Handloading 45acp +P, 250 grain, Heavy Bullets

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30-06JOHN, GUNS AND RELOADING

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@tosainu1 Жыл бұрын

Love your channel, informative and no nonsense

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. Have a great day!

@jameskringlee8974 Жыл бұрын

Good to see 250 grain round nose flat point feeding reliabiliy, a must for the purpose of that bullet. Thank You

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

That is one reason I used a round nose flat point instead of a Keith style semi wadcutter. Hey, Thanks for watching!

@johnnymccann5607 10 ай бұрын

i safely reload my Taurus pt845 45acp +p with strline 45super brass,255gr gt bullets wide mouth deep hp hard cast 953 fps ,hdy 250 gr xtp 950 fps ,200gr xtp 1050-1100fps ,185gr xtp 1165 fps . I've tested these loads much higher but this is my stopping point. these are self defense and hunting ammunition 0nly with limited practice shooting. all outher ammunition for it standard loading. i greatly enjoyed the video.. papa😊

@30-06john 10 ай бұрын

I stayed with published +P load data so anyone can duplicate it. Thanks for watching!

@DummyRound Жыл бұрын

Great working showing us your struggles along the way until getting the velocity you wanted. Nice and accurate as well.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Thanks, yeah it was a bit frustrating at first. Took me a few days and range trips.

@pdam6131 Жыл бұрын

HS-6 gets me around 930 fps in a 5" barrel with a 250 grain Hitek coated hard cast flatpoint from Missouri bullets.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

That will work, and thanks for watching!

@AzBigD 3 ай бұрын

I loaded the same recipe except I bought starline 45 super brass and dropped in 12 grains of power pistol powder and on the chronograph hit 1520 fps for a 250 grain bullet thats 1282 FPE . Thats insane🤟😎👍

@30-06john 3 ай бұрын

That is a very hot load! Stay safe!

@garyK.45ACP Жыл бұрын

Interesting, though, my 2 cents: I have been handloading for the .45 ACP (and, currently, 81 other metallic cartridges) since the early 70s. I also cast bullets, at least one, for every cartridge I handload for (except .22 centerfires). I have experimented with 250 gr. bullets, both in the .45 ACP and the .45 Auto Rim in both revolvers and semi-autos (I own 6 different 1911 semi-autos and 2 .45 ACP revolvers). I never received any results which were encouraging enough to develop further. That's just me, your results may vary, but nothing I could produce outperformed the 230 gr. or 200 gr. cast lead bullets I use in accuracy or reliability. I usually use either a Magma Engineering #45-233 230 gr. RNBB and a H&G #68 200 gr. SWC in about 99% of all my .45 ACP shooting. Both give great accuracy and 100% reliability in 1911s. It's hard to beat that. But experimenting is fun.

@cw2a Жыл бұрын

100% Gary! Every cartridge has a optimal bullet length. I say it that way because of copper bullets available today. Powder capacity is the biggest integer here. I preach this allot in the 10mm. People want 220 & 230g then whine when it dosent preform as the 180 & 200g does. Well, 200 is about optimal. (Actually I like 190/195 best ) any more and they will find less preformance or not as good preformance. There is good reason the 357 is 158/160 for most loadings... Its optimal for hand gun. In my testing a 170 is best in a Carbine. The 215/220 is what I like in my cast in the 45 acp for top loads.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

I started handloading on my Dad's lap. Many multiple tens of thousands of rounds over 40 years for just the 45 acp. The bullets you mentioned are very accurate and when loaded correctly, reliable. The reason I did this video, mentioned partly in the beginning, is that some shooters want to load 45 Super but cannot find the brass. Why 45 Super? Some shooter have told me they don't want to buy a 10mm but want equivalent power. Some shooters have told me that they have a 10mm but found it lacking so they moved to the 45 Super. Of course that is here in Alaska where we always have to deal with Bears. Anyhow, a heavy bullet 45 acp +P comes close and is easier to find brass. There are many factors in reliability, bullet and nose profile is one of them. My loads have been very reliable, Hey thanks for your thoughts and watching!

@toddreeder3082 Жыл бұрын

Results with the 6.9 charge looked great!

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that load is a keeper! Thanks for watching!

@frankgagas9569 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video John. I hope you are well.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Thanks Frank. Yep, doing fine. Looks like the Eagles in the Superbowl.

@frankgagas9569 Жыл бұрын

I don’t want to jinx them. I’d started talking about the Phillies winning the World Series after they one the first game. I won’t make that mistake. I’ll just say that I’ve enjoyed the playoff games. Hope you aren’t a Chiefs fan.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

No, I am not. Take care.

@alexskillz45 Жыл бұрын

I load 250gr XTP to 1100fps with a 4.5" barrel. These can only be fired in a gun that is modified to shoot 45super. I used a Glock 30S with KKM Barrel, DPM Systems TRS (20lbs equivalent using the longest supplied spring) A good compensator to further mitigate recoil will also help. 45super casings recommend but not necessary if you have a fully supported barrel and strong casings like Starline or Winchester. (Non +P only) i used fired brass. FLPP OAL 1.190" 8.0gr Longshot Start 10% lower and work your way up for safety. This load is for a well seasoned reloader and should not be done by begginers. Load at your own risk.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that is a very hot load, more in the 45 Super area. I wanted to keep this video to 45 auto +P using published load data. Thanks for watching!

@alexskillz45 Жыл бұрын

@@30-06johnLongshot is a good powder to work your way up to about 950fps. I think 6.5gr will do it. That is still a very hot round. I think +P is 900fps. I think all you need is a stiffer spring. A strong hammer spring will help you also to get a stronger spark.

@chainbenwa2713 5 ай бұрын

Longshot is pretty good with heavier bullets. I loaded some up the other day that averaged 1002 fps with 230 xtp out of my modified 1911. I live in East and only use them for hog defense. They sound good tho!

@alexskillz45 5 ай бұрын

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@dennisjames5982 Жыл бұрын

Thx John. I'm have some lead bullets left laying around from my Alaska days. I'll have to give this a try. D

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

It should work well. Thanks for watching and the call!

@joeshirey5448 11 ай бұрын

Many say you can't use blue dot for .45acp but a guy I know used starline .45 acp brass with WLP primer 8.1 grains of blue dot / 250 grain Hornaday xtp bullet seated until 2mm of bullet shoulders were visible . I don't know how fast they were going but still obviously subsonic. A supersonic hot load he did was .45acp once fired federal brass with cci small primer/ 8.5 Longshot/ 250 gr Hornaday xtp seated until 4mm of shoulders were showing. The Longshot put out .45 super or .460 rowland type pressure the one brass case that was found had zero pressure signs other than the primer dimple was literally completely flatten back out as if never hit by a firing pin & the extractor left a little mark on the case just a little . The Longshot load pushed 250 gr xtp through 7.5" of yellow pine. The blue dot 250 xtp whent through only 5.5inches of yellow pine . He had a glock 21 all 100% bone stock with a aftermarket 4.5" fully supported chamber barrel. Can you start down a little & work up & tell me what the velocity on these two loads are , at your own risk of course.

@30-06john 11 ай бұрын

Please stay safe and follow good reloading practices. The 250 XTP and 8.1 of Blue Dot is probably going about 825 fps, that agrees with older 45 auto load data. The 250 XTP with Longshot is way too hot, the fact that your primer was flatten shows that. Hornady published load data shows a 230XTP with 7.4 of Longshot. Once again, please follow safe reloading practices, including safety glasses when shooting.

@joeshirey5448 11 ай бұрын

@@30-06john I take it your not going to experiment ether . I don't blame you not one little bit, another guy says he tried 8 grains of Longshot 250 xtp at 1,100 fps . It seems like 7 grains at around 1,000 fps would be good enough but who wants to risk it break their equipment or get hurt or killed finding out the hard way . Best probably done with sacrificial equipment via a string far away ect . I agree with you & value your advice !!! That guy is lucky lost brass is all he lost.

@30-06john 11 ай бұрын

i have a couple of videos on reloading for the 45 Super. One reason I did this video was to show heavy loads that could be done with 45 auto brass since 45 Super brass is hard to come by.

@cw2a Жыл бұрын

Do you remember the Speer 260g HP that used to be offered for the 45 ACP? I still have a couple Boxes.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

I have a partial box. The older Speer manuals have load data for it. I'll probably do a 45acp +P video with heavy jacketed bullets, including the Speer 260 in the near future.

@redteam9881 7 ай бұрын

Tested my loads with Fed Nickle 45 ACP Small primer pockets using Rem 7.5 primer and 8.0 of PP and 250gr RNFN in 4.6” KKM velocity 990 to 1006 fps. No case expansion .471. Worked my load up to 8.4 PP velocity at 1030 to 1040 fps Brass doing very well still not at max .481 expansion limit. Those small primer pockets work very well for 45 Super loads at 1.190” OAL and almost perfect primers results.

@30-06john 7 ай бұрын

Sounds like a good load! I kept this video to published 45 auto and +P data. Thanks for the info and watching!

@andyprairiedog Жыл бұрын

Excellent timing with your video as I'm in the process of finding a load for my 250gr Berry's Round Nose (plated) bullets for my 1911 with 5 inch barrel. Not +P loads, just standard and I'm shooting for maybe around 800fps in my 40-degree weather. For summer, I may bring the powder charge down .2 grains or so when summer temperatures allow me to test that out too. Shall see.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the Hodgdon reloading magazine and online reloading data have 250 grain, normal 45 acp loads. Should work well.

@theoriginalOSOK Жыл бұрын

I have 45 Colt and 44 Mag and 10mm pistols and brass, bullets, etc. so I don't need to resort to this. I don't like the idea of stressing my 1911 with loads like this. Not that I have anything against it, but just don't need to. But I do find this interesting - especially since this is current video. What we need is a steady supply of primes and propellant. Cast bullets are readily available in most calibers. Brass us used repeatedly of course.

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

The reason I made this video was that I have had a bunch of shooters talk to me about handloading 45 Super, but cannot find the brass. Some shooters want 10mm power but don't want to buy a new pistol, some have a 10mm and found it lacking and moved to the 45 Super. A heavy bullet 45acp+P comes close and is easier to find brass. My load data came from 2005 Alliant published data. I agree, we need more primers! Slow burning, magnum rifle powders are hard to find these days too. Hey, thanks for watching!

@davidneal6920 Жыл бұрын

Nice pistol and loads John 🇺🇸 🇳🇿

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Thanks David! Hope things are going well for you.

@leveractiongypsy1848 Жыл бұрын

I'll bet the lower than expected velocities were in part due to the temperature. I've noticed decreased velocity starting around 35 degrees or less. It can be really noticeable in even colder weather. I shot in -20 through 20s and everything between that this past winter. Some powders are worse than others but it seemed at those temps all were effected. I'll bet those same exact loads in 80 degree weather would add 40-80fps more. I always try to test loads in summer, and any loads that I may have loaded too hot I'll wait for the coldest weather possible to test them for the added safety measure

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that is probably part of it too. It wasn't too cold when I did the tests in the video, low 30s.

@scottkeppler5067 Жыл бұрын

been reloading 45 acp for over twenty years. to start with was using a standard load with non-American primers have a 1911 Ruger. long story short had a Squib load in my Sr bullet nocked the bullet out then tried using a underwood hot load 185 grain in it fired fine couldn't pull back the slide had to send it back to Ruger for Repair, Ruger sent it back to me said I need to use different ammo, After I got it back I called Ruger said you can shoot +p in but not on a Regular diet. thanks for any advice you can give me .

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

Well, in this video I use my Ruger 1911, it is actually set up for 45 Super. The Underwood 185 gr. load appears very hot, per their website(185 Nosler @ 1200fps). If one has a squib, make sure to field strip and do a quick cleaning and lubrication, especially the barrel and chamber. If you are going to shoot +P, replace the recoil spring with a new one, that should be done every 3000-5000 rounds. Maybe add a shokbuff on the recoil guide, that saves battering on the frame. I hope this helps and good luck!

@scottkeppler5067 Жыл бұрын

@@30-06john Thanks I only use +p for carrying, haven't shot many +p rounds in it I reload at standard pressure, puzzles me as to what happened?

@redteam9881 8 ай бұрын

Have you tried FC 45 ACP+P Nickle brass with the small primer pocket for your 250 RNFP and PP . I noticed 450 SMC uses the small primer pocket and Small rifle Mag primers.

@30-06john 8 ай бұрын

I have not, but I have used small primer 45 auto brass for +P loads. Works OK. I hope this helps.

@redteam9881 7 ай бұрын

My pistol is G21 with KKM and 22 pound spring I have some good bear bullets 250gr RNFP Hardcast Tek coated 22 BHN. I plan on starting at 8.0 of PP in 45 ACP brass Small primer pockets and use Rem 7.5 primers. For Bear protection my goal is 1000 fps in the 4.6” no compensator for a 250 power factor load.

@leveractiongypsy1848 Жыл бұрын

I still havent able to get any Power Pistol to try for 45ACP+P loads.Two powders I have tried with great results for 250+gr and 930+ fps are Herco and Longshot

@30-06john Жыл бұрын

I have been using Longshot, and that is working out to be a great powder. I have shorts using it in .357M, 10mm, 45 auto, 44M, and 9mm.

@curly__3 8 ай бұрын

Watch out crimping auto cartridges, they do headspace off the case mouth, if you get a case that is a touch too long and that crimp will cinch down too much and that case may get pinched in the chamber which may blow the cartridge...i think this happened to me many, many years ago...that was after probably 4,000 handloads using a light crimp...just takes one...

@30-06john 8 ай бұрын

I did not show all the loading steps, but a loaded round gauge was used. Thanks for watching!

@leeburks4540 5 ай бұрын

Any recommends for using Bulls eye??

@30-06john 5 ай бұрын

Looking at older Alliant/ Hercules load data, they show 4.5 to 5.0 gr of Bullseye for 240gr and 260gr jacketed bullets. Of course start a bit lower and look for pressure signs. I hope this helps and thanks for watching!