"RDNA 4 Performance Leaks Are Wrong" - Asking AMD Questions at CES

[@Hardwareunboxed]

All the news from AMD's CES event here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fISaoKWvpKqpjdE

[@adi6293]

Tim , when you speak to AMD again can you please ask them why for the love of God they didn't change the name to RX 1070XT ? That way they could keep it going for the next 10 years

[@mohdk2299]

​@@adi6293maybe for next gen when they launch UDNA

[@ssaini5028]

@@adi6293 Nobody cares about Naming, we want price/performance

[@ssaini5028]

AMD waiting for Nvidia to play their RTX 5000 hand before annoucing pricing

[@adi6293]

@@ssaini5028 Actually we do , and so should AMD because changing it every 2 minutes isn't good for them either , do you think they going to keep it for next gen and call them 10070? Because that would be ridicules , no they will change it again and the average guy just gets confused , love or hate nvidia but they don't miss things around that much

[@GFClocked]

Amds 5D plan is to get into such low market share that Nvidia is declared as a monopoly officially by the government.

[@anodyneliniment2326]

Lmfaoo

[@TheDarksideFNothing]

Lol right That's not how that works, though, just FYI There has to be anti-competitive behavior, not just a legitimately created monopoly because your opponent is fumbling.

[@twanduvigneau5809]

@@GFClocked hHaha maybe the 5d plan is to generate more media coverage out of this weird skipping of the launch just to announce the actual launch in a day or two to overshadow the Nvidia launch

[@JCDentonCZ]

With there being so many cases of near-monopolies and duopolies one might wonder if these were monopolies to begin with, or at least turned into.

[@twanduvigneau5809]

@@GFClocked wouldn't the same logic make AMD a monopoly player in the console market?

[@Whatdoievenwriteherebruh]

If they had cut the amount of times they said "AI" they would've had 40 min for RDNA 4

[@AlyxSharkBite-2000]

If they had just not said AI every 2 seconds they could have fitted it in

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Real

[@geiers6013]

You people don't use AI? AI AI AI!!!

[@Valk-Kilmer]

I don't get it. They mentioned AI so much but the majority of AI apps don't support AMD or rely on DirectML which is very slow. Just sold my 7700XT and it was useless in the majority of apps.

[@geiers6013]

@@Valk-Kilmer To be fair RDNA 4 really will bring at least some new form of dedicated AI hardware and software. The usefulness will be seen only after release. But obviously for any serious AI work you need Nvidia or Cuda anyways.

[@Valk-Kilmer]

@@geiers6013 Yes, you need CUDA. Every AI app I opened to try required CUDA or ran on my CPU so my GPU was functionally useless for it. ComfyUI, Pinokio etc

[@p00ner]

I cant tell if Tim is sitting or standing so i dont know what to think of this video

[@joeykeilholz925]

He's sitting standly

[@adammilner9623]

100% he’s sitting

[@FilthEffect]

He's actually levitating

[@ATestamentToTech]

Is this a quip? He is sitting

[@sparehead1]

The real question is what kind of pants is he wearing? How are we supposed to concentrate on any of this while this important information is being hidden from us? And why is it being hidden from us? I can only assume they will have a dedicated video to reveal hardware unboxed track suit pants.

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

Tim doing a better job at telling us about Radeon products than AMD themselves 😂 Thank you!

[@Fantomas24ARM]

AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[@andersjjensen]

The 5800X3D, 7800X3D and 9800X3D would like to talk with you in private... If you'll be so kind and follow them into this ally, please.

[@-Ice_Cold-]

Пипл всё равно буду покупать зелень

[@zodwraith5745]

And they never disappoint to disappoint.

[@ssaini5028]

@@andersjjensen Nah 7800, 7900GRE and 7900XTX are amazing. AMD waiting for Nvidias hand right now

[@andersjjensen]

@@ssaini5028 My 486DX2 100MHz, K6-3, Athlon Thunderbird, Athlon 64X2, Phenom X6 1100T BE, Ryzen 2700X and 5950X were wonderful. My 7950X3D currently is. My HD 6790, RX580 and 6700XT were as well. And so is my XTX currently.

[@pashul1n]

They are just waiting for RTX5000 pricing... it may seem calculated but its rather fearful behaviour, very unfortunate for us consumers...

[@MasterJangleLeg]

Why are they waiting? They aren't competing at the High end.

[@TheWancer]

@@MasterJangleLeg based on core count and the new GPU only being 1nn smaller seems like not a huge performance gain

[@mcharblebarf4964]

Wish AMD could be the one with the big stick. Come out with prices so good they force Nvidia to make a move rather than waiting to see if Nvidia forces them.

[@TopShot501st]

Nvidia is clearly running the show and AMD is merely trying to undercut Nvidia on price. No new features just slight mid range value.

[@TopShot501st]

​@@MasterJangleLegno they are not. Competing with 5070/60 is not the High end.

[@devindykstra]

ALL of the leaks are wrong? Boy im not sure how that's possible. Cause ive seen leaks for everything from barely ahead of the 7800 xt to trading blows with the 7900 xtx.

[@Mr.Dodo-]

Maybe it's better than even the 5090? Lol

[@Bladings]

That's likely a lie though, I mean the name got leaked about a month ago now. There's no way ALL leaks are wrong.

[@SiiimpX]

Pipe down ​@@Mr.Dodo-, we're talking about AMD here

[@Hzuuuu]

Maybe it's wrong because we thought it was referring to the performance, instead it was referring to the price points like Tim said in the video. 😅

[@Flyon86]

If it's a rx 7800xt in raster with 4070 RT performance for $500 with 16gb vram that's all I want really

[@Dia1Up]

Ok, AMD is saying CES doesn't allow presentations longer than 45 minutes...... But did we all see Nvidia's like 2 hour presentation?

[@Flyon86]

They got wind of the 5070 being priced at $550 and probably have to take stock and see if they can release the 9070xt at $450 now.

[@jk47hk]

​@@Flyon86And the claim that it has "4090 performance". That kills their 9070 dead in the water if it only goes up to 7900XT levels

[@mattblyther5426]

@@jk47hk considering their 4070 was getting beat by their last gen 3080 as well as the 6800xt "in raster performance anyway" i highly doubt the 5070 will be any near 4090 performance unless its with dlss performance and frame gen on while the 4090 is running stock native lol.

[@artturijokelainen9147]

​@@jk47hk 5070 having better perf than 4090 is based on 5070 running 4x framegen and 4090 running 2x framegen.

[@link99912]

@@jk47hk By "4090 performance" Nvidia means with MFG on lol. On average it's definitely going to be a lot slower.

[@OuijTube]

If AMD had just said that RDNA 4 was just not ready, that would have made more sense.

[@twanduvigneau5809]

How can the performance rumors be wrong when their slide literally puts the RX 9070 XT against the RX 7900 XT? Thats dead on with the rumors. The Nvidia side seems to line up

[@MrKarco]

Majority of the early rumours (past 2-4 weeks) were saying 7800XT performance, so I'd assume that's what they were referring to as inaccurate (I hope, anyway)

[@vaudou_]

The slide seems to suggest that's where the naming scheme matches up but it doesn't mean the performance is the same.

[@CO8848_2]

It’s 7900xt, plus 3 more frames!

[@TheQxY]

Some early leaks were saying 4080 S performance, and recent leaks 7900 GRE performance. I think both of these are false, and we'll het 7900 XT performance.

[@noperoni08]

​@@vaudou_No. They clearly said that the chart is set up the way it is because of the performance.

[@notmatt5864]

The onlt thing that stood out from the amd presentation was the over use of "AI" in every slide

[@e2rqey]

unfortunately that's become the norm for quite a while now. It's absolutely ridiculous. The youtube channel TechTechpotato used to make compilations of just the times different tech CEOs said "AI" during these types of keynote. Like one for each CEO, and all of them would be from a single presentation. I guess nobody wants to be the guy that doesn't say AI and the shares of their company tank lol.

[@SA-po2gy]

Everyone was there for RDNA4...

[@titan_fx]

@@SA-po2gy yeah, because GPU market have become staler and staler every year whereas cpu battle still exists (well, at least till 13/14th gen debacle).

[@Heroedon]

Mostly for the wrong reasons though, to know if NV would have to compete on pricing, not because of excitement and intent to buy. That's why CPU announcements got the spotlight, they are established/ acknowledged and bring in actual money.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

I was waiting for those 395

[@SA-po2gy]

@@Heroedon i was really waiting on the release of RDNA4 because I just finished building my new AM5 PC last week but it's still sporting my old GTX 1080 and I already set aside the budget for the 9070 XT. I know nvidia will be expensive and so I was really only considering AMD. Didn't care about the 5000 series release.

[@jwest88]

@@SA-po2gy I have a 7700x build with a gtx 1080; upgraded my monitor to a 4K 48" OLED TV; really was/kind of still hoping for good news on RDNA4. Really hope they don't do the same crap they did last gen and only slightly undercut Nvidia's pricing, that clearly did not work for them as a strategy last gen.

[@jcultist4715]

Translation: They are an AI company now.

[@stevet1799]

I mean, they did just lay off 1000 people from the gaming segment to prove they are an AI company.

[@MaddJakd]

@jcultist4715 that writing was on the wall when the RX7900XTX was getting ROCm support JUST FOR THAT. Some of yall acting like this is new. Everyones in on AI now

[@marcel-q1m]

Everyone is nowadays lol

[@PREDATEURLT]

It the last trend, if you want to make money for a while everything you do has to have words AI in it, we already had "smart" technologies.

[@shaboogen]

That RDNA4 answer sounds like BS. Given how boring the presentation was and how terribly it was received, there were things that could easily have been cut. Maybe the time that Dell rando got on stage and talked about AI on laptops perhaps?

[@Stirlingsays]

Sounded like they gave him warm words and he went away quite happy.

[@MaddJakd]

This is narrow minded af. These companies are about way more than just a buch of entitled gamers and hobby folk. Always have been. And CES has quite outwardly been skewing more towards showing potential board partners whats up as opposed what the "surface naming" suggests. Especially for AMD, Intel and Nvidia.

[@kevinj24535]

Discrete desktop graphics cards for gaming are a tiny market and shrinking. All other things are much more valuable to companies.

[@Jtq-y4n]

@@kevinj24535 For radeon, not for Nvidia LOL. 4000 series got reamed in reviews outside of 4090 and still sold basically all stock outside of 4060 ti. 4090 likely sold multiple millions of units at 1600-2000+ USD.

[@Stirlingsays]

@@MaddJakd Well sir, if capitalism was working properly this situation wouldn't be the case. Gamers, I believe account for 1/3 of the market, Mr 'narrow minded af'. With people like yourself that market will reduce because of customers turning away from PC and they can point at comments like yours.

[@necrotic256]

Answer about FSR4 is complete copout. RDNA3 was promoted with AI hardware built in, crickets since

[@sasquatchcrew]

bro im angry if they dont get ml fsr4 for 7000 series

[@titan_fx]

F us who bought 7000 series card I suppose 😂

[@respectmathias]

F for us who bought the Ryzen AI rdna 3.5 laptops, AI my ass.

[@legendp2011]

I would say AMD making fsr3 available for all speaks to there track record......they wouldn't make this exclusive if it could run on there older cards

[@titan_fx]

@@legendp2011 let's just see. I mean AMD did want to cut support for Zen 3 to 300/400 series board owners only to step back when people really really mad at them. Let's hope they won't disappoint us again.

[@VelcroSnake93]

2:20 - Well thank goodness they had enough time to talk about AI... :/

[@ronstewtsaw]

Twelve Sapphire 7800 XT cards showed up on the Canada Computers site last night. This morning, three had sold. Once it became clear that AMD didn't have a new GPU ready for release, the remaining nine cards disappeared very quickly.

[@Jtq-y4n]

Oof i would have waited, seems like FSR4 isn't built for 7000 series. 9070xt will probably be priced around 7800xt with 7900xt performance + 4080 level RT.

[@jd881]

@@Jtq-y4n Sure it will. If they had all that they'd have bragged about it.

[@samgoff5289]

@@Jtq-y4nhow many times must Amd fans boast about performance only to be letdown before they finally get it

[@louayg7429]

@@Jtq-y4n 2 perf tier jump, and the 4080 lvl of ray tracing a 1000$ gpu priced to a mid range price 500$, yeah sure

[@PREDATEURLT]

@@louayg7429 Yeah, I can believe jump in performance when they talk about 300W+ TDP, and all talks about not going for highest performance models so it would be 7900XTX performance with new RT cores, but if it is that good it will cost around 1000$, probably 1200$ real store price.

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

The RDNA4 move from top to bottom feels like a marketing and strategy play. They're waiting to see Nvidia's move.

[@you2be839]

Even a blind person can see that!!!

[@kanebunce3791]

If time allocation was really the reason for not showing RDAN4 being cut then AMD have proven that they don't understand the point of CES. CES is short for *Consumer* Electronics Show. To maximise the effectiveness of their marketing, the focus should be on what interests consumers the most. That is graphics cards. What should have been cut is the time that was dedicated to business and enterprise products. They especially spent a lot of time talking about enterprise. Exactly *zero* seconds should have been dedicated to enterprise at the *Consumer* Electronics Show. That should have been saved for business and enterprise focused events.

[@martonsc2226]

no new server cpu, no server gpu, nothing.. so this show for notebook sellers or something

[@Samisipi]

Laptop cpus are consumer electronics. Even more so than niche gaming GPUs. AMD wants to steal laptop marketshare from Intel. Getting marketshare from Nvidia isnt as realistic.

[@kanebunce3791]

@@Samisipi I didn't mind the laptop CPUs being mentioned. It was all the mention of Enterprise that I took issue with.

[@WesternHypernormalization]

"Consumers? Who cares about that! We're here trying to fluff our stock prices!"

[@evergaolbird]

AMD's excuse not to show the GPUs was because CES only allowed presentations a total of 45 minutes. My brother in Christ, NVIDIA's Keynote was 2 hours.

[@recherth.robert]

Excactly

[@aznrobot9637]

They paid money for more airtime

[@jimmer411]

Do you have any idea how long it takes to say AI? They had to say it every couple seconds and that adds up.

[@aznrobot9637]

@@jimmer411 the whole ces was created by AI

[@SirMo]

Last year AMD was the opening Keynote. So Nvidia held the off site event that was separate from CES. This time Nvidia had the keynote, but AMD just decided to use the 45 minute slot allowed by the CES. Intel's presentation was also 45 minutes long. This is standard stuff anyone who follows these trade shows knows.

[@zenon3021]

I don't care what people say, my grandmother says AMD had the best presentation of all time: 1) they opened with "AI fish farming" 2) had both audio and video problems (audio = bad echo for the first couple minutes. video = clip began at the wrong time, interrupting the presenter's speech) 3) presenter's hand was visibly shaking as he held up the CPU 4) another presenter was named "Booty" 5) almost no audience claps 6) ended the presentation with no mention of upcoming GPU's (their most exciting would-be product)

[@DaffyD42]

Number 1 and 4 confirm we are living in a simulation

[@davvader]

And no Lisa

[@wreckage-vs5jv]

This is when your shares have reached levels where you don't have to care about shows and plebs anymore.

[@emlyndewar]

Don't worry about number 5. AI can add in the clapping noise afterwards.

[@Sayntavian]

You said that Frank Azor was at this Q&A... that's enough reason for me to mistrust everything that was said. That guy doesn't know how to not fk up a product launch.

[@killerm12]

THIS that was exactly what I thought when Tim said he was one of the people responding to questions

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Yes, when I heard Tim drop the name, I thought, "Well, there's your problem!"

[@grintcoalways]

He fkd up Radeon marketing since RX 6000. Like th this guy doing.

[@jayb2705]

Frank Azor Ahai, the GPU that was promised

[@Owl_of_Whimsy]

I mean if it's true and they ran out of time maybe not spending 40 minutes on AI nobody but their investors cares about would have allowed them to fit RDNA 4 in, especially considering how little info about RDNA 4 they brought to CES.

[@JCDentonCZ]

I kinda liked AMD in the past for not diving into AI and 'Deep Learning' - FSR doing what DLSS did without 'deep learning' and 'AI' was a great counter and way to discredit NVIDIA's claims and hyped up tech, as well as prove we really don't need all that new tech to get similar-enough results. Them caving in and joining in the cacaphony of this generation's scam/overhyped tech firmly land them in the 'offbrand NVIDIA' category.

[@Owl_of_Whimsy]

@@JCDentonCZ ai has genuine uses like denoising (optix in blender), temporal techniques (fsr4, dlss) & frame interpolation (optical flow in davinci resolve and premier pro) but instead of focusing on that they focused on running generative ai on laptops as if google images wasn't already borderline unusable due to ai slop

[@RADkate]

⁠@@JCDentonCZai is real (sorry). Ist Like When some people are supprised that Stoff Like Copilot of gpt is heavily used, Internet memes often dont reflect Reality

[@AdaaDK]

@@Owl_of_Whimsy Wrong, interpolation does not belong in video games OR in their orignal designed feature for TV´s, its a horrible tech, and purely made for marketing. Absolutely shite to use or sell the idea of AI being important cos of that scummy feature.

[@dennisestenson7820]

They're a public company. They only care about their investors, by law.

[@marvel764]

Come on AMD, looking for a new card this year for a reasonable price.

[@Teh_Monk]

You’ll get it. Patience, my son.

[@davidestesc]

AMD: go buy Intel bro

[@UnluckyDomino]

5070 -$50. Thats all you get. Thats the AMD way

[@titan_fx]

With how 7000 cards pricing, I'd look over Arc for reasonable card atm.

[@andersjjensen]

@@davidestesc Intel doesn't have anything interesting.

[@franciscohiggerson9454]

upscaling made developers lazy im only interested in raw power

[@Nobody-su9km]

Spoke like someone who has no idea how physics work, congrats!

[@NameForgotten1]

The issue with RAW power is that node shrinks are now taking 3-5 years and each shrink is less impressive than in the past. That's why the entire market is switching to AI based rendering. Love or hate it, that's what's coming. Personally, I don't care how we get better performance, so long as we don't sacrifice quality to get there.

[@cin2110]

@@Nobody-su9km They spoke like someone who has common sense who isn't gargl... unlike someone else.

[@Nobody-su9km]

@cin2110 9 years of computer engineering a college degree and 10 6 years working on the area but sure, you know more than me on the subject as usual.

[@EBMproductions1]

​@@Nobody-su9kmwhy should every consumer know physics to be able to buy a certain product? Like should we all have to drop thousands of dolkars per year just to understand why the product is "okay" this products okay but not great and we both know it. I am interested in the 50 series but i feel game developers would be where we see the cards work better but from both sides of the equation.

[@selohcin]

I've learned the hard way to NEVER believe what AMD marketing says. They have become an utterly deceptive company.

[@e2rqey]

AMD hid RDNA 4 for two major reasons: 1. *_They didn't want to get immediately mogged by Nvidia_* 2. They are playing chicken with Nvidia when it comes to setting the pricing on their GPUs.

[@ovenability]

"Playing chicken" You make it sound like AMD doesn't price fix with Nvidia

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@@ovenability Is there any proof of this other than what the internet told you?

[@ovenability]

​@@MarcABrown-tt1fp The internet is a network of various networks so it doesn't tell me things.

[@anothercritic]

Those 4090= 5070 people really deserve the even higher latency from the 4x framegen instead of just 2x

[@nathanbell6962]

3x the latency for gen 4 I bet

[@anothercritic]

@nathanbell6962 nah but instead of half a frame delayed it will be 3/4 of a frame

[@chronometer9931]

​@@nathanbell6962 That's not how it works, it's actually a very tiny hit. NVIDIA presentations showed something like 32-34 ms latency with full DLSS 4 at 4x frame-gen. I can confirm, because the tech is similar to the lossless scaling program which can also do 4x frame-gen, just not as good as DLSS 4

[@Snoozy96]

@@chronometer9931 But thats, horrendous, it's for smoothing. This feature is ONLY good for high tier cards, NOT a 5070. LMFAO

[@dzwonadaj]

yeah like how can u believe it 💀 these are the people who bought the 4060 Ti

[@ekspatriat]

So I presume keeping my 7900XTX is a wise thing to do.

[@respectmathias]

At this point we'd been better off buying Nvidia, even when they're scamming us it is somehow a better deal.

[@Phil_529]

@@respectmathias You would've gotten AI upscaling 5 years ago and it works on 7 year old NVIDIA hardware. LOL

[@gavinferguson2938]

I just bought a 7900xtx, gonna arrive tmmrw. I can still return it by the end of January. Do I return and pick up 9070XT? Keep in mind I paid 1000€ which is standard in the EU when the 9070 will likely launch for 600-700. Any advice on this predicament?

[@Dempig]

Sell it and get a 5070 ti, it will be similar price and much better

[@connivingkhajiit]

@@gavinferguson2938 why would you buy just before all the new shit is coming out

[@izidor]

4:40 if everything is inaccurate then the GPU is either above 4090 level or beyond 4060 level. Because ppl were speculating between 7900 GRE - 4080 Super...so since everything is wrong in between those GPUS must be top notch or trash tier.

[@PCgamingbenchmarktime]

they said the leaked benchmarks were inaccurate. which was around 7900GRE performance in those benchmarks

[@TheQxY]

No, those were two separate leaks, and both are wrong, as we'll likely get around 7900 XT performance, thus their statement.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Your delusional

[@pixelcynic]

they're probably talking about the leaks that put it at the same level as 7900GRE. It can be a fair bit above that

[@PCgamingbenchmarktime]

@ZackSNetwork but yes he is if he thinks it's 4090 level 🤣 at this point, its lucky to be on par with a 4080. They would have shown benchmarks if they were confident

[@FreightTrain22]

AMD never misses an opportunity… well you know the rest

[@meekmeads]

They didn't even have ammo 🤣😂🤣😂

[@achim07]

AMD: The leaks and rumors that put 9070 performance between 7800XT and 7900XT are wrong Also AMD: Here is a slide that puts the 9070 between 7800XT and 7900XT

[@quincyjones725]

It feels like they should have just done their own KZbin video saying that. Relying on media to pass the info along seems like a built in scapegoat scheme.

[@RaKnows]

AMD really pulled off a legit "could have been an email" today.

[@UncannySense]

The 9070xt will be fine if it's priced no more than $500usd

[@AndyViant]

It's not going to be priced at $500. The question is simply whether it is priced at $649 and then drops to $599, or whether they have the guts to price it at $599 straight up. Either way, they will be dropping the price once the 5070 is released, and the 5070 looks bad based on the leaks too.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@AndyViantRTX 5070 will match the 4070ti.

[@FenrirAlter]

550$ for 5070

[@Nucleosynthese]

Not anymore, the RTX 5070 was just priced for $550.. It will probably easily outperform the 9070, even without Ray Tracing. A good price for the 9070 would be $399 imho. AMD needs to win market share and we need competition.

[@AndyViant]

@@Nucleosynthese Yeah, Nvidia pulling out the 4080 Super price for the 5080 was a fairly huge shock. Although it's possible that they're pulling what's effectively a fake paper launch at that price like the B580 at $249. AMD now needs to be pricing the 9070XT cheap. Like it's probably $449 cheap to be viable. $499 won't cut it when the 5070 is gonna easily outperform it, 12gb vram or no. I think Nvidia's 5070 claims of matching 4090 performance need to be taken with a huge grain of salt, and a lot of DLSS 4.0.

[@ankur313]

If AMD are waiting for RTX5000 pricing then they will definitely f*-up !! They should be pricing this in relation to RDNA 3 pricing !! If the RX9070xt is just a 7900xt with slightly better RayTracing then it cant be more than the current price of 7900xt, irrespective of what RTX5000 will cost !!

[@mhult5873]

Wasn't the 7900 XT priced by AMD to USD 899, while the 7900 XTX was 999 USD? And then AMD did not sell many 7900 XT, of course. Meaning AMD did not understand the relative value-aspect, simply the USD/FPS, VRAM-size etc. Maybe AMD has learned it by now, or maybe not. Best regards.

[@SkylordRevision1]

They really shot themselves in the foot by waiting. I recently bought an RX 7900 GRE over a 4070 because I assumed FSR 4 was gonna be usable on my GPU due to their previous backwards compatibility tactics and I will be very disappointed if I can’t get something better than FSR 3. Yes, I understand the hardware isn’t as capable for ML but that was one selling point on RDNA 3 was AI capability. Very disappointed, they are putting Nvidia in a very good place to sweep up the remainder of the market that they don’t already have. Especially with the RTX 5070 with DLSS being the same performance as a 4090 means that if AMD isn’t going to compete in the performance market than they really need to cut prices, and assuming the leaked performance of the 9070 was even remotely correct, they really screwed up and if would not be worth it if the GPU is over $500

[@giant47]

This has to mean the performance is WORSE than the leaks.

[@Micromation]

I guess all those 192 AI Accelerators in 7900XTX will remain in virgin unused state then 🤷

[@respectmathias]

Seems like it, same with rdna 3.5

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Maybe learn to code and then use AI cores to run copilot or other AI assist.

[@figgyoda]

Thank you for the update. I was very disappointed by the lack of GPU news.

[@dark1810]

big brain move to let nvidia get everyone excited or horrified by 50 serise then tell us nothing till god knows when in the future maybe for when ever this card could possible maybe launch at some sort of performance teir that may or may not be around whats reported . Imagine going to a consumer faced event to just make your product more uncertian and underwhelming absolutely amd teir decisions

[@Matticitt]

typical amd behavior really

[@permik]

Chapters 0:00 Intro 0:39 CES coverage sponsored by Gigabyte 1:37 Where was RDNA 4? 4:00 Leaks are wrong? 5:32 AMD prioritizing value? 8:22 Addressing FSR4 rumours 10:25 RDNA4 Efficiency

[@LuxZoltan]

Thank you

[@CrazO9111]

FSR4 not compatible to RDNA3 and RDNA2 thats incredible bad!

[@twinversbr]

Nvidia has been doing that with DLSS. Maybe FSR4 needs a different name since it's more hardware based whereas previous generations are software. Either way, it's not a new trend in the market.

[@CrazO9111]

@@twinversbr With AMD its a new way because amd say always compatible with all Generations. For me this a no go.

[@dvornikovalexei]

​@@twinversbr DLSS 4 is supported on 20, 30 and 40 series

[@tomoconnell2320]

Based on Nvidia’s presentation and pricing yesterday, my guess is that the Blackwell prices were substantially lower than AMD expected, and once AMD got wind of it moments beforehand, they yanked their entire RDNA 4 announcement/presentation rather than announce their products at completely uncompetitive price points and get laughed at

[@BuzzKiller23]

I wish AMD could make it through just one launch without making themselves look stupid. I'm honestly shocked at how incompetent they are.

[@upgrade1373]

Consumer Electronic Show seemed more like Enterprise Show this time around.

[@privaatsak]

The fact that they cut it is very telling.

[@orpsinnet17]

so the leaks were inaccurate... does that mean the actual performance is better or worse?

[@titan_fx]

Because I don't want to be disappointed again, I'd say performance gonna be worse.

[@SteelGrayRider]

"Inaccurate" by AMD's definition, the rumors missed by 1%........

[@cin2110]

They discontinued the 7900 gre it will be as powerful as 7900gre case closed.

[@codybishop7526]

I don’t know what term I’m more tired of.. AI or NFT

[@geerstyresoil3136]

RT, Quantum and July 6th

[@trueNahobino]

I haven't heard about NFTs in a while honestly. Just seems to be AI for now

[@jorybrown6714]

Happy with my 7900xt and 5800x3d. I'll wait for rdna5 10,000 series and am6

[@madscientist6843]

Unfortunately, the market share of discrete GPU's vs mobile, laptop and other skus (handheld and console) is shown in how much time was allocated in the presentation

[@hector3041]

I for one went to hear about dell making computers…

[@AdaaDK]

good joke.

[@Carlton_Banks]

If AMD had reduced the time they spent saying "AI" from the presentation from 2 seconds per minute to 4 seconds per minute, they might have managed to fit it in.

[@terriblegamer6975]

RDNA3 has ai accelerators if not for fsr4 then why have them in there

[@1984Captive]

These were advertised, agreed. If they aren't doing anything or if they don't actually interact with AI computation it could really hurt the company whether reputation or financially through false advert. Not just gaming, so many productivity benchmarks just aren't scripted to utilize. I think you raise a point where they will have to at least attempt to make fs4 work with the cards that had those cores even if limited. Nvidia had ahx of something this when it had a class action lawsuit for the 970 4gb vram being 3.5gb + a handicapped/disabled 512kb portion. I got $20 i think out of it. I have an 7900 xtx, in still waiting to see a use for those cores

[@bythelee]

Strange choice of words to insist that performance leaks are "not accurate". We'd all LIKE to presume that means the actual performance will be much better. But the ambiguity means it could also be much worse. Not ruling out that option by using the "not accurate" line that allows both errors makes me fear the worst.

[@T4ish0]

If the RDNA 4 presentation was supposed to feature the same blatant lies as the RDNA 3 presentation, it was a good decision.

[@packetcreeper]

I had the idea that AMD didn't present for the 9070 XT because they were waiting to hear the performance levels and especially the pricing for the comparable Nvidia products. But it was still a misstep to not have a significant portion of the presentation dedicated to RDNA 4.

[@neverendingsummer44]

The only AMD customers are now data centers, goodbye gamers.

[@YouTubeCensors]

Consoles exist

[@Chuck15]

RIP AMD , nvidia won easily

[@windfire5380]

I can't but think that "AI" is the latest brain disease. It is a turn-off for me for multiple reasons: 1 - It screams "follower" instead of "leader". 2 - It infers fluff focus to me instead of core focus 3 - It injects of a feeling of big brother and control which is not something I'm looking for in my PC HW.

[@fumo1000]

AMD should already have a playbook prepped: If competitors products perform like X and are priced like Y, we can do Z with our launch. The whole lack of RDNA4 info means they are delayed.

[@David-xq5fs]

How many spectators does AMD usually have on these type of conferences? Because i think there was a lot more people watching this conference than usual, for me atleast this is the first time i've ever been interested in these type of shows since i want something decent to upgrade my rtx 2060.

[@Krondorf.]

So nvidia keynote only goes for 45 mins as well?

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Today I bought toilet paper with AI features. It calculates perfect angle to wipe my a$$ and save toilet paper in the process.

[@ChaxO7]

They said the word "Ai" about 160 times (yes i counted) And said only one sentence about their new graphics card. It's unbelievable...

[@The11devans]

So, any idea when this "RDNA4 conference" will be?

[@N0N0111]

They ALL will make the next click bait video kinda telling you the date... KZbinrs are slipper.

[@relucentsandman6447]

I am interested in how the AI units in the 7000 are insufficient, are they lacking in performance or missing something important?

[@thesword1102]

AMD now means Another Massive Disappointment (ref: Jigfio)

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

You fanboys are tiresome. You act like ryzen doesn't exist...

[@thesword1102]

@@MarcABrown-tt1fp Even including Ryzen, this presentation was disapointing as AMD didn't show any price.

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@@thesword1102 Not every generation has to knock it out of the park, they just need to be working on good technology unlike FX Bulldozer. There is nothing disappointing about AMD's progress.

[@YouOnlyLiveOnce...]

Lisa Su before CES: Make sure you mention AI... Oh and we are cutting RDNA4 info. No wonder that guy was shaking AF. He was probably told just minutes before and thrown to the wolfs as sacrificial lamb.

[@mp44christos]

I call BS. They saw the 5070 being 550 usd and said lets change the price.

[@twinversbr]

That and could be waiting on the Trump tariffs to see what is going to happen there first.

[@jonathonschott]

Hey Tim, im gonna keep asking, but after all the dust settles from these gpu launches would you do a benchmark video on what the performance hit is for rtx? It would be interesting to see the difference thru the generations of how much fps is lost for enabling that

[@ycageLehT]

Well, after watching nVidia's presentation, I can see why AMD didn't want to show anything, or at the very least appeared to not want to show anything. Big Ooof.

[@BUDA20]

XeSS with two modes for older GPUs is great, FSR4 only for newer GPUs will be a massive letdown

[@crymsonrose8617]

AMD needs to fire their entire marketing department. That 'showcase' was an absolute joke.

[@KrisDee1981]

If 9070 is close enough performance to 5070ti the price have to be no more than $600 because they don't have Vram advantage anymore.

[@CaptainKipo-n6g]

They would just shove RDNA4 to Q2-3 so that the 7900 cards would sell. All of this sounds like they’re scrambling and tumbling internally since FSR4 isn’t ready and they would lose more money to cut the price of 7900 cards

[@dwaynestimpson5449]

after the 5k keynote, they would be lucky to sell the 7900 at $400

[@orionizaqt]

My guess is they're hoping that their 9070 XT will be competitive with the 5070 Ti and they can undercut the price substantially by pricing it at $650, whereas the regular 9070 will compete with 5070 but at a much lower price of $450. This is of course assuming that the company releasing the products is just disguised as AMD instead of actually AMD themselves because AMD can never miss the opportunity to miss the opportunity.

[@Roman00744]

lol at 650$ it's fate will be like the 7900xt at 900$ DOA wasted space on the store shelves

[@Nobody-su9km]

Yeah... that thing will not be competing with what NVIDIA just released lmao.

[@orionizaqt]

@@Roman00744 $100 cheaper than the 5070 it would not be DOA, but okay

[@Roman00744]

@orionizaqt lol 5070 is under 600$ 5070ti is 750$

[@orionizaqt]

@Roman00744 Ugh.. read my initial comment again please...

[@Ben-Rogue]

Can't talk about new GPUs in their keynote because it takes time away from saying "AI", and getting their lizard-brained investors excited

[@aermotors]

I’ve been in meetings like this and I can tell you they probably dropped RDNA last minute because they are not confident at all in their product. What a shame. They are so weak they have to let Nvidia lead just so they know where to follow. Sad.

[@CosmicMatt92]

5070 for $549 with 4090 performance, AMD are done unless they can put a $300 price tag on it

[@jordaniansniper934]

4090 performance when using dlss 4.0 which is new fg. In raster maybe it will be like 4070ti super or 4080

[@anothercritic]

4070ti non super

[@Nobody-su9km]

​@jordaniansniper934 idc what i have to use, performance is performance... I'm a computer engineer major and work on the area. This ranting about rasterization is such a uneducated take... GPUs won't improve anymore on hardware that is simply not how physics work. Software is the best boost possible on this pricing. You want raw power? Spend thousands on server tech then cause to extract a bit of more raw power takes a whole lot of money.

[@jordaniansniper934]

@@Nobody-su9km ok man but when there’s huge imput lag you will play like this? We’ll gonna see when this gpus gonna be tested

[@anothercritic]

@@Nobody-su9km rt will be these 30%. Raster maybe even less. They showed some interesting software hacks but nobody knows how that will play out. Better texture compression in exchange for a performance hit? Offending at this point (8gb 5060) Especially offending considering last generation was stagnant in terms of value and we only got 30% in 2 generations Unless 30 series MSRP was a lie

[@Roweyy]

Hopefully we get a better idea on rdna 4 release dates from the board partners. My pc blew up 4 months ago, waited for 9800x3d then decided to wait for 8800xt(9070xt) now idk, not going to wait much longer, might be best to snipe a cheap 7800xt.

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

How can the performance leaks be wrong when they were not quantifiable to begin with ???

[@pixelcynic]

cuz they make it seem weaker in general

[@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS]

so its safe to assume that rdna lineup is dead and whatever resources they have is currently working on udna cause i cant think any other reason as to why they would make such presentation

[@giovanniivan]

nvidia prices : 5090 - 1999 5080 - 999 5070ti - 749 5070 - 549

[@TheDiner50]

And with actual AI that do not mess up audio of a CES livestream. vram compression sold us on Nvidia today. 5090 38GB of vram. 5080 20GB of vram. 5070Ti 20GB of vram. 5070 16GB of vram. $550 for a 16GB Nvidia GPU. With CUDA and not anti-lag that bans you from your games. AMD disappointment with CES so hard, that 5070 12GB sounds far more competent then we give Nvidia credit for. AMD would need 20GB of vram to compete with Nvidias 12. And without CUDA AMD is dead in the water.

[@konnichiwa7154]

@@TheDiner50what a smart guy, I guess you are so insightful regarding gpus with those assumptions. Be humble, you just a gamer who doesn’t even understand what he is talking about…

[@gerryh6385]

Only the 5090 is a big bump in core counts over the 4000 series. Althought the 5080 does have much faster memory. It seems clock speed are only slightly faster and probably not over 3ghz as well. We will have to see in reviews the raw performance improvements and not fake frames bullshit. Prices are quite good though.

[@BatteryBee]

I thought this was a retitled version of the previous video with a new thumbnail 🤨 Easy to miss.

[@BKYoutube-zq3yv]

AMD is correct in not announcing RDNA4 pricing publicly first and gets undeserved hate for it. Never name the price first as the smaller guy. Similar to salary negotiations with a company: never name a number first, for all you know their number is 50% higher than what you had in mind and you lowballed yourself. Common sense. There is no benefit to announcing a price first vs the dominant Nvidia. The cards aren't even out yet, people are just mad their curiosity isn't satisfied

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

It may seems that way, but they said they want grow market share. If this was their goal, then margins are not priority. Looks what Intel did with B580.

[@broose5240]

they were going to get Nvidia hype/hate regardless , now its unfounded. They can now let that simmer and announce rdna4 soon.

[@Austin1990]

An efficient design is not copying your competitor's naming scheme. That locks them in to perceived performance and price tiers. AMD's GPU marketing team feels like a freshman class project team.

[@HolloVVpoint]

Wasn’t enough AI at ces we now got them in the comments as well 😂

[@coldvaper]

“AI” said like the guy with the crazy hair that says “Aliens”😂

[@cromefire_]

I definitely hope for their own good that they get FSR at least down to RDNA 3 (which also has decently capable ML accelerators). Especially the top end RDNA 3 cards pack a lot of punch in the ML department if coded for properly (which you'd hope from AMD itself). Otherwise they'll burn a lot of goodwill of the community for sure. And also as their launching without their high end, the XTX and even 1-2 steps down might still be their fastest cards, offering no "migration path" so you'd think they'd really do everything they can to bring FSR 4 to those.

[@emanuelalves5897]

It makes no sense to launch the Z2 series without FSR 4 support.

[@The_Batman-vengance]

If they do this everyone finna scream at them cause z2 have same hardware as rx7000series it would be nuts if they do this people will go 100% Nvidia this time not 90% lol

[@jimbobuz]

Because I can run FSR Frame Gen with my 3080 Ti, was there any mention of them improving upon FSR 3.1?

[@justwatching2302]

Translates to our GPU’s suck and FSR 4 will be available sometime in late 2025

[@ZantoshGaming]

Any Q&A there about the H.264 encoder performance difference from the last gen?

[@turks1966]

How much memory on these new video cards? Also, when compared to Nvidia cards, which do they compare with?

[@titan_fx]

No idea, that's why people are dazzled by this keynote. AMD says 9070 should be on parity with Nvidia's xx70 series card, probably that's why they keep silent about it. Because 5070 is still unannounced.

[@ZackSNetwork]

4070ti/5070 level performance with 16gbs of GDDR6 VRAM on a 256bit bus.

[@ahmetdag1340]

Great reporting! Are both Steves (HUB and GN) there?

[@peki100]

Oh yeah AMD, if screen time is an issue then you can release RDNA4 presentation on your YT channel tomorrow from Lisa's kitchen... Right? That's what I thought!

[@you2be839]

That's not possible... everyone knows that the oven in Lisa's kitchen is not as good as that in Jensen's... RDNA 4 and FSR 4 are not fully baked yet!!...

[@allensmith3703]

If FSR 4 is exclusive what does that mean for old gpus? In games that only have FSR 4 will a 6700 XT for example have no upscaling or will it fall back to FSR 3.1?

[@cin2110]

Leaks I saw were spot on when it comes to performance from what amd showed in the slide max out at about 7900gre maybe a little bit more if you are hopeful lol with better raytracing still not as good as nvidia. They wouldn't have discontinued 7900gre if this wasn't the case you won't be fooling me amd bossman saying the leaks are wrong.

[@gazza80uk]

Looking at this slide, AMD completely underestimated the performance of the RTX 5000 series. The RTX 5070 will outperform the RX 9070 by a large margin. The 9000 series is now entry level, not mid-range. And Intel just put the price on that level.

[@k.23_02]

The 5070 IS NOT 4090 performance. The 5070 will be at 4070 Ti or 4070 Ti Super performance which is the exact same as what the 9070 XT will be. So no it's not going to outperform it by a large margin

[@gazza80uk]

@ Jensen Huang said the 5070 provided 4090 level performance, that’s with AI assistance. Still not looking good for team red. And I was waiting for the new cards reveal.