Hanshi 8th Dan Demonstration - The 51st All-Japan Iaido Championships (2016)

Hanshi 8-dan Demonstration
ISHIDO Shizufumi (Kanagawa) and OGURA Noboru (Tochigi)

[@Jinisinsane]

I like how the 3rd guy just came out of nowhere swinging his sword.

[@Thenamelessgod-cz9em]

Yeah 😂

[@cinimatics]

You wouldn't believe how hard it is to get the blade to make that "whoosh" sound. These guys are doing it like it's nothing.

[@smoothcriminal7232]

Ballowall their sword has a "bo-hi" or blood groove.. you'll see that carved straight paralel to the sword close to the back/dull side of the blade.. and that what creates the swooshing sound

[@math001]

Is it really? I can make a standard pipe or any other metal that you can hold like a sword sound like that. I don't understand what makes it harder for a sword. This is an honest question. It's just that I always see lots of comments in youtube overglorifying bushido but then one who practices the real thing shows up and says it's all basic stuff.

[@The_Hylian_Likely]

@@math001 most of the time you end up getting a fwooshing noise regardless, if you swing hard enough. But to get that higher-pitch, clean woosh sound that these guys got every time requires precision. Your sword's blade has to be perfectly in line with your arm and the line of drive. When you swing it with precision, there should be no noticeable resistance vs when you just swing. Precise swings will get you a high pitched woosh, non-precise will get you a lower fwoosh sound.

[@math001]

I see. That clears it up.

[@jakubmike5657]

Bull... I fought with ny grandfather saber when I was a kid...woosh is easy

[@THECanCErSouLS]

3:43 where do you learn ichimonji Triple!??!

[@andywatson4872]

This is called Sogiri, number 11 in ZNKR Iai

[@TerrifiedKaggy]

@@andywatson4872 it's a joke, theres a videogame called sekiro where you can make a similar move where you can only swing twice

[@punchyboi6915]

Vergil: *what form of power is this!?*

[@brianfoley4328]

A real pleasure to watch two experienced swordmen.

[@Haplo-san]

Sure they experienced many wars, took many lives and survived many duels.

[@Flowing_Water_in_The_Valley]

@@Haplo-sanEh. It would be like this, if they were samurais from other Japanese eras.

[@asvelt9933]

Immortal temptation Takes over my mind Condamned Falling weak on my knees Summon the strength Of Mayhem I am the storm that is approaching Provoking Black clouds in isolation I am reclaimer of my name Born in flames I have been blessed My family crest is a demon of death Forsakened I am awakened A phoenix’s ash in dark divine Descending misery Destiny chasing time Inherit the nightmare, surrounded by fate Can't run away Keep walking the line, between the light Led astray Through vacant halls I won't surrender The truth revealed in eyes of ember We fight through fire and ice forever Two souls once lost, and now they remember I am the storm that is approaching Provoking black clouds in isolation I am reclaimer of my name Born in flames, I have been blessed My family crest is a demon of death Forsakened, I am awakened A phoenix's ash in dark divine Descending misery Destiny chasing time Disappear into the night Lost shadows left behind Obsession's pulling me Fading, I've come to take what's mine Lurking in the shadows under veil of night Constellations of blood pirouette Dancing through the graves of those who stand at my feet Dreams of the black throne I keep on repeat A derelict of dark, summoned from the ashes The puppet master congregates all the masses Pulling strings, twisting minds as blades hit You want this power? Then come try and take it Beyond the tree, fire burns Secret love, bloodline yearns Dark minds embrace, crimson joy Does your dim heart heal or destroy? Bury the light deep within Cast aside, there's no coming home We're burning chaos in the wind Drifting in the ocean all alone

[@ciroponzalli327]

ripigliati

[@mashash9594]

Vergil: the alpha and omega

[@ahilanisbored]

i came here just to see this thank you

[@1stjohn478]

1:27 now I get it why some samurai are bald.

[@poisonerlady]

XD that movement does not touch hair, do not worry xD

[@randompheidoleminor3011]

*most*

[@kinan2934]

100TH LIKE

[@bouirot]

2:08 perfect

[@SquirrelASMR]

What am I looking at? The guy stomping on the ground?

[@phaedrus1267]

@@SquirrelASMR Have to go frame by frame. He draws his sword to the right then swipes it to the left and over his own head without giving himself a haircut or worse.

[@anarkismus8410]

Top 10 strongest anime characters

[@whannabi]

Never mess with the old man

[@lilx1652]

Bro I’m cryin

[@leifdux7277]

The white and the red box were surely giving a great performance!

[@zombiehunter1229]

I like it when they take the word out and then put it back

[@telelaci2]

I donno what Hanshi means but Its beautiful what they do. So disciplined and calm and perfect.

[@FlaviaSilva-zp6jb]

telelaci2 hanshi means they have achieved the highest level, they can properly be called sensei

[@ritviksharma5901]

I just want to learn this beautiful skill

[@dahlionn2119]

The cool thing is in Germany in Munich there is a Dojo where you can learn it, im a member there, even tho im pretty new to it, but it's really cool, but it's not easy for sure.

[@nikkoigawa8057]

C'est une bonne présentation, concentration, travail de recherche et précision.

[@mekugi]

Great video! Keep that content going!!

[@hapsororenaldy5971]

Ishido Sensei performance really inspiring.

[@sengiko]

Now I’m feeling motivated!

[@DedicatedSpirit8]

Paying my respects. 🙇‍♂️

[@ProfessorPesca]

Iaido really comes across as Yoga but with super-expensive accessories.

[@andresrivera1638]

Incredible! Well done!

[@ciroponzalli327]

incredibile, ben fatto

[@xursula4735]

2:11 it looks badass how the guy in the left puts the sword in its place

[@ahilanisbored]

vergil be like:

[@JeanPaul-Godtier]

3:43 that sound ... Like a bird

[@chris_ackroyd]

But not the announcer on the Tannoy - really breaks the spell!

[@mrfrogg46able]

physical poetry

[@jemarcatubig3171]

I practice kenjutsu and i should say... These forms are utterly magnificent... The accuracy and precision are very beautiful... The flow is continuous. If u say that this is slow... It is made to be slow young men. If they will do that on a quick iai like in kenjutsu... U wont see the beauty of the move at all... For itll be over too soon. Iaijutsu is an art of death... Its beauty can only be shown when it cuts down enemy... Iaido is an art of decipline... And the precision accuracy and mastery of this men shows they are worthy masters.

[@gregbuck701]

I am no way even in the same building as these men.....but having studied martial arts, tang soo do, kick boxing for a good number of yrs., these guys are smooth smooth smooth. Would love to see them actually use it. It would be magnificent. Full bow to them.

[@jemarcatubig3171]

@@nasajetpropulsionlaborator8727 ur rather uneducated for someone using the name of NASA...

[@mrfrogg46able]

well said

[@jemarcatubig3171]

@@sanmcnellis94 whut? Pardon me if i cannot understand... I just... Cant read context... I studied grammar...

[@ronin2167]

I found it interesting when they bowed in to the sword the tsuka was pointing to the right...when they bowed out it was to the left. I never seen it to the right before. Always to the left.

[@tonyiaido2066]

they did the right bows

[@dertodyami]

because they did the ZNKR torei, not their koryu one

[@Handsome_Lonewolf]

Phenomenal

[@lulutileguy]

like to see samurai and feudal japan exhibition at some museum in the west like a tour where we see lots maybe even have exhibit experts answer questions from anyone that asks

[@billybill3120]

1:20-1:30 that is a insane move. I'd be scared I'd see the top of my head fly off. that takes EXTREME precision. much respect.

[@jadekayak01]

really-that was pretty basic chiburi

[@seikibrian8641]

+ billy bill -- You'll usually start off with a bokken (wooden sword) before moving on to an iaito (unsharpened alloy sword), and only after many years will you use a shinken (live blade). Learning the chiburi isn't as hard as it may look, and you'll probably only hit yourself in the head once before you learn what not to do. ;-)

[@jadekayak01]

SeikiBrian really. at the school i went to we started with a boken and 3 weejs later i was on a live blade-no iaito i suppose its all about safety.if you can handle a boken your given a chance with something else. also iaito are incredibly expensive for what they are and you cannot really learn when handling a toy

[@seikibrian8641]

I said "usually" move on to an iaito, not "always." Yes, iaito can be expensive, but so is a proper shinken. In my dojo, beginners often got iaito in the $300 - $500 dollar range; my most recent iaito was well over $1300. But a proper shinken will also be over $1,000...if not triple that or more. (And an iaito is not "a toy" in the right hands. If you think so you are extremely naive.)

[@RoboBoddicker]

Iaito are popular in Japan because live blades are illegal to own there. The only real swords you can get are shinken made by licensed smiths who do everything the traditional way, and they cost thousands of dollars.

[@carlosacta8726]

What a fascinating country and culture!

[@earlcheatham9152]

...Superb!!!

[@avopeac6300]

do any kata start with holding a teapot?

[@sxkjknjw2]

DO not blink, you'll miss Vergil's debut

[@juilescieg]

Vergil would fall ten times asleep watching this. ^^

[@Matt-cz6ti]

“My homeland has been a battleground since before my great-grandfather first carried his sword into battle. He killed many for his master, and his son and my father did the same. They were all worthy ancestors, and I am proud to carry the same blade”

[@willglo]

Very nice demo! Though some heads were gonna fly!... glad they didn't!

[@The_SixShooter]

The move is called chiburi and I m sure they r using unsharpened uchi-katana for katas and practices.

[@jadekayak01]

am I going senior or was that setei gata mixed in with koryu. the guy in the left did ibe kata lightning fast but spit on!

[@Thsiscool]

BAN..... KAI!!!!!!

[@haris_1745]

TENSA ZANGETSU!!!

[@hschan5976]

Question: why is blade sheathing part of the kata? why would you sheath your blade immediately after supposedly hitting the opponent, without wiping it with cloth first? Blood on the blade going into the scabbard can cause all sorts of maintenance issues later on.

[@wladff]

The way you sheath your sword shows your level of both training and understanding of basic principles of the fight that's why it is included in kata. Also, you obviously can not start the ​next kata with a sword in your hand :). In kenjutsu there is also a special movement meant to shake off blood and other remains from the blade. You can see a sort of such movement in some katas here as well.

[@jemarcatubig3171]

They always shake blood off.... Notice it senpai

[@gustavoantoniopereira3028]

If you notice, in the end of every kata they do Chiburi, shacking the blood of with a sudden move

[@tachibanamuneshige8389]

IKUZOUUU SEKIROOOAAHH

[@MrGenericmember1234]

Whats up with the guy on the right at 1:28 ? I assume he is some part of the demonstration?

[@RoboBoddicker]

It's a competition. That dude is performing for a another set of judges

[@victormcarrasco4821]

There´s increasingly disrespectful comments nowadays regarding Iaido and Aikido Sensei. It´s a pity, this has to stop.

[@jonathankeisar4600]

I completely agree with u man

[@charlykonano2395]

People disrespect Aikido because of Steven Seagal, I even dislike that guy very much, he is such a liar.

[@ViniciusTheEmpty]

Iaido is beautiful and an art, but Musashi would be laughing at then. It's not a complete martial art, it's complementary to kendo. An extra for the sake of being gracious. Awesome masters anyway.

[@arteblack13]

Incredible techniques. It's like battle of the banjos, only with katanas.

[@arteblack13]

to these old-school masters, respect is like high currency.

[@albertwesker9592]

Who came here after vergil was announced as a playable character in devil may cry 5 special edition?

[@partheyjohn6216]

Qu'est-ce que c'est que cette comédie?

[@unmeaninglessly143]

2:07 that guy on the right kinda stomped. is it allowed? i'm learning aikido and we're not supposed to lift the feet. the left guy feet sliding are nice.

[@unmeaninglessly143]

well... i'm just learning the basics for handling katana. since most of the aikido techniques is based on holding a katana. the name you mentioned is kinda hard to find (youtube video). any good links?

[@Marnavla]

Yes, it is one kind of kata, in the one you have to "stomp your feet"

[@Marnavla]

Sure, There is not a "try to do" in Iaido, a hesitation while performing it is a sign of not being in tune with your Kata, I was explaining it politely. There is so many things that personally lack of knowledge in the martial arts, that if I would come to a question in a different field I would not like to be treated disrespectfully due my lack of knowledge.

[@Marnavla]

I do understand your point, and as I said before it was my own way to appoint to the subject, anyhow thank you for your input, it is always helpful to know different points of view.

[@yaroxkendo3043]

There are different styles of iaido. They had different teachers. Theiy are differently influenced by different people. Thus, you should not wonder "is it allowed or not". They both are 8th dan in iaido (and they are also high ranked in other arts like kendo). They define what's allowed and what's not by their teachings.

[@Hondunu]

Is iaido part of kendo? Genuinely curious.

[@LuccatielD7]

I believe they are separate disciplines.

[@keewffbywrhathrrd3603]

They're separate but complementary. Many practitioners of kendo also do iaido and vice versa.

[@3MP7Y]

I found the cure for insomnia

[@RadagonTheRed]

3MP7Y In one statement your nationality is revealed. American.

[@simorote]

@@RadagonTheRed what do you mean?

[@cradle652]

Ain’t much difference between ignorance and sleep.

[@themadman7173]

Because you're dead if it connects and you'll be laid to rest for all of eternity?

[@AravenaScheid]

Didn't saw jodo before?

[@alexanderermakov363]

Our style is oguro noburu (left with mustache) musso shinden ryu

[@ricardofernandez3714]

Zentzuduna!!!!

[@jonathandraper7065]

As someone who doesn’t know anything about this … what did they actually do?

[@Valkyri3Z]

Can you actually sword fight by learning Iaido ?

[@gho3tsoldier1]

Poetry I’m motion..

[@ahilanisbored]

BURY THE LIIIIGHT DEEP WITHIIIIIIN

[@derPanthauu]

War der Kameramann besoffen?

[@aikidotrek125]

👍🏾

[@TheIaidoGuy]

To male the light whoosh is quite easy if u "throw" the katana but thats not real cutting, the idea is to have a deep whoosh sound where you can really feel the cut

[@jmas2593]

Imagine if you paused time, put someone where they're about to slice, then unpause time. That'd be fun!

[@vainklutz3179]

Agreed

[@8beeen]

Twist: that someone is you.

[@tennots]

Did I hear him strike the floor with the boshi after his cut @ 2:50

[@njorr4434]

He didnt hit the floor. You can hear the same sound at 3:34. Probably someone koshirae which is a little loose

[@anthias1974]

He killed someone at the distance

[@roygbiv3305]

in the high rank dan testings of iaido, those who take tests have bribed to judges who test them since long time ago. some of the iaido high rankers had bought their titles by money.

[@BuriedFlame]

So it's pay to win?

[@roygbiv3305]

to buy eight dan or hanshi title. judges of eight dan test consisted of 6 for primary test and 9 for secondary test. judges of hanshi title test consisted of 10. all judges in each test had both 8 dan ranks AND hanshi titles. there was/were agencies (lol) in their promotion committee (lol). an examinee paid 650 million jp yen to some judges (lol). every paper and tv reported this case this 2018 summer.

[@LOREOFTHETHINGS]

SHISHI SON SON!!!

[@pizdecvsem1098]

чего то не понял.

[@sugaayaseyue3405]

pregunta, es iaido o Laido?

[@iagobroxado]

iai

[@hoho_4103]

Franchement c'est comme dire que l'équitation est un sport

[@orion1553]

Hahaha ! Soit tu troll très bien, soit tu n'a jamais fait d'équitation !

[@hoho_4103]

Mon pauvre sérieusement, c'est le cheval qui sue pas toi

[@orion1553]

Tu as déjà essayé ?

[@hoho_4103]

Je m'expliquerai avec toi demain, je te dis bonne nuit on discutera de manière plus posée.

[@Jonathan22546]

The genius of zoom !! 🤦‍♀

[@MrYOBA1488]

It's not that fast as i expected

[@gbmartins1724]

Os véis tem o manejo da espada

[@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd]

Did gray hair win? Lol

[@joeyj6808]

I didn't hear a single scream, no KiYahs, I saw no severed limbs, no blood...you call this swordplay?????

[@jocelynbruces3898]

i wonder why a samurai pratitioner always wearing cloth like curtain...is that a traditional costume they always wear when they carry sword...what about they try a skinny costume battle vest i think they move more comfortable ...but i love japanese culture they're respectful awesome.

[@keewffbywrhathrrd3603]

I believe the hakama is worn because of tradition. It's not particularly uncomfortable, but it does make going up stairs difficult.

[@Ekozaak]

came here after baki

[@oliverward3723]

X

[@MelkorPT]

Swinging your walking stick is big in Japan, apparently.

[@A.TOM.1938]

Если это 8 й дан , то я Миямото Мусаси . Бедная Япония

[@Happyclownman]

So..... does anything interesting ever happen with this? I can understand kendo and kyudo... but this is just like that really slow play fighting you do as kids. Granted their toys are cooler. The only thing I can see as skill from this is poise, but I don't see the finesse.

[@seraphik]

why don’t you try the move at 1:26 before you run your mouth.

[@Rubycule]

These movements are incredible precise. It's not supposed to be flashy. It's not supposed to be viable in a real fight (although the skills aquired by training this are). It's meant to be a challenging exercise for both body and mind. Every single detail of the form is important - if it looks easy, it's because they trained decades to make it look fluent and flawless.

[@stashmcjammin]

I fail to see the art or the appeal, precise the movements may be they are not complicated or physically demanding, simple in nature and slow. It looks more therapeutic like slow tia chi than a competitive sport.

[@Rubycule]

They look a lot easier than they actually are, because they trained decades to do these movements as precise and efficiently as possible. It's not supposed to be flashy. And yes, it is more about meditation than fighting but trust me, it can still be a highly competitive sport if you want it to be.

[@JrmCarty]

Osu.

[@benquinneyiii7941]

All the rest is consequence

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

Hold my beer ...

[@talkfan]

Honestly… unless it’s Kuroda Tetsuzan sensei or Otake sensei …who cares

[@arajoaina]

Made a ceremony out of killing people with the sword. This is so stupid. It's a complete bullshit. The best swordsman off all time Musashi proved that two handed sword handling is bs.

[@CorporaMedicina]

same old...same old....

[@Keinetrag]

Peketjakuzaichwarvorzweimitunekaken

[@MicPowell]

まぬけ

[@blackgod594]

boooooo

[@mr31337]

TL;DW something about really old men in dresses

[@dsbond8048]

The guy on the left is very good. The white haired guy, not so much.

[@dafuqmr13]

yeah sure you are the best

[@MetinGolesh]

Are you a joke

[@gxtmfa]

I’m sure at that age things like arthritis become an issue

[@thedirtybirdgamefarm3125]

ds Bond he's old

[@perschultz8161]

You can't really compare them since Ogura-sensei (left) is doing seitei and Ishido-sensei (right) is doing koryu. If you don't know what this means you can't possibly tell if one person is better than the other

[@user-xf9cm9uc9i]

かないみかさん調べて覚えて下さい宜しくお願いします

[@lordkira9791]

meh

[@gomcse]

I agree with this comment. I was shocked to see they are ranked as 8th dan. As an example, the fellow on the left missed his saya when sheathing during Mae.

[@FAWKES8037]

Chato. Minha opinião

[@davidd.3213]

What is funny to me is that in a battle in medieval Japan those guys would die within seconds. This is more a dance with a sword than anything else

[@apugalypse_now]

And there's nothing wrong with that. Some martial arts are not about inflicting efficient violence upon others but about art.

[@MartinJutras]

Your comment is historically incorrect. Samurai never fought on the battle field with iaido. The arts of iaido or drawing the sword, was developed in Edo period, an era where peace was established in Japan. The only time iaido might have been used was during duels. Even there, contrary to what movies says, duels were mostly forbidden.

[@martinvanco8459]

like ive never held katana but thats something i could do without problems absolutely no skill or years of training needed

[@hoshizoraaki8302]

Pff...you going to try convince me you were able ride a bicycle without even having sat on one before when you were young?

[@martinvanco8459]

what is hard on swinging with katana? lmao dude

[@santana8797]

Martin Vančo you’d probably end up in the er

[@yuvalshneor696]

It is not about the show, it is about the idea, the accuracy and the self control when holding the sword. It is way more complicated than it looks, even though it doesn't seem to be.

[@MartinJutras]

Ignorande is bliss.

[@paxcssr]

if the samurai met the eskrimador, they will surely die. no way they can survive the art of fighting of the eskrima.

[@timgentemann6324]

Thats damn boring

[@agonzalez8924]

Even if these guys are slowing their movements for the sake of showing off their precision, these moves are so impractical. They are so telegraphed, that if youre dumb enough to get hit by it, you deserve to be cut down by it. Moreover, schools where they teach this kind of garbage is exactly the kind of thing that Musashi criticized in his book of five rings because as he pointed out, they focus on all the wrong things instead of the things that will make you a fine swordsman. Its akin to a basketball player who is over geared, wears headbands, wristbands, elbow pads, knee pads, jock strap, mouthguard, faceguard, tape, impeccable uniform and so on.. and thinks those things will make him a better basketball player, instead of practicing his jump shot.

[@Catubrannos]

Their moves are not telegraphed. Try to imagine too you are standing in front of them rather than way back with the distance the camera provides. A younger person doing this who needs this to survive will be better sure, but these guys show fluid economic motion in the draw.

[@jwgoon]

In a sense, you are right. Modern Iaido isn't meant to be a combative form of swordsmanship. It's intent is to give a basic idea of how to handle the sword for Kendo players and to develop a form of aesthetics and a sense of awareness. But tell me. You quote Musashi a fair bit. Have you trained in Niten Ichi Ryu or some other form of kenjutsu?

[@Catubrannos]

@@jwgoon Of course not, Iaido is the soft form of Iaijutsu which is the real martial art, like kenjutsu and jujutsu are the fighting versions of kendo and judo.

[@jwgoon]

@@Catubrannos Actually my question was directed towards @agonzalez8924 so I'm waiting for his comment which would probably never appear

[@JohnDoe-yq9rt]

iaido is a joke if you want to learn sword go to a real dojo

[@byyzwiadowca1061]

bullshido

[@LION-he6cd]

What did you expect to see sweet heart ? some ninja mambo jambo hollywood movie fight ??

[@LION-he6cd]

Hahaha

[@stricklyrubbadub]

były zwiadowca is a pęk

[@byyzwiadowca1061]

ja,ja kartofeln kopf durnie. 10 - dan in farting :))

[@stricklyrubbadub]

nein nein nein nein nein! arschgeige

[@kkyyee]

how is this impressive at all?

[@maskcollector6949]

Something tells me these guys don't even remotely hold a candle to when katanas were more practical. I find these guys to be incredibly slow - true iaido is going to be practically impossible to see otherwise there's really no point in it being invented as a surprise attack. This isn't impressive, unfortunately - and it seems the best swordsplay died with Miyamoto Musashi, and apparently nobody read his books...I can't help but feel they're wasting their time with moves that no longer even preserve the art, and aren't practical - and therefore useless. These 8th dan's would get stomped by a novice in the Edo period, I bet you anything. Martial arts without practical sparring isn't even martial arts, it's rehearsed dance. Too many "masters" and not enough students. I'm literally faster than they are and I'm not even practiced. Being old isn't an excuse, they're 8th Dan's, so what is? I can only gripe if it is in slow motion.

[@dafuqmr13]

sure weeboo

[@L454RU5]

Why are there always idiots like this posting on martial arts videos?

[@Ermac_______________________69]

You are so ignorant, please do us a favor and keep your ridiculous opinions to yourself

[@maskcollector6949]

There's nothing ridiculous about criticizing an attack that is meant to be the first to hit, I've studied martial arts history well enough to have an opinion on the subject. Read Book of Five Rings and it will mention blinding fast strikes, case in point. Considering it was written by the only undefeated and likely the best samurai/ronin in history, I wouldn't take it lightly. I just think the true ki is no longer felt in modern iaido, it's missing something. If my opinions upset you, that's a personal problem, I'm more concerned with the actual preservation of martial arts - telling me to keep my ideas to myself when they have grounded basis in fact is rather ludicrous, however. Don't try and tell me Musashi didn't practice quick-drawing his sword out of his scabbard because that's unrealistic. No, he has as strike called "the strike of non-thought" which he would have used for his quick-draws. I'm basing my opinions on evidence, you are just complaining because you're probably a practitioner of kendo, etc, and several of you seem to have quite the high horse.

[@teflondrunk]

Austin Foster If youre so infatuated with Musashi, why don't you find a legitimate Niten ichi ryu dojo and join. Musashi's techniques have been passed down.

[@philpyung4831]

And they would be trampled under heel in an instant. Completely useless nonsense.

[@keewffbywrhathrrd3603]

I think modern iaido has more to do with mental and spiritual harmony or something to that effect. A sword isn't a great weapon, especially in the modern day where guns are relatively common.

[@yahyaskillz7853]

Meh , fake sound

[@oliverward3723]

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