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[@Quixotic1018]

I think with all his accomplishments the most impressive thing about this feud is how they played it out in rhyme and meter

[@cakt1991]

Eliza is the one I support in all of this. Her capacity to forgive her husband for his affair and the work she did to preserve his legacy after he died are admirable, and I’m glad she’s been getting more attention from historical novelists in recent years. I respect the positive contributions of both Hamilton and Jefferson, but the weaknesses and pettiness on both their parts make it hard to pick a side.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

100% She was an amazing woman.

[@NatalieJ22]

This 100%!! The tragedies that poor woman was subjected to because of the things her husband did are devastating, I can’t imagine how she was able to forgive him for humiliating her the way he did. She was a very incredible woman and the fact she chose to do everything she did to preserve his legacy for her family when she would’ve been justified in hating him is pretty remarkable.

[@arlonfoster9997]

@@VloggingThroughHistory I absolutely love Eliza Schuyler Hamilton. One of my favorite patriot women after Martha Washington. Her willingness to forgive her husband after his scandal in the Reynolds affair and cheating on her and deceiving her and then later after he died going through lengths of preserving his legacy despite her grief over oher husband’s 1804 death just shows how a incredible human being and strong willed she was. The musical summons it perfectly “Who Lives who dies who tell your story” and if it wasn’t for her preservation of his legacy than he would have remained in obscurity after he died.

[@arlonfoster9997]

Then future generations might have never known of what Alexander Hamilton accomplished. It’s hard for me to take a side between Jefferson and Hamilton

[@thealic1546]

I like how Jefferson came back from France, and they were like “you’re secretary a state now, whether you like it or not.”

[@detsportsfan18]

To be fair with Hamilton, there was a million things he hadn't done, but one just had to wait...

[@WolfRoseQUEEN]

JUST YOU WAIIIIT

[@Mwraf]

Hamilton at the start: I'M NOT THROWING AWAY MY SHOT! Hamilton at the end: Fuck it

[@arlonfoster9997]

Loved the musical

[@arlonfoster9997]

“Meet the latest graduate of King’s College”

[@arlonfoster9997]

“Meet the latest graduate of King’s College I prob’ly shouldn’t brag, but, dag, I amaze and astonish, the scholars say I got the same virtuosity and brains as my pops. The ladies say my brain’s not where the resemblance stops”

[@vineyarddawg]

"Well, Hamilton says Jefferson is a hypocritical, corrupt slaveowner, and Jefferson says Hamilton is a corrupt, authoritarian, monarchist hothead. You see the problem." "Yes, they're both right."

[@mattperiolat]

I am so glad you mentioned that letter from Eliza Hamilton to James Monroe. You can clearly see why Alexander loved her - they both could use a pen to articulate themselves quite well. And you are almost understating the depth of the grudge she held. Actually, two funny stories - Jefferson may have hated Hamilton and yet, there is a bust of Hamilton in the front parlor of Monticello among political minds Jefferson appreciated. So… with great disagreement comes grudging respect? Also, I visited Highland, Monroe’s estate, a few years ago and happened to ask a docent about Monroe’s relationship with other political figures. I didn’t mean Hamilton, but she immediately thought of Washington and apparently Washington couldn’t STAND Monroe toward the end of his life. I don’t know any details, but it’s fascinating how many bridges Monroe managed to burn on his way to the White House.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Really? :(

[@richeybaumann1755]

28:40 honestly, that's exactly the kind of grudge I respect. Eliza was _not_ a fan of James Monroe.

[@mcpossum]

I can't even watch historical videos on Hamilton without ear buds. I scarred my kid with too much "Hamilton"

[@connoredward354]

I’ve scarred MYSELF too much from Hamilton. I can’t hear the words “after the war” without going “a-after the war I went back to New York”

[@mcpossum]

@@connoredward354 it's playing in my head... Non Stop!

[@chrisk1039]

@@mcpossum man I just got that song out of my head. Well at least it’s a great song lol

[@mcpossum]

@@chrisk1039 I wish I had a friend IRL that liked Hamilton. I could sing/rap it with.

[@jonsampiro]

@@connoredward354Except I always hear that to the Fresh Prince theme

[@soumajitsen1395]

Although I am in favour of Hamilton in this feud and believe that Hamilton's vision for the US was more accurate than Jefferson's, the two represented the poles of politics and balanced each other out. Without Hamilton, I am unsure if the USA would have become an economic powerhouse, and without Jefferson, I wonder how far Hamilton would have gone with his concept of strong central government, we all know how that can turn out to be.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I definitely more or less agree!

[@austinlittke5580]

Agree with every word. Hamilton was much more brilliant than jefferson by far, and jefferson was much more two faced and histrionic and petty, but he did provide a balance as u said.

[@svenrio8521]

Both kept the us moderated.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@Austin Littke Hamilton was an expert in political double-talk.

[@austinlittke5580]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 elaborate/examples (as im looking for a more educated opinion although im fairly well read)

[@Avatar1977]

Remember when watching this video folks, I don't know what you've heard but whatever it is, Jefferson started it!

[@mcpossum]

Cause our man Hamilton is just non stop!

[@eleanorallen7846]

And he ain’t gonna wait for it

[@arlonfoster9997]

He’ll never be satisfied

[@wwciii]

I have always admired John Adams while Washington retired when he wanted to and passed the torch to his hand picked successor Adams was voted out of office and turned the presidency over to someone he disliked (hated).

[@parulrawat9893]

Adams was very great... I like how historians have started to treat him better..

[@arlonfoster9997]

@@parulrawat9893yeah I think that HBO series did him justice. I also do like Alexander Hamilton and have seen the Disney version of the musical in 2020 during Covid. I think as far as principles go, I think even though both men hated each other even though they were in the same political party, both respected each other’s principles. They were hard working virtuous individuals who loved this country and I think American leaders back then loved this country more so than they do now unfortunately. For this 2024 election I have not heard a single word or moment in which Biden or Trump said anything respectful about one another. I think the problem is that politics has become more polarized and filled with hate and division

[@stuartm6069]

Hi Chris, you mentioned in the Video that the rural/urban divide would define the country for the next 100 years. I would respectfully submit that this divide is still going on into the present day. Red states versus blue states.

[@TheMitchyb61]

Just wanted to say, that you did a heck of a good thing for Decades Yesterday! I went and subscribed and so did about 9,000 other people! You’re a good man!

[@JGibz-eg7jd]

he got epsteined! what a great comparison. couldn't stop laughing

[@Ghatbkk]

I am definitely a Jefferson proponent. Hamilton's view may have lead to a stronger economy, but it did it at the cost of both individual liberty as well as liberty for the United States as a whole. It's worth noting that Jefferson, Madison and Monroe would serve as Presidents for 6 consecutive terms, and that the country would be solidly behind the Republican-Democrats and not in favor of the Federalist viewpoint for decades (the Federalists would basically disappear). Hamilton's ideas are mostly shelved by Gallatin (who proves to be a much better Secretary of the Treasury) and completely derailed by President Jackson. Hamilton's ideas aren't resurrected until Woodrow Wilson does so (I find it interesting that you take Hamilton's side given your position regarding Wilson). As noted, Hamilton was a monarchist (even proposing during the Constitutional Convention that the USA adopt the British government form as is, just substituting an elected Monarch). Hamilton cared not at all about the people struggling like he had, he wanted a new aristocracy and he wanted to be in it. While Jefferson demonstrated over and over that it was the people is who he thought should choose how they were governed. Hamilton may have not liked Jefferson because he saw Jefferson as an aristocrat (I doubt this, but I will yield that it is possible), but it was Hamilton advocating for an aristocracy and Jefferson advocating for the rights of the people and even popular vote.

[@williamstocker584]

I wonder if Washington hadn’t died in 1799 and lived maybe another decade would he have tried to intervene in the Burr/Hamilton duel

[@josh6706]

I think he'd just want to chill on his porch and watch the patomic go by.

[@dawsynasay4841]

Washington came across as someone who wanted to stay out of political affairs for the most part

[@robbieclark7828]

@@josh6706”Oh shit” -George Washington reading his mail a week and a half after the duel

[@dodgermartin4895]

Long live JEFFERSON's memory as a GREAT American.

[@forgottenfamily]

Y'know.... I wonder how Jefferson's views were influenced by what he witnessed in France and the Reign of Terror that followed his departure

[@nekoboy56]

Well...he did state that the tree of liberty had to be watered by blood by patriots and tyrants....sooo maybe a necessary evil?

[@austinlittke5580]

not at all in my opinion.

[@slimguy94]

Damn the founding fathers could legit be a soap opera

[@jaded9234]

I'm more philosophically aligned with Jefferson myself. Reading his opinions on governance and even his attempt to end slavery in the nation where it was still firmly embedded, “You know that nobody wishes more ardently to see an abolition not only of the trade but of the condition of slavery: and certainly nobody will be more willing to encounter every sacrifice for that object.” This would include his attempting addition of a slavery abolition amendment which was shot down by the others. Being over a decade or more younger than many of the others, he often seems like the 18th-century equivalent of the optimistic 'young man' among older more resigned people, like Washington, who knows that it would be impossible to sway others to that way of thinking at that time. Individual liberty, the autonomy of self, I could see what he was dreaming of and that dream caught me. Among other things, made me realize that there was someone living in that time who did have those thoughts back then. Some of his 'rants' do a real good job of describing later figures who rapidly increased our international role and subjected us to a wider, 'global' standard which is being confronted by and trying to enforce itself through various organizations in multiple countries at this point. Tbh, Historical figures will be judged in varying ways that seems to forget that they are human. I recall it being suggested that Jefferson could have possibly had Asperger's, judging by his manner and actions. His preference for 'bookishness' over more 'manly' pursuits and his constant studying of various disciplines was always interesting to me, like the mechanical novelties at Monticello. Much that leads me to wonder if he may have been more similar to Franklin, had he not had to consider 'appearances' and maintain the 'image' of 18th century 'upper-crust'. Who knows, but as I said, despite their larger-than-life images, they are all human, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, their imperfections are part of that.

[@dambreaker]

200 years later, politicians still act the same way. (Minus the dueling.)

[@marianmaraffko8051]

Would be kinda better if they duelled

[@joshbull623]

​@@marianmaraffko8051 Gave too much power to the people, can't have that. Also, in todays day and age, how? Half the country doesn't have and doesn't want weapons, not guns, weapons. NY and CA they tried to get rid of pepper spray and tasers, in NY at least where I am from, took the SCOTUS to strike that down. Also, even among gun owners, most are not actually carrying out off their property. What are people expected to duel with? You think cities are just going to let people walk around en mass with swords or something?

[@joematthews4952]

Well, being British, I'm predisposed to siding with Hamilton, who was himself pro British, over the pro French Jefferson. I have to say that on their political views, I find my sympathies lie with Hamilton, but again, as a Brit, the idea of "States Rights" isn't really a thing so I am bound to say that. In terms of their character, I think Hamilton was a far better man than Jefferson, but I think most would agree that Jefferson doesn't take much beating in that regard. So, overall, that's 3-0 to Hamilton. I should just note however, in the interest if fairness, I do accept that Jefferson was a good President.

[@irondwarf66]

Love your videos. On this occasion we disagree asi tend to prefer Jefferson even with his flaws to Hamilton who was disliked even by members of his owm party (Im thinking John Adams in particular) and strikes mr in everyway as a man who would have strangled the republic in his pursuit of power.

[@austinlittke5580]

I have found that to be mainly a myth and overblown (Hamilton's ambition and pursuit of power). He many times didnt respond even to jeffersons petty crap

[@johnweber4577]

There's a lot that Jefferson did for the United States which I can truly appreciate, but yeah. His propensity for acting like both a limousine liberal and a perpetual revolutionary don't do him any favors. I think he earned his place among the American pantheon, even if I also ultimately tend to lean toward Hamilton as well.

[@Thjestir]

I know you have a natural bias to Jefferson.. but thank god we had him and Hamilton both at the inception of this country.. both of them did great things in their own right

[@wadesanecki7269]

I side on the side of Jefferson. I say this as I am related to our 3rd President by way of my mother´s family, an old Virginia family dating back to Jamestown, in 1620.

[@lukaslambs5780]

What’s interesting to me about this video is how I feel like both men have arguably a higher profile rivalry/relationship/feud. Hamilton and Burr comes to mind as does Jefferson and Adams!

[@wanna-be-thinker2377]

What even crazy is at least 3 of those four *HATED* the other three, and, in less I'm mistaken, all 4 hated Monroe!

[@meemo32086]

I would argue that we are still divided along the same viewpoints that these two had.

[@Logan0o]

TJ all day

[@finnlawrence-knight221]

Hi Chris, I was wondering if you’ve ever done a video on the musical Hamilton? Would love to see you break down some of the songs or look at some of the inaccuracies in there. Love the vids!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yep. It was one of the first videos I ever did on the channel

[@finnlawrence-knight221]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Thanks! I’ll check that out tonight.

[@zacharygrouwinkel1534]

Team Jefferson

[@netizensarrest4241]

Time to order some food and watch this video lol. Love watching your videos to decompress! If you haven’t seen it already I’d recommend the channel Royalty Now. Even if you don’t do a reaction ( although I’d love one) I think you’d enjoy the content. I personally enjoyed their videos on George Washington and Joseph Bologne especially.

[@jeremybarber6259]

Could you do the battle of Cannae series by Invicta? Your reactions are really good. I enjoy them a lot.

[@yxoomi]

Pretty sure most of us can't even watch, see, or hear anything that's related with Hamilton without hearing a random song from Hamilton the musical lol

[@Jamessmith-xk3fh]

I love Weird History videos. I follow them

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

Many years ago when I was an undergrad, back when you did your work with pens and typewriters, I wrote my first term-paper on the formation of the two-party political system in the U.S. and went into this feud in some detail, way back before Hamilton was a Broadway sensation. When I started my studies I was a Jefferson fan. By the time I finished I had become more of an Adams man. Jefferson was right in his basic concern about the federal government becoming too powerful and he was right to buy Louisiana when the opportunity arose, even though there was no power granted to him to do so. I also liked that he told the Barbary Pirates to get F-d and sent the Navy and the Marines in to deal with them. But he was too much a revolutionary for my taste, not quite Trotsky or Che but he did have a place in his heart for permanent revolution. He also had a knack for causing division and engaging in mischief in the background during the early days of the republic. He was the driving force behind the rift between Washington and Maddison and he egged Maddison on in 1812, pushing him toward war then, in typical Jefferson fashion he did his; "what, me? I wasn't even there" routine when it looked like things might not turn out so well for the home team. And for a guy who claimed he didn't want to be in charge and was above petty partisan politics he sure engaged in a lot of hanky-panky that indicates otherwise. But his biggest disservice to the nation was planting the seeds of nullification in response to the Alien and Sedition acts. That helped set the stage for later crises such as Calhoun's fight with Jackson and provide a justification for the Civil War. Like I say, I started out liking Jefferson a lot, I just didn't land there after separating fact from myth.

[@OrbGoblin]

I think you need both of these men, and you need both of these ideas competing because they both have their place. When you're governing a nation, sometimes you have to set aside principle for practical matters. Whether that means asserting states rights or national power as the situation calls, you need capable passionate people who can champion either cause.

[@jstappin]

They forgot to mention that Hamilton hated Burr so much that be actually backed Jefferson over him, despite how much he hated Jefferson. Better than that, he hated Adams so much he buried him in public basically assuring Adams would lose to Jefferson.

[@feartheamish9183]

Not striving for approval but for influence. Two separate ideas for the future of the US.

[@AdolpheMuret]

Yeah, Napoléon was conquering Europe but Napoléon’s conquests in western and central Europe were mostly achieved through defensive Wars: the War of the second Coalition 1798-1802 (Napoléon was the first Consul of France at that time), the War of the third Coalition 1805-1806, the War of the fourth Coalition 1806-1807 and the War of the fifth Coalition 1809. (The Russian and Peninsula conflicts will be his only offensive wars).

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Yeah, I've noticed a mischaracterization that Napoleon was short, therefore he was compensating by invading Europe, but the general trend was that all these Coalitions formed to take down France, even before Napoleon rose to power.

[@nps86]

I *mustache* about that thumbnail 😂

[@Cowboybrian01]

It’s hard to take a side in this feud, Hamilton was power hungry there’s times when those closest to him were worried how far he’d be willing to go to reach that vision. Even John Adams was worried about him (and that’s saying something). Jefferson was more protective of individual rights but like Hamilton was willing to go as far and low to get what he wanted his vision to be. I side with Jefferson purely on his attempts to protect individual liberty and attempting to minimize the power of the federal government but think he stooped to low to reach his vision when I believe he could’ve done everything he did without doing so.

[@bpfd]

I would love to see your reaction to the recent Extra History video about The Gnadenhutten Massacre.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I saw they had one. Been to Gnadenhutten many times. I think they pronounced it wrong in the video though! It’s pronounced Guh-NAD-en-HOOT-en

[@bpfd]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Actually that's the old pronunciation. As a long time resident of the village, it's pronounced Gna den hut ten. At the time it happened you would be correct.

[@eth629]

Completly off topic question but which team do you support in the BPL? I've been a Man City fan since 2006 myself

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

None. I’m a West Brom supporter.

[@eth629]

@@VloggingThroughHistory good ol west brom, they'll be back in the BPL one day 🙏🙏

[@historytheorist]

This is kind of off topic for this video, but today's Grant's birthday and I know you are a huge Grant fan.

[@historytheorist]

@vloggingthroughhistory thanks for the heart! I've never received one before, so this is really cool.

[@2TrillSenna]

You need a campaign slogan on the Hamilton 1800 shirt.

[@williamwallaceoftheus8033]

I find it honestly hilarious how these brilliant men could be so petty.

[@Slingudwig]

Hamilton wanted a Monarchy

[@parulrawat9893]

Just a misconception

[@Pat4President1]

I, as a Virginian, take Hamilton’s side.

[@ImperatortotiusHispaniae]

When did dueling become illegal in the U.S.?

[@ANonAmerican]

Have you ever read about Jefferson’s bible? I think it sheds some insight on his view on Christianity.

[@Zcp105]

It's important to keep in mind that this is the first example of a republican government in the modern age, and that Hamilton and Jefferson were part of said government's first administration. It's only natural that both men would make missteps and do things that cause second guessing. Having said that, if all issues and debates were laid out on a table, I'd probably side with Hamilton on about 60-70% of them. When I think of Hamilton and his philosophy, I think of his experiences in the Revolutionary War. That war was almost lost multiple times, not because the Continental Army was in danger of being annihilated on the battlefield (although that also almost happened a couple times), but because there was a constant danger of the Army disintegrating. Washington was always having to plead with congress for supplies and money to pay his troops. As Washington's Chief of Staff for most of the war, Hamilton actually wrote a lot of those letters to the Continental Congress. Under the Articles of Confederation, congress was hapless when it came to acquiring these things for the Army. In my opinion, this provided a clear example to both Washington and Hamilton of what would happen to the new nation under a weak central government. Hamilton may have had monarchist tendencies, but I think his intentions were correct, and his ideas were much closer to developing a sustainable government. However, Hamilton was an incredibly ambitious man, and someone did need to be around to keep his ambitions in check. Thankfully, he didn't have the temperament to get elected as President. He was very partisan and had no ability to temper his rhetoric or appeal to moderates or opponents. Despite my misgivings about Hamilton, I have many more beefs with Jefferson. I'll agree with VTH that the Declaration of Independence is a brilliantly written document. It is the most prominent endorsement to the idea that people are capable of governing themselves and much of the modern age is owed to that document which was primarily written by Jefferson. He was clearly a brilliant man, but he was also of aware of how smart he was. We all know someone who's very intelligent, but they need you to know that they're smarter than you, and they will belittle your view and "well-actually" you until you concede to their argument. Jefferson strikes me as one of those people (To be fair, I get a similar vibe from Hamilton, but much more so from Jefferson). The other big issue I have with Jefferson was his affinity for the French Revolution. Jefferson thought the French Revolution was what the American Revolution should've been. He accused Adams (who had been his friend, no less) and the Federalists of trying to institute tyranny while making excuses for and explaining away the reign of terror and the XYZ affair. Jefferson passionately advocated for a small central government and for autonomy of the states but started singing a different tune when *checks notes* he became President. Then things that he had criticized Washington and Adams for were suddenly necessary to maintain the security of a free state. In the end, I believe that despite personal motives and my tendency for one over the other, both men were instrumental in the building of America. Both perspectives were necessary, warts and all, to create a functional Federal Government that exists with the purpose of protecting the people's natural born rights. And although the US Government has done a highly imperfect job fulfilling that task, the end result of these men's efforts have achieved a lot more good than bad.

[@craigl0902]

Would like to recommend a channel called 'The Time Travel Artist' that makes short but information packed timeline animation videos on the lives of famous historical figures, events, locations & more.

[@mism847]

Yeah, I discovered him two months ago and since then I haven't missed a single video. It's a great channel and I hope VTH can react to it.

[@craigl0902]

@@mism847 Yes a very underrated channel for sure. Spread the word!

[@parulrawat9893]

Yeah I follow him for over a year. Particularly British Monarch timeline

[@thecynicaloptimist1884]

It is said that some people just like to fight; people like Alexander the Great, Napoleon, or Patton. Jefferson seems to me to be a guy who just loved to argue.

[@arlonfoster9997]

Interestingly in the John Adams HBO series Hamilton is seen as the bad guy but in the 2015 Lin Manuel Miranda Broadway musical Adams who isn’t even in the show is portrayed as the bad guy. Funny how cultural depictions work 😂

[@wwciii]

You need to find something on the Sultana disaster.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Been doing research on that for my book as there were several 20th Ohio men who died in the Sultana.

[@wwciii]

@@VloggingThroughHistory A great book is Disaster on the Mississippi even though it does not mention the possability of sabotage (coal bombs) which were known to be in Mississippi coal stacks.

[@stephenparker6362]

​@Vlogging Through History if you're looking for a video on this I can recommend the one by Fascinating Horror, called The Sinking of the Sultana, it's very good. 31:35

[@Argyle117]

I’m not sure you take reaction requests here on KZbin since you have pattern, but on the off chance you do, would you consider doing a video on some of history buff’s content. He does videos breaking down historical movies and what they get wrong and right. I’d be eager to get your opinion on some of his videos. Especially the queen Elizabeth episodes.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Always welcome requests!

[@Argyle117]

@@VloggingThroughHistory wow that was fast

[@sudafedup]

History Buffs are really great. I have caught a few inaccuracies in their videos, but for the most part they are really on point (especially their video on 1492).

[@cward91726]

Love to see you review and react to Krauts videos they’re kinda long but would love to hear your opinions on some of his videos especially his Liberal History video plz & thank you sir

[@BryanHistory]

Hamilton had extremely strong influence over Adams cabinet and that was one huge issue keeping most of GWs old cabinet. To say he wanted to go back tonprivate life just doesn't hold up. Especially since he was also appointed to the military and had dreams of taking over south America.

[@kieranflemming5877]

It's Grant's birthday though!

[@oliversherman2414]

It's weird to think that the American Revolutionary War was basically a British Civil War since most of the colonists were British by birth or had British parents/grandparents

[@mjbull5156]

I will take option 3 and go with Adams with some caveats.

[@kingrichardiii6280]

one thing i find funny is when people say "the founding fathers intended this..." place what ever political view. the founding fathers were a mish mash of various interests who, in some ways, were more dysfunctional than modern politicians. one founder supported something and another opposed it.

[@shanscheiidt2895]

I think they were both at fault to a degree - though would definitely say that Jefferson went about everything in a much worse way

[@jsl8905]

Seems that there is a similarity between James Calendar and Michael Cohen.

[@demonman2047]

I cannot recommend Sabaton's new track, 1916, for a reaction. For more than one reason, I'm thinking. Providing it's not already under production, of course.

[@sgburk2]

I heard that Hamilton was in fact “just like his country, young scrappy, and hungry”

[@WolfRoseQUEEN]

And he threw away his shot

[@stephenparker6362]

Hi, Chris, it seems to be a massive folly to carry on a feud with someone who is dead. Surely then is the time to be magnanimous. Interesting video as well.

[@jonsampiro]

That's exactly what Burr said at his murder trial.

[@CanadianChick811]

Is that video narrated by Stephen Colbert?

[@sambun6394]

A channel called Linfamy does a lot of amazing Japanese history videos. I think you would enjoy!

[@MarcoStrange]

It's very telling that despite Burr stopping the duel between Hamilton and Monroe, Hamilton still sides with Jefferson becoming the next president. I know you've mentioned in the past that Burr becoming president could have been a disaster, but I feel like had I been in Burr's shoes I would have been pissed to realize I possibly saved someone's life just so he would go on and say he's rather have the person he hates most as president instead of me.

[@austinlittke5580]

From what ive read hamilton was a much better shot than monroe and monroe probably wouldve been killed

[@MarcoStrange]

@@austinlittke5580 I've heard that about Hamilton too. I probably should have added that Burr maybe saved his life, but definitely saved his career. I know he never ran for anything after, but Hamilton still had influence years after being Secretary, and some have argued that in 1808 he could have possibly made a run for president. Mostly cause the Federalist had no one else by then, and Jefferson was disliked for the Embargo act. Whether or not he would have even run, it would have been his best chance if he wanted to be president. Anyways, sorry to get off topic. My point is had Hamilton done this duel and won, his career would have been definitely over at that point. Chances are he would have lost everything and Burr stopped all of that. It is kind of funny to think if Hamilton had gone through with it and ruined his career, does that mean Burr possibly becomes president since he wouldn't have the ability to convince the Federalist to side with Jefferson?

[@wanna-be-thinker2377]

TBF, I think at this point Hamilton to various degrees hated Burr, Jefferson, Adams and Monroe (possibly Madison too).

[@brandonguffey5959]

When chatgpt recomended to you "timeline" they meant Weird history's "timeline" series of videos

[@RealHistoryBuff]

Highly recommend the channel DocuDubery

[@tomhalla426]

Formal military staff positions did not exist during the Revolutionary War, being a later invention of the Prussians. Hamilton was defacto Washington’s chief of staff, partly because Hamilton spoke fluent French.

[@Zuriyi]

Hi

[@kineuhansen8629]

why did you say that name

[@donny_doyle]

Someday, I'm gonna be smart as Chris... 😶

[@sasinator6918]

That Man City shirt in the thumbnail is just there to troll us Arsenal fans. Thought you were a West Brom fan?

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I am but I have a collection of jerseys. That one was sent to me by a fan on the channel.

[@fadingfaze]

Sorry for the spam, but video idea >> Ranking WW2 Countries' Performances :)

[@Sandzy]

They just couldn't throw away their shot and kept running out of time

[@yanihamandcheese4870]

27:50

[@TheNukePlant]

I ponder where we'd be if our nation favored state rights over a powerful central government from the start.

[@bryndensnow]

Always been a big Jefferson guy, that being said this whole feud boils down to just two petty assholes going at each other because one of them said something mean. I mean both men had multiple feuds with multiple people, Hamilton was shot for being an asshole for gods sake, these were not "good people" yet we admire both.

[@Tombobreaker]

His name is Alex-ander Hamil-ton, and just you wait, just you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt

[@WolfRoseQUEEN]

YASSSS A FELLOW HAMILTON FAN

[@DokkyDok]

I think politics are inevitably this way even if the ugliness is not always as visible as it was between Jefferson & Hamilton. In a world where power exists, it will always be wielded by somebody, for some purpose, in some manner, and to the benefit of & at the expense of some people. Its consequences are enormous and inescapable, so its understandable it brings out the worst in people.

[@LlamaBazaan]

pog

[@almetz79able]

Chris....Maria is technically pronounced Mariah. "They Call The Wind Maria"

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

In some cases that is true. In many it is not.

[@almetz79able]

@@VloggingThroughHistory I named my daughter Mariah. I know this. Plus Chernow told Lin to change the song to "Mariah" pronunciation.

[@almetz79able]

West Side Story song "Maria" is correct because she's Puerto Rican.

[@Theturtleowl]

I find the argument that Hamilton could not run for president absurd. If he could not, because he was not born in the USA, no one could. Because the USA did not exist when all the fouding fathers were born. Although I would have loved for the first president of the USA to have been a newborn baby named Liberty or something like that.

[@shanefrederick7731]

At the end of the day, Hamilton did not have to have an affair. Takes two to tango

[@jamesfetherston1190]

While I have nothing but disdain for Hamilton’s admiration for monarchy, I also dislike Jefferson’s “gentleman planter” ideal, which almost favors a new feudalism, where landowners are like lords. Overall I favor Hamilton and think the strong central government was inevitable. States rights was only going to go so far- and was definitely no cure for corruption.

[@kingdaymon6433]

I can definitely tell you have either an anti-Jefferson or pro-Hamilton bias 😂, Nothing wrong with that of course it's just interesting to see how biases affect the way we see history.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Indeed. Both.

[@austinlittke5580]

I dont know how anyone isnt anti-jefferson as a person, he was comoletely two faced, fake, ingenuine and insincere. Just an extemely immoral person who only cared about himself. Even as a statesman he was pretty much always wrong and had stupid opinions, although he did serve pretty good as president although its funny how monarchical he was and how he abused the central governments authority and disregarded the constitution like a hypocrite after all his years of barking about it. Very very poor character.

[@magneto820]

Im with Hamilton

[@teoteo3966]

The narrator's diction reminds me of Jordan Klepper

[@Abdus_VGC]

both were bad boys as far as women were concerned!

[@johnmcmanus2447]

"He kinda got Epsteined." Welp, this video won't be monetized now😂 Hope I'm wrong. You deserve all the success, Chris!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I wondered about that. So far, so good.

[@austinlittke5580]

Lol

[@omalleycaboose5937]

while not as important. tho still very important. I find the rivalry Between Hamilton and Adam's much more interesting, perhaps because I like both men, tho Biased toward Adams, and because at the time they were most against each other they were at their weakest points of character. They brought out the worst in each other

[@austinlittke5580]

As a side note, John Quincy Adams impresses me like none other, he had the most integrity and was the most mature and stoic, just a much better version of his father which is a credit ro his father. My pantheon is Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses Grant and John quincy when it comes to character and integrity as human beings

[@austinlittke5580]

George Washington was great also, his blemiahes from his younger days are forgivable and excusabls by youth

[@parulrawat9893]

@@austinlittke5580 my favorite president- John Adams and JQA

[@austinlittke5580]

@@parulrawat9893 John Adams was good too but the alien and sedition acts really hurt his legacy, although theyre not as bad as people make them out to be given the time and context and popular sentiment if people really read about the times and tried to understand better instead of judging from modern context. But still, thats enough to remove John Adams sr. from conversation nonetheless. But he did maintain good independence and integrity and didnt act like a 5 year old like most the others, he was an adult

[@parulrawat9893]

@@austinlittke5580 you're right.. Even the Alien and Sedition acts was not his plan Hamilton and Congress forced him to sign it and it was initially popular in Congress so he could not have vetoed it.. After Washington left the office it was in a mess and John Adams inherited an already developing situation of war with France which he handled brilliantly. Additionally he was given the most divided cabinet in history of US. He was working all alone, having no one by his side. Jefferson was a bad sport who instead of helping Adams undermined his presidency. Yet a man of integrity and humility he left office peacefully. He gave US John Marshall as Chief Justice.... I hope history would be kinder to such a great yet underrated man😢😞

[@logangamez2168]

idk who is is superior

[@katiefrossard4546]

Hamilton 100%

[@stems2006]

Jefferson was basically French, he spent more of his time in France than in his own country, America.

[@AKAZA-kq8jd]

I'm with Hamilton just man had so much potential.