Harley-Davidson Gave Indian Their Business

Harley-Davidson gave Indian their business, plain and simple. Indian motorcycle is filling gaps in the market that Harley-Davidson has absolutely abandoned. Harley-Davidson eliminated every model from their lineup that offered any kind of value per dollar on their product. Indian motorcycle however is still offering some brand new motorcycles at prices we saw years ago here in 2025. Harley-Davidson is losing the war to Indian motorcycle on all fronts including the future. While Indian motorcycle is opening new dealers, Harley-Davidson is tuning the lights off in many dealerships.
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[@GixxerFoo]

Should Harley-Davidson follow what Indian is doing and bring back some lower cost get you on the brand options?

[@STIFFRIDES]

I think they should yes.

[@chefmike8888]

Absolutely. Honestly though I'm mot so sure that will breath enough life into the HD brand to secure it's future. It would however at least give them a fighting chance as opposed to lying down and giving up.

[@Dbiker75Tex24]

As far as I can see Harley Davidson is done. I don’t think they can overcome the bad business platform .

[@jamessmoth8683]

For someone that is working his ass off in like but still only makes ends meet. His choices are limited, and a NEW harley is not in the budget anymore

[@JJPARRA1974]

​@Dbiker75Tex24 they have been saying that for 10 years....still going and always will. Because people are stupid enough to pay what they want

[@DavoBatty]

Hds fourth quarter sales numbers are just out, Harley sales are DOWN 56% on last years. Their CEO must go and big changes need to be made if the HD company is to survive.

[@markmcintosh7095]

I agree with you. If Indian had more dealers, I think they would sell more bikes.

[@shooter-vx7xy]

I don't understand this argument. Any Polaris dealership can work on them. So they have as many dealerships as anyone else, really. You never hear anyone griping about a lack of Honda or Yamaha dealerships.

[@vernegibb621]

HD does not care about the blue collar guy

[@GixxerFoo]

Exactly, it's going to be the downfall.

[@CactusJack252]

They sure don’t. When my sportster blew up, the HD dealer tried to push a street bob on me with a sale price of like 16k or whatever. I told them to screw off and bought a 2024 Yamaha xsr900 for a sale price of 8,500

[@KRE03051]

What?!? Buy a goldwing or an Indian..you will pay a comparatively price

[@jimanness4586]

Don’t forget about the 5,000$ in tuning and upgrading to the Harley that we all do after we purchased it.

[@GixxerFoo]

That's the biggest selling point on the Indian is that it is ready to go right out of the box.

[@metalted6128]

Who’s we?? You got a mouse in your pocket??? Never speak for others!!!! Makes you look ignorant!! Well unless you enjoy looking ignorant? Then carry on!!

[@blackbuttecruizr]

​​@@GixxerFoo this is what I love about my 23 Chieftain

[@Payt-y5d]

​@@metalted6128you sound like a jack/a

[@Hendomonster]

​@@GixxerFoo Just wait until you tune an Indian. (There's a lot to be said about the power under the curve.)

[@mattmattes3913]

I've owned my 1987 1/2 FLST-Special since day one. It makes me smile every time I throw a leg over it. That's all I care about. Hope your machine does the same for you.

[@JA-zh5xi]

They need to bring back the real sportster to the US market. Sub $10k real Harley.

[@PincheBuzo]

Dudes squabbling over 10 or 15 horsepower have completely missed the point of a cruiser style bike. It's not about who gets there first.

[@ClovisPoint]

idiot boy racers ,who need a Hayabusa ,not a hog

[@robbaar7035]

Great point.

[@consti__music]

Not the point of a cruiser? Then why does everyone want a stage 1,2,3 on their bike? If you don’t care about power, go buy a 88 TC ElectraGlide, cheap asf and slow as shit. It’s a motorcycle, it’s fun to go fast sometimes

[@frankfurther3828]

Jochen just added a 116.5 engine to fill the poser's void between 116 and 117.

[@grubbm4927]

Exactly! All these idiots trying to make a Harley fast… buy a jap bike for half the price, and never have any issues either! Love my loud, slow street glide! lol

[@PincheBuzo]

Indian has to increase the number of dealership support if they want to take over.

[@Brn30826]

@PincheBuzo Agreed! If Polaris would incorporate Indian within their dealership, they'd double the amount of dealerships compared to HD

[@jeffborden9529]

Actually indian dealers need to stop trying to do a bait a switch scam with their bikes. I was going to buy a chieftain. But when I got to the dealership the price they advertised was non existent. That really pissed me off so I went a bought a streetglide instead.

[@Brn30826]

@jeffborden9529 Unfortunately, there are always going to be those few dealerships, whether it is a bike or auto that have bad business practices

[@jeffborden9529]

@Brn30826 true but they really need to put a stop to those dealerships they lost a sale back in 2020 because of it. I woukd consider buying one now but I noticed they are still trying to run that scam in my area

[@Payt-y5d]

​@@jeffborden9529Harley dealer near me, tried to sell a leftover Pan America for 10k over sticker. It's still there 3 years later. Pos bikes anyways

[@d1mennis]

Buy a cheaper slightly used bike, put money into it to make it all you want and come out with money in your pocket!

[@myronmosley2167]

That doesn’t help the company. If everyone did that the businesses would go under.

[@d1mennis]

@myronmosley2167 like the company cares about you!

[@marine052520031]

Amen 👍

[@marine052520031]

​@myronmosley2167 the issue isn't should we buy, it's really who controls the market. The builder or the consumer?

[@RNintheTrenches]

Evo H-D's would fly off my local dealers showroom floor becuase they were priced where you didn't have to sell a kidney to own one. The Evo was good reliable engine and Sportys had style. Not any more.

[@phiberoptik232]

Harley is just begging for consumers to put them out of business.

[@JustAnumbr]

Im taking advantage of the MoCo stupidity. Picked up a 2015 FXDB Street Bob this week. 103" and Custom Hard Candy Paint. Female driven with $$$$$ lots of upgrades already installed. $7500. Stage 1 currently, but I'll change that. Twin Cams for me!

[@kevinkrueger3686]

I absolutely believe HD should bring lower cost option bikes back to the market. Especially in the Bagger class. No frills and a basic stereo. None of the fancy gadgets, I’ll put those on or option them if I want them. And do the same with a full dresser. It also bums me out that there is no Wide Glide style softail with that factory raked fork.

[@georgedelarosa5437]

That’s why I bought a ‘17 RK. I got the M8 motor, factory custom paint (Laguna Orange), did a stage 1 and added a stereo. It’s easy to handle around the city, and comfortable on the long trips. It’s entry level touring bike, but I added the things I wanted to make it my own, without breaking the bank.

[@turbosube5083]

I purchased my first Harley in 1978. I saved up a down payment and bought a red 1979 XLH. Added accessories one at a time, had to save up for those too. Owning a Harley was a big deal for me because buying a Harley was a commitment. Now they want the buyers that can purchase the bike, thousands in upgrades/accessories/clothing all at once. Can’t blame them, go where the money is. But when you stop offering entry level bikes you are telling us you don’t want us any more. And that’s a mistake because if it doesn’t work out with the money crowd we probably won’t be there to support you like we have done in the past.

[@frankfurther3828]

Price of the Sport in '79?__________

[@BikerForJustice]

I agree with you. Used to be fun to hang out at a Harley dealer and look at bikes, now I have no reason to because I'm not dropping $$30-50,000. I really do think it's sad to see.

[@turbosube5083]

@@frankfurther3828Hey Frank, the MSRP at Lasobek Harley Davidson was $3695 plus tax and title.

[@grubbm4927]

I agree as well! Most of the people that buy today can’t afford them either though, they are completely upside down. I’d like to laugh but it affects everybody. It has to crumble at some point imo??

[@Harry-i4j2g]

The motorcycle market is tanking. Indian of Indianapolis went bankrupt. People can't afford a pricey toy right now.

[@deweydodo6691]

I like what i got. Never plunking down 25-30 grand for a bike.

[@samslade739]

I've been riding HD for 50+ yrs. Never imagined riding anything else but those new Indians do look pretty sweet. Problem is, that if I got one of those then I'd have to buy all new tee shirts. And jackets.😆

[@robbaar7035]

Might be worth it plus you get new merch. Lol

[@garypayton5081]

And cover the tattoos if you have them. Lol

[@robbaar7035]

@@garypayton5081 Heck I wouldn't let a HD tat stop me from riding something like the Indian Pursuit.

[@kbob7345]

An Indian shirt is just $19.99. A Harley shirt is $31.99😂

[@williammoore3790]

One of my friends recently purchased an Indian Challenger. After looking it over I was impressed with the build quality and the overall style. He traded in his Harley Road Glide and got a decent deal on a fine motorcycle.

[@clifscalifornia5420]

This video is on point. Yeah Harley should be doing what Indian is doing. They should have figured this out years ago. First thing they need to do is fire the CEO Joken Zeitz

[@Payt-y5d]

I started wearing black glasses to be like GixxerFoo. Then he stopped wearing them.

[@h.d.mech.mortenson2098]

Harley is now a boutique brand. They are hurting themselves. BMW has some nice looking cruisers as well. I just got rid of my 23 Lowrider ST and bought a 2007 ultra classic for 1/3 the price! It has a SE 110 that the previous owner put in.

[@kellybarnard5242]

Couldn't afford the payments huh? 😁

[@grubbm4927]

@@kellybarnard5242for the vast majority of people, if your borrowing money for a toy it means you can’t afford it! 😮

[@thomasreyes2857]

Very informative videos 👌. The cost is what is keeping me from buying another Harley. I currently a 2016 "flstc" with 63000 miles. Everytime I even think about going to Harley dealership! I'm more tempted to go Japanese again 😂😂😂😂. Keep up the good work.

[@edwardsalash2612]

Indian makes a nice motorcycle but what they don't have is the dealer network. Also I have friends who have Indian motorcycles and they have had problems getting service and even basic parts resulting in long downtime waiting for parts to come in. If they can resolve these problems they could be a force to be reckoned with.

[@ianrobertson9968]

Thanks for cutting through that confusing fog of models, specs and pricing, makes it much easier to understand and compare the range of bikes. Sadly I can't afford any of them and will be sticking with my 2007 Dyna.

[@peteward8125]

It’s not just the price difference… it’s the service as well … Harley has really messed me over on a number of things … engine builds , parts and just plain common sense. I do what I can to stay out of their shops now…

[@dreambrew]

HD getting rid of the softail standard is a mistake in my opinion. An affordable big twin blank canvas with a sharp look.

[@KruseProductions]

Good information for someone looking to buy a new bike or a beginner in the market. Prices are out of control. Thanks and catch you next week.

[@vintagejason]

harley's collapse has been unbearable to watch. the brand continues to lose touch with their core customers. just give us a bad-ass base bike to customize - that's all we ask. i have an indian (along with 2 harleys) but i probably would not buy another indian (dealer/aftermarket being biggest issues). it seems so simple (as a customer) to direct them to what they need to focus on

[@tonygring5533]

Harley Davison is rapidly pricing themselves out of business. I own two I have a road glide and a heritage classic 114. There is nothing affordable in the Harley line anymore, and every year, they continue to raise their prices for absolutely no changes to the bike. Or very little, they want to charge you different amount for color and there's so little paint on a motorcycle. It's unreal, you can buy a car in any color you want, and it does not affect. The price of the car, however, a motorcycle. The square footage of paint is so minimum. They want to charge you anywhere from 300 to 2500 just simply for a paint job that's going down. An assembly line anyway, Harley is pricing themselves out of business. Especially with the way their CEO is operating the company, they want to make more off of each motorcycle, instead of doing more motorcycles for less, that has never worked anywhere. In the business of automotive.Look at stellantis right now, with dodge and ram and jeep. Add numerous other automotive dealers. When are these elite CEO's gonna realize? People are done paying for their b******* The world is changing. People are getting smarter and they want more for their money, not less for a name

[@frankfurther3828]

They charge Union American-built prices for plastic, offshore-made junk.

[@WillyB747]

Wake Up Harley.

[@juliogonzalez6370]

I’m definitely looking at getting an Indian…. I have 2 Harleys but it’s time for a change 🇺🇸😎‼️

[@ampini212]

A plan only works if you let it come to fruition. If you make changes every year, it'll never let the people get familiar with what they like or haven't come around to liking yet. Let the idea breathe a little before pivoting to another. I think that is what HD needs to do to stay in the game.

[@chassisresearchkid]

Harley has lost the masses. Nobody cares anymore.

[@kevingonyea]

You mean nobody wants a "pride glide"?

[@ClovisPoint]

becoming an expensive has been

[@camino6431]

I think that all of the american manufacturers, cars and motorcycles, need a lesser cost entry level machine. They all seem to have been pricing themselves out of the market.

[@paulperrigo3517]

I think you're right gixxer. Harley went the wrong on pricing. Eliminating the dyna line was a big mistake. A few years ago harley came out with strippy street glide, they sold very quickly. I personally owned 0:07 0:07 a electra glide classic(a budget dresser) had everything I needed. Indian is going to get the entry level riders.

[@frankfurther3828]

RIP FLH, FLHS, FLHT and F Jochen.

[@thomasblea1676]

If Harley wants to stay viable and competitive, they had better remain flexible to the market demands. When a company forgets that principle, it's headed into a downward spiral. I hope Harley NEVER forgets: SIMPLE-STURDY-LONG Lasting! They need to rethink the "$1,500.00" per year "maintenance queens." .....Just a thought.

[@kevinbyrd8721]

Too many people dealing on quality used bikes now...the Harley stealerships can't ( or won't) compete with em. You can by a 2023- 24 now for under 20k if you shop. No reason to go to Harley " dealership ". Ever.

[@Payt-y5d]

Molotov?

[@Wildturkey10121]

I own a 04 Road King Classic with the plastic windshield and I love it. I love the looks and it is a little sporty. I would love more horsepower but, it does everything I need it to do. Book value says it isn't worth much, but I wouldn't take less than 15k for it with the upgrades I have on the bike. I would love the larger motor and maybe one day. I'd also love the 6 speed transmission, which is my next major upgrade. It has a shaft kit replacement that will drop into the existing case. The air cooling is a bit of a headache here in Texas but it works. The new Harley's all look alike to me, the color choices are terrible in my opinion, and the price is just stupid! I've not looked at the Indian very close, well I can't afford one and I'll never sell my RK unless it is a last resort situation. Sounds like I may if I'm ever in the market for a new bike though.

[@killernanny4315]

Long live Indian Motorcycles.

[@victorsamon9672]

Harley should do what some auto manfactures are doing,,,,,,,a "Continuation" # of a popular bike,,,like the 1969 sportster,,plain and simple,,,with a low price,,,! That sportster was my first Harley,, and I Loved it,,,,!

[@dieseljuice3]

Yes, they should bring back the lower cost options. I will probably, never by a new motorcycle at this stage of the game. Do love my 2012 Heritage Classic Twin Cam 103 in Tequlia Sunrise & HD Orange. Thanks for the great videos.

[@kellymchenry1944]

Indian is headed in the right direction. I saw someone else’s comment and they were spot on, if Indian had the dealers all over the country like Harley I would buy one for my next bike. Right now that’s all Harley has going for them. If I go cross country I can find service.

[@pg981]

Springfield Dark Horse looks like a good one with 116 engine 🇺🇸👍

[@GixxerFoo]

That's not a bad bike at all!

[@ampini212]

It's almost like Springfield and Road kings get completely over looked. Where's the love? Springfield DarkHorse is the best looking big V-Twin without a batwing in my opinion.

[@RealSuperRando]

Recently watched a video of yours from about 4 years ago where you weren’t screaming all the time. It was much more pleasant to watch.

[@harleyhawk7959]

have watched him for years, and he has the same voice in the same tone. SOME WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING.

[@SyThco13]

Harley needs to drop that WEF agent for a CEO, and go back to producing and experimenting with more normal displacement motorcycles, leave them customizable for the customer, like the evo. I think they should come out with a smaller displacement like 1,000cc or 1300 V4. They should start making cruiser missles or in the very least race bikes in their style to compete in the market again. I also have an idea that would make them so much more money, while keeping the business open for all employees. But I'm just a customer, what do I know? Other another note I'm currently riding a Honda 1300 V twin and I just done the intake. I'm certain to smoke a lot of new Harleys.... tuning it tomorrow

[@okieperformancebagger]

@5:11 You used the picture of my friend’s Indian from his channel LOL

[@lateboomer63]

I got my first new Indian in 2019. I sold my last Harley in 2023. Now, I'm a believer. All Indian, all day. While I might buy an EVO one day, I'm done with any new H-D. Very happy with my Indian!

[@badkarma-f3l]

We all been asking for this quite a while. Harley doesn't care anymore. They think they can tell you what you're going to like and that's that.

[@cornbread8246]

JZ is committed to funding his EV bike with ICE bike sales. It’s pretty bad at HD and the Q4 financial report reflects it.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

My bike doesn't HAVE to be an air cooled V-twin. I'm open to other engine configurations and liquid cooling. What I don't want is throttle by wire, ride modes, or screens.

[@TomStratis]

I wonder what the comparative resale value of the two will be 5 years down the road will be? Time will tell.

[@explaindis1]

Soon, I will need to head over to indian , seems to get a lot more for your hard earned dollar then a money pit HD 🤔👍 great vid

[@mikebrown5648]

People's minds are locked on Harley-Davidson then I sat around and talked about the damn thing because the prices and bulshit about them it gets me every time😂

[@highwayman1218]

Base SG with chrome & primer grey..... Ugghhh 28k for it!? Double ugghhh....

[@Methodizations]

I keep hearing about sales are down, and i see the graphs but, i just don't see Harley ever really going under.

[@davidfaria6194]

Indian needs to get a little better quality paint and chrome and then they’ll be on par with Harley Harley Davidson’s paint and chrome are top notch, I might consider it if I was buying a new bike but I’m really a Harley guy at heart

[@michaelmitchell5909]

The new Harleys although expensive, are pretty damn amazing...specially that blue amd chrome lo rider st....... Love your channel dude. Show us your harleys in a video man, a new one

[@TheRoadGlideRider]

I believe my 2021 Road Glide will be my last New Motorcycle. My next could be a used HD or maybe a New Indian Motorcycle? 🏍💨🏍💨

[@firefighterphillips]

We older guys just gotta accept the ol skool has basically died and the new ugly over complicated and over priced is the new skool way. Harley is turning into OCC bikes 😂🤣😂. Just ride and be safe...

[@Payt-y5d]

Well OCC bikes does share a parking lot with Bert's Barracuda Harley in Clearwater, FL

[@frankfurther3828]

@@Payt-y5d They're in Fla because Orange County NY hates them.

[@fatbackcrowe2448]

Harley has priced themselves out of the market. Indian is right on their heels with the bigger bikes but they do have more appealing entry level bikes.

[@BikerForJustice]

I've been a Harley owner for 20yrs but ..... Indian is reminding me of what Harley used to do. The scout lineup and the chief lineup - remember sportsters, dynas and softails ? ( Indian does !)

[@dreambrew]

I'm not to thrilled to keep hearing that air cooled engines are going to be phased out. I love my 116 Thunderstroke not only for it's torque and sound, but it is the finest looking motor in my opinion.

[@jblackacre2325]

I have to tell ya, price isn't the first thing I'm looking at. The woke shit proved to me where this company is. I'm not down with it. It would take a radical change to even make me consider going onto an HD sales floor again. They'd literally have to fire the vast majority of the company and start over. If I ever replace my FXLRST, it will be for an older twin-cam. HD is dead to me.

[@harleyhawk7959]

when indian start building bikes with the same longevity as Harley's, they might get more noticeable.

[@ianm432]

Every Indian bike is far superior to the comparable HD model as far as riding dynamics. I rode every bike Indian makes at sturgis and most of the bikes Harley sells on the same day. With that being said, minus the ftr, I dont like the way the Indian bikes look.

[@GixxerFoo]

I had to laugh that Harley-Davidson made the Pan America ST, a road going version of the adventure bike to compete with what I assume the FTR. Indian sort of rebranded that FTR away from the flat track bike into a sport bike since they outlawed race only engines in the racing series lol.

[@ianm432]

@GixxerFoo they also make an FTR Rally, which is a fluffed up adventure bike. The Panam is much better at medium-ish offroad bike. But then Indian also figured out it wasn't actually any good at flat track racing and took the goofy sized tires off of it. Lol

[@frankfurther3828]

Sturgis HD sell out because of the over-teched garbage that breaks down and gets towed into town. Guys trade them on the spot.

[@michaelroy925]

Indian is doing some good things with their bikes, But in My Opinion Harley Davidson Motorcycles just look So Much better than Indian Motorcycles. With the looks AND the performance! Harley Davidson is My Choice 😃😎

[@jmac6242]

Indian Chief, all versions need a larger fuel tank IMHO, at least 5 gals. That being said it's a Harley Heritage 114 or 117...

[@mikaldene7146]

When the first Man rode a horse at full speed, every Man wanted one. Build a bike that's a bare bones roller and they will sell like hotcakes. The aftermarket will fill in the accessories. $10-12k and they become the home made custom market...

[@Karrpilot]

Harley Davidson dealers are closing by me. Indian only has 3 dealers in my state. When Harley Davidson dealers actually deal, I might reconsider. I'll probably be retired before that ever happens.

[@Reallifenewz]

Had a 98 Dyna I regret selling but had to downsize storage. Kept the 12 street glide that will cook your legs but I can ride it for 8+ hours vs the Dyna that would have you searching for a stop to rest every hour 😅 Harley uses the thinnest oil possible. May work up north but in Florida you need to run 50 W. Makes a huge difference in cooling. HD needs to do better for sure. Thanks for the video

[@Reallifenewz]

To add. The price difference from most other brands is insane to compare. Basically HD forces you to get a loan from the wonderful central bank cartel we have here in the us.

[@kbob7345]

I live in Dothan Alabama. I would buy an Indian, but I bought a Harley instead. The biggest reason is that we have a Harley Davidson dealer and the closest Indian dealer is in Panama City, Florida. Almost 100 miles away. Too far if I needed warranty work or service.

[@Rundark-]

Well since you asked so nicely, I would be remiss if I didn't attempt to honor your request. Honestly, I think H-D has forever lost its way and will file chapter 11 followed by chapter 7 soon after. In a perfect world where corporate narcissism and elitism didn't exist maybe they would stay on the path that garnered them great success. Either way H-D didn't get to the level they were at 10 years ago at their peak by following anyone. They used to lead the pack, alpha dog that made everyone else pay attention and take notes. Ahhh, those were the days! Now, I just patiently wait for the asteroid to end all existence before it gets much worse.

[@Payt-y5d]

Their bikes have been garbage longer than I've been alive. Posers wanting to play biker gang, kept them in business a long while. That generation is now senior citizens.

[@jd9308]

Harley, if they plan on staying in business, they better change what the heck they're doing these days and follow Indian or any motorcycle manufacturer for that matter. HD's business model has gone down the toilet. Almost seems like they don't care to get new customers to come in and buy. Indian definitely has great pricing and a wide selection to fit any rider, weather they are just starting to ride or are an old dog like me. Great vid and enjoyed your viewpoint.

[@breakoutpete210]

I'm not now, or ever going to buy an Indian over a Harley Davidson✌️😎

[@polaridoo1]

How come?

[@playaplaya9315]

Ain’t no damn way

[@Mainecat21]

Let me guess you bought a new Polaris snowmobile or side by side in the last 2 years?

[@dav8388]

I was looking for a bagger. I thought I wanted a fixed fairing so I test rode a road glide. I then went on a demo ride at the Indian dealer and found i liked the Chieftain with the fork mounted fairing a lot better. But compared to the Harley it was smoother, handled great, and had more equipment for the price. I came home with a 24 Chieftain Dark Horse. I had a Yamaha XSR900 that I crashed and am still recovering from. I was seriously considering the Harley Lowrider ST over the Indian Chief Dark Horse to replace the Yamaha. Now that they released the new prices I'm definitely going with the Indian. Harley has lost there God damn mind with those prices they're gonna regret it.

[@lanceandmelanierogers6255]

I’m sorry but I can’t look at a new bike.. I love what I have.. simple Twin cam ,Carbureted, Cams and other stuff to keep reliable and on the road .

[@frankfurther3828]

I ride my beloved EVO past the local dealers regularly. Nothing to see there.

[@richardsmith5738]

I hated the look of the Indian bikes when Polaris first started making them. Just plain ugly to me. But they have been getting better and better each year. IMO Harley still has the better fit and finish...but that gap is closing too. Also, a big majority of Harley buyers don't like change. They want the 2025 models to look and sound just like the 2005 models. That makes it hard to compete when Indian has more freedom to evolve and offer new features.

[@RetroMan1960]

Look, Feel, and Sound we're always the attraction for HD. Plus, they were relatively affordable. They have lost their way in all these areas.

[@frankfurther3828]

Today they idle like a Honda CB 450

[@richardmcmillan533]

I work for Polaris. Engine line. I was told not to test ride one. I'd trade my Harley. I'm not there...yet. When the baggers get a lil bit styled to my taste, ya never know

[@Mainecat21]

Yeah well with the bagger that actually has the performance plus numbers, your laying out $31,500

[@richardmcmillan533]

@Mainecat21 Big bucks. My current bike is fortunately paid off

[@craigsteeves4295]

So if someone buys a new Indian vs Harley, what percentage of the original purchase price will come back to you after you sell it with 100,000 miles on it?

[@JA-zh5xi]

Indian isn’t making it 100k miles

[@yoshit9819]

Harleys aren't exactly holding value either. This isn't the 90s. It's a toy, not an investment

[@dankimgiesler8484]

@@JA-zh5xi Obviously, you haven't done your homework. As an Indian owner for the last 11 years, they are bullet proof. Everyone talks about Indian not having enough dealers to support touring. You don't need them. They don't leave you on the side of the road. Had my 2014 all over the country. Tires, oil changes.

[@Mainecat21]

I've asked the same question several times on YT to the Indian cheerleaders and not one replied about resale numbers.

[@stevecrawford7814]

I’m old enough to not like Indian from the original company. Us knuckle and pan riders liked Indians for boat anchors. The Polaris stuff is butt ugly.

[@alspedone3848]

Harley is going to put itself out of business!

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

Spot on H D is slowly getting left behind The only thing H D does better is the paint 😢

[@dankimgiesler8484]

Agreed, and I'm an Indian owner.

[@ClovisPoint]

Indian at least has a one piece crank ,not that pressed together leggo thing

[@alancouto8581]

MY 07 night train has 107k on my stock pressed on crank still solid.

[@bobdunwiddie]

I've owned 2 Victories, 2 Indians and 3 Harleys. Polaris makes some good stuff whether it's Victory or Indian but when it comes to the electronics and details it's not even close; Harley is a much more refined product!

[@kencarp57]

The German CEO of Harley has stated that he wants to make it a "premium" brand, focusing on selling fewer bikes at higher prices. Well, Iove got new for him... Harley has ALWAYS been a premium brand! Harleys have ALWAYS been expensive! But now, the MoCo seems to be trying to charge as much as they possibly can while making the base bikes less desirable, so customers will pay to upgrade to a decent paint color that isn't a BORING gray, or pay more to go blacked out. I personally hate the blacked out look, but I'm old and I love chrome... I loved chrome on 4-wheel vehicles too, but it has sadly gone the way of the Dodo Bird. You can't even find any new vehicle with any chrome on it these days. The MoCo seems to be trying to optimize their profits by essentially gouging the customer for the options they really want, instead of offering the best value in the market. Their discontinuing the Ultra and RG Ultra for 2025 speaks volumes as to their direction... they don't care about continuing to try to appeal to the older riders who bought Ultras and RG Ultras anymore... "performance baggers" is where they are focused now. And that market is largely composed of younger riders - except younger riders in large part do not have the money to buy $30,000 motorcycles. I get that the MoCo thinks that market is the future, but I think they are going to have a difficult time addressing it profitably. Indian is now a powerful competitor to Harley, with a very deep and broad product line with new liquid-cooled engines that don't have to run super lean to meet EPA regs. If I was in the market for a new bike, I would be strongly considering Indian. The new Chieftain with the liquid-cooled PowerPlus engine seems to be a very strong competitor to the SG, and is priced pretty aggressively. The Challenger is also a very strong competitor to the RG. I think Harley styling is still better - but those lowers on the new 2025 SG Ultra look an AWFUL lot like the ones on the Indian Pursuit... keyword AWFUL.

[@jimmyp6214]

I do like the idea of water cooled motors. And competition makes both better. I'm still enjoying my 96 Twin Cam Heritage Softail. But I will be leaning towards a newer Street Glide next.

[@frankfurther3828]

You will regret it. Keep your EVO.

[@robert-wr6md]

Fingers crossed they don't re-brand as First Nation Motorcycles.

[@GixxerFoo]

You have to be kidding me? They are seriously looking at a rebrand?

[@robert-wr6md]

@@GixxerFoo No I was just thinking of the danger of Indian going woke and the attendant commercial suicide that would unleash.

[@frankfurther3828]

Almost as dumb as renaming the Gulf of MEXICO.

[@Lordbaccus]

I watch most ALL of your videos! very well delivered! If I were going to spend that Much! I would get the "Suzuki B King" 200+Hp same motor as the Hayabusa in a Street fighter frame minus the Faring's

[@jklstewart]

I would never buy a new HD. I love the looks and performance of older bikes. I will keep my older Fatboy as long as I can, and if for some reason I can't buy another used one to replace it, then it's gonna be an Indian. I refuse to give HD my money- they don't deserve it anymore. Thanks for making your videos- greatly enjoyed.

[@Payt-y5d]

Harleys don't have performance. That's just silly

[@brianmorse8811]

😢 priced out of young people‘s budget. Harley Davidson should not be only for those who have retired and have plenty of money.😅 HD please stop pricing our new riders out of owning their dream bike!

[@XxGyromancerXx]

The main issue with Indian is their lack of dealership and shop network. If it wasn't for those two glaring issues, which are being addressed very slowly, I'd have bought an Indian motorcycle by now. I'm optimistic about the company's outlook. Yes, I'm aware they're owned by Polaris, and I don't care.

[@Brn30826]

@XxGyromancerXx Agreed! If Polaris would incorporate Indian within their dealerships, they'd have nearly twice the dealerships of HD

[@dankimgiesler8484]

As I said above, you don't need them. They don't leave you on the side of the road. 35 states, 59,000 miles on my 2014 Chief when I traded it for a 2023 Roadmaster last year. It lasted less than a week on my dealer's floor. Went to a fella older than me. I'm 65.

[@ratjaw75]

The problem with buying an Indian over a Harley is you end up owning an Indian and not a Harley-Davidson. Like it or not Harley has a cachet that Indian will never have.

[@daneboro6847]

Older Indians had a S&S motor in them, they were nice.

[@martincvitkovich724]

Those were more fake than the Polaris

[@xxxarmycop]

I miss my harlequin danes!

[@okiemale1589]

Thumbs up for the channel... Is it Friday already..?? 😎👍

[@GixxerFoo]

Finally Friday!

[@okiemale1589]

​​@@GixxerFoo Well... after you retire... Every day is Saturday... haha!! 😎👍

[@larrys.3992]

Riding anything other than a Harley in my neighborhood, I would have to ride it at night.

[@frankfurther3828]

Doctors and accountants in a gated community.

[@grubbm4927]

@@frankfurther3828😂 Best comment yet!!

[@rebelyell4679]

Once they transition to liquid cooling, they'll go to a V4 configuration, like the Yamaha Venture Star, to keep the horsepower war going strong.

[@reddevil331]

Blue collar still can't afford either one. Kinda pricing us right out of the culture. I was lucky enough to find a used 22 RG w/ 1k miles and paid 22k for it. These new prices would only get me Ramen noodle soup for my meals everyday 😂

[@TheMetalmachine467]

Theres a you tube channel the guy has a Indian challenger and has nothing but problems and is getting rid of it after going multiple times to the dealership to fix it