Best Gaming CPUs: Update Late 2024 [28 CPUs, 14 Games]

[@ConnorH2111]

The real winners are people who bought a 7800x3d for £330.

[@RadialSeeker113]

Us $130 5700x3d buyers who were on an r5 1600 in 2017 are the biggest winners. Insane longevity and value. What's wild is that the 5700x3d regularly beats the R7 7700 and Intel 285k, especially in sim titles like msfs and acc

[@jermygod]

@@RadialSeeker113 true(although it was 1600af)

[@ConnorH2111]

@@RadialSeeker113 but the r5 1600 was probably $300 when it came out, so you have to factor that in to the cost.

[@antraxbeta23]

Like me, made the wife pc with it, i still can't believe its 1 year later and at that price you only find stuff like 9700x, a cpu thats slower 😂

[@miguelito2361]

I paid 220 USD, but my computer is broke 😥 Dumb motherboard WiFi crapped out 😩

[@AlirimBiDal]

The things you are doing can simply be described as a "public service". Thank you, guys, for this incredible testing and sharing process. it feels like an academic exercise.

[@yaldabaoth2]

I know what you mean, but that is not what "public service" means. This is, after all, a for-profit enterprise and not funded by the government.

[@AlirimBiDal]

@@yaldabaoth2 Oh thanks man.

[@lord.frosty]

The 5700x3d looks like it will last for a few more years. A really good choice to keep am4 alive for longer.

[@jackrenders8937]

Yep, got mine a month ago on AliExpress it quite an upgrade for my R5 3600 if you aren't gpu bound.

[@ahmedzid1119]

​@@jackrenders8937do you see any difference in 1440p because i don't think it's worthy to upgrade when not playing at 1080p

[@hanswurst2220]

@@ahmedzid1119 it may depend on the game, i think, some really are running better with a x3d cpu

[@r0xa18]

@@ahmedzid1119 From a 3600 to 5700X3D is even at 4K an Upgrade

[@Usersf134ssk]

​@@ahmedzid1119 the 1 percent lows is noticeable atleast for me. I also play City Skylines and it was a massive boost coming from 5600

[@byrnhard]

Here are the meaty parts... 12:40 14-Game-Average 13:35 Cost-per-Frame 16:33 Best Budget (AMD Ryzen 5 7600) 20:55 Best of the Best (AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D) Awesome work again Steve! 🤘

[@syncmonism]

Amazing video. HUB does such a great job of summarizing the important factors to consider for judging value per dollar of not only a CPU, but also of a system here. I just built an AM5 system for a friend with a 7600 and 6000 MT/s CL30 memory. They were willing to get something more expensive, but there's just no CPU which really looks worth paying extra for right now unless you want to pay a LOT more, or if you play one of the very few games where the 9600X actually pulls significantly ahead of the 7600. And even then, very few people are going to benefit significantly from the additional CPU performance above what the 7600 can do over the next few years.

[@neuplop]

snatched 5700x3d for 140 euros so nice, upgraded from 3600

[@kurtoskalacs9116]

sidegraded from a 5950X to a 5700X3D since I need that 3D cache more than the cores and it is noticeable in games especially with no CCD latency you get with 9s but the lack of cores hit me hard when multitasking various programs 😅probably gonna rock it out until AM6 or whatever Intel brings or once AM6 comes out and AM5 prices dip to insane values gonna go with a 9 that has 3D cache.

[@thechoken1]

Was thinking of doing the same thing since it will be cheaper than going with the 7500f and buying a new motherboard and RAM. But I'm still undecided because AM5 looks very promising and I can imagine the 7800x3d being cheaper in about 2 or 3 years. Before you suggest going with AM5, please know that I'm typing this comment from a keyboard in a 3rd world country. But I really need help in deciding which is better in the long run. I play on 1080p and also planning to buy a 4070 Super before the year ends.

[@neuplop]

@thechoken1 I'm personally staying on the 5700x3d until am6, feels this cpu will be enough for this generation of games at 90fps even for the badly optimized ones.

[@larsbaer3508]

I paid 175 inklusing shipping and 20% vet so similar to 140 price really good Deal xD😊

[@Rohit_Hbm]

I'm pairing the 5700(non x) with a 3070 & experiencing cpu bottleneck in some games. Is this normal? From what I read, there shouldn't be a bottleneck with the cpu. Im gaming in 1080p resolution btw.

[@exscape]

The 1080p test explanation at 02:35 is absolutely brilliant. Great example data, short and brief, easy to understand. That's the part I'll link to people confused about 1080p (or even 720p) CPU testing in the future!

[@allxtend4005]

the problem is that you have to test on max out settings in 1080p because newer games add CPU workload, this is why Low 1080p is irrelevant for CPU testing anymore.

[@henriquereis3860]

​@@allxtend4005 Yea ray tracing be eating hella cpu performance

[@BladeRunner031]

And as you can see even here,in your comment is happening,let alone on some other page

[@harmony-b4m]

And yet it won't matter in most people's use cases. Which is why both types of data would be useful.

[@get-in-2-get-out774]

​@@henriquereis3860 is eating your GPU too - it's just how it goes. It's bad, like, system wide bad - cant blame testers for that. With that said, they also have RT testing (if you realy need it).

[@PowellCat745]

I believe the 9800X3D will increase its lead after NVIDIA launches the 5090.

[@mannydcbianco]

Yup, almost certainly. Will be very interesting to see HUB's test once the 5090 is out. Not so much because it's all that relevant to 99% of all gamers who can't afford a 5090 (or refuses to spend that kind of absurd money), but out of curiosity.

[@Argoon1981]

That is only true, if you assume the 4090 is bottlenecking the CPU, that I pretty much doubt.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

@@Argoon1981 There are some games where it does look like they are running into the GPU bottleneck, but that's only a few of them. And the first tests of the new GPU's will show if that was truly what happened.

[@Columbus666]

I can't wait to see how much those who buy a 9800X3D to play with a 5090 in 4K and see that they will have to spend so much money on a processor to be rewarded with having 5 to 10% more FPS on 300...

[@Slyons89]

@@Columbus666 I'd argue that if I'm spending $2000+ on a 5090, I'd also spend an extra $100-200 on a CPU to get 5-10% performance gain with that system. Getting a 5090 and pairing it with something like a 7600X to save $150 is fine, money is money, but that's not what I'd get. Then there's also the crowd on 1080p and 1440p monitors up to 480 Hz. The 9800X3D is definitely worth it for them.

[@likemetoo2]

Oh man, you'll have to do all this again next month with the 5090.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Can't wait!

[@Sliceofgaming55]

@@Hardwareunboxedwhen you do another one of these could you run the 14900k at 400a instead of 307a next time I’d like to see how it compares then

[@hashirsamee]

Thanks for including i5 12400f 🙏

[@FilthEffect]

12th gen in general is peak intel tbh

[@MrCharly780]

Just got my 9800x3d for MSRP yesterday! Cant wait to assamble my build in christmas

[@Systematiclol]

hell yeah brother, me too

[@123Suffering456]

I've hoped to get mine for Christmas and pre-ordered end of November, but no chance. They're completely out of stock in Germany with no change in sight. Really looks like AMD allocated most of their stock to the US market since you guys can get it relatively easily and at reasonable prices.

[@MrCharly780]

@@123Suffering456 I'm not in the US, but someone is so they bought it for me at a microcenter and will give it to me on the 26th. Out of the us sucks to get it, I know.

[@SpicyEvo]

I snatched mine back at launch no regrets

[@Unpar_Guki]

Got mine for msrp as well. Mine is coming in February! I got an email on lunch one day at work but it was instantly sold out on newegg Very hard to get this cpu lmao

[@mRibbons]

I love my 7600X. I know people like to slam the X variants, but it can frequently be found at the $200 mark in the US. It does consume more power, but it'll eat 1440p and 4k for lunch.

[@danieloberhofer9035]

Plus, the "X" is turned on or off with one click.

[@awrebyawe]

Honestly I don't understand why people that aren't competitive gamers or that play exclusively single-player games bother with the x3d chips, the X chips are up to 3x cheaper (7600x) and provide more than adequate performance.

[@Avenge_Computers]

it's the exact same thing though as the non X. Plus PBO takes 1 minute to make them the exact same.

[@paranikumarlpk]

I got the 7600x for 171$ on sale few months back XD

[@zblurth]

I have seen the 7600x costing less then the base 7600 a couple of time in my country lol And maybe you got a better undervolting / oc die if that matter to you

[@SuperBobbyiv]

5800X3D is still going strong

[@N0wt]

75% of a 9800x3d, I say yes!

[@richardbeckenbaugh1805]

Only the 5700X3D is available now but still a beast for AM4 socket.

[@Ramshackle6984]

It boggles my mind that people still don't understand why you use a powerful GPU at lower resolutions to test CPUs.

[@Eepy-Rose]

Some people are new to the PC space and it's good and smart to explain methodology in testing videos for beginners who are thinking of building their first PC and may not know why testing methodology is the way it is.

[@PizzaUndervolt]

well people still buy 12gb 4070ti when it's already not enough 😂

[@kasadam85]

I get that it's the best way to show the difference but it's still not realistic, nobody's using an Rtx 4090 GPU for 1080p 😂

[@Ramshackle6984]

@@kasadam85 the ignorance is strong with this one ^

[@Eepy-Rose]

@kasadam85 The whole point is that using a 4090 eliminates GPU bottlenecks as much as possible. People never seem to say the same thing for GPU tests where they use high end CPUs with lower end GPUs.

[@gucky4717]

If you go for budget, I'd recommend the 5700X3D for AM4 and 7500F for AM5. The 7500F currently goes for ~145$ here in germany without tax or about 1$ per frame. If you want the best, only the 9800X3D makes sense.

[@kkrolik2106]

A year ago I get Ryzen 5 7600 for 167,49 EUR ;)

[@D.Feenstra]

Same in the Netherlands. Building a new am4 5700x3d ATM makes no sense but as an affordable upgrade it's a no brainer

[@nostrum6410]

@gucky4717 still bitter over how horrible my first gen ryzen experience was, so I'd still go with intel

[@silverwolfgecko7064]

​@@nostrum6410 yes, 'cos that experience has been really good lately😂

[@nostrum6410]

@silverwolfgecko7064 certainly has been

[@jggg31]

Please review the 7600X3D.

[@fajaradi1223]

@@jggg31 Please send them the chip. It's unavailable in Aussie.

[@josephbryanasuncion4904]

I think the reason why they didn't do this one is because it's literally a limited exclusive just like ryzen 5 5600x3d at the microcenter...so it's literally pointless specially when AMD didn't announce it or send review because it's just a limited one

[@TheQxY]

You can also get in in some stores in Europe.

[@drivein8055]

@@TheQxYyes, exactly one. So as far as im aware, it’s only available in the USA and Germany, only via one reseller respectively. It’s a good alternative, I just ordered one for 280€, cuz in Not willing to pay 600€ for a 9800x3d or 500€ for a 7800x3d. The prices on x3d‘s are getting to NVIDIA Levels of ridicolous.

[@djchotus1]

loving the Nasel cold voice, MAN as a parent and this time of year here (EU winter), cold central BUT, 7500F should totally at least be on this last slide, it's COST per FRAME must be EPIC! 100 cheaper then the 7600x, and same same gains

[@starboyjedi13]

03:16 The fact that this still has to be explained is just wild to me

[@hockey1973]

IMO People want to see higher resolutions to see if the upgrade will be worth it. They see that "brand new CPU" is 10% faster at 1080p but doesn't make a difference at the higher resolutions that person games at now. They are using the benchmark to determine if a new multi hundred dollar CPU will make a difference at the resolution they currently game at now. If I have a 5800X and I see that a new 5800X3D doesn't really make a difference at the resolution I game at. . . maybe I won't need to plop down a couple hundred bucks to upgrade. We get the explanation, but we still want the higher resolutions tested by benchmarkers.

[@anzov1n]

​@@hockey1973those people need to look at more than 1 review. If you want to know whether a given upgrade is worthwhile for your hardware you need to consider both GPU and CPU reviews together. Reviews can't combine everything because there are too many combinations.

[@aaaaa-g7g]

@@blitzwing1 The problem with testing on higher resolutions is that it depends on the GPU. Testing just on 4090 would be useless for nearly everyone. So what other GPUs should we test with? How many GPUs do we need to get a good look at the performance differences across the board? And all that while testing 14 different CPUs. Let's say we test it with 10 different GPUs, that's 140 benchmarks PER GAME. That's why there's not a lot of point in doing high resolution testing, and everyone looking to upgrade should check benchmarks for GPUs and CPUs separately to understand what they're capable of.

[@rubegoldberger]

@@hockey1973 I recommend you watch HUBs video on this topic. One main point though is this: these are benchmarks, not use case tests. It is an unreasonable ask for benchmark channels to take much of their time testing viewer's choice cpu-gpu combos at choice resolutions. I like the way @aaaaa-g7g put it. It doesn't take much effort to infer how your cpu-gpu combo will perform at a given resolution by using the vast data these benchmark channels provide. You think the data they provide is vast? Imagine if they tested every cpu-gpu combo for each popular resolution. I hope this puts things into perspective.

[@lvmarv1]

What if this is your first time watching a HUB CPU benchmark video? Yes it is repetitive for regular viewers, but there will always be people that learn something from these explanations.

[@Classy49]

Im happy with my 7800x3d august purchase.

[@rbvl30]

By the looks of it the 7800x3d will last a while

[@bmqww223]

and i am happy with my 12400f purchase in 2021 .....its great to see that even with 4 generation my cpu is still in the race not in the rearview mirror....

[@NajiSibin]

​@@rbvl30really

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Its ok if you game at 1080p. I have it and game at 1440p and think ita in the future that I'll be glad I got it. Hoping to use this until the last AM5 gen

[@izhafahri681]

me too broo

[@ausnorman8050]

Great work Steve, I see you added the 5800X3D this time, much appreciated.

[@Nawyria]

Thanks Steve for the round-up. Came at just the right time as I'm helping a friend build a computer. Much appreciated! :)

[@hwi7114]

I built my PC with a 12400F in 2022, it's done well so far. I'm planning to save some money on a motherboard and just do an in socket upgrade to a 13600k or 14600k over the next handful of months. Next time I do a full rebuild I'll be going with an AMD X3D build, assuming they'll still be king of the gaming hill in a couple years.

[@urkent4463]

14600k 5.3ghz allcore as it came out still in the middle of the pack still wondering if i'm on 14700k performance 1.6 watts idle at energy saving mode windows

[@-KK-]

Honestly, if u switch to am5 Microcenter is ur best bet. Got myself 7600x3d and it’s working wonderfully

[@hwi7114]

@@-KK- Unfortunately, the closest Microcenter to me is like 5 hours away.

[@walllec]

What for do you want to upgrade 12400f? Did not you see sumarry graph done using rtx 4090 1080p?

[@nicane-9966]

​@@walllecthe 14600k gives a sustancial uplift... Plues norr cores to deal with the games to comw

[@speedracer2please]

Perfect timing! I was just looking into a gaming cpu upgrade for a friend and was second guessing myself. You guys are really on a tear lately

[@RadialSeeker113]

The smartest am5 purchase is the r5 7600 or 7500f. Lets you upgrade to a theoretical 11700X3D at the end of the platform

[@fajaradi1223]

Not sure about that. But let's hope it'll be true. You can do that, but with several drawbacks. I'm talking from experience. Bought a low end X370 board with a Ryzen 1600 back then. Upgraded it with Ryzen 5600. It works, but I'm stuck with slower DDR4, cause my board just can't handle more than 2999Mhz, gen 3 PCIe slot, gen 3 NVMe, with no SAM/ReBar compatibility. Not to mention the waiting time for the BIOS update, that'll make my board compatible with the newer CPU.

[@Dynasty1818]

Agreed, went with a 7600 upgrading to AM5 from AM4, with a 7900 XT as it doesn't bottleneck it. AMD confirmed they're support AM5 for years to come. No reason to get a 9000 right now, could easily sit on it for years. AM5 boards can be had super cheap now, sometimes less than older AM4 boards.

[@mc_sim]

doubt it. am5 will support next zen generation but not the one after. i am pretty confident about. amd warned that am5 socket won't last as long as am4. and again there could other constraints so even next gen support is not guaranteed. but still 9800X3D is too good and with prices going down soon it will ok too. 7700 is better than 7600 with almost the same price. (at least at my place)

[@Audiosan79]

@@mc_sim And were those next gen Zen stack up? 3,5,7,9......whats next? oh yeah. 11.

[@DrMicoco]

@@mc_sim they said at least 2026-2027, now that doesnt guarantee a full cpu architectural upgrade though, but something like a 5800xt sort of refresh. but anyways, if you're current budget is only for a budget build, then getting a 7600/7700 with a plan of upgrading it to a 10th generation x3d part is not that bad

[@silverwolfgecko7064]

Really liked the different situatiom comparisons at the end. Makes it a lot easier to put the data beforehand about the CPUs into context.

[@Andytlp]

5700x3d gang. Paid like 180 eur. Drop in upgrade on an old zen 2 am4 platform. 2x avg 2x mins in games i play.

[@ccayco]

Just made a 5700x3d+4070tisuper system for a 4k60fps max graphics use case build, and it honestly feels like this setup will carry for at least 3 years before needing to crank down visual settings. So much headroom still.

[@fantherailsbc]

9800X3D still out of stock everywhere unless you're lucky to live near a Micro Center in the US.

[@romuluxb]

I got the 7800X3D for 400 usd in march and I m very happy with it!

[@TheTrueBloodish]

So happy with my 7500F. Slightly overclocked it, and performs like a champ and doesn't consume much power. 👍 It was a major step up from my 7700K at a super reasonable price, and now I'll be ready to upgrade to a beasty X3D chip in a couple of years for another nice upgrade.

[@chasp_0784]

Just built my mate a budget 12400f system, 1080p and and old 1080ti, it does the job.

[@Collin_J]

The 7500f's value proposition is wild. If they imported those to the states for retail sale they would submarine the rest of their budget processors

[@mods-qo4pr]

I bought the 7500F and it only took 10 days to the UK for 120 quid all in. Amazing value while I wait for X3D prices to come back down.

[@nostrum6410]

really no reason to expect x3d prices to come down

[@mods-qo4pr]

@@nostrum6410 That remains to be seen

[@nostrum6410]

@@mods-qo4pr at best they might drop around nova lake launch, panther lake or whatever they end up going with

[@mods-qo4pr]

@@nostrum6410 or as we have seen with with the previous X3D, that demand slows and AMD responds with prices cuts. Only time will tell and meanwhile the 7500F will tick along nicely.

[@HasiHasiHasiHasiHasi]

I'm missing the R5 5600 which is currently priced at around 80€. Would've also loved to see 1440p tests :D

[@everope]

5600 agree. 1440p disagree.

[@andersjjensen]

Even the 4090 hits the wall at 1440p in many of the newer titles, so it tells you exactly nothing about the future of the CPU.

[@radosuaf]

Bought a used 11900K for very good money to update my B560 mainboard and it seems I'm still 30% above the "decent gaming PC". Nice.

[@johnoney8088]

I need to get away from my 10600k

[@radosuaf]

@@johnoney8088 Get the 11700 or 11900F, cheap and easy drop-in. 11700K and 11900K seem to be expensive and jsut a few % faster. But I wanted to go all out and just got the best my mobo could handle (went from 11400F).

[@XMproYT]

why not just 11700k?

[@radosuaf]

@XMproYT Depends on the price. Basically 11700, 11700K, 11700KF, 11700F, 11900, 11900F, 11900K & 11900KF offer the same performance, I'd get the cheapest or 11900K/11900KF for ABT.

[@iffy_too4289]

14:52 WUT?? R5 7600 is neither $110 or AM4. I do get you got something mixed up but i don't know what given the $110 CPU is Intel and you're talking about AM4 upgrade path - or lack thereof.

[@nostrum6410]

someone is mixed up

[@69fox]

thought i was going crazy

[@omegajvn1]

(lays back in my recliner and puts up my feet) Ahhhhhhh, my 5800X3D at 1440p with my overclocked 6800 XT just keep winning. Not to mention I have AFMF 2 making it even better. What a GOAT of a CPU !

[@stephenkelly8312]

As someone on AM4 wanting a bit of an upgrade, the 5700X3D for $150 (on aliexpress) around Black Friday was too good to pass up. Should be delivered before the weekend.

[@ketiux]

Incredible work! Thank you so much for this HU! Could start including more racing sim titles in the future such as Assetto Corsa Evo (when it launches), Le Mans Ultimate, Project Cars 2, iRacing, etc?

[@soulshinobi]

Steve you know full well I'm only here to feel justified in my 5800X3D purchase, please just keep this CPU permanently highlighted in future reviews. Thanks.

[@SAFFY7411]

It's a lot of work Steve. GG man!

[@Djoki1]

I was able to snag a 5700X3d for 210 euros in Austria during black friday sales. Super happy with it. Pairs extremely well with a 6800XT at 1440p. Somehow still CPU limited in Destiny 2 in some areas but im always above 160fps anyway so it doesnt matter (still strange that even with 3d im cpu limited).

[@j3m638]

Salty comments on 1080p testing coming in 3....2.....1.....

[@Gridpipe]

I'd rather buy a mid range chip now and another in 2 or so gens rather than one God tier one now, and hope it ages well. So for me I'd rather just know if an upgrade for 1440p is worth it now. Not salty, just a differing opinion 😊

[@j3m638]

@@Gridpipe But the amount variables involved are just too exhaustive. If you know enough about pc's to build your own & to make that decision, then surely you'd know enough to know where your own performance metrics will fall?

[@jgig1329]

But all you need to do is look at a 1080p chart and ask which CPUs give you a satisfactory framerate compared to what you expect your GPU to achieve at 1440p. There’s no need to have a 1440p-specific test.

[@Gridpipe]

Which of these variables are not relevant to 1080p testing as well?. At the end of the day, all I care about is if it is worth upgrading today at 1440p, and 1080p testing scams many people in to thinking an upgrade is beneficial.

[@hunn20004]

Honestly, they should be doing 720p testing, for future incoming Deck equivalents

[@Elkemper]

Great info! I would suggest to add 'deviders' on the Y axis, like dotted line on each main monitor refresh rate, like 60, 120, 144, 240, so it would be easier to understand where to stop looking

[@maxview99]

If you ever think upgrading your CPU isn't worth it just remember: The more you buy, the more you save.

[@andreasw.hvammen3946]

Got a 7500F for cheap in a system I helped a friend build. Basically the same perf as the 7600, but at around 170-180$ here in Norway. The 7500F is not commonly available here at that price, though...

[@Vibe69420]

If only the 7600x3d was more widely available

[@Dynasty1818]

Just get the 7600, perfectly fantastic chip.

[@spuddyl9938]

I had mine sent by a friend who lives in Germany.

[@Vibe69420]

@@spuddyl9938 Lucky you, my ass is stuck in Italy and I have nobody in Germany

[@gladcomming]

​@@Vibe69420 buy it from mindfactory and then pay somebody to sent it for you, i mean there are brokers that do things like that

[@greggmacdonald9644]

Steve, I'd really like to see how DDR4 (3600CL18) fares against DDR5 (6000CL30) with Alder Lake with modern gaming titles. There's probably quite a few people that upgraded to 12th gen a few years ago when it launched (myself included) and went with DDR4 since DDR5 was slow and absurdly expensive at the time. For us, we don't know if your 12th gen results you show in vids like this one (with DDR5) are actually showing results we can use. If DDR4 exacts a significant speed penalty, we'd sure like to know, as it would help guide upgrade decisions.

[@sodapopinksi667]

Pretty sure they have a video on this already. They did the comparison on Intel for the exact reason you're thinking. I don't think it makes a huge difference until ddr5 gets better (it will), or we get to ddr6.

[@greggmacdonald9644]

@@sodapopinksi667 The video you're likely thinking of was half a year ago, and more importantly, used very fast DDR4 (3600CL14) which I would think isn't that comparable to the more mainstream CL16 or CL18 timings. Also, it was a small game selection, and there's been Windows updates since then that could quite possibly have changed potential results. I think it's due an update. As to timings on that video, they showed a 22% difference with 12th gen.. but again, that's with CL14, not the common CL18.

[@allu7112]

The 7600 looking real good in these benchmarks, under $200 and pretty close in performance to CPU's like the 14700k, 7700x and only 10% worse than the 14900k

[@42cuba]

lol share the crack around dude geez

[@juul9098]

Why would you buy the 7600 over the 7500f? I understand tariffs are coming to the US and they only come from china but still, much better value.

[@pandora1037]

7600X3D is missing...

[@allu7112]

@@juul9098 where are you finding a 7500f for less than a 7600? The availability is much greater with the 7600

[@juul9098]

@@allu7112 Aliexpress mainly, I got one from there. In NZ the 7600 is $350+ and the 7500f is $250 shipped. (NZD of course.

[@tsvetanbliznakov7694]

something cool to mention 12400F can be BCLK OCed on clock gen motherboards such as B760M Riptide DDR5, which can bring its performance to 12700k/5700x3d/5800x3d/7500f/7600/7600x level of performance or more depending on cooling and luck - saying that as a heavy AMD user for the past 5 years, the 12400F OCed system that I used to have was doing extremely well and had great performance and awesome overall value

[@pavelpenzev8129]

Я гнал сначала 12400, теперь настроил 12700кф 5.0\4.0 на 1.26v - под воздухов всё отлично, производительность очевидно на уровне 14600кф

[@ЯромирМ-к2ь]

Looks like I wasn't wrong, when got my 5700x3d for $127

[@dagnisnierlins188]

Yeah, that's my next cpu, I'm on 5600x and it bottlenecks my 6900xt in competitive games

[@steelkinq3708]

​​@@dagnisnierlins188 but for "normal gameplay" on 1080p with a 7700XT it would be fine? A friend wants to upgrade from Ryzen 3 1200 xD Edit: she will upgrade her gpu to something like a 7700xt or so. Dhe is on 1050 2gb atm.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

@@steelkinq3708 yeah, 7700xt and ryzen 5600X would be OK, but if can stretch the money go for 5700x3d or the regular 5700x

[@97Fenrir]

Bro I bought mine at 250 and like a week later it went on sale for 180 LMFAO I was salty

[@nimbulan2020]

That resolution comparison of then vs now is the absolute best way to demonstrate why CPU testing is done like it is. If someone doesn't understand and agree based on that, they never will.

[@zblurth]

Just receive the 9600x I grabbed at 180 euro and upgrading for a 3600,it is going to be great

[@Taikon_n]

Yo también lo conseguí a 180 dólares, pero viniendo de un R5 2600x.

[@gustavr2618]

Researching to build a pc for my little brother, these videos are gold, thank you!

[@Struct.3]

9800X3D Holy fuck, its just absolute domination.

[@Dynasty1818]

Scalpers love this one trick

[@DarioCastellarin]

Yeah but it doesn't appear to ever go under 700€ over here, with that price they can keep it.

[@nostrum6410]

the worse value of any 8 core, hardly call that dominating

[@DarkStorm047]

If you can ever find one for sale, only place in Canada has it listed for 2.5x the price

[@tooeasy1100]

@@nostrum6410The graph 13:56 literally shows 9800X3D having better value than the 7800X3D lol

[@andreacristoforetti2061]

What a chart, amazing work for the community, thank you!

[@AssassinKID]

HUB is the WWE Royal Rumble of hardware xD

[@FutureChaosTV]

Except HUB is not fake.

[@AquilaeYT]

​@@FutureChaosTVexactly xDD

[@Chilli_ix]

The video I've been waiting for. Thank you for your hard work!

[@thkhoa8805]

Where should the 7600X3D be in this chart ?

[@igorthelight]

Lower that 7800X3D but higher that 7700

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

In most games you can expect it to perform most comparably to the 7900X3D

[@Dynasty1818]

@@kenshirogenjuro873 yep, higher model number doesn't mean higher FPS.

[@MrKalle1977]

About 9700x

[@philipreininger2549]

7500f is widely available in Europe for 155€, 7600 goes for 195€ and that’s an easy 40€ saved for a better gpu or to offset the ram/mobo cost increase, it’s soooo good and has been for months. Glad I built 5 systems with it for my friends and everyone being happy

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

The 7 7700 (tray) is sometimes on flash sale for 200€

[@usmanmehboob1349]

Where is the 4k testing? (Im joking chill)

[@alistermunro7090]

Don't be stupid, no one uses 4k and we know the best way to test a CPU is to count the FPS of a GPU...

[@berserker34568]

​@@alistermunro7090 lil bro can't read 🙏🙏

[@andrecha1]

@@berserker34568 lil bro can't understand sarkasm

[@usmanmehboob1349]

@@andrecha1 lil bro cant comprehend

[@michalsvihla1403]

It would actually be nice to see some 4K testing just to see where the drop-off point is for CPU's. I'm betting a lot of these would perform the same at 4K, so knowing which one would be best value for 4K gaming would be quite useful

[@wallywest2360]

If you have a Microcenter nearby the 7600X3D bundle is an insane value. $400 for the CPU, motherboard, and 32 GB DDR5 6000 RAM. It's just a 7800X3D with two cores disabled, so in most games performance is virtually identical.

[@tsundero]

$450

[@wallywest2360]

@@tsundero Well, that's new, it was $399 a few weeks ago when I picked it up.

[@TheDementedSig]

When the 5800X3D was still around for sale, it was around the time that the 5700X3D was announced. At the time for me, the 58 was $290USD while the launch for the 57 was $250USD. I got lucky around that time frame and told myself, "It's a $40 difference, I might as well get the 5800X3D." Now seeing the 5700X3D being the only 3D AM4 part for sale makes me sad for other people who would be interested in the 5800X3D. But I do love that the 57 isn't gimped in performance and the results between the two are within the noise at best, only falling short in a select few games with the frequency difference at worst.

[@Bvrntfaceman08]

Its a real shame the 7600x3d was only released in the US + germany id love to see it in these charts

[@OwlOnFire]

Thanks Steve

[@WanAimanShauqiWanMohdSopi]

id love to see a power per frame stats in the future. love the video

[@Ahri91]

I'm still on my "old" 10850k with 4000 cl 17 ddr4 and have absolutely no Issue on Wqhd 165hz with a pretty good rtx 3080 custom model which scored 19k+ points in 3d mark. Still doesn't feel mandatory to upgrade despite sitting on PCI 3 still . I don't get some Aquintances that think that everything below a 7800x3d and 4080 sucks now. In my opinion if you are on atleast a 9900k (intel side) and Ryzen 5800 for 8c 16t with good memory you are still good to go

[@walllec]

Is not it what they shown in the sumarry graph that all CPU are the same with rtx 4090 1080p?

[@VilenPro]

Thank you for your hard work. I believe many people would appreciate it if, in addition to 1080p, could also see the 1440p and 4K testing results, if possible. This would be a realistic scenario and i saw results in 1440p in some games that are diametral different than in 1080p. It is very likely that those who can afford and are willing to buy a 4090 won't play in 1080p resolution.

[@voprus]

it is a pity S.T.A.L.C.E.R 2 was not included - one of the games where you actually need good CPU - in towns howering at 30-40 fps with 5800x - so I needed to know which one to buy to get 60fps. :(

[@r0xa18]

5700X3d would only be a 10%+ Upgrade, so you have to switch to AM5 if you want 60+ FPS

[@FotonPC]

​@r0xa18 7800x3d can't give above 45 FPS in heaven scenes on epic settings

[@FotonPC]

Use fsr fg

[@r0xa18]

@@FotonPC I´m playing stalker2 1440p epic with FG at 100-150, in towns easy drops to 60

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I'm getting 50-90 fps with my Ryzen 7 7700 Graphics card is the bottleneck. 4K RTX 4070 optimised settings no TAA/Frame Gen or other smear modes.

[@HichTun94]

You're doing god's work benchmarking the lower end cpus as most youtube focus on the high end stuff while most people budget buyers

[@elirantuil5003]

as a single player gamer, feeling incredibly well about my 12400. such a value king.

[@raulitrump460]

oc it 5.2ghz gives you up to 30% perf.

[@elirantuil5003]

@raulitrump460 I don't have one of the specific boards that can oc it.

[@zleejunz]

Amazing video, love how comprehensive this is

[@MrDavid123A]

A 9800X3D for 480$ is only available for this price in your dreams. In reality its more like a solid 600 to 700 $

[@dogoku]

The 7500F is available in some retailers in Europe. I saw it as low as 120 euro, although its price increased recently

[@UncannySense]

7500F gang

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

Now with poor paste

[@istevoevo]

Such a great budget CPU

[@dwiedyszki9778]

​@@hyperturbotechnomikein some countries it is available in official stores

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

@dwiedyszki9778 AMD is officially selling these to end user now? You do know that is the only "official" AMD store? Right?

[@UncannySense]

@@hyperturbotechnomike I bought from AE...no issues 1/3 cheaper than a domestic 7600

[@CYP962]

just used 9700x +pbo with max oc uv tuned with 4070ti, almost no fps differene from 7500f with max oc uv tuned form. so thanks Steve for this massive work. Go buy 7500f instead :D

[@yuralmspw4911]

I have build my current pc from ali this spring sale, 12400f 85$ + b760 maxun terminator 62$ + 32gb 3600 30$ + 2tb fanxiang S790 60$ + used rx6600 localy for 190$ + used case 25$ = 450$, try beat that.

[@denizsahin4176]

man i did similar for me as i had ddr4 2x8(trident z 3200) from old pc chose to get 12400f, the 12400f probably the best go to budget cpu its basically intel's version of the 5600 but usually performs more consistently also got a ASUS b760-g motherboard, 6700xt msi gaming x which i bought used for 280 AUD which made for a really nice white build on a budget obviously the graphics card isn't white with the money saved can buy better gpu that is white especially with 50 series and 8000series near, i was also very decisive about getting an am5 pc but thought that spending less now would be a better choice as i use a 3440x 1440 monitor so their is basically not much of a bottleneck, if someone has ddr4 available 12400f seams like a really solid choice even in 2024 and instead of dishing out crazy money on a cpu buy a better gpu or monitor as can confirm 1440p is much better looking than 1080p

[@FotonPC]

Kingbank/juhor ram?

[@deception495]

@@FotonPCive had juhor ddr4 and ddr5 and eh, not great in terms of quality/speeds.

[@Columbus666]

"Best toothbrushes for GAMING" "Best underwear for GAMING" "Best Christmas Tree for GAMING" 3 ideas to hold you over until the next GPU launch in January 😅

[@albertopaco8132]

MISSING the 7600X3d to better contextualize this chart! almost 7800x3d performance for cheap

[@MrKalle1977]

Bs

[@majmunx9703]

Bought 5700x3d of Aliexpress month ago for 154€ with free shipping. It's a monster compared to my good old 3600. And for this price it is absolute steal for us from EU. Prices here in EU are from 190€ and above for this puppy. :) EDIT: And I can see the biggest differences in 1 and 0.1% lows because I only have 3060Ti.

[@clintonkinchen661]

It's not weird that I prefer to listen to HUB videos rather than the radio during my commute right?

[@CtrlAltAlex]

The X3D chips really are incredible aren't they. Also didn't expect to see that jump for the Core Ultra's in Cyberpunk!

[@ninadjadhav8762]

I want to know why don't HU test Valorant in these cpu testing? It's one of the most popular cpu intensive game.

[@txoni]

True. But it's quite easy to run on any CPU so that might be the case? I get over 400fps on 7600x so with any better ones, you can just guess how much better it would've been

[@thedeleted1337]

they have videos with valorant included. if you have an x3d chip or 12th-14th gen intel cpu you get insane frame rates.

[@robertkubrick3738]

Always nice to see how my system is aging, it's doing fine.

[@Violet-ui]

I think the 12400F should have been tested with DDR4

[@xanira6367]

i think for anyone doing a combination of gaming and work on their pc, the best budget option by far is the 14600k. its practically on par with the 7700 in gaming, but outperforms it in every professional application

[@pontiac797]

i5-12600K is still going strong! 😊👍

[@noirelectrique8782]

I hope it will do it for kingdom come deliverance 2 in high 1440p

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

this is with ddr5 and 7200mhz lol if you spend that money on ram, you can get 5700x3d instead. So nope.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

its with ddr5 7200mhz. Not the same with ddr4 3000mhz lol

[@davidbeckham0633]

One of the best videos when deciding for a CPU, mobo and ram.

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

I just upgraded to 5700X3D from 5600… best purchase of the year and will likely last me till AM6 releases

[@Josh-cw8by]

Eh...40% more frames is worth a platform upgrade.

[@camogeko6804]

I have the 9700X and couldnt be happier, it does amazing in these graphs!!!

[@amineBoucherit]

The 7500f is the best value CPU right now

[@nostrum6410]

unobtainable to most people so i dont really think it counts

[@amineBoucherit]

@nostrum6410 why? Aliexpress doesn't ship globally?

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

A lot of EU vendors sell it officially. Just order from them if you want warranty and all that.

[@nostrum6410]

@hyperturbotechnomike if i can't buy it on newegg I don't buy it

[@ETophales]

I think it's wrong to say that Space Marine 2 makes full use of the CPU. If a 7600X and a 7950X perform about the same, it means that the game makes poor use of more than 6 cores (assuming there's no GPU bottleneck). The scaling results seem to indicate that the game is very much dependent on single thread performance (+ cache). I wonder how the game will perform with 4 cores and a large cache.

[@funtaril]

7500F FTW

[@the_unded6173]

Love my 7500F! runs Great with tuned PBO and a 4070 Super for 1440P! will maybe look to upgrade to the 9800X3D next year when prices stabilize or maybe even wait for Zen 6 with a Gpu upgrade then.

[@UbergamR447]

great video! thank you :) I honestly dont know why people cant understand the "GPU bound" term and fight your methods :( I feel for you But you made great videos trying to explain just that so lets hope that there is hope for hopelessness

[@simoSLJ89]

12:40 AVERAGE

[@kuroryugaming3373]

It is an only CPU comparison hence we understand the 1080P testing, but including the 2K and 4K results together even for a short while does clarify exactly what someone needs for the respective resolution they are using.

[@BeefIngot]

What I'm getting from this is that everyone should yolo buy a 9800X3D regardless of budget or purpose.

[@hanswurst2220]

exactly 😄

[@DrMicoco]

if you want the best performance, yes, but if budget is an issue then other parts makes sense. The only difference is today, a cpu upgrade in the future is more than an ideal addition to your purchase planning

[@hinzir82]

Think about this way, lets say you are building 2500$ PC, and you are thinking that should you buy 100$ expensive CPU or not, and lets say performance difference is %15, you will pay %4 more and gain %15 performance. When you build from scratch it should be the comparison, not CPU price vs CPU price imo. Same can be said for GPU.

[@robertmusil1107]

​@@hinzir82always prioritize GPU over CPU. The CPU usually won't hold you back that much and lets be honest, you're not going the upgrade the CPU in 5 years. No one does that. The mainboard format might not even exist in 5 years so you would have to switch that too.

[@DrMicoco]

@@robertmusil1107 people in am4 and am5 will disagree with you on that, the rate of people who plan on upgrading to a 9800x3d from a non x3d 7000 part is not few..

[@VeBe90]

Hello Steve! We need a cozy christmas special video! Love

[@gingerbread6967]

Granted,AMD is the better choice at this time, However, Steve skips right over most of Arrow Lakes good FPS numbers and focuses on the i-3's poor performance or some other figures instead When AMD tops the charts he's all over it, YOU'RE BIASED Steve!

[@houdini329]

Salty salty tears

[@Sliceofgaming55]

He also runs the 14900k at 307a instead of 400a so it’s not even boosting to 5.7ghz which is stock

[@domeskeetz]

I just noticed, do you guys not do monitor reviews anymore? They were truly the best on the internet!

[@jordanleewalker]

They do them under the "Monitors Unboxed" channel!

[@domeskeetz]

@@jordanleewalker Thank you!!!