Happy Hour #53 - Event Horizon (feat. Count Dankula)

[@SargonofAkkad]

God I love this film.

[@blvp2145]

I knew you’re gonna be watching this. Karl you could’ve joined them for this live stream if you had the time.

[@Triggs-Music]

me too!

[@Kernwadi]

The ancient man himself...

[@OG-ProfessorPongo]

Giving it a shot now

[@SideShowDisaSter]

Been a fan since I first saw it on VHS back when 😁 Saw this and In The Mouth of Madness around the same time.

[@sigmacademy]

Count Dankula: "I'm not sure the scientists considered the ship would be sent to hell." Doom scientists: *nod heads knowingly*

[@lucascoval828]

(Laughs in UAC)

[@highriskgunman4181]

yep to bad they made that crap.

[@TheCaptainCrack]

*DOOM music slowly rising from the background

[@Kevin-dl6nf]

Nothing is funnier than when Capt. Miller finally got a glimpse of the the Sex Gorgy, the disgust on his face and the simple resolution, "We're Leaving" Priceless

[@g3nj1]

Walks in... Horrified... "NOPE!"

[@dirtyfunkymonkey]

Brilliant, dead pan line.

[@spudmeister9566]

Made him the most realistic horror protagonist in 2 words

[@_Jay_Maker_]

It really was a reasonable and human take. "Yeah, no, fuck this. We're out."

[@Kevin-dl6nf]

@@_Jay_Maker_ Yep, "I don't intend to leave the ship. I intend to take the Luis and Clarke to a safe enough distance and shoot tactical missles at the Event Horizon until im satisfied its vaporized, f### this ship" lol so many legendary quotes

[@Knight-chaplainashriel]

Ah yes, the origins of warp travel in Warhammer 40k. Lol 😆

[@DankApostle]

Without the Gellar field generator.

[@Caz0r]

With the field. Without it they would have actual demons on the ship

[@DankApostle]

@@Caz0r No daemons will manifest. I take the situation as the ship was possessed by a minor warp entity and this is humanity's first entering the warp and making themselves known own to the nascent Chaos gods. So Dr Weir became the first chaos cultist and becomes joined to his ship.

[@filteredjc4653]

The Emperor didn't protect

[@Knight-chaplainashriel]

@@DankApostle WELL SAID!! but, really. That 1as nicely put. Humanities first cultist. I like it.

[@timmeyer9191]

Best line... "To you, Hell is just a word. The reality is much, much worse." The thought still terrifies me.

[@morbidone88]

This movie not only scared the shit out of me, it was an incredible look into what an amalgamation of science and religion would look like in an awesome way with some amazing acting.

[@logangrimnar3800]

Imagine the demon ship trying to torment the one guy who's got nothing traumatic or heart wrenching in his past. The best it can do is conjure up awkward moments like saying goodbye to your friend then walking in the same direction as them.

[@aranjenkins2627]

The Sam Neil scream is on par with the Wilhelm scream. Top notch

[@NefariousKoel]

The "Blue" Sam Neill scream from 'In The Mouth Of Madness' is a staple meme nowadays too.

[@Garrus1995]

I love how Drinker uses it in some of his videos. It’s hilarious every time!

[@mr.battle20]

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that the makers of this movie were huge 40k fans, and when asked about it, they admitted they were "inspired" by it. Of course, legally they couldn't come out and say it, but this was basically meant to be a precursor to 40k, showing mankind's first contact with the Warp. P.S. The gothic "cathedral" design of the ship was lifted almost wholesale from 40k as well.

[@Requiem4u]

Yes, the writers have said they got inspiration from 40k so some Warhammer fans decided Event Horizon is an unofficial 40k prequel. But they've also said they took inspiration from Hellraiser. Are 40k and Hellraiser a shared cannon now? Of course not. It's a nice idea, but most likely not based on reality.

[@asd3601]

@@Requiem4u the cenobites are textbook slaaneshi

[@Requiem4u]

@@asd3601 Textbook Slaaneshi? Hellraiser came out in 1987, Slaanesh was introduced in 1988. GW have been known lore thieves for decades, never crediting the sources if their inspirations.

[@asd3601]

@@Requiem4u yeah im gonna guess they were the prime inspiration for Slaanesh

[@niksatt4843]

I saw this movie before even knowing about Warhammer. And I'm just now learning about Warhammer. First thing I thought when I saw Warhammer ships was holy shit event horizon

[@LorcanWard]

Humanity entering the warp without a gellar field was a harsh lesson

[@luciferthedoberman8991]

I love that so many people have made this an unofficial WH40K prequel

[@andrewbergamann7982]

@@luciferthedoberman8991Because originally it was a WH40K origin movie... Until Games Workshop took away the rights to them and fucked it all.

[@oswaldschmidt9351]

I frankly wish to have Dank more often in your shows! Well done!

[@g3nj1]

I agree. Call it "the Scott's take over". Or a "drunk and a dog dad of a nazi". Or "It's not crap!" Or something more clever, but definitely call it something.

[@jamesedleymusic]

Gmanlives would be great too but I can understand that it’s not ideal with the time differences.

[@botep5529]

​@@jamesedleymusic he had gmanlives for one episode. I think it was on street fighter the movie

[@Mateo_Esteban]

Nice to see Justice Dankula taking time out of his busy supreme courting to talk about a classic

[@gryphon9507]

They literally went into the Warp of Warhammer 40k without the Astronomican and no Galler field.

[@vladimirmihnev9702]

At this time they didn't need the astronomican, the geller field well UPS. But it's interesting that the shit that is going on is looking like the Slanesh type, but she/he/it will not be seen around for 30000 year or so. But then again warp fuckere, you don't think about this herecy you burn it! Emperor bless

[@natedavis4588]

Ur right, nerd

[@gryphon9507]

@@natedavis4588 Nerd? How did you know?

[@andrewwoodhead3141]

Ha! I just looked down the comments to see how long it would take to find a Warhammer reference. Six from the top ! Congrats.😄

[@v02max75]

Oops. Guess the guy wearing underwear on his head was right 🤣

[@1970jayjayc]

Saw this movie alone when it came out. The cinema was deserted and I was wasted. Let’s just say, when I got home that night I slept with the lights on! 😅

[@Alakazzam09]

I like the theory that this movie takes place in the 40k universe.

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

"Event Horizon" was one of the scariest movies from my teen years... And it still works!

[@1Three8Fiver]

The conversation at 45:00 about how the two sections would just need a single spur to be destroyed or a clamp to be released to free the forward decks as a lifeboat. The reason you have so many explosive charges starting from the rear is that the force multiplies in order to provide inertia to the forward decks to move them far enough away from the gravity drive in the rear as it opens up the tear in space and gets drawn in. Also be good for you both to look at 'Life' together.

[@Necronommodore64]

This was one of the best and funniest happy hours so far. The comparison between American and Scottish drug addicts made my sides hurt I was laughing so hard

[@wartooth88]

How in a thee bloody hell couild ya undrrstyand therse 2 fouls?!.! .....cheers mate! 🍻

[@SaviorCross]

What time stamp does it start at?

[@mk-tu3gv]

1:09:52

[@oldmoviemusic]

@@mk-tu3gv thank you kind sire

[@annaszot5598]

@@mk-tu3gv thank you this is pure gold XD LIBERATE ME XD

[@Ishwolv]

My brother made me watch this movie with him when I was 8. I had nightmares for months.

[@Stef3m]

That's what good brothers do

[@deleted5338]

“You don’t need eyes where we’re going…” I will never forget that line.

[@legatedrengr]

My favourite fan theory about this film is that Weir knew what would happen and where it would go, because he was already (to use the 40k connection) a Chaos cultist - hence the ease with which he is corrupted and the overall design of the ship itself. He was trying to prove his beliefs, essentially

[@GodStink]

Saw Event Horizon at the theater... one of the few movies I've seen that I had no idea at all what it was when I sat down. That zoom in and spin to the space station on the big screen was a trip. A space station, so it's sci-fi then? Then the wife pops up and I'm like... huh. Then they get to the Event Horizon and all hell breaks loose -- literally. Holy heck what a ride that was!

[@Dodsodalo]

This and the Thing are what made me love horror, like how Starship Troopers made me love Sci-fi , and Band of Brothers WW2 films.

[@briandain8432]

It's like the Director's Cut of Dark City, a much better movie, but as the Director said Hollywood CEOs think they'll make more money if they take an A+ Plot and Dumb it Down for the idiots they think we are.

[@umiluv]

Same with the Matrix. It was supposed to be a neural network that they used the humans for, not energy. But the execs thought it was too far out for normies to understand. What’s sad is that it would have been more fascinating and appropriate that the Matrix was created by the minds of the people to keep them trapped. It actually makes MORE sense but the execs are just that stupid.

[@OnyxJaguar]

Has this ever worked? I imagine Blade runner for instance has to have made more money in the long run with the recuts

[@tomasburian6550]

Dude, it's finally time to reach out to Sam Neill and get him on the show. You definitely have the star power to do that now.

[@suttercane6]

Sam loves Event Horizon but still wouldn't provide interviews for the bluray... If Drinker gets him it would be a miracle!

[@louisreinitz5642]

This was dare I say a hyper-creepy movie. I think it was a great movie.

[@Insidious_Rage]

Yeah Event Horizon.was a Gem held back thanks to crybaby media

[@texasbeast239]

It sure was creepy. They had an excellent mix of ingredients and a wonderful setup. But I don't feel they delivered on the premise. Felt this way in 1997, and again on rewatch earlier this year.

[@ansemthetrueseekerofdarkne2730]

That's what happens when you forget the Gellar field.

[@badwolfgooddog7979]

I have a bottle saved for this very moment. Sniffing the cork now.

[@BigBenn2014]

Me too, but mine saves a trip to the loo, and I’m not sniffing anything!

[@morbidone88]

Excellent.. (puts finger tips together)

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

these two guys are golden together. we need more of this.

[@heavymetal19610]

First time I saw this movie in the theatre, I felt something important got left on the cutting room floor. A director's cut might answer those questions! Cheers

[@morbidone88]

Very much so

[@chrispalmer9838]

The film has about 45 minutes missing and was originally much gorier and more violent. Sadly Paramount wimped out and ordered it trimmed down. The missing footage did exist but the film stock was badly stored and had deteriorated to the point it was unusable. Shame really...

[@volumedealer2716]

Movie is far too short for a film with a high concept. I watched it a couple months ago. It doesn't flesh out the whole story.

[@Insidious_Rage]

Yeah they did plan a missing scenes release but the assholes who run storage let the film get ruined

[@jamesspinner7764]

@Rich Smith to be brutally honest, for better or worse, the Deepest parts of our brains are now and have always been Poronographic.

[@spartanhawk7637]

I absolutely love this film. Beyond being just a good horror movie, it's genuinely compelling to watch, makes you ask questions you don't really want answered, and it has some legendary screams. It works as a really good explanation for the dangers of warp travel in Warhammer to boot. It's basically how I was introduced to the concept of gellar fields.

[@barcali89]

My favorite combo on the interweb. The Drinker and Ct Dankula. It's been too long 🍻

[@MrBeac0035]

The best accidental warhammer movie ever made.

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Pertwee was great. I loved him in dog soldiers and equilibrium too..great voice for the role

[@jaykekeola]

Drinker needs more of Scottsmen around him. His accent comes out full force!

[@leipzigergnom]

After seeing just a glimpse of what happened to the Event Horizon's original crew, I feel like the Imperium of Man and the Inquisition are totally justified with their methods of cleansing the world of Chaos

[@riphopfer5816]

Having seen it ~60 times, I can verify that everything in the trailer took place in the film.

[@TheOtherBradBird]

Sam Neil's moan-scream feels authentic. Realization + Trauma + Terror It sounds like the vocalization of despair.

[@rockwelltn1637]

I never get tired of hearing folks talk about this awesome movie!

[@ezlmonqzy9650]

When did you first watch it ?

[@NefariousKoel]

Due to constantly working around this time in the '90s, and out socially progressing my cirrhosis in what little sleepless free time I had, I didn't see Event Horizon until it came on cable late one night. Even better, I saw it practically at the same time as 'In The Mouth Of Madness' and 'Lord Of Illusions' within a very short period of time. Great horror movies I should've watched in the theaters, but repeatedly enjoyed afterward. I tend to link those three together in some self-created mid '90s horror trend which was short lived but I greatly enjoyed.

[@GrowlieDave]

I read the other day that the core was supposedly meant just to be the large black mirrored sphere, but they added the interlocking circles and patterns were added to give it a hellraiser / pinhead vibe. I love this so much

[@MediumRareOpinions]

that sounds like how it might have looked when they built it, how it appears in the film is what going to hell turned it into

[@formdoggie5]

One of the very, very, very, very few movies that gets space horror right. Seeing Sam Neil in this after how "nice" he generally was in all his other roles was also a welcome juxtaposition, to say the least. Very Robin Williams in One hour Photo-esque.

[@vanhopecomedy]

"I have such wonderful things to show you." Thank you for this stream, Drinker!

[@alexanderphilip1809]

I love this film and was shocked to learn that it wasn't a hit. This and Pandorum are few of my favorites.

[@Breadking100]

I was 16 when I saw Event Horizon in theatre. I smoked a fat joint beforehand and was so hyped on it being marketed as the scariest movie ever I was full on bad tripping during the opening credits. Needless to say I went back and repeated that exercise 5 times in the theater (tied for the record of movie Ive seen most times in theater ... the other was The 5th Element, which came out the same year)

[@johnk.7523]

A blunt is a necessity in order for me to sit in a theater.

[@Lifebydeath]

That’s why movies are so much better at home when you smoke bud lol. A joint before, during , during and after 😂

[@princeofruins3287]

I love that scream. It was like he was shocked but still in disbelief.

[@aabenhus]

Such a great movie. Looking forward to hear you talk about it.

[@quackhouseproductions5572]

Animals of farthing wood, the scene where the animals are crossing the busy road and they’re yelling “don’t curl in to a ball” at the hedgehog couple… the hedgehog curled in to a ball. Childhood!

[@Stevo_YouTube]

Thanks for the traumatic flashback!

[@schaddenkorp6977]

Nah the baby mice impaled on those thorns by the Shrike was far worse - they actually showed that!

[@jesselucian106]

When you guys were talking about those rare moments in horror movies where a character actually leave before anything bad happens, that reminded me of this one movie called the Mausoleum(I think) that I saw, which was made in like, the late 70s or early 80s I think about this woman who was possessed all the way back in childhood after her mom died at an early age and she’d kinda just sleep with guys behind her husbands back and kill them in gruesome ways. But there was one old black maid with an attitude who was supposed to look after her in that movie who immediately saw some unnatural spooky shit in the hallway leading over to her room, some fog rolling along the floor, so she goes back down stairs and says “great googly moogly! I haven’t drank in a long time but I’m gonna need somethin to drink before I handle this!” And she just takes a swig of wine or something. Then when she walks back up to the ladies room, she just pokes her head in to see her in her bed possessed and she’s like “AW HELL NAW!” And leaves lmfao. She was the smartest character in the whole god damn movie, she was easily my favorite character in the movie and she was only on screen for less than 5 minutes!

[@joeyaube1087]

The best unofficial Warhammer 40k prequel movie ever !!!!

[@paulfry3221]

There are no rules to the warp. It can be whatever terror is in your heart. Pray for the emperor's protection.

[@anthonydavis4957]

Crit & the Count back together- Awesome 💫💯

[@dirtyfunkymonkey]

Went to the cinema with a couple of mates to see this one night. Not really knowing what we were going to see. We woulda been 16 / 17 years old. We are all too scared to walk home alone after watching it! - Really visceral, haunting film. The idea that hell exists and that the ship had been there was a freaky one.

[@danielbruning1213]

I thought this movie was excellent and I also thank it. I saw this in the movies with my first real girlfriend when I was 16. It was our first date and it definitely helped the young, nervous young man that I was at the time, get my date to hold onto me for the first time. It absolutely terrified her and it absolutely made my night having her hold onto me the entire film. Needless to say, we were bonded after it was over and I wasn't so nervous about things so much anymore. We ended up going to the prom together a couple years later. What a movie! 🍿

[@anthonydavis4957]

Thanks!

[@LokiTricksterG]

The band Zao named an album after this movie which includes numerous audio samples throughout. I only know this because my friend in high school was obsessed with the band and tried to get me to listen to them constantly. I have to admit, the samples sound pretty cool juxtaposed with the music.

[@Requiem4u]

The song "Black Hole Hell" by F.K.Ü. is also about Event Horizon.

[@hoagiemacintosh781]

“Oh well I don’t care if I get demonetized” *Edits the segment out*

[@Soulwrite7]

Watching this steam made me want to re-listen to The All Guardsman Party. About a bunch of guardsman in 40K onboard their aptly named ship The Occurrence Boarder.

[@chrispalmer9838]

Bit of trivia. John Carpenter's "Ghosts of Mars" was originally intended to be a third Snake Plissken film...

[@sigmacademy]

48:27. I doubt that you would need to set EVERY single charge - you would just need to arm a couple of self destruct charges and start a chain reaction. Remember, the Event Horizon was a pretty big ship, and you would need a big enough explosion to sever the front and aft parts of the ship, preferably at a weak point on the ship structure or a stress point on the ship's design where the front and aft parts come together and where it would be the easiest to separate the two parts.

[@ryanrandall8883]

Last time seeing CountDankula was on Drinkers first open bar, proper made me laugh that guy! So happy to see him again and with just the drinker and laughing at there conversations! 🤣

[@skill14]

First rated R film I ever saw in theaters. I was 9. Was scared shitless and loved every second of it

[@mknightshaman3636]

There's a nice little detail on Sam Neil's uniform, the Union Jack on the Australian flag is replaced with the Aboriginal flag (we were talking about doing that in the 90's).

[@cannibalholocaust3015]

Absolutely cringe

[@mknightshaman3636]

@@cannibalholocaust3015 LOL maybe but I'll take that over a 5 minute lecture about how we need to do better

[@Kernwadi]

A foolish man complains about his torn pocket. A wise man uses it to scratch his nuts.

[@marccreation1052]

I first saw Event Horizon on the second day of Heroin withdrawal. Amped it up to 22. But even without that a good horror movie.

[@sylviarogier1]

Where we're going you won't need eyes to see . . . Love this movie. Seen it so many times!!

[@malphadour]

To this day this is still one of the few genuine scary films made - and great sci fi - very close to Alien. I had the joy of seeing this in a very early THX cinema, and the use of sound was like nothing I had ever experienced before. The scene where Sam Neill is walking around and the shutter opened - never seen so many people in a cinema shit themselves - it was awesome. If you haven't experienced this film in surround sound you need to make it happens - it makes everything twice as good, twice as scary - and there are so many sounds that happen behind it it is really unnerving - extremely cleverly done.

[@badunius_code]

Finally! Now I remember the name of this film! Oh thank you thank you thank you!

[@chrismiranda931]

Man, this movie messed me up and I absolutely loved it. 12 years old. Only mom, me, and another random guy in the theatre and my mom FALLS ASLEEP. Outstanding

[@trompell0]

Dude women have the worst attention span with films. Unless its the Notebook or something.

[@ajl8975]

Fear of the unknown. Your mind will always fill in the blanks with the most terrifying thing you can possibly think of.

[@superspecky4eyes]

I love the concept of this film. The possibility that hard technology could be pushed to the point where it blurs the line between science and religion/magic really creeps me out. I don't normally find the supernatural very compelling but that little hook really draws me in.

[@successful814]

Contact me for your reward 😇🥳

[@friskyjesus]

Had a rewatch of this gem two nights ago! One of my all time horror favorites!

[@Kernwadi]

A wise man once said; “the smaller the breasts, the closer you are to their hearts!” A wiser man once said; “bigger breasts are the expansion of the heart!” And the wisest man once said; “you must cherish the entire woman, as she’s the only doorway to her heart!”

[@Kernwadi]

And the God said; "I like feet."

[@Soridan]

"Do not fist android girls" ~Jimmy One-Hand

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

And the satisfied man said: You can have her heart, I just wanted that ass.

[@RohanSpartin]

@@Soridan "You give up a few things, chasing a dream." John Silver, Treasure Planet.

[@anthonymcgrath]

i didn't work on Event Horizon - i was midway through my degree. But i did get to work on 2007 Sunshine movie - i animated all the motion graphics around the various sets like the cockpit, the O2 room, sun room etc etc - good fun and some fun stories on that film like Chris Evans getting so buff midway through training they had to stick him on a crash diet because the shot continuity didn't match lol. And they used the good-laff chef as a stunt double after shaving his hair lol *edit* - lol just realised you mentioned Sunshine 10 mins later hehe and yes Alien Isolation is a f**king perfect game!!! The Working Joe's are so good and the whole game just oozes atmosphere and tension. I'm midway through it for the 2nd time.

[@Greymalkin-]

Sunshine is such a brilliant and imo horrifically underrated film. The animation you worked on was amazing. Well done, mate.

[@stephenmosack4496]

11:00 regarding the cgi looking bad… turn the resolution on you tele down. Most movies actually look worse on the highest res because they weren’t meant to be viewed that way. They were meant for projectors and even the newest theatres don’t have ultra hd

[@cavey92347284life20]

Still one of my favorite movies though haven't seen it in a while. It's a part of my Die hard and Alien collection that I rewatch ever so often

[@davidgannon5388]

18:10 - I made the mistake of freeze-framing through those images. I wish I'd never done it. There really are things you cannot unsee...

[@ScipioAfricanusI]

The design of the Event Horizon ship, built around a long corridor, reminded me of the Cygnus from Disney's The Black Hole.

[@MultiMokk]

if I belive a crazy theory on the internet it will be the one that the ship event horizon was the first ship to reach the warp in warhammer 40k univers

[@Frost-yw9sz]

I remember in 97, that movie scared the shit out of me as a kid. I was the one who chose it at the movie rental place lol. I didn't even finish it back then. Took some years for me to get to watch it again with older eyes.

[@natedoherty3462]

Critical Drinker, I am fan of several podcasts. Ranging in a wide variety of topics. But I must say, finding your videos was a pleasant surprise. Your videos are very down to earth. In today's world of so much media it's nice to find a surprise, interesting discussion.

[@SheldonAdama17]

Ah yes, the movie which gave us THAT Sam Neill scream… you really should use it more!

[@greenmachine6638]

On the subject of the corridor, perhaps there was supposed to be a tram of some kind? But it wasn't working, etc.

[@andrewcardenas1314]

Corridor was only 30 feet long so they employed giant mirrors to expand the corridor and set.

[@greenmachine6638]

Saw it in the theatre when it was released. Still probably my favorite movie ever. Damn shame all the extra footage was lost.

[@leonfizer1974]

Can we admit Sam Neil has some of the best movie screams ever? 😆

[@grimmwolf9690]

There was nother movie that came out around the same time called sphere. I think it had Sharon stone in it. creeped me out, but i was young at the time.

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

I would like to see a director's extended cut of Event Horizon!

[@JCTheSniper15]

As an American with scottish heritage, I do walk down the street in a kilt from time to time and you definitely get some looks lol

[@TheSlysterII]

Great video, thank you both.

[@austintoal3132]

“OooOOOOooaaaAAAAAAHHHH” - Sam Neil, 1997 Easily one of my favorite sci-fi movies period, right up there with Alien. Different tones and reasons to love it, but they both stuck right away

[@riphopfer5816]

I love this film.

[@davidgannon5388]

1:34:00 - "Threads" sounds a lot like the American TV movie, "The Day After," which aired a year before Threads.Thread's. It aired within a week of Thanksgiving!

[@davekenny8774]

I went to the cinema to see this film when it came out and it was great!

[@davidgannon5388]

Back when I was buying my DVDs at Best Buy, I always shook my damn head every time I saw "Event Horizon" in the "Sci-Fi" section, instead of "Horror."

[@IuliusPsicofactum]

I watched this movie at noon on a Monday in an empty cinema all by myself when it came out and I was a teenager. Damn. Hahaha

[@angryginger791]

I'm not generally a fan of reboots or remakes, but I'd love to see the original director's vision for this movie. Even if they did an animated version. It sounds so good. Such a shame it was lost.

[@latexzebra5693]

Haha. Mad you're talking about watching Alien with the kids. I just started watching it with my Son. He bailed halfway through, said can we watch the rest tomorrow!

[@Hreimr]

I was in awe of the movie when I saw it back in the day - and I was scared absolutely crapless. Epic movie :)

[@sigmacademy]

It's absolutely CRIMINAL that a sequel or prequel was never made. :/

[@sheldonwheaton881]

Went to see it at the early showing, liked it so much I saw the late show too!

[@angriimann8349]

I get asked to give a star rating to more than a few videos I've watched. I also gave this video five stars. Entertaining. I also only watched half.

[@hivebrain]

The original negatives were ruined, but what about the copy sent for test screening?