119]

We werent ready for cursed halo 2.0...

[@SG-fm9wd]

Why is that when I leave a game for a few months something bad always happens. First black ops 3 now MCC!?!

[@Fireheart318]

Grand Theft Auto Online is notoriously full of cheaters & hackers. This is somehow worse than that. That’s honestly impressive!

[@6Twisted]

I think refunds are in order seeing as we've been left with a faulty product.

[@IDKnIDGAF]

Good luck with your refund

[@jackblaisdell4097]

Yeah no kidding all this bullshit is getting old

[@calebpipet]

That's not how refunds work

[@JimBrown-q1b]

Mmm, maybe a Class Action lawsuit would be better, with an Eye towards actual jail time due to this being massive prosecutable Fraud. Add that it has many people involved and this turns into a RICO Act level Offense by Microsoft, 343 and others.

[@spaace9414]

yeah lemme return my car 15 years later because it's making a funny noise 😂 let's return my milk I bought two months ago because it gave me gas. what r u on mate ?

[@TenthSgtSnipes]

Ah EAC, the worst anti cheat on the market and yet the most used, really weird why that’s the combo. Hackers cracked the thing ages ago, hell I see EAC screw with regular players more than hackers. And it’s not like 343 or MS care about, well, anything, least of all their community

[@SHADZA4321]

Yeah, I knew I wasn't crazy when I saw a guy staring at my spawn point only to instantly kill me as soon as I spawned in.

[@painrelief3441]

I wouldnt be surprised if this evolves into a massive security issue where hackers can take account information and take people's debit/credit card information. If so, M$ must get on the ball as it would cost them so much more than development time fixing it.

[@solidxsnackssnfearless5371]

Thank god I took a few months of breaks from multiplayer

[@Phantom_Aspekt]

This is why we needed a traditional server browser on MCC years ago when it first came to PC that allows plugins (Like Halo Custom Edition) so we can deal with this stuff ourselves. Been saying it all along, matchmaking on PC allows cheaters to get away with things for far longer than they should.

[@Dean.....]

Server browsers don't exist anymore because game developers want you to buy their next game installment and stop playing their last game. This won't change so long as people keep playing games by developers and publishers who are only driven by profit. Eldewrito is being developed again but the moment it gains any traction again, Microsoft will do everything in their power to shut it down. User generated content and mods combined with being able to host your own game server without the need for a developers dedicated server is the opposite of profitable. It's all about control and being able to force the end of a games lifecycle in time for the next game release is intentional design.

[@Phantom_Aspekt]

@@Dean..... I know and yeah you are 100% bang on, gaming is just too corporate these days when in the past on PC it was generally a bunch of nerds pouring their passion into these projects to be as fun as possible and giving the tools to the players so they can get the most out of the games they've made. With all the negativity that has surrounded 343i for a decade plus, giving back to the community would go a long way toward building up relations and help give Halo a good name again, this is why I suggest they give us traditional servers, that alone would be a massive step in the right direction.

[@fibroidkey7944]

This makes me worried for the next halo MP

[@StruggleBoxing]

Can they do this to people playing on console?

[@chetkelly3099]

Yes

[@Starman.2957]

I kinda want to know how these hacks are even made

[@scooda]

0:45 ok, that one’s pretty cool.

[@w1tt]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

[@Bubberonii]

Thankfully I have not encountered cheating except for once. But I really hope this issue gets resolved. I want to stream Halo! If cheating/ banning starts happening too much I'm not gonna do it

[@tescoshoppingtrolley]

well i guess thats what happened to the tf2 bot hosters after their miserable little comeback attempt died off like a shriveled, decrepit cancer

[@CarRobots]

You're such a valued member of this community. Happy to have someone with a voice like yours here. Cheers man.

[@Wally17.]

This is why I don’t play multiplayer on PC. People cheating in online games is just sad. Sea of Thieves and Halo MCC both have cheating problems on PC, and those are the main games I play when I play online. So I stick to Xbox with no cross-play.

[@stellarthealiendeer]

Exactly

[@BudgiePanic]

343 said they're "investigating"? lol, lmao even. This ain't never getting fixed, they probably think its a good thing because it might cause some players to move onto Halo Infinite

[@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117]

The cheaters are 343 employees ruining Bungie's games to force us to play Infinite.

[@gtotheunit91]

I'm glad 343 is at least acknowledging that there is an issue and is able to force Microsoft's hand, but this was always going to be the eventual reality when development on MCC stopped a year ago because the Halo community lost their minds at the thought of adding some monetization to prove the justification of continued development.

[@redd1765]

I'm glad you not blaming everything on 343, cuz everything aint 343 fault. Halo fans blame 343 for EVERYTHING

[@IaeyanElyuex]

I'm just wondering why everything needs to be actively developed 7+ years after release. How did we reach the point where we're expected to not just be complacent with, but celebrate the games we paid for being made into something different from what we paid for years ago, then accept the cease of functionality when servers shutter, ignore the scam, and consume new product in the cycle anew.

[@flarezona9889]

@@IaeyanElyuex there's not really any proof of you saying that other games are finally updated after 7+ years after release, but with MCC's case there was Halo 5 which forced 343 to drop MCC.

[@IitzAdamly]

titanfall + apex hacking situation amplified

[@PainfulSin2811170]

this is also happening on Destiny 2 STILL even after they brought on Battle eye. People are still circumventing it and ruining PVP, especially in Trials of Osiris.

[@1TuRneD1]

2:24 what did i just witness

[@SkitterMcBoo]

Bruh these hacks are insane 😂 if they keep going it’s going to become sentient and take over the world.

[@MRGtheKiller]

This is exactly why Halo or the MCC in particular should of never been brought to PC for the multiplayer especially with crossplay. It should of stayed xbox exclusive. Doesn't get rid of all the cheaters, but it would of done a lot to keep it alive, once PC gets involved there's cheaters in every lobby on any and every game. Halo was meant for xbox and controller players too and yet nobody wants to bring that up either. Or the fact that people will intentionally TK you for the power weapons you already picked up. Along with constant 4+ man stacked teams when you're playing solo. I played Halo 2 when I was a kid doing splitscreen matches with the whole family, sadly those happy days on that masterpiece of a game are long gone.

[@jonathonshirley4169]

How has halo not been taken from 343 yet??? They have literally ruined everything they’ve touched now. Even the one good thing they’ve made which is just bungie’s work repackaged is now gone.

[@sorrenblitz805]

Microsoft** your problem is with Microsoft, not 343. Stop blaming devs for what publishers make them do. 343 has very little actual control over Halo.

[@ProzacHazuki]

It’s in social matchmaking too I encountered it on my stream

[@IIMIKEYMOII]

I had a group of 4 players just drop n-word after n-word. When I told them to stfu, they found my IP, sent packets to my router and killed my internet for an hour. There is 0% community protection from 343. Ridiculous.

[@CrAzYpotpie]

I am not defending 343, they are horrible, but countless programs where people can connect with you would allow for that very same thing, you are just more likely to encounter it in a place with competitive sweaty losers who have no backbone.