HardLore: The Hardest Hardcore Band of All Time

[@themellofellow]

You know it’s gonna be a controversial video when Colin’s wearing sleeves and Bo isn’t.

[@dylansmarr3254]

I like to imagine that Taylor is just always wandering around his house waiting for the call.

[@srsucioguapodelsur8845]

He’s 100% doing the Tarantino “looking at random objects” meme

[@quinceymorris7942]

Shattered Realm not mentioned is criminal

[@tzmkira002]

When it comes to Cold As Life and All Out War and their intentions, I'd argue that even though All Out War aimed to write the hardest possible music, while Cold As Life just wrote what they thought was cool, Cold As Life's approach is actually harder. To me, it shows that Cold As Life didn't need to try to write the hardest music; they just naturally did it. The fact that they didn't have the intention to do that adds to the hardness

[@deadlydoodlestx]

great point tbh

[@justingorney2545]

Great argument

[@JJAnselmi]

Great points here. Natural hardness (regular human arousal/God's bounty) will always be superior to forced hardness (ED pills, etc.). Like, I can always tell in the frickin' videos when them dudes been chewing dick pills like scrambled eggs. The erection has a weird plastic quality. Kinda hard to really quantify, but I guess you just know authenticity when you see it.

[@JJAnselmi]

Yes, really really nice points. Natural hardness (regular human arousal/God's bounty) will always be superior to forced hardness (ED pills, etc). Like, I can always tell in the frickin' videos when them dudes been chewing Viagra like scrambled eggs. There's always a weird plastic quality to the wood. Kinda hard to really quantify, but I guess authenticity just shines through.

[@tzmkira002]

@@JJAnselmi exactly, you get it

[@I_WALKED_IN_ON_IT]

Honorable mention the entire H8000/Edge Metal scene. Slayer riffs written specifically for spinkicks is one of the hardest things ever.

[@bananaclipper7692]

not mentioned enough in general

[@WarchildAD]

Literally so many hard bands from Europe that are completely forgotten about. Drowning (france), Reprisal and Sentence (italy), Length of Time (belgium) and so much more. Underrated bands.

[@pivoinelafflorist1618]

can you give me the timestamp about that?

[@WarchildAD]

There's practically no mention of euro core other than Kickback unfortunately​@@pivoinelafflorist1618

[@vso5189]

ARKANGEL

[@senju2268]

Kickback losing to hatebreed is wild, kickbacks music is pure violence from start to finish

[@raymondhebert9049]

No shattered realm was really so wild

[@HoldenSXE]

I still can’t believe TUI won over biohazard

[@MarkDaniels2787]

The entire thing is incredibly difficult

[@fortifiedhc]

Stupid shit......

[@craigdobson9068]

Biohazard are hands down the hardest of the two

[@obi_tom_kenobi]

I saw 100 Demons open for Hatebreed in connecticut and i can confirm that room was scarier than any other show ive been to.

[@justingorney2545]

Sounds like a terrifying show

[@rileyknox6147]

bo! stop folding immediately when colin gives you push back!

[@rossapotimusyo9635]

Kicked him, now he scared

[@bazzyblack5895]

I think it’s cause Colin is super argumentative and Bo knows they’ll just be going in circles if he does combat him

[@hansdado]

he's egoless like kirk

[@Mikel209]

When Bo actually gets to talk lol Colin interrupts him every time he talks

[@ianmontesinos1001]

@@hansdadodead

[@dillondruggz]

Built Upon Frustration and Bulldoze losing in the 1st round should be a crime

[@finneganodonnell7074]

Feels so good to get some BUF recognition

[@mrslvllk]

when in doubt, imagine the pair covering each other - which band would make the other band's songs harder

[@JJAnselmi]

Holy fuck, should we hop on a private call?

[@adrianybanezmercado6538]

who up holying their blade

[@Krusade36]

This the one 💪

[@justingorney2545]

Hahahaha

[@willemlenders8272]

These match ups are so much fun! Hardest band for me will always be Kickback. Maybe I'm biased because I'm European. I remember them announcing No surrender and hoped for an even sicker and filthier record than 150 passions and they delivered beyond expectation. As an honorable mention World of Pain should be mentioned.

[@xkingofnuthinx]

True, Kickback is number 1 One life crew was great as well.

[@bananaclipper7692]

kinda surprised Donnybrook didn’t make the list. some of the scariest pits back in the day

[@eyes5881]

krutch and billyclub not being on this bracket is a crime

[@gggallin8279]

also swear to god, no retreat and regression

[@sickfitz4256]

Sick pfp, also BCS fucking rules

[@lucpohly7247]

@@gggallin8279and hoods

[@beemaster666]

@@eyes5881 Krutch Where you at demo. One of my first demos

[@sebfont134]

@@gggallin8279 fr they got built upon but not no retreat or STG smh

[@thehalfnerd2221]

Striking Bo’s comment about ‘sustained’ from the record

[@jeremydepace5810]

Enemy Mind little slept on. Would have them over like 6 of these for “hardest”

[@tylerjodeblock1224]

I second this...

[@dietcoke_zilla334]

@@jeremydepace5810 Enemy Mind, World of Pain, Cold Hard Truth. The holy trinity of hardness.

[@dietcoke_zilla334]

Honestly dude Enemy Mind is harder than Bulldoze 🤷‍♂️

[@tbtstt]

Agree that Enemy Mind and Cold Hard Truth​ should definitely be there @@dietcoke_zilla334!

[@ryanodonnell358]

Big up knuckledust and ukhc! Stampin ground should be on there too

[@tbtstt]

Cold Hard Truth should be there as well: great to see Knuckledust make the short list though (they should have beaten Terror!)

[@craigdobson9068]

​@tbtstt Cold Hard Truth are one of the hardest out there and stand out massively in the heavy hardcore/beat down world. I've played with CHT twice and their performances are amazing, literally seen jaws broken in their pits!

[@tbtstt]

I have seen them quite a few times now @@craigdobson9068 and they have definitely got some of the rowdiest pits I've seen!

[@mauricedcvd]

For me personally this would've been an All Out War vs Kickback finals. Where Kickback would've been the winners.

[@jvallely_]

It’s cold as life. BTLH feedback alone is the hardest thing ever recorded.

[@ryanko6]

Great job with this guys! My big 4 are Dying Breed, 100 Demons, Irate, Hatebreed - with All Out War a very honorable mention.

[@mindlessdirective]

TASTE THE STEEL mentioned. 2006 Demo is legendary.

[@Joan_feather]

Glaringly absent: Next Step Up, Mushmouth, No Retreat, Krutch, Dmize, LOA

[@thrasher5122]

No Retreat is being robbed

[@bubbaranger6975]

Next step up and no retreat 🔥🔥🔥

[@ChappySinclaire]

Colin says a grammy nomination is criteria for the hardest band?? That's ridiculous.

[@hfcounselling9815]

Such a good podcast. Love the structure of the arguments. I’m literally pausing and checking out the bands. I think considering the pit and live show is a good factor. Seeing hatebreed live was a game changer.

[@kaylonsinghurst]

How on Earth did Shattered Realm not make the cut?

[@BenBelty]

Taste the steel mention is legit.

[@CalebBort99]

@hardlore we need this with the modern day hardcore bands.

[@jordanmoran1983]

Hatebreed Vs Merauder was the Ultimate Warrior Vs Hulk Hogan of our generation. Some would say the Master Killer of face offs.

[@Mikel209]

What about HOODS, BURY YOUR DEAD, BACKTRACK, BANE! Missed out on hella others too. Also, I feel for Bo getting interrupted every time he talks lol. My wife does the same thing.

[@Vb98765]

Bane aren't hard 😂

[@Mikel209]

@@Vb98765 yea I guess you’re right lol, just personal favorites

[@theinvisiblemusic]

Hoods...yes

[@HEARDGERD]

Backtrack idk about hard, they bump into it often but I can't properly say competitive in hardness. Parts though, absolutely rippin parts though, they're up there. -Darker half whole song -Scratch the Past two step -Gutted intro -Every one of the key changes in One with you -All of Nailed to the Tracks I could keep going

[@timmares3378]

I’m just glad All out War got as far as they did. ❤

[@countralfus6408]

You guys have know idea about the lore of early All Out War shows, so many fights and mini riots. Nobody's pits in the Hudson Valley were as brutal.

[@bendman336]

Saw them three years ago and even with their age it was good violence all around

[@Trembletat2]

Really wish neglect was a part of this conversation

[@rhys5814]

no arkangel is criminal

[@senju2268]

Facts, can’t talk about kickback and not mention Arkangel

[@TheHighestOrderHO]

Bo’s shoulders digivolved into Boulders!

[@AboogieThaGoon]

This such a great episode and funny as hell! I will be in that pit for any of these bands,tomorrow with you bro 🫡……..no NAILS!? Is kind of crazy tho 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Lucas-ds3kb]

The one time I saw 100 Demons, the vibe was scary. Hung in the back. Hatebreed sets were intimidating but there was a more positive feelings in the crowd. Despite being dropped HARD immediately after jumping in lol

[@dannewstead4412]

Love seeing uk 🇬🇧 getting some love! Knuckdust are the kings of ukhc without a doubt and the individual members have been heavily involved in bringing HC to the uk since the early 90s - wether it’s putting on shows, running a label/distro (Rucktion records) or being in countless bands - those guy get so much respect 🫡 if you’ve not heard other bands the members of KD are in check out; ninebar, ironed out, bun dem out, borstal, beat down fury, and I believe the drummer is also in argy bargy 😊

[@johnlacoe2045]

50 Caliber LBU

[@dietcoke_zilla334]

The bassist for Grimlock, Matt, gave me my first tattoo! & in Maui Hawaii too! The hardest shit ever!!!!

[@ericm0ntana]

My pick didn’t win but I’m glad the dark horse was victorious. So many of us picked my winner but I think we can all be happy with who won. Cold As Life, 100 Demons, Merauder and Hatebreed but very honorable mentions to All Out War and Bulldoze. Leaving out Donnybrook and Sheer Terror was a choice.

[@charlesgratiot]

Bo, can't wait to see you with hatebreed in Portland baby. I was so stoked when I saw harms way on the bill. You guys are my new favorite pod keep it up. You've got a great chemistry and you're doing the Lord's work out here. Why isn't there a spin kick emoji.

[@MJM111977]

Great list gentlemen!!! Just feel like it isn’t complete without Mushmouth and Death Before Dishonor.

[@robertellis6180]

Shouldn't call a judge in if you aren't gonna give them the deciding vote, should have been biohazard

[@JohnEvans-xg2bp]

If The "Heaviest Band" bracket was fun and had so many obvious picks (we all knew who was the winner)...The "Hardest Band" bracket was so painful with so many near impossible matchups. So many incredible bands went out in the first round. Since Bo and Colin asked for top 4's... 1. All Out War 2. Madball 3. Merauder 4. Hatebreed

[@SergioCampos98]

honestly, maybe some of my favorite discussions so far. the matchups are so crazy you’re forced to break it down to a science

[@JohnEvans-xg2bp]

@@SergioCampos98 the one that absolutely killed me was Madball vs. Death Threat

[@RRgolf201]

Fury of 5 late 90’s was pure violence

[@ryyork]

Some notable mentions - Cold hard truth Blood in blood out First blood Unit 731 Shattered realm Enemy ground Arkangel

[@ameeliadanis2192]

Being straight edge wasn't hard that hard, but Earth Crisis made it hard.

[@scott42599]

My mom wants to know if you guys can upload daily instead of weekly

[@Nikescarkyle]

My lore is so hardened right now. Call that shit Kakuna

[@tyewallace4622]

Shocked that Blistered wasn’t on this list. From these bands, which are all amazing and hard as fuck, Kickback all day. Every single note built for violence.

[@xtimmyedgex3585]

I would have loved a state by state or year to year. So many bands over so many years

[@Jasperyeahhh]

LET'S GO. WHO'S THE HARDEST OF THE HARD? MAXIMUM CHUNGUS, NO EXCUSES.

[@FlowerxHead907]

Not related to this particular episode, but when y’all getting Nic Samayoa on the show? Would love hear some Forced Order stories

[@Landlord0fTheFilthy]

"If the two bands fought you know who's winning" - Lumpy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@corycourtney8923]

This episode was amazing just for the cameos alone.

[@brendenmcevoy8114]

Is there a significance to "1134"? Momentum also has a song titled 11:34?

[@proostdaantv]

its the most common combination of frets played on a guitar for hardcore type breakdowns.

[@sommelierofstench]

it’s hell backwards dawg

[@freetobewhoibe]

Where's Sick of it All?

[@HornOfGoat33]

Only prob I have is Bo said James picked the first two semi-finalists correctly. Meaning he had already picked All Out War as his favorite for that bracket. Meaning of course he was gonna go with AOW over CAL when they telephoned him. Cold As Life is harrrrder. They're harder than 100 Demons imo. Fun vid though!

[@BrightInThePocket]

Wondering how far the following bands would of got - Starkweather, Acme, Congress, Damnation A.D., Disembodied

[@alexanderdecoene8506]

All of these should be on there in the bracket

[@battlebornclothing190]

I just started watching, but if dying breed beats earth crisis, i cant go any further.

[@scottgajewski3925]

I am very proud to be a life long Connecticut native right now! The finals was a win win situation!

[@kiefkieffer2686]

Just saw 100 demons at tihc and you could hear the hits being laid down in the pit during breakdowns

[@slicepaperwrists]

Seeing Taylor rock a Winter shirt is all I needed to see

[@official_keenie]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@markresistance8875]

Love Earth Crisis but great choice with dying breed

[@pdmcrew80]

Hardest Hardcore Band of All Time? Kickback.

[@rivagesfm5018]

The Dying Breed drummer "can't miss parole" thing had me dying

[@tbtstt]

Enemy Mind, Irate and Shattered Realm should surely have made the initial line up?

[@anarcho_porkroll]

Earth Crisis: Firestorm through Breed The Killers is it. Argue with a statist. ✋🏿

[@1blueeye]

Hey everyone, this video was recommended because I listen to All Out War (For those who were crucified is by far my favorite album) - out of all these great bands I've heard literally none but I'd love to hear more like all Out war. Could I get some recommendations of similar bands (albums if possible, even songs)? I'll probably listen to most of these bands eventually but it's a huge bracket so a little help would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

[@Justin88800]

My vote goes to Cold As Life, Ringworm and early Biohazard. Just recently rediscovered Grimlock after not hearing them for nearly 2 decades. That The Killer song " Pills " is the shit. All Out War rules too ...love this sh*t

[@brianortiz4380]

Hatebreed being robbed was unexpected

[@carterseaton138]

hey bo im glad your head is feeling better

[@iancraig5415]

7:10 Huge friend of the Bo here, but we can't keep letting this man use legacy/influence in a list determined by objective hard/heavy-ness

[@deathblow777]

No denied, one second thought, swear to god, or no retreat is insane

[@Carlo.WTF416]

IS IT THE LIGHTING, THE AG1, OR THE MANSCAPED THAT GOT BOSOME LOOKIN’ FOHCKIN’ SWOLESOME? AMIRITE?!

[@__Lxkas]

I was thinking that myself, brother is lookin’ JACKED

[@PosiXCraig]

Sworn Enemy should be there, As Real As It Gets is Master Killer tier and the first EP has IDS on it. Another one I'd put in there is WOJ. All Hail The Dead has probably the highest hit rate of violent pit moments of any record..

[@Porkypine666]

random matchups in a bracket is not cool, there is a reason why seeding exists! death threat v madball in round one is fucking tragic lmao great vid boys

[@WarchildAD]

Kickback is the hardest band of all time. Music, lyrics, lifestyle, the feeling it gives you when you listen to it. It's insanely hard. I like Hatebreed and 100 Demons but it's infinitely easier listening to give to any person off the street.

[@DigitalBath306]

its gotta be terror but here we go see you in two hours

[@daviddean7239]

The answer is Shattered Realm, and they aren’t even on here

[@UndisputedAttitude31]

Where's Neglect? xD

[@mattsnacks]

Since it’s said and done, now have Jasta on to do his bracket from start to finish, objectively

[@the_real_tay_loud2072]

BFB is kindred spirits to Cold as Life. They was talkin that real shit from across the country to each other!

[@M2HSINGER]

ITS HARDLORE TIME

[@monsieurmason5417]

Foundation, Crown Of Thornz, and Weekend Nachos not being included is almost criminal

[@dietcoke_zilla334]

So, not to be that guy, but does anyone know a lot about that band The Killer? I have only heard the name before, never heard of any of their music, but they sound Hard ASF!

[@eddiebeil190]

I don’t know A LOT. What I DO know is that the song “Pills”????? One of the HARDEST songs I’ve ever heard

[@brndn666]

Holy blade. Hardest band of all time

[@303soul]

What happened to Sheer Terror?

[@jessedampolo]

Blood For Blood is interesting because as they went on they got further away from metallic hardcore and more punk rock influenced, but if they played Tear Out My Eyes tomorrow nobody would make it out alive.

[@doomsayer54]

Bo isnt in XweaponX anymore??

[@kienzle1]

I absolutely love Merauder, one of the greatest hardcore bands of all time. But I don't think it's controversial in the slightest to say that Hatebreed is objectively harder.

[@wiggariobeav9296]

No Shattered Realm? Blasphemy. Also a good “newer” band idea Laid 2 Rest.

[@hexedriffsstudio]

Another awesome band that uses E Standard and prove that you dont need to tune down to be brutal is Cattle Decap!! AWESOME!!

[@scattaredlight]

This was unreal. I love this!🤣

[@andytuck99]

who up holyin they blade rn ?

[@Krusade36]

🤣🤣🤣 the music video was fire tho

[@channel_panel193]

did anyone do a spotify playlist to go along with this episode?

[@chueysanchez6854]

imagine this is a festival line up....how wild would the pit be?

[@xXtroutXx69]

The pit would be very tired lol

[@chueysanchez6854]

@@xXtroutXx69 extremely haha

[@imposeinc3023]

veganism and sobriety being benchmarks for HARDNESS is sooo silly to me lmao loved the pod, boys. Thank You.

[@DuelistRL]

I think being able to stay edge while also making the hardest music is fair to factor in. But this list is mainly musically who's hardest.