Hand Loading 20ga 2.75” 1oz TSS for Waterfowl

Here I demonstrate how I load my 20ga 1oz 2.75” TSS waterfowl load.
This load is going approximately 1350fps.
See my other video for patterns with 5 different constriction chokes.
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[@user-de7nc4dy6s]

Really appreciate this video. I’m just starting to load TSS and it seems very few folks are willing to give enough detail to help. Thanks

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I appreciate the kind words. I can assure you that this is bar none the most impressive load I have ever shot at waterfowl in my 15+ years.

[@saltcreekammo]

One thing I do to make sure I don't double charge a case (double charging will be obvious in shotshell, but I still do it)... have the case mouths down in the block unless it has powder. Overall a great demo and load.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Thanks, Keith. It is pretty easy to notice a double charge in this type of loading. When I do 9mm on my Dillon 550, it’s all attention at all times.

[@MichaelJones-be2ke]

Really good simple instructions!! THANKS!!

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

That’s the goal. It’s a phenomenal load!

[@toronadogofast7868]

I have ME that is set up to do quick changes for 12,20,28, & .410.a Hornady 366 for 12, Mec 650n fur 20,and a Lee load all in 20. I just picked up a 600Jr fur speciality loads and got conversion kits to switch back and forth, as this is the best Reloader for these kinds of loads.

[@toronadogofast7868]

That is a PW,not ME. Damn autocorrect!

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

At this point I have: Lee load all 2 in 12 and 20 mec9000 in 12ga mec600 in 410 PW375c in 12/20 PW375 in 10ga My plan is to acquire a mec 8567 or 9000 in 20ga.

[@manchapkarm3626]

I put this load together but i duplex the load with 1/2oz Tss 7 and 1/2oz steel 3. very effective load

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

That’s awesome to hear. What type of filler did you use to get stack height? TSS on top or bottom? Powder charge?

[@markchapman6933]

Sorry, I replied from my phone But cracking load .

[@JRH9294]

Can you post the load data. I got 50lbs of 2 shot steel. So I want to duplex with TSS. With 20 gauge Fiocchi and Lil gun

[@markchapman6933]

JRH I just used the same data but used 1/2oz tss to 1/2 steel , Adjust packers to suit . Awesome duplex load

[@IowaBuckSlayer]

Getting closer to that 500 subscribers mark!!!

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Appreciate the kinda words. The more I looked into it, KZbin doesn’t start paying out until 1000… So, it looks like it’s going to be awhile. The 500 Mark is where my watchers can contribute, but I don’t like asking for anything. So, the road to 1000 it is!

[@IowaBuckSlayer]

If you keep posting this quality of content I'm sure your numbers will start growing faster everyday.@@avidwaterfowler7522

[@wagner24314]

ive been loading a 3" 20ga load use the tps20 2.75 3 1/8 felt spacers 141grn tss #8 and 347grn of bis #2 on top over shot card and roll crimp great on ducks to large geese and patterns very well in a mod choke. its 1 1/8 oz and the same pellet count as a lead #4 in the same payload.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

What powder are you using? Primer? I may have to try that load.

[@meyep3535]

I's like to try that load.

[@wagner24314]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 chedite hot primer 24.8 gn longshot

[@wagner24314]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 24.8 longsht

[@wagner24314]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 YT deleting LS 24.8

[@RussellHoughton]

Is that gape finished roll crimper any different t h en one that just does normal roll crimps

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I have never been a roll crimp guy, but my guess would be yes.

[@Capn--Jack]

How worried are ya about the hardness of the TSS on the barrel and chokes , or is their nothing to worry about in that sense?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Unfortunately, there are risks with any hard shot like steel, hevi shot, TSS, etc. Am I worried, maybe a little but I don’t let it worry me too much. With tss being perfectly round, small, and polished the likelihood of damage is relatively low. I’d say it much more likely with larger steel pellets as they can where through and they’re not as round. The bigger the pellet, the larger the bearing surface. That’s why some wads like the 12ga and 10ga tps look like Swiss cheese after being fired with big shot. The tiny tss pellets won’t wear through, usually.

[@Sneakyjoe69]

Do you think it’ll throw Alliant steel accurately

[@jaybird1970]

Really interested in some tss/steel duplex in 20ga 3".data is hard to come by but I think I'm gone try some in 3/4oz tss and 1/4oz #4 steel.want to pressure test and pattern.any thoughts?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I think that would be an ok idea in 2-3/4”. The steel would just be a filler. I’m not very passionate about duplex loads the more I learn about the physics between steel and tss. You could probably take my load and use use one less felt cushion and get perfect stack height.

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

I’m thinking about loading my own TSS for Turkey 🦃 and maybe Waterfowl. Will this loading work Turkey Loads as well? No need to Roll Crimp???

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I absolutely think this could be a Turkey load. Think about it…. If you’d put 1oz of #9, you’d get 360 pellets! Just look at my regular full pattern with 7.5’s. You’d almost double the density with #9 shot. Now, couple the #9 shot with a turkey choke and I’d guess it’s a 50 yard turkey shell. A 3” 12ga #4 lead has 360 pellets in it. If you want to roll crimped it, you’ll have to trim the hull a little bit and you’d probably loose 50-75fps, but that’s not going to be an issue for a turkey load.

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 I’ve killed 2 BIG TOMS W/ TSS #9’s. 1 at 58 Yards and 1 at 16 Yards. It literally took them of their feet. TSS is Bad to The Bone 🦴.

[@HawkEye02088]

Maybe I missed it. What was the velocity (fps) and pressure on this load. Thinking of trying a few of these. Love the videos!

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

@@HawkEye02088 velocity is 1325-1350fps. It’s a very low pressure load, but this particular powder charge weight hasn’t been tested. I know someone who pressure tested 32gr at 9k psi or so.

[@HawkEye02088]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 sounds good. I got some other loads I'm sending off for testing here soon. I'll have some of these tested too. Will let you know the pressure with the 34 grains

[@HawkEye02088]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 pressure is right at 7k with average velocity of 1326👍🏻👍🏻

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

@@HawkEye02088 awesome. Where did you send for testing?

[@HawkEye02088]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 I sent up to precision reloading in SD. However I feel my recent batch of lil gun may be a tad off the normal. Velocities were good on some other things too but pressure was way down for some reason

[@shaunparrish2250]

Could i just add a 1/8 inch cork and roll crimp these? And do you know the pressure of the load by chance?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

You could, but you need to most likely bump up your powder charge. Keep in mind, the cork filler would probably lower the pressure as well as the roll crimp and the FPS would be lower. You will also have some pellets outside of the wad because of the cork filler, but that’s not the end of the world. I’d guess you would have to bump the charge up 1-2grains for the same fps as my fold crimp.

[@user-nr5lq8ru3m]

Thanks for sharing this load. Loaded a block and everything fits nicely but when I crimp I notice my osc is getting pushed down into the wad a little and distorted. Was just wondering if this is normal and ok, thanks.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

It most likely won’t hurt anything. You may want to lift up your stack height a little with some more felt such as a 1/16-1/8”. Also, you may have too much depth for setting your crimp. Maybe back off your crimp depth a little. Which machine are you using?

[@user-nr5lq8ru3m]

I’m using the mec 600 and I have it cranked all the way up. Also I have the super crown and not putting too much pressure on the pre crimp

[@user-nr5lq8ru3m]

Just wondering if you can roll crimp this load without messing up pressure? I’m loading 9shot and having a tough time getting the crimps real nice

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

@@user-nr5lq8ru3m if you are building the load the way I show, you should not have stack height issues. Are you using an overshot card? There is a possibility that trimming the hull may help if the load is not high enough, but an osc should fix that. Because you’re using 9’s your stack height will be a little less on the height. You can roll crimp this load, but it will most likely slow it down a little bit. I would try to get your crimp figured out. What is the issue with the crimp?

[@user-nr5lq8ru3m]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 I am making the load exactly like yours except lm using #9shot. The stack height comes out great, I just can’t get my mec to do a great looking crimp like yours. I got so mad at it I ordered a Omv last night for the crimps.

[@markchapman6933]

Hi I used a 7mm 28g fiber Tss on the bottom.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Thanks for the feedback. My plan is to start working on duplex loads after this hunting season in preparation for next season.

[@IowaBuckSlayer]

Is the extra 1/8 ounce of shot worth the extra costs?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I would say no depending on shot size. If you bump down to 7/8oz in 7.5’s, you’d end up 195 or so pellets. That maybe what I end up exploring down the road. However, if I am running 7’s, I’ll stick with 1oz most likely since that’s about 185 or so pellets. I also have some 8’s and I’d be comfortable with just 3/4oz of those since that would still be 195 or so pellets. If I would ever consider 9’s, I honestly don’t know what I’d shoot… maybe a 1/2-to 5/8oz and some filler steel.

[@coreybennett5530]

You wouldn’t happen to have a recipe for a duplex load with steel and tss would you?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I have a few that were given to me but are not tested yet. I would join the FB groups around TSS and non-tox reloading. There is a files sections with tested loads.

[@coreybennett5530]

Where could I find that at?

[@meyep3535]

wish I could get crimps that good off my 600jr. Still working at it.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

You will get it. Slow and steady to work on those crimps. You’d be surprised how much the pre crimp plays a role in a good final crimp.

[@meyep3535]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 That Mec pre crimp puts those three little dimples in the hulls and make the final crimp look....different, lol.. I'm going to Dremel those off some. Ruined a few hulls to get it, but I'm happy with what I finished with, it does seem as something isn't quite centered on this 600jr as the final crimp moves the hull a bit and favors one side. I loaded up about 50 of these, some with #7 15g/cc and some #9 18g/cc. They pattern great, recoil wasn't bad even from my light auto guns and o/u. Should make good goose and turkey loads. On to 1 oz Bismuth and steel loads next.

[@CumbrianWildfowler]

Thanks for the vid and data. Can I ask which model of GAEP finisher do you use? BN2?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

That is correct and it works amazingly well.

[@CumbrianWildfowler]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 thank you

[@Capn--Jack]

Where do you prefer to purchase the TSS from?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Message me at avidwaterfowler at gmail

[@Sneakyjoe69]

What trickler and funnel is that

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

The trickler is the newer rcbs that can move up to down with the adjustable base. Tou are about the 10th person to ask… lol. I got it in an old reloading deal I bough several years back. It came as part of the lot and suspect it’s from the 70’s. It’s about perfect for shot shell reloading!

[@DRandolphOutdoors1]

What kind of pressure is this load producing?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I never tested it. I got the load from someone whom did pressure test it, and slightly modified it. The load was given to me at the 10k psi area, I’d suspect my version is about 11k psi.

[@user-pq2mt6nx5j]

Where do you get your tss from?

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Message me at avidwaterfowler@gmail

[@buddydenman6208]

Selling it for $63/lb on eBay… high way robbery man… I like your videos, but that’s wild to me, taking advantage of your watchers like that. Can buy it for around $40 a lb from multiple places…

[@huntwhiteygoose]

Prairiewind Decoys has TSS and nickle plated Bismuth

[@stevekasper7166]

One ounce is 437.5

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

Of course I know that. I substituted the 9-10gr less to add PSB buffer.

[@twintwo1429]

I have tested many many loads , with and without buffers. I have found only miniscule difference, and in most cases, no difference at all. Even with mylar protection against steel shot, i have found very little difference. A new barrel is cheaper in the long run.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I can’t agree with you on wearing a barrel out. I usually test with buffer and without to see the difference. I ONLY use Mylar wrap with loads that have pellets over the protective shot cup. I’m my current case, I only use Mylar wrap on two different loads. My video showing my 10ga bismuth load utilizies Mylar wrap & PSB buffer. The patterns speak for themselves. I tried that load without buffer and a wrap and the patterns weren’t nearly as uniform. In this particular loads difference, it is not a huge deal. Tom Rooster published a manual for lead and bismuth loads for best pattern performance. He utilizes wraps and buffer quite frequently. He’s worth a look as he has been developing loads for over 40 years.

[@twintwo1429]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 your patterns only speak to the information and video footage given. No one needs to make a video or book to prove anything. My own research, reloading, and range experience, says that, YES , there are some small gains from some loading methods and techniques, but it is minimal at best, and not worth the cost and minimal returns. Highly critical people that overdramatize a benefit that is minimal, at best, is what I teach my children to steer clear of. If basic loads achieve 90% of your needs, then you must give me at least a 20% increase in benefits to change my mind. Few people ever accomplish this.

[@twintwo1429]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 sorry, that I busted your bubble and anialated it. But you will heal and move on.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

@@twintwo1429 I put this content out to help people. I’m not trying to persuade anyone. Your experience is just that, your experience. It may not be applicable to others. I’ll trust Tom Rooster to help steer me in the right direction before any keyboard commando. Keep in mind, this is my money, my time, helping others for free by getting information that isn’t easily and readily available. I make no money for my efforts and invest in KZbin.

[@twintwo1429]

@@avidwaterfowler7522 I am a super wealthy admirer of internet videos. It cost me more money, just to take the time to even watch your videos, much more too reply. BUT I AM INTERESTED IN YOUR CONTENT. IT IS VERY HELPFUL TO PEOPLE THAT BUY MY PRODUCTS, AND VERY CONDUCIVE TO YOUR EFFORTS. YOUR HOBBY, IS THE LINE OF PRODUCTS I MANUFACTURE AND SELL. NOW YOU KNOW WHY SOME CHANNELS GET CANCELED. Don't make more of it for no reason. Stay steady honest and truthful, and you will have support from all manufacturers.

[@Skilpadjie1]

OMV Smart Box. Sell that MEC.

[@avidwaterfowler7522]

I converted to a ponsness Warren 375c about 2-3 weeks after this video. However, I have thought about a smart box.

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

I roll crimp but the guys in the pit like fold crimp. Thinking of getting the smart box plus that goes in the drill press