💥 Purity vs Power - R31 Skyline Shootout | Project AW35UM

[@mightycarmods]

Thanks for the invite to drive fellas. Looking forward to seeing you for the next one!

[@wheels.3239]

Moog.. please do an electric conversion.. yourselves, show us. Something cool. I know that you know cool. Im a tiny channel that found KZbin because of MCM. !!! Ps your music is the best sunday music ever!

[@tommurray8312]

was interested in this video, then very keen when moog was involved

[@forbiddenera]

Lol nice job beating them by 3s on the lap mate (I mean on the stock arguably that might be harder and im sure they have more experience with the modded one anyway)

[@LV-FOURTWENTYSIX]

@@wheels.3239 agree 👍

[@gatoLOCOplayloselaughwin]

Finally someone with some R31 content! It’s one of my five most favorite cars and my absolutely favorite Skyline! Thanks a lot, guys! You just got yourselves a new subscriber 💪

[@MotoringBoxTV]

The HR31 wins, because for me it's all about the nostalgia. Cars like that are time machines.. they'll take you back to a particular point in time and let you experience it through all of your senses - sight, touch, smell, sound and taste (if you're keen enough). Modified cars have their place and are great too, but as soon as you modify a car you lose a little bit of what made it so special in the first place. Great video ✌

[@haltech]

Absolutely with you on that one. The drawback is, (there are always drawbacks) to preserve that nostalgia (and its value) you pretty much have to keep it in a garage, under a blanket. Which is kinda sad coz the car wants to be driven.

[@MotoringBoxTV]

Oh I'd drive it daily - use it and enjoy it! Instead of saving it for the next guy 😂

[@haltech]

Haha - that's the spirit!

[@seegee7728]

@@MotoringBoxTV If you sell the BA turbo down the track, maybe you could find a nice R31 to showcase.

[@Matt-dr2bu]

Listen to that RB30 sing the RB note! The HR31 is very nostalgic but I'd be too scared to drive it.

[@fendel_]

Scott is such a legend. For me it's the R31 all the way, modified car that can be used all day.

[@wildzero7777]

The HR31 HICAS was super novel by 1985 standards, but in 2022 the bushes in the subframe need to be replaced and the HICAS deleted. It fixes the floaty rear-end situation like you wouldn't believe. The NICS RB20 on the other hand is beyond saving, and needs an ECCS Red top or later silver top at minimum.

[@johngray5360]

Scotty drives the HR31 like James May then gets in the foe doe and the Dick Johnson comes out! Race car drivers names are incredible! Dick Trickle always made me giggle when I was a kid and others that I can't think of right now.

[@vlt873]

Definitely the GTSX, racing heritage, they look awesome, IRS. Easy to swap out a bigger cube RB later. In saying that the Ti is a very cool and quick car for such a basic setup.

[@Legoman585]

I would take the HR31 GTS all day. Do a little bit of work on it's asthma. Awesome car.

[@Glynbosisto1]

The 2 door HR31 was homologated by Nissan in 1987 for Group A racing as the GTS R with factory Garrett To4E, big injectors, new ecu and huge intercooler. Gibson Motorsport added 22psi boost & a Hollinger 5 speed creating the 500hp RBDET-R race car that flogged all of the other Group A V8 Ford's and Holden's at the time in the hands of Mark Skaife & Jim Richards

[@floody79]

Flogged is a massive exaggeration. They barely finished a race in 1988, and managed three round wins in '89 and '90 in total. What the HR31s did have going for them, as they were much less competitive against the Sierras here than they were in Japan, was that they were simple and reliable, and easy to drive. They were always outgunned in a straight line.

[@Glynbosisto1]

Sierras were 100kg lighter and had more HP so hard to beat with the Nissans. CAMS got rid of the turbo cars in favour of supporting 5litre pushrod ford and Holden V8s after the Godzilla Nissan's changed the sport. This was the start of the end for the Australian car industry which ended as an in economic mess in Australia in 2017 as to he race on Sunday sell on Monday touring cars was a bet on the wrong cars.

[@floody79]

@@Glynbosisto1 I would label that yarn '...based on a true story. Fact is we were second to last worldwide abandoning Group A and it would have had more to do with the lack of any other new homologations since 1986-87, crowd desertion, spiralling cost and lack of manufacturer interest than the GT-Rs (which were STILL beaten by ancient BMWs and Sierras in 1992, even after a proportionally harsher weight penalty to the M3s). We lost the automotive industry in a trophic cascade once the Abbott government cut off the support Holden had relied upon since 1936. Of course this was completely unnecessary as every car manufacturing nation in the world heavily subsidises their manufacturers and logistics channels.

[@jameswesthorp2156]

I have owned both and still own my coupe. They really are night and day different and i would take the GTSX everyday, stock or modified.

[@jakehewitt2520]

Well said James, I have owned both the GTS X coupe & R31 Shilouette GTS 5 speed - standard vs standard GTS X is far better all round performance package👍🏼

[@jameswesthorp2156]

@@jakehewitt2520 its funny you say that, i sold my GTS2 to buy the HR. As much as i loved it and it was a great car to drive i have no regrets.

[@aDaWaN]

The HR31 is on some 15-year old Goodyear Eagle LS2000, so no wonder it was sketchy. I think it would have been better on some newer rubber. But great video nevertheless, love both Skylines :)

[@RetroDillon]

Loved this video alot, I laughed when you said this is the car the grandmas drove around in, so true because I bought my 31 TI from a grandma! Awesome content

[@haltech]

Haha... that's a classic, and it's true, so many of them were just shopping cars for our parents and grandparents!

[@AtrociousNightmare]

That was such a fun episode! Moog's the best. So are you guys!

[@TURBOTRISTO]

really looking forward to getting a haltech elite 2500 for my VL turbo build

[@jrbuch]

Back in the day (we're talking 2007 here) I had the opportunity to buy a HR31 GTS for 5k AUD. Kicking myself that I didn't. Anyhow, good stuff!

[@haltech]

5 grand??? Geeezzz... They're worth over $30K nowadays and are super hard to find too.

[@jrbuch]

@@haltech They are indeed impossible to find. The world was a different place back then. Probably a good thing I didn't become the owner back then, as I'd have probably ruined it with tacky mods being young and naieve. I'm now the proud owner of a Series 3 late model Soarer with a Supra 6 speed and 400rwkw, so life isn't all bad.

[@haltech]

Nice:)

[@ollie786]

@@haltech I'd say you won't find one for under 40k in turbo manual trim! They're really thin on the ground unfortunately.

[@jonsmith9981]

@@haltech I did buy an auto for 5k as a kid, Put a manual, Bigger turbo, intercooler, ect. blew the motor. Now I’ve just kept it in the garage and after seeing what they are asking for them I don’t know what to do with it because what I want to do I might be afraid to bend it

[@SmitherinesRacing]

Why not... be like me.. and do a Nexus VCU and a RB30-26 and have the best of both lol Love the 31 content.

[@SmitherinesRacing]

They both nice examples too.

[@theviking5667]

Love te TI! . Just love the Sedan vide.. I had a Opel Vectra A 2000 4x4 2.0 16v turbo (c 20let )back in the days.. Damn i mis that car.. Thats why Benny's Creta is my alltime favorite! And just alround love for all you Aussies😛.. Much love from The Netherlands..

[@devenrfb]

I own a R31 Passage Hardtop. Factory RB20DET with only 50,000ks on the clock. Awesome cars. Glad to see some video content on it

[@TURBOTRISTO]

This is awesome can’t wait to Watch it

[@Foozefighter]

in south africa we got the 2.8 GTX 2door, inline 6, sohc, NA, it competed agains the bmw 325is, and ford XR6, great times

[@mattswhatiam]

19:32 First time I've ever heard Moog spoken about, by his actual name! Awesome show guys, both very nice in their own rights!

[@Biscuitabuse]

15 years ago I had the opportunity to buy a HR31, wasn't confident in it keeping its then "high" price of $12000. Hindsight is 20/20, and I'm just glad these classics are being appreciated as much as they should be.

[@Jez3134]

I was lucky to find a GTSX coupe about 12 years ago for 5k. Had already had an RB25 + 5 speed swap done. Mine has the best of both worlds I guess, old school charm with modern power. R33 steering rack, R33 4pot calipers and discs, solid Z31 subframe bushes - Hicas is binned, 300kw and TE37s with sticky rubber. Always kinda wanted to build a retro HR31 Z-tune kind of build. Owned all models of skyline, the HR31 I'll always keep.

[@maxbett8845]

Awesome video. Scotty's face after he said you're going round the corner in Drive 🤣

[@haltech]

LOL - there's a meme in that!!

[@paterson247]

'That's the pedal on the left if you're a bit younger'

[@ucan011]

Absolutely loved the moog appearance

[@christinejohnson451]

Seems rude to take those old girls around the track. Love the vid boys

[@bluesterline]

I have a soft spot for both R31 and HR31, but I can tell you it does not take much by way of suspension work to bring the HR31 right up on track (I have one that I turned into a track car years ago, from a really nice road car!) Ironic given the comments in the vid but one of the first things is to disable the rear steer and lock it up tight. The rear just squirms and moves around otherwise. Cool and nice on a road car driven at six tenths but on track it was an answer to a question that didn't need asking. I would love another HR31 as a nice weekend cruiser again.

[@cwj138]

Scott driving "company owners classic pure car" vs "I built this to go fast" is night and day, so responsible.

[@LujinCustom]

Great video. I wish you would do more content on electronically controlled transmissions/automatics. I’m putting together a Toyota dual VVTi engine swap mated to a U340i/U341i. I’m potentially looking at the Elite 1500. What would also be helpful/informative, if you talk about what kind of inputs, etc typically are married/divorced between a Haltech and the OEM ecu

[@catastrophic82]

HR31 for dayyyyyyyys. Perfect date night car.

[@corporalpunishment1133]

My R31 did over 600k that we know of the Odometer stopped working, my HR31 sits is in the garage hoping for club rego.

[@darianistead2239]

Epic video.. I agree 100%. I could never own that coupe, I can't not mod cars so for me I'd take the 300k+ dirty old sedan to keep my conscience in check and leave the purity for the purists..

[@liddz434]

Great segment...well done!

[@mikebaz7843]

Moog said the back was stepping out constantly, but I think it's just sloppy hicas bushes giving that feeling - mine literally fell out when I undid the rear subframe bolts on my GTS-X. I owned a 31 sedan with a locked diff as well, so stepping from that to the coupe with IRS and hicas feels immensely different back to back

[@haltech]

Which one would YOU rather have? Tell us in the comments! In this video we pit our Project AW35UM against its high-class counterpart to find out how does a pristine JDM classic Nissan HR31 GTS compare to a more pedestrian R31 Skyline Ti of similar vintage but modified with a fair bit of modern tech? Oh, and we've invited a special guest to help us decide:) More on the R31 Skyline build: R31 Skyline Wheels, Tyres, Suspension: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3bMf4CLjdmpe80 R31 Skyline Fuel Level Setup: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faSlYmuVeMR7q9E R31 Skyline Build Series: kzbin.info/www/bejne/foOwZaGknZt0j7s . Big thanks to: Moog from Mighty Car Mods: kzbin.info/door/gJRL30YS6XFxq9Ga8W2J3A Luddenham Raceway: luddenhamraceway.com/ Plazmaman: plazmaman.com/ Barrel Brothers - www.barrel-bros.com Prestige Tyre and Auto - www.prestigetyreandauto.com.au Zestino Tyres - www.prestigetyreandauto.com.au/brand/zestino Angry Industries - facebook.com/AngryIndustries Don't miss out on our next video - subscribe to our channel.

[@Rollin8.0]

Have always loved R31s, they look fantastic no matter if they have 3, 4 or 5 doors.

[@offgridas]

My first car was an hr31 passage gt. Pillarless windows. Was only a 20e auto though.

[@sammadis829]

Love r31's japanise and ausdel so glad to be seeing them more in videos. Love both cars but anyone that knows anything about suspension knows a well set up solid rear beats a bad irs any day and hr31's are swing arm irs so I know what I'd prefer.

[@HL-hw6qp]

“This car belongs to the owner of Haltech” [Moog doing skids in the background]

[@christopherdavies8470]

The purity for me... I would like to know are you running the same tyres? As 1 final comments stated, tyres. It be reasonable to think that with aftermarket wheels would come with newer better compound tyres, and they can make a massive difference.

[@sickmick8846]

HR31 GTS is my dream car!

[@ayske1]

Sydney 2000 vibes, thank you!

[@wheels.3239]

Scotty you are the best kind of Evil Genius, Rich....Go the Perversion!!

[@nismosaki4550]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!! PLEASE! PLEASE!!! PLLLLEEEEEASE! Do a FULL rb24det stroker engine!!!!!! I have a 20 block sitting here with a 26 crank I wanna put together. :) Would be cool to see a nice build.

[@turtlemonkey69]

Love this series and both cars

[@StratoJohn]

Also love the noise of that blow off valve. Sounds like a gunshot! 😂

[@mrgtsx]

modern tech in the hr31 would be great

[@JhonathanFrancis]

Want more on the r31 skyline sgli

[@brendanh8705]

Moog it's not your channel haha. Great vid boys.

[@Mardy72]

*Shibata-san has entered the chat*

[@john_p]

"a pedal on the far left" 🤣

[@remyche8768]

Did that hr31 get the auto fold down front lip? Iv never seen one in person only old Japanese ads

[@lockjawjak]

I love this content, keep it up!

[@mathewsammut7537]

You guy should put your R31 4door Up against my R31 wagon LS1 6speed coilovers and big Brakes would be a good match up

[@neutron-au]

When't a green-top turbo barra R31 skyline build coming??? Cheers!!

[@mopishmold2575]

can you recommend good videos for tuning suspension? putting in new coilovers on a 1991 honda beat and want to set it up for autcross

[@SOBER189]

I think you should have put the wheels and tyres off the r31 onto the hr31 gts, may have changed the outcome just a little bit.

[@Turbovanilli]

Wondering if anybody knows if you have to get an engineers certificate once you add a turbo to the r31 skyline in order to get it registered? Reason i ask is since the VL turbo has the same engine and in Japan some of the r31 skylines were turbo maybe the R 31 is considered already turbo ready and so wouldn’t need an engineers certificate. Not sure if state to state the rules are different but I have a TI series 3 skyline and it’s turbo over her In melbourne and Would like to get it registered one of These days. Wondering if it’s as simple and getting a roadworthy then registering it or it needs to be inspected by engineer first?

[@roryspillane6632]

What size converter are you guys running? I have basically same set up

[@SvenQ45]

The power output wasn´t that bad back then. The R31 is one of the best Skylines - especially the hardtop versions! All the features you could have in these back in the day! Yes this generation was more about comfort and luxury but with a sporty note.

[@LV-FOURTWENTYSIX]

4 doors, nice power, auto trans. For a family man like me it's the one to have!

[@A.R.C.77]

The gts-x i use to have had the 2.5 turbo went like the clappers

[@woojunkim9075]

More vids like these pls

[@blu3qc]

that was a tire battle :( wish they had same grip i think the 2d00r wants a rematch ^_^

[@timothyvanes2286]

Dard for the win 🤘

[@shawry65]

Thats why i have a few, s2 silo, s3 cams/ma logbooked, etc with a Heap of Autocross wins with N/A. . Fist car was 16 and reshelled 3 times etc. love my Nissan's

[@Osmocote]

Loved you in Encino Man, dude!

[@R31LOVER]

"Why don't we have both" PASSAGE'S 💯

[@ollie786]

I'd do unspeakable things for a nice turbo manual Passage. That hardtop is just so perfect.

[@R31LOVER]

@@ollie786 with the velvet like material seats!

[@ollie786]

@@R31LOVER the glorious crushed velour!

[@devenrfb]

Passage gangggggg

[@azzamatic4190]

I wouldn't drive with rings on in that HR31 end up scratching up the steering wheel

[@GarageItYourself]

Put some RE003's or Michelins on the GTS and would probably increase it's road n track manners by a fair whack. Still probably has 30yr old bushes all the way through it though 😉

[@gav240z]

What's funny is that when Blair talks about stinky Nissan's we all can relate. :)

[@buggerlugz6753]

32:27 Gandalf laments at the completion of their quest to a hobbit and a dwarf.

[@masonryan5139]

great video

[@Oblithian]

I would still go stock ...Because it has 2 doors. Though it probably wouldn't stay stock.

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

What BLow off valve on the 4 door ? Sounds great

[@Osmocote]

Turbosmart dual port

[@jameswesthorp2156]

Did they tell Moog its 4WS?

[@chasemorse149]

Bro Scott looks 8 feet tall at the end next to the other dudes its insane I thought they were playing a joke but he is in fact not on stilts

[@haltech]

oh yeah, he's a tall unit alright...

[@ByCrail]

Can you guys do a ka24e one vs dual ka24e

[@ross6315]

Preety to watch!

[@fourage5995]

have you actually weighed each car? Where'd that number come from. swear my r31 was lighter than 1400 0_o mine wasn't a Ti though. maybe that's the difference.

[@haltech]

auto-catalog.com has pretty accurate specs for all the models. Ti is listed at 1420 kg.

[@wheels.3239]

scotty... if your'e a littl bit younger, the pedal on the left is still the brake. got me thinkin,.. maybe the 3rd pedal....lol

[@andyjames2082]

Sooo, Scotty just dissed the bosses car 🤣

[@Koup_TV_]

Geez I never realized Tuning Fork had such a heavy Aussie accent... everything with the letter "R" was just Ah - Ah - Ah. Ah Bee 20... Ah Bee 30 😅😅😅

[@tyronestock379]

That Modify Car is Much better Because it Make More Horsepower of the Other Car it sounds amazing at the Race track

[@steekohoopdy4201]

Scott is a giant in this video, looks 7ft compared to the others, I'm guessing he is over 2m

[@haltech]

He is well over 2m. Check out this video where he's driving the MCM Mini: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH3ac3yJjdF9Z7M

[@DRIFTSUNRC]

Yo time for an auto!! WWEgg

[@danthompson5645]

“It’s got brake pads?” Lol

[@haltech]

when you need that confidence boost...

[@bronzeblood]

What you need is a VL making 300+ KW with stock brakes to put the shits up ya.

[@neilspires7259]

1.4k views and only 24 comments? I think they're both sweet rides but the modded one would prob be more my style.

[@haltech]

It only went up a couple of hours ago:)

[@StratoJohn]

Not sure if explanation of clutch for the younger generation was sarcasm 🤔 Maybe I'm getting old 😭

[@jamesglasson937]

I met moog at Bathurst 2016. He said he thought r31’s were a piece of shit, so why is he even judging them

[@haltech]

2016 was a long time ago, he might have changed his mind since then.

[@AnotherClown]

Gear One, Two, Dree

[@andreidoimetri]

I broke it, there were 420 likes and I clicked like...

[@obsidian....]

If they don't even have the same tires it's silly to compare at all

[@geoffpayne6673]

Coupe every day.

[@matthewpettit4367]

Kilowatts, lol sounds like they are talking about ac house electrical. Its horsepower or brake horsepower. Its like saying my car makes 240 volts look, how about yours.

[@mahlok8210]

Supra. 👌

[@Xxassass1n021xX]

Just started the video, but my money's on the dard

[@sebastienceniceros3145]

I really want to know who came up with the idea that the intake manifold should come over the top of the engine on I6s. It's just, so dumb man.