"Women Are Nests of Evil!" - The Buddha

[@kevindole1284]

I suspect author of that phrase, regardless if it was the buddha or a later editor, was a male renunciant who was struggling with completely normal sexual desire and blaming the objects of his desire for his struggle.

[@willmosse3684]

Yes, something like that was presumably going on

[@willmosse3684]

This sounds like it was written by someone who fancied a girl who went off with another guy so he ran away to become a monk 😂

[@AscendingGuru]

Welp.... Lots of such stories tho. Like, that would be better. The popular kids don't need a saviour.

[@BioVisier]

He sounds like a guy that knows women.

[@willmosse3684]

@@BioVisier Errrr, no he doesn’t. Neither do you

[@kojinmaster]

​@@willmosse3684what about Arthur Schopenhauer

[@airbound1779]

“Hm, women.” -Buddha

[@THUGGO773]

One is obviously superior to the other, one creates the other consumes.

[@Bw4555i]

Who they created??????

[@alpiffero]

ACKCHUALLY, even in European Middle Ages the sexual stigma came exactly reversed - the (general, limited, not universal) idea was that men were inclined to reason, comraderie and speculation, and then women would come and drag them down with their insatiable lust; I heard it some years ago by fundamentalist Catholics too (whom in Italy are not so hard to find)

[@brc123321]

Europen middle age was shaped by Christianity, an Abrahamic religion born in middle east. What else did you expect ?

[@lightworker2956]

While obviously it doesn't make women inferior and obviously women have more interests than sex, I do think the average woman has a higher libido than the average man, IF she with a partner she's genuinely attracted to. Most modern women simply aren't with men they're that attracted to, which is where the idea comes from that women don't like sex much.

[@awakenow7147]

I tend to concur with your non-literalist take. I wonder if its possible that there are some very ancient traces of Vedanta within this part of the Buddhist canon: the idea that woman(Shakti/Prakriti) is the "receiver" of energy from Shiva. Shakti requires the energy of Shiva to energize her world. This energy keeps the cycle of life and death going. It can almost seem like Shakti's desire and hunger for life is insatiable. From my understanding of things, the most ardent followers of Shiva want to cut off this energy flow to Shakti...as it gives life to the cycle of reincarnation, and therefore the suffering of all beings. It isn't so much about actual physical gender, but more about cosmic archetypes. A man or woman who is on the path of Shiva can escape the clutches of Shakti, and be free. Hence, becoming a true "man" and rejecting the hunger of the "woman". A true "man"(Shiva)isn't beholden to life's unending desires, but a "woman"(Shakti) is. Before anyone points this out, I want to make it clear that not all Vedanta followers believe this; only a small group of them do. But it seems that this small groups has a significant amount in common with Buddhists.

[@AirSandFire]

Buddha said "Women Are Nests of Evil"? Based.

[@sardonic_smile_8752]

"When the devil cant do it he sends a woman. Polish Proverb

[@GodUranus]

polska gurom ! :D

[@Tomas33392]

Shitty proverb.

[@n-xsta]

😂😂😂

[@sardonic_smile_8752]

@@Tomas33392 shifty response

[@seane.9937]

Sounds true to me.

[@robertyorga]

Thanks for opening a can of worms at the dinner table….

[@n-xsta]

😂😂😂

[@Meoooweww]

😂😂😂😂 that's a keeper.

[@grafinvonhohenembs]

Silly how things work out sometimes. On my search, I ran into too many Buddhist literalists, which helped lead me to Advaita Vedanta. XD But I still definitely like dropping in to see how Buddhism is doing every now and then. Buddhism and Advaita have so much in common. 🙏

[@Meoooweww]

Oldest story about Siddhartha Buddha is that he impregnated his wife on the night he left for renunciation so his people would not think he was gay. The more popular story is that his son had already been born by the time he ran off, many scholars say the first story is the original.

[@saraswati999]

The fact Buddha sad it well makes you wonder lol no wonder Green Tara came to the picture swiftly in Tibet

[@RaptorSeer]

Thanks, I've been looking for that passage for a while now. Seems that, no matter which religion, people are gonna choose their own beliefs and the texts to back them up are always there to be found. P and not P

[@AliceBowie]

The Buddha taught different things to different people based on what they needed to hear. Other people got the teaching that denigrating women broke all of you vows. (But actually he never said anything, people just heard teachings they needed. That's why everyone heard the Buddha speaking in their language at the same time.)

[@praveenb9048]

"Carnal sport with a woman...." -- The Maha Perineum Wanna

[@praveenb9048]

Fun fact -- the "pari" and "peri" prefixes are cousins in the Indo-European language family.

[@Jigokucake-lg1xj]

Just wanted to add my own two cents to this, because I feel that it's a complex and fascinating topic! The framework by the Tiantai school in China placed the Lotus Sutra as the most authoritative scripture, as it claims to be the sutra which "casts off" expedient means and gives the most profound doctrine (it does still employ expedient means, but that goes into more complex doctrinal stuff). Because of this, all other scriptures would have been necessarily viewed through this analytical lens of "expedient means," i.e. they were teachings given to specific beings with specific capacities and proclivities. This is the framework that was passed on to the Tendai school in Japan and, as a result, to the Kamakura schools which split off from Tendai (although the Pure Land schools view the larger Amida Sutra as the true teaching for the latter age, but that’s a whole other can of worms). Dogen, who was originally trained under Tendai, would have almost certainly learned about this as well. The Lotus Sutra illustrates the capacity for women to become enlightened via the story of the Dragon King’s daughter, who offers a priceless pearl to Shakyamuni Buddha and subsequently attains awakening, becoming a Buddha herself (and shocking the whole assembly in the process). The Dragon King’s daughter was both female and non-human, showing the universality of Buddha-nature. If the Lotus Sutra is taken as authoritative, this is the final say in the matter. While the Nirvana Sutra is placed in the same “period” of teaching under the Tendai organizational framework, it is still subject to the lens of expedient means and, in fact, tells us this directly in the text itself. I recall you did a video on the Buddhist notions of “the self” and read a parable from the Nirvana Sutra explaining the Buddha’s reasoning in this (the milk medicine one). I believe that this particular passage regarding women is used in the same way as the “self.” Many in his assembly already hold the view that they wish to be born as a “man” in the next life. Here, the Buddha subverts that notion by claiming that they can attain this same status as a "man" simply by accepting and understanding the doctrines he has laid out. A metaphor for this strategy can be read in the Lotus Sutra, where a father rescues his children from a burning house by telling them that their “toys” are outside. The “toys” represent things that are of no importance to an enlightened being, but are given high value by the ignorant. In this particular instance, the Buddha is using gender distinction, something that a Buddha would normally view as empty. Also iirc the texts That Dogen viewed as possibly being apocryphal were the Shurangama and Perfect Enlightenment Sutras. And, I will go and watch your music video now, so please don't be sad face emoji!!!!

[@MrCakes-v7w]

"Women stop you doing stuff." ~My mate Eric.

[@marcmccamey8204]

Misogyny, hatred of the body, and patriarchy are endemic to all the axial religions, especially within monastic settings of celibate monks. Men project the fear of their own sexual desires onto women. Repression leads to projection. The Buddha was not exempt from the religious conditioning of this view. Enlightenment doesn’t necessarily challenge those deeply held beliefs of the period or the unconscious mechanisms of projection

[@HardcoreZen]

Sure. But the chances that the historical person we call "The Buddha" said anything that's attributed to him in the Mahyana Sutras is pretty slim.

[@kojinmaster]

What is enlighenment? Isnt that some god level interlect?

[@MrCakes-v7w]

No, it's when you fully let go of all the crap and stop letting it drive you around and you break through to the peace beyond your incessant thinking. Nibanna - "blowing out"

[@proulxmontpellier]

There was this Thai physician who, when he decided to be a monk (Theravada) for some time, used the time to make a medico-legal study of the death of the Buddha. He states in his article that the four various Maha Parinirvana Sutras extant have one common basis, in which the Buddha complains of his being old and tired and sick, but where each has its own kind of miraculous interpolations in it. Which induces me to think that, the Old Man barely dead, some immediately started to phantasise about his miraculous powers, each sect in its own specific manner. And that brahmins who would have adhered to the order because of the prestige of the Buddha himself, would have felt frustrated to have to share it with untouchables, workers, and worst of all, (shudder) women!

[@paszTube]

Hi Brad, your videos appear in my youtube feed, but I don’t recall seeing the thumb of the music video. Is it the algo or perhaps some setting on the video?

[@jonschmitt232]

Women, can't live with them, pass the beer nuts. Norm

[@danielhopkins296]

It is interesting to note that the Lotus sutra Dragon King's daughter Sagara changes her sex to a male just to provoke the male diaciples before changing back to her original sex. The meaning became misogynistic when transferred to the Gmostic Christian sex change from female only to male in Gospels like Thomas

[@danwilkinson2797]

We have access to the same library and operating hardware the Buddha used although it is often helpful to have a copy.

[@wiemiromarsoichdir5516]

It's just about cell division by which you exist - if you insist on digging deeper you will meet nothingness - Welcome!

[@blackcatlullaby]

Wait, what’s that mean in relation to this video?

[@wiemiromarsoichdir5516]

@@blackcatlullaby Quite simply that the moon aka women is the principle of fertility and reproduction vs the solar principle of oneness. The more we get the more doubt is spread - and doubt is the origin of evil.

[@jcool971]

Nirvana in pali means coolness or cooling the passions is what a heard from an old theraveda monk that that was the original definition of Nirvana . Like the videos tho keep rockin'

[@Antonio_Egea]

I think this could be similar but much more extreme to the one from Dogen where he says that if you are a lay practitioner you are going nowhere. Like a means to encourage a bunch of sweaty and hormone-controlled teenagers. Is like Muslims covering women maybe.

[@Aldarinn]

Hi Brad. I'd like your view on Ian Stevenson's work on Rebirth. Please consider looking into it. You are amazing as always.

[@michellebrown9090]

Glad to see Ziggy, he's awesome.

[@Being_Joe]

All the evil things I have do were for women

[@matthewmarkjohnson]

My feeling is that this was written at a time when it would have been MUCH better to have been born a man...

[@HardcoreZen]

@@matthewmarkjohnson Probably.

[@sheepanddog4825]

what a twist...

[@jcool971]

Look at the Hebrew tradition and how your not Adam or "human" or "man" if you don't practice Torah. Man vs "men"

[@sys9208]

What's wrong in it?

[@joeg3950]

Viva Ziggy!!

So was the Buddha as misogynistic as Aristotle? 💙

[@HardcoreZen]

Someone was. Probably not the Buddha.

[@killerkamali]

buddh prob went gay like many yogi

[@jasonleachman933]

JC SuperStar. Nice1.😂 I've seen from exp that men and women alike Can have insatiable lust. Biology may vary slightly? But compulsion, desire (lust specifically), greed (self-centeredness), and delusion I feel are not sex-dependant at all, this mental disposition is not a result of biology.

[@andreib2202]

nice

[@LiberLam]

This is so telling of the mediocrity of zen new age secularism lol. No further comment

[@HardcoreZen]

@@LiberLam I don’t understand.

[@LiberLam]

@@HardcoreZen physiognomy moment

[@jamesandrews8698]

I d9nt really understand either and I know what phisiognomy is lol

[@jamesandrews8698]

Wait, are you calling zen beta? Lmao

[@LiberLam]

@jamesandrews8698 No, I called it secular and new age. My comment about physiognomy is a take it or leave it thing. If you think he looks beta, then that's your deal. All I implied is he looks like a type of person. If you prodded me on it, I'd say it's a skeptical materialist sort of look because buddhism isnt about getting the ladies, but I can see why you would say that. Coming from a more orthodox perspective, I find the kinds of authority that zen Buddhists appeal to to be a lack of faith in the triple gem. Zen Buddhists don't explicitly reject the triple gem, though, which I why it's not worth getting into. They would implore that there's different but valid approaches to faith in which a person doesn't abandon their battle for superior views in favor of the training.

[@syberchick70]

"Nest of evil"... 😂

[@andrewcullen7671]

Interesting how the theology of returning is used (over and over and over) to justify hierarchies, even in the minds of people who claim to abide in equanimity. I feel like this is a record of a Buddha who is speaking temporarily without wisdom or vision, and was not, at the time of this speech, enlightened. Some Buddhas are probably of a higher proof.

[@soma_182]

The passage he read is not present in the Pali version of the sutta, which is much older than the Mahayana version he is reading, so I'm going to go with that the Buddha (most likely) didn't say this and it was added in a later Mahayana school. it definitely seems... out of place from anything else I've read in the Pali suttas.

[@elzoog]

Hierarchies are natural because some people are simply better at certain things than other people. Some people are better at mechanics (as an example) than others. Some people are better leaders than other people. This is necessary because we are limited beings. It takes A LOT of effort to become a good mechanic and if you spend that much effort, you aren't going to have anything left over to become a good doctor, or a good computer programmer. The fact that pretty much ALL societies are patriarchal to one degree or another tells you something.

[@Perceval777]

You say it as if the word "hierarchy" itself is something bad... Hierarchies are one of the most natural things in this world. They can be good or bad, spiritual or corrupt, competent or incompetent. Buddhism has a vast hierarchical system - Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, Gandharvas, Devas, etc. The enlightened and unenlightened. When you go to a temple as a novice, you are not the equal of the experienced master who teaches you meditation. If someone thinks he is, what big ego he must have... You can check out Traditionalism, authors like Rene Guenon and Ananda Coomaraswamy - they've written extensively on the topic. There is no such thing as equality in ancient, traditional, authentic spirituality, including Buddhism, at least not in the modern sense. Even modern political ideologies like socialism and progressive liberalism simply replace one hierarchy with another one (and a definitely more unjust and incompetent one at that, if we look at both historical and modern-day examples).

[@MikkoAPenttila]

Another win for women!👍

[@Useruser-x2i]

Literalists are ocd types hypocrites, memorised scriptures like a robot mechanical, lacking true life and actions ( karma) , they may appear very showy with their preaching or learnt phds or theologies … all of them are the spoken Taos. If Tao is spoken then its false if its claimed or labelled as mine then its false. Only a child like innocent heart has tao yet hes unknown divine and never claimed because he has less or no ego. Tao also doesnt ignore evils and such actions but fight with truth by being truthful like a warrior. For this a man must be very mind ful and metacognizant in observing oneself seeing where we are failing , brutally honest to oneself. Such men are rare but trillions and gurus speak pf philosophies and gospels . A man who has not have inner light within is not a truthful body and mind so he is only a talker of Tao yet the talk is false diluted distorted and personalised. Most religious people benchmark their devotion or spiritual growth by picking on others and shaming them. They never see inside of their own. This then is a spiritual ego and sign of. evil in sheeps clothes. True spirituality is for man who has inner light within , not having Buddha, enlightenment, emptiness, knowledge, yoga, gods , scriptures etc. Be truthful!

[@taketheredpill1452]

woke beta. you need some jesse lee peterson and I'm not even religious

[@cj548]

Men are good ,w are bad. Men are spiritual, w are worldly.

[@seane.9937]

Mgtow forever.

[@cj548]

@@seane.9937 Mgtow is the light, the truth, the way

[@seane.9937]

@@cj548 it's been a blessing for me dear brother. From my mother, to GFriends, to aquintances they have all been selfish, materialistic, unloving nightmares. Other than my sister, all have been this way. There are plenty of white knights on here that will post their BS including the author of this vid. God's love and goodness always

[@jamesandrews8698]

Found the incels! What do I win?

[@seane.9937]

@@jamesandrews8698 found the white knight, I'll just pity him in his ignorance.

[@gojuglen]

If you read any ancient religious scriptures literally, looking for nothing but love and wisdom, in the sense of how we think of those things today, you will be very disappointed. I know I was. The bible, the Buddhist text, all have good and bad things in them. You have to be a kind of pragmatist.

[@HamasPringles]

Or realize you live in an exceptionally sheltered world built by people who weren't, and have more complete understanding of these things.

[@chadkline4268]

So, you broke up with your gf? 😊 Jk. Haven't listened yet. It is truth in the sense that they are the nests of sensuality. That's why i say marriages (and law) only work when wives are the private property of the husband.

[@junglie]

all property is theft.....

[@chadkline4268]

@@junglie no, that can't work. That is primitive life and it is too weak to sustain itself against the population densities of agrarian life. That view has no practical application in the material universe. Property is a result of our labor, and things we trade such for. Nobody wants others to destroy the fruits of their labor. To argue otherwise is to argue for any+all evils.

[@swamification]

#buddhatoo

[@alecmisra4964]

You are not understanding what was said.

[@HardcoreZen]

@@alecmisra4964 please explain.

[@Aldarinn]

If the Buddha as a person does not live up to your expectations, that does not falsify Buddhism or Zen. In fact, there's a koan- "If you meet the Buddha, kill him". The ideas are important bridges to nirvana. People don't matter. Then when you reach nirvana, èven the ideas and concepts no longer matter.

[@HeikkiLiitoksia]

more

[@edewolf1827]

Out of 6000 sports with official competitions, women only dominate in five sports (for example synchronized swimming). But let's keep our eyes shut hard before reality. Are adults and children equal too, hmm?

[@HardcoreZen]

@@edewolf1827 This is not about sports.

[@edewolf1827]

@@HardcoreZen I know - it's about "There is no difference between men and women..."

[@HardcoreZen]

@@edewolf1827 Dogen says that in relation to the capacity to realize the Truth. Obviously there are differences between men and women is many areas. But not that one.

[@Aldarinn]

You, my friend, are keeping a safe distance from enlightenment 😅

[@edewolf1827]

@@Aldarinn But not from the truth...

[@Jazzdumpling]

Bullshit

[@metatron3942]

These texts were edited many times throughout history depending any reflect views and politics of those communities. We can date some of the authors because of the beliefs and textual Clues.