So WIRELESS Fans are a Thing Now...

[@AlleonoriCat]

>wireless fans >looks inside >wires

[@GoodOlJavi]

How can a company market convenience then proceed to make the whole product an absolute nightmare to deal with...

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its 2024. End of story.

[@Gurumeierhans]

Becasue people bu yanything when its new and expensive to feel special

[@Iron-ODin]

After switching away from exclusively sponsored products, this channel is fast becoming the best channel for actually useful reviews again. You guys are realistically testing hardware again and not simply reading of marketing points and it's great. Love it!

[@HardwareCanucks]

Thanks. We promised a change and its happening, though there will still be some sponsored content for VERY select items.

[@ByronduBoisZA]

@@HardwareCanucks Corporations bullying reviewers to say exactly what they want should be a big turn away.

[@sogwatchman]

So they still have wires to supply power to the fans but they use a wireless connection for the rgb... So it's not wireless it's just less reliable.

[@HalfDayHero]

>Aims for wireless > Gets rely-less

[@A-BYTE64]

So it is BS

[@threepe0]

Associating radio transmission with a decrease in reliability is… wild

[@christianaltamura]

What an overcomplicated mess. No thanks.

[@EULA]

there aint no way i can sacrifice another usb for fans on my itx board

[@harrison9861]

aint no way im spending what half a budget pc costs on fans either aha

[@EULA]

@harrison9861 xdd

[@Profecxion]

EACH FAN ITS A USB I KNOW TRUST ME 9 FANS MEANS 9 USB DEVICES IN THE CONTROLLER

[@BlackAera]

I have a simple rule that did me well for ages: Avoid going wireless if possible

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

If already connected to the motherboard via USB why do we need the damn dongle??

[@zahidshabir4038]

that is only the LCD fans. The others do not require the use of RGB cables and only connect to the motherboard fan headers but I still am not a fan of these fans and I prefer Corsair's approach since you can even link together AIO pumps and custom water cooling gear to the same system AND the actual cable itself provides DATA AND POWER (for data I mean not just controlling BASIC RGB because those fans don't really do advanced RGB stuff such as control the RGB of each fan individually of one another but Corsair's system can do that AND can do a cool effect where the RGB lights up the fan blades in such a fashion where it looks like the blades are not even spinning at all by timing the LED's to match the fan speeds). The data part of Corsair system can even adjust fan speeds and Corsair even have fans with built in temp sensors that connect to that system too which can be monitored through software which is also another bonus of their "cordless" system and the controller is tiny and magnetic too so you don't need to use a double sided tape that is usually pre applied to the controllers but Corsair still includes it for those people rocking a non steel PC case which is not magnetic and the hub can control 14 devices total across 2 channels and 7 devices per channel (or more for just RGB if you buy extension cables but I don't know the upper limit but I think multi extension cables and multi port extension hubs may be limited to one extension hub/cable per channel). Sure the LCD fans from Lian Li look cool but I would rather have fans that can tell me the air temp going through them and have some mini USB display on the side

[@deepblue812]

making it all the way through production of the video and still having issues with the little screens is rough. Having to dig around for obscure engineering firmware is probably not a good user experience. I have a set of the LCD ones but have not used them in a build yet.

[@DoctorMandible]

Cheap LEDs also ruin your mic signal. Those crappy LEDs they make rgb lighting with also tend to emit lots of radio static which is picked up by many microphones. It's especially bad with mics that are also wired to the same system as those LEDs, like if you're gaming online on your pc. And it's triple bad if your mic is direct to usb, which is a poorly shielded connection.

[@DoctorMandible]

I'd love to see HC or someone else include this in their reviews. I game online but I also record music on my pc. I have to do all my own research on which components emit radio and/or electrical interference. But it is a simple thing to test if you already have the component in hand. It's not just me, but all home studio musicians struggle with this. But the musician channels lack the expertise to consider testing a wide range pc components.

[@diztinger]

ye sucks no one talks about this

[@HardwareCanucks]

Interesting. How do you test for static with your mic’s? Just record the noise floor with high gain to see the difference? -D.

[@rhezaif]

let me guess, 1.000 bucks?

[@jggg31]

They need to look up what wireless really means.

[@RatedMforMatt-ure]

This is lian li's worst product so far. This is complete garbage.

[@honinakecheta601]

Functionally it delivers, but how they marketed it as a wireless product when it’s really not is smarmy. I feel like this product really didn’t need to be made.

[@lebeinderbadewanne]

„I don‘t mind their noise profile“. So they are probably very loud.

[@krazyfrog]

Unrelated but has Lian Li fixed the noise issue on the P28 that Mike pointed out in his review last year or is it still the same?

[@HardwareCanucks]

I was going to make a video covering it since we received 6x retail samples and the first two samples didn't have the noise. Then boom, 2 of the next 4 did. So I'm leaving things as is for now. - Mike

[@krazyfrog]

​@@HardwareCanucksSo it's a quality control issue rather than a design flaw.

[@luismovil5341]

The problem with Lian Li SL LCD fans is that if you connect them to a 1A fan header, that's good for only one fan. The moment you have more than one, you have to connect them to header that provide more amps, like water pump headers. Or just simply connect them using the SATA adapter, because the fan connector is essentially useless, it is used only for power and does not even register fan speeds with the motherboard. Then there's the controller dongle, which comes with a particular flimsy internal cable. However, once set up correctly, I'm not having the issues you are having. I think the probable cause of any problem with them is connecting several of them together and using only one fan header - the current is just going to fluctuate too much and cause instability issues. The Lian Li TL LCD fans fix this - by having fans use one very proprietary cable that only works with a wired controller that only comes with three ports usable for TL LCD fans. At least you won't have to worry about getting NZXT hubs, but they have really framed Lian Li into the proprietary garbage realm in my mind. I would recommend for people to limit Lian Li LCD fans to at most two rows of them and to keep in mind they aren't motherboard fans and should avoid using motherboard fan headers. We need USB-C LCD wireless fans and less proprietary controllers.

[@koob1413]

I’m personally paranoid of adding more wireless devices in my setup. it must cause an interference somewhere. I like to use the wired option whenever possible.

[@Ty-ri7dy]

"Those aren't wires, they're cables!"

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's not a moon, its a SPACE STATION

[@DarthChewie]

They're not rocks, they're minerals!

[@ryanmalone2681]

I just built a PC with the TL LCD fans. Out of 5 fans, 3 started making noises and needed to be replaced. The software was also so buggy they kept losing their settings or would stop working properly. After replacing most of the fans, and after a new mob update came out and we upgraded, we finally got to some stability. I'm building another one and will skip the LCD fans. They're cool but there are too many issues.

[@n9ne]

these companies need to stop making products that require software.

[@carlwheezer1544]

firmware update for fans... how pathetic

[@ApostolisTympakianakis]

We now live in a world where even case fans need firmware updates...

[@Omega-EP]

How are they working after plugging in all of your wireless peripherals like a mouse, a keyboard and maybe a second one such as a numpad? Signals are bound to interfere with one another, right?

[@Hoolagun]

How do you wirelessly daisy chain a fan to the rear exhaust? Or is that single rear fan redundant now?

[@kamikaze00007]

I think the best structure for "wireless" fans would be daisy-chained fans that are wireless except for power delivery, and then a hub that can actually communicate with those wireless fans as well as handle the processing of the data which also functions as a standard control hub. I see no point in having to sacrifice an external USB port for a dongle, when you can hide a control hub inside the case, plugged into the header. It doesn't make sense that you also need to buy your own internal hub which is extra expense.

[@PrinzMidas]

Why did you not already provided the link for the engineers-version of the software??

[@C0BEX]

I don"t understand why this needs to be connected to proprietary wireless device, when you have BT on basicaly any new MB. This would also allow to control it via some kind of simple android/iOS app.

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

If already connected to the motherboard why do we need the fking dongle

[@jpod]

Just earned a subscriber solid insight

[@speybondon]

E-Waste at its best.

[@JoselitoBurrito]

While they didn't succeed, I love the idea and the direction they're going. Hopefully future motherboards have usb connections on them to insert the wireless receiver and panels have magnetic power outputs to seemlesly connect *actual* wireless fans.

[@chrisx112x]

One of my sl inf fan got problems in the conection point making the colors go crazy had to put that one on the last fan to not have the problem dont know why they have like a year of use

[@blackstar-genX]

Hold on a second guy, do a match without me. My case fans needs updating

[@benuten3907]

When your fans are more expensive than your most important specs..lmao..

[@myrtlekenazjanairo9411]

If you want a fan to be wireless, then why not create a pc case with integrated pogo pins where you stick your fans on it or into the radiator and run a wire through the hose into the cpu pump fan. You can't just call a fan wireless if it still use a wire. Dumb naming imo.

[@montherahmed632]

what case are they using here does anyone know? (the white case in the video)

[@honinakecheta601]

Wireless non wireless fans is so dystopian I’d expect this to be sold in the hunger games universe by the upper class.

[@BigDraco88]

It’s hit or miss with Lian Li fans, I had 2 broken making loud noises in a year. When they work they are great

[@iamaero5876]

hey, what is that aio?

[@jaritsu]

For some reason my comment about how not-great my experience with Lian Li TL AIO and SL fans was deleted? Cool. TLDR version: The fan controllers, despite being the same physical controller, can't service both the AIO fans and SL fans. You need to wire up BOTH controllers before the software recognizes things. Despite each controller having 4 headers for the daisy cabling. Would not use again.

[@HardwareCanucks]

We do not delete comments, and we do not have an issue with folks sharing their experiences. Not sure what happened with your OG comment, maybe got flagged as spam cuz KZbin lol -D.

[@jaritsu]

@ I had an Imgur link to my build to show I wasn’t bluffing so that probably flagged me. I’m mad here. Mad about fans. It’s got me all WORKED UP.

[@quantum5661]

​@@jaritsusometimes comments only show if you sort by newest. youtube is stupid.

[@masbuba]

Should be less wire ?

[@nobodygaming4248]

if you power the lcd fans via a hub this leads to many problems, i guess they want you to buy their lian li psu with integrated usb-hub... i have the non wireless fans and had nothing but issues for at least 6 months now, also, when the fans are running gifs the cpu-usage in the l-connect-software hovers between 10 to 14 percent for the l-connect software alone, i would not recommend these fans and i do not think the wirelessfans are any better

[@Vladek16]

this is dumb. If no matter what you gonna need one wire, make it USB and you can pass power, pwm, rgb and all you want through it. No need for a USB antenna that can disconnect

[@evergaolbird]

Why can't these companies just make a standard way to make cases and fans at the same time? No proprietary BS, just like the PCIE power ports and USB ports are the standards for PC Motheroard/GPU manufacturers to follow. Having cases to just follow the same contact points already in the frame will eliminate these routing problems once and for all. Stop competing for the frustrating proprietary, compete to be the best PC Case & fans Ecosystem overall.

[@TechTalkTobi]

at my last upgrade, i took care to not have AURA to be able to don't need SW at all. Only config in BIOS. And than this comes up: you need more USB and more SW 😂😂😂 incl. several bugs

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

This reminds me of the dumbest Amazon review I’ve ever read: someone complained about a phone wireless charger having a wire

[@thetechrealist]

Wireless should have been done a while ago, I left rgb when I realized that it was a massive PITA, even in an atx case with a ton of room… But I’m glad now that I left that useless technology behind when I discovered I liked M-Itx PCs more than big ATX PCs

[@javier_i]

Waiting for an end of the year best peripherals video, hope that is still a thing in the channel

[@HardwareCanucks]

It sadly won't be this year since we simply didn't review enough peripherals. We do have some REALLY cool peripheral roundups planned for next year though.

[@qT_p13]

I think it's a matter of good idea, bad execution. Remote control, connect via bluetooth and a phone app (just like some house lights), although not totally wireless, i feel they could have figured it out.

[@NuttyV2]

If wireless fans are possible. Bluetooth shower heads must be just around a corner.

[@michaelpiper4067]

'nzxt may be in hot water right now' nice 😛

[@pRostaPlay]

Lian Li took a wrong turn I guess. They came the way from many cables on the fans to dizzy chain then cablle-less connection to the web of cables again (for display, complicated RGB), that I must use their hub for it + this overloaded software just for fans which task is simply cool my PC))

[@flows30]

CPU: hey man i just want to be cooled 😭

[@tkvibes117]

For the love of god can they please higher someone who knows how to code this better I'm waiting for them to make a fix or something that isn't faulty from the start.

[@NinjAsylum]

I KNOW that 90% of Gen Z and Alpha have IQ levels in the single digits .. but surely no one is dumb enough to have actually thought that they meant the fan itself is wireless. No one can be that stupid. Its called Common Sense....

[@duhmeister]

A solution to a problem that doesn't exist lol L-wireless is appropriate

[@mbrosenb86]

No way in hell am I gonna spend a week configuring glowing fans lmao. With Corsair all I have to do is plug them all into the link hub and that’s it. You can even daisychain them.

[@papamudashowtime]

when i first hear this fan its the same thought, why its call "wireless" if its still need a wire... 😂😂😂 i thougt the fan powered by a portable battery or something...

[@gordong11]

Here we all like good technology but when things don't work right it becomes more of a headache than the problem its supposed to be solving.

[@fred_derf]

An awful lot of wires come wit those "wireless" fans.

[@iamaero5876]

trust me it is 'Armoury Crate'

[@RoxburysFinest617]

We now know why there are so usb 2.0 hubs on Lian Li's power supply.

[@sisqo-7636]

I had same problem with l connact software even not making updates automatically I should download it manually, big shame lian li

[@mateuszoron135]

Less wires not Wireless… :P

[@donk8589]

LCD, USB, LED, WIFI... What next? An "AI Powered fan" ? A fan with an ethernet cable? Humanity... 🤦‍♂

[@HardwareCanucks]

Its already being worked on....we saw samples from two unnamed manufacturers at this year's Computex....

[@veryhealthy9962]

Dat "lol" 😂

[@ThisBenners]

In 2024, I’m confused why we cannot control the addressable colours from our smart device. When I can ask Alexa to change the fan lights, let me know

[@juts89]

firmware, drivers, and usb ports for fans. People be creating their own problems.

[@Haarba1]

Wireless less wires, not no wires. For some reason dumb marketing ppl decided to use wireless for things they are actually have no wires likee mouse or kb.

[@codygrinnell8676]

I think I'll stick with my Unifan v2's

[@leviathanpriim3951]

meanwhile on Noctua Chromax

[@OVERKILL_PINBALL]

don't walk away from this product... *RUN*

[@Vertigo11]

Thanks!

[@ulamss5]

What excuse could they possibly have to begin selling it in its current state. In my company this wouldn't even pass alpha.

[@NathanielKempson]

How is it legal to call these wireless when they are not wireless? Does that not cross the line to fraud or somethin?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well its technically wireless communications

[@corgikun2579]

God bless Macs

[@Benbenbenbenbenbenbenbenben]

Take this product as an innovative product. It's mnot perfect, but give Lian Li some credit for trying something new. Their marketing is a bit meh, but that's because wireless power doesn't exist (unless it's like a wireless conductive energy, there are ways). But really, it's an enclosure connected wired to a wall outlet, so who cares about wireless anyway. It's overcomplicating things. If you're in the market to spend this kind of money, good cable management would make this product obselete.

[@danr8011]

while the fans may perform well, this seems overly complicated, much more effort than it's worth. give me some good and silent black or white fans and forget about all this mess

[@blaux]

Just get the Corsair RX fans

[@DarthChewie]

What's next, fanless wires?

[@HectorDomino.]

Your voice changed man! 😶

[@HalfDayHero]

RGB is such a headache. Just ain't worth it anymore.

[@brianwest7344]

24 seconds shows cables, seen enough

[@LtSheppardXxL]

armory crate is the worse piece of garbage ever. it installs so many ghost programs its insaine. then if you try to delete them all its a chore. i just deleted everything on my pc that had rgb control and started using signal rgb and its been so much better. my only issue is my steel series keyboard needs the app for certain features. but the app has rgb built in and does not stay in its own lane. so i have to manually open signal, close steel. leave signal open, then open steel series gg again and it wont take over. its weird ugh

[@fedoruccio]

got lost at RGB, not for me…

[@swizzler8053]

They aren't wireless!

[@QuintessenceHD]

At least their lian li vision compact was good Q_Q

[@BlackThunderRC]

I can blow on my fans while they are unpluged. Does that mean i have wirelass fans now ?

[@HardwareCanucks]

You could say those fans are full of hot air.

[@BlackThunderRC]

@@HardwareCanucks If I were politician then maybe yes.

[@whpony96]

Yow won't have dropped connections with hardwired fans.....

[@WheeledHamster]

You're gonna trust your cooling on Bluetooth, yeah Goodluck.

[@Kongolox]

soooo.. basically fales advertisement?

[@HardwareCanucks]

I don't think they're false advertising, more like using a descriptor that's technically correct but not what most people think of when they think of "wireless".

[@wotzefak-mazafak]

USB Dongle needed? No, thx, bruh

[@Claudethechiefsfan]

But are they good

[@forgottenfox3857]

This is an awful product. If you use VR, you know very well how important limiting your RF congestion is to prevent tracking issues. These fans don't just have issues like a bad product, but they actively disrupt and detract from other systems and hardware by polluting the RF frequencies with unreliable and unnecessary junk. It's that last one is the distinction that takes these fans from a bad product to an awful product. Do not buy.

[@dragonflame9615]

It should not be this complicated

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Less wires*, not wireless

[@mbrosenb86]

Icue is way better than L connect and that’s sad. Lian li software is cooked 😅

[@PATroll_knocking]

Wired, but less

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

7:51 Just lose all the crap, Fan's are meant for COOLING ! Nothing more ! Even led's on an fan, can easily cause several problems ! The 'Arctic P12 Max' ( 3300 Rpm with PWM ) , are just the PERFECT fan's, that anybody need ! OR, even the cheaper 'Arctic P12 PWM PST ' are still ok, for cheaper low-mid builds ( But these have a max, of 1800 Rpm, but still with PWM )

[@greendro6410]

So it's not actually wireless 😂