Fast networking is cheaper than you think.

[@TalpaDK]

Actually being limited by the drives is kind of nice, it just means that it is more or less just as good as having the drives installed locally, but with the added benefit of the drives being available to multiple computers.

[@RobinCernyMitSuffix]

+ added latency, network always adds latency.

[@magfal]

​@@RobinCernyMitSuffixhalf the senior developers I've worked with are incapable of processing this thought.

[@RobinCernyMitSuffix]

@@magfal then they are only senior in age ;) Also, network adds IOPS limitations too

[@RobinCernyMitSuffix]

@@davorzdralo8000 yes. Of course, if you just use it as bulk storage it's fine. But if push a decent amount of IOPS, you will feel the difference.

[@XiaolinDraconis]

@@davorzdralo8000 bro I missed a headshot cause I was gaming on a NAS. Wait, why was I even doing that. Nevermind, carry on.

[@denvera1g1]

FYI it took us ~5 years to go from 10/100 to cheap gigabit in the home But we've been stuck on gigabit in the home for almost 20 years, when businesses moved to 40G over a decade ago, and are already on 400G To me, we should have cheap 10-28G as ubiquitous at this point. The fact that gigabit has stayed around the same price for so long is criminal to me.

[@neolordie]

tbf, rarely do one need 10gb, transfer in the home is mostly rooter to pc, not a lot of people have nas or anything extra on the network, and gigabit is not limiting at all for internet use

[@FAB1150]

​@@neolordie Well, gigabit was way more than necessary when it came to consumers too.

[@GroSak-TV]

​@@FAB1150gigabit but who really need 10gig?

[@walberg61]

@@neolordie Speak for yourself, i have also Nas for Plex, What do you think how many time you must wait before 4Tb is backupped, on 1G, more than a day, of course you must also have fast storage, Mac mini have fast storage, So do my Qnap 464. For internet it is not a problem.

[@zhen86]

Easy answer, how many home internet has more than 1gbps?

[@gustersongusterson4120]

Wake me up when we have affordable 2.5g / 10g managed switches.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah that'll be cool when we get there. Affordable and unmanaged is still nice though

[@user-xv1vm5xc1f]

Unmanaged you can get half the price haven did

[@maTTkogusgus]

If you can accept fiber than MikroTik is your path: CRS310-8G+2S+IN for 219 USD or CSS610-8G-2S+IN for 119 USD or CRS305-1G-4S+IN for 149 USD. If you want more 10G ports here you have CRS309-1G-8S+IN for 269 USD.

[@Cheebful]

Mikrotik

[@duduoson1306]

Mokerlink

[@AndysAlias]

The NICs are coming down in price but the Switches still seem pricey, also 10g RJ45 stuff runs HOT! I don't need 10g so obviously I went out and spent 400 quid on upgrades...

[@marklewus5468]

Great work as always. I purchased a QSW-2104-2T-A to upgrade from 1G to 2.5/10. I installed new wire for the single 10G run from NAS / switch rack to my main PC. But I have had success with 2.5G over my existing old timey unshielded cat 5 (no bloody e!) cable that I installed in the late 90s. Runs are only 20-40m but it all works.

[@thenextension9160]

it works because network stack supports retransmission. if signal integrity is compromised errors will show up in other parts of the stack but ethernet and tcp/ip will resend packets to compensate. this is by design as telecom cables exists in the real world and deal with lots of crap. however you will loose performance and increase latency as a consequence

[@Elemino]

Just something to remember: The file transfer protocol in Windows over the network is single threaded. At some point, you won't be able to go any faster unless you have a faster CPU.

[@RENO_K]

Damn that's archaic 😂 i mean windows is built ontop of a legacy system I'm not surprised

[@outhouse.wholesaler]

What about if you use a third party file transfer like TeraCopy? Or is it still limited to single thread because it would still have to use the Windows FTP?

[@Elemino]

@@outhouse.wholesaler I haven't looked into it much, but from what I understand it's an application limitation. Using a third party application that is multi-threaded should provide better results.

[@joshuaspires9252]

i have noticed my best speed transfers to the nas is when i have a couple files moving at the same time,, Granted that is with the synology drive application,, lol,,

[@asakayosapro]

Isn’t there some sort of BitTorrent based network file transfer programs that can multi thread? Then there’s Free Download Manager….

[@DBTechYT]

Did you enable jumbo packets/frames on your Windows machine to enable a larger Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) size for data being sent over a network?

[@HardwareHaven]

You ask that question as if I know what I'm talking about! Haha, no but I'll look into it

[@DBTechYT]

@@wojtek-33 I get that. As long as you don't go too crazy with it, things should be fine. I've got mine set to 9014 and get much more consistent traffic speeds

[@dimedriver]

Jumbo frames are basically a requirement with high bandwidth networks. Even 1gig will not live up to its full potential without it enabled. It needs to be enabled on your work station, your file server, and the switch ports. If you run a packet sniffer like Wireshark you can see that it's working.

[@ZoidTechnology]

10GBASE-T NICs get HOT! If you're strapping a fan to the card, it's a good idea to disable temperature control for the fan header and set a constant speed. As the fan controller can't see the card's temperature, it can set the fan speed too low to cool it properly. I had this problem with an X540 and designed a PCIe card fan mount with an inbuilt controller. I could send you one if you'd like?

[@HardwareHaven]

I should’ve said something in the video, but those fans are just on a set RPM. There’s no curve. But that sounds like a really cool solution you made!

[@virtualjoedub]

If you loose a screw in carpet, take a sock, slide it over the end of your vacuum cleaner, and use it as a strainer as you go over the area. saved my butt a few times. lol

[@Nalianna]

or just walk with bare feet. it'll quickly stab your foot. :)

[@chaostropy]

@@Nalianna this !!!

[@unrealbot3027]

​@@Naliannagood ol' lego method

[@IAmPattycakes]

I have a very strong neodymium magnet for this exact purpose. Less finicky hunting down those things.

[@tb9359]

Another option...don't work over carpet. :) But those screws can jump a long way. hee hee. Look further away than you first assume.

[@Blewis-Diarrheo]

I think I've identified what I like most about this channel. It's that it doesn't come from a place of expertise - it comes from a place of "let's see what happens and figure it out" and I think that is inspiring for all of us who are just trying to experiment and enjoy ourselves

[@L4X1K3]

upgrading networking for local file transfer is like buying a new monitor for gaming it's almost guaranteed you will want to upgrade your GPU afterwards to keep up with your better resolution

[@HardwareHaven]

Spot on, lol

[@fiveangle]

I've been running 4Gbit (4x 1Gbit trunked) on my server and workstation for about a decade using all ex-enterprise gear that I got for pennies and/or free, but these little switches are actually getting so reasonable and low powered that it seems finally the time to move to a simpler hw configuration :) Thanks for the review and detailing your experiences.

[@charlesdean03]

lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!

[@thecoffeez]

Nice to see you finally out of the dark ages of networking :D Just kidding! My home lab still has a 10/100 switch in it, and I am still running 10/100/1000 NICs, but now you've made me wanna get off my butt and actually installing the upgraded hardware I have!

[@HardwareHaven]

Hahaha I feel ya. Honestly 100Mb is plenty for a lot of things. I always find it funny when people complain about not having gigabit on a device that will never need it

[@repatch43]

I don't have a 100Mbps switch, but I do have some runs that are 100Mbps because I 'split' the CAT5E to two devices (1GBE doesn't support that, but you can do it with 100BaseT since it only need 2 pairs). Those runs go to security cams, so there's zero reason to have 1GBE speeds on those runs. Lots of people simply don't understand how much performance their devices need. That said, it sure is fun going 10GBE! :)

[@runed0s86]

​@@HardwareHavenas long as you aren't using Cisco, you're doing well! Your qnap switches are much more modern and have 0 backdoors!

[@stephendetomasi1701]

If you're on 10/100 you're already on Fast Ethernet, congratulations!

[@BS-my2ky]

@@stephendetomasi1701 I have a half-duplex 10mbps hub (not switch) connects to a voice over ip phone and laser printer. it works fine.

[@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432]

The inspur is not a dud, I have one too. It worked on your nas because you gave it all the 8 lanes it asked for unlike the 4 lanes you gave it on your desktop. There should be three jumpers on it. Two of them should be adjacent to the ports. Start from left and short pins 1 and 2 on the first jumper, then do 2 and 3 on the second. This way you will have disabled one of the ports and it will happily accept to work on pci-e 2.0 x4.

[@광동아재廣東大叔]

This guy must be pretty loaded... Just curious how much for the electricity bill for that humongous stuff he's got there... The term "cheaper" sounds really relative lmao

[@sinisterpisces]

Re: the max throughput being about 7-8 Gbps, did you enable jumbo frames? I saw similar behavior (about the same speed), but enabling jumbo frames on the client and the server got me up near the theoretical 10 gbps maximum. Of course, enabling jumbo frames can lead to other issues if you don't segregate the 10Gbps devices onto their own VLAN, which is probably one reason I haven't fully set up my 10Gbps network yet. :P

[@romanrm1]

Enable jumbo frames in all the adapter settings (9000 byte MTU), should improve the 7 Gbit iperf. Aside from that, unless video editing directly from a flash-storage NAS, I found that 2.5 Gbit is really enough. And those switches are cheaper, and cards are cooler, less power-consuming and often even integrated onboard in mobos nowadays.

[@juliansbrickcity5083]

I'm sad that 5gbit wasn't common as a middleground. I have a x370 ASRock motherboard with 5gbit and a Qnap pcie x1 Card with 5gbit for a few years but to take advantage of the speed I have to use my 10g switch because there was not an affordable 5gbit option. But in the last 1 or 2 years SSDs got very fast and cheap so 10g is already a huge bottleneck :D

[@charlesdean03]

mfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!

[@andrewb6]

Try using parallel streams with iperf. Something like adding "-P 4" switch to your command might fix that. That will run 4 transfers in parallel, and each will settle at 2.2-2.4 Gbps each, getting you to ~9.6 total. That ancient BCM card might hold that back a little, but jumbo packets could help there, too.

[@BertelSchmitt]

Testing 4 streams instead of 1 on iperf3 won't give you a faster network. 4 cars running side-by-side at 50mph won't get there at 200mph. You want to test whether your 10gbe network actually gives you 10gbe

[@andrewb6]

@@BertelSchmitt iperf isn't designed to speed up a network, it measures data throughput. If the CPU doesn't have sufficiently fast enough cores, a single thread might not be enough to keep a 10gBE link saturated, hence the -P # switch in iperf. I know, iperf 2 and iperf 3 are different. Older NIC IC's, typically 1st and 2nd gen for a given speed class, are often not able to maintain line speed data transfers. I also didn't hear him mention NPAR, or any other partitioning scheme, so the 4x50 analogy doesn't seem germane.

[@BertelSchmitt]

@@andrewb6iperf3 measures the network speed between 2 computers. If one of them is anemic, then it achieves lower speed, and iperf3 reflects that.

[@BrianThomas]

15:08 haha. I can already hear the conversation now. "Honey do you smell something burning? It smells like burnt plastic."

[@ewasteredux]

Ignore the haters and the elitists. It's a "home" network after all. When you get a dedicated staff (assuming you don't already), then you can worry about satiating your enterprise networking constituents. I would call it good for now. Still a great video though. It's nice to see the availability factor and working with stuff that's not 100% perfectly compatible. Getting it working "good enough" is sometimes the best one can hope for.

[@HardwareHaven]

I appreciate this, haha

[@smileymcgee6584]

Love watching these vids. Still kinda new to everything, but I hope to be able to do this kind of stuff. Keep it up!

[@HardwareHaven]

Glad you like them! And it's a constant journey of learning and trying new things.

[@TwistedMe13]

16:30 You may wish to get a slot mounted Squirrel cage blower fan. It would take up a single slot and wouldn't be as obnoxious to remount if you wanted to repaste the NIC's heatsink(s). Amazon currently has a deal on a Startech brand for less than $9.

[@Ret_af_vet_2019]

Hey I've been enjoying your videos for a while now... I'm learning much from yours and others. Couple things I read recently you may want to consider. Stacking even the passively cooled switches not good. Heat rises. Utilizing sfp+ with short DAC cables and/or any length fibre reduces much of the heat!, this applies to nics too! It's the transceivers that generate the heat. I will be utilizing DAC cables between switch uplink and downlink...and to my yet to be built nas server next to rack with 10gb sfp+. In some ways techie folks can/should skip the 2.5gb wave that's arriving now, implement 10gb now with the information available on workarounds and cost savings of used gear! Keep reading up on this everybody! And avoid the cheap foreign knock offs!!! Hold out for quality gear!

[@frankmanzhu]

Have you found a fix for the power draw from the 10Gb NIC on your NAS? Even if you shutdown the NAS, it will still take 10W from the wall with Inspur cards. They will become hot when the system is down. (Potentially burnt because the fan will be off when the system is down). I haven't find a good solution around this yet. Let me know if you have experienced the same and how to fix it.

[@rogerlevasseur397]

Been giving thoughts to updating the home network to go from Gigabit to 2.5G, and here's something to make me think about faster equipment.

[@SteveOwensRoswell]

Well done... glad you got 10G all setup and working.

[@allancreationz5625]

Great video! Wait are u using a samba share??? Or even at times windows is limited by its copy feature in file explorer being a single threaded task, m sure u could have pulled better speeds with some multithreaded copy software

[@paulbirch7635]

I am running HP branded x540-T2 cards that i scored on ebay for about 40-50 bucks a couple of years ago, as well as an genuine intel x710-T4. They get HOT without airflow! However the heatsinks are beefy and just a small about of airflow keeps the temps in check. Funny thing is that the x540 has a "Caution HOT!" warning etched on the heat sink! :D

[@bobopaapoe1774]

Enterprise grade PCIE cards like NICs or SAS controllers are designed to run in rackmount servers which have an insane amount of airflow compared to a normal desktop PC. Those fans alone often pull 20 watts or more PER FAN. Almost all server-grade PCIE cards I've used run crazy hot without additional ventilation in a desktop PC.

[@jimbo-dev]

Pretty nice deals there. I have one qnap switch, which has been fine on my use cases, but my homelab runs primarily on spf+. I needed 10Gig way back because I use network storage on my virtualization, but spf+ nics were way cheaper than 10G rj45 ones even as used. The situation seems to be changed somewhat, but I've gotten used to the spf plugs and those are awesome since they do not fall of as easily by accident as rj45 does. As of now, I have a small unreasonable fantasy of getting into 100G networking. It doesn't make any sense but would be fun

[@charlesdean03]

lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!

[@adrian32772]

I believe the Intel x540 NICs have a known issue when plugged into a PCI port that is routed off the Chipset, rather than directly off the CPU's PCIe lanes. I had a vary simular issue with my desktop where the thing wouldn't even boot up with the card in a "chipset" slot. but if I put it in the main PCie slot on my mobo it worked fine. I'm assuming you have a GPU in the main slot, and any extra slots that are accessable might be routed off the Chipset. I see in the TrueNAS server, you are using the primary slot, and that may be why it worked there, and not in your desktop.

[@HardwareHaven]

Ahh that would make sense.

[@adrian32772]

@@HardwareHaven Also, for NVMe, I just got one of these: aoc-shg3-4m2p and some cheap teamgroup 4TB MP34 drives that can go into any PCIe slot, no Bifercation needed ;)

[@eman0828]

I bought an off branded NIC card that's supposedly an Intel clone and my PC would not post at all no matter what PCIe or PCI slot I had it plugged in. I plugged in my old genuine Intel Pro/1000 Dual port NIC card and my PC post just fine. Steer clear away from those unknown off brand Chinese junk. You get what you paid for. Always buy genuine Intel hardware esp when it comes to VMware ESXI.

[@evertgbakker]

Best workflow is edit on your workstation, using local storage. It isn't about tranferspeeds. It's about accesstime. The network/nas is for archive.

[@zizhaolaisuimuqu]

Using the Inspur x540 network card on a regular motherboard seems to require shielding certain pins for it to be successfully recognized by the motherboard.

[@zachlandis8728]

It is amazing to see that the cost of these higher speed networking devices getting lower, to where if you are serious about it, you can achieve 10gb in some places on your own network for an affordable price without using something like fiber or aggregated ports.

[@markbooth3066]

Even if you're not running optimally and your drive array only runs at 500MB/s anyway then moving from a 100MB/s GigE connection to a 1GB/s 10g connection is still a huge step up.

[@michaelruelle5508]

I have a question. Do you need a switch here? I know a lot of modern network stuff is autosensing in terms of not only speed, duplex, and more. Could you direct connect your NAS and primary server? Would it need to be a crossover cable or could it be a straight cable? wondering if autosensing these days also includes the crossover thing for NICs, it seems standard on switches now.

[@Yandarval]

Like most Enterprise level gear. They are designed for a LOT of forced airflow. That's why sticking Enterprise cards in a consumer case, often causes them to cook. The airflow they need versus consumer sound levels is not easy to balance.

[@keithculvahouse1191]

only improvement i would suggest besides puting in ssd drive for caching is having more 10g ports on the one switch so you could use both ports of dual port 10g cards.

[@tglenn3121]

Thanks for the informative video. I do have a question though. So, supposing you have a 10GbE NAS, aren't the drives in the NAS still limited to much slower write speed? If so, is there a way to fix that?

[@manicmarauder]

Good upgrade for a content provider. I actually wouldn't do the flash upgrade just yet. It will be an *amazing* upgrade, however both SSD and NVME drive prices are dropping quite nicely at the moment. There should be some good black Friday / cyber Monday sales coming up soon enough, or just wait and take advantage of the post holiday sales. With both SSD and NVME 8TB drives becoming "reasonable" now, it's about time to just convert over in the next year or two. I'm looking forward to more 8Tb price drops next year myself. Another fun place to look is U.2 drives, or what looks really fun is something like the OWC u.2 NVME shuttle that will let you run 4xNVME on 1 U.2 connection (there are m.2 adaptors). So you can sacrifice a bit of that per drive nvme speed and end up having up to 32Tb of flash storage off of a single m.2 connection (or u.2 if you put an add in card in your motherboard).

[@3hukwuma]

ssd prices are going to go up very soon, the summer was the all time low. now nand manufacturers are decreasing production

[@charlesdean03]

Lmfao I made a comment on this dude cause I gave an alternative switch which @ServeTheHome also talked about later and guess what guys he deleted my comment lmfao... Is he even allowed to do that where is the YT police lmfao wait cause it will make him look bad and then they cant make $$$ thats why they gave him power to give quirky information and not checking all products out there.. Was he paid by qnap?? I am curious.. not saying he is, it looks weird. Also what about Mikrotik they also have better products which are cost effective as well!

[@cmdr_stretchedguy]

One issue on consumer level PCs, the primary x16 PCIe slot may drop down to x8 speed if a x8/x16 card is installed in the lower x16 slot (both shots running at x8 speeds). This can affect games that heavily rely on the GPU.

[@Damon-w2w]

Here is one quality that one must possess to win, and that is definiteness of purpose, the knowledge of what one wants, and a burning desire to possess it.

[@urzaaaaa]

I don't know if this is parody or not, but I like your style!

[@marklewus5468]

To reply to your final comment about NAS speed. The Synology DS1621+, and most other good 6 bay hard disk NAS, pre-built or home built, are good for 500-600 MB/s, faster if you use NVME cache. It won’t saturate 10G, but you get 2x+ 2.5g performance and 100 TiB of usable storage without breaking the bank.

[@billmiller4800]

WOW! Linus Tech Tips could not be bothered to mention Gallium Nitride and could only call it GAN, which is useless. Thank you for being actually helpful!

[@joeyyung911]

Depending on the MB, putting it in the bottom slot may limit the speed on the 10Gbe card.

[@HardwareHaven]

Definitely. I looked it up later and the bottom slot on the Supermicro board in the NAS is only x4, so I would need to use the middle slot which is x8 3.0

[@runed0s86]

​@@HardwareHavenyou should test them as well. Network switches have a similar issue to the flash storage ecosystem, where you can get mislabeled and counterfeit cards.

[@charlestilley2576]

Can the Port Forwarding for VoIP work with these switches? Reason why I ask, doesn't work with my flashed router with NordVPN on all ports. That same fan is how I keep my NVMe SSD (Samsung 970 Pro) cool when plugged into 2nd PCIe 3.0 x16 port! Replaced the cheap fan already on the adapter of same size, started squealing after a month due to rifle bearings. Temps are 35-40C Max under load, not possible in native port.

[@RealKingOfTheLab]

Random question... I have an old PC I've ressurected with a Wi-Fi 7 card, 16GB of ram, and a 1TB SSD. It has a simple 10/100/1000BaseT NIC on the motherboard. The motherboard is also PCIe 2.0. I can get 4 PCI lanes for a NIC, which should pass 2GB/s (500 MB/s in PCIe 2.0)... or 16 Gbps. If by chance, I can only fit this into a PCIe 2.0x1 lane, and the speed is dropped to 4Gbps max... will a 10GBaseT run at 4Gbps? or revert back to 2.5GBaseT? I know a 2.5G card is a slam dunk here, but I'd like to put in a 10GBaseT to talk with my other machines if possible. Anyone have experience with older tech like that handicapping a new card? I know PCIe is supposedly backwards compatible, but I don't know if the cards do "partial" speeds based on what the bus can feed it, or if it just increments from 1G to 2.5G to 5G to 10G and nothing in between. If the machine is only going to revert back to 2.5G anyway, it'd be cheaper to put a $20 2.5G card in there instead of a 10G costing $75. ;)

[@WJCTechyman]

For most people, Gigabit is probably fine, if not a bit overkill as well. The network in my place I set up with D-Link commercial desktop switches, one 5 port and one 8 port. My node has the 8 port switch as I have game systems and a few computers. For short runs I don't see much issue of data loss due to attenuation on cat5e but I would want to use the appropriate category of twisted pair cable for longer runs. I still find it funny that computers still use glorified 4 line POTS telephone cable for communication across networks. I also find it interesting that even though coaxial cable can carry tens of gigabits of data, is used by cable tv service providers for broadband and is incredibly simple to terminate isn't the cable of choice for networking computers together. Granted, it isn't as flexible but there is probably a way to make a stranded flexible variant for this use.

[@xellaz]

Did you adjust the MTU across your devices where 10Gb/s traffic passes through? I'm getting the full 10Gb/s transfer speeds on my network using my Synology DS1621xs+ 10Gb port, MikroTik 10Gb switch, and my PC with a TP-Link 10Gb PCIe Network Card when I use iperf3.

[@MrGoMario]

How about connecting the PC directly to the TrueNas? No expensive switch needed... A 10Gbit switch doesn't really make sense for a single user system...

[@weisstdudochnicht1]

I went 10Gbit with SFP+ and DAC Cables - main usage: workstation, NAS and connection between switches - APs connected with 2.5Gbit - all other devices: Wifi, or 1Gbit- totally sufficient

[@saulgoodman2018]

How to do it for cheap. Call someone up, and get it for cheap. This is what sucks about some KZbin channels.

[@JaikrishnaAdithya]

Your home lab set up is getting better and better!!! Great video

[@jaycahow4667]

I have the same QNAP unmanaged switch with 4 2.5GB ports and 2 10GB ports. I am getting a full 2.5GB when connected to 2.5GB NICS but when those ports are connected to 1GB NICS I only getting about 400MB (way under 1GB speeds). The same 1GB NICS run full speed when connected to a Netgear switch. I see some others complaining about slow 1GB speeds as well on this switch on Amazon reviews.. Can you benchmark some 1GB connection speeds for your switch to see if yours is slow as well?

[@pixelpop9365]

At this point, most home users just want an RJ45 10gb unmanaged switch with 4-6 ports...not a mix of 2 10gb ports and 4 or 5 2.5gb ports...just give us 10gbs ports

[@danolgamer9357]

I think about a cheaper version but it didnot work for me. I bought 4 10g pcie and place it in my esxi server. I tought it will be easy to do a switch/dhcp server directly from my esxi server with pf sense. Esxi recongnize the 10g pcie but I dont know why but pfsense dont want it to work... or maybe my configuration with esxi was bad.. I need help for that or just time to figure it out

[@JessicaFEREM]

You could get a blower-style fan and mount it next to the heatsync on the NIC

[@kooljapanese]

Is your PSU intake pulling air from inside the case? It's usually more efficient to have it exhaust out the back. Pulling in hot air from the NIC through the PSU might be suboptimal. Regarding the 10Gbps transfer, Windows SMB might not fully saturate it with a single transfer. Multiple streams could help if your CPU and storage can handle it. Thinking of upgrading to at least 2.5Gb soon. The LTT screwdriver's ratcheting click is oddly satisfying-I find myself fidgeting with mine all the time. 😄

[@FrgottenFrshness]

there's no way to make the PSU exhaust anywhere besides out of the case it's how the PSUs are all designed the only options are if the case has a weird layout for the PSU or the PSU is mounted with the intake fan on top versus the bottom some cases don't have ventilation on the bottom of the case for the PSU so you'll have to have it pull air from inside the case but for all cases that have the PSU mounted to the case the exhaust is facing out

[@kingneutron1]

Thanks!

[@Anomaliayt]

Why not go with SFP+?

[@KevinBourgeois]

Interesting 16 port switch, paid that much getting a 10 port 10gig last year. Prices seem to be starting to fall a little. When I bought mine I figured we'd have jumped straight to 10gig instead of 2.5. But seems 2.5gig is being widely adopted first. Which in hindsight guess makes since as it covers a much larger audience. As not everyone has the hardware to fully take advantage of 10gig yet. But when you have a use case and hardware that can drive it. It is utterly fantastic!

[@areebahmad2667]

if you experience this fault: expansion card receives power but no drivers detected on windows 10/11 (even after try to force a hardware detect) one solution may be to put it into another pcie bus (try the one closest to the CPU - known pcie x 16) It looks like the first nic you tries uses pcie x 8 (im guessing) - not all busses have the full fat lane (even though they look like pcie x 16 physically). you may have plugged the expansion card in a pcie x 4 bus resulting in this issue. I hope this helps :)

[@michaelkaercher]

Just bought a little switch with 2x10GB and 4x2.5GB for 50 bucks at Amazon. I will have a high speed NAS next to my machine (10GB) and the 2.5 connection to my home server. Cool.

[@Ven0m0usKiss]

Still happy with it? what brand was it, if you don't mind me asking..

[@JasonWitmerYT]

my home server for video editing definitely needs this...scrubbing 4k on the timeline is impossible using spinning drives and GBe. nice video

[@James-u5n4w]

Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by its breathtaking moments.

[@Bezobmezheny]

can I connect cat 6 cable directly from my pc's 2,5 lan card to each of these 10gbit ports? can you test that? Also will it work direct connection between 2 such cards in each pc? I dont want to spend on switch, just 2 pc's and 1 server. Also I wonder if it can work on pcie x1 port via cheap riser

[@ctrlaltdel02]

Tackled this situation few months ago, went with direct 10G optics (used ebay stuff) between pc and nas. NAS has bunch of mechanicals in raid (sequentials is faster than single ssd), no problems there, but main obstacle is ssd's in main pc cant keep up, probably some nvme could change this, but sata ssd's just get overloaded. But opening files on nas is a breeze, scrubbing some 26gb movie is instantaneous, zero waiting, you can drag or click anywhere in timeline and it just plays.

[@drollord9550]

Recently, I've been having a lot of issues with my TrueNAS server. I have a studio where we work on video editing, and currently our server is stuck at 100Mbps. I don't know what to do since we don't have an IT professional for this area. I wanted to build a server from scratch. What components do you recommend?

[@PhelanPKell]

Interesting vid, and worth a watch for people dabbling in this stuff. I'm using a slightly different solution for 10gbit, but I haven't gone all-in on it yet either. Hopefully in the couple months since you made this vid you did a better job of securing that fan to the one NIC though. What you're likely to experience is a combination of the plastic tie drying out in that environment coupled with a slight imbalance in the spin of the fan which could cause it to fail rather spectacularly. Also, invest in some Noctua industrial fans for that server. :P

[@thenextension9160]

running 10g on cat5 works because network stack supports retransmission. if signal integrity is compromised errors will show up in other parts of the stack but ethernet and tcp/ip will resend packets to compensate. this is by design as telecom cables exists in the real world and deal with lots of crap. however you will loose performance and increase latency as a consequence

[@Schroinx]

I am getting to the same point. And am considering the two switches you have. Someone said that the smaller QNAP does not support vlans when run on a net with a managed switch. Can you confirm this?

[@fu1r4]

I always put the fan so it blow from the side and to avoid noise i use 90x90 at 7 volt.

[@henderstech]

I gotta save up for that lil switch. so glad to see one that is not rack mount and is small.

[@VladislavKurashov]

I use 4010 blower fans and 3d printed shrouds, so the active cooling doesn't block lower pcie ports.

[@TechnologyGeek862]

Wait a minute... You have how many subscribers?? Just few months ago you had like 20k. Congrats 🎉

[@Jonathan.Boring]

First video I've found of yours. Recently been pulling OM3 fiber through my church for a 10GbE backbone. Might have to pick up a few of the smaller 10GbE Qnap switches for small breakout areas.

[@HardwareHaven]

Nice! Big church or do you guys just push a lot of data? Haha

[@jelome1989]

Great video, thanks. How was the noise on that 10gbe switch (qsw-m3216r-8s8t)?

[@KeynnS4]

After 3 years my 10G is dying while gaming due to heat (windows err 43), thanks for the tip I'll try the fan on it :)

[@SuchByte]

In 0:20 is this still Macro Deck on the tablet in the background? 😀

[@ewenchan1239]

Very nice. I ran my 4-to-1 consolidation earlier this year, so right now, everything runs off my Proxmox server, and with the virtio NIC, it shows up as 10 Gbps in Window10+ and all of my Linux systems. (In Windows 7, it actually shows up as a 100 Gbps NIC, which is SUPER AWESOME!) This saved me from having to buy 10 GbE switches, NICs, and cables to actually make it work at 10 GbE speeds.

[@Bartje1503]

What speeds do you receive from your internet provider? Where I live, I only have access to providers that max out at 1Gbps speed for consumer subscriptions. So would this still be useful for me? I don't have anything like a NAS, so I don't think I need greater speeds in my home network? Or am I wrong?

[@SammerJammer]

This won't do anything for your WAN speeds (how fast your devices can talk to the internet). In this demonstration he was creating a 10G backbone on his LAN (local area network) so devices plugged into his home router/switch could talk at 10G speeds. If you just have a sinlge PC connected to an ISP modem/router then this will do nothing for you if your internet speeds are your bottleneck.

[@Bartje1503]

@@SammerJammer Thanks for the info. Can you give an example where 1Gbps aren't sufficient in a LAN network? My only guess is to stream a movie from your NAS? But even that is possible with 1Gbps speed. No?

[@SammerJammer]

@@Bartje1503 Honestly, unless you are moving huge files around all the time or you are editing videos or something over your network (like you have a NAS and map that NAS drive into a video editing tool), you will never really need more then 1gbps on LAN. The appeal here is the cost of 10G networking (really cheap NICs and older enterprise gear) for the homelab community. 98+% of people will never NEED this for their home network. I just did a quick test streaming a movie from my NAS to my workstation and didn't see more then like 80mbps jumping around a 1080p video with a very average bitrate). I really don't think you would benefit from 10G at all. I do it for the same reason Hardware Haven does it. I have a few servers on my network and picked up some cheap 10G gear and wanted to mess around while learning about networking, it was never about needing it.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

I finally got to see another Hardware Haven video. It was great!

[@jayweezy3264]

noob here so please bare with me. so with this setup, in order to not bottleneck, and take full advantage doesnt it mean you have to have all ssd drives? or does raid 10 solves the write/read speed?

[@ivanmaglica264]

Strongly suggest you double zip tie the fan on your NIC. Believe me, it's gonna start to rattle...

[@anonymouse-f4z]

One thing if you have a budget is to setup an NVME device on your truenas server and make it a cache for the mechanical drives. I have seen this speed up writes as it caches the write onto the nvme then works to move it off the nvme to the mechanical on it's own time. at least until nvme drives become as cheap as mechanical drives per tb

[@SHO1989]

What make and model is that multi bay PC case housing your nas equipment? Any chance it is a current model that can be bought on Amazon, Newegg, etc?

[@CronusTheGreat]

the "Cat" phases of ethernet isnt only for data transmission, cat8 has way more ability to block out signal noises caused from electromagnetic interference and reduce the chances of jitter/packet delay which is different from packet loss.

[@diano5255]

does the ugreen charger also display the phone is fully charged when samsungs battery health mode is active where it charges to only 85%

[@LokiDaFerret]

What makes you think I don't put a lot of thought into my device charging?

[@OsX86H3AvY]

im planning to build a pfsense box from an hp elitedesk with an i7 7500 and 32gb mem. it has four pcie slots - 4x, 1x, 1x, 16x - i'll have a quad 2.5g in the 4x, and a dual 1g in one of the 1x slots, a single 2.5g in the other 1x - thinking about adding a 2x 10g spf+ card into the remaining 16x slot to go to my media server and main vm machine and then just bridging it with all the rest of the ports...then if i need more 10G i can add an unmanaged switch down the line....you think this sounds reasonable? its been a while since i've run pfsense, ive had a spectrum pos router and then an openwrt router for some time (which will be an AP with openwrt with the pfsense router) so yea im just wondering if itll even be worth buying the three 10g cards

[@Mike_v_E]

Does your router also need to be 10GB (or 2.5 GB) to work? Lets say my PC and NAS both support 2.5 GB ethernet, and I add a 2.5 GB switch inbetween the PC and NAS, will the connection between the PC and NAS be limited by the router or is the router irrelevant in this case?

[@myjunkarea5808]

Is it a peer-to-peer Windows network or is there a MS DC or a SaMBa server? Why I ask? It's impossible to maintain a peer-to-peer Windows network between updates.

[@Mr.Leeroy]

21:59 Have you got video on that little screen filled with icons (OBS, PS, etc) ?

[@HardwareHaven]

It’s called macro deck! Here’s my video ok it if you’re interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4nZoqGebb9-iNUsi=Lt51wmzIs9gOwNl4

[@boban250]

I think the desktop NIC could be limited by your motherboard, since 0.985 GB/s is the max speed of a PCIe gen3 x1 slot. Probably sufficient for a 10 gig nic, just an FYI :D

[@WunjoxFlo]

I hace a Lenovo m83 sff that I use an a DIY NAS at home. I have an intel x540 t2 that isn't working proprely in it. It sometimes shows up in device manager wit ha code 10 error, sometimes disapear. I'm using windows 10. Does anyone has any advice for me? Thanks

[@lil_sweden2323]

Can i ask what is the benefit of having personal rack at home ?😅

[@JasonsLabVideos]

Good video man !! When you put a fan like that on a Network card, if you put a piece of cardboard / plastuck 4-5mm thick between the heatsink & back of fan, it will move more air. Right now it has no space to move air because its suffocating

[@colinmurphrey6448]

PSU fan pulling air from the inside in Hard Drive Haven? Idk if you can test it, but how cool does it stay even the lack of airflow in that case? (Or at least it looks like it doesn't get much air)

[@HardwareHaven]

It actually gets a decent amount of air from the front two fans. The PSU fan is up because there isn’t access to air from the bottom of the case, so I’d rather it be able to pull in air from somewhere. Plus, most of the warm air in the case will be towards the top and exhausted from the 140mm fan there.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

My SuperMicro motherboard had 2x Intel 10G dual X550 ethernet ports. I then looked for switches that use that chip. The one featured here (QNAP QSW-2104-2T) uses that chip. Definitely get some CAT 7 cables.