Harold Halibut Preview [Stop Motion Rant]

[@animateangus]

For once I agree with him. Stop Motion is an entirely separate medium to CGI - which is what this is.

[@Cryin98]

What, you like Corden?

[@GenghisD0ng]

The law has been broken

[@TheSaladin777]

@@Cryin98🤣🤣🤣

[@jethrobradley7850]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how smoothly animated Limmy is. Almost seamless.

[@allyp7]

almost like stop motion..

[@jethrobradley7850]

​@@allyp7 Actual stop motion?

[@Avengerie]

Texturing could use some work though

[@dxbphoto]

He’s a puppet

[@Jimbobiscuit]

Almost...

[@optimisticgambler3616]

At least 75% of Limmy clips could be titled "Limmys no having it."

[@avibank]

Reminds me of when they tried to call the Lion King remake "live action".

[@Broogan13287]

These tangetial rants are the best content he does. Love it when he gets into arguments with the chat

[@dxbphoto]

Its like derailing a teacher in class so you dont have to do classwork

[@TheDrunkMunk]

He has a point. I thought the bloody game was stop motion because everyone was saying it was, then found out it very clearly isn't actual stop motion

[@batlin]

100% agree that "literally" when used to mean *literally* the opposite of "literally" is completely unacceptable. Makes you want to go "sorry, did you mean 'figuratively'?"... "wha?"

[@ALForb]

he's right.

[@mondoprime]

The whole rant could have been avoided if the fella doing the preview just said stop motion STYLE. Game does look class tbf.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

The steam page says stop motion Aesthetics so he only needed to repeat that

[@Jacorpes]

I've recently been trying to replicate the feel of stop motion with CGI and I'm 100% with Limmy on this. A lot of my colleagues describe animation with a low framerate as stop motion even though it's CGI and it drives me mad.

[@SpiderCD112]

On the Kickstarter video they mention stop motion style. So i think it's just an ign mistake.

[@MrFunsocks]

"and move it, just a tiny amount"

[@WesleyScottOfficial]

He's right, you know.

[@ouroldhouse3674]

He's right, the IGN guy was wrong to call it stop-motion. The makers of the game didn't actually say it's stop-motion though, as far as I know.

[@KellyMazurowski]

The technique they used was actually un-cleaned up jittery motion capture kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6bWpKaJhshjrbMsi=_S45Ov8wNvEQu7aY&t=1794 there's even a mocap demo at the 13 : 03 mark of that video

[@rory90FiVe]

The guy who said it's his degree is getting scammed

[@YouMystMe]

"Yes, well done big man." I spat my drink everywhere! Limmy's dynamic with his chat is so amazing. XD

[@tomwilko7841]

in the distant future this clip will be seen as a classic of limmy's 'middle period', some scholars will argue that it straddles into the big man's later 'imperious' phase, but it's generally agreed upon that it's 'middle period'.

[@oui2611]

the flaw is they didnt even try to emulate stop motion, it just looks like motion captured animations with claymation models

[@polartechie]

The first game that did this for real was called "The Neverhood"

[@AfroDude]

Some of the chat are completely daft its amazing

[@labdG]

I found this video only because i googled "Harold Halibut not stop-motion" because I hated how everywhere onlin the the game is reffered to as stop-motion and seemingly nobody understands that it is not stop-motion.

[@cleetusboon]

I think the only way the devs could legitimately call it stop motion is if they manually moved and scanned each pose of every animation and then sequenced those scanned poses into the game. Is that actually what they did?

[@MassiveCatLittleLegs]

Stop motion is very time consuming. On a good day they get about a second of film. Say you wanted to do a wave, a dismissive gesture... what you'd do, you'd move the hand - just a tiny amount. And then one finger - again, just a tiny amount. And then another finger - just a tiny amount. Then a third finger - just a tiny amount. Then you'd move the eyes around - just a tiny amount. And then the other one - just a tiny amount. And then it's 'Click, click' - two frames. And then move the first toe - just a tiny amount. Then the second toe - just a tiny amount... etc.

[@c.cooper6000]

Exactly so claiming to have done it and actually just bunged it on a computer isn't right

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

...anyone fancy a pint?

[@ryanbarry34]

A day for a second of animation is a hugely wide exaggeration. None of this isn't bog standard information everyone knows, thats why claiming something has done it is disingenuous.

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

@@ryanbarry34 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGKcmXltYtOHbsk

[@MassiveCatLittleLegs]

@@ryanbarry34 exactly!

[@kelpkelp5252]

Stop Motion is a process, not a bloody style!

[@aarongomez1920]

I bought this because I thought the concept of a stop-motion game was cool and the premise sounded interesting, and while I am enjoying the game so far, I'm a bit disappointed that it's not real stop-motion because you can see quality issues that likely wouldn't have been there if the whole thing was animated by hand.

[@JohnTheRegis]

Frog Zoe - sounds like a 5 minute charming stop motion animation, an actual stop motion animation

[@Zilch.0]

2:20 Limmy giving chat the verbal equivalent of a steel ruler across the fingers a is my ASMR.

[@simonthompson27]

Look… just wait. This is just a taster. An amuse-Bouche. I’m telling you. Think of when Cuphead came out. Now with unreal engine 5 giving us proper strangeness ( liminal spaces ? Proper limmy-nal ! ). I’m not going to be satisfied with all this high definition kit until I can play full on Chorlton and the wheelies in beast mode.

[@BigFrogg]

I agree. This is like when they called the new lion king “live action”. Was it fuck

[@RichardPhillips1066]

Agree its bullshit , and quite Pernicious, since it undermines the work of real stop motion Animators , which is extremely difficult and time consuming

[@shanebobey9435]

Hello what does pernicious mean? I haven't heard it enough times to connect it to any meaning.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

@@shanebobey9435 like Malicious but worse

[@shanebobey9435]

@@RichardPhillips1066 Thanks!

[@ben8430]

He’s giving grumpy uncle energy here it suits him

[@jak.masters]

Spot on, big man

[@Pepespizzeria1]

See his point, if I make something out of clay and/or plasticine, then I've created stop motion otherwise

[@dxbphoto]

He’a done it again ladies and gentlemen

[@NiallOSullivan]

All the people that call all stop motion "claymation" can also do one.

[@DW_69]

You fkn tell em Limmy

[@GinoZump]

Someone tell Limmy about The Neverhood game!

[@raggamuffin06]

Don't a ton of AAA games do digital scans of models for textures etc nowadays? Good to see stop motion thriving! 😂

[@lesblack8996]

Is Harold Halibut really Adrian Brody?

[@fin9672]

I hate to agree with him but he is 100% right. Stop...Motion simple. Its purley a discription of the animation method. Unless you are poseing the 3D character frame by frame, thats just nomral keyframe animation just like in any other game.

[@psychic_cat_studio]

Stop motion is a process not a style. Move model, take picture, repeat. You could even have a stop motion film so well animated that it doesn’t look like stop motion. But it’s still stop motion. 👊

[@TheAlmightyAss]

If you could have a stop motion film that is so smoothly animated you couldn't tell it was a traditional stop motion film, doesn't that mean that stop motion is actually a style of filmmaking as well? Stop motion has a distinct look and feel to it.

[@alexwells6876]

Love the look of this stop motion game

[@seanelstob5922]

It’s not stop motion. The film industry routinely scan in physical characters/models and then animate them in the computer. Jurassic Parks dinosaur models were scanned in and animated but they were obviously not stop motion. The most you could say is that it’s done in the style of stop motion.

[@jackbennett2269]

Limmy has always been in stop motion??!!

[@cupcaketyrantdar2483]

If they animated frame by frame with 0 interpolation, then I'd call it stop motion, yes, even if it was digital. But I don't think they did that.

[@redactedwatkins6195]

scrolled down to see if someone had said anything like this. i agree that it would still be stop motion if it was animated digitally, and its not really a complete argument to say eg “well this isnt stop motion bc you havent moved the plasticine with your own hands”. i think you could argue that its still stop motion even if you make the models entirely digitally but im no animator

[@staceyboomboom8031]

Steel is heavier than feathers😂

[@psychic_cat_studio]

Limmytwitchclipsplus, the home of logic!

[@RuberSocks]

I mean if some of the 3d animations are digitally scanned per-frame... then it is actually stop motion

[@Ryuryumi]

gives me the same amount of acid reflux to when i watched this live, some

[@funkychicken4509]

Nah if you watch the behind the scenes videos on this game they used a lot of stop motion processes, it's obviously not a stop motion film because then it wouldn't be a game. The games art style is incredible, took them 11 years and should be applauded (dunno if the game is any good). I don't know what the ol yin is talking about here but its good he's got something for his mind to chew on at least

[@Cryin98]

It still ain’t stop motion. If it’s not made like a non-cgi Aardman film it’s not stop-motion. Like the film Flushed Away, the game is simply stop motion style.

[@JTWraith]

You are right, it ISNT Stop Motion.. But the "feel" and "Aesthetic" is of Stop Motion in its Visual Style and the way its presented. Angry old man.

[@spencermackay9020]

Doesnae metter cos the haunds still look pure mince man.

[@parkinsonwhite5116]

Really it should just be described as claymation

[@jak.masters]

Where can I get a stop motion Twitch notebook?

[@she_wench9856]

Pffft...does anybody fancy a pint?

[@Cryin98]

Froggyfuck or whatever in the chat couldn’t not be more wrong.

[@PROJECT-de9pd]

Yeah, at best this has a stop motion aesthetic. But thats it really.

[@LukeTG1_TTV]

‘Stop style style’ - rant avoided. 🤣 A movie takes 4-6 years to make stop motion. This animation is obviously too smooth. He’s correct to rant about it.

[@LukeTG1_TTV]

@@fisheyes9695 "Fourteen years have passed since game director Onat Hekimoglu had the initial idea, while studying for an MA at Cologne Game Lab."

[@bryncarnelly1234]

Stop motion starts at 4:53

[@Jules-yu1uo]

It's shite anyway. Just keep walking into doorframes. Never saw Morph do that

[@greenhowie]

See now everyone's going to use "Stop Motion" wrong ironically, just like "POV"

[@ib7566]

i bet you could do cgi stop motion with model scanning, set up a clay fella and scan em, move his toe scan again, thats only 4 zetabytes a character not bad

[@sergiopalleres4825]

Although it would made you faether proud, "Wrong Way Down a One Way Street" is just a bit of a song and we still call it a song, so this can be stop motion

[@sergiopalleres4825]

@@firalanger6850 Yes, my comment was meant to be a joke as well, apparently it failed its purpose

[@firalanger6850]

@@sergiopalleres4825 sorry. Deleted.

[@Oscar-ei3de]

Gutted he turned off the soundtrack at the start!

[@frazclark79]

Not stop motion…..there not stopping and moving models per scene,

[@Libbyyyyyyyyyy]

ya cannay day it!

[@petewerehere]

An old man yelling at the clouds, literally

[@andrewatkinson5570]

He is right like

[@goulcher]

Hardly feels like “bullshit” as some of the comments say. A dedicated team of artists worked on this for ten years with real models and real sets, animated with motion capture. Doesn’t feel like a cop out to me, it looks and feels stunning to play imo and is a breath of fresh air.

[@aarongomez1920]

Right, but it's still not stop-motion. I'm enjoying the game too but I won't deny it was the idea of a "stop-motion" game that got my attention and made the sale. They advertised it as something it simply isn't and that's going to upset people because they feel like they've been tricked. I watched the trailer like everyone else and assumed it was real stop-motion, but it only took a few minutes of playing the game to realize there's no way it could be because the animation quality just isn't there.

[@PixelPusher1]

As an animation major I agree

[@Sudz_0_0]

NOOT NOOT!!!!!

[@Cactuspractice12]

Jerry Seinfeld wid be prood

[@cartoonhead9222]

It's like a less impressive version of the Neverhood game.

[@MichaKurzewski]

Neverhood is stop motion tho

[@DustyRagu]

its a shame that the sets and lighting are fucking gorgeous, but the models look like they're blurry and look complete out of place. Sometimes the models look fine when standing still, then they suddenly look like early blender animations as soon as they move.

[@simonthompson27]

And when I get that chorlton and the wheelies immersive environment stop motion gameplay … I want Jeff minter giving us some banging space goat techno hallucination segments ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYvZgHqGoZughZYsi=D_q_y2FKINjcG01D headphones on !

[@hamrammr1]

It's not stop motion. They're not stopping anything. It's all digital.

[@Sc0pe777]

Say what you like about IGN but they got a reaction out of ya, ya gotta give em that...

[@eazyrat]

Limmy and all his right wing buddies "YOU CANT CALL A VEGAN SAUSAGE A SAUSAGE ITS NOT REAL MEAT!!"

[@notsure4475]

Animating scanned characters in 3D is not stop motion, they are frauds!

[@doichekonnecktion]

I will say, it is possible to make stop motion animation using CGI.

[@xanderkale]

if there's a movie with a CGI spaceship created in a realistic style, it doesn't mean it's actually real, it's still a CGI animation. no one would argue that because it looks "real" ILM must have made an actual spaceship and launched it into low orbit. stop motion is "real" - physical models being shot and animated in the real world. you can emulate the style in a computer but that doesn't make your CGI animation stop motion.

[@Videoneer]

I felt like I got bait and switched with this game. Everyone is saying it's "stop motion", when it's not actually stop motion at all! It's all mocaped! That's an entirely different thing. It's all 3D scanned models with mocap applied to it. Nothing stop motion about it! Also I will say the mocap looks like hot garbage too. It has a weird floatiness to it, there's no intent behind the animation! So it all just looks ...bad.

[@deadsi]

Oh.. Was gonna say why would you make a stop motion and purposely make it look like cheap cgi. It's just cheap cgi tho

[@Jules-yu1uo]

Can you stop picking on quasi stop motion. Stop starting on it

[@Sneakerboy4000]

It's called Claymation. He's right in everything he says. Stop-Motion=/= Claymation. But ultimately it boils down to semantics. The reviewer doesnt seem to differentiate between the previous two. This severe disregard of integrity blessed us with this rant though, so I cant complain.

[@LurkingCrassZero]

Limmy's being deliberately pedantic. It's stop-motion styled. The only two actual stop-motion games I can think of off the top of my head are The Neverhood and Skullmonkeys.

[@chippieb759]

It identifies as stop motion.

[@sirprintalot]

sorry but the old man does get irritating in rants like these.