Hands-On With XPeng's City NGP ADAS System

We headed to Guangzhou to try out the latest version of XPeng's self-driving tech, City NGP.
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[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

The tesla fanboys are going to get hysterical in the comment section like they did on Elliots video. Thanks for your hard work.

[@jppataki]

Not really, i like Tesla's and Xpeng... But also Leapmotor

[@jppataki]

And having a Tesla (with FSD paid but not delivered) i'm sceptical of the vision only thing

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@jppataki good... I'm sceptical of all systems. 🤣🤣

[@jppataki]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo it's supposed to be that way.

[@markhenrybutler]

Is it the same route as Elliott’s video? The roundabout is the same?

[@ravikiransrinivas3532]

Very impressive! Xpeng leading the market on innovation.

[@lkm1010]

That realtime 3D isometric view on the centre panel is very cool. It gives the driver relative situational awareness at all times especially the blindspots off to the sides.

[@entityisking]

Your job 4 months ago was to promote this….

[@michaelconnolly9736]

Wheelsboy you should add "self driving" / "autopilot" to the title, not many people will recognise NGP!

[@sbomorse]

Totally agree. I only watched because I'm an EV driver in the UK and like to see what's going on in other countries with their EV's, but the self driving is what really interested me. I love using my Level 2 autonomous system in my Kona EV. Can't wait for this kind of tech to come to the UK!

[@Brick-Life]

Amazing XPeng technology!

[@Redix9]

I don’t know why Chinese manufacturers are soo much more enthusiastic with there jobs and make adjustments and changes in a quick and efficient way. I hope European and U.S. manufacturers will take the same cues.

[@karlk7070]

Many many people sir. We Chinese always are cautious that if we show incompetence, we will lose the job and there are always plenty of capable engineers around to replace. There is no such thing like unemployment insurance. 😂 So this enthusiasm is actually really unhealthy, only works for China as a corrupted major country.

[@Darkmatter321]

Mind blowing how far China has come in such a short time.

[@yulwu6758]

i feel like our body are used left and right motion, and acceleration in cars, whereas harsh breaking is less common in day-to-day driving. So when a car decelerates on its own without human command our body is not used to that. Kinda similar to why 24FPS is enough for watching movies but nowhere near enough for playing games. For machines to behave in an unexpected way without command to buffer human brain reception is a very alien feeling.

[@ddxx8113]

It's the same thing when you are riding as a passenger.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Very good, I like the idea of mapping out the cities as well as all the sensors, great video, great car

[@PTMC2008]

I like the voice that system has, it sounds cute

[@123fourfive5]

I was just watching someone put a Tesla through a test with cardboard boxes and he quickly found how that Tesla's system doesn't work well with low lying objects. To the extent that the car wouldn't even stop. I concluded that Autopilot isn't ready and human drivers are still very relevant. After watching this, now I'm not so sure. It literally avoided two accidents.

[@tren133]

Well this P5 has a load of sensors, including those 2 low lying highly sophisticated lidar units. Tesla first removed radar and is now in the process of removing ultrasonic too, which means new Teslas will be guided by cameras only. Their claim is that humans can drive a car with "cameras" only (our eyes), and therefore with enough AI software packed into their cars, Teslas will one day drive equally well with camera only tech. We shall see I guess.

[@enigmatum]

What tren133 said. This is a strong argument against vision only. The fact that NGP uses multiple sensor types and works well.

[@tren133]

@@enigmatum The most hilarious part is Tesla will still charge you another $6000 for "enhanced autopilot" even though the new cars with no ultrasonic sensors can no longer do autopark and summon. Why should you still pay them 6000 bucks for functionality that has been taken away you ask? Well Tesla says those features will be added back one day when their vision only system learns to parallel park a car just like every human can easily parallel park with eyes only! Just give them the money now and wait for it patiently. Just like some Model S owner paid for "FSD" in 2016 and has been dutifully beta testing the feature for Tesla for the past 6 years and waiting for it to exit beta...

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@tren133 you get what you pay for... 😂

[@johnsomers8269]

Phenomenal! Great demonstration.

[@backwoodsbungalow9674]

One issue is the unpredictable behaviour of human drivers and riders. Policy teams in Europe are considering implementing self driving in certain zones and limiting entry to vehicles with approved self driving technology. Those zones could expand over time. That approach might make sense. 🤔

[@PS-383]

Very impressive. If it can handle the complexities of a major city in China, it should be able to handle driving on highways in countries with well developed road infrastructure. I think it makes more sense for such a system to be used for boring long distance highway commutes (day and night) with the well rested human taking over once the vehicle reaches the city.

[@htimmermans1938]

Your videos are very interesting. Thank you.

[@narvuntien]

You could probably have like a QR code or something on the back of learner driver cars that a self driving system could read and know to take them extra carefully/attempt to avoid. Working out how to navigate crashes or broken down cars is something the system is going to have to work out how to do though.

[@networm78]

It could use a Bluetooth beacon or V2X when autonomous vehicles become more commonplace

[@ddxx8113]

In China, learner's cars have special plates and have markers all over. It's just an edge case that the engineers haven't thought about. Same for the ambulance and police.

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

EJFJ Positive Contextualisation should be there, and detect through MediSecure International PSC database, or from car signal, that the driver is unsure, and needs help... The most accurate car should give positive instructions on how to driver better and escape from any bad situation, while all drivers can learn how automatic driving systems manage in such situation, allowing to act more fluently in next similar situations... But this is blocked since 1993, avec if Lidars came from Medical Pack, which was at the origin of any autonomous system to spare any sort of little damage, to spare most of problems in human lives, and allowing hospital doing things prevently and study what could be improved or better treated... Anything in the Universe is connected, so let's make positive connections, with EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness, and spare fake and wasteful partial IA that Microsoft Corporation, IBM and Oracle finally parodied, but unconveniently as not understanding things as they really are, by not taking effectively in account the situation of the driver according to what he did up to now, and what he really needs... EJFJ Positive Communication needs to be warrantied, Xpeng is quite realizing Time Pad Scheduler now...

[@Athrunwong]

That’s pretty incredible if you ask me.

[@ticolindo2010]

Impressive the auto drive system but I need one more aggressive to sound the horn when someone cut me off on the road hahaha love the system very precise

[@deragoth4250]

The road/route looks similar to that driven by Elliot in fully charged video. I hope they used a different rather than a predetermined one

[@deepestdub]

Great content. Fascinating tech.

[@lebithu]

odered a G9 xpeng. hopefully the precise map and XNGP will release soonin Changsha Hunan

[@Brick-Life]

Awesome Guangzhou!

[@Jajalaatmaar]

Why doesn't Europe get lidar? They just opened up the cars for order and they seem to be missing the lidar sensors.

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

This is illicit, the Lidars need to be included of course... Mercedes Benz wants to use Lidars... BMW Groupd does, so Xpeng needs to use them too... And be more and more effective... Noone can make Justice by himself, driving alone is a risk noone should have endured since March 15th, 1996... Global comparisons are requested, to spare any little waste of anything, especially time, energy, and tire rubber...

[@Jajalaatmaar]

@@EJFJ-Corporation Honestly, it kinda makes sense. LIDAR is needed for autonomous driving, but autonomous driving on a high level isn't allowed by EU legislation yet like it is in China.

[@blakewalker8770]

Great tech review. Those glasses could only look good on your handsome face. Working it! Enjoying your engaging presentation as always.

[@teofilol2666]

Do the system has an intelligent response if say a traffic police intervenes?

[@jongmeyo5666]

Impressive

[@bassemelsayed3451]

Is that easy to upload to the car another maps if I would buy it and import it to Egypt or it locked to china maps only

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

The car needs accurate map only to be more efficient, but it does not need any specific map as it detects vehicles and objets... The maps just helps representing things better on the screen, but does not serve security... Maps are requested for decoration, and they will be done, worldwidely, as they should have been done globally since 1994...

[@bassemelsayed3451]

Also I would ask you about categories and prices for every category??

[@lemanlie4921]

Amazing brand

[@moomoo5198]

thats the same spot that the other guy did LMAOOOO

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

Yes, they use the same route for comparison purposes, the cars send datent to Xpeng servers to be analyzed globally and positively contextualized... I understood by seeing this video, after having seen many others, that the little screen bottom right which stopped working, was generated afterwards from daten sent by the car. They are improving the system, adding improvements for learner driver, accidents, the EJFJ Positive Contextualisation and EJFJ Positive Contextualisation will allow to announce through wifi signal (3G or 4G or 5G) that the cars/trucks are blocked there and not able to move, so the Xpeng P5 can drive normally beside this obstacle... The time requested to arrange a strange situation needs to be announced, and cars should spare good informations all together, sparing any misunderstanding or risk to any driver...

[@Asian_Connection]

XPENG is amazing! TESLA can not do CNGP with it's current setup.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

wonder how great Tesla autopilot work with camera only at night. genius Elon might have dropped the ball on this one. 🤔

[@Asian_Connection]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo you can never have a trusted autopilot without Lidar. He fought the wrong battle this time.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo yup he is too busy impregnating hot chics and fcking up twitter

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg have the feeling this time Twitter fked-up Leon. 😂

[@Scott-sm9nm]

@@johnsmith-cw3wo I recently got FSD and my experience is that night driving is certainly worse that daytime driving. Oddly like making last 'second' lane changes to make a turn.

[@kaanerdem2822]

This system will blow up in india

[@sbomorse]

I'm really surprised it has a torque sensor and not a capacitive steering wheel. There's a possibility you could work around the torque sensor like on other cars with a weight.

[@anothersunday8583]

From Bilibili with love.

[@ALWH1314]

Xpeng is actually pronounced as Shiao-pong. That X in Chinese spelling is SI.

[@alhkcblack9617]

You guys should check out the latest video on the deeproute channel. Looks like they are the system the Shenzhen robo taxis use. If the video is legit it's way better than Teslas FSD and better than this Xpeng system. Lots of totally crazy random traffic situations in that vid.

[@daraghodonoghue_]

This system is cool. I like Tesla's FSD but it leaves a lot to be desired. I think the downfall of xpeng's system will be the cost of all those high quality sensors and lidar, and its reliance on the high definition maps. I think that's why Tesla vision has a huge advantage, although it's still beta. Definitely exciting times ahead, the more competition the better.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

no it doesnt

[@daraghodonoghue_]

@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg "no it doesn't" what? What are you responding to specifically?

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@daraghodonoghue_ tesla FSD is garbage and i own a tesla - you have no clue

[@couldyourewindplease3653]

@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg LIDAR is awesome. It will be fun when all cars around will have LIDAR and confuse the shit out of each other with all the reflections. We'll just have to a law that says - no reflective surfaces anywhere, period. HD maps is a fine idea, all we need is an army of people/drones/satellites/AI/monkeys with cameras to update/process/push terrabytes on terrabytes of data everyday, just so we can move 4 tons of metal without a person inside. Also please explain how do you use something besides your eyes and ears to drive? Even a deaf, colorblind person can drive you know...

[@flx4305]

But the xpeng is still cheaper than the tesla, lidar was expensive before but with the multiplication of autonomous driving models it will get cheaper and cheaper just like batteries, I strongly think one day it will be quite cheap

[@54anurag]

mind bending

[@johnnysmile01]

Nice tech

[@lordlee6473]

I’m more interested in how it performs in bad weather

[@kadajawi6567]

I wonder, how do they protect the Lidar sensors from stone chips? The front of my car is a mess, with lots of destroyed paintwork. And I doubt replacing the Lidar sensors will be cheap...? Wouldn't a roof mounted system make more sense, if it's augmented by cheaper sensors in the front? Do you really need high precision right in front of the car?

[@enigmatum]

They use a high impact strength glass to protect it. They said even bumps with other cars would damage it very rarely. The rooftop lidar doesn’t cover 180 degrees. NIO’s only cover 120. And the front of car blocks line of sight for low lying objects.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@enigmatum great info

[@enigmatum]

@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg Baidu and Huawei use the same corner design too. It seems like the roof design might be a liability. It can’t see when a small person suddenly cross out in front of the car. And that’s one of the tests to qualify for regulatory approval. Not good for NIO and Li. If you search for the robotaxi test XPeng just passed, one of the gifs shows a scenario that the roof lidar would have extreme difficulty with.

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@enigmatum thanks ! ot But why do you think xpeng nio byd are going down is it because of the Covid lockdown or the Biden ban on semi to China? honestly I'm very impressed by what China has done with their autonomous driving and cars in general

[@enigmatum]

@@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg BYD fundamentals is very strong. So their crash is the baseline for the macro effect of Xi consolidating power. The West fears China turning more communist. To be fair, if Xi wants to turn more communist, not much can stop him. However, it’s an overreaction. Xi’s lieutenants came from high growth areas and oversaw tremendous development tech and private enterprise growth. Zero-CoVid is a weight for some months still. The Chinese will either get used to it, and it won’t affect demand. Or they can’t maintain it, and it’ll be loosened. NIO’s demand is down. XPeng is more so. NIO should recover by end of Q4. XPeng Q2 2023. XPeng is holding up despite atrocious sales because of their tech. Leading the robotaxi race can bring hundreds of billions of valuation by 2026.

[@rabbitazteca23]

Soooo good

[@user-dc9ew8qv4j]

That’s why this car is the gout

[@TLH788]

Nice 👍

[@etbadaboum]

Chinese cities are the most difficult? Go to Tel Aviv or Rome, and we'll discuss.

[@xinyiquan666]

after you been to china, you know what he is talking about

[@etbadaboum]

@@xinyiquan666 Have you been in Naples?

[@xinyiquan666]

@@etbadaboum i dont have to go, its no where that compare with cities in china

[@fastcx]

@@xinyiquan666 tbh, China's traffic is quite civilized compares to India's XD 看过印度新德里的交通吗?

[@xinyiquan666]

@@fastcx that place is shat hole, it does not count, we are talking about decent driving way, india road is not just for cars

[@Brick-Life]

RIP the Hongqi that crashed the cement truck

[@unclezeppy]

Guangzhou/Foshan is a good place to test the self driving systems, it's a mega city area that has old and new road designs, bridges, tunnels, roundabouts, etc. I did some dash cam videos there for an autopilot developer 4-5 years ago and learned quite quickly how enormous task self driving system is. Using super accurate maps, lidars, cameras and sensors is not enough, you really need AI to be able to drive everywhere, and still the traffic environment has to be standardized. Without AI you can probably get it 99% right but not to 99,9999% which is required. That autopilot developer got bought out or something, the contact person told me in the end they know now what the limits are and will concentrate on a mini bus service that is running a set route.

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

Not AI, but EJFJ Cumulative Cleverness, understanding things as they are, which need to be humanop-normed, equiped with few well arranged lanthanid atoms to allow distance reading of all objects and detect what is possible and what is not... EJFJ Positive Contextualisation based on this, is the only applicable thing, but the Xpeng quite realized this, they just miss accurate informations from old and badly used vehicles, who do not announce well what they can do and what they need from the Xpeng to escape from any sort of danger, and follow their own road... Each vehicle need to benefit of the most secure and most effective driveway...

[@lonkow]

Yeaa, xpeng FSD theft from Tesla is pyaing off!

[@etbadaboum]

These FSD systems seem so brittle. One new situation the car never encountered and it's blocked. It's an extremely difficult problem and we don't seem to every be close to solve it.

[@PeterXiao1]

Basically intelligence is needed. ML isn't it

[@etbadaboum]

@@PeterXiao1 Musk admitted it. They needed to solve important AI advancements in order to deliver the current FSB beta, which is not perfect.

[@networm78]

Safety first. It always errs on the side of caution, not because it can't get around the obstacle if it wanted to.

[@etbadaboum]

@@networm78 No, it just doesn't understand the situation so it stops. And being stuck is a safety issue to others!

[@networm78]

@@etbadaboum No, I've seen scenarios by other Chinese reviewers that had to wait for bigger clearance by cars from the sides before it attempts to drive around an obstacle.

[@ivanleechina]

Try AITO， please

[@KyleKrueger]

Weird. Only ever seen this go on the exact same route 🤔🤔

[@chinese6093]

伊森能添加中文字幕吗

[@xiangseaman2168]

可以去B站观看

[@kittyflier8338]

Bilibili

[@directxxxx71]

可以呀 setting> captions>auto translate > Chinese (traditional)繁体

[@chinese6093]

@@xiangseaman2168 谢谢

[@gregchristie2763]

How does it do in the countryside or a different city ? Oh sorry it's a mapped system.. so probably not so not so well..but great for this town. Although is still in development..I believe they intend to do away with mapping and it's certainly did deal well with dynamic object interaction reasonably well ..the cement truck accident..very impressive overall.. they probably leave the mapping on during the design and beta just for saftey. It's great to see systems challenging Tesla's... The more competition increases speed of development and cost to buy..this will make people think twice about spending all that money on the Tesla FSD.. and hopefully make Elon have to include it in the eventually.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

yes... because most people usually drive on unmapped roads. 🙄

[@randomname931]

this seems more robust than GM or Tesla's L2 AV system. but you need a more provocative to draw more viewers. something like "I tested the most advanced autonomous vehicle in the world."

[@神成子]

most advanced autonomous is ARCFOX (HUAWEI HI)，only one L3.5 on earth

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@神成子 our Genius ELON will crush all the communists !

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

@@神成子which CHINESE car CO uses it ?

[@Brick-Life]

4:20 spy testing car

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

Yes, there is another car following... They are filming, studying how it acts and improving solutions already inplemented in the P5...

[@hnt510]

这些自动驾驶的车在路上是最好欺负的😂😂😂。还有某些自动驾驶的车在早高峰的时候也出来跑是很讨厌的。我就碰到在早高峰的时候被一个趴窝的萝卜快跑给堵上的。

[@Zmap6191]

Ok this is impressive. I have a Tesla model 3 with FSD and no freaking way can it navigate as smoothly bas this. In fact there is no freaking way vision only can even get us to L3 let alone L5 like Elon claims. I was conned out of 7k for FSD and any fanboy who claims Tesla FSD is any good is a pure liar..it's worse than my teenager driver and it's already reached peak capability IMO. In the year of having FSD I have seen zero improvement in navigation. What a collosal waste..

[@EJFJ-Corporation]

Tesla is a parody, nothing serious, just a way to make money for Elon Musk... They are used to pollute the intersideral space, as the Tesla Roadster sent in 2018... It is just publicity... A bit like Macintosh, a bit like Ferrari, but Macintosh and Ferrari do real products and quite qualitative compared to those of Tesla... Tesla created new opportunities by showing it is possible to use more powerful electrical motors to propel heavy cars... The effectiveness of nowadays electrical motors with more than 93% efficiency allowed this miracle. Tesla showed it is possible, but it is everything except a good solution! And now they reduce the quality of detectors to drastically reduce the price of their cars, as they only want to make money... Paypal has been done as a parody of Bill !T, just to makle money, too, by the same Elon Musk... He just rub good ideas and realize part of them and make lots of money from his fake solutions... It will be the same with TruthGPT which will be everything except for truth...

[@willemm]

KZbin calls XPeng X-punk in the autogenerated subtitles :)

[@subasthapa4839]

Looks sci fi

[@quixomega]

I think this manufacturer needs to realize that if they're selling in a western market they need to change the Romanization of their name to "X Pung" if they want anyone who doesn't also speak Chinese to pronounce their name like that.

[@marklola12]

I kinda agree but take a look how people say Hyundai.....most say it like High...hunday But some say it like Hunday

[@waichungsham1578]

There are many English words that are spelled diffently to how it's pronounced.just learned to be more informed instead.

[@michaeljiang960]

Toyota doesn't agree

[@networm78]

Porsche, Chevrolet, Alfa Romeo, Mercedes, Peugeot, Volkswagen would disagree

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

@@networm78 I think literally every car sound ''wrong'' in other languages than the native one... even my very simple name ''Dacia'' get butchered in every possible way in other languages. 😅

[@ericcarabetta1161]

The vertical infotainment screen is a total dealbreaker.

[@subasthapa4839]

For me, the tech inside is more important than a little bit of extra aesthetics anyday.

[@lonkow]

Dude, preset route and you know jack sh:t about fsd and obviously paid ad. level 4?! Are u high

[@eaojnr]

Tesla is removing/reducing the sensor suit on the car. Xpeng is adding more and still can’t do level 4 smoothly. Where is the world heading with marketing… or it’s always been marketing? And why is that the same route every uses to show us the capability of city NGP? The other day Hexiaopeng used that same route, and similar videos show same… or are the roads same all over? Lol😂

[@ahsanhaider6549]

Tesla is also hitting toddlers in test runs tho

[@MrNayoz]

scam

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

we are TESLA we dont care about PHANTOM BREAKING and other things