Home Servers Might Never Be The Same... HexOS Is Here

[@ZaPirate]

Don't try to convince family members to run a home server. They will blame you for everything.

[@ChristopherHailey]

You also end up being their IT department

[@SB-qm5wg]

True that!

[@theglowcloud2215]

Run it for them and charge them a monthly fee 🤪

[@7eis]

I set up mail/web/ftp server at 13 while living at home. Old man wouldn't let it run 24/7 so I asked for mx backup subscription for my birthday. Within a year we repurposed a compact pentium 3 machine to run family and business websites and emails, eventually hosting the cd collection I had ripped to flac. A few hardware iterations later and it is still running - it's been more than 20 years and the family businesses have shut down so it's only used for private mail. If nothing else it gives my dad an excuse to call me which is fine - we don't live forever.

[@ZaPirate]

@@7eis very nice, at that age I was running CS 1.6 servers from home.

[@andreas.grundler]

I think HexOS could be successful if they partnered with a NAS hardware manufacturer. On its own, it will be hard to find customers willing to spend $300 on software in addition to the cost of the hardware.

[@shishsquared]

If they're not already, they need to be looking into this now. I could see this being a cross-manufacturer alternative to something like WD MyCloud or Synology DSM

[@TrueHelpTV]

Considering TrueNAS is so over powered... and free open source *and then there is Proxmox

[@p_mouse8676]

I found the original video on LTT extremely ironic. It was all about bashing on subscription based services and having everything owned by yourself again. The only big catch is that they might end up offering a subscription based license. In that case something like a Synology is much easier. Otherwise, there are so many tutorials online, that it's also not THAT hard anymore.

[@TheAgentGray]

Software with yearly upgrade cost/price for receiving new versions during that time is not a subscription though you still keep the software you had you just don’t get the new updates…

[@YaKillaCJ]

This is my very thoughts. The person who wants to self host on custom hardware, know what all the extra features are but yet don't want to tinker. I like the idea but $300 is an easy no for anyone ya pitch this to. Lets be real, it's for the person ya want to stop freeloading off your Jellyfin/Plex or Google Photos Family account lol

[@VenomKen]

Reliance on third party server to access the management interface of a server I own is always going to make your product dead on arrival. It's the same rule I use for all products. If any product I buy from you has to contact your server to be useful then it is no sale. Learn your lessons folks by reading up on Sonos products, Chamberlain garage door openers and several other products that have pulled or killed products by killing the OEM server they rely on to function.

[@1234fishnet]

As far as I understood you still have the local TrueNas Scale installation and TrueNAS Scale interface and you should still be able to manage your server without HexOS UI

[@frankmthompson]

They have promised to have a local UI by time 1.0 hits. Take that for what it is. Like many say, don't buy software based on promises of future features. For $200 or $300 I would not do it in its current state, but for the $100 BF price i got it for, it was worth the gamble

[@arniespace]

Yeah, like the Harmony remote I paid $300 for.

[@frankmthompson]

@@arniespace I still use all my harmony remotes. So far Logitech has honored their deal to keep all the servers running for existing customers.

[@brianingram1415]

@@arniespace Ugh...thanks for the flashbacks!

[@ChikoDc_Tv]

It certainly won't change anything in my homelab, not because it's not good, but because in a homelab, you're usually looking for free solutions. I agree with the fact that they charge for it. I mean, it's good work, and maybe for a small business with some income, it would be a good and easy choice. Like you said, if you want something that works effortlessly without having to search everywhere for documentation, it could be ideal.

[@brainlessdude]

Homelab is not about being free. That claim is so wrong. Homelab is about what each of us want it to be. I have seen people use Enterprise solutions at home. Not because they have the need. Because they want to. Some people want to tinker. Some just want their stuff to work. Unraids Community is HUGE and its not free.

[@ChikoDc_Tv]

@@brainlessdude Thank you for sharing your perspective, and I completely understand your point. You're absolutely right that homelabs can be whatever we want them to be, and some people choose to use enterprise solutions because they enjoy experimenting or want specific features. In my case, though, I approach my homelab with a focus on free or low-cost solutions because that's part of the challenge and fun for me personally. It pushes me to learn, improvise, and build systems with minimal resources, which is something I value. That being said, I can see why solutions like Unraid have such a strong following. They offer convenience and reliability, which can be appealing depending on someone's goals. At the end of the day, it's all about personal preference and how we define the value of our homelab setups.

[@ChikoDc_Tv]

@@brainlessdude To add to my earlier point, my approach is actually inspired by channels like Hardware Haven, which often emphasize repurposing older hardware and minimizing costs for homelab setups. I really enjoy the idea of giving new life to equipment that might otherwise go unused, all while keeping expenses low. That’s not to say there’s anything wrong with choosing paid solutions like Unraid - it’s just a different philosophy. For me, the challenge of working within constraints and finding creative solutions is part of the fun. But I totally get why others might prioritize ease of use or specific features, and that’s what makes the homelab community so diverse and interesting.

[@michaelgleason4791]

​@@ChikoDc_Tvyep, for me, homelabbing is about both stability and tinkering, which is why I heavily take advantage of VMs and Docker. I love to repurpose old hardware. I bought a Dell t7820 and every part in it is used, connected to a used DAS. Older enterprise gear is awesome for the money. But, with unRAID costing money, I don't think of that as something with which I can tinker. I'll never use HexOS either. The cost is insane, and they didn't even write most of the code. It's "easy" until something doesn't work, because software ALWAYS has bugs, and with it costing so much, the userbase of homelab enthusiasts will be small. So good luck finding community support.

[@szaszm_]

I don't think charging for it is a problem for homelab. But charging as much as they do is certainly a problem. Nope, I won't pay $300 for a NAS OS when I can achieve the same on Debian with a bit more tinkering. I'd pay $30 to save the time.

[@renegeeder]

Have to be honest, for folks who HexOS is intended for, I'd rather point them to a Synology along with C2 Storage for backup.

[@HardwareHaven]

I don’t think that’s the worst option honestly. That being said, I will say that he was much better and much easier when it came to quickly and simply deploying an application like plex.

[@thesuperknot_]

I would genuinely point them to CasaOS instead. It’s almost beginner-proof at this point.

[@HardwareHaven]

But CasaOS isn’t the same thing and doesn’t solve the same problems.

[@SomeGuy.]

@@thesuperknot_ I am just getting into the homelab stuff. I have a fitlet2 that I just put CasaOs on because it’s not going to be a NAS but a docker container machine. CasaOs seems like a poor solution for storage compared to Truenas or Unraid. But I want to run stuff like pihole and home automation docker containers. Plus I want to eventually do a separate NAS. I have been researching docker hosts for a few weeks and everything I found was a NAS focused software with docker being secondary. CasaOs seems to be the opposite. Which is why I am trying it out first. I am a fan of having more baskets to put eggs in. If the NAS is to go down I don’t want DNS broken for the entire network. Just as an example.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

@@HardwareHaven By the time you have paid the $300 and any additional yearly costs they add you are a good way towards a Synology system.

[@shishsquared]

From what I've seen, this isn't for me. And that's okay. I really want this product to succeed though. I really want more people to be okay with the idea of having their own home server

[@HardwareHaven]

This. I’m glad there are rational people that exist haha

[@HardwareHaven]

Does everyone need to learn everything? I like 3D printing, and I can completely understand why people like to dive into the nitty-gritty of it all and build and tinker with their own printers. I just like to buy one that works so that I can print what I need, be happy, and have time for other things. Am I inept for not wanting to treat is as a learning experience? I take my car to a mechanic for some things that I could do myself if I took the time to research, figure out the issue, by the tools I need, etc. But I value my time and make the decision to let someone else handle that. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong... Idk.

[@bzuidgeest]

​@@HardwareHavenno you're not inept for bringing your car to a mechanic, but you are inept for using a mechanic that offers a lifetime service price with a boatload of exceptions. No lifetime service has ever been for life. That's just a scam. At some point they'll switch to subscriptions, likely under a different name and your lifetime license is worthless, as the old product doesn't get updated anymore. It happens constantly. You cannot maintain a commercial product forever for a single price one off payment, the economics don't work. They might be able to delay the inevitable, but only because they build on truenas.

[@Andy-fd5fg]

@@HardwareHaven But would you by the software or hardware as separate entities, only to have to meld them together to get a working solution?

[@doot-doot-JJM]

You likely aren't giving to your grandma, but maybe your co-worker. This doesnt completely remove the learning possibility. It might motivate said co-worker to learn more about this stuff. Since you can also access the truenas interface, it wouldn't be that difficult to get the co-worker started

[@Jeteye2844]

I think the Unraid model would be a asset to HexOS. I started out on the basic Unraid option years ago when all I wanted was just a server with a couple drives to run Plex. But as the years went on and I started my own homelab, and acquired more storage drives, I worked up to their Lifetime license. Today I can see all the benefits that gets me but 4 years ago that was a hard no. People need a cheap solution to their problems today, but they don't know what they will need tomorrow. So be ready to meet their demands later.

[@HardwareHaven]

Great point!

[@ryanmalone2681]

I hope this is a lot better than Unraid. It’s built on TN so that’s already better if they can get a good curated App Store.

[@sidewind131258]

@@ryanmalone2681 that has to be seen, At that pricepoint it better be better than good, like almost : "I want plex, my files are on this disk and I want these users to have access, and grandma that lives on the other side of the Atlantic also can see them" Then the system automatically sets up everything, and shoots a link to grandma to click on and she are connected Another point is that, and I know I am an hippocrit here, I HAVE to log in to a server on the net to do anything on my own server, I use Unraid, but to my defense I'll state that the second your Unraid server are up and running, you can kill the internet, and it still functions until next reboot

[@ali3n_unnwn]

as someone who loves tinkering with hardware and will never buy a prebuilt for anything other than parts, i also work full time so being able to have a home server that will "just work" when i plug in the install usb so i can just throw all my stuff on my drives and spin up the 2 or 3 services i run. then i would be more willing to tinker on the software side on a second nas to get some experience with setting up that stuff from scratch without days or weeks of downtime for my movie or games server. this will be a part of the budget for my next build

[@masterbond9]

yea, same for me. i wake up well before the sun and am usually getting home right at, or after, the sun has gone down monday-friday for work. i have plenty of friends who are completely willing, ready and able to assist me in whatever issues i have in pretty much all of the personal and commercially available server OSes that isnt custom built in house for a company. ive had 2 lenovo thinkcentre SFF PCs for about 6 months sitting above my desk, one of them is completely ready to be deployed, the other needs storage. i have plans for both of them, but no time.

[@DanKaschel]

Yup, this is the target market. Desire to tinker, limited time, good income.

[@svenmichelsde]

The problem is not the 300 USD price tag itself, but the fact that i have no "history" of them providing me evidence to be there in 3 years from now on. Or whatever stunts they might pull at some point. We have seen all of this in the past and i'm pretty sure we will continue to see such things as well in the future. So if you feel like spending the 300 bucks, go fot it. As you said, we usually spend way more money on certain crap over the time. For someone who doesn't really "needs" the easy access/use, i'm backing off paying 300 bucks (for now) and do my stuff on my own.

[@daymianhogue1634]

Honestly thats the one part I'm fairly confident in. They're biggest investors are LTT, and TrueNAS themselves... and the person in charge of it all Jonathan was the CSO of unraid for 8 years.

[@jothain]

​@@daymianhogue1634Businesses investing... Exactly the reason to stay far away as possible. We've seen these before. Buy now for price X and keep it. Only for service to merge with something else or virtually just name change and now price is doubled. Or good looking service is sold to someone else with good money. Etc etc. Now with this case price is insane even if you can't do virtually anything with it properly. Not a single indicator that this is going to be good service for end users.

[@leonro]

Thankfully even if they do go under, you will still be able to fully utilise it since it's truenas under the hood and you can just access it directly without the hexos wrapper. Also the people behind it have a well known and clean track record, which is at the very least a bit encouraging. It's not nearly as untrustworthy as a proprietary OS made by a nobody who might simply disappear one day. It's not for everyone, not by a long shot, but I think it does have a place and $300 is reasonable. Windows is also around $150, which is at a comparable magnitude, and I'd be willing to pay that much if it wasn't infested by adware. Unraid is $250 for a lifetime licence and is probably Hexos's main competitor.

[@daymianhogue1634]

@@leonro Another thing is; honestly $200-300 ish, is probably about what you pay for many of the "off the shelf" nas solutions like synology and such. As said in the video by HH's friend, he paid $200 for lifetime Plex. Compare a $400ish used HP server setup like the recent Z440 HH video + $300 for hexOS to like a $700 Synology or similar NAS? In all that they can each do? and the HexOS setup wins in a lot of ways. Honestly people gawking at the pricing is more so people being uneducated on lifetime licencing pricing in the modern era; because they're so used to just seeing "$25/month" or whatever and not realizing in a year that's $250... Unless you're planning to buy HexOS and drop it after a few months, it's really not badly priced. Otherway of looking at it is... basically if you pay yourself $25/hr? unless you think you're gonna be a truenas master in only14 hours? It pays for itself just in simplification. Let alone, how much would one pay for 1 click Plex setup, 1 click immich setup, etc etc... Even Linus and Jake on LTT both complained about how time consuming it is to setup immich. I was originally upset about the pricing too, thinking it should be $200 permanently... but honestly a couple friends really made some of these comparisons to me, and they were eye opening.

[@DanKaschel]

I don't think current TrueNAS users are the target market

[@znirich]

As someone who is getting ready to make the jump from my NAS to a home built server, this seems like it is aimed right at me. I'm fine with, and even enjoy learning tech parameters to some extent, because my main goal in setting up a home server is to run things (i.e. jellyfin, etc), not learning a server because that is where my passion is. $300 hundred is a deal breaker, honestly $200 is still kinda high for me. It is hard to justify that price to me because, this isn't a from scratch OS, this is just an additional layer on top of TruNas ... free software. I personally think Unraid has a much better pricing model.

[@DanKaschel]

I've been running unraid for many years now. I don't really want to learn TrueNAS but I do want some of its features. I'm considering HexOS so I can easily migrate, then slowly transition to just using TrueNAS directly (except for some of the monitoring and remote access features that HexOS offers). I don't particularly mind the license cost but I get that everybody's situation is different.

[@sidewind131258]

When I heard about HexOS, I was drooling like a dog at the butcher . . . then I saw the pricing . . . Urgh, it was like coming from the sauna into ice water Yes HexOS have (If it holds true) some advantages over Unraid (which I use), but in MY eyes also two distinct drawbacks 1. Pricing, $199 if you want to try at all 2. You HAVE to be hooked up to the internet to do any modifications on your server You can for $49 make a Unraid server with 6 disks, and if it bites you there are 2 higher tiers Okay okay, yes, you also have to be connected to the internet when you start your Unraid server, but once it is up and running, you just cut the internet access to the server, and it runs happily with local dashboard until next reboot (my "big" 21 disk backup sever have run for close to 1 year now, and don't know there are something called the internet)

[@DanKaschel]

@sidewind131258 you can run an Unraid server without ever having access to the internet

[@RyanDWilliamson]

$100 for a 1 server lifetime license makes sense. I could maybe get family to buy into that if it gave me an easy remote management dashboard. It's a no at $200. $300 better get me a lifetime SITE license to run all the servers I want in High Availability mode.

[@Zaptosis]

Yeah $100 seems like a reasonable price for this but their asking way too much at even $200. I think they didn't do enough market research, plus consider the size of their consumer base. It would make sense if they did this & had recurring revenue charging a reasonable amount for hosted services. I may be wrong but I don't see this in its current form being the type of business to make someone "rich" aka at least 10 million dollars in the owners pocket. Less then that & you're just upper middle class when you consider the lifestyle it funds at 4% withdrawal rate a year in investment income.

[@jothain]

But what is a life time license? We've seen these before on online services. They offer listings with insane value and wither away or are sold or company name is virtually only thing that changes and old customers get that "oh btw we're sorry for having to make this change..." message where pricing is completely different. I bought ages ago life time license or what was implied to be that license for 3d slicing and few years ago already got "offer to upgrade". Luckily there was already tons of good free alternatives. Point anyway being that there virtually isn't such a thing as "life time" or there is, but it's counted for business, not for you. Trust me. There's tons and tons of examples of this strategy. Now if beta pricing is already high... Yeah, absolutely no interest here. Hell I have really good "life time" deal currently for SkyShowTime and I'm 100 sure it'll disappear within like 5 to 10 years. Not a question about it

[@AnthonyThomas-o4l]

Why would you need to convince anybody to give you remote access? I handled most "tech" stuff with my parents, nothing overly complicated.

[@AngusCPU]

And it’s in beta. $300 beta test? No thanks. I’ll use the free, tried true and tested TrueNAS Scale for now thanks. If HexOS is still in business 5+ years from now with a solid mature product I would potentially agree with a $300 price tag if it came with an unlimited license.

[@p0358]

@@AngusCPUit’s $200 during the beta though, will only be 300 once it’s stable, but you keep the license if you bought it earlier for 200

[@DIYDaveOK]

I'm beginning to think there's a market out there for tech people like me to set up simple home servers for people.

[@JamesTenniswood]

I hope you enjoy a life in customer service then. Welcome to hell 😂

[@Holycurative9610]

There definitely is, I repair laptops and have done that for over 20 years but setting up a home server is something I've been putting off for years due to the software. If there was a cheap way of getting it set up after the hardware is ready then I'd jump at it and if someone like yourself comes over and sets it up I'd be happy to pay a few bucks.

[@joefratianni8693]

There is but I wouldn't use this, I'd use Synology or Qnap because why pay more for the same thing?

[@ryanmalone2681]

I don’t think it’s more expensive than Syno or QNAP since their hardware is so antiquated, can’t be customized, can’t be serviced, and the hardware is so overpriced…but they’ll still be around in 5 years.

[@ryanmalone2681]

I love the concept. Anything that makes running your own services more accessible is a good thing IMO. The worry I have is that wen something goes wrong, and it will, if you can’t fix it in the simple UI and have to go into attn and make changes, will it confuse HexOS or make it unsupported. That could be really tricky.

[@bhume7535]

I didn't know it doesn't have a local interface AT ALL. I want my stuff locally, that's the whole dang reason I'm hosting my own data. Glad they're listening and plan to add that in the future. If that wasn't happening that automatically breaks the deal for me even though I REALLY want my NAS to be simple. OMV so far stays winning for me.

[@DanKaschel]

I mean, you can currently use the TrueNAS interface locally. But yes I'm glad they're giving local access to the HexOS interface as well.

[@bhume7535]

@@DanKaschel Yeah but then I could just use TrueNAS. Honestly if I'm gonna pay for my NAS OS I'm gonna do Unraid.

[@Griff_Is_Real]

The homeserver demographic is the type who will go hands-on to avoid stupid proprietary nonsense like this.

[@thomaslabrum8182]

unraid is very popular in homelabs, the paid service argument is moot.

[@DIYDaveOK]

Hope you and your family had a great Christmas and have a Happy New Year, Colten!

[@HardwareHaven]

Thanks! Same to you Dave!

[@japzone]

As a tech guy who enjoys fiddling, I'd actually be interested in HexOS once it matures. Sometimes setting up and managing a server/NAS can just be tedious, and I'm not interested in my home server becoming a second job. I'd actually like having HexOS hold my hand, but have the option of diving into TrueNAS when I need to customize something specific, and then jump back out to HexOS afterwards. Definitely needs more time in the oven though. PS: For reference, I currently run a 4-bay Synology. It fits my needs, but I feel like Synology is losing focus and their software quality is being chipped away at. So I'd be interested in rolling my own NAS in the future, with something like HexOS.

[@fruitcrepes4875]

Might be interesting in the future, but requiring WAN and a cloud service is an instant deal breaker for me.

[@bzcup]

These are the prerequisites for a future subscription service. They all do it.

[@fruitcrepes4875]

@@bzcup They don't all do, for example xcp-ng doesn't and pretty sure proxmox doesnt either. You may need networking for the install, but beyond that you can do not need any WAN.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

"Lifetime licence" leaves a wide gap which has already been covered by software vendors like Photoshop that just changes the name to v3, v4 , v 5 for which the original licence does not cover. The solution you offered about restricted drives etc is an already real situation with other NAS software vendors but putting a skin which might be easier to navigate, on someone elses software does make it an overly high priced option. The other thing that comes to mid is if TrueNAS change theirs to a point that this skin doesnt work?

[@HardwareHaven]

Well we can't gripe at subscriptions AND gripe at perpetual licenses lol. If HexOS does something crappy like that, I'll make sure to crap on them. Not sure exactly what else I can do for now other than complain about the price tag.

[@MaxSvcks]

Isnt Openmediavault basically the same as HexOS in terms of simplicity? And its free..

[@bhume7535]

I use OMV and agree that it is fairly simple if all your doing is making shares and stuff, but when something goes wrong it can be VERY confusing trying to wade through the cruft and forum posts to get it fixed.

[@AnthonyThomas-o4l]

As I mentioned above. Maybe Home Labbers are making shhh complicated because they can?

[@sparklycakee23]

no. open media vault is more convulated when compared to hexos

[@0w1Kn1ght]

Not to mention Casa OS, Cosmos. They're not direct competitors but are, if anything, closer to what a total newcomer would want than HexOS is anyway. In terms of 'one click deploy my appps and make them accessible', those seem to beat HexOS handily. And totally free.

[@BenReese]

UnRAID is $250 and I think that's HEX's main competitor. If HEX/TrueNAS could implement something like Synology Hybrid RAID and allow miss-matched drives, it would be a killer product!

[@AlanKlughammer]

Not really sure who this is for. Someone who just wants easy will get a premade NAS. Someone who wants to tinker a little bit, but still have some hand holding (and is willing to pay) might be better with something like UNRAID. Someone who wants to tinker will want a lot more control than this gives. I hope it does well, as more options and more main stream systems is good for the whole ecosystem.

[@RealE-G-k3o]

Not if I don't like pre-built nas hardware.

[@frankmthompson]

It's for people like me. I want easy to setup and maintain with the option of digging deeper into truenas if I want/need. It also allows me to use existing hardware I already own. I don't want to take the time to fully learn truenas to start but this will let me gradually move into it. I'm also hoping it will be easy enough to teach my wife and kids the basics of it in case anything ever happens to me.

[@AlanKlughammer]

@@frankmthompson For less money, you can get an arguably more capable UNRAID system.

[@frankmthompson]

@@AlanKlughammer yes.... There are options. That's a good thing, right? The fact is I prefer zfs to unraid's drive pooling (though I hear unraid is working on zfs support). Also unraid isn't free either, right? It starts at 49, but goes above $100 for 1 year of updates., which means subscription. I got lifetime of HexOS for $100. I feel like I'm ahead. At $200 it's less than 2 years of unraid and at 3 less than 3 years of unraid But in the end, options in any situation is good.

[@nukblack6509]

@@AlanKlughammer And don't forget Unraid have nothing to do with that jerk Linus what is big ++

[@Adam130694]

$200 for re-skin of TrueNAS, my whole NAS setup costs less (Futro S920 + 6 HDDs + 10Gbit NIC...)

[@HardwareHaven]

Cool deal! Don’t buy it then

[@zaid.1271]

that’s crazy! how big are your hdds?

[@Adam130694]

@@zaid.1271 4TB

[@Adam130694]

@@zaid.1271 4TB

[@EVR1AL]

80gb HDDs? 🤡 also why 10Gbit for slow HDDs, I smell insecurity

[@BrentLeVasseur]

By the way Running Plex on an M1 Mac Mini is far better than a self hosted TrueNAS Scale server or even a Hex OS server because the M1 Mac Mini can do transcoding really fast without needing an NVIDIA GPU! So your friend is smart to host Plex on his Mac. The only thing he should consider is offloading his media storage to a TrueNAS server, just to host the large movie files and let the M1 Mac run Plex server and do all the transcoding and media streaming.

[@TotallySlapdash]

Same goes for anything intel from 7th gen onwards, but without the limited IO of the Mac (not that that isn't a good use case for one). There are tons of 7th & 8th gen mini-PCs that go cheap on ebay, many of which have a full size or easily adaptable PCIE slot for expandability; the intel iGPU handles transcoding like a champ (better than most NV GPUs even in terms of performance per watt).

[@RyanProsser0]

Good insight 👍🏼

[@KomradeMikhail]

No, I don't need an alternative GUI skin for TrueNAS to turn it purple colour, for $300 per device.

[@joesimonetti]

Yup...

[@hypnotico7051]

Somebody’s gonna open source a competing version in a few years.

[@zid2714]

200$ for a truenas skin is mad

[@samsalasky]

So, I think I am actually very similar to your friend. I watch your channel because I like to see people do cool things with tech. I love the idea of having NAS backups and Plex servers. However, I don't have the desire to setup a full home lab and tinker with network configs as well as something like TrueNAS or ProxMox. When I heard about the black friday pricing it was totally worth it since I have a couple NAS devices from kickstarters (ZimeCube and UGreen) that I just haven't setup completely for lack of drive. But I also had the same gut feeling of I better purchase at this price because $300 PER SERVER is not worth it to me for what I want to do. But at $99 it was a no brainer. I have yet to set it up because I'm waiting for a lot of the beta testing to wrap up

[@darkknite2k11]

$300 for reskinned free software?

[@ltpinecone]

Best way to put it I think.

[@aquatheuselessgoddess]

My thoughts exactly!

[@guesswho2778]

it does a bit more than that. anyone who has actually used truenas before can see that in the setup process for a network share.

[@darkknite2k11]

@@guesswho2778 I am running truenas scale on a 6 disk server that I built. It is a little intimidating at first, but once you know your way around it's not so bad.

[@kajraske2002]

The main thing I dislike *especially* about the partnership is a worry about how much TrueNAS might push away home use. Every once in a while i get confused about TrueNAS choices where the justification ends up being "TrueNAS is designed for enterprise use." It's not about it being difficult, it's about some aspects of a home server getting completely undeveloped.

[@octorox_animation]

You can buy a two bay NAS for $300 that comes with software...

[@phychmasher]

Yes but can you scratch that TechKZbinr FOMO itch unless you buy the new thing they're all using?

[@cdnron75]

Exactly. The two bay NAS would be a great solution for someone less tech savvy. I don't really see the market for HexOS. It's supposed to be aimed at less tech savvy people but these less tech savvy people aren't paying $300 for a license alone. It's skinned TrueNAS Scale, something I already use and know how to configure so it's not aimed at me either or most other homelabbers.

[@mises3221]

My issue is that HexOS is essentially TrueNAS with all of the defaults filled in correctly, if TrueNAS populated them correctly when installing an app, but gave all the options, there would be almost no need. I also believe that should be the case anyways. But as an avid homelaber somewhere in between wanting to tinker and stuff to just work I did buy it to try anyhow.

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

If you pay yourself $25/hour, it'd need to save you 12 hours over doing it yourself to be worth it. If you pay yourself $50/hour, it'd need to save you 6 hours to be worth it. I really don't see how this makes sense unless you have extremely little tech experience, in which case how did you even hear about the idea of a home server like this?

[@TotallySlapdash]

* unless you bought it for the $99 introduction price, at which point it's almost a no brainer. I suspect the $300 price is so that they can wipe their face and keep the lights on through people who will 'buy it now' regardless, or those who are setting it up for somebody else professionally and aren't footing the final bill, while having occasional $150 / 50% off sales where they get the bulk of their users.

[@daymianhogue1634]

6-12 hours is a decent chunk of time but also, in terms of learning all the ins and outs of truenas, and all the applications and such? That's actually not an unreasonable amount of time. Plus, it's $199 for the forseeable future while it's in beta, plus we'll probably see more black friday deals or something on occassion.

[@muhammadosama3358]

I like your analogy and you're absolutely right

[@jothain]

​@@TotallySlapdashhow is that a no brainer? You can't do virtually anything with it. No I don't account "in testing" features to be used in paid product.

[@shadowlerone]

Okay call me crazy but I think the price is pretty reasonable, though I do think it could benefit from being segmented as you said. In music software land, full "pro" version of software can have perpetual licenses of over $450, but have entry level pricing around the $99 mark (some even have a free tier). When I started music production and exploring messing around with the software, I started on the free tier before upgrading to the $99 tier and then finally to the $300 tier. I think this software could benefit from both a $99 version and a free, quite limited tier (maybe the free tier is just a single drive, and doesn't even run any apps, idk).

[@jeremybarber2837]

This is actually my first HexOS video and I greatly enjoyed it. Thanks for the overview!

[@bader51500]

If the license wasn’t per server but instead allowed for a number of servers (let’s say 5) to be connected to a single license, then the $300 price would be justifiable. However, with the current situation, it’s not. By the way, I already got a license when it was $99, and at that price, it’s acceptable if the license is per server.

[@H2VPROEternal]

People from England say this man speaks too fast.

[@DIYDaveOK]

Don't think I'd ever be in the market for this as I'm a "bare metal" Linux geek and just not a fan of subscription based/cloud based services, but I suppose there might be a market for it. I think we're getting ready to see an entirely new world of security issues related to all cloud-based services.

[@frankmthompson]

The good thing is they have said they will have local ui by time 1.0 hits and this isn't subscription based (though I thought there was an option for it like Plex). Again take the promise of the local ui by 1.0 with a grain of salt.

[@EhEhEhEINSTEIN]

I'm like your friend. I'm techie and I know I could figure out all the things necessary to have a sweet little homelab, but realistically, I just need a box that holds movies and music that my other computers and phone can access. It's a 8th gen pentium based system that I'm into for a total of $52. Right now, it literally just runs windows with media streaming turned on. I go into VLC on my other devices and play stuff through the UPnP thing. Handles 4k movies fine so I'm happy. Once I fill up the 4tb drive, I'm going to get 2-3 12tb or 14tb drives from serverpartdeals and setup stablebit drivepool and snapraid. I'll actually be ~$300 into that machine at that point, but there is a zero chance I'd spend another $300 on the software to run the thing.

[@zaid.1271]

One of my worries is that an app or a truenas update causes hex os to fail in some way. The app devs and truenas aren’t a part of the same team, so i’d like to see how that’s going to be handled. It feels like there’s going to be a game of catchup.

[@HardwareHaven]

Same!

[@sku2007]

@@HardwareHaven as they have a partnership, I would expect this to work ?

[@sp3lllz]

My understanding is that once they do plan to offer a subscription license after they hit 1.0

[@madtech2010]

That's a better business model and would make sense to sustain the product. LTD to seed the project and subscriptions to sustain.

[@ViktarTheBarbarian]

I do think it's pretty funny that the people that this aimed at would probably struggle with the idea of flashing an installer to a USB. Neat idea but I have my doubts.

[@elfwyn8707]

I got 2 lifetime licenses for 100$ each, just to have the option once the product has matured. Currently I run both a Qunap and a Synology NAS at home, but they won't last forever. Once those machines have reached their end of life I will give Hex OS a chance, but only if they have a fully local setup by that time. Im a network turtle when it comes to data security. I had some good experiences with the Synology NAS so far. It performed way better than my Qnap NAS though it cost only half as much and on paper had far less performance. However Synologys restrictive Hardware policies make me think multiple times before buying more of their stuff.

[@ivne]

I think many people here miss the fact that there are people out there who full and well know how to setup a NAS for themselves but either do not want to or have the time to put into maintaining it, which is part of the target group this OS is aimed at. Its not going to replace truenas or any other software for that matter, it just provides a hassle-free and easy to maintain option for running a nas. And for many thats worth 300$. Not everyone wants to be an enthusiast all the time and if u are different, no need to buy this :)

[@CoalitionGaming]

Got it in the black Friday sale too. I plan on checking it out next year though when i can afford to finally build a NAS the way i want. Will see how it goes.

[@ChristopherHailey]

TrueNAS Scale is basically a UI on top of Linux. This nontrivial because they had to build a distribution and write the UI. The idea of putting a simple alternative UI is a good idea. The thing is I think they are going about it in not the best way, personally they lost me at cloud managed. I used TrueNAS for quite a while and I feel it does not really fit my needs and I decided to just use Linux for my NAS and put together my own UI. This is certainly not a reasonable solution for most people, it's just that I'm a developer with many years of experience and know how to do this. I just really want file sharing and apps running in Docker and maybe a VM or two, this is all actually done in Linux, but putting it together was quite a bit of work. It fits my needs exactly because I made it, but it's not reasonable to think this is a solution for 99.9% of people. This is why the concept of HexOS is good, two different interfaces for two different use cases. I'm just not sure they are going about it right. I hope I'm wrong

[@wlfwlker3704]

I'm in agreement with your thoughts and hesitations. I went to school for a two-year networking degree. By the time I completed the program, I was obsolete. Now I am so far behind the curve that I would need just such a product for a setup/system that would be good. I am so fed up with this fact that I don't believe I even truly own my computer, phone, and tablet because I don't have the desire or time to research everything thoroughly enough to feel confident about developing a home system. I do not keep up with the newest gen of anything and only upgrade when the hassle is outweighed. I've wanted to set up my own server and storage without the cloud but haven't had the time to fully investigate and invest in such a system. Keep up the good work.

[@TheFullTimer]

It's a nope from me, Dawg. I'm not going to list competitors, but over the past decade they've each carved out niches with the best Storage/Docker/VM support. There's no reason to make the newest market entry the highest entry price. Pricing your product above market is not normal. That's behavior to attract speculative investors or cross-licensing. Assuage fears with a promise that the upfront cost will show quick investment returns after the expense of marketing. A slower and more measured fee structure would inspire more confidence that they want to build a community of users and promoters over years of development.

[@HardwareHaven]

I definitely agree on the price. To be clear though.. I’m not trying to sell this to anyone lol

[@TheFullTimer]

Yeah, I think I was too knee-jerk and needed to reassess. Didn't even realize you replied until I came back to the video to let it play again (audio). My opinion of their marketing and pricing is the same. It's bad and sus. That's a strategy for short lived startups that rely upon hitting the most optimistic of projections & stars aligning.

[@bzuidgeest]

​@@HardwareHavenno, but mentioning all those KZbin influencers you do endorse it. And that might end up costing your fans if this hexos drains your fans wallets and ends up unsupported or as a subscription service in a few years. Lifetime guarantees never last long.

[@HoldenTG]

Man, when LTT's HexOS announcement video came out I was wishing you'd make a video about it as well. Hope the video shares some comparisons to how Unraid works but even if that's not covered, I'm glad my wish came true! 😄

[@HardwareHaven]

Maybe a HexOS vs Unraid video might be worth looking at!

[@paulyeomans1065]

As soon as I realised that 'Trust Me Bro'" Linus was involved, it's a hard "NO!" from me.

[@oiytd5wugho]

it kinda feels like they don't have a product _yet_ and won't have one for quite a while still. Like, you can buy it now, but you'd be buying a promise basically. Also, in order to get this thing sold at enough volume they _need_ to work with a hardware vendor of some sort. The easy-to-use BUT "go and get a server and all the drives, check if it can do your workload. Do you need a GPU with it?..." seems a little counterproductive as far as goals for this product go.

[@GodOfPixies]

I actually think your idea of segmenting its functionality at a lower price point is a great option. Especially if it was something you could upgrade piecemeal until you reach a full unrestricted license.

[@CaseyHancocki3luefire]

No local access means this is a no-go for me and anyone I support with tech support.

[@themainc]

I'm litterally a CISCO certified network administrator running my own home lab with virtual machines, and one of my favourite tools of all time is CasaOS, just because of how easy it is. Docker and Portainer are both supposed to be 'easy', but I rarely have anything go right. When it doesn't, I look up at the time and realise I'm six hours of troubleshooting into this ten minute job. I am so sick of CLI and SSH and I just want a clean, mouse driven GUI that's intuitive. Unlike most home users, I have the ability to set everything up manually, and yet I find my VM running CasaOS is where I've ended up hosting the majority of my services. I would pay for a perpetual license if HexOS meets expectations. My major caviate is that I have to be able to self-host everything locally with no cloud connection required (having it as an option is okay) and I need unlimited installs, not tied to a single machine. I spin up and nuke VMs all the time so a single license tied to a single machine would be useless to me. Curious to hear what other people think.

[@TheSparkybon]

You’re getting very close to something like synology DS224+ price wise at 300. You have turnkey solution with one click Plex for example. And whilst not as user friendly unraid starts at 50 🤷‍♂️

[@michaelgleason4791]

2:25 I was really hoping the sponsor was going to be CasaOS😂

[@rehova]

You lost me at linus 😞

[@Bouipi]

from what you've shown, I think it's great for "IT for dummies" with the term with K.I.S.S (Keep It Simply Simple). I hope they'll set it up for isolated network for those who don't feel comfortable using cloud. If that $300 USD or $483 AUD that steep for me and I wouldn't try it. If they made a packet license (Bronze, Silver, Gold?) or adjust the price per country. $300 AUD. I understand they've got employees to pay, I understand that, but price is the issue for me.

[@anime_reference]

I'm not really sure why you'd use this over unraid, which is also plenty easy and starts at $50

[@phychmasher]

One of the guys who made Unraid made HexOS and thought he could just release super similar software and steal away business from Unraid. We will see if it works.

[@v0ldy54]

It's going to be super hard to take away the market share from Unraid, I've been tinkering with various NAS OSs lately and i have to say that Unraid definitely has a reason to exist, for example it was literally the only one which could handle HDD spindown without any issue and with a very easy GUI. IDK why it's so hard for other NAS software to do HDD spindown, it drives me (hehe) mad.

[@basix250]

As a software engineer who likes to keep things on my home but lacks the time to do so, this is really appealing. Although I resorted to just buying a Synology gear but this could be a great option if this becomes mature.

[@druxpack8531]

i'm thinking this languishes as a stand-alone product and eventually gets 100% acquired by iX systems and officially becomes part of trunas. Some good ideas are just not that good at standing on their own...no shame in that, interesting product.

[@TrTai]

There's definitely a market, but without some more development time, it's extremely niche. with some more time it'd be nice for something that I don't mind setting up but no one wants anything too crazy to management. Once it's fully locally available it'll be an easier sell. 300 bucks isn't insane, a lot of people just don't know the value of software and support anymore but it needs an easier entry point at least for that specific reason, even if that's a subscription option or having a backed hardware solution to soak some of the cost, or having price-tiering like you mentioned. Once the buddy backup solution is up and running (and a couple nitpiks get sorted) , I'd be tempted to have it as a stable-state machine in my lab and one at like my parents house so they can have something and we can do offsite backups within our control should anything happen since I'm currently too busy to sort out another solution for it.

[@summoner2100]

The problem with this, is the people with "home servers".. are people that are technical. The average user ain't going to bother having their own server. So simplifying it defies the point. Let alone paying for HexOS.

[@jothain]

Yeah. Plus for average Joe it honestly makes a ton more sense to just buy like Google whatever basic subscription and be like 10 000x more sure that your data won't be destroyed because of hardware. That 300 bucks buys a lot of months and comes with zero effort. With this it's still mandatory to know basics of running server, doing offsite backups for critical data etc. It's not like I'll throw 300 bucks PLUS hardware and be done with it for years to come.

[@phucnguyen0110]

Happy Friday + holiday to you and your family, Colten!

[@HardwareHaven]

Same to you!

[@BandanazX]

$300!!! Yeah nah. TrueNAS has a bit of a learning curve but once it's setup it's mostly fine. For $300 you could pay someone to setup your TrueNAS and media server systems for you, while learning about the setup/config. Hard pass.

[@czanderrr]

The flexibility of Unraid storage is gonna make it hard for me to consider anything else

[@nerdaboutit]

Why would one pay to make their homelab not work as a homelab but some cloud connected "easy" to use system

[@M4CHINE69]

Yeah I thought the point of homelabs to make it not be cloud based

[@oiytd5wugho]

because you're not getting a homelab. That's not the point, you're getting a local cloud services OS - which is a _part_ of a lot of homelabs, but is missing the "lab" part. If you wanna learn sysadmin/virtualization/networking you should put 300$ towards hardware instead

[@ppandgg]

$150 package u mentioned does seem very enticing. As some one who lives in another country where the U.S Dollar is not the main currency, with exchange rates and all in mind, this package makes a lot more sense.

[@jorenmartijn]

I don't see the point of it. It's just TrueNAS under the hood but they want €200 for it?!

[@jorenmartijn]

@ that’s even worse…

[@DaveAndrus]

Getting TrueNAS set up with basic shares is pretty much a no-brainer for someone with just a bit of networking experience. But then getting the ACL set up with the proper accounts, UID's and permissions (including the apps that ALSO need ACL entries), along with setting up even something simple like Plex was HARD for anyone new to TrueNAS. Even though I had previously set up Plex on a ProxMox server, I spent many hours just trying to get it to work the first time on TrueNAS., almost to the point that I was ready to abandon TrueNAS altogether. KZbin was sorta helpful, but much of the advice was based on older (as much as 4 years old) versions of the TrueNAS UI. I was left with incomplete info that just plain ol' didn't work on the newer versions. HexOS is trying to address this very issue that I first experienced. It's not a random choice that they decided to use the Plex app as their first demo. It just works--which is something I would've killed for after wasting hours. Now that I'm a TrueNAS "pro" (note the quotes--I think I am), I don't need HexOS, but I suspect many folks are in the same place I was at first, and would easily trade $$ for their time and frustration. We all have to decide individually on our version of the "time = money" equivalency.

[@anshulsingh8326]

Well I don't know how people price their products, but 300$ seems too high. But Atleast it's better than subscription mode.

[@Emenblade]

Yeah it's a really hard sell, you still have to buy the hardware, and unraid does exist. And is cheaper, and is also pretty easy to setup. And has cloud based server dashboard access, and has easy to setup docker container stuff, and has easy network sharing. Don't get me wrong unraid does require a bit more knowledge to setup in the first place. But it's not a crazy amount more. You're not in a terminal ssh-ing into the thing. There's a proper Gui and stuff. I dunno, as an unraid guy, I totes see the benefits of having a home nas, and do think a lot of people would find them very handy, so making them more accessible to people is a good thing. But I wonder how big of a segment of people we're talking about here. It just doesn't seem that much easier than unraid, and still seems too much of a leap for the people it would be for. I think comparing the whole cost including reasonable hardware VRS using cloud based solutions built into their phones and what not would be the real metric to look at.

[@paulhcahill]

$300 ...? no way. The Ubiquiti Nas is $499 (when you can get one), TrueNas is free...that just seems like a lofty goal for a price.

[@shishsquared]

Wow these comments are interesting to look through. So many mad people that this product isn't targeting or marketed towards them. More diversity in the marketplace is a good thing guys. Excellent video HH

[@madtech2010]

I grabbed 2 licenses on the BF deal... I really like the idea of the backup buddy feature. Yeah, it may be a wrapper on an existing application, but it will save a lot of time. Yes, I can configure without the wrapper, but just like web services, web, email, SFTP... etc. Good to know CLI but using a management interface like Plesk, Direct Admin, Webmin and more saves a huge amount of time. That's where I see this as a "work smarter, not harder" solution.

[@Kevin-h5c4b]

Been using it for about three weeks now, and it’s fantastic! I had a spare PC that I threw two HDDS in, installed HexOS, and that’s it! I’m using it as my plex and Immich server, with a nice little file share for me and my girlfriend. It’s my first time with a home server and it has given me everything I’ve needed for my use-case. Looking forward to seeing what new features are implemented in the future!

[@sloraris]

I really liked the idea of this OS and was super looking forward to it dropping. The inability to access locally, the price, and the need to completely wipe and redo my TrueNAS install just to run a Truenas skin however, killed my excitement. Maybe I’ll regain my interest after they iron things out, but this is a hard no until then.

[@that_guy1211]

bruh, needing to pay for a operating system that's basically docker containers? HELL NO!

[@_Turbocat777]

I nabbed this because as much as I have my own custom NAS it's literally just a Windows machine and I've tried a few times for the last couple years to figure out docker and can't get anything working so I don't see making things easier a bad thing. Cause like most people that have talked about this While I like tinkering I don't wanna have to every single time I wanna make something work.

[@thepathnotfound]

LTT is the last place I would go for information.

[@Mrhorribubble]

ive tried all the nas options and settled on a proxmox server with openmediavault running a nas. its just very easy to setup and modify without permissions breaking.

[@Hellboy_109]

can you run HexOS on VM in like proxmox?

[@BrennanWest85]

Yep, I tried it out and it works!

[@augurseer]

@@BrennanWest85neat. Ty.

[@MatthiasTheMouseWarrior]

I think HexOS will be very useful for those who want something more than a basic prebuilt NAS but don't want to go full custom. While $300 for a license may be a lot, a decent NAS can cost $600-800. you could get an older, but still powerful and very capable computer for less than $300; and adding the HexOS license would bring the total in-line with prebuilt systems. The license is also lifetime so a future upgraded NAS would be cheaper. I would expect HexOS to have longer support than other prebuild NAS solutions since it is not ties to specific hardware.

[@zek62482]

The insane number of distros is both a strength and weakness in the Linux world, and I fear the same thing is happening with NAS and server OSes. What happened to just configuring your OS to meet your needs? Why make a separate distro?

[@demon2441]

Because if the OS isn't under your control, it may go in a direction that completely borks your customization/programs. Alternatively, it may be abandoned by the devs with you unable to give it the updates it needs. I completely agree with your sentiment and want a non-windows, non-mac, non-chrome OS, but there are no easy solutions for this issue.

[@EVR1AL]

@@demon2441 dietpi distro easy solution

[@GameCyborgCh]

HexOS isn't even a distro it's just a second web UI for Truenas

[@zek62482]

@demon2441 I get why different distros exist. I just believe there are too many. Lost count of how many people (even tech-savvy people) that never give Linux a chance due to being intimated by so many choices.

[@WillFuI]

I never thought about that cheaper stripped down option. I think that could be a very good choice for a lot of people.

[@LogicLathe]

Heres an analogy. I really love working on my car and doing my own repairs and maintenance. Its not a car i depend on, as i work from home, but i like to make sure its running well and looks nice. Its a toy. But with 2 small kids, a full time job and garage too full to fit it, I would rather spend the money and have someone i trust work on it for me and it be done. I can "pop the hood" and make some adjustments to dial it in when i have some time but atleast the more annoying and/or important bits are already handled.

[@corombb]

I feel like Hex could also offer a limited duration subscription that converts to a lifetime subscription once you've hit $300 spent. $25/mo for 12 months with the option to cancel at any time feels like a great balance between price and duration - if you use it for 2 months and decide you don't need it, you've only spent $50, but if you do like it then you're not being trapped into a indefinitely long subscription.

[@corombb]

If they're in dire need of the up-front money, maybe upping the pay-over-time option to $30/mo to incentivize buying the $299 license to save $60, or doing a split like $100 up-front with the remained done $15/mo over 12 months?

[@GeoStreber]

Cloud dashboard? That's an immediate no deal for me. The cloud is just someone else's computer. Having a cloud dashboard defeats the entire purpose of having a homeserver in the first place.

[@p0358]

They should make something like an optional subscription for $10 for around 3 years, after which it’s converted to lifetime. Easier to swallow without upfront investment. Possibility to pay the remainder at any time to convert it to lifetime earlier. Could cancel at any time if it’s not meeting the demands, could resume the subscription later. I think a lot of people would appreciate something like that.

[@ws_stelzi79]

So this is basically a "cloud" kind of NAS but with your own hardware at home that you basically installed a TrueNas with a fancy cloud management in the cloud that you can't fully admin locally? Basically the BMW seat heating you get a lifetime license for. 🤔🙄

[@phhowe17]

Right. And when the cash flow from new sales dries up the 2.0 version will be a $ upgrade or subscription. If there was local admin I could just stop upgrading at some point.

[@1234fishnet]

As far as I understood you still have the local TrueNas Scale installation and TrueNAS Scale interface and you should still be able to manage your server without HexOS UI. So HexOS makes things easier but it still works without it

[@ws_stelzi79]

@@1234fishnet so basically an easy installer and a somewhat dumbed down interface in the cloud for a TrueNas Scale instance at home you have to pay $300? Question: If there is REALLY that much of a need for this why hasn't TrueNas Scale such an UI in the cloud in the first place? 🤔

[@GsrItalia]

Currently HexOS can be summarized as... a bet. Because the actual lifetime price is a way to raise funds and continue the development of the application, without any commitment to the buyers. No kickstarter: no refund if the project does not go to 1.0 No loan: no interest nor refund at the end of the "project" when become a "product". No share: no profit share if the product start selling. The "buyer" can win only a lifetime licence instead of a subscription license in the (promised yet not delivered) future. And it's not cheap, because for 300 USD you can have a lifetime licence for Unraid and save some bucks. No judjment here...

[@HenryArduino]

Here comes the backlash

[@HardwareHaven]

Yep. Lol

[@augurseer]

No. No. We can be civil. I swear. I hope. Plz! Lol

[@HardwareHaven]

Some can. Some can’t watch a video before compulsively typing something in the comments lol

[@HenryArduino]

Some just see and hate it

[@phhowe17]

I can see paying for the product. It is locking my access down to a portal that I object to. Add local access and I could consider it.

[@DavidJones-pi8rl]

If I had not been invested in the Unraid ecosystem for more than 5 years and I had not been recently forced into retirement, I would have bought a license for HexOS during their Black Friday sale. I now have my Unraid Pro Plus license and have been relatively happy with the upgrades being delivered, I think it is unlikely I will change now! But,.... you never know until a product fails you.

[@tvojejbabkydedko]

would be open to try out hex os, but for that price AND for EACH server, lol no thanks

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah I wish they had a trial. Maybe that’s something they’ll offer once it’s released? I think they have a 30 day refund option, but that’s obviously not exactly the same.

[@Walaby50]

I bought the license on Black Friday as well and I was already thinking about not doing it for the price then. At the end what made me pull the trigger was, that I love tinkering on PCs and Servers, but the end of the day I mainly need a working server for my work as a freelance broadcast engineer. For that I just need a simple and quick to setup interface ideally that I can hand to other people as well if they would need to work a job for me. Obviously I was kinda buying into the system that HexOS will be not what it is now. I usually don't do that, but I had some investment cash left soooooo 😂

[@bruceritchie7613]

I stopped watching a soon as i heard the ui was cloud only. I dont mind paying at all and this is pretty much targeted at me - home server replacement but i have no time to tinker but I won't use something that requires a cloud UI for my internal systems.

[@HardwareHaven]

Well then you missed the part about the local UI coming later, but cool

[@bruceritchie7613]

@HardwareHaven Thanks for the reply. I saw that actually, but I'll reserve judgement if or when that comes out.

[@HardwareHaven]

Totally fair! If they don’t get around to having a local UI it will be pretty tough for me to recommend to people

[@HardwareHaven]

Also sorry if I was a bit snippy. Having a bit of a rough day plus some annoying comments. Bad combo lol.

[@bruceritchie7613]

@HardwareHaven No worries mate. I appreciate the review and the replies. I am looking for a replacement for my synology with more power (synology's are so underpowered) so I was excited to hear about this. If they do in fact co.e out with a fully functional local UI i would probably buy it. The free solutions are nice but my time is limited and I just don't want to spend it setting up systems anymore.

[@jonathanzj620]

"Battery is almost dead but we did it." -me leaving any large social gathering.

[@Naddel81able]

why not just use unraid?

[@HardwareHaven]

Because they have different features.

[@Naddel81able]

@@HardwareHaven maybe you could do a comparison on those. would be interesting.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah, that might not be a bad idea!

[@nukblack6509]

@@HardwareHaven Really? and witch are those features? Unraid 7.0 RC1 is out and has ZFS support for people who are crazy for ZFS.Zima OS is out of beta stage and it is free so this Truenas skin have no future in my oppinion for that price.

[@AnthonyThomas-o4l]

I don't know why Open Media Vault gets knocked. The main problem with it is the way it handles virtual machines but except for some special uses cases the need to run a virtual machine is drastically reduced.

[@AndrewBawitlung]

ZIMAOS killed HEXOS [SPOILER!]

[@MinutesB4Midnight]

THIS ONE ☝️

[@Briggsby]

I think the buddy-backup is going to be a suprisingly huge part of its success, if it does succeed. I also think they should, like everyone else is saying, partner with a respected and popular NAS producer, they're unlikely to find massive adoption at $300/server for their apparent target market otherwise. I could be ass backwards, and maybe this really blows up and everyone wants their own server in the next gear or two.

[@logiclust]

Hex is a bit limited, so hard pass for now

[@subject8123]

$300 for an interface… it would be one thing if they also made the underlying software but they just make a wrapper that’s gonna end up broken every time Truenas gets updated.

[@michaelgleason4791]

Believe it or not, some of us can't stand Linus and actively avoid watching his garbage content. When I saw hiw much a license for this is after watching techno Tim's video, I just had to laugh. When i found out it was a Linus project, it all made sense and I ruled out this nonsense completely.

[@nukblack6509]

I'm one of those who really don't want to have absolutly nothing to do with projects having to do with Linus .