Rear Only Portal Axle & Overdrive Calculations - VS4-10 Pro

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Harley Designs

Harley Designs

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@Chibs_Creationz
@Chibs_Creationz 5 жыл бұрын
Josh these are the videos u do I love the most I may not understand it 100% or be doing the same build but it's awesome to learn new things and watch you geek out with the numbers, math and physics of it all that's when you're on your wheel house keep these types of videos coming bro 🤘🤓
@moe282
@moe282 Жыл бұрын
This is still my favorite video you ever posted; loved the math discussion and have referred many to it over the years.
@bigmiketamayo2668
@bigmiketamayo2668 5 жыл бұрын
I dig your technical videos, takes me back to when you first started and would voice details of the details. My mother always tells me “The Devil is in the details.”
@gsrkila
@gsrkila 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the math lesson. I myself recently built a "mullet" which I enjoy very much and although I initially guessed what gears to put and where, I'm now able to know exactly what kind of overdrive I'm dealing with and taking the guesswork out of what to install and where, especially since I've been making changes to better suit my personal preferences and driving style. 👍🏼
@montesamapping
@montesamapping 5 жыл бұрын
The best technical specification about overdrive ! Really clear and full of interesting information about an apparently strange upgrade, that is became significant after your analysis ! Really a good job !
@ajosepi1976
@ajosepi1976 5 жыл бұрын
I watched all the way through. I ignored the math because I have no need for it, but if I ever do, now I can re watch this to get the math I need. Good video.
@vmaxmercer
@vmaxmercer 5 жыл бұрын
I like the video...I did know how to calculate gear ratios....key word did...I petty much completely forgot over the years...now I know again...Great video.
@WestDesertShooter
@WestDesertShooter 5 жыл бұрын
Under drive the front as well. This was an interesting video thanks for nerding out on this!
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they make an underdrive gear set yet, only overdrive which is the opposite of what I need. But maybe it will be available in the future.
@neiljones8284
@neiljones8284 5 жыл бұрын
Ring gears.would be too big, right??? Or a pinion thatd had to be too small to work right???
@Warwick3511
@Warwick3511 5 жыл бұрын
I find these to be interesting, to understand the why and how to do something and how it works.
@scalebuildersguild
@scalebuildersguild 5 жыл бұрын
I think I'll just put a portal on the front too and be done with it. ;)
@justinranum7351
@justinranum7351 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely freakin awesome vid man! This is the kinda video that keeps me coming back. I'm also a religious SNU watcher and am really only interested in watching YOUR videos on newly released rigs as you take the time to show us the guts... not the revel over the box art. I feel that so many channels are sadly afraid to pursue the math/science at the risk of boring some viewers. Thank you for filling that void and keeping balance in the universe. Now to keep my own balance... time to watch Mr Talbot beat an Xmax like it owes him money! Mmmmm... an evening of math and carnage... a perfect balance. Thank you.
@redline6871
@redline6871 5 жыл бұрын
Did this to my trx4. Definitely some overdrive in that rig.
@spankymcfarland8360
@spankymcfarland8360 5 жыл бұрын
I watched the whole thing, it was actually very informative, and helpful! So many KZbin videos just skim across the technical info and it sucks!
@matthealy563
@matthealy563 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video Josh, I would like to see more videos like this if possible.
@themountain59
@themountain59 3 жыл бұрын
awesome video..even when its older . My question is would one of the now easily available budget reverse gearboxes make it possible to put a portal to my budget truck ? A transmission like that is around 40bucks only .
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not aware of the trans you’re talking about but if it has a reversed rotation from front to rear than yes.
@chavez4lsuable
@chavez4lsuable 4 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me but I have been in the offroad 1:1 world for 20 years so ratio calcs are fun to me. I have a Capra and I thought the inside of its 3rd member had an area specifically "carved" out for the ring gear to slide into...now I need to break it down again and see if the ring gear can be flipped to the other side. I would need to swap my transmission out though...Capra trans is geared too high.
@nathancauldwell
@nathancauldwell 2 ай бұрын
This has been bothering me for a while now so I just did the calculations for the StealthX transmission and had to use "percent change" instead of "percent difference" to get the exact advertised over drive values of 11.834% and 5.698% (front gear set 52/28, rear gear sets 53/27 and 54/26) the other confusing thing I found is that the overdrive values are based on just the center and output gear ratios not the final drive ratios.
@ReadySetRC
@ReadySetRC 5 жыл бұрын
I love these kind of videos! I'm a Computer Science guy, I loved the equations! Really trying to incorporate overdrive more in my kits. Thank you for taking the time to explain in such thorough detail.
@michaelburton831
@michaelburton831 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Josh. I would say it was actually refreshing to see a video that is so technical. I thought you did a good job to keep it simple and interesting. I come from the full size world of wheeling, so for me all of this really connects me. Also Josh, i think this is what sets your channel apart from others because you do keep it technical. Im pretty sure the simple non technical people are watching RC Girl. Shes cool too but she is really for the entry level person
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 5 жыл бұрын
Good job, Josh ! I liked the 'chalk board' that you pulled out. I'm impressed that you took on that task. it reminded me of my algebra teacher using gear ratios and torque curves to explain transmission design and shift points. Excellent !
@CasperRc81
@CasperRc81 5 жыл бұрын
Ya my new bright tj build with a terrible 11.24” wheelbase and 7lb rig I need all the help I can. So I run an overdrive front ax10 metal housing with the hd overdrive gear 2:53-1 and flipping the housing upside down do to the different cut in gears. The rear I choose an ar44 that is 3:75-1 out of my 1.9 wraith making my difference according to your calculator 38.85%. It’s extreme but man it’s so detailed in picking a line. With 4.19 hyrax and 80mm shocks to save pinion angles. I need to loose weight in the rear with such a short wheel base and wanted ground clearance which compared to an OG ax 10 it feels like there is a portal in the rear. Also I made a custom forward trans mount plate milled out of aluminum. And my tcase is another ax10 trans laid down side ways. My forward diff gear drives the tcase slipper clutch shaft giving me crazy gear reduction. I run a castle slate 2850kv micro x 54/11 on 3s and still only achieve 5mph. 😂 your builds are always awesome and has inspired me greatly thx you.
@williamammon4899
@williamammon4899 5 жыл бұрын
I made it, but I did get lost. Lol awesome truck. Keep up the awesomeness.
@richardfleming9243
@richardfleming9243 5 жыл бұрын
This look to have fun with. Great info. The F9 portal cost is nothing for Performance.
@andyrichey1192
@andyrichey1192 5 жыл бұрын
That's awesome Josh, I love learning new things !! Appreciate you sharing, I love my VS4-10 Pro. Went together so smooth, while I was watching your live build video, really appreciate that !! Painted mine all-black, turned out awesome !! Just waiting on the LEDs what a great product, always logged vanquish Products. Again appreciate you sharing this video Love learning new stuff about the hobby until the next one
@stanandstansfriend6019
@stanandstansfriend6019 5 жыл бұрын
This video was perfect timing I'm in the middle of building a custom rig right now and I was trying to figure out the gear ratios thanks a lot Josh for all your help.👍
@robbryan3044
@robbryan3044 5 жыл бұрын
Great video...although, I've got another suggestion for you (and, if you do, I'm certain a LOT of people would be interested in a "how to" video): 4-wheel steering VS4-10. Obviously, a duplicate of the included front axle couldn't be used for the rear, due to the offset pumpkin, but maybe the VSP07850?
@Bradon881
@Bradon881 3 ай бұрын
How about the gear ratio in the transmission. How can I calculate that into the math
@brulecr1
@brulecr1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I was considering this now I can run some numbers see if its doable on my rig
@distortedbalance
@distortedbalance 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being super technical, math doesn't scare me at all. I learned a lot from this video
@bryanmatheis2194
@bryanmatheis2194 5 жыл бұрын
Very outside the box Josh, it was fun to listen too and I was very curious how you were able to get this to work when I 1st came across seeing you run this at that Autism crawl event! Thanks for explaining it in detail.
@ericshepherd5788
@ericshepherd5788 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Josh, it's not your basic math, this will help extremely so I can figure out the od in the comp killer build now thanks.
@douglasparnell3224
@douglasparnell3224 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I will ever use this info but it is always cool to see what others are doing . Thanks , the rc hold/shelve looks good. Do you have a video of it? Like to build something to hold my rc’s better.
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
The shelves in the back are from IKEA and called the Lack. I reinforced them a little but that’s all. Nothing fancy!
@brookmiller2427
@brookmiller2427 5 жыл бұрын
So your saying my sweet ar44 front trx4 rear idea is probably going to not work based on the axles having different FDRs. Well looks like a VS410 pro is the only option then. Loved the video and the techy info. Reminds me of my 1:1 days👍
@CasperRc81
@CasperRc81 5 жыл бұрын
I have an ar44 in the rear do to the different cut in gears my front ax10 housing is flipped upside down drilling new truss holes.
@koens4433
@koens4433 2 жыл бұрын
Could you use an underdrive ring and pinion in the front
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. But they weren’t available at the time I made this video.
@RUSERIOUS76
@RUSERIOUS76 5 жыл бұрын
Could you have taken a under drive gear set in the front and get down to your desired ratio?
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I’ve seen an under drive gear set yet, only overdrive.
@VanOrdCustoms
@VanOrdCustoms 5 жыл бұрын
Great job on the video Josh. Loving the new background. Very professional.
@leestewart5424
@leestewart5424 5 жыл бұрын
Very cool always looking for improvement in performance and trying different ideas to see what works the best Great video
@michaelhoyle2665
@michaelhoyle2665 5 жыл бұрын
Really cool to do your own engineering. I liked the video. Lot of good gear ratio info.
@johnroberts1.6rc82
@johnroberts1.6rc82 4 жыл бұрын
I would actually like more of these engineering videos!
@oldreliable303
@oldreliable303 5 жыл бұрын
My jeep has a rear portle, and a ttb in the front.
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Jeep with a TTB, that’s an interesting one.
@oldreliable303
@oldreliable303 5 жыл бұрын
@@HarleyDesignsInc kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKi9gYqdntOqfa8 Im not sure why i build it...
@RubyS.1
@RubyS.1 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely a video to add to my stuff I may use. Honestly I watch this channel for the tech.
@DavidRamirez-eo1nf
@DavidRamirez-eo1nf 5 жыл бұрын
I love videos like this man, I didn't know how to calculate overdrive properly before this. Knowledge is power!
@lawrenceshields8791
@lawrenceshields8791 5 жыл бұрын
Please do more tech videos like this! I love listening and learning this detaild tech. Thank you
@Stickies72
@Stickies72 5 жыл бұрын
Professor Josh's class is now in session. Great Video, as an engineer myself I love when folks start using the maths!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
@Legoman585
@Legoman585 5 жыл бұрын
Cool video, I can't seam to find the calculator
@roberth5370
@roberth5370 5 жыл бұрын
I watched the entire video These are the vids i need... anyone can unbox an rtr...... but who's gonna help with all my mad scientist creations if not u..... thanks and keep emm coming
@vipxj1
@vipxj1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm confused, lol. Good explanation on how you achieved the gearing.
@johnsdad092009
@johnsdad092009 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks I enjoyed it and now I understand gear ratios much more.
@GrimJerr
@GrimJerr 3 жыл бұрын
I went with the Ultra, but I have been noticing a lot more Pros, and I was wondering why. I always thought for a crawler Portal axles were the best you could get for crawling. Rear Portal only makes sense to do if that's why you would go with the Pro, unmodified why would the Pro be a preference for a crawler ? Just wondering, already have my Ultra.
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 3 жыл бұрын
It fully a personal opinion between having more clearance at the axle or a lower center of gravity. The Pro also has a little more steering (51 degrees vs 47). And then it comes down to if you like the look of a portal or straight axle better.
@rctrucktalk1149
@rctrucktalk1149 5 жыл бұрын
Don't enjoy math for maths sake, but when it is applicable math I am all over that, thanks for the insight, now I am going to start my own database of gearing stats.
@smokin0137
@smokin0137 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh. I loved it. You have great knowledge.
@davidbanaszak562
@davidbanaszak562 5 жыл бұрын
Great Marketing Video.. so when does Vanquish start to manufacture the items you just prototyped??? Obviously now that you produced it other people are going to want it also..
@indybama80
@indybama80 5 жыл бұрын
Still a bit confused lol. May have to watch it a few more times to catch on lol.
@rc-ingaroundamerica8792
@rc-ingaroundamerica8792 5 жыл бұрын
Alright, I might be stupid here, but wouldn't putting a set of under drive gears in the front help to reduce that percentage as well, interesting build, but like you said not sure if that's something I'd want to tackle, liking the new house studio
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t believe they make underdrive gears yet, only overdrive, which is the opposite of what I need. Hopefully soon it will be an option though.
@rc-ingaroundamerica8792
@rc-ingaroundamerica8792 5 жыл бұрын
@@HarleyDesignsInc I wasn't sure if they did or didn't, but just a thought
@808grapplemonkey
@808grapplemonkey 3 жыл бұрын
How does it work having an overdrive trans and OD gears at your portals?
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 3 жыл бұрын
I work thru all the math in this video.
@808grapplemonkey
@808grapplemonkey 3 жыл бұрын
@@HarleyDesignsInc thank you man. I actually watched this vid 2x and copied the formulas from it... and I was braining so hard that I failed to see I was answering my own question using it.
@scottoblander9419
@scottoblander9419 3 жыл бұрын
very helpful josh
@J4me5De1t0nniu5
@J4me5De1t0nniu5 5 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the tech stuff being I’m doing comps and love the insight
@stratobungle
@stratobungle 5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting stuff! I'm glad you released this video - got very intrigued when I first heard about you building a rear-portal-only rig. After watching your Enduro video with the Vanquish chassis swap, I started thinking about a build myself with the VS410 chassis, Enduro tranny, and SSD axles and was even considering swapping the rear for the SSD portal axle because I heard SBG mention you were running something similar. Then, I heard of the Capra coming out and decided to sit it out and wait to see what it includes. I still have the parts (except the portal axle) sitting around - at some point I'll be assembling them in some sort of combination. I hope you don't mind, Harley, that I included an embed of this video in a new thread over at rccrawler.com to increase discussion of the use of portals, overdrive, reversed transmissions, and flipped ring and pinions for more performance...
@MrBulldog917
@MrBulldog917 5 жыл бұрын
I did watch all the way through but it made my brain hert
@jahmenrcbuildingasone4254
@jahmenrcbuildingasone4254 5 жыл бұрын
I cant find the video of your VS10 with back portal only I thought i was going to be in the description below?
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Whoops, I’ll add it. You can see it in the ASD vlog.
@S5UPERCHARGED
@S5UPERCHARGED 3 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to get around 20% overdrive in my scx10ii with ar44 axles. I have the 27t 8t overdrive gears in the front but it's only around 10%. Is there a way to get closer to 20% with out going this route with portals?
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, pick up the Vanquish Underdrive AR44 gear set for the rear axle.
@00godlovesus
@00godlovesus 5 жыл бұрын
Does it come in the kit;)
@MarcoLemmetti
@MarcoLemmetti 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep ‘em coming.
@roor512
@roor512 5 жыл бұрын
Did you run the stock links in the rear with the portals? Or did you have to also get new links? Love the videos and SNU Thanks you
@otakumoto2136
@otakumoto2136 5 жыл бұрын
I'm doing it!!! Awesome project!!
@TheLMMLAX9
@TheLMMLAX9 4 жыл бұрын
how did you get the 8.71:1 for the rear
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 4 жыл бұрын
It’s explained around 11:00
@michaellenheiser3157
@michaellenheiser3157 5 жыл бұрын
Got it....I like this idea / option.
@Godlovesuse
@Godlovesuse 5 жыл бұрын
What kind of tires are u runing on your vs4
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Proline Krawlers in G8 compound.
@Godlovesuse
@Godlovesuse 5 жыл бұрын
Ty
@renobob7781
@renobob7781 5 жыл бұрын
I made it Josh, great video its good to know the science, physics and logistics plus the benefits of what we do with our tiny trucks. Keep on bringing it to us. 🤠🇺🇸☝️
@jasonsmith8443
@jasonsmith8443 4 жыл бұрын
im new to asking questions online like this. so please bare with me. i'm debating on purchasing a 410 pro or ultra. my problem is i watched you video on the rear portal install on the pro and that is the way i would like to go if possible. i know this video is old, but has there been any new ways you've discovered to reverse the gears in the rear so i can run portals. i would be a little nervous with all the grinding personally. i would really like to go this route if at all possible. any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 4 жыл бұрын
There had been someone who made a 3D printed transfer case adapter to do it as a bolt on option. I don’t have his name though! You could post in the VS4-10 Facebook page to try and have someone post it up.
@jasonsmith8443
@jasonsmith8443 4 жыл бұрын
Harley Designs ok. Thank you for your response. It’s appreciated.
@mojaveadv7135
@mojaveadv7135 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, for the lesson. Trying to figure out what my F9 portals with a Senduro transmission gearing combinations are.
@israelcardona5170
@israelcardona5170 5 жыл бұрын
If I had the money I would definitely tackle something like this.
@MechAnism820
@MechAnism820 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explanation.
@Cooncified
@Cooncified 5 жыл бұрын
Who builds all your personal rigs?
@rcbloke1766
@rcbloke1766 5 жыл бұрын
Love the information thank you I’ll put it to use 👍👍
@gonemadd8522
@gonemadd8522 5 жыл бұрын
Learning is Fundamental!
@brentrobinson3274
@brentrobinson3274 5 жыл бұрын
Math class 101 is fine for me as long as its vehicle related hard data is always great to have but rarely dished out great job
@Mr450pro
@Mr450pro 3 жыл бұрын
I hate math. But you did a good job of explaining how to calculate over drive 😉👌🏻 Did Vanquish release higher over drive gears or is it only the 6.5% in stock?
@Realman1981
@Realman1981 5 жыл бұрын
Looking good RC!!👍👍👍
@ryanp.8807
@ryanp.8807 5 жыл бұрын
Still more fun than geometry yesterday
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
I loved geometry! My favorite class I ever took 😁
@Gorealawarfare
@Gorealawarfare 5 жыл бұрын
66.6 percent! Its the devil overdrive!
@tomandrews5392
@tomandrews5392 5 жыл бұрын
Great tech information...keep it up..
@dtpcustomsrc4851
@dtpcustomsrc4851 5 жыл бұрын
My head hurts... but... I learned something. Thank you sir.
@billcox87
@billcox87 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the vid brother, VERY HELPFUL!! thanx;)
@carolina.lb27
@carolina.lb27 5 жыл бұрын
Love that truck‼️‼️‼️
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for entertaining my wife 😂
@Chiefs_Estrella_de_Mar
@Chiefs_Estrella_de_Mar 5 жыл бұрын
Easy to follow explanation.. but I love math. I’m taking it you have some prototype gears I’d like to get my paws on...
@seanhanley947
@seanhanley947 5 жыл бұрын
Professor Harley. I thought it was fun.
@josh6575
@josh6575 5 жыл бұрын
In your example. If the drive shaft rotates 10 times. The rear wheel makes 1 revolution while the front makes 2. How is this not 100% over driven? 2 is 100% greater than 1.
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Because you are assigning the importance to the front or rear without any specific reasoning for that. If do the same calculations but flip the importance, then you get a totally different number. That’s why you have to average. This is just how it’s done, it’s not an opinion, it’s the rules of math.
@josh6575
@josh6575 5 жыл бұрын
@@HarleyDesignsInc I am thinking about it as tire roll out. The front tire is covering twice the ground as the rear. I am having a hard time seeing how dividing the difference by the average works. Seems disproportionate to me. If I run the Dready mod on a Hammer T case. I come up with 31.5% OD. What do you come up with using that method of calculation? Not looking to argue. I enjoy math and like to understand it when I come across something new to me.
@josbarhorst
@josbarhorst 5 жыл бұрын
Did you just say the VFD transmission is stuck with overdrive? That would not be good for a truck of this caliber... or me...
@vlozity
@vlozity 5 жыл бұрын
i am a visual type of person, a graphic designer by trade and not an engineer! hehehe you have the truck in front of you... why not show us the insides of this build?
@donaldsneffe
@donaldsneffe 5 жыл бұрын
Christmas Time? Oh, no... it is your car-tree ;-)
@brianwalls4733
@brianwalls4733 5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome
@tommy1504
@tommy1504 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome truck, all maths aside
@yotatech04
@yotatech04 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, I've always liked math so it wasn't too much in my opinion.
@moosejawrc
@moosejawrc 5 жыл бұрын
I am reminded why I became a history teacher. Only thing missing from this video was a lab coat. #MathIsHard
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 5 жыл бұрын
That and the quiz at the end.
@brazwewn
@brazwewn 5 жыл бұрын
You mentioned reverse cut gears. Are these available, if so who makes them?
@quadproper
@quadproper 5 жыл бұрын
google says: deadloc racing
@brazwewn
@brazwewn 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, the best kind of answer is a smart ass answer! Will check them out.
@GrimJerr
@GrimJerr 3 жыл бұрын
More Math Teacher !
@robertrosson1990
@robertrosson1990 5 жыл бұрын
To build a very capable rig,math is a very important tool to help with the driveline to work at its best performance level.Why bother building a rig to be at its peak performance if you don't understand gear ratios.Its a must know how in my oipion.Thats for sharing.Yes it almost felt like I was back it school for a minute.L.O.L.But still great info.
@trialpsycho_rc
@trialpsycho_rc 5 жыл бұрын
Great help thx
@chess135
@chess135 5 жыл бұрын
just wow. but i loved it. wats up all bla bla ratio the end. you are awesome.harley goes 50% portal 2019. 2022 goes 100% portals :)
@HarleyDesignsInc
@HarleyDesignsInc 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe I’ll go 75% first...
@RTmadnesstoo
@RTmadnesstoo 5 жыл бұрын
@@HarleyDesignsInc on a 6x6.
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