HardLore: The Heaviest Band of All Time (Tournament Bracket)

[@paulderbyshire6953]

Bo has broken edge and been smoking crack! It’s the only explanation for picking Metallica over neurosis

[@Nfstfu]

Came to say this about Type O Vs Deicide hahah

[@paulderbyshire6953]

@@Nfstfu yeah that’s another bizarre take. He’s clearly had a malfunction

[@janetteivette]

Me audibly saying “nah idk what he’s smoking” in my car while eating Taco Bell 😂

[@Tonyphase]

now do heaviest band of all time by actual weight.

[@rockflageagle3870]

thats Slipknot by far, all past and present members weigh more than Willy Nelsons weed bag

[@gggallin8279]

@@rockflageagle3870 which probably equals around one Crowbar member back in the day

[@dylansmarr3254]

Bowling For Soup

[@jerryrose9472]

Pretty sure you gotta add up the weight of every member and then divide by the number of band members. Or would that determine the most dense band?

[@VirgoKing89]

Since Slipknot has 9 members, they’d be the heaviest band

[@dudeburgers]

Bo saying Metallica is heavier than Neurosis was absolutely unhinged. But he rides for Bolt Thrower and that makes up for it.

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

yeah that take hurt my head

[@deadharvest29]

Yeah haha. Sometimes the hardcore guys don’t quite get what “heavy” means.

[@Leave_The_Hall_69]

No it doesn't, it's an even softer stanmode

[@TheTabledrumsolo]

It made me scream

[@redshift912]

Thanks , I don’t even have to watch this shit now

[@BigMacUpperCut]

Hats off to Bo who just endures barrages of condescending cackles from Herr Young

[@brinepacer]

Doesn't he always?

[@down_the_local7040]

So he should. Much love to Colin, but obviously peace to the Bo soldiers out there

[@ian3829]

matchup between neurosis and metallica, saying metallica is heavier than Neurosis is one of the most insane things i've ever heard.

[@Feelthedorkness]

They are two of my all time favorite bands, Metallica would certainly win “best riffs” or “best songwriting” over Neurosis, but Neurosis tonally made some of the darkest and heaviest music ever. Through Silver and Blood is about as emotionally and musically heavy as it gets.

[@Debbrasaurus]

Saw it coming from Bo lol

[@gggallin8279]

@@Feelthedorknessit’s a great band and a pioneer of metal don’t get me wrong but they‘re definitely more on the dad rock side of things than being remotely close to a heavy band

[@jerryrose9472]

Collin is playing it smart. He's conceding a soft ball because he knows he's gonna need that leverage down the road. I'm calling it. At some point he's gonna say "I gave you Metallica".

[@paulderbyshire6953]

Absolute insanity. Bo has lost his mind and operating from a pure nostalgia point of view here.

[@cidnemo]

Neurosis, Meshuggah and Godflesh got done dirty but more importantly Primitive Man is #1 against Crowbar imo.

[@thehalfnerd2221]

“Bo listens to all the bands discussed” challenge

[@Vagabond0121]

The shit Bo was saying about Napalm Death was a borderline hate crime

[@sirgentlemandinosaur8383]

Shout out Mortician. Didn’t even make the list

[@DiamondLifer]

Same with Devourment.

[@alexgrist8583]

I think influence should be moot. Metallica shouldn't go over Neurosis and in that argument Sabbath shouldn't go over Meshuggah

[@osakablue1]

Shout out to Primitive Man who opened for Crowbar on a tour through the Heavy Southern parts of America

[@just.justice96]

Why wouldn't they?

[@DougMayer]

+1 that was a great tour

[@alexbernhardt56]

I think Disembowelment and Electric Wizard should’ve earned a spot on the bracket. Also, I love Type O but I don’t think there’s anyway they should’ve made it past the first round. Sleep has some of the most crushing riffs I’ve ever heard

[@CrookedTooth616]

‘The Doorway’ by Neurosis stomps all over Metallica’s “heaviest moments” in their entire catalog. To say anything else would be ridiculous and wrong.

[@paulderbyshire6953]

There’s some riffs on through silver in blood that make Metallica sound like fall out boy. I’ve never disagreed with anyone more than Bo here.

[@sendhelp6349]

Metallica got the "they're my favorite band" pass over neurosis, if he was going to do that i wish he would just be up front about it rather than try and bullshit some "influence" or "they did numbers" argument

[@aaronadair697]

The slow sludgy part of The Doorway might be the single heaviest moment that I've ever heard in any song

[@georgedeacon3527]

Bro there’s no fucking way type o is heavier than sleep or deicide

[@Nick-O-Death]

Listen to their album Dead Again. I love sleep and Deicide but Type O is almost Crowbar heavy

[@ryananderson586]

14 year old girls’ favorite band cannot be heavy.

[@Nick-O-Death]

@@ryananderson586 It’s okay to be wrong

[@butchvito]

@@ryananderson586 For one, what 14 year old girls are you hanging around? Please stop... You probably saw one music video for Black No. 1 so you think that's what their whole career represents... Kirk Windstein, for example, is a huge Type O fan. He doesn't come off as a 14 year old girl. Type O have a lot of slow doomy stuff.

[@Speakingintongves]

Hate to say it because we all know I’m team Bo. But holy shit Colin was right this whole ep.

[@MetalGearGander]

The only band that truly deserves the “why are they not here” discourse is Primitive Man. Suffocatingly heavy on every track

[@cantbanme8971]

Lol Grief?

[@MetalGearGander]

@@cantbanme8971 great band but PM is still nuclear levels of heavy

[@CrookedTooth616]

I could not agree more. Seeing them live is akin to a spiritual experience.

[@cantbanme8971]

@@MetalGearGander Grief are heavier

[@MIKELiscrazy]

This is what I thought when I saw the bracket. I think that they are just a little more unfamiliar with that area of heavy music unfortunately. But yeah, Primitive Man is the absolute masters of HEAVY hands down

[@highonsleep4219]

As a huuuge Napalm Death fan, Bo's ignorance to their catalogue is breaking my heart. They're more than just a grind band. Harmony Corruption is pure death metal and heavy as shit. Fear, emptiness and despair is also super groovy and heavy. Not to mention their post 2000s stuff, very experiemntal and varied, you can find punishing slow riffs and fast riffs. They're more than just "you suffer"

[@shovethedove]

SO much more than a grind band. Utopia Banished is an incredible example of their ability to move forward and adapt. a crushing record that i feel like is criminally under appreciated when discussing napalm death. a personal favorite when it comes to extreme music. absolutely all encompassing from the album art to production to lyrical content. its how i prefer my napalm death.

[@steveparkhillfitness]

Its crowbar. I don’t even need to watch this. None heavier is literally on a shirt

[@bryanhuffman7566]

Planets collide is anything but heavy.

[@butchvito]

@@bryanhuffman7566 You have no idea what heavy is, ok pal?

[@phill0406]

In no world is Type O heavier than Sleep.

[@sacred2613]

agreed

[@DoctorBoof1]

I had to check the comments for this haha, completely unhinged to say Type O is heavier

[@butchvito]

It's not that much of a landslide. Type O have a lot of slow doomy stuff.

[@dylansmarr3254]

Like many others, Hatebreed was one of my biggest gateway bands. However, I think in terms of heaviness of music, it should've been Godflesh.

[@_Captain_Benji_]

Yeah, I love Satisfaction… don’t get me wrong but Hatebreed has never made an album like Streetcleaner.

[@tomes3290]

Yea this one was truly insane to me

[@wittehaard1228]

Love how much respect these guys have consistently put on Crowbar's name. They're such a great band and I feel they were definitely shit on for a few years, glad to see people repping for them more in the last five or so years. Also, Kirk would be a great interview. Heard him on Jasta's podcast and he's always entertaining and incredibly humble, got some wild stories about his experience during hurricane Katrina.

[@abelpf1]

THERE IS NO WAY NEUROSIS ISNT THE HEAVIEST OF THEIR FIRST COHORT...insane.

[@benxo]

Bo I'd just like to declare that me and you are now sworn enemies due to your opinion on Neurosis.

[@gnarxy]

portal, primative man, dragged into sunlight, damaar

[@galgazitgalili3416]

Damaar was fucking insane. The lore behind them makes them heavier than the other three you mentioned.

[@Dead_ham]

Winter and Corrupted also shoulda been on here. I don’t really think Portal is heavy.

[@yellowsaurus4895]

@@Dead_ham yeah, they have some heavy bits here and there, but generally i would say they're kinda beyond the realm of heavy and just straight up horrifying lol

[@patrick5993]

My initial gut reaction was to put Hatebreed over Godflesh, but I think sonically Godflesh is much heavier while Hatebreed is harder. Godflesh's sound has the weight of industrial machinery crushing you, while Hatebreed is as hard as a pro fighters punch.

[@jeffwise6937]

Primitive Man deserved a spot and would've won half of the 1st round matchups.

[@joebreakerx]

I can't imagine how much damage *Iron Monkey* would have done in this

[@paulderbyshire6953]

Yeah man! Our problem is one of the heaviest records ever made. Such an underrated band too

[@joebreakerx]

@@paulderbyshire6953 just seen they recently put that and the first record on Spotify 🔥🔥

[@MetalxScum]

Iron monkey's first album is music they stole from e.h.g..true story

[@realdog2552]

"This doesn't happen without Black Sabbath" yeah, that's not what the fucking bracket was about though was it? In what universe is Meshuggah not "heavier" than Black Sabbath?

[@gregbaffuto4370]

they already used that logic to catapult Metallica over Neurosis so I was surprised they did it again right after lol

[@realdog2552]

@@gregbaffuto4370 This bracket has me distraught lol

[@JackBurby]

Pantera over Xibalba actually hurt me

[@ceradaddygibson]

Pantera is amazing but I genuinely do not think they’re heavier than Xibalba

[@official_keenie]

Same brother. I had to take a couple breaths lmao

[@peautifulbenis3673]

Xibalba decision was wrong lol

[@DiamondLifer]

Pantera nearly invented breakdowns and groove metal. But they were also extremely heavy live.

[@rivagesfm5018]

Honestly Conan barely getting a mention is border treason at this point but I get it. Cool episode once again ! For those who seek bands as heavy as Conan, I'd recommend "In the depths of R'lyeh" by Catacombs

[@Lucas-ds3kb]

Agreed! They should've had a discussion on what defines heavy first. I mean... the breakdown in Battle in the Swamp... That's HEAVY . DF is the harder band, but to gloss over Conan like that is painful.

[@spoonerluv]

Black Sabbath did downtune for the reason Colin cited - the string tension was too much.

[@goblinspy]

The video should have been "Second Heaviest Band of All Time" because Crowbar was never going to lose.

[@Dead_ham]

Bo looked legitimately upset during the type o/Deicide bit

[@thesvc2006]

this is my first episode and i'm absolutely hooked. y'all's chemsitry is magnetic, and knowledge absolutely on point. much love guys, will be sticking around and watching more.

[@kanegarner3468]

Brother, Lethargica is the heaviest thing ever surely. It’s fucking oppressively heavy. Laughably heavy!

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

Deicide is WAYYYY HEAVIER THAN TYPE O .. Come on Bo haha. It's all opinion but For The Heaviest Band Ever, I'm going to have to go with, "CIANIDE-THE DYING TRUTH 1992" for album and heaviest band Im gonna have to say, "dISEMBOWELMENT", Or , "Autopsy". but in a live setting this is easy, I'm going to say OM with Al and Chris live... also seeing Boris sound check at the FU Church in Philly in an empty room was the heaviest two live things Ive ever heard.

[@rivagesfm5018]

that's insane to me, and I don't even like Deicide that much and love Type O

[@shit_pant]

Exactly , put Peter Steele singing and the music from once upon a cross, , and you would say “once upon a cross is by far the heaviest type o negative song”

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

@@rivagesfm5018 He did say Once Upon The Cross was his favorite, so he might not know how sick the Self Titled, Legion, The Demos, and Serpents Of The Light is. I would think Bo would be more into Serpents Of The Light, but I also love Type O... but that statement , I had to say something haha

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

@@shit_pant If you had Peter do guest vocals with Decide via Once Upon The Cross it might not work, but if he just did like some spooky spoken word type stuff.... then I can see Peter making Deicide a bit heavier is just with his regular voice backing Glen would be sick.. but yeah Type O has their ballads which can be heavy but NOOOWHERE NEAR a Deicide level of heavy. But don't get me wrong Type O is a heavy band, but against a Death Metal band like Deicide... come on now.

[@Terror0619]

Soon as I seen Conan I knew my answer. Conan is one of my favorite bands. They are insanely heavy

[@mitchellyons7568]

As much as I love Dying Fetus, there’s truly no way that they’re heavier than Conan

[@Jon-vn9sn]

For my money, I would probably say they truly are the heaviest band of all time. It’s like it was their sole mission. And they succeeded. Just city leveling types of heavy.

[@Terror0619]

@mitchellyons7568 yeah. Dying fetus. Is more hard then heavy. Conan's new album was the heaviest thing I've ever heard. Especially with a good stereo system. Earth shattering

[@Vb98765]

Is Bo ok? last week he said Morbid Angel isn't heavy. Now Deicide?

[@ethancookfilms]

31:46 SPUNCUCKED

[@chris42028]

Crowbar period. The last minute of to carry the load done

[@darkcheaker]

I feel like compiling this bracket was pretty difficult, i'd certainly would include Nails here

[@spencergrady5501]

Mortician, Bastard Noise, Primitive Man, Portal

[@DiamondLifer]

Yeah no Mortician is pretty nuts.

[@jmsfueled]

Portal is fucking heavy

[@fartsniffer257]

The Berzerker, Disembowelment, Fear Factory, Anal Cunt, Sanguisugabogg also could have made the list.

[@fartsniffer257]

The Berzerker, Disembowelment, Fear Factory, Anal Cunt, Naibomb also could have made the list.

[@fraserxsamson]

Also has Bo broke edge and taken crack?! Metallica over Neurosis is just plain lack of knowledge.

[@SchnellVITALVINYLVLOG]

Used to cover YOU SUFFER? By Napalm Death at every show, even when we played with Napalm Death and Bo, Colin is 100% right. Because you say your covering Napalm Death... most people are thinking your gonna play Suffer The Children but we would do, YOU SUFFER? After we did it opening for ND Barney asked if I wanted to sing DEAD on stage haha. So I said hell yeah and because of covering a 3 second YOU SUFFER BUT WHY? Lyric burst got me on stage to sing with one of my favorite bands at the time and just legends. So Colin and the You Suffer Cover Hack with Pop works 10/10 times.

[@jaredmason8556]

Hate that I’m being this guy but need the Acacia Strain on here. Sick video guys!

[@diazable]

Tas was my vote for heavyiest band. 😊

[@brandonhwang5242]

Snub of the century. TAS forever.

[@pollockdown4213]

TAS just released 2 of the heaviest albums last year ever with Step Into the Light on the heavy hardcore side and Failure Will Follow on the doom/sludge heavy side.

[@thefallofaaron]

seems they didnt really include deathcore in this much, but im with you man. TAS *IS* the heaviest band of all time imo. Id argue Impending Doom deserves a spot as well!

[@AndrewJShirley]

Facts, TAS absolutely need a shout out.

[@Rwntylr]

Bo must be trolling - On what planet is Type O heavier than deicide !

[@idontevenlikemoney]

This episode wasn't made to prove anything other than how great it is listening to you guys argue. Lol

[@lordfresca]

Godflesh out in the first round???? Boys hard up that lore

[@fcaioki7949]

That was wild. Even Jesu is heavier than Hatebreed imo

[@ccoletti81]

​@@fcaioki7949the first seconds of "Friends Are Evil" just crusssshhh Hatebreed.

[@juicerock960]

Bo's take on Morbid Angel v Obituary is insane.

[@Jon-vn9sn]

Yea even just Kingdoms Distained, alone, is heavier than anything Obituary ever did. So much heft.

[@camoflagueobituaryhat]

100%. I cannot believe Bo sometimes. On two different episodes he was like "how is morbid angel heavy?" "Blastbeats aren't heavy". I truly dont know what he thinks heavy is...

[@clark6789]

Deicide is heavier than Type O. Period.

[@BIGxBOSSxx1]

“We’re not saying best guy is some monkey, because there’s guys now!” “…What?”

[@jtkappy7742]

First time I head xibalba was the first time I saw them live and I knew just from seeing their amps how heavy they would be, and they still blew me away

[@uishy340]

Christbait Rising is heavier than Hatebreed's discog you can't change my mind

[@cadrecola]

Converge is a dark horse for the hardest bands bracket, for certain.

[@k6rie]

Obituary or morbid shouldn’t even be a question MORBID no doubt

[@spiritofthetallhills2037]

bands that i think deserve a mention primitive man, carcass, disembowelment, autopsy, entombed, blasphemy, revenge, electric wizard, mortician, disma (completely understandable omission tho)

[@tomes3290]

I would say Blasphemy/Revenge are hard rather than heavy. Blasphemy have a shoe in for hardest ever imo.

[@spiritofthetallhills2037]

@@tomes3290 i guess thats valid

[@MUSICSUCKSMAKENOISE]

No Sunn O))), Indian, Grief, or Primitive Man? Literally all these bands are heavier than anything even mentioned in this fucking episode lmao.

[@neighborhoodmusicsnob5517]

Thou too

[@DiamondLifer]

Sludge and Doom got no love.

[@MUSICSUCKSMAKENOISE]

That’s because they don’t know shit or they would have put a sludge/doom bands on the list ha. They truly picked like the dumbest fucking bands for heaviest bands and thought yup this rocks!

[@deadharvest29]

3 serious omissions here, from my point of view. I get it, cuz you guys aren’t Doom guys ( & props for mentioning Conan & Sleep)but Primitive Man makes Conan sound like emo. They crush any other heavy band at the moment, & possibly ever. Grief too. Disgustingly heavy, & to think they were writing that stuff in the early 90’s! As far as death metal- DEVOURMENT. Respect for mentioning Neurosis and Crowbar!

[@CRtool10000days]

It would be fun to see an episode where Bo didn’t just cave to Colin or say the answer he thought Colin would say haha

[@thiccriq7497]

All respect to Dying Fetus but Conan is made of lead and black holes. If they didn’t take the whole thing, sure, but a first round elimination is WILD.

[@ANNIHILATION13487]

Bo has never been so wrong so consistently

[@DCLXVI-di3jz]

you guys are crazy for not including Disembowelment

[@wulfgaen5888]

Heavy is thy Lore that is to be Hardened.🧎🏽‍♂️

[@jakebraaaps2149]

Orphan hands down. Only one album and an ep, heaviest most angry emotional shit ever

[@Moshonyou]

Yes, I’m up And I’m harding my lore rn

[@DaBeast1349]

I know Pantera are legends but there is literally no argument that can be made that anything they’ve put out is heavier than “Cold” or “Guerilla.”

[@xaviergrant7165]

Yo guerilla is the heaviest song ever haha

[@jeffwise6937]

Easy decision in my opinion. Personally think Pantera is way harder than they are heavy.

[@coffincat1465]

@@jeffwise6937Agreed. This is it

[@jtkappy7742]

If I remember correctly tony Iomi had to use banjo strings and detune to be able to play with prosthetics. I think if I chopped my fingers off I’d just accept guitar isn’t for me anymore

[@elgordogringo_]

Bo tried to get Metallica a first round bye

[@AA-qx8md]

In what universe is Typo heavier than Sleep?? And Metallica heavier than Neurosis? Look...I've seen most of these bands. When you walk away from a Sleep and Neurosis show, they're so heavy you still feel it on your way home. That is NOT the case with Metallica or Type O.

[@butchvito]

Have you heard more than one or two songs from Type O? Yeah they're not heavier than Sleep but Type O have a lot of doomy heavier stuff. I've never got the chance to see Type O live. You're saying they weren't impressive?

[@swuji4838]

No Mortician is bananas

[@DigitalBath306]

bo relies too much on lyrics, by that standard you could pick pop songs as "heavy" cause some of them have heavy lyrics

[@coffincat1465]

Nah, that’s hard. Lyrics can go hard, heavy is sonics and tone

[@DigitalBath306]

@@coffincat1465 linkin park - one more light that song is heavy but it doesnt sound heavy

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb]

where is nails where is full of hell where is primitive man and any powerviolence band

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb]

gaza? cult leader?

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb]

admiral angry?

[@saucedonkey88889]

UHM..THE BEATLES?!

[@HoveringLifeless]

admiral angry fake ass poser sludge band. lmfao

[@brinepacer]

​@@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb right? This is like "who's the heaviest band to ever play Welcome To Rockville".

[@kencrippyjr]

corrupted and noothgrush not being on here is wild

[@joebreakerx]

Never seen Colin so sleeved

[@mrozay607]

I knew somethin was different but couldn't put my finger on it haha

[@zanebrooks53]

Need more clarification on what makes something heavy vs hard, I don’t think they have to be conflicting

[@gregbaffuto4370]

Type O has no business even being in the running. Same with Metallica

[@davei6452]

I’m glad to hear directly from the horses mouths. Thank you, still listening but great and hilarious watch so far. These two podcasts have been incredible idk where to go after hard and heavy but would love more. Maybe scariest shows idk lol but please more!

[@Deedee_on_the_internet]

SLEEP losing to Type O is disrespectful love the pod

[@km19994]

can't believe they finally got Saba on the pod after all these ears

[@nwebster2012]

This is insane. I don’t know if I can even finish this video. Right off the bat fucking it up. If you’re being honest Metallica and Black Sabbath shouldn’t even be on the list. I’ll try and push through, but this is painful boys.

[@akukta]

Glad that Torche, Mastodon, and Gojira all got mentioned at least!

[@SetlistPlughc]

Idk how you can listen to Suicide Note 2 and Bright Sun or Cold and say Pantera is heavier. Xibalba got snubbed.

[@vacantlot]

This is unbelievably fun lol I love this

[@Dayman420]

Very funny and good episode, as always, but I’ve gotta say, this criteria make absolutely no sense 😂 I already listened to this on Spotify, and I have to say, that winner is insane.

[@spencersmith8089]

Saw drain and terror last night, black eye swollen shut, new hardlore time. At peace

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

Hard is relentless artillery barrage. Heavy is rhe nuclear blasts from ICBMs. "It's helll to get through this" vs "No escape. Game over"

[@markperry6017]

The Acacia Strain, Primitive Man, Strapping Young Lad and Abominable Iron Sloth could have added two extra matches to this

[@DiamondLifer]

Glad someone mentioned Abominable Iron Sloth but I’d say Admiral Angry’s “Buster” and Black Sheep Wall’s “I’m Going To Kill Myself” are two extremely heavy albums that get no love also.

[@dannygibson2597]

This whole idea of heavy is interesting to me because it really can be interpreted in a bunch of ways. You could argue a serious lack of deathcore in this list where the vocals are as much apart of the "heaviness" as the riffs. Crowbar if heavy technically and instrumentally but there are definitely a lot of deathcore bands who *sound* way heavier and louder. You can argue that's part of what makes something heavy.

[@JohnDoe-hn7dm]

“It’s not where you’re from, it’s where you’re at”. -Fury Of Five FUCK Metallica. They don’t hold a candle to Neurosis.

[@bryanhuffman7566]

All Out War going down so fast broke my heart. It was good to hear them both say All Out War is one of the hardest too.

[@makeitfastgodzilla]

48:13 The Monke evolution

[@fcaioki7949]

I wish Blasphemy and Corrupted were on this but these brackets are fantastic! Love the work that went into the picks ❤

[@camoflagueobituaryhat]

Oooh good choices

[@TheCadegoodspeed45]

Fun fact fredrick from meshuggah is also missing a bit of his finger. Also the string tension thing is so true.

[@jakobs8970]

Bo’s takes are so bad sometimes lol

[@HEARDGERD]

The intro riff of Into Crypt of Rays is on it's own such a huge swing of influence for hardcore, but it's also such a heavy fucking riff right out the gate.

[@yellowsaurus4895]

Man they did Meshuggah diiirty dropping them in the first round like that lol. Sure, Sabbath walked so all the other bands on this list could run, no argument there - But you can't just ignore the huge influence Meshuggah have had on modern metal. I mean, they're pretty much solely responsible for spawning djent as a whole, and djent's whole thing is just trying to be as heavy as possible. But that's besides the point, because if we're really being scientific, there's absolutely no way "War Pigs" is heavier than songs like "Rational Gaze," "Organic Shadows" etc. There's just no way lol.

[@abovedeathpresents]

Bruh, "I" opens with a 30 second long scream

[@scattaredlight]

I’m enjoying this too much 🤣 Steven 🤣🤣 This was soo fun! I can't wait for the (in Jasta's voice) HAAAAAAAAAAARDEST bands🤩

[@ChainChomp122]

I love this damn show. Shout out to Hardlore

[@apo75018]

Xibalba immediately came to my mind with this title.

[@maxheilman5314]

I think the main issue here is heaviness as a feeling vs heaviness as a sound. Sabbath self-titled song records hold up to this day because it FEELS heavy. Meshuggah has a heavy feeling too, but if a heavy feeling means it still holds up after the advent of Meshuggah, I think that’s evidence of transcendent heaviness. It’s like this… do you think Earth is heavy? They’re not the most intense band, but their music just plunges so deep with its feeling. They don’t even need distortion… the feeling is there. But if it’s all about sound, then yeah the more extreme bands are gonna win every time. In that mentality, I genuinely believe no band will ever surpass Primitive Man.