MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review, Biggest Graphics Card We've Ever Seen!

[@Sarielal77]

The card is not attach to the motherboard. It's the Motherboard that is attached to the card.

[@concinnus]

There were already pictures of this idea with the 4090 standing up, ITX mobo attached -- they looked hilarious.

[@Hennerbo]

3Dprint a stand for the gpu and a small pillar like stand for the motherboard, and you are good to go with a matx or itx board. Or just use a normal tower cooler and lean on that, should work just fine with the card being 150mm in width😂

[@megamanx1291]

Fathercard

[@andrewpoptanich5284]

I wonder how many cases it actually fits in?

[@hineighbor]

old joke is old

[@MEMETIZER]

0:45 Those memes about hanging your RTX 8090 card outside your house like an AC unit are slowly becoming a reality. :D

[@Just-HitAWall]

Iceberg gaming well be a thing.

[@Mr3ppozz]

I mean... a space heater for the entire house... while your gaming xD should safe some money on heating in winter...don't wanna think about how it will go in summer though xD

[@_Kaurus]

@@Mr3ppozz you're paying for that energy, so how is it saving your money?

[@megapet777]

it would be funny to see 1kw GPU someday

[@ScaryYokai]

@@_Kaurus because you don't have to pay extra for the heater lol.

[@Shinnok789]

Getting Asus to sponsor an MSI card review - nicely done!

[@Mystic-Voyager]

lmao

[@lehelzelenka207]

It's actually a win for Asus. Their brand pops up even when their competitor's product is shown

[@SnowyTasha]

This card costs more than my entire computer and draws more power than my power supply is capable of. I have no words.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yup, it's called performance

[@13zveroboy89]

​@@PiotrBarczyup, 40 fps in Wukong, you call it performance?😂 - yup, yup, yup.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@ No I call that sh*tty optimization. The graphics in that game are ASS too.

[@Cosmicdonut6764]

@@13zveroboy89as if it’s not Wukong and UE5 to blame there. 5090 is an absolute beast, it’s optimization to blame for that garbage game

[@jaminschmitt]

Yes, hardware is getting increasingly power hungry. This is to be expected until they start making it more efficient.

[@izMargaret]

The connector at 80 degrees Celsius is crazy.

[@DaKrawnik]

I like the part where they compared it to previous gen cards....

[@BenchAndGames]

they are designed to work at 105ºC for 7 days !!

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

The power draw in a single GPU is CRAZY. I guess this is the point where these companies start giving a damn about the power draw.

[@TheRealRuddRants]

GeToast 5090 is going to be called.

[@ywsx6489]

Waiting for some1 to watercool the connector.😂

[@WayStedYou]

You know what else is massive? The pricetag

[@Mike111Chou]

Low

[@priyanshusharma1812]

Imagine if Jensen got a low taper fade

[@jacobgames3412]

​@@priyanshusharma1812imagine if Jensen took off his jacket

[@pe3ke117]

one local retailer start posting prices around 3000€ inc. VAT. insane. like literaly eF_OFF ngreedia and AIBs... also 5080 from Asus 1500€ and more... definitely i dnt buy any overpriced crap . keep close msrp or ignore.

[@mikelay5360]

How surprising 😂

[@JMeyer-qj1pv]

They forgot to put a heatsink and fan on the power connector

[@s7r49]

haha thats exactly my thought during that segment. they almost need to make a metal connector and put some fins on it

[@fleurdewin7958]

It needs an AIO just to cool the power connector 😆

[@michell22]

hahahahahaha

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

Looks like they added a thermal pad to the back plate just for the connector.

[@FromDesertTown]

Exactly. They're probably banking on people having high air flow cases that blow some air over the connector.

[@gosuprime]

Temps are 10C over Ada, power draw is up big over Ada, core count is up over Ada, performance gains...not substantial. And now we know why Nvidia didn't release a 4090 TI with the full Ada board 2 years ago...they wanted to sell it 2+ years later.

[@iamrubinot42]

Jensen knows what he's doing.

[@TheReferrer72]

Should have waited for a node shrink.

[@LiveType]

4090ti would still be ~10% slower and half the peak AI performance. But yes you are correct. I was wondering why that 4 slot 4090ti never came out. It was so cool. Guess they thought it wasn't worth selling even for the $2500 it would have sold for.

[@gosuprime]

@@iamrubinot42 I'm pretty sure Jensen knew since 5000 series would be on TSMC 4nm (same process), having the full Ada board would make the eventual 5090 look even more "meh" relatively. Maybe if 5000 series was on 2nm they would have done the 4090 TI. I assume they have to decide well in advance which node, for mass production.

[@01talima]

Ai cores went up from 1300 to 3000?

[@andresgordo769]

5% increase in performance over FE, for a 20% increase in price

[@srinathshettigar379]

Jensen tax

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yeah, not worth it

[@mexmer3223]

You forgot 80% increase in size

[@Malinkadink]

one thing not shown in the video is how FE has 90C+ memory temps while this card is 70C. It's also quieter. I think for many that justifies the 20% increase in price. Still need to see how the Ventus for 10% increase in price compares. I got my 4090 $50 below MSRP so I'm not keen on paying more than MSRP but since I don't do SFF the FE card is not that attractive.

[@BrawndoQC]

You will never buy a 4090 or 5090 anyway, why do you care.

[@SishGupta]

Police: open up you're under investigation for an illegal grow operation! Me: it's just my rtx5090 suprim soc sir!

[@bartman2395]

tv 350w, pc 1000w, 3d printer 450, growtent 600... yeah thats fucked up all together. And we didnt even start with AC.

[@N0rub]

The connector at 80°C is crazy

[@matthewboehm8557]

The temps are high, but what are the cables rated at before melty melt?

[@N0rub]

@matthewboehm8557 they're usually rated 60°C, 75°C and 90°C

[@The_Noticer.]

@@matthewboehm8557 The bigger issue is resistance changing with temperature, and de-rating gets worse. Thermal runaways are easy that way.

[@riba2233]

@@N0rub there are cables with much higher ratings, same for connectors.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🔥

[@davidhamer7820]

750w+? That is insane! I live in the tropics so that is more like having a heater in my room than a gaming pc. I do find it hillarious that team green has gone with non died packaging to help the environment while designing gpu's that need their own coal plant to run.

[@iHadWaterForDinner]

were paying the virtue signaling tax for sure

[@jamesstewart8663]

I live in Canada and my computer is my heater in my room. A little cold? Turn on Cinebench MultiGPU benchmark!

[@eugeneskillful8053]

​@@jamesstewart8663 Ahahha nice, thats probably the only place on earth where this card makes sense

[@1967KID]

I'm in Puerto Rico and electric is very expensive i have 4 computers network and we don't use them that much i pay $ 215.00 every month in electric only and it's 1 floor house 3 rooms 2 restrooms.

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

So besides getting a workout lifting the thing you can use it as a portable sauna. That you can also game on!

[@jaroslavmrazek5752]

700 fucking watts from one component, this isnt about money anymore honestly. I do not want a space heater in my place, especially in summer. I already have it crazy with AC.

[@Blu9ty]

It’s cpu and gpu combined they do it to account for GPU overhead

[@christophermullins7163]

The 5080 will be less efficient!

[@davidm.corbin4643]

700!?! the 565. Like sure I want a 5090 but I've got a 1000w PSU. I don't have that much room in my power budget

[@Mart-E12]

The heating in my room has been completely off ever since I bought the 3080ti, with this card I'd have to open the window even through winter

[@KS-tz9sg]

twice the total system power of a normal gaming PC in just one card

[@mrctuned2844]

I have the Suprim Liquid X 4090 and love it, I'm very excited to see the 4090 Ti version. Thanks Steve!

[@DracoThinks]

Gaming with this thing on your desk will take "sweaty" to the next level, literally.

[@fredfinks]

Latest hardware, cards / cpus / etc are almost always the most efficient. Dont look at what it consumes at 120fps 4k ultra. look at a given non peak metric of say 60fps 1440p or 4k vs other cards. Id wager 5090 is THE most efficient. e.g. 4080 more efficient than all the GPUs that came before it. 3080 same with what came before. A CPU can run an old game practically on idle, yet in 2005 cpu would have to draw a ton in comparison. Should i run my 4080 at 4k 120hz and consume 500+watts? no way. 60hz doesnt worry me so much, i play at that and save all that extra power draw and heat.

[@no.no.4680]

This is why I stopped sweating to regulate body temperature. Too many sweats online.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@fredfinks Same

[@HomieFFM]

3000 Euro GPU... Ahh yeah here is your plastic straw to keep it in place... 😂

[@zingwilder9989]

Yeah. That was very generous of MSI.

[@Quizack]

Over 4500 in Australia. Probably about 4700 with our GST. Crazy stuff

[@pedroferrr1412]

@@Quizack In Portugal, some places sell the 4090 at 3400€, not one 5090 to sell.

[@Quizack]

@@pedroferrr1412 You have us beat. When they were in stock, the 4090 was about 3500 AUD, which is about 2100 EUR. We cry the same tears, but yours are heavier 😭

[@grzes.witalis]

Minimum 4000Euro 😂

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

700W + holy shit... Not like I have 2k to throw on a GPU nor a PC capable of handling it, but with electricity bills here in EU this thing would really do some damage to the bank account not only when you buy it, but even every time you use it.

[@shaurendev]

Think of the heat it adds into the room!

[@aerosw1ft]

That meme about the RTX 5090 needing its own external power cord might not be that far fetched after all..

[@ratshackmojo]

Don’t forget double the idle power also. Some of us also use our machines for work/play

[@shiho1481]

@@shaurendev you can save on heating, just don't turn it off 😅

[@tracktornator]

It would cost around £0.36 an hour here in the uk, but that could be about £14.40 if you use it for 40 hours a week or £750 a year so it would add up!

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Nvidia and their AIBs should start offering an direct AC power input next time.

[@logipilot]

look up "captains workspace 4090" 😂

[@bloodzkull]

Honestly, I wouldn't be upset about it hey. Much cleaner in the case too

[@ReivecS]

I keep a portable AC in my room in the summer for when my PC is going hard and my GPU is half the wattage.

[@hyouzanren1846]

They are thinking about it.....and of course at extra cost

[@logipilot]

@ "AC" has two meanings: "Alternating Current" (meaning: wall socket power) and "Air Condition"

[@tayson786]

Finally now i can afford an RTX 20 series card..

[@ancientflames]

2080ti for 300$ is the most I’d pay.

[@bigdeagle1331]

600 watts! We’re going the wrong way! Screw this card

[@N0N0111]

80°C power connector, 800 Watts of power draw on a 600Watt certified cable. 2x 12V-2x6 600 Watts, this could easily solve this giant issue. But nooooo...

[@imglidinhere]

I'm wholly expecting to see these cables melt in due time. 700w is absurd. We went from Nvidia talking about efficiency with a 350w card, and I thought that was crazy. That's downright reasonable versus what we've got now! xD

[@killerful]

Keep in mind that 700W was combined power draw. Closest is 650W for the card itself when OCd

[@imglidinhere]

@killerful Good point, that's my mistake... Even still though, 650w is just silly for a single component...

[@luminol1248]

There's this classic video of a olympic cyclist powering a toaster, and that was 700 W

[@korana6308]

I remember the meme days of Fermi cards when people cooked bacon and eggs on it... and that was only up to 250 watts cards and everyone was going nuts about it like 15 years ago. Now it's 3 times that power of a Fermi card lol

[@koleth1]

Reason why I went with 4080 (OC) and not the 4090. At that time, to me, the 4090 didn't seem stable to me with Watts power and overall temperature. Now we pumped up the power even more and it feels "borderline" on the edge of TOO hot for 5090. It's great to have a powerful card but when there's a chance of it being too powerful to the point of unstable, I don't see a point.

[@Diegonando64]

this thing has 575W TDP and nobody is complaining about it WTF

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

I do, that is very hot, very eco-unfriendly and very unnecessary.

[@oZiiix]

Everyone is complaining, but so far it looks like reducing the power target reduces tdp well with minimal perf loss just like the 4090.

[@-33312]

IKR! All for a measly 30% increase. Admittedly I wouldn't have minded if it was at least 60% uplift but just 30%?

[@diogodxavier]

It is Nvidia so they get a pass. If was AMD all reviews would be bashing the power usage.

[@Looskidify]

TDP was only an issue when AMD 7000 series was high TDP. It was beating the 4080 and 4080 super but every Nvidia guy ragged on it for power usage. But now that Nvidia basically just cranked the power usage on their 5000 series, it’s okay now. No need to complain about TDP. Move along, the internet will collectively move past high power usage being an issue

[@gelul12]

When your gpu makes your ATX board look like a mini itx

[@PiotrBarcz]

xD

[@imkiyori]

There's definitely melting 5090 cables for sure

[@PiotrBarcz]

Not if you're not stupid and overclocking the card too hard.

[@puciohenzap891]

The 4090 was nothing, give it 2 weeks and overclock forums will be full of pictures of burnt connectors, esp. the watercooled ones that have less airflow around.

[@wymanbartlett4648]

decorative brushed aluminum should always be clear coated.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Agreed

[@nossy232323]

I still can't get over the power draw of these things, that's just insane! I got a MSI RTX 4090 Suprim myself, but that was really at the top of my price range. Seems like I won't be getting any RTX 5090 or RTX 6090 in the future.

[@shiho1481]

Why no RTX 6090? No space under window to mount a radiator?

[@nossy232323]

@@shiho1481 Because the RTX 6090 will be build on a smaller node and so will be more expensive yet again.

[@LucaZani-r9t]

​@@nossy232323usually when node shrinks cards get pricier but also considerably faster. We can hope AMD to compete in a reasonable way so prices stays normal. Who am I kidding Amd will always screw things up and Nvidia will always increase prices

[@dillon_r_hansen]

@@nossy232323hope it’s more improved. Gotta buy the 6090 for the plethora of jokes you can make at its expense.

[@romuluxb]

Sounds perfect. Hopefully there are more like you and won t sell and next gen they lower them to 1600 again.

[@Antonis24]

The ASUS RTX 5090 Astral OC is even more absurd! It's similarly sized to this, but costs $2800, i.e. $400 more than the Suprim OC and $800 more than the FE model...

[@InfernusdomniAZ]

Asus has gone off the deep end the last few years. Everything they sell is 5 to 20 percent more than any of their competitors. I would assume it's tariffs but alot of their competitors are based in the same country so. .

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

And is worse, that 4th fan is junk.

[@KevinBocky1]

Asus tax 😂

[@aos32]

400USD can get you a custom water cooling loop. The FE model is a extremly good card considering the price versus competitors and cooling performance for such a relatively small cooler then.

[@medovk]

how does the Astral overclock in comparison to Suprim? saw 1 review and that guy didnt even OC the card so pretty useless.

[@hsew]

They’ve priced it in anticipation for scalpers at launch.

[@dragonman910]

People are already scalping the 5090 for double the price.

[@brucedklein]

If that's truly the price the market will bear then I reluctantly support this approach as the lesser evil. I'd rather the money go to companies that make things I want than to scalpers who do nothing productive for anyone.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

​​​​​@@brucedkleinScalping with the power of modern Internet has ruined every single hobby out there.

[@youraveragejoephoto]

Came looking for the “you know what else is massive” comments. Wasn’t disappointed in the slightest… good job guys

[@goodflyer2012]

11:12 coil wine on a $2000 GPU is insane, instant return.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

Sadly it's the norm and inherent to switchmode PSUs/regulators. They _all_ whine to some extent. Just a matter of if you can hear it or not (out of the frequency range humans can hear) or if the manufacturer has taken extra steps against it, like covering the inductors (commonly referred to as "coils" by people with no clue) in epoxy to stop them from vibrating and creating those noises. That's still easier said than done when you're dealing with a variable load like on a GPU though

[@garypinholster1962]

Dont be pedantic. Inductors are literally coils of wire. ​@@Knaeckebrotsaege

[@Shini1984]

Absolutely, and ignore anyone who says otherwise. If you can barely hear coil whine, it's already too loud.

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

@@Shini1984 good job telling people to ignore how physics work. clown

[@puciohenzap891]

Its normal for SMPS to whine...

[@TehMagilla]

There's a Suprim 4090Ti? :o

[@James-dc6ft]

5090 got the double standing Steve video treatment. Damn

[@ScotsmanGamer]

how sad is your life you need to use the cliché line for attention?

[@Empireo_sebastian]

​@ScotsmanGamer Let bro meme you party pooper

[@LucaZani-r9t]

​@ScotsmanGamerrage bait is not funny bro. Never was, never will be

[@ScotsmanGamer]

@@Empireo_sebastian Tell me you're indeed a weeb virgin without telling me?

[@ScotsmanGamer]

@ or i'm being honest!

[@jacobdavidson9752]

its nice to see the 4090 ti being re- released again!

[@ironhulk1979]

thats what poor people say

[@jacobdavidson9752]

@@ironhulk1979nah just people with common sense lol

[@ironhulk1979]

@@jacobdavidson9752 you misspelt POOR

[@conyo985]

@@ironhulk1979 Steve said it too. So by your logic, you are calling Steve poor.

[@Methamphetamine420]

@@ironhulk1979 child left behind....

[@lordcustard-smythe-smith9153]

Did the street lights go dim when you overclocked it ?

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

looking at this, the FE model is a marvel of engineering

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yeah

[@TechOverwrite]

12:47 What? 761 watts? 😮 Wow. Okay, that's crazy high.

[@Tconl]

5090FE with a little bit of powerlimiting (if you exclude the pricing itself) is a truly amazing card.

[@pedro4205]

This is GPU + CPU, HUB count it together to account for GPU overhead

[@zelasd3125]

They really should have added additional PCI-E connector there, I'm not exactly excited running that through that shitty 12 pin connector.

[@shiho1481]

"this is fine" 🔥🐶🔥

[@Aggrofool]

I thought the max a card could draw is 675W?

[@allstar0419]

5:45 For the price of this card it should come with a pair of white gloves!

[@WayStedYou]

Is that for when they ask you to bend over and cough?

[@philslaya]

​@WaytedYou daddy jason needs.that new jacket😅

[@Monique-iz8lp]

Whew, finally a small form factor high end GPU. Not that it fits into an SFX case, it is the size of it.

[@JohnWalsh2019]

It becomes the case.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@JohnWalsh2019 😂

[@ajtay9534]

10:07 Seriously.. am I the only one seeing this GPU pushed to 600W, ie max capacity, ie max rate connector load, ie potential fire hazard. I am so confused with these 5090s.

[@cameron2319]

It’s not a concern to reach max capacity, it’s a concern to go past it though. You can see on this thermal testing that it is nowhere near the max thermal resistance for these connectors (105c) so there would be no fire risk unless the user is very neglectful and has poor cooling + poor connection with the cable.

[@randomguydoes2901]

​@@cameron2319This test says nothing. 4090 test would show the same. We still have a 10% safety margin on 600W rating with a 600 watt power use. Do a test later in time, have a few specks of dust in there - What do you think happens with the resistance? It inevitably goes up. These will melt.

[@Maximado]

780 Watt, Great Scott! This is just fancy $3000 space heater not GPU lol.

[@rbroccoli_]

That is ridiculously massive 😮

[@Aggrofool]

Yeah he is but what about the card?

[@jacobdavidson9752]

thats what she said

[@LucaZani-r9t]

It is! But you know what else is massive?

[@Mike111Chou]

@@LucaZani-r9tlow

[@blackgoose87]

@@Mike111Choutaper

[@Ginpachi-sensei-4u]

That thing isn't a card anymore 💀

[@Taipan278]

5090 isn't a card it's the whole damn deck

[@Sirkingx]

its GPU Graphics processing "ABSOLUTE UNIT"

[@BlackDragonBE]

"That thing was too big to be called a GPU. Too big, too thick, too heavy and too rough. It was more like a large hunk of iron."

[@laxminarayananks1520]

@@BlackDragonBE JENSEEEEEEEN!!!!!

[@CaptainJonathan]

Graphics brick

[@Hennerbo]

A single hour of gaming on this in germany: about 20-30cts in electricity😂 And have fun in the summer at over 30°C in a small apartment, preferably directly under the roof.

[@haukikannel]

No need to buy summer holiday nearer the sun! 😂

[@vladimirdosen6677]

You got money to buy this, but not for AC and electricity?

[@Moebius13200]

Because you’ve abandoned the nuclear option, here in France the cost in electricity is far inferior compared to Germany

[@Blafard666]

If you have a "small apartment", probably you should save that money ...

[@vladimirdosen6677]

@@Moebius13200 yeah, it's not at all because of the war in Ukraine.

[@cichlidspecies]

MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC looks at the Motherboard: "Look at me, I am the motherboard now 🗣👁👁"

[@FiveFiveZeroTwo]

5:55 Are the port labels upside-down when used in a normal case?

[@davidberg698]

It also serves as an air fryer.

[@Quizack]

Literally just dropped some hot chips in my air fryer as I read this comment. Are you watching me?

[@jayrap94]

Remember the days when we were all panicking about how we couldn't fit an ATI Radeon HD 5870 in our typical gaming cases of the time? They just keep getting bigger and bigger!

[@Hugh_I]

Yeah I gotta say, while I'm not all that impressed with the 5090 overall (wouldn't buy one even if I were though), one thing Nvidia did very well with the FE cards is to figure out how to make a ridiculous level of power draw coolable without continuing the trend of ever increasing sizes. It's still quite a chunker in the other dimensions, but at least its not taking up 4 slots anymore.

[@GraceLifeMinistries]

I think it’s pronounced “Bios” not “Bahs.” LOL

Dude I was shocked when you take the card out from behind. 😲 That is massive

[@geralt_silverhand]

Price: $2500💀 Size: Ridiculously huge💀 TDP: 750W💀 Performance: native 30fps in CP2077😂

[@aerosw1ft]

RTX 6090 might actually need its own external power cord at this point

[@fabulousd6891]

it will need its own case too

[@logipilot]

the 4090 at "captains workspace" has it already !

[@masejoer]

Not the first time. The prototype 3DFX Voodoo 5 6000 used an external power brick. Then the company went under.

[@puciohenzap891]

It will be a lower node, so probably not. 5090 is just a stop gap, a swan song of current technology.

[@Sandmonki-r8u]

80c on the power connector doesn’t seem safe at all tbh… I don’t know why they don’t just have 2 Connectors instead.

[@hirosese]

saves on cost and thermal spread

[@N0N0111]

80°C power connector, 800 Watts of power draw on a 600Watt certified cable. 2x 12V-2x6 600 Watts, this could easily solve this giant issue. But nooooo...

[@hirosese]

@@N0N0111the amount of potential heat from load spikes could blow the card with 1200 watts running through it, like they said the card is at it’s limit

[@N0N0111]

@ It's over the limits already, let's not pretend it isn't.

[@TheDumbTake-xb6rr]

When Jensen said $10,000 gsming entertainment system, he wasn't joking 😮

[@hammernet82]

good review, but why no udnervolting?

[@tahustvedt]

They should just put an angled PCIE connector on it and make the PCB parallell withthe motherboard. They will get so much more room for cooling and people rarely use any other expansion slots anyway. They could even add mopre PCIE connectors to it both to increase power/data throughput but also to improve mechanical stability.

[@MogCity2]

In my 20 years of being an electrician im confident a plug connection at 78-80⁰ won't last long. We actually look for hotspots and repair them.

[@PiotrBarcz]

This things made for it

[@MogCity2]

@PiotrBarcz 700watts is 58.3 amps at 12v. Poor or undersized connections creates heat. It shouldn't ever be a baseline standard

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@MogCity2 Like I said, if it can handle it, then it's not a problem. It is true that there are better solutions but if it works, it works. A lot of people here are saying the card should get its own AC adapter which I think is a fantastic idea given then the GPU doesn't have to be counted into the PSU's power limit and also means the connectors are beefier.

[@MogCity2]

@@PiotrBarcz you wouldn't make it as an electrician

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@MogCity2 You wouldn't make it as a GPU designer I don't think, we're not talking construction grade wiring here my guy

[@champion1642]

750w is absolutely ridiculous. Don't even need heating during winter if you have this card blasting heat around the room like a space heater.

[@N0N0111]

80°C power connector, 800 Watts of power draw on a 600Watt certified cable. 2x 12V-2x6 600 Watts, this could easily solve this giant issue. But nooooo...

[@ratshackmojo]

Someone needs to place the FE and AIB cards in a real world case and use it with various CPUs and big air/AIO models. One review has the 5090FE cooking an air cooled 9800X3D to 95C!

[@seibstershots9527]

Well done NVIDIA 🔥

[@timtaifig6873]

Do you have a link to this review ? Thanks.

[@LeeMc007]

But who in the right mind would have a £2000+ graphics Card and a £500+ CPU and use an air cooler on the CPU? Literally no-one, I'm not defending how crazy this 50 series generation is, just that that match up makes zero sense.

[@LusiTheCat]

This is misleading lock GN FE 5090 runs on full last with 80c and 90c memory and this is complatly fine for 2 slot and 5xx watt

[@ratshackmojo]

@ The FE keeps those decent temps because it's moving the heat out of the card, up towards the CPU in a tower case. You have to dissipate 500+ watts of heat somewhere. You're not cheating physics.

[@KeepIt1HuniTT]

Very nice review and loved the fact that you checked the cable temperatures.

[@nexttonic6459]

So in your testing there are or are not fake frames?

[@nimrodery]

It would be hilarious if FE owners activate framegen, then activate an FPS cap to deal with the coil whine. Someone please do that.

[@KRawatXP2003]

Time to place PC sideways.

[@jjlw2378]

Nvidia definitely should have given these cards 2x12vhpwr. 80°C on the cable seems extremely hot. All these cards are going to be heavily power limited, and 2x12vhpwr would allow for some really interesting vbios/OC potential! I really want to see how far a 5090 could stretch if allowed to suck down 800w+.

[@tourmaline07]

Completely agree with this - given the amount of problems with these connectors in the past nVidia should have used multiple ones for each card at 600W. Had a look at MSIs images for their upcoming Lightning 5090s and they look as if they might use dual 12vhpwr. I think it will be fun to see how high they can go , but I'll be watching someone else doing it rather than running my own power bills up!

[@Frozoken]

It's because the whole reason they made it is to only need one power cable but they pushed power so fast that they basically ran into the power limits of one cable in a single generation lmfao. They really should've just changed to eps/cpu 8 pin cables. Much better compatability and no melting with still a much better 336 watts per cable if they just mandate the same higher wire thickness as they did with the 16 pin

[@SargonDragon]

It's fine at 80C. It's a connector, not a CPU. It would have to reach around 200C before it fails.

[@ultimategohan1551]

5 8 pins lined up and connected to a gpu would look absolutely crazy lmao ​@@Frozoken

[@garystinten9339]

​@@tourmaline07I was thinking the same thing.. dual 12vhpwr slots wouldn't have bothered me at all. Hopefully there is a dual split cable for this very idea. Means I upgrade the PSU but know it's safe for the future.

[@jordandbs9768]

is there a video that shows the pc you put the GPU in? he is magnificent!!!!!!

[@white_mage]

fun fact: the human skin begins to burn at 60°c. that power connector was hot enough to burn your fingers.

[@kalyans4879]

722 watts!!! Crazy really have to sell the 2nd kidney to pay the power bill.

[@PiotrBarcz]

That's for the whole PC

[@rkwjunior2298]

Makes you appreciate how well Nvidia did with engineering the FE being only a 2 slot.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yup

[@rickgear2579]

I would say thoughts and prayers for those who sold their 4090s with the expectation at that they will get a 5090.

[@LucianPrimeOneMillion]

I bought mine in August and was disappointed that it wouldn't be top of the crop much longer. But that's on me.

[@spacextreme1]

750 watts…what the hell. Really gotta go green with gaming now I guess…a total of around 1000 watts the whole system will take…3-4 hours of gaming is definitely gonna increase the electric cost too

[@ThunderWolfUE]

WTF 750W+ power draw JUST FOR A GPU... %50 more power draw for %20 performance truly a NVIDIA moment

[@MrLutijen]

Absolutely ridiculous size. And that cheap plastic stand on such a premium product...MSI...why, oh why?

[@tourmaline07]

The previous Suprim cards have quite a neat metal stand - one came with my 4080 Super version - this one is utter trash in comparison tbh. I don't like the boxy look and lack of RGB of this card compared to previous Suprim designs. At least give us a good lightbar highlighting the fin stack , like the ROG Astral. Also the support pillars could have been done more discreetly tbh.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@ I got an Expert card from them and also got a metal stand, guess they ran out of those already or something.

[@juan5h]

The fact that the FE achieved much smaller size and the temperatures are good makes this MSI Mammot not worth it

[@TheChronix112]

the temps on the memory of the founder is not good. makes me worry about the card throttling in the summer. This card is way more expensive but the cooling is much better.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@TheChronix112 Not even close to as efficient considering how utterly massive it is and how much more expensive it is (and how ghastly the brushed aluminum finish is)

[@fabrb26]

Back in the 80's a phone would need you to have a dedicated cabinet to put it on. At this rate in the 30's we will need a car garage for our GPU to put it inside.

[@jasongillis1336]

Makes for a great whole room heater for the winter.

[@sam1286]

Can someone explain why secondary bios ran cooler than primary bios? I thought they should be the same only that secondary is a backup bios

[@JaredJ-s4y]

One is labeled silent: less noise, higher temps, lower clocks. The other is gaming: more noise, lower temps, higher clocks

[@LadiciusFMU]

According to Tech Power up its retailing for $2400 USD .... Yikes

[@haukikannel]

Not bad actually if that is the real retail price… I was expecting more from top models… 😂

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yeah now the price to performance is gonna be worse than the 4090

[@Igor69420]

I thought the 5090 was rated for 575 watts it’s insane that it’s constantly hitting over 700 watts

[@Blafard666]

Thats a partner card, I guess it doesn't apply to them ...

[@PiotrBarcz]

Bro can't listen or read apparently. That's the TOTAL POWER DRAW FOR THE WHOLE COMPUTER. The card can only pull 600 watts from that connector before things shut down!

[@Igor69420]

⁠​⁠@@PiotrBarcz That’s my mistake but you can clearly see in the video the card pulls over 600 watts when overclocked and the system didn’t shut down

[@PiotrBarcz]

@ Ok well then I guess it can draw that much without issues, that's good.

[@jeffsmith6659]

At this point just put feet on the GPU and stick the rest of the computer inside it.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

This is the 12th 5090 benchmark video I have watched with several more to go. Cant wait for the benchmarks for the white gigabyte aorus 5090.

[@gjonezin]

Is there a hot spot sensor in that card?

[@th3orist]

this will set you back in germany at least 2800€

[@ivanor8621]

Rtx 5090 idiocracy edition

[@lustfulscholar1199]

At this point, it's now a graphics brick

[@playloud90278]

I'm concerned about the normal thermal paste, thinking it will pump out fairly quickly at those temps. How difficult is it to get it open to repaste? 19 screws doesn't sound bad, but that "suction" you mentioned feels scary with such an expensive card.

[@Alalpog]

Can we just go back to tripple 8 pin or level it up with quad 8pins?

[@conyo985]

2500$ here in the Philippines for the cheapest AIB model I found. Just to note we pay here 12% VAT so the MSRP is 2200+$. Insane markup here.

[@rado.radev123]

12% insane markup? You ok bro?

[@conyo985]

@@rado.radev123 Why? You have disposable income?

[@rado.radev123]

@conyo985 I am ready to get 5070ti. I do not need 5090 for the work that I do on my pc. Nvidia can charge anything they want as long as there is no competition. Don't complain that you can't buy a Ferrari therefore Ferrari sux.... There are passengers for every train!

[@ilovelimpfries]

Anybody know when will the 5080 reviews will drop?

[@effeb2889]

29th

[@BusesAreFatCars]

My 4090 FE is already too big. This is ridiculous. It seems Nvidia didn't share their new cooling tech with their board partners.

[@shiho1481]

Partners design cost-effective, in some cases materials cost less then production and research, so many use OEM radiator design.

[@WayStedYou]

The tech is make a super expensive cooler because you get all the margin because you are nvidia

[@nimrodery]

Why would they? They don't allow their board partners to experiment on their own, and hardware is nerfed before partners get the retail edition, making it difficult to bypass power limitations or achieve a better OC than the FE without raising the cost substantially, and the profit margin is basically set by NVidia. Neither AMD nor NVidia should be competing with their board partners at all.

[@roedw]

FE probably has too much copper or other costly precious metals for them to use that design. Or they don't have that kind of production capabilities.

[@GadgetsHigh]

Looking forward to gigabyte aorus master rtx 5090 review

[@matttiaz7576]

finally the 4090Ti overclock video. Thanks Steave.

[@RathaSiv]

Love my RTX 4090 even more after seeing this video.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

No shlt, it's still a perfectly beastly 4K card.

[@thewhiteknight9923]

And it's not like steve is a short guy. Even then, the 5090 looks huge😨 Looking at the temperature difference, I wonder why Nvidia did not increase the cooler thickness for a 3 slot card considering how the absolute hog of the msi card that does not use liquid metal

[@scratchy996]

I had to take a step back from the screen, to see the card in its entirety.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Because the temps are fine on the FE. They're hot but they're acceptable. The card is WAY smaller, WAY more efficient, WAY more cost effective and in general I can't really see any reason not to use it.

[@djsnowpdx]

I am privileged to have the RTX 4090 version of this card. I under clocked it to use 150 W by lowering the power target and so doing I was able to reach a level where the card is generally in Audible. I also had to purchase a fiber optic display port cable for around $60 in order to isolate the graphics card from my sound system. This was not necessary with a standard computer speaker system, but was necessary when I upgraded to studio monitors. I am painfully aware that 150 W is below the performance sweet spot for efficiency of the RTX 4090 but for me overall performance has been superb and silence is king. I would consider scooping up this card to replace the one I have, but I don’t think I am willing to get up in the morning and refresh my page for it. I would have been happy with an RTX 4070 with 16 GB of memory and enough cooling to reach similar audio levels. I think the biggest thing that should give gamers pause about this graphics card is that it is faster than we need. I play single player titles at 1440 ultra wide resolution with a 165 Hz monitor and most of my games are capped at 60 frames per second anyway. I tried Ray tracing in Nvidia demo games, but I do not play any games that negatively support Ray tracing apart from those. I almost forgot to mention: I got my graphics card for $1750 or a $150 premium over MSRP. I made my purchase in April 20 23 and I could have chosen another online retailer which promised a $50 discount if I were willing to wait until June to have it shipped. At the time, I thought this was a risk as well as being deprived of the brand new computer. I had just built in all its glory for much longer. I was correct. By June, you could get cards like this for that price anyway. as for the pricing of the card showcase in this video, my guess is MSI will charge a $200 premium over MSRP. That would be fairly in line with the premium they charged for the 4090 version. I do not want to be the one holding the bag if the AI bubble were to pop, so I will not be buying any more graphics cards unless I have a buyer lined up for my 4090.

[@shmayazuggot8558]

A DAC would of been a better option.

[@AdjointGaming]

So, what about the temperatures inside the box ? Is it the same as having a 4090 or more ? Does it create any issues on CPU cooling if you have a good ventilation system or it is an issue going from 4090 to 5090 ?

[@Spinelli__]

Default clock test: GPU 66-67 degrees, fans 1640 RPM Overclocked test: GPU 78 degrees, fans 1410 RPM So the overclocked test not only used a different fan curve (probably the silent bios') but a fan curve that resulted in running the fans 230 RPM slower even though the temps were 11-12 degrees hotter. Awesome testing! Real thumbs up there, guys!

[@wdunn06]

Good point

[@ausnorman8050]

NO 5800X3D :P Also are you doing any undervolt testing with the 5090 cards? Also almost pushing 3kg (2836g)!

[@MeticulousTechTV]

So it’s founders edition or nothing. They truly did revolutionize GPU coolers with this release

[@Saurion1]

Did you miss the part where the memory temps were 16º lower on the MSI?

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@ Did you miss the part where you see a laughable 2 slot bracket and flimsy plastic GPU holder?

[@Saurion1]

@ I'm not saying this design is good, I'm saying the FE isn't good either. Both are subpar for their absurd price point.

[@RuneBa1]

@@Saurion1msi is louder with coil whine

[@Saurion1]

@@RuneBa1 Quite the opposite. He said the FE was louder and with more coil while. Got any listening comprehension issues?

[@cuekumber3292]

We coming closer to the realization that one day a GPU will have a rear power out that goes straight into your wall socket. This card was pulling 600W on OC mode. Thats crazy.

[@Smood47]

Did you test it with a riser cable? Doesn't that impact performance?

[@Mark__A]

Wow, a price and power usage of a whole PC.