Asus Claim We're Wrong About TUF Gaming A15 Issues, Are They Right?

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[@vladimirmarinov6730]

Making manufacturers "very angry". My favourite type of honest journalism.

[@AzarelHoward]

ASUS' marketing team is clearly in isolated damage control mode and isn't talking to the engineering team. So much of the responses are canned double speak.

[@johnknightiii1351]

More like marketing frustrated and engineering justifying

[@XenonG]

@@johnknightiii1351 More like, no more review samples! :(

[@Rhino123freak]

I hope they keep this up. It makes a difference!

[@LiLBitsDK]

Hardware Unboxed: The product sucks and could be improved Asus: Reeeeeeeeee Hardware Unboxed: *dremmels the chassis* Asus: *sub to get the next episode on Hardware Unboxed and find out how Asus responds*

[@Fate025]

Spending $2000 of their own money just to see, if the manufacturer’s claims are “justified”. Mad respect for you guys, sure makes me glad I’m subscribed and watching their videos constantly.

[@loc1123]

this is a battle of credibility. both can't really afford to lose.

[@haku-kun4384]

Same

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

So many channels be like: "I wanted to do a review but they never sent a review unit 😭" lol

[@deucedeuce1572]

Same... but he didn't lose $2000.00. He still has a laptop that he can use or sell... and it's only the one part that's replaceable. I'm sure he's gonna have warranty problems with it... but he don't seem like the kind of guy that sends his computers to be fixed for him.... and I think (and hope) he made enough money off the video to justify it all.

[@torentmonkey]

MILITARY GRADE airflow restriction

[@shreyasdalvi1149]

Underated comment😂

[@torentmonkey]

@Harsh Kumar you have no idea how many kids I chased around with a stick when I was in school :))

[@aadharsh1094]

@Harsh Kumar 😅😅

[@user-uq3um5nq7d]

Ur surname means milk in my country

[@torentmonkey]

@@user-uq3um5nq7d that's a new one :))

[@hytsyl]

Well done - the new A15 now has stock air-intake vents like the ones you manually cut. Thank you for helping them create a better budget product for the ppl to enjoy.

[@deucedeuce1572]

Hope they've made some more improvements since then. (I remember when the Gateway FX laptops (like the P-171X FX) came out and they had Serious heat problems. Was a real pain in the ass. Have always worried about heating issues since then (...and SSD drives are Very susceptible to heat).

[@djwoodgate]

They were mad to think people buying a gaming laptop would prefer a pretty bottom over good airflow..

[@ebsmith1102]

Congratulations on buying another ASUS laptop just to take it apart. Such dedication to calling out BS should be applauded.

[@chillz739]

I second this

[@NightMotorcyclist]

It was nice of Hardware Unboxed to give Jarrod's Tech TWO of these laptops to test.

[@zerosystem8743]

It was nice of them to “optimize for real world scenarios” by installing a poor screen. For content creators give them poor color performance. For gamers give them a panel with bad motion blur. At least they have that Mil-Spec since that is my number one concern. Wait, if it was wouldn’t I buy an LG Gram or a Dell Latitude 14 Rugged Extreme?

[@NeXMaX]

@@zerosystem8743 It's just marketing crap because the TUF name was used on stuff like the old Sabertooth boards, which were actually built really well. These days, the TUF brand is reduced to just one designed for entry-level "gaming" gear and while there are some decent options, there are also plenty of mediocre junk with "military spec engineering" marketing plastered all over.

[@zerosystem8743]

D13H4RD2L1V3 Yep, just like how things are labeled as “Tactical”. It’s like look guys; tactical knives, tactical sunglasses, tactical bacon, and tactical baby gear.

[@KingSulley]

Remember when Asus released a 5700XT with loose screws, and then failed to take responsibility, blaming AMD instead? The response here makes it sound like their PR department still haven't learned anything.

[@dreamcat4]

lol yeah. probable the same people

[@JavierB0616]

And what's shocking none of the others manufactures had that issue and they *followed* the same guidelines that AMD gave them.

[@ClayWheeler]

TBH I understood this since 2017 when Ryzen line ups being introduced for the first time. Never buy any AMD or Radeon related products if it is assembled by Asus. It's been 3 years and my stereotype of Asus is still true. Guess Asus is biased to Intel when making perfect Hardware solution. Asus only want money so they just making products that people are looking for, with half assed quality. While other brands never being Biased towards Intel or AMD in terms of quality.

[@Elc22]

Or, the 5700xt that didn't have proper cooling due to a garbage heat sink design?

[@ClayWheeler]

@@Elc22 no, Asus designed ALL 5000 series Radeon Cards wrong 5500, 5600, 5700 non-XT and XT. Wrong Voltage and Wattage value and controller, Wrong amount of electrical components on the Card's PCB design (some are too thick or too thin) so the amount of Electricity flowing through the Card is wrong straight from the Factory and cannot be solved by Bios flash or Bios update

[@MuraMuraLoL]

Asus engineers: No! You can't simply cut holes into a laptop and expect better thermals it's a very complex design process that takes the mutual benefit of all laptop components at the same time even the aco..... Hardware Unboxed: haha Dremel goes brrrr

[@eternalkino34]

Haha underrated

[@alister214]

Lmao

[@campkira]

they design to be infior...

[@tomaszkuczynski4329]

Buahahaha

[@trabadix]

Like DOOM guy making a big hole in mars surface haha

[@ioaniorgu5662]

So rarely do you find people who care about their integrity more than anything else. I often get the impression that people who do reviews try to please everyone and lose their credibility. Thank you!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Not sure if we will make a tee with "Hard Brown-Box" on it :S

[@aminyenye]

That would be the shit. I'll be seeing myself out.

[@arnoldo9319]

Hmmm. Harbour unboxed is pretty good too

[@timjanssen2771]

You should make on and collaborate with noctua on it to get the best browness for your hard Box with best out of the Box thermals.

[@loopernagic4658]

So a wooden box?

[@Anzrul]

It could be a plain brown cardboard box weathering blows from a hammer and an anchor

[@stevesmith1383]

He’s being quite TUF on the product

[@user-xg6zz8qs3q]

I'd punch a hole in the wall reading this comment if I worked for Asus 😂

[@adilakhtar007]

He is Honest like TUF that's really wonderful 🤩

[@exzobree9158]

A15 year old would have agreed to what he said!

[@kentfyeratanye378]

where is that VRM is that R15 modules?

[@SunoSunoDuniyaKeLogo]

Ba dum tsssss. . .

[@Evangelus6]

Asus: "we had to focus on the overall longevity of the entire unit" CPU bouncing off thermal throttling limits regularly: "Ummm... K."

[@shrujanamsyama9940]

CPUs are designed to throttle and they don't get damaged even when played at high temperatures for long. But other components will be damaged if overheated

[@Evangelus6]

​@@shrujanamsyama9940 CPU's are designed to thermal throttle for the same reason cars have a rev-limiter: because if you go any higher, you'll break something. Possibly hitting the limiter from time to time when you're working it hard is what it's designed for. Running the machine bouncing off the limiter non-stop is not what it's designed for. Besides, if you're thermal throttled, the CPU is underclocking. You may as well have just put in a smaller CPU at that point. because a 2.6ghz cpu running at 2.6 is better than a 2.9ghz cpu that's thermal throttled back to 2.3! This FAQ from Intel: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005597/processors.html "The goal for a system builder or a do-it-yourself (DIY) end user is to design a platform configuration that keeps the processor under the Tjunction max threshold during heavy workloads to maximize performance of the system"

[@foxgaming76yt24]

I remember reading somewhere that the reason why the temps are so high up is due to some feature amd added to their laptops, which can be switched off. It was called virtual super sampling to something. The individual said it went down from 100+c to below 80. I can’t verify the claims, but if that is true, then should I buy this laptop? Also yeah, you’re right, i rather have a laptop that functions normally at 2.6ghz instead of one with a cpu that can potentially go up to 2.9ghz, but is only at 2.3ghz because its power has been reduced due to too much heat.

[@Evangelus6]

@@foxgaming76yt24 sadly, because specs and dimensions are all people care about, it's getting harder and harder to find one that DOESNT do this... Best way around it is to get a lower wattage CPU. If a laptop has R7 and R5 options, chances are the R5 one is rocking the same cooling solution as was used on the R7 model... Just have to see if you can fine one with the ram, SSD and GPU spec you want with the lower processor

[@shubhangbhargava682]

@@shrujanamsyama9940 what other components are you talking about?

[@tresnawijaya91]

Waiting for someone to make a custom 3D-printed base lid for this laptop

[@alister214]

They should sell that on ebay or something

[@punman5392]

I was just going to mount some standoffs and point a fan at the base

[@MatteusClement]

after dealing with my boss' macbook 16" with thermal issues, this is the same thing all over again. With an aluminum base and some thermal pads, you could cool this laptop down ALOT. I mean really... who games on their lap?

[@kolamoose8717]

3D print might melt

[@saurav_abhinav]

I'm also waiting for custom base for this laptop.

[@mdrumt]

In short: If ONE guy can mod/test and improve things, then, Asus with a team of engineers could have delivered a better design.

[@GewelReal]

Asus been slacking recently

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

I concur.

[@Muaddibize]

@@GewelReal That's what focusing your marketing on a bunch of brand name fanatics does to a company (Republic of Gamers club).

[@hf2943]

and apple with the shitty cooling design on the macbook air

[@jasoneel76]

Gewel ✔ but zephyrus

[@christopherwood2290]

1:45. That ASUS was livid about your review means you did your job. Numbers don't lie.

[@LiLBitsDK]

some just don't take criticism very well... they want gold medals even if the products are shite (Intel and Nvidia are the same way) if you don't do good reviews they dump you instead of fixing the issues

[@mahoobarc1439]

@@LiLBitsDK Screw them, I will always stick with who I can TRUST. Channels like this help stop ASUS and the like, from RIPPING OFF THE CONSUMER

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

I remember posted his video on Asus TUF facebook post. I guess they saw it lol

[@theskywalker8416]

Asus just lying on "the first laptop with new AMD CPU" so they can said like "our stuffs are cheap and strong so those mistakes can be passed" while literally they can just keep the old FX505 version with 3 exhaust sinks and 5 heat pipes :V

[@DirtyPoul]

All right, so the modification made the VRM hotter. But it also made the CPU run faster by drawing more power. Delivering more power to the CPU should result in hotter VRM. So what happens if you lock the CPU frequency and power delivery to the same watts? That should equalize VRM power consumption and let you compare VRM temperature more directly to see what the difference from the design alone is in isolation.

[@questioneverything9820]

This dude is what every reviewer should aspire to be, 100% called out thier bs and when they responded he directly challenges the response.

[@irony8908]

"Hey our VRM temps are cocked, what do we do?" "Lets block up the vents and throttle our CPU." "You're a f*cking genius!"

[@crewmaster6014]

This comment needs more thumbs up, lol

[@rahuldogra]

Heat pipes cost 5$ ! 🤕🤒

[@mduckernz]

@@rahuldogra Way less than that lol. Trust me if it was that much they would be justified in not using them! (multiply by number of that model made. There's your answer why, heh)

[@alexatkin]

@@rahuldogra Not necessarily the space for more heatpipes to cool the VRMs.

[@saminyead1233]

I really think this was an actual discussion in Asus. :v

[@JarrodsTech]

Amazing investigation, well done 👍

[@Stratovariuification]

Thank you for providing the pictures in this vid!

[@uddeshyasingh9789]

Dude..u r everywhere..

[@muhamadardiyansah446]

@@uddeshyasingh9789 he loves any laptop reviews, mate :D

[@aeebeecee3737]

You are here

[@user-jh6kx1fw9h]

Here's a testimony, bought a ASUS FX505DU laptop recently. AMD Ryzen 7 3750H (which isn't upgradable, because they were lazy to allow this option, to save a buck and make my life miserable) and Nvidia 1660 Ti. The laptop spins its double fans like little jet engines when running any sort of a modern game and cannot be held on the desk any longer. That's how good their "specific" designs are. Never getting Asus again, needless to say. :) EDIT: Wasn't trying to rag on them, or troll anyone: it's the simple truth, meh.

[@akshayrana9351]

Asus is going to hire this guy.

[@nag0074]

No. They won't. Because, if they hire this guy, then the thermals of their budget laptops would increase and more people would prefer these budget laptops and sales of their premium products will decrease

[@illbeyourmoon2049]

The design is like that to help their anti dust fans. So it gives you a longer lifespan overall. 👍🏻

[@GamerBoy705_yt]

Lol

[@robertkubrick3738]

Or you clean them occasionally? I know that's crazy talk, I do that sometimes.

[@jGRite]

Tim: "Why is the SSD install in the left slot instead of the right slot?" *Asus has left the chat* They'll come back stronger. These videos make them better. Good job as always.

[@harbinger224]

Agreed. Asus will be better in the next year. Across the board they have made some very poor thermal decisions lately. Will be good to see their products really improve as a result of these guys picking their choices apart.

[@SHUTENSEPC]

I recognize through the time that ANY Asus notebook sucks at airflow. Either it just sucks from the beginning, or vaccum in the cooling tubes will dissapear after about 2 years

[@algis-kun8777]

it seems that this was a manufacturing mishap as it seems the GTX 1650 version of the laptop does not have the problematic heatsink beside it... It feels like they made the laptop with the 1650 in mind and then just modified it to the 1660 for those who wanted the little bit of extra power.... as a result the design doesn't handle the extra thermal load all that well. Obviously, ASUS is not gonna tell that because: 1. They're trying to sell a product here. 2. Theyre not going to reveal business practices which are confidencial.

[@Negiku]

Maybe because the included ssd does better near the heatpipes than third party ssd(s) which a customer might want to add in the future.

[@scottishgamer7210]

Other tech channel don't know jack how a computer works

[@jacekjagosz]

Aren't VRM temperatures higher in some part because the CPU is consuming more power? That would be a funny consequence.

[@-Yogo]

@@icedoutshef ditto

[@Ming-Chan]

Depends on the quality and efficiency of the VRMs used. Lower would mean more heat is generated while higher means less. Since this is the TUF line, it would naturally have cheaper VRMs than a ROG laptop. While CPU power consumption does play a key role, the power config set is only about 45w which is average and there are many other devices that handle a 45w chip better, be it Intel or AMD.

[@gyorgypisch7174]

That vrm should not run that hot in the first place

[@katech6020]

and they could spend 20$ and make a heatpipe or heatsink for VRM

[@katech6020]

@@icedoutshef yes your are right

[@mamba4942]

"I've sacrificed this laptop here as an experiment so you don't have to" just earned my sub

[@yaikerz1]

I agree almost in all aspects of the video, but I personally bought this laptop and in any way it feels like a bad purchase and a "must not buy", in fact, I found it really good as a Quality/Price product, since almost all of the other laptops with overall same specs, are like $200 to $500 more expensive. That been said, the video it's really complete and the investigation done is simply amazing!

[@yottaXT]

The sad part is that it could've been even better, but they decided not to.

[@MatteusClement]

@@yottaXT this could have been a GOLDEN laptop. As a video editor, the 144hz screen could have gone with a lower Hertz and better color gamut. This simple hack here is amazing.

[@farhank8297]

asus just keep destroying their rep. they dont know how to take feedback and improve their products anymore.

[@kasmidjan]

their reply is typical marketing buzz words

[@LuqmanHM]

@@kasmidjan the person replying might not probably the engineer who designs them which is a normal thing i guess

[@WhiteoutTech]

idk what is going on @ASUS. They continue to destroy their premium brand reputation by releasing such garbage products and then they wonder why fewer people buy their products

[@HuntaKiller91]

True i think the fx505dy is the last asus im using..consider getting an Acer or Lenovo after this

[@gyorgypisch7174]

@@LuqmanHM the person who designed it wasn't an engineer either

[@asmodeusml]

Getting strong Gamer's Nexus vibes here from drilling holes in a poorly ventilated chassis.

[@jeffsmith3819]

I think that the "other" Steve might take issue now that you have more options for a "disappointment of the year" video.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

Gamers Unboxed Hardware Nexus

[@Steveindajeep]

Plus the making Asus angry part lol

[@abhinav28488]

the best thing is to remove the freakin bottom panel all together and keep the laptop on an ice pack or inside the fridge 🤣🤣🤣

[@bwillz2230]

More fun, check the heat that is forced onto the LCD panel from the M16(2022) version. They have the exhaust vents directly forcing hot exhaust onto the bottom of the LCD panel. Yes, it does substantially heat up the panel during gameplay.

[@UnityGuy]

That default ssd placement is just stupidity by these "professional" engineers.

[@Lewis360]

Just because they hold an engineering degree doesn't mean they are smart.

[@Batman-bh6vw]

@@Lewis360 What do you call engineers who graduated last in their class? Engineers.

[@gamingunboxed5130]

@@Lewis360 Tim has his Masters of engineering so I agree.

[@reikisano4542]

@@gamingunboxed5130 Oof, that burn.

[@antonywhatever572]

This is because the purpose of the right m2 slot is to butcher the battery capacity. You can't have battery life in the budget products. Also, cooling and display. There is ROG series for that.

[@FerdinandJosephFernandez]

Hardware Unboxed: "So why didn't you put heatsinks on the VRM?" Asus: *panics and quickly copy-pastes a paragraph from their marketing material*

[@Bandit5317]

It really is incredibly frustrating when they can't just be honest. Because it's cheaper, obviously.

[@johnjonjhonjonathanjohnson3559]

they are good at that its good propaganda

[@auachee]

What a great opportunity for me to place my b450m gaming mb here to pair with that oven

[@eth_saver]

This video is just beyond stupid. He didnt even think about that not everybody puts notebook just on flat table? If you put on uneven surface or in bed or on yourself its immediately choked. It just suck dust and garbage from whatever surface you put it on. Whoa! what an amazing idea! The grills as he cut it would most likely break as soon as someone grabbed the notebook and put finger over it. Not to mention that everybody likes to have fan blowing over them when they have laptop on lap. Or that everybody for sure likes to have glowing hot heatsinks in their lap for hours. I dont know if they ran out of content or what happened here really. The insulation on bottom is on most laptops for a reason and that is to dont burn you from direct contact with 100C chip/heatsink. I hope everybody likes to put hot heatsinks directly on them, just wtf sure there is no direct airfrow from bottom, if there was your leg your skin would be few mm from those heatsinks and you would get burned after few minutes. Good channel really but this was really low. Very similar to Gamers nexus case reviews that almost always end up with conclusion that best peformance is achieved when you remove all dust filters and drill holes to all panels. You just have to clean your pc from dust every week or do it like them, dump the case after few days of testing and never use it again.

[@PremVijayVelMani]

@@eth_saver Yeah

[@Wolfie6020]

Thanks for the thorough review. I am a loyal ASUS customer based on owning several of their laptops. The first was a G73 followed by a G74. I gave the G73 away but it is still going strong and running 24/7 in a monitoring role,. My G74 has been upgraded with an SSD and is a fabulous matching for my astronomy needs. Longevity is important to me and I have never need to push my systems to the limit. I am considering upgrading to one of the FX505 Tuf gaming laptops as a travelling astronomy machine. Again, I will probably never run games on it but just wanted the extra ruggedness for the travel. What ASUS claim makes sense to me and I can see your points also. For best performance the extra holes seem to help. For longevity, ASUS did what they believe was needed. For the price I think I will get this new machine anyway and thanks again for such a detailed and honest review,.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

My son has that computer FX505 with GTX1650 and Ryzen 5 3550H. He is very happy with and the performance of it seems about identical to my other son's Asus Strix Rog with about similar specs. Its a fine machine. I do not know how much of the ruggedness claim Asus makes with the TUF series is actually valid. These machines are no Panasonic Toughbooks. They seem to be built well, and the thicker plastic must protect them a bit, but they are such expensive machines anyhow that the YT reviewers will not subject them and their counterparts to "lets drop from 50 cm and again at 1m" abuse to see what the real differences are. And what are the real dangers anyhow, is it drops or is it water from condensation or rain or is it sand or dust. That changes from person to person, but I from what I see these machines really have no protection against the dangers beyond small bumps.

[@mrbrad4637]

I still have a G74Sx that is still running after 9 odd years.. But I was after an upgrade and so bought the ASUS TUF FX505DV the Ryzen 7 with the 2060 RTX and I'm very happy with it and its max temps in turbo mode stay around 82 degree and in silent mode around the low 40s which is acceptable to me.. I love it

[@mateuszpilski5524]

@@mrbrad4637 hey , what's it like when it comes to noise at these high temperatures of 80-90 ?

[@mrbrad4637]

@@mateuszpilski5524 It's pretty loud I'll admit that. Very loud even.. much louder than the G74SX, I usually have the game volume up high enough or headphones in so it doesn't bother me much, infact you get use to the noise and tune out from it - its only noisey when running a modern game, in Windows and office its dead silent with no fan spin at all.

[@mateuszpilski5524]

@@mrbrad4637 thanks for that info , i assumed that this was the case , I think for high performance modern gaming , you will just need a PC, at the end of the day low budget laptops are just laptops on steroids , and the high end are spaceships 🤣 l don't want to nudge you too much more , but do you use it for video and photo editing by any chance? If so , what's the noise like when using that kind of software...

[@Amd107]

Asus after getting frustrated: "bro just get a laptop cooling pad"

[@alexclarke6924]

Won't help it since the intake vents are so tiny 😂

[@drwijnstein]

by Asus

[@jonirojonironin5353]

@@drwijnstein ASUS TUF RTX 3080 is now the best at cooling. ASUS is capable if it were possible I'd say. Gaming laptops are all bad at cooling anyways.

[@Farhan-mn1fr]

@@jonirojonironin5353 not legion

[@jonirojonironin5353]

@@Farhan-mn1fr I meant it as a comparison to desktops. The cooling on gaming laptops is just so much inferior compared to desktops.

[@TeoTH80]

Alternate title: Delusional Asus representatives destroyed by facts and logics and Dremel tool

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

Thanks!

[@obsidiandestroyer7015]

ben shapiro reference

[@kyoudaiken]

We should use the Dremel tool directly on them...

[@bertjedekat]

Fact don't care about your feelings

[@WiiNV]

L😷L

[@kurt8327]

"we heard 4000 series ryzen CPUs are really power efficient. We won't even need vents!"

[@atnfn]

Yeah best to insulate the Ryzen 4000 CPUs from the rest of the PC to keep other components cool. Like spray insulating foam around the CPU.

[@egnerozo1160]

Kurt U series yes

[@jelledekort5786]

I use an Asus Zenbook Pro that doesn’t even have visible intake vents on underside. With a i7 7700HQ and a GTX 1050 it just takes time before it thermal throttles without using it...

[@theskywalker8416]

@@jelledekort5786 thats bad @@ mine Duo dont get throttled even after 6 hours using nonstop @@

[@CaveyMoth]

"We need to save power somehow. Oh, I know! Throttle the clocks down with overheating!"

[@rutwikpatil8491]

Cutting holes makes air flow directly into the fan instead of traversing throughout the whole of base. This increases temperature for other components located far behind. You cannot throttle other minor electronic components but can throttle CPU or GPU

[@miceonvenus647]

that's exactly what I was thinking

[@jt2aw15]

despite all the marketing they spouted at you, it speaks well of asus that they would even cooperate in this experiment really cool video

[@Duncan23]

TUF= Throttles Under Full load

[@connorsullivan5996]

Try again

[@StephenDeTomasi]

TUF = Throttles under Furmark

[@theskywalker8416]

@@StephenDeTomasi better

[@JoshuaG]

Throttles Under Fire ? :D heheheh

[@sayer187]

TUF = Truly Uniquely Fucked

[@poot111111]

Better R&D done by a reviewer who spent their own money, for shame ASUS.

[@imo098765]

ASUS made a balanced laptop, that does one thing, it makes the balance sheet better. They could've added cooling for the VRM's but that costs more money, they could've used a better screen but that costs money.

[@johnzach2057]

@@imo098765 Loosing sales because of poor reviews also costs money. Hopefully companies start to learn that good reviews from trusted reviewers matter a lot.

[@Shivartin]

@@imo098765 I would be willing to pay 100 $ more for better thermals... and copper is not that expansive. It is just a poor design. I wanted to buy A15, but I decided on another laptop. And I am definitely not the only one. The decided to cheapen out and are losing money because of it.

[@katech6020]

@@imo098765 it costs 5$-10$, just look at the price of CPU coolers, you can get a full tower cooler with a fan for 30$-40$

[@imo098765]

@@katech6020 per unit. It adds up more than a few sales lost. Otherwise they wouldnt make it this way

[@rafoo92]

Maybe you can check what happens after the whole honeycomb structure is cut out? And my friend reduced the temperature by raising the back of the laptop (he made a small stand on the back along the entire length).

[@tanzeemroks9344]

I cut two half pentagons on top of both my gpu and cpu fans. The increased airflow did lead to higher chassis temps on the front vent, however as it's a plastic case you won't feel anything unless you put your hand on the vent. My idling temps have decreased by 5-9 degrees.

[@symbianz1078]

Asus: This is best design!!! Harbour Unboxed: HOLD MY DREMEL TOOL!!!

[@MrHuggaga]

"Harbour unboxed", is that an insider?

[@reikisano4542]

@MzNToS Also Hammer on Box, Hard Wrong Box and the most recent one, Hard Brown-Box.

[@michaelbaldwin5953]

Harbour Unboxed: HOLD MY DREMEL TOOL!! ...oooo errrr Missus

[@Gokulbalram]

That Asus reply seems largely like PR nonsense which largely ends up being a non answer

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

I call those "excuses"!

[@theskywalker8416]

they just PR their product and dont want to answer. Those reply is nonsense

[@ayrtonarias6803]

What is PR

[@07_danishwistara29]

Ayrton Arias public relations I think, It’s to improve the reputation of a company to gain the trust of more consumers and in turn sell more products

[@WarpEnnn]

I think with modified base VRM temps where higher because CPU was running faster, not because you have altered the airflow over VRM

[@Boglim_Z]

It's pretty sad that Asus would try to argue their tiny air vents were somehow optimal.

[@AlluringPegasu13]

lol

[@Berkeli]

19ms response time, wtf were they thinking - my ping is less than that

[@SimonMedia666]

My OLED tv has such a response time....

[@pyro226]

My phone had that response time, if not worse :(

[@johnm91326]

If you think that's bad wait until you hear about the g14

[@Techvilla1745]

10ms less won't make you a better gamer

[@Crustee0]

Aman Goyal i bet you are one of the people who said 60hz and 144hz difference dont matter in gaming

[@smartroadbiker]

My take away from this. Asus where right, their design was helping to cool the other components. However this needed to be done because of the bad design of the overall cooling solution.

[@perdana5786]

That's absolutely right

[@katech6020]

they could spend 20$ and make a better cooling design, they are just cheaping out

[@irridiastarfire]

Ugh, this is what I tried to say in an overly verbose comment! Well said :)

[@dreamcat4]

Well its a bit more nuanced than that... they probably made any 'early on' decision to not bother with heatsink to include the cpu vrm. Due to it being for a lower tdp more effecient AMD 7nm cpu.... Then found out at a later time that it was inadequate. And could not change the heatsink assembly by that point because it was too late during mfr. At least not without raising the costs for the product. Which the product manager would have been under some pressure to keep costs under control. So then the PM turns to the engineers and says 'find some other way to solve this'. And it comes at the bigger picture cost 'not on the books', for damaging the company's reputation and image. So this whole thing is institutionalized into their product development and management / corporate culture. Just dont buy ASUS, they - should not be rewarded for this kinds of behaviour. Your hard earned money should go to other companies who give more honest responses. And not repeat canned responses going through the legal dept.

[@cristianconstantin6496]

they can install a passive heatsink on the VRM's for less than $1...

[@death8987]

Me smiling in the corner with a backup monitor.

[@hogey74]

I've been so pleased with you guys, GN etc recently. Being sensible and assertive about these issues. We already knew whose side you were on. This little saga is a reminder to me that things are a little heated all around the world at the moment. Your quiet and respectable attitude is greatly appreciated.

[@Sheevlord]

Who would win? A team of Asus engineers - or - A guy with a dremel?

[@nine5746]

tech jesus with a drill

[@mhamma6560]

Keep in mind this design is now 2 years old -- this is the FX505 series rebadged

[@victorarregnelle8976]

You would think a team of engineers lol but not the case. Or they really trying to make AMD look bad? Can see any other explanation.

[@theskywalker8416]

Asus engineers are very smart. They remove one exhaust hole, cut out heat pipes and place the vent away from the fan compare to last year and still thinking that they have "improved" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@groza8179]

@@mhamma6560 except, it's worse than FX505. My FX505D doesn't overheat, but it's loud, and i don't care, as long it's not overheating.

[@Steveindajeep]

Asus R&D: We tested this with games and it ran great! I don't know what Hard-Brown-box is talking about. Asus CEO: What games did you test? Asus R&D: Minesweeper and Solitaire Asus CEO: Awesome...Ship it

[@Lockstar64]

To be fair, maybe it was solitaire at 8k 144fps /s

[@sbstn110]

I guess you could cut the holes near the original holes and not directly over the fans, this way giving more breathing room to the fans and cooling the VRMs and SSD.

[@robertkubrick3738]

I think a heat sink bridging all the vrm would adequately address all of Asus concerns that weren't just vapors. I normally buy a lower tier processor just because I know the higher tier is going to throttle anyway.

[@operatora588]

Asus : Gets angry and says they're right. Hardware Unboxed : Makes another video and says they installed the ssd in the wrong place. 😂😂😂😂

[@brunoais]

More like: "Why is there a heatsink right next to the SSD and not used to cool down the ssd?"

[@EmoEmu]

"Engineered with certain things in mind." Someone told the engineers to make a laptop that didn't suck or blow and the engineer thought that meant zero cooling.

[@nabieladrian]

Have you ever heard Planned Obsolescence? Almost every product made with a mind that "this product shouldn't last too long, make it worse so they need to buy/repair faster".

[@johnocallaghan7830]

Great, thorough and evidence-based review. I can only imagine how long this has taken (I noticed your small "sigh" at the end lol). I'm an asus laptop owner (older model) and this brand is actually the first brand I have ever been content with and the first laptop I'm replacing because it's just too old (from 2014) and not because a critical component died. I agree with you that cpu and gpu cooling/efficiency should be prioritized. Especially in this category of laptop.

[@saikatsarkar858]

I'll share some findings which might sort of make sense why manufacturers tend to do what they do. I recently purchased a MSI GE 75 Raider(i7 9750H/RTX 2080 150W) The out of the box thermals weren't very impressive with the i7 constantly crossing 90C and the GPU hovering between 70-80C. So I undervolt the CPU, so there's an instant reduction in temps as expected. Now comes the interesting part, GPU sits between 60s-low 70s now since GPU & CPU shares the cooling solution & thus a reduction in CPU temps reflects along in the GPU as well. Now, I feel that this isn't enough & I decide to repaste the laptop(both CPU & GPU) with TG Kryonaut. Surprise surprise, load & idle CPU and GPU temps drop down considerably, (by ~ 10C). However I notice a slight increase in load GPU temps(~ 2-5C) & a noticeable increase in surface temps(WASD now starts feeling hot to touch), this is somewhat mitigated by manually putting the fan speed to max, but the surface is still warmer than before. This leads me to believe that the better paste resulted in better dissipation & thus consequently the surface temps rise more due to the temperature gradient. This was further validated when I found in a thread on a MSI forum that a guy who claimed to be a MSI technician said that the factory paste that they apply is different for the CPU, GPU & VRM. The GPU paste they use has a supposedly higher conductivity than the CPU one, The improvement I got in temps are in line with this theory, there was a very noticeable improvement in CPU temperatures while a slight increase in GPU temps. While the slight increase in GPU temps can't be attributed to a poorer paste since I used TG Kryonaut which is sort of the category leader in TIMs, I can assume it is because the CPU now dumps more heat & faster onto the cooling solution thus resulting in a higher than before GPU temp, although small. The same reason is why the surface temps now rise. This doesn't affect me since I use an external keyboard, but I suppose MSI was deliberate about their choice of TIM to ensure overall temp stability and this was done(rather counterintuitively so) by using a inferior TIM on the CPU. So I suppose, these manufacturers are well aware of the tradeoffs they make in the final production grade design. Having said that, I agree with you that this is a cheap solution to maintain thermals & that we deserve better, more all round cooling solutions.

[@saikatsarkar858]

@Ben T. I gained thermal headroom so the sustainable boost clock ceilings rose to 3.5Ghz+ at the cost of temps crossing 80C+ , however I am paranoid about temps crossing 70(haha lol Ik I can go more but I prefer not to) so my main intention was not sustaining higher turbos but rather lower load temps. I have all the 6 cores capped at 3.0Ghz, speedshift epp at 128, and PL1 & PL2 both capped at 45W, along with -250mV on core, -125mV on cache and -75mV on IGP. GPU capped at 775mV/1700MHz Combined Load temps on both CPU and GPU stay within 70 for the most part.

[@renmaru4485]

@@saikatsarkar858 wow -250mv on core it must be a good silicon or msi is overvolting that cpu

[@usuallyclueless4477]

@@renmaru4485 nah the 8th and 9th gen Intel CPUs can handle undervolt in a 2:1 ratio. The core voltage offset can go about twice as low as the cache. My 9300h is on -250mV core and -130 cache at 4.1 GHz.

[@oa2162]

@Ben T. I had a HP and I know what you mean. The laptop was well built but had some issues like the overheating.. HP laptops are known to be a good heat source in winter :D In the other hands I remember friends with more expensive laptops experiencing shut downs during game while my throttling loud HP still working. The next one was an Asus in 2015, with poor cooling and annoying always stressed fan. I ordered an XMG 17/Eulktronics 17 and I think these laptops are the solution for people wanting reliable machines with good AMD CPUs

[@syzerix3157]

Did you try undervolting the GPU as well? Cause pretty sure the 1660ti could easily hit close to 2ghz and do so at a lower voltage than stock.

[@Radhaugo108]

Let's make this into a series. Let's cut fan vents into a MacBook Pro.

[@RaXXha]

The MacBook Pro already has fan vents on the side and there are channels to guide the air from there to the fan. The Macbook AIR on the other hand, that's a different story…

[@Radhaugo108]

@@RaXXha I own a MBP 16". It get mad hot beneath and it could use more cooling.

[@houghwhite411]

@@RaXXha Wireless CPU cooling is always good

[@kvm.]

For macbook pro you need cooling dongle

[@nateg452]

@@RaXXha it doesn't even have a fan on its CPU no heat piping either. The fan is on the other side of the laptop for emotional support.

[@lenniegodber7805]

That cool looking crane in the background holding a CPU box though

[@kamata93]

Lennie Godber Its awesome! Loved those kind of toys as a kid. Some of them can lift a few kilos, which is not bad actually considering.

[@conza1989]

Beat me to it, very nice

[@gaurd3]

I see junk and clutter

[@thecoolerplayer6813]

@@gaurd3 found the Asus rep

[@WirrWicht]

It's the LEGO 42082

[@govindgopal6215]

That's definitely the last asus laptop you're getting for testing hehe.

[@LEEKING2005]

A bigger hole isn't always better than a smaller holes. You couldn't be more wrong to think that having bigger hole equals to more airflow in volume, it depends on the fan size. A bigger hole equals to larger air volume intake at 1 time (but also spread wider area and lower circulation speed due to less pressure) and smaller hole equals to faster circulation speed ( but spread narrower and higher internal pressure), given the fans' power and size are constant value and also the hole size isn't extremely unreasonable. That being said it doesn't take a Sherlock to guess that they intentionally covering those hole because they probably design the casing for multiple fan sizes and heat sink arrangement for different GPU (with common knowledge that gtx is power efficiency core and rtx isn't) Another mistake is you thought higher end laptop models would generate more profits than lower end laptop models, thus motivate they doing this to sell higher end unit. That couldn't be more wrong cause the profit actually based on the price they set and the actual hardware and design cost, not to mention lower end/budget end models usually sell more units than higher end models. Also i believe they create the hole not directly below the fan is to create a more accesible (not heated) keyboard to enhancing gaming experiences of long hours gaming and also to protect components. Rog gaming laptop is in minority (compared to Lenovo and MSI) which can still run flawlessly while being as powerful after 6 years of usage and that's show the quality of design they had. All in all I think you're not an engineer cause you didn't understand everything had trade off (and obviously you didn't think that through before you made reckless groundless assumption), like adding heat sink and plastic thickness would make the laptop more chunky, heavier, higher price and possible blocking/ bottleneck the air ventilation space inside the casing. As Sherlock Holmes quote, "The distinction is clear. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of twisting theories to suit facts."

[@kevincaballero9457]

Very well said. This is true.

[@Laze18]

In 2010 me and a friend of mine bought Asus Rog g51v's they had the same shitty design for the air flow. I decided to cut a hole on the bottom and my friend decided to keep it stock. His laptop died 3 years before mine. So you are saying...?

[@marcosbatista1029]

I'm engineer and what you just said no make sense at all , lower temps = longevity it's so easy to grasp.

[@DrearierSpider1]

Man, it's been tuf for ASUS' TUF GAMING brand. They did a great job with their X570 MOBOs, but between these A15 laptops and the RX 5700 (XT) issues, they really need to get their act together.

[@kommandokodiak6025]

their entire z390 line was trash with low vrm phases and they claimed they were fine and purposefully engineered with 8 phases compared to competing brands 12-16 phases for equivalent line boards while asus' boards were priced 25-100 bux more for equivalents

[@joeyvdm1]

I feel the exact same way, ASUS product stack is very inconsistent with thermal performance. I own an ASUS X570-F Gaming and it is excellent, but I would never have purchased their older Ryzen MBs with the reported terrible VRM performance (such as their B450 MBs). Their x5700 Tuff GPU was also a train wreck. ASUS really needs to take Tim's conclusions and his advice seriously in my opinion, I am highly disappointed with their reply to him.

[@cj09beira]

tuf used to be rog level quality without the flashiness and more focus on cooling and longevity, they were cool products, now its another low end pece of shit

[@NeXMaX]

Remember the old TUF Sabertooth? That was a legitimately good product... Welcome to butchering a once good brand for the sake of market segmentation

[@fredsas12]

Once upon a time Asus TUF used to be pretty much the same as ROG without all the 14 year old "look at me" RGB like nonsense. Asus has pretty much downgraded their TUF branding to cheapo "value" brand. Itseems however they forgot to downgrade the price as well..

[@siclucealucks]

intel: cripple amd laptops - here is money asus: ok ... intel: give our bribe back - it shouln'd be done so obvious

[@adodoes8770]

Shouldn'd

[@siZeDcuBe]

This laptop can be configured with an intel processor so no.

[@mihaicraciun8678]

@@siZeDcuBe so what, people are too ignorant to buy amd, they think it still sucks

[@holski77]

the 4800h is this laptop can beat the 4900hs in the g14 what are you talking about?

[@callofdutymobile.7037]

😂😂😂😂💯

[@beep_boop_beep]

Here's an idea for manufacturers to avoid embarrassment, bad sale volume, high returns, class action lawsuits, damage to reputation - why not just send prototypes out to experienced reviewers to get feedback before manufacturing and then things like this can be avoided in future. Just a thought.

[@movax20h]

The could have made VRM run cooler if they located it better, or put a small heat spreader with some fins on a heat sink. It doesn't need to be big or tall. But I am sure the issue showed up pretty late in the design, where they already designed the main board (possibly glueing it would not be enough, and would require mounting holes, which motherboard lacks), and only were tweaking the case. Also cost reasons. The heatsink would probably need to be custom designed, and machined, then anodized, which is time consuming and costly process.

[@martininakilazatin7390]

Investigation part 2: put a heat sink on the vrm

[@hafidbagaskara8109]

This comment need more thumps up

[@swampybutt6289]

Pfft ASUS are delusional more times than they are right.

[@Traumglanz]

They are not delusional, they are just fucking liars. Everytime they screw something up it is someone's else's fault and usually those problems are intentional to make the product obsolete faster.

[@sharkas9965]

Honestly if they were just honest in this case i would have more respect for them

[@onlycorner5565]

dont know if an shitty engendering team would talk to an youtuber to mangle about design sure if the vrm was covered it would seem to have an advantage did you ask yourself what parts are produce at what number , if they have 6000 copper pipe in stock they wont modify an tiny bit to produce 10000 parts with new specs and throw away those 6000 usable parts i dont stand by the opinion that its an bad buy , i use it 13 hours a day and temps are 45 in the morning and when i work its max 74C 90 % of the time and only for demanding gpu work it jumps in the mid 90s if i could make the gpu so it uses max 70 W it would be an perfect work machine for my usecase

[@nagulansubramaniam1709]

I think they should improve their display which has the low ntsc and srgb. For normal users it wont be a problem but if it comes to content creators it will put an impact on it

[@nicholasbergesen7934]

They had their top interns working on the laptop design.

[@anirbangupta510]

Interns after attending online classes

[@PookaBot]

"911? I've just witnessed a murder."

[@Zibouloubloub]

Asus replies to his questions are like indiegogo scam Q&A's.

[@yuan.pingchen3056]

any response to a popular youtuber must extreme carefully, because they already hijacked a large amount of audience.

[@paulkoigi7566]

Thank you for the honest review. It's impressive that you were willing to sacrifice such an expensive machine to prove this important point. Overall, I opine that this was a poorly done unit, and with the numbers its running, it's frankly not worth the cost. There are cheaper laptops with better displays that offer comparable performance. Keep up the awesome work 🤛🏾

[@dernayro]

well maybe, just maybe ASUS engineers thought about cooling all components for longer life span, rather than cool the cpu and f. up the rest!

[@miceonvenus647]

exactly

[@Arek_R.]

Might be they paid for those toughness approvals, failed them as those vents break easily and damage the fan which is a critical failure, so to fix it with minimal effort they just removed those cutouts. Another possibility they have some component(s) that overheat too much and fail completly. Anyways it's quite clear to me that whatever the reason is they don't want to share it.

[@karthickshankar1527]

Big Brain time

[@patrickegan8866]

They probably weren't counting on Tim going at it with a cutting tool when their PR person word-smithed the response lol

[@Eliteshade]

Last years TUF series had 2 grills near their both fans and one large in the middle...you could practically see the ram from the outside...that intake configuration was so good! They ruined it with this new version.

[@adodoes8770]

Choking the new 4000 series amd laptops. The 4800H with moderate cooling puts the best from intel (found in +2000$ laptops) to shame. It would be a direct attack to their higher line-up. This laptop with a better cooling solution (vrm heatsink, better underside...) And a better screen would probably only increase the price by 100$ at most, making it still a lot cheaper than their high-end laptops. It would be a no brainer to buy since the rest of laptop is pretty good, unless you're seeking a very slim and light design (which would perform worse thermal vise).

[@StefanHolmes]

“We can’t keep the VRM, SSD, CPU and GPU cool all at the same time” = We didn’t design this at all competently.

[@CaveyMoth]

If only ASUS hired a dude in his garage with a dremel.

[@calvingea7180]

Well when u make product. U not just put all in the spec performance. Literally if asus deed make it far better. I think the cost will also increase. What i see from this series is they sacrifice something to target certain price customer and also widen the customer profit from it. For us geek it is not optimal. But for most population which is only normal people, they don't care about it it just the same thing. It work and it do it work well thats all most common people care.

[@Aka.Aka.]

@@calvingea7180 Bro , there's the Acer Nitro 5 tho...

[@calvingea7180]

@@Aka.Aka. but acer nitro 5 not giving u rtx2060 except if u buy around the $1500 price one. Remember in tuf u get rtx2060

[@calvingea7180]

@@Aka.Aka. if u buy the gtx version nitro 5 is better choice

[@jossshhhy]

hello idk if anyone is still interested in this but i would like to give my experience with this laptop, i picked up the Ryzen 5 4600H, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660Ti 500gb version o this laptop for £880 at the start of summer 2020. I mainly play rainbow six and i got this to use as a study laptop when i go to school, my main pc started having insane issues and i made this the daily device i already had a gaming monitor that is 144hz and has great colours etc so i used that as my main monitor and the laptop as a secondary screen. i also picked up a usb c splitter and got another 5 ports so i hooked everything up and played my games with no problem for a couple of months. in my experience i didnt have issues with heat as it was on a laptop stand that has fans and my frames were always 144+ on medium/low settings on rainbow (some settings are at high for visual and some low for competitive reasons) i love this laptop its not heavy its tough enough to stay alive in my backpack and it has really good battery and i mean that ive never had to plug it in while i was using this outside but when im home the power is always plugged in xD anyways if anyone can find this at a similar price i would strongly recommend i used student discount to get it down a bit but that was the original price and i got a great deal :D

[@bhaviksharma7626]

How did you get students discount?

[@emiliolopez4937]

I got this laptop on amazon for $699.99 as it has a discount and it was new it is ryzen 5 4600h, GeForce GTX 1650, 8GB DDR4, 512 SSD and I was doubting to cancel it as I was looking for info and saw some bad reviews but I think I’ll keep it and see how it works

[@qpkwsxcb8277]

@@emiliolopez4937 Has it arrived. How is it doing? I had cancelled mine, but still wanting it.

[@emiliolopez4937]

@Fredo Baggins nope it was specter to be arriving on September 27th but amazon was not able to verify my card information for some reason and I’ve been struggling to have my account unlocked for the past three days so I think I’ll cancel it and build a pc myself

[@qpkwsxcb8277]

@@emiliolopez4937 Okay, then. Good luck with ur build.

[@madfrosty5228]

Imo Asus is telling the truth the design was optimized to have balanced thermal performance for the entire system , surely there is room for improovements as little bit of fine tuning would improve things very slightly but not by much . I understand cost savings to maximize profits , but I am certain that adding the VRM cooling solution would be worth the extra cost . Placing the ssd next to a heatpipe .... bad idea . Now for the most important part that was almost avoided in this video , the display quality , the display is absolute joke , cheap and nasty , totally unacceptable in this day and age , Asus have made a big mistake here, at this price range this is unacceptable . I would not buy this product and I would not recommend it to no one , so thank you Hardware unboxed for your review , you have done what is expected from you , Asus needs to fix this , let's hope they will learn from this .

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

When the best tool for improving performance by an end-user is a dremel tool, the engineers who designed the product have failed. To deny this failure and also deny the results from testing by said end-user baselessly, is to be blatantly lying to save face.

[@howardlam6181]

They successfully handicapped a cheaper product to make their top tier products looked better to uninformed customers.

[@user-rm4sy7nl3k]

Or a youtuber trying to make content

[@themasterofdisaster1]

I doubt that the engineers would have made it that way. As a software engineer I love good solution but I'm often held back by time and business constraints. I believe the engineers aren't happy either with the design.

[@kevlarandchrome]

@@themasterofdisaster1 Could be, but there's also plenty of shit engineers who are still employed worldwide.

[@mduckernz]

@@user-rm4sy7nl3k Your contention is that ASUS makes shit laptops so that... KZbinrs can make content? Or that ASUS can make content? Or? Your comment makes no sense lol

[@biobreaker5009]

"we focus on real world scenarios" reminds me of intel's "not everything is benchmarks"

[@commondary9953]

Well isn't that a perfectly reasonable thing to say? The TUF brand is supposed to give you value for your dollar. If that means tweaking the design to perform to spec under normal load conditions such as games or video rendering, that should be enough. If making the system perform better for benchmarks would mean a $10 higher BOM then the purpose of the brand is lost. ASUS aren't dumb and know that most customers want a product that just works while they do normal use-case things, at a good price. My reasoning of course being that benchmarks generally load the system more than any normal use would do.

[@rihasanatrofolo2472]

I remember when intel was all about the "benchmarks", back when they used to pay off the most popular benchmarking software to perform worse with AMD.

[@TheGiuse45]

@@rihasanatrofolo2472 good old cinebench

[@lokeshchandak3660]

@@crazytech5755 with Open CL having not being updated since 2012, it's really obvious why and cards take such a hit

[@vishwaschaudhary9833]

History repeats itself

[@gaul849]

Less dust can get in still you make some good points. I brought this laptop on sale. There is an issue I found with free sync with the monitor i believe that what's causing the response time issue with the laptops monitor. I turned it off and it's the most responsive monitor I have used playing pinball I can tell more easily too. Maybe it's because of the amd and nivida integration I guess it could be. You can still use v sync instead if you like but I turned that off too usually.

[@cring0101]

Very disappointed to the manufacturer respond if it is true !!! Real scientific figures won't lie. It seems an honest and objective review telling the fact. People telling the truth is always appreciated and respected. I see this is a review with a ton of effort and really time-consuming. Thx !!! Channel Subscribed immediately.

[@KevinWilliams19723]

it seems like any product with the TUF branding is shoddy.

[@NeXMaX]

Only a few are actually decent to good, like the X570 Plus. Other than the old Sabertooth, many of them are just low-tier poop

[@mavve8521]

exactly what i was thinking!

[@mobischuu]

asus pc parts are way better than their laptop counterparts, either its TUF or ROG, most of them do have a good quality meanwhile their laptops especially their low ends are total disaster

[@christopherwood2290]

@@NeXMaX Yeah, my old Sabertooth 990FX boards which I had several were top notch. TUF branding is DOA today.

[@TheJoshScape]

These days my z97 sabertooth tuf edition was pretty solid

[@lucal7756]

Nothing is destroyed anyway: you can buy for 40$ ASUS original bottom replacement from spare parts resellers. Great video on a very interesting topic!

[@owenporter1472]

My thoughts exactly.

[@theskywalker8416]

but you dont have the warranty pad for it @@

[@runechristiansen2431]

Or buy a replacement part to do the alterations, and keep the original as backup? So your warranty will not be void.

[@MatteusClement]

I couldn't find one. ANy names where I can find one?

[@anupamdey4893]

To those who have bought this laptop, my suggestion would be to add heatsinks over the vrms, heatpipes and use the laptop normally. Connect the above heatsinks to the back panel and cover the top part of the back panel (above the fans) with copper tape. There is no need to drill holes into the back panel.

[@johnnyhshify]

Using it normally means significantly underutilizing the CPU and GPU. What heatsinks and additional piped do you recommend and is there even space.

[@anupamdey4893]

@@johnnyhshify by normally I meant no need of extra optimization etc etc... If u still insist.. U can limit cpu temperature to 85 or tdp to 30 watts For heatsinks, Checkout the amd reddit thread : "tuf a15 after properly fixing thermal issues". Basically what they do is use heatsinks to connect the heatpipes and vrms to the back panel. This will make ur back panel hotter but who cares, it wil increase ur laptop internals lifespan Last suggestion is using optimized settings for games, lock single player games to 30 or 60 fps For cpu only workloads, not stress tests... The laptop can sustain max speed. I have the R9 variant and it sustained 4.4 ghz during game installs

[@iffy_too6465]

I bought one after watching these reviews. I've never seen CPU temps over 93c, mostly sits at 89 to 91 while gaming. GPU sits at 71 to 73C while gaming. My first brand new ASUS, I'm happy enough with it.

[@tomstech4390]

I remember when the asus 5700xt had the "best overall thermal performance" too. I have always uses msi/giga/asus and liked all of them (they've all had thier faults too) but right now its like asus are trying to fuck up as much as asrock and they're trying really hard.

[@gsharro]

The tuf series for me has gather enough bad reputation for me to keep away. Thanks for the great video!

[@Dominus_Potatus]

ikr... the premise of TUF brand is a tough products that can last longer than regular ASUS brand. Now, this brand is basicly a cheaper products with worse components than ROG. And the regular ASUS brand is basicly a laptop with good design. Let me make it clear, the looking is good, but the touch feeling is bad

[@robertt9342]

The ASUS brand is gathering a bad reputation on its own because of issues like this and how they handle the criticism.

[@ambiguous8661]

1:57 Engineered with certain things in mind...... That thing in mind being that the pricier laptops are the ones that get actually good cooling

[@ZiggyMercury]

I like it how they didn't even try to argue with the assertion that this laptop's screen is garbage... Also, in terms of the temperature - it really doesn't matter why they chose the design and solutions they chose. What matters is that the laptop runs hot.

[@xomegaxz5799]

Bro if i use this laptop in Malaysia with ambient of 34C average, i can boil some water

[@abdfiqhi]

Here in your neighborhood, Indonesia with same temp, and currently using FX laptop, I can relate

[@shunpeng3609]

Wait for g14 man, launches next monday

[@iADActive]

if that's the case in my city we have an average temp of 44C i can use it as a barbecue!

[@vertwheeler6698]

go for nitro 5/dell G5

[@abdfiqhi]

@@iADActive yo dude wtf. That's scary. Where do you live?

[@RohanKumar-yj7sz]

When you can't make good high end laptops, sabotage the budget offerings.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

The ROG Zephyrus G14 is very well reviewed.That makes this stupid failure even more baffling.

[@soroneir1260]

I'd love to see you try adding a heatsink over the VRMs.

[@haryadiwijaya3304]

Done that myself, adding alum heatsinks... i don't know but my CPU can run 4.2 GHz and temp is still 45 on idle.. under full load only 75..sometimes 80..

[@soroneir1260]

@@haryadiwijaya3304 Can you elaborate on how you did that? Btw, posting this from my new A15. :]

[@haryadiwijaya3304]

@@soroneir1260 i bought aftermarket heat sinks (not copper).. put those over those VRM chips.. although i do admit the fan is noisy

[@TocyBlox]

@@haryadiwijaya3304 is copper better?

[@punman5392]

Honestly the best solution here is to mount this thing in a sort of stand with the bottom cover off and a fan blowing onto the motherboard. That way you get the colors of an external monitor and the thermals of a fan blowing on the motherboard

[@HeavenGraffitti]

checkmate Asus, get your ASUS together

[@Megamen8x]

1:53 "Had the best overall performance and the design specifically Engineered with *Certain THING in mind* " p. s. : Certain THING " *cough* " *INTEL MONEY* " *cough* "

[@rubaiyatmehedi9337]

Glad someone brought it up

[@Oneath]

Exactly my thoughts, all those companies do this intentionally in order to help Intel

[@rubaiyatmehedi9337]

@@Oneath why doesn't Lisa sue Intel Again?

[@Oneath]

@@rubaiyatmehedi9337 Good word joke, I guess she is too shy :P

[@lucasvaughn629]

He literally said this design is used in intel laptops

[@chuck...]

Asus forgot to tell you they tested the cooling in Antarctica probably why they got amazing results.

[@eric678]

Seems like Intel hasn't learned from the 2005 lawsuit. AMD needs to file another suit.

[@mridho4070]

Hardware Unboxed vs Asus second season

[@8bitbunny_VR]

"welcome back to hard brown box.." that is a interesting one auto generated by youtube XD

[@georgemorley1029]

Definitely the wrong website

[@EEF2077]

Dude I can't unhear it now

[@nitinsinghbrijwal3183]

@@EEF2077 maybe you are machine too now

[@abhinavray8475]

New merch incoming

[@garyanderson6192]

I had been considering this laptop for astronomy photo editing but the poor display has put me off....

[@bradbeyers9028]

I won't need to buy a new gaming labtop for years but when I do I am only gonna consider the wide open vents like the new OMEN has.