Hammerhead is NOT a DPS Weapon. Here's what to look for. (God Roll Guide)

[@AscendantNomad]

So I have indeed caused a stir with this one. Listen, you do you. The beauty of Destiny is that you can play your way. But some ways are more efficient, and that's all I'm trying to say here. 😄 Feel free to get mad at me, it's even funnier when you do it when I'm live. I won't bite. Much. twitch.tv/ascendantnomad

[@thealldayspecial]

I don't think we will ever recover from how many people's eyes glazed over the second there was that bugged volatile rounds interaction with Retrofit and just never bothered to see how else things go after the fact, or even more simply how basic math works when reading a damage chart as proof for anything(so many people miss the amount of time it would take for a MG to reach big damage numbers). Feels like there was no coming back when Nez could be pushed over and you could run practically anything. It is wild how confidently people want to argue something that can be proven as a weaker dps option to so much more. I genuinely think there's just groups of LFG people constantly running Retrofits, taking the scuffed Final Stand 3rd phase, and a few people do worse than others(maybe forgot a mod or 4) which bolsters the confidence of people running MGs for dps. It's like the Borg.

[@4zureSapphire]

"Struck a nerve, did I?"

[@amorfati4927]

Atta boy! Respect that hustle and get that plug in! Don’t worry about people taking hard hits on the copium pipe from one or two past bugs (Volatile on Retro and Thunderlord) and old Xenophage. I LOVE machine guns… I really do… and they have their uses. It’s not for bosses in 99.9% of Destiny history. Outside of Xenophage (and there’s definitely better choices) it’s not for add clear in late stages of Legend Onslaught when you have infinite ammo basically an Gjallarhorn exists if you want to be serious about getting those level 50 clears.

[@R377R0]

@@amorfati4927 Rampage/Killing Tally is an unbelievable add/major killing god, in Legend Onslaught. Titan w/AWR mows them all down. I don’t use it for the boss…but for all the waves it’s great.

[@hardluckmk.52]

I’m treating as a replacement for deterministic, but all in all deterministic is still the better ad clear with weaken and volatile triggering stylish executioner and allowing lucky pants over gyrefalcon but i like using graviton every now and then so nice to have a better replacement than retrofit

[@CLouDBRoS]

Incredible Trigger discipline at 40 secs. I would have not survived that one.

[@TeamLumix]

I was fully anticipating an oopsie woopsie

[@freakinschweeet]

That scorn looked an awful lot like the one that ruins my flawless run every time....

[@Jacrro]

yup, id be dead asf

[@atsukana1704]

@@TeamLumixthe way he just walked in front going “hey how you doin?”

[@roadblock99]

Lmao, I thought the same thing! That's a guardian who is well versed in the kamikaze D2 enemy tactics

[@xdreg]

🗣🗣🗣AEGIS MENTIONED?!?! 🔥🔥🔥

[@abstergoltd]

The 👑

[@piercingmite5332]

GOAT MENTIONED🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@bloodthedragon3788]

Meh speedrunners are just kinda boring

[@itsPonkulz]

​@@bloodthedragon3788who hurt you

[@bloodthedragon3788]

@@itsPonkulz how is me being bored of speed runners equal up to someone hurt me

[@seraphlich4028]

I don't care if it's a DPS option. I want it. I will get it. As simple as that.

[@Oblivion9996]

Wewind wounds! Thank you for calling out the machine gun DPS shenanigans. Lfg has been exhausting since hammerhead dropped. Thunderlord and retrofit escapade with their respective bugs have done quite a bit to drain my sanity.

[@groovydolph]

The retrofit volatile “meta” was some of the most fun I’ve had during that time 🤣 wish we could load up previous patches and play during that time. Watching duality bosses get purple popped off the map was hilarious

[@Harrison-zc3hu]

But thunderlord two phases bro, trust

[@KLGChaos]

@@Harrison-zc3hu Did a DSC the other day. Most of the team was using Thunderlord. I went with Apex Predator Bait n Switch. We one phased Taniks, but I also did twice the DPS of everyone else (with a Tcrash in there for good measure when I ran out of ammo).

[@sonnyankau9239]

@@KLGChaos screenshot?

[@Gunth0r]

@@sonnyankau9239 lol, you still need proof for that? Of course the apex + tcrash is gonna be double thunderlord. Watch ANY video or go to any spreadsheet on DPS rotations.

[@atsukana1704]

My gosh thank you sir. Honestly anyone who says the words “don’t use the machine gun for dps” gets a sub

[@sophieirisviel4100]

I think the only time “machine gun dps” shenanigans are warranted is in grandmaster nightfalls, where having edge or a rocket the whole time might be less than good, or something like the lake of shadows meatball where you need something with high total damage since it *will* just eat like 12 rockets and not die

[@AscendantNomad]

Linear fusions would be miles better in that respect, as would Whisper of the Worm

[@sophieirisviel4100]

the other thing i’d note: i don’t think it’s worth it *at all* on warlock or hunter, since neither of those have a way to reload that doesn’t break target lock, while actium war rig lets you dump your entire reserves. Additionally i think in that situation you specifically DONT want extended/appended, to make it ramp up ever so slightly faster

[@sophieirisviel4100]

@@AscendantNomad oh yea definitely, but it’s probably the only situation where they don’t immediately lose as bad as they do to grenade launchers and rockets in other dps phases

[@darrontuagalu8865]

Whisper or linears on lake of shadows boss? WTF you on

[@insomniaddictesp]

Bipod rockets also work

[@FrostyIl]

The goat Aegis being shouted out here is HEAT

[@bloodthedragon3788]

Not really he's just some speedrunner. Thats not impressive

[@atsukana1704]

@@bloodthedragon3788he may not have a ton of accolades but he should be the first source anyone goes to for damage information. He considers all scenarios including based on practicality and theoretical heights. Im just glad in recent months he has gotten more overall recognition from the fanbase so they can learn about how a lot of data works on a deeper level.

[@calusfootpics]

@@bloodthedragon3788 what would you consider impressive?

[@bloodthedragon3788]

@@calusfootpics ill let you figure it out yourself

[@calusfootpics]

​@@bloodthedragon3788you seem a bit slow

[@FM_Beef]

That Scorn jump scare in the middle of the GL damage phase 😅

[@shaq9537]

I feel the rage and sorrow in this comment.

[@ogLenas]

Loving this new era of yours, Nomad. Ramp + KT on a Gyrfalcon hunter with marksman dodge is nutty.

[@Morgan_Blackhand]

I've been using the exact same perk roll, that thing wipes out hordes instantly

[@JA-kr1lz]

Congrats, your whole build is just worse than sunshot

[@ogLenas]

who fucking asked?

[@elizabethhicks4181]

@@JA-kr1lz that’s hard to say! You’re comparing two completely different builds with differing amounts of utility and survivability, where one has its exotic weapon slot taken and the other doesn’t. Hammerhead will also struggle less in orange bar heavy scenarios where Sunshot wouldn’t get the exotic damage buff as prominently. But there’s also something to be said about the ability to equip a different swap-style exotic weapon like Izanagi or Witherhoard for burst damage or fire and forget area lockdown. Builds are more than one weapon in one role in one situation.

[@JA-kr1lz]

@@elizabethhicks4181 not at all. Gyrafalcon hunter with hammerhead (an entire build/weapon) just so you can kill trash tier enemies faster. When sunshot just clears entire rooms with a couple bullets even on GM difficulty, which also not having to make a build around it. And your example of freeing up an exotic slot for better dps rotation? Yeah because hammerhead is used for dps in the first place lol

[@SammiEmN2737]

I love rewind rounds and onslaught! I’m an Actium War Rig Titan, and that makes it work really well! Solves the small mag problem!

[@Legoleflash]

Can we talk about that banger thumbnail though???? 🤩

[@brandinooo]

Your divinity and thunder lord joke was actually hilarious.

[@bachpachary]

That raider at 0:40 was playing a sneaky game walking in front of you like that

[@GamesProject]

I think many people kept in mind the FTTC/Target Lock from the Retrofit Escapade which was bugged with Volatile Rounds because it was dealing absurd amount of damage. I have it, and Commemoration (and old one) was still a gun I'd go back to simply because Recons was so good. I'd get Hammerhead for the unique double damage perk. But Commemoration is such an amazing gun it's hard to ignore.

[@csnation]

The problem with every raid encounter that Bungie designed so far is built around DPS phases. You can only hurt boss in X seconds and then he gets a shield. So total damage is secondary compared to what you can dump out in a short window. Unless they change core raid mechanics somehow and demand that there must always be consistent damage on a boss to prevent such incidents from occurring then yeah, MGs might see some worth I guess. But then again just look at how people farm Kali, they simply force ticks with witherhoard/Dragons breathe/Anarchy and spam her to oblivion with sunbracers to keep ticks up and prevent her from teleporting. That is why the constant DPS meta won't come back. And even if it does, things like Anarchy, Witherhoard and Dragon's Breathe do it way easier.

[@frankeljoseph5182]

destabilizing rounds + killing tally is also fun. great AOE damage & and a damage buff. obviously not as strong as rampage/killing tally but it has amazing splash damage and subclass synergy with void

[@XionAvalonArcadia]

I love my Envious assassin killing tally hammer head. When shit hits the fan, Swap to this and stack up that killing tally for a nice clip size and never worry about reloading it.

[@devinchenigma2652]

i recently found your channel and i cant be happier i did. I cant stop watching and i love your slightly humorous but also very grounded and calm informational style. Glad to be here brother

[@AscendantNomad]

Thank you so much! Welcome aboard haha

[@ramrammer5138]

The James Hoffman of Destiny .. hit me like a fresh pour over.. velvety smooth Nomad velvety smooth..

[@_FrozenPotato_]

Wow. You are so correct and I didn't realise till you mentioned it.

[@typhir5911]

Your comment on Envious Assassin is precisely what I've been saying to my clanmate. It only makes sense if there are too many adds for the machine gun to effectively kill on its own, because it requires you to get kills from your other weapons, which by extension makes it conflict with the perk for an add clear weapon. The fact that the curated roll you get from Arcite's weapon bounty is Fourth Time the Charm + Killing Tally is a pretty decent roll on its own. IMO, because it doesn't have Auto-Loading or Reconstruction makes it rank a bit below Commemoration in my eyes due to the long reload times on a machine gun in general. I'll still farm a few rolls after I finish getting my Midnight Coup, because I loved the Hammerhead back in the day. Still wouldn't use a machine gun for straight up DPS since they are obviously add clear weapons.

[@KLGChaos]

Meanwhile, I'm using Destabilizing/Killing Tally with Actium to make everything explode.

[@frankeljoseph5182]

ah another man of culture

[@Creym464]

Rampage/killing tally as dps Nah i am kidding as ad clear change at -9 wave to envious gl to proc envious

[@andrewmarklowitz2728]

@@Creym464 who hurt you please get therapy

[@Creym464]

@@andrewmarklowitz2728 bro try read fully first I said i was kidding at the end

[@bloodthedragon3788]

​@@andrewmarklowitz2728 someone has no idea how to read

[@blucorsa_]

It's absolutely insane to me that the notion LMGs are good for damage phases has persisted only because of 2 bugs. The first was when Thunderlord was generating more lightning strikes than intended with the catalyst, and the other being Retrofit Escapade proccing Volatile Rounds way more often that it should have been. Both of these were patched fairly promptly, yet people still refuse to admit that machine guns are not the Jack of all Trades they want them to be. Really glad you made this video, hopefully it knocks some sense into people's heads.

[@twoinchrazorblade]

they are dps weapons sometimes tho lol my team used 6 tlords to get plat on caretaker week 3 of pantheon its just gotta be the right circumstances

[@blucorsa_]

@@twoinchrazorblade Because it was Arc Surge, yes, but that's the exception, not the norm. Hothead/Crux was still a better option in terms of actual DPS, but in terms of TOTAL damage, as mentioned in the video, thunderlord did have the edge. This does not take into account the likelihood of people blowing themselves up using Rockets/GLs, nor does it account for if you have active ammo generation in your team (Cenotaph Mask, for example). TL:DR - TLord was viable because the circumstances of that *specific* instance, but is lackluster in virtually every other scenario.

[@baileylee5934]

Just got a rewind and killing tally roll, and it's been great for ad clear! :D

[@R377R0]

Try Rampage/KT on a Titan rigged-Actium. It’s a god for clearing adds and majors. Easy to take against Onslaught bosses.

[@baileylee5934]

@@R377R0 still hunting for it 😭 haven't gotten it yet but I'll definitely try it with actium!

[@KomaBlader]

I have this same roll and I ran it with Doomfangs for the x4 Void boost and just turn it into a demon. I also ran a Ros Arago with Subsistence + Onslaught as mu primary and they both were cutting through enemies.

[@Gunth0r]

@@KomaBlader Ros Arago struggles against anything higher difficulty. Even with onslaught running at peak, It just feels like I'm shooting an airsoft gun. I like the sound, though. It might work in higher difficulties if you have volatile weapons or radiant, but then again, so do most other guns.

[@smiIingman]

I really do think Bungie should give a buff to Machine guns to make them also viable as dps weapons. Me? I *SUCK* At hitting rocket and grenade launchers because the hitboxes are literal perfection, too many times have my shots gone under the bloody armpit of the bosses im shooting at. Or they slow walk in 1 direction and then change immediately as i pull the trigger. Drives me nuts man i swear

[@d4cfv251]

Skill issue

[@verdantnekomoya7965]

@@d4cfv251 “skill issue” is why machine guns are acceptable dps weapons. Not everyone can land every shot with certain weapons, but LMGs are very easy to be consistent with. Low damage is better than no damage.

[@d4cfv251]

@@verdantnekomoya7965 Skill issue

[@nathanflinchum1153]

@@d4cfv251you’re uh, really contributing here, totally…

[@d4cfv251]

​@nathanflinchum1153 have you just tried improving your aim as to not be a massive skill issue?

[@VekErro]

Hammerhead does have some select rolls where it can outdo Commemoration. One great pairing I've been enjoying is a destabilising rounds/killing tally roll with void titan. The aspect that buffs volatile explosions and the fragment that gives volatile to void weapons on grenade kills work to great effect with the perks (especially the grenade energy recharge the foundry perk offers), and at closer ranges ensure that almost every kill heals you.

[@bonesofeao3968]

The only time I ever use a machine gun for dps (not counting xenophage) is specifically retrofit escapade with 4th time+target lock+gyrfalcon on Hefnd's Vengence. Even then, I know I'm giving up better dps options, in exchange for more ammo to last the whole encounter consistently

[@hexiron3852]

I really like my Destablizing Rounds + Killing Tally roll. Really fun for void builds

[@Avoncarstien]

The fact that the damage bonuses from Rampage and Killing Tally stack multiplicatively rather than additively is what really makes this special. You're essentially tacking on an Enhanced Surrounded on top of Commemoration's damage if you were to stack additively, just from rampage. More than makes up for the lower overall reserves.

[@sammadsen8195]

Just did a legendary onslaught with hammerhead with rampage and killing tally with war rig and it was honestly AMAZING. I absolutely love this weapon!

[@fesc9731]

genuinely impressed you said rewind rounds correctly so many times i would never be able to do that

[@amorfati4927]

Thanks for mentioning how reload isn’t really the important stat. A lot of people miss that it’s the multipliers and scalers that make the weapon’s reload feel much better. It’s why Field Prep, even though it does give you 50 reload, feels so good. Why Alloy Mag, if you can stop being a chronic reloader, feels so much better than any of the reload perks (I know, from experience because I got what is probably THE god roll Warden’s Law with Tactical Mag [which gives you enough bullets to shoot until you’re “Out of Luck”] / Alloy Mag / Fourth Times the Charm / Enlightened Action / Vorpal Weapon… and even though Tactical Mag is only 5 less reload than the strongest reload mag, when you use Alloy Mag it feels like Tactical Mag gives you -15 to your reload and not the +10 that it gives. It’s why Speedloader Slacks makes every weapon feel like it has instant reload while actually giving ZERO stat bonus to the flat reload number itself. So many other examples to go with that too.

[@dgtldead]

For people who don't understand why machine guns aren't DPS weapons (from a long time auto rifle user): Auto Rifles = your standard weapon. Trace Rifles = Your special Auto Rifle, it has things going for it. Machine Guns = Your Heavy Auto Rifle, use it as such. All 3 archetypes of weapons are good for SUSTAINED damage, not BURST. This means they do ALOT of damage over time, but DPS windows are too small to take advantage. Use them for everything else: killing TONS of enemies. I hope you now understand 😁

[@steveheist6426]

Well clearly Trace Rifles aren't the same or Actium War Rig would work with them. :P

[@bloodthedragon3788]

​@@steveheist6426i sware you must of come from Twitter

[@steveheist6426]

@@bloodthedragon3788 Nah, I'm just hoping for that + an Overflow / Killing Tally Auto Rifle so I can have 100% Delirium :D

[@PapaAwiz]

Avid auto rifle user myself. Genuinely love autos/lmgs. Very quietly have always felt super relaxed & within my norm with trace rifles. Never dawned on me as to why until I read this, lmao.

[@dgtldead]

@@steveheist6426 Well of course, but in terms of relative performance, just think of it as a faster firing auto rifle, and suddenly it makes more sense.

[@shaunrichardson1491]

I completely agree with your conclusion. I landed a shiny version with rampage/rewind rounds and killing tally/ttt and settled on rampage/killing tally as my go to version. I really notice the damage increase and you can be a bit more sparing with your reserves at the same time. It melts everything in non-end game content, especially when you lean into volatile rounds.

[@mefcalols4446]

i've just discovered your channel and i'm loving all the info on the onslaught weapons. i always feel like i'm drowingin when an even happens that gives tons of weapons (looking at y you 10 taraxipos sitting in my vault). Having some good rolls to shoot for is super helpful. thanks

[@clearlywrong6520]

Another thing to consider is that the BRAVE weapons along with any of the new weapons introduced since the mid-season patch will have their perks be enhancable, even if they have double perks.

[@Mitsch76]

Agree on the DPS .... whenever I encounter a boss wave I change weapons. Hammerhead does really not do it there. Even with Rampage+Killing Tally.

[@z--r0]

Fourth Time's the Charm + High Impact Reserves actually work great in PvP - it takes 4 headshots to kill most guardians (except ones with 8+ resilience), meaning you only spend 2-3 bullets per kill if you hit headshots. And Hammerhead has enough stability to consistently hit headshots even through flinch.

[@YoshiONE2ONE]

The other day I ran a Legend Onslaught while using a support Cenotaph build on my Warlock. For my heavy, I used a Rampage/Killing Tally Hammerhead since I didn't need to worry about using my heavy ammo for anything. I ended the game with well over 700 kills (the most on the team) despite mainly playing a support roll. That is absolutely THE roll to go for. Wave 40+ and the damn thing was still chewing through everything like wet tissue paper.

[@JustinThompson]

You are on point. I was on the Grind to get the Rampage/Killing Tally roll. It's great over all and the clear best option for Gyrfalcon Hunter.

[@j8000]

Rampafe + onslaught seems ideal on gyrfalcon. Unlike KT, the dodges don't reset your second damage perk, and they instead counteract the weakness of the Onslaught (reloads).

[@Twist-kj2fb]

And if you’re gonna use it for ad clear ya gotta run a double special setup

[@youngZX6r]

I don't know about other people but my Hammerhead has Rampage + Desperate Measures. yup, 2 damage perks! Once you get them ramped up, it does some great damage! (+60.1%) and don't forget this seasons artifact, Expanding Abyss! 😎👍 Updated: I think you over looked the DM perk because you can proc the perk without having hammerhead out which makes for good utility!

[@MXCHIXCII]

Ascendant my goat for crediting Aegis, love some creator love !!

[@pittspawn9967]

Just one issue the only reason to use LMGs for dps is like this week they are overloaded in the onslaught game mode.

[@amorfati4927]

Even then… saying you’re using a LMG for “DPS” is being dishonest. Yeah… you might be using it as your primary source of damage but it bastardizes everything DPS actually stands for in a legit conversation. You’d be doing better with some exotic primaries.

[@DeanVarney]

​@@amorfati4927hmm, while I am no fan of using an LMG as boss DPS, you don't get to change the definition of something because it doesn't fit your narrative. It doesn't matter if it "bastardizes" your concept of what a DPS weapon is, they are in fact DPSing with an LMG (because of the overload) Instead, maybe suggest that even with the Overload on, it is still the lowest teir? I for one cannot be assed with pricing Bait and switch, of Cascade poont. But yeah a good rocket with Explosive light and recon would be better.

[@lt3880]

​​@@DeanVarney the context you want to use dps for is meaningless. Youre just doing damage, its the thing you do damage to a boss with. In that case every gun is a dps pick

[@sonnyankau9239]

@@amorfati4927 the epitome of yapping

[@Kirito_DualWielder]

Do you know if you use overload rocket in artifact it will make rockets overcharged and give them the bonus damage. Same is true for all other artifact mods that makes weapons overcharged.

[@theleoshowm3010]

for anyone whose curios because he mentioned it. fttc doubles your total damage because since you get two shots free and those two shots count towards themselves you get exactly double ammo.

[@johtohoennfan45]

I've got my ad clear machine guns already, I'm just kinda crazy and like using them to kill Guardians too. Maybe I'm just trying to relive my Forsaken Gambit days. But seriously, Under Over/High Impact Reserves would absolutely melt a fool nowadays, and Hammerhead's juiced stats always made it feel so nice getting the kill without any consistency perks.

[@bmo8272]

What's the reason for ignoring destabilizing? Just out of curiosity.

[@chrisnichols2896]

No reason. There's more than one god roll for add clear on hammerhead. Destabilizing Rounds with Killing Tally is one of them.

[@drewnader1726]

​@@chrisnichols2896 Agreed. Especially if you build into it, specifically on a titan

[@jonahbrown5669]

​@@drewnader1726That void aspect that gives health to you and teammates when a volatile explosion goes off near you + Precious Scars + Devour = very hard to kill

[@bobalopadus8901]

Most convincing vid I've seen on this gun so far. I think hammerhead would take the top MG spot if you want to go extremely niche with actium war rig, but that's a lot of commitment

[@Logan-fr6uw]

First video I've seen of yours. Subscribed!

[@addsfour3499]

I have all 3 and i love the rampage/killing tally. Onslaught needs reconstruction so you get a substantial time. Also, the range/stability and recoil are fine, so you want to prioritise mag size, then reload

[@Yusis-o7d]

I'm honestly shocked that I didn't consider Rampage/Killing Tally before your video! I don't recall seeing a MG with two damage perks before. Great content as always Nomad!

[@firstnamelastname4752]

I am literally going to sub to you right now for calling out Target Lock. I swear if people realised just how rarely they even get *half* the max damage multiplier, let alone ANY multiplier, they would stop using it. It is a Boss DPS perk that almost exclusively appears on weapons that you shouldn't use for boss dps. You'd probably get more damage on average using frenzy, and that lets you change enemies.

[@warv6552]

Yeah and that’s assuming you never mis aswell. People that use Target lock retrofit on Nez always confuse me because you are never getting target lock x5 when he’s teleporting all around the place

[@t3hpwninat0r]

"but most people don't have friends" thanks, I feel better about it now that I know I'm not the only one.

[@garrettwaters1726]

I dig the target lock roll; not for proper boss dps but as an add clear and champion dps hybrid. LMG’s shred adds without any perks at all but target lock + fourth times makes it significantly more ammo efficient on mini bosses and champions. Of course a rocket is better for pure dps but it is much more specialized and less ammo efficient (besides Dragons Breath lol)

[@jackjaworski9175]

I feel like I’m going crazy, but 4th times definitely doesn’t generate ammo from thin air…right?

[@finefornow_]

it does indeed

[@AscendantNomad]

Perk description: "Rapidly landing precision hits will return two rounds to the magazine". It gives you the ammo you shot back, so in effect yes. Have a look at the reserves count in the footage - doesn't change.

[@ourobordos3120]

I am a strong proponent for subsistence + KT being top pick for ad clear with on HMGs. My brother in Light, I've cleared onslaughts, nightfalls, dungeons, and raids with near consistent uptime. I've made my hill, and plotted my grave.

[@thatnobody915]

One thing with Commemoration, it's just as if not more build friendly than Hammerhead for sustained DPS. It's origin trait grants 0.42% grenade, melee and class ability energy *per hit* as opposed to 5% per kill with Hammerhead. But honestly this argument about both is simple; for sustained damage in a scenario like nightfalls or prolonged damage phases, Commemoration is the way to go, and for ad clear you go with Hammerhead. You can't really beat Killing Tally and Reconstruction for sustained DPS alongside that origin perk. But for quick and efficient ad clear, you can't beat Rampage/Fourth Times + Onslaught/Killing Tally. Similar rolls on both weapons, but the origin traits and the slightly different perks on each allow them to co-exist together in your arsenal because they both fill two different LMG niches.

[@carl6969100]

I just got my 5/5 hammerhead! So excited to use it in the Day One raid!!!

[@MSK-o1n]

They both fill different rolls. For long haul fights like GMs where ammo economy is very important Commemoration is better. For things like onslaught where ammo is abundant, enemies bum rushing you and you need them to bugger off in a expedited fashion then Hammerhead fills that roll better. In the end they both kill things effiently and I'm gonna have both in my arsenal so I have options

[@Caydeson-1]

My Commemoration is an OG Reconstruction Rampage, because before the refresh of the loot I found myself with 75 clears of DSC and couldn't be bothered to farm it anymore

[@dixon137]

its a DPS weapon after you get rampage and onslaught maxed out

[@ezimoase3363]

thank you for this video, remember ppl, machineguns are for add clear not dps

[@suspiciousstew2953]

Agreed. I would go as far to say that machine guns in general are not DPS weapons they are made for mass add clearing whether it's red bars or orange bars or squishy yellow bars

[@cjp8155]

The thing with machine guns is, I don't generally use them to kill pissy ads, I use them on tankier enemies. So for me Envious Assassin is the best option on this. I do have a Rampage/Killing Tally roll but I prefer the EA/Onslaught one.

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

The only machine gun of all of them for DPS for legendaries is Retrofit and that's purely because of its archetype, perk pool, and insane ammo count. Retrofit is the only legendary MG to use for DPS and it really is just a futureproof total damage machine.

[@demithevampireking4285]

Hammerhead IS a DPS option through... Just for the divinity user though so they have a second weapon leading IN to DPS, and if they run out of div ammo for some reason they have a heavy that will do SOMETHING.

[@dirtydan4492]

I never bothered to craft Commemoration so Im very keen on getting that Wewind Wounds/ Killing Tally roll. My Corrective Measure with RR/ OFA can finally rest

[@Hidden-f9u]

I did not know only 11% does raids when to some people its a huge selling point or drawing factor. I guess the same could be said about crucible from my perspective. We don’t talk about gambit.

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

Retrofit Escapade is a DPS machine gun. Commemoration and Hammerhead are both ad clear machine guns.

[@AscendantNomad]

Very very good for total damage and longer damage phases, very average otherwise when it comes to pure DPS

[@Oblivion9996]

Other options like a basic rocket rotation, gl spam, whisper, Levi and even linears are better, we don't have a DPS phase that is long enough on a boss that is tanky enough in a meta where machine gun damage is enough to warrant their use for DPS. Machine guns just aren't in a spot where they do good dps

[@asimplefarmer6747]

​@@AscendantNomad even fir extended dps phases id kuch rather use a linear fusion with fttc or triple tap (such as cataclysmic)

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

@@Oblivion9996 I agree but Retrofit is the only one that comes close to being a legit DPS machine gun. Either that or Thunderlord which takes up an exotic slot.

[@Oblivion9996]

@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX fair enough.

[@silencerstudent9381]

I think we all know machine guns aren’t the optimal boss dps choice but sometimes u just want a heavy machine gun on a build and except that its not optimal for boss dsmage phase

[@alcoholicvillan2726]

Desperate measures is so slept on.

[@ThomasBrandoGreenman]

You're bringing too much class to Destiny! As a first time channel visitor I'm completely thrown off by the lack of RGB lights, "wazzup guys - it's your boy", and the dressed for success and the great music :) Kudos to making a great video!

[@nm3k511]

The only type of LMG I would consider that can be used against Bosses at a more effective level is the rapid-fire frame. That frame with the right just deals more damage than adaptive frames no matter the roll.

[@otisdriftwood7094]

For sure, they deal more dps, have a larger mags and a faster reload. Retrofit is the best for DPS when I solo dungeon bosses. Besides thunder lord that is. High impacts are the worst for dps. The reload is painfully slow. I've killed the ogre in grasp hundreds of times, I found thunderlord to be the best. I tried linears, rockets, everything. Nothing stacked up to Thunder lord in my testing but I don't have a bait and switch predator.

[@paladindoesd2]

Hammerhead having less reserves immediately makes id DOA for me. For ad clear, you want all the ammo you can get and commemoration just has more ammo overall, plus commemoration can also get fttc kt for even MORE ammo generation. I just don't see a reason to ever use hammerhead.

[@renzoandreherbasescobar8613]

Hope more people see this, I had 2 people doing damage with hammerhead in macrocosm and getting mad fofr the lack of damage

[@lanjagg]

Here I am thinking I’m fancy for my Rampage/Onslaught role… thanks for crushing my dreams Nomad… and for getting me to smarten up.

[@renjiesp]

What do you think about frenzy and desperate measures on this pup?

[@xmetawolf]

man pairing this version of hammerhead with the titan aspect that gives you volatile rounds for grenade kills, and it even helps you regen your grenade, hmmm love having me a gun with hella explosive bullets.

[@Truds]

“But most people don’t have friends” - Nomad 2024 😂

[@Spilk214]

I’m surprised a somewhat big D2 KZbinr decided to cover this. As some who plays this game more then pretty much everyone it hurts me when people say machine guns are good for boss damage. Thanks for making this Also commendation on top! Range and stability are worthless for PvE guns. Also you have reconstructed so it have slighting less reload isn’t noticeable. Commemoration also gives ability energy but it’s on hit instead :). Mine is like level 150 and I’ll never stop using it

[@h.a4283]

ascendant nomad repairing my faith in the destiny community with this absolute slapper psa

[@BronzeDragon0009]

I appreciate the part at the beginning. I have seen lfg's spamming the fact that you need thunderlord divinity for boss dps but it is just bad. Even if you have the 4th times vorpal on retrofit its still worse that just using levi breath with catalyst or just izanagis swapping.

[@GabrielPiazentin]

great video, thaks for the breakdown. hammer seems to have a lot of good perks and combinations, but HOW DO THEY WORK?? - that was the question until now.

[@despieros]

Volatile rounds is a sleeper perk here and very helpful to clear ads

[@drewnader1726]

If I'm running a void machine gun I want to work it into my build. Destabilizing rounds with Killing Tally on void titan with controlled demolition goes so hard. Surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet.

[@alexanderhilary]

Dude I respect you. I know hammerhead is not for dps. I just love it.

[@michaelmaddy5232]

Rampage Killing tally is def the best add clear roll. But Target Lock w rewind rds, envious or 4th times is legit if you do want to use it for damage in something like a GM where a rocket launcher or GL is not a smart choice for overall heavy ammo economy.

[@Black_Star_Racer]

Found this out listening to people.......... luckily I have some really good rolls. Thank you sir for confirming my doubts

[@strider2175]

I do have to wonder at how much these weapons will be separated when the Brave arsenal can be enhanced.

[@nightismonochrome]

That first damage comparison laughed so hard when that scorn just passed by in front of the GL and you paused... then back to dps lol Edit: on the idea of a maching gun relateable boss, have the boss be "swarm" of hundreds of tough flying ads. Rocket/gls might catch 5-6 ads in an explosion, assuming they hit, but that's a situation where lmg could definitely excel.

[@halocraft34]

I love lmgs alot but you have a great point. I only use them for dps in more casual activities or when I'm too lazy to grab something better or if I'm using a great dps primary or special and I just want something for ad clear.

[@YANASaysHi]

you're trying to trick me. you can't stop me

[@ashtonsalow7356]

People who think lmgs are good for dps are the equivalent of flat earthers in my mind.

[@Eazyrun]

With perks like killing tally, surrounded, rampage, onslaught, and feeding frenzy, I thought it was obvious it's a dps weapon Granted, for long range dps, Hammerhead is a better pick than Retrofit with its almost nonexisting recoil. But that's just another niche to fill. With that, you should also run a shoot to loot weapon and I know how many of these get dismantled

[@that1guyyoukno]

That scorn at 0:41 really tried to pull a fast one on ya 😂.

[@ChaoticSynergist]

It should be mentioned that Reconstruction only activates after 4 seconds of not firing the weapon. This is something never really discussed when talking about Reconstruction as a perk. Yes it pulls ammo and loads your weapon for you, but if you are using your LMG as your main add clear weapon like a primary, it is likely you arent putting the gun away or sitting around long enough doing nothing to allow reconstruction going off. What Hammerhead has going for it over Commemoration is perks that will have active ammo benefits while actually using the weapon, where as Reconstruction hinges on you not using the weapon for a certain amount of time for it to actually be useful, and depending on how low you are in the mag, the longer you would need to wait if you really want that auto loading-esque feeling. A Rewind Rounds/4TTC Hammerhead is better than Commemoration for people who plan to actively and constantly use their LMG for that add clear-primary esque weapon gameplay.

[@carsonthomas3914]

You're forgetting about subsistence on commemoration, which is a sleeper pick. Enhanced subsistence doubles the amount it reloads over the base version for some reason (10% of mag --> 20% of mag). With a mag of 75, you're getting 15 bullets back per kill. Not many ads are taking more than 15 bullets to kill, especially with killing tally, giving it more uptime than any other perk.

[@ChaoticSynergist]

@@carsonthomas3914that is fair actually.

[@SlimeyZockt]

Okay, I got multiple things I want from this, only 1 I got so far. 1. Rampage, Killing Tally, Max reload (I got this). General ad clear, just a nice gun. 2. 4th Times, Target Lock. For Champs, because it works well on GMs. I am niche, I know. 3. Envious Assassin, Desperate Messures. A emergency ad clear weapon I could use in raids. This is not meant to be anything other than, holy fuck i need ad clear right effing now. 4. 4th times and Killing Tally. For PvP. 5 crits to down a guardian without a buff, I get 2 bullets back. 3 kills, 6 shots back, means an extra kill. I want the shiny versions, and I only got the first as a perfect role so far

[@darksteeldemon]

Got a ton of ads and a bunch of yellow bat enemies, machine gun is here to wipe the floor. That's it. That is it. Get whatever rolls allow you to kill the most stuff without reloading. Edit: My feeding frenzy/Ambitious Assassin has been waiting a long time for the sandbox. I always recommend whatever gets you the most in the mag or whatever gets you the most damage per shot.

[@VyRl_Jetstream]

I really only like my ramp KT hammerhead on actium war rig titan because I can just pull ALL reserves and it doesn’t count for reloading. On my warlock and hunter, and when my titan is using a dif exotic, my crafted Commemoration just feels so much better.