Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Doesn't Make Sense

[@pretendtheresaname9213]

I don't see why those sentenced to Azkaban wouldn't have their wands broken, are you telling me that that's the punishment for getting expelled from a school but not for going to prison?

[@dilaisy_loone2846]

Exactly!

[@eduardoo31]

that's what i thought!! i had never thought about this before hahahaha

[@MrRys]

I think it works only if you aren't full thought wizard yet... you have your wand broken and you won't be able to finish your study... when you are adult then what would be the pont, you have your wand broken and will have to buy a new one? wand chooses it's owner but there isn't just one wand for each wizard

[@pretendtheresaname9213]

@@MrRys Breaking students wands won't affect anything either. Hagrid is still performing magic even if he doesn't have his wand anymore (for some reason, considering his accusations were cleared), he only needs a new wand and studying. Also, is not like if UK people couldn't go to Beauxbatons to study, or to any other school. I don't think the ministry intended prisoners to *scape* so worrying about them buying another wand is not really a concern.

[@DeeSnow97]

Breaking the wand indicates finality, it's a sentence that you will never use (wand) magic again. It works for expelled students because it means they will not get entry to the wizarding world (unless you're friends with Dumbledore and even then it's not exactly equal). By the same logic, it would work for Azkaban life sentences, but if someone is not sentenced for life there is no reason to have their wand broken. Although, it's interesting, we never see anyone get an actually defined sentence, Hagrid is imprisoned indefinitely in book 2 as a desperate measure to stop the attacks and everyone else used the Unforgivable Curses anyway.

[@tetsujin_144]

3:33 - "You're in trouble if you get too fond of or dependent on the Horcrux" Isn't Harry a Horcrux? Isn't roughly everyone in trouble, then?

[@mattis1389]

Yeah since there is a horcrux inside harry he should have been partly atleast much more toxic and problematic for the people close to him. Like yeah he was but spooky speaking parsle and he did had some angsty anger issue here and there but honestly for very valid reasons in context of his situation and life story. Actually he was always a super good guy way to good all the time. There atleast should have been phases were he was somehow toxic manipulativ possesiv for the people close to him. Idk if jk Rowling tried to show that. Like with the whole fith of him feeling evil and there's something evil in him and he's so much like voldemort. I'm sure that's what she did there but tbh. In reality he still was always realy good. Idk maybe it would have messed up the story and his charactere to much since he's supposed to portray a classic hero mire than a antihero right. So she could make him too bad but I honestly would have digged if there were like signed times phases were the people close se to him ginny, Ron, hermine etc. Had like similar experiences like they had with the hocrux. Tho technicaly that should have been kinda all the time in way when they were close to him like with the other horcrux which realy would have messed with the charactere jk actually wanted Harry to be. Which is very kind and actually nice to be around. I guess she did it well a good mix making him feel like somethings bad in him but him still dealing with it as the honorable guy that he is and overall still choosing good etc. Actually that part were harry struggles unconsciously with the horcrux that lives inside of him that he doesn't know of is one of my favorite parts of the whole movie. I just love that concept. It's similar to Naruto having the 9 tales in him.

[@YMasterS]

Lot of people around Harry die or get severely injured. Just saying.

[@simonacannizzo5141]

Exactly what I was thinking about. Ron and Hermione have become especially attached to Harry

[@scarlettbigam9893]

yep and having another horcrux around would increase the amount of voldy around so that would compound the toxicity already existing

[@SwipeSide19]

.....lol this is brilliant

[@CPTDoom]

Regarding the horcrux affecting the kids as they wear it - it is possible that, because the kids knew what it was and were emotionally invested in destroying it as part of their quest, they had also made themselves vulnerable.

[@Mickle1026]

CPTDoom i was thinking this as well. For the first half of the book the kids were on the verge of obsession with the locket and horcruxes in general. Plus they were physically weak from being on the lam and borderline malnourished. It's easy to see how they could be vulnerable to the locket and it's affects. I just don't think jk pointed that out enough so it kind of looks like a plothole

[@jawstrock2215]

I was trying to put it into word, and you made a much better job then I was explaining :D All the "hatred" and thought into destroying it, all the constant thought about it to "protect" it so it would not be lost(like wearing it 24/7 by one of the 3, never leaving it on the ground.) They also had it in their possession for quite a while also, making them more susceptible. Ginny was completely controlled by the Diary from pouring her thoughts into it, the trio just got to a bad case of bad temper.

[@shayla106]

CPTDoom At this point when we has to say things like it’s possible,it means the writer didn’t convey what they wanted clearly enough. We shouldn’t be doing the authors job for them.

[@Tomgd420]

Shayla Nash We don't need to use possible here though. Think about the Horcrux's the one being talked about now.... It amplified feelings and doubts already present allowing the wearer to voice and express things they otherwise wouldn't. Pretty freeing? I don't think the authors job wasn't done here....

[@bobmortimerisweird]

i just figured that the books Hermione was reading were incomplete because nobody knows everything there is to know about horcruxes.

[@fernandaazevedo3688]

Weasleys: we are really trying to make our house safe for you Harry, putting spells around it, always checking each other, worried about the death eaters. Also Weasleys: let’s throw a big wedding party on our yard!

[@flugsven]

Fernanda Azevedo As long as the yard is within the protected area, it didn't matter. Untill the fall of Ministry Of Magic, that is. With the ministry in wrong hands the most effective protections were gone. Death eaters could suddenly enter Bill's and Fleur's wedding party. Shacklebolt had just enough time to send the warning patronus before the party crashers arrived.

[@fernandaazevedo3688]

flugsven but if the area is so protected, why they’re always checking each other for impostors? And, like, if the security spells and the Ministry protection are so great as to detect someone undercover amongst all the invited people, the band, the men from the marquee company, etc., why Harry, Ron and Hermione were still able to sneak into the Ministry of Magic ITSELF using just a potion that - literally - a 12 year old can make?

[@ariaalexandria3324]

@@fernandaazevedo3688 Hogwarts was protected. Barty still managed to sneak past by masquerading as someone else.

[@magicalpj]

@@fernandaazevedo3688 For the first question, easy answer. CONSTANT VIGILANCE. For the second question . . . yeah, you got me. It's basically beat over our heads that Hermione is a genius, so I don't think it's true that ANY 12-year old could make Polyjuice Potion. But . . . there's still no reason they shouldn't be checking for that kind of thing, like that waterfall thingie in Gringott's that dispels all enchantments.

[@serenoli]

The Weasleys throwing a wedding during VoldWar II is the 2020 equivalent of Covid Parties :D

[@MichaelAlthauser]

Merphy: How are wizards so DUMB?? JK Rowling: Did you know that wizards used to poop themselves and just vanish it away?

[@michaelsommers2356]

That's really dumb. They should have vanished it away while it was still in their bowels.

[@josiahbaumgartner7643]

I always assumed they pooped in a bucket and vanished it from there. Do they specifically say they pooped themselves? Lmfao

[@akanesaotome5924]

No wonder theres not many wizard/muggle relationships back in the day, who would date someone who prefers to poop themself insntead of using bathroom? Burning on stakes possibly started because of shitty date in this unniverse. :P

[@MichaelAlthauser]

@@josiahbaumgartner7643 I don't know if Rowling has specified, and I don't care to find out. That was one of those "Ok, nobody ever needed or wanted to know that" bits of info that she decided to share about the wizarding world.

[@grueti21]

since the first book i don't get how they live with muggles and have no idea about most things muggles do.

[@DeltaYT_Aarav]

Harry could also have been the secret keeper. He couldn’t speak yet, so he was the safest bet.

[@pranavkarmarkar]

omg that's so smart

[@ArielSubotzky]

I think it's a willing process to become secret keeper, like you have to say some spell or phrase to take it upon yourself

[@kostisth1436]

yeah the thing about wands in the beginning is even worse if you think about how they broke hagrids wand for a one-time not confirmed crime

[@martinkois7126]

Anti-giant prejudice.

[@nope5023]

kostis th they can just buy or steal a new one anyways, not that big of a plot hole

[@AzureKite]

@@nope5023 Except the books also tell us that wizards perform best when they have their own wand, or they win it in combat (but for that they'd need their own wand) soooo

[@cyberwolf_1013]

Well, to that point, he was accused of killing a girl. Just sayin'.

[@adidas-dd4dt]

@@nope5023 untill you realize that Voldemort blew up an entire house then turned into something less than a ghost but still got his wand back.

[@kofichristie8247]

I think it should also be noted that Harry and the team never had a good reason to wear the locket horcrux in the first place. And it was especially silly to continue wearing it once they realized that their personalities were negatively affected by it. I don't buy the explanation that Harry wanted to "keep it safe." There is magic for that. "Are you a wizard or aren't you??"

[@JoniWan77]

So that J.K. Rowling could mimic the one ring, honestly. This amulet was just a copy-paste ring-quest. As if she wanted to show us, how much inspiration the ring was for the whole horcrux concept.

[@emankcin1701]

+ Why there was no curse like in the ring.

[@silkscrim]

and the very next horcrux they got, the cup, wasn't kept on their bodies lol

[@mattis1389]

The hocruxes do seem to differ and have unique characteristics. Like for example the diary is pretty special too since you could litteraly like talk to the horcrux directly just by writing in it. So maybe the curse of the ring was also special idk Dumbledore also said he tried to use the ring the stone in it cause he want to see his sister so badly or other family. But propaly he realy just put it on but possible he could have tried something different too.

[@patheticgirl1000]

especially because once in the book, just before harry asks hermione if they can go to godrics hollow, he says that to put them both in a good mood, he suggested that they leave the horcrux on the bed for a while. like?? why don't you just do that all the time?

[@alexsamurai1230]

So my immediate thought about replenishing food was, that yes you can increase the amount of food exponentially, but all that extra food would still exist in the same state as the original item, it wouldn't immediately become brand new. Let's say you have a loaf of bread. You can expand that on day 1 and you have a ton of bread, but by day 4 the bread is going mouldy and trying to expand it only gives you a ton of mouldy bread. Therefore it is necessary to constantly be finding new, fresh food items to expand; this spell frees you from the need to find sufficient quantities to feed everyone, (you could potentially just obtain one potato chip and expand it), but you would always need fresh foodstuffs.

[@pyjamacritic1171]

That was my first thought too but if they chose the right products they could be set for a lot longer. I just checked my cupboard, the beans and hot dogs have expiry dates in 2023. Packets of rice and pasta could stay useable for years, just need to summon some water to prepare it and even Hagrid can pull off that charm. So as long as they are willing to forgo certain perishables like eggs and bread then they could live for years on a £10 shop. A few tinned vegetables, couple of frozen items. They likely don't have a fridge freezer in the tent but they must have charms for resealing tins and keeping things frozen. x

[@kbwaterbug29]

But you can improve the quality of you already have some so you can improve the quality and remove mold or other signs of aging of the food

[@1stmorgoth289]

Let´s not forget that you can summon animals out of thin air and incidantly you can indeed eat animals. So Why on earth you cannot skip this extra step with magic doesn´t make any sense.

[@mayeven]

Canned food?

[@1stmorgoth289]

@@mayeven nutrition pills?

[@WJLMAROON]

Also Harry and the gang annoyed me on the run. Best believe if i was trying to save the whole wizarding world from a tyrant, I would have no guilt in nightly nicking local McDonalds. Were at war bro nobody cares if you rob the supermarket of some chocolate.

[@mrdropkicker1]

Lauryn Watson to be fair... it was mostly Hermione who was doing all that moralizing about food

[@DarkMasterofCupcakes]

Honestly, if you were being sent to Azkaban for a very serious and/or dangerous crime, I would think your wand would not only be taken, but broken.

[@drogadepc]

That should be the case.

[@mortenlunddk]

I was thinking why keep people who has life sentences when they just escape and join the enemy again like why not just kill them seeing as they will never release them again?

[@DarkMasterofCupcakes]

@@mortenlunddk That's probably because they consider the Dementor's Kiss worse than death, and the anticipation for it to happen is probably almost as bad.

[@mortenlunddk]

@@DarkMasterofCupcakes yes i will agree yet we have characters that "live" through their 13 years in Azkaban example Bellatrix. Yet i just think an example with Lucious when they know they can't control the dementors properly and keep Azkaban safe yet they still send people there. Just seems silly

[@xhawkenx633]

@Manatee you do realize that they had most certainly the best wandmaker alive in their basement? Yeah I totally wonder how lucious got his wand back/ was able to have a fake wand broken instead of his own, considering that olivander could have been forced to create a fake one...

[@ZombalayaQ]

Merphy: Essentially, what you're telling me, is that James valued his declaration of friendship over the safety of his wife and child. Me: Yeaaaaaah, that sounds like James to me.

[@hectorrobertocontrerasmiranda]

he probably didn't even mentioned to Lily

[@Speculativedude]

Agreed to be honest except for the fact that he fought against Voldamort, he usually comes off as kind of a dick. I'm sure he loved his wife and son, but to most people he was a jerk.

[@haley6579]

I figured it was because he knew he and Lily were high-profile targets. if the one who is the secret keeper died every person they told the secret to would become a secret keeper, meaning that the living spouse and Harry would be in much more danger. so they chose Peter because nobody would think to go after him and kill him, he's a low profile guy and one of their best friends.

[@Tomgd420]

Haley McKeever It's the reason stated in the Book people evidently missed. James was Obvious and Sirous was second choice though stating just as Obvious so he recommended Pettigrew. Which was as you said less likely.

[@jameswilson-cj9mh]

@@haley6579 actually originally it was sirius that was suppose to be the keeper but he talked James into having it peter instead thinking peter was good .

[@Finians_Mancave]

RE: Wearing the horcrux vs being dependent on it, one could argue that in their desperate circumstances, the trio felt incredibly dependent on it because it was one of the vital keys to saving the wizarding world. A LOT depended on keeping it safe and in their possession.

[@Tomgd420]

What is dependency? It made them speak truth though amplied. This was Freeing. So the dependency between host and parasite was letting out what laid silent. Though with a cost.

[@JasonHook9]

Still doesn’t make sense that they felt better once it stopped touching them. Ginny broke into the boy’s dorm to steal back the diary. It had a hold on her even after she tried to toss it.

[@katara2021]

@@JasonHook9 I the soul divides in half with every horcrux won't the locket piece be weaker, also Ginny was very young at the time and she didn't have anyone to share the burden with.

[@blueteller]

I once made a theory that with a single wand, house elf, invisibility cloack and a broom, you can basically take over the entirety of the Wizarding World in a week. You don't even need to be a fricking wizard! The wand is to plant it on someone to frame, in case you're caught. Seriously, the security in this world is an absolute joke. "Hogwarts is the safest place" my butt, a DOG can just get in.

[@katprosser8989]

BlueTeller I’m pretty sure a house elf can only be owned by a wizard though.

[@1stmorgoth289]

not so fast my dear. The dog was not alone . He had an accomplice on the inside. It was none other then..... a cat. There is no security strong enough to withstand the almighty power of cats and dogs combined. one more thing "Hogwarts is the safest place": and therefor it was one possible for 3 1st-year-Students to steal one of the most powerfull artifacts in magic, atleast at that time.

[@danielcooper3332]

@Oliver Stahlberger did we ever get an explanation as to why Crookshanks helped Sirius. It's been a while since I've read but the book but I feel like it's glossed over.

[@blueteller]

@@katprosser8989 Not so fast. Even if that's true - since it isn't anywhere stated, actually - it's enough to be a Squib then, aka. not a wizard but a member of wizard family. Still, you could always hire a free elf like Dobby. Sure he's the oddball, but there's bound to be at least one like him out there.

[@1stmorgoth289]

@@danielcooper3332 i think sirius says that crookshanks is very intellegent and that he persuaded him into helping him because the cat knew that he wasn´t a dog.

[@leigh-anjohnson]

Dobby didn't break the Fedilius Charm. Ron was able to tell him where to go, but you wouldn't be able to see the house or get into it without the Secret Keeper telling you. Dobby just got them to the beach nearby

[@anaisabelpais7389]

And then when Ron got there he probably got Bill to come out and tell the others

[@BluStarGalaxy]

I just re-read the beginning of the chapter called, The Wandmaker. Harry was able to see the cottage from a distance after he and Dobby just landed. How would Harry see the cottage if the secret keeper (Bill) hadn't told him where it was?

[@leigh-anjohnson]

@@BluStarGalaxy Huh...I guess I misremembered. In that case it really doesn't make sense. Oh well

[@BluStarGalaxy]

@@leigh-anjohnson Unless Bill saw Dobby when he arrived the first time and went out to meet him. Then he quickly told Dobby the address to Shell cottage, making him part of the secret. This then allowed Dobby to bring Harry within the field of the charm allowing Harry to see the cottage.

[@Tomgd420]

Leigh-An Johnson There's no doubt Bill told Ron and Harry etc. Though forget the conversation about Bill as the secret Keeper as if it were new information. The whole secret keeper thing is very flawed. If you knew prior I think you still know? Which ehh.

[@TheDiego908]

8:08 There was a part in the book where they try to multiply fish but then decide not to because each copy felt less fulfilling than the last . And I think you can't easily create counterfeit money since coins probably have goblin magic

[@dustinmaxwell259]

Whee! I'm on a necro'ing spree! Resurrecting old posts like crazy. Yes, you are correct, unlike the Messiah, wizards could copy food but it wouldn't be as good as the original source. After a point the food would lose most of its flavor and nearly all of its nutrional value.,kind of like eating cardboard while pretending it's pizza.

Harry Potter was a good story, but when I read the books back, I notice it is not really strong lore-wise

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

Yeah, they have a LOT of problems. The characters and writing are so good that it's easy to overlook them but they are definitely there.

[@drogadepc]

J.K probably never had the habit of revisiting her past books when making a new wand.

[@bradleyberdan1390]

Yeah, it doesn’t really compare lore wise to some other masterpieces of a series, like Lord of the Rings or a Song of Ice and Fire. I think the beauty in Harry Potter is more just its wildly creative world and characters and ability to pull you into the world and enjoy reading it. It has its flaws but at the end of the day it’s still a fun read nobody should pass up.

[@DrewLSsix]

@@bradleyberdan1390 the lord of the rings mythos is the result of literal decades of work, and revisions! Rowling is getting shit on these days for doing the exact same thing BTW. The original Hobbit was a fairly different story to the one most people are familiar with, it had zero mythos built in and was simply a collection of small adventure stories roughly following the overall story of a treasure hunt. The ring was just a magic ring, not "The One Ring!" And countless other examples. Rowling did something impressive, she basically took the Hobbit genre and mad it even more popular and wide spread than even Tolkien did, then she expanded that from an original child's book to a full series that grew with its readership into young adulthood. Compared to that Tolkiens transition from kids stories to adult fantasy was abrupt and required a LOT of retcons.

[@themanofconstantsorrowelia1929]

@@DrewLSsix except Tolkien had a reason to and actually put thought behind his changes. JK will change things just because she's trying to be cool

[@Andrew_Young]

Apparently it's not just that you sacrifice yourself for the other person, or else James's sacrifice would have protected Lily. The murderer needs to give the victim the choice to live, but they chose to die for someone anyways. Snape asked Voldy to spare Lily, so he gives her the choice to live. Voldy tells Lily to get out of the way, but she chose to stay. I can see that being a lot more rare than someone just sacrificing themselves for another person.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

Voldemort's shattered soul as a result of his Horcruxes might be another crucial piece for how it works too.

[@zazmok]

Andrew Young Hit it right on the head

[@waseem58]

Did he give a harry a choice in the forest tho?

[@RandomCarrot2806]

@@waseem58 He does before Harry goes to the forest. Voldemort gives a big speech by amplifying his voice magically to resonate through the castle telling his death eaters to pause the assault for an hour and then tells Harry that if he comes seeks him out he will spare everyone in the castle. It starts on page 529 at the start of chapter 33 in my copy.

[@Andrew_Young]

@@waseem58 Good question! I agree with Anders Hansen

[@Nasser851000]

the one thing that i hate the most about the last movie was that harry never used the elder wand to fix his wand or hogwarts -_-

[@KamKing19]

Dream Master that’s why the movies aren’t considered canon. They follow the books loosely

[@ZaphodJan]

Haha just imagine Harry waves the elder wand and say repairo, then the whole castle is fixed!

[@Tomgd420]

Dream Master Didn't he in the last movie? Pretty sure he repaired his wand.

[@KamKing19]

Thomas D At the least they didn’t show it. Or him going into the headmaster’s office afterward.

[@JasonHook9]

@@Tomgd420 Only in the books. In the movies he snaps it before fixing anything.

[@psych0536]

Shell Cottage wasn't under the Fidelius Charm until after the golden trio, Dobby, Griphook, Dean, Ollivander and Luna arrived there. Bill let all the Weasleys know that Harry and Ron were imprisoned and got out to there so all the weasleys went into hiding, because the Death Eaters now knew Ron was with Harry and not ill at home with spattergroit, which put the entire Weasley family at risk

[@ocadioan]

The Weasley family should honestly just have been rounded up the moment the Ministry fell. Literally _everyone_ knew how close Harry was to them, as well as their general attitudes.

[@robertgronewold3326]

House Elves don't necessarily have stronger magic than wizards. They have a different FORM of magic than wizards. Plus, since more wizards discount elf magic, they don't set up protective spells against them, and in many cases, they don't want to essentially shackle the elf magically, because if they can move around magically, they can get more chores done. Also, the part of the book where McGonagall mentions the law of transfiguration is where they are entering the Ravenclaw common room. It is stated that when you create something magically, you are barrowing matter from everything else around you. With that knowledge, when you are trying to multiply your food, you are not duplicating the exact atoms of your food. You're barrowing from the objects around you, and thus not necessarily getting nutrients from around you. Plus, you have to remember the 'skill' level of the wizards in this world. While some spells are easily performed by Hermione and Dumbledore, this is complicated magic for other people. Some wizards are not very skillful, just like normal people everywhere. Remember the Quikspell Course from book two. There are some really talentless wizards in this world, and they have no way to increase their food on their own.

[@drogadepc]

I think wizards and witches don't even understand House Elf magic

[@EvaraLia]

Lucas Vasconcelos I think house elves don’t even fully understand house elf magic.

[@thorna100]

I'm pretty sure I remember a part in the text with maybe dumbledore talking about how sirius always underestimated house elves and their magic. Maybe I'm imagining this. I'm pretty sure I read something though that hunted house elves have different laws of magic and wizards had always underestimated that fact.

[@1stmorgoth289]

your argument that it is difficult so just skilled Wizards and Wiches can yous it is basicly irrelevatn cause(and you mentioned her yourself) hermine is with them. She can even summon animals out of nowhere. As for *" barrowing matter from everything else around you"*: well basicly ,and i don´t wanna get into detail here, that´s what basicly evry living thing on earth is constantly doing. Sry for the bad english

[@JoniWan77]

The thing is, if the law of transfiguration works like that, you could not really use replenish to make someone drunk. After all the alcohol should behave like nutrients in that case.

[@dead_buttons]

Very recently, this series got me through a severely bad fit of anxiety attacks. Thank you so much, Merphy, you truly were the chocolate to my Dementors!

[@Jahjaga]

Someone already mentioned the "choice" element in the sacrificial protection Lily/Harry are able to give, so I'll just note how reasonable it is for, in a pre-globalized society, information about magic to not be perfectly disseminated. Happened all the time in our own history. We can assume people survived AK before (under the strict circumstances involving choice & sacrifice) but it wasn't a high profile occurrence that captured the public imagination. The books are also very Eurocentric, so in my headcanon, this is a case of a bunch of British witches and wizards going around saying, "Wow, crazy, boy who lived, never been done, innit?" while the history of magic in other cultures is rife with examples of people skirting the killing curse.

[@romathinio]

1. In fact, the events of the Harry Potter saga develop literally nine years after the end of the magical war, which literally split the wizarding world into two parts and was, in fact, a civil war in which one half literally applied death curses against the other half. So there is a very small possibility that during this magical war, in which every family was attacked, there was not a single case where one person didn't give his life from another. 2. The concept of "choice" is absurd because "choice" in this case is an illusion. Or should you think that Lily, to Voldemort's proposal to "move away and save your life," could answer "ok, please kill my son and keep me alive"? Obviously not. So the "choice" in self-sacrifice in this case is an illusion. At the same time, the case when Harry decided to sacrifice himself for the sake of saving the whole school is an example of the actual way a person makes a conscious decision to sacrifice himself for the sake of other people. 3. What is described in the second paragraph is not "Eurocentrism", which is a globalist concept, but "provincialism", which is a regionalist concept. This is the first thing. Secondly, even to this extent, there are "non-provincial" wizards who cooperate with other countries at the level of science, diplomacy, politicians who exchange data and, of course, keep abreast of everything that happens in the world magic community. All this points only to the fact that "the magic of self-sacrifice" must be a very common and well-known fact in the magical world.

[@Jahjaga]

@@romathinio 1. Is this in response to me? I have said that it's very likely this has happened before, and often, and the only reason why Harry's case is treated as such an exception is because it was a high profile event involving Voldemort. 2. Voldemort could have killed her without offering her an out. Giving her the option to stand aside, which any self-respecting parent would never do, was foolish, in this respect. Part of why it's fitting is that Voldemort (1) doesn't understand why she wouldn't just stand aside because he doesn't understand what it's like to love, and (2) brings about his own doom by giving her the option. 3. Not sure what you're saying here. The books take place in a pre-global (Wizarding) society, but they were written in an increasingly globalizing world. They are definitely Eurocentric.

[@moncala7787]

Didn’t “Moody” teach them the unforgivable curses? It was primarily in a defense sense sure but he was doing these in front of the students in full view.

[@danielebowman]

Indeed. Also I imagine the difficultly of getting it cast in the Ministry was obviously different because like Hogwarts spells are case that prevent certain magics in the Ministry like mind control ones. That would't apply at Gringots even if a bank would want that..

[@Heothbremel]

Yes, he 100% did because Harry had to fight past the imperio many different times until he could shrug it off.......

[@alexs7670]

I vaguely recall that it was imposter moody casting the curses on the kids

[@moncala7787]

Alex s it was Crouch Jr. that’s why I put Moody in quotes

[@54raynor]

Yep, everyone at Hogwarts during Harry's 4th year was shown all three curses, and also had the Imperius Curse performed on them. Not only that, but the books explicitly state that Harry is exceptional in Defense Against the Dark Arts, so why isn't it out of the realm of possibility that he could do this curse?

[@alexshih3747]

I'm surprised you didn't talk at all about the Elder Wand. For me, the way the Elder Wand (and wands in general) changes allegiance has never made much sense.

[@filipe_acb]

So Draco disarmed Albus and the elder wand changed it's allegiance do Draco, that part ok. But when Harry disarmed Draco, the wand that Draco was using was his own wand and not the Elder Wand, that, at that time was very far away from him. So there's no reason the Elder wand would belong to Harry. Only Draco's wand should belong to him.

[@kimian6779]

So much yes

[@jawstrock2215]

@@filipe_acb The wand that Draco used to disarm Dumbledore was Draco's, which is the wand Harry used against Voldy. Draco's wand change alliegence to Harry after he overpowered Draco. The elder wand just recognized the wand that had already defeated it, and was following Draco's wand's master(however new).

[@drogadepc]

Keep in mind that not all wands change allegiance, that's a misunderstanding. Most of them do, but some change allegience easier than others. This is related to the flexibility There's a wand wood that is so loyal to it's master that should they die the wand will stop performing magic.

[@2602Jorno]

@@filipe_acb It doesn't matter which wand Harry grabbed from Draco. The Elder Wand still senses that Harry overpowered Draco, and it only wants to serve the best, so it chooses Harry.

[@gaz0428]

I feel like the house-elf thing makes a lot of sense. They knew how strong they were so they tried to make them feel like lesser beings to have control over them.

[@thJune-ze7dn]

Does anyone know why everyone took polyjuice potion to turn into Harry? I thought it would have made more sense to make Harry turn into someone else so that nobody would be in danger, am I missing something?

[@-jxnx-]

16thJune1904 if you finished the book someone forced dung to recommend that

[@karthikayanedathodathu1337]

Snape did it..its said in Snape's memmory

[@PhoenixXZY]

@@-jxnx- I think that even furthers his point tho, you're telling me the rest of the order didn't question MUNDUNGUS, one of the most untrustworthy characters?

[@keriezy]

@@-jxnx- not the question... the question is wouldn't have been smarter to hide Harry by disguising him as a different person versus making six other people change into the guy they're trying to kill? Harry could have snuck out as anyone!

[@filipe_acb]

Yeah, Harry could've turned into his cousin Dudley, and the walk or been driven by car to the burrow!

[@rhiaydel]

Tiny note: Yaxley talking about how hard it was to infiltrate the ministry was a bluff. I’m not saying it wasn’t hard, but he was trying to talk up how much he did to impress Voldy. He wants to gain favor and is feeling bad because Snape is getting all the attention in that scene.

[@clementdenis4212]

You cannot bluff Voldemort he can do legilimancy.

[@rhiaydel]

Clément Denis While that’s true, Voldemort is unlikely to care about someone exaggerating. It’s not a downright lie, he’s just playing it up. If Voldemort cared about people phrasing things to make themselves look better, every Death Eater would be dead.

[@jamessmith8233]

Hermione was talking about Horcruxes in the context of being possessed by them, like Ginny was with the diary. They have this conversation at The Burrow. They never become emotionally attached to the locket and are therefore never possessed by it later on in the book. It just affects their mood when they wear it for a certain amount of time.

[@rickylyon3846]

About James not being secret keeper: It was Dumbledore who told the Potters about the fidelius charm. I'm guessing he didn't tell them that they could be their own secret keeper. Because Dumbledore knew James too well. He knew James would not stay confined within the safety of the fidelius charm unless he was forced to. It's also one of the reasons he took his invisibility cloak. So James wouldn't sneak out of the house. So Dumbledore told them about the charm and that they had to appoint a secret keeper but skipped the part where it could be themselves. He was probably hoping they would pick him but they didn't.

[@EL-ISS]

I don't get why Albus didn't just make himself it without giving them a choice. Like think of it: These are two former students he loves dearly so much so he probably saw them as his own adopted kids. So place yourself in that situation. I would rather force my will on them so they didn't die than letting them choose just to be polite.

[@concettasorvillo3719]

Doesn't make sense either, because Lily knrmew also James very well and she could be the secret keeper.

[@sayven]

How would that force him to stay inside?

[@MeLadydhampir]

I get where this is going. Dumbledore, pretty much like voldy, has a tendency to believe that they know best. And he is manipulative enough to withold info if he believes it is for the greater good. He may have hidden the fact that it is possible because he wanted a level of control in the situation. Initially it was sirius that was chosen. We have to remember that sirius believed in dumbly fully at the 1st war and he is actually easily manipulated emotionally. If james was keeper, they could disappear out of thin air and albus would be as out of the loop as voldy. He wanted a level of control. Until of course Sirius suggested peter as keeper without telling dumbledore. Its not that albus had an ulterior motive... its just that he wants to limit the possibilities to those that he can foresee, predict and control. But yeah we all know what happened.

[@thecpmr6276]

See, but the thing is, it's not explicitly said in the books. We shouldn't have to grasp at straws.

[@arcticwolf8313]

16:14 "Something very specific about Lily." Lily was given the choice to live but chose to die to protect harry. BTW this means Snape saved baby Harry because it was only because Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily that he gave her a chance to step aside. JK Rowling specified that you have to be given the choice to live but choose to die for the sacrificial magic to work.

[@dustinmaxwell259]

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain much. I agree with her and a lot of other, out of hundreds of wizards, Lily couldn't have been the ONLY one to have been put into that situation. The real answer is the plot needed to happen. Rowling has a great imagination but she sucks at consistency, which is why Harry could suddenly spread that protection to "everyone" at will, even though it was only supposed to have worked through the caster's own life force fueling the spell. Which means, harry HAD to die in order for the spell to work. Die as in D E A D, and not "die" but then come back thanks to some loophole. Rowling was all over the place in this book. But she could have easily explained it by saying Voldy wasn't the true owner of the wand which meant it had been rebelling the entire time. One year Necro ☺🤐😬

[@arcticwolf8313]

@@dustinmaxwell259 Dumbledore knew of the sacrificial protection so it couldn't have been the first time it's happened. But yeah, it is weird that such magic would be unknown when Dumbledore understood it. it could have been such a rare case that when it does happen, it falls into obscurity and legend. At least that's my head canon to fix this glaringly obvious logic hole.

[@danielabel9830]

I think that Lily and Harry's sacrificial love spell only worked the way it did against Voldemort and no other, because it was a way to counter someone as evil and as loveless as someone who would create horcruxes to remain immortal. In a literary sense, it is showing how love is the only thing that can conquer hatred or evil. I'm rereading the whole series now in quarantine, but I think the only time this sacrificial love took effect was against Voldemort, and the only reason why is because the dark magic he performed on himself for immortality made him vulnerable to the power of unconditional love and sacrifice. I enjoyed your video!

[@emmanlss]

- There was a very specific thing that allowed Harry and Lily to protect others: they were given the chance to save themselves, but they didn't. Lily was told by Voldemort to "step aside" and Harry was given the hour in which time he was given the opportunity to flee, but he willingly went to his death - I've always thought that the food situation was that every time you enlarge the quantity you are multiplying what you already have. So if you multiply perishable food, you are also multiplying the bacteria so it will go bad just as quickly. - Also, I thought that maybe becoming your own secret keeper was a new revelation after the Potters' death. - Maybe the death eaters think that the "good guys" wouldn't use the unforgivable curses so they didn't think it was necessary to protect themselves? - With the wands in Azkaban, I thought it would be like muggle jail. All your possessions are kept for you while you are in prison and then given back to you on your release. You could argue that their wands are "murder weapons", but they are so multi-purpose that I just assumed that it would be like getting back a cell phone or any other possession upon release

[@Sheuto]

Why would being your own secret keeper be a new revelation? Like, no one ever thought of trying? Makes no sense.

[@emmanlss]

@@Sheuto I just figured that nothing like this had happened before, so they didn't think of it until after deaths. Pretty common with a lot of things in our world

[@Sheuto]

@@emmanlss Lol no it doesn't make sense. The spell is designed to protect a place from enemies. You do it because you expect someone may try to hurt you. So no one ever thought of not putting their lives into other person's hands and just casting the spell on themselves?

[@emmanlss]

@@Sheuto Okay

[@taylor_green_9]

I'm not even sure it's true that they're getting their original wands back. Maybe they're getting new ones. Only Voldemort is known for a fact to have gotten his original wand back, but that's because Pettigrew had it all along

[@ananyasinha9995]

I noticed a thing during snape's memory... First, remember in the first book how the dersleys laughed about the whole nine and a quarter platform? Now coming back to snape's memory, there's a scene where Lilly was going to Hogwarts for the first time petunia was there with the parents to see Lilly off.. now in book one I get it she didn't want vernin to think she had anything to do with magic.. but still at least some weird expression would have been cool from petunia when Harry mentions the platform first time.. not a plothole.. just it would have been cool..

[@_an_ananya3504]

For the wand thing, I'm pretty sure when death eaters are sent to azkaban, their wands are snapped (the same thing happened with Hagrid right?). And the death eaters captured Ollivander so that he could make wands for them and for information about the elder wand.

[@tabeatamm3594]

I thought they had captured Ollivander so he could help Voldemort find the Elder Wand.

[@_an_ananya3504]

@Tabea Tamm Oh yeah I think they captured him for both reasons. Thanks for reminding me, I haven't read the books in a while.

[@anaisabelpais7389]

@@tabeatamm3594 They capture Olivander at the beginning of HBP. Probably to make new wands. My guess is that the wands the Death Eaters were using in the Department of Mysteries were second hand, and so not great for them, and so the decision was made to get the new wands made.

[@drogadepc]

@@_an_ananya3504 no, Olivanders didn't make new wands after he was captured. It's not that simple and he would probably need a lot of supplies from his store.

[@squirrelfriend6064]

@@drogadepc I just looked it up, because I wasn't a 100% sure either, but it says: "Ollivander was captured by Lord Voldemort and his Death Eaters and was held prisoner at Malfoy Manor, where he was forced to make a new wand for Peter Pettigrew." So, how could he make a new wand in captivity and how did that wand fit Peter? Did he just recreate Peter's original wand and does it automatically fit the former owner?

[@Lia-ll3ou]

Okay so im so so Late with this, but I was just rewatching the video and I actually think the Locket is so close to you emotionally, by, for the lack of a better description, listening to your heart. You wear it practically right on your chest and that’s how I think it knew what Ron was fearing so much.

[@thJune-ze7dn]

As other people have pointed out, there are problems with Hermione erasing her parents’ memory. 1. Firstly, why isn’t a mind-erasing spell illegal? Think of the damage that could be done with that spell, not to mention the number of criminals you could keep of the streets with it. Azkaban is pretty much pointless when you could make criminals forget who they are. 2. Just because her parents don’t remember who she is anymore doesn’t mean they’re no longer in danger. Hogwarts is bound to have records on them which the Death Eaters would be able to look up easily. 3. All of their friends and relatives are going to come round and say “Hey where’s Hermione gone?” “Who?” “Your teenage daughter? You have a picture of her over th… why do you have a picture of a blank wall?” 4. Now that Hermione has disappeared her parents are going to be involved in a missing persons case. And since her parents conveniently don’t remember who she is anymore they are probably going to be suspected of murder and be facing charges. Congratulations Hermione, you have just given your parents twenty-five years to life imprisonment, I hope you are proud of yourself.

[@fletchersykes1660]

Lol

[@bre7937]

Hermione gave her parents new identities and sent them to Australia. So as far as anyone who knew them knows, the Grangers just picked up and moved without telling anyone, which while it can be considered strange, is not illegal. That also solves the problem of the death eaters looking for them. They're going to be looking for Man, woman, and teen girl with the last name Granger; not a man and woman using whatever identity Hermione came up for them. While it might be a perfect solution, it's better than leaving them in their home where they'll be completely exposed.

[@eliasapollo4131]

She made them want to go to Australia, and gave them new last names I think.

[@starfruit2513]

1. True, good point. 2. Hermione sent them to Australia so they couldn't be tracked down. 3. Any friends and relatives would assume Hermione has just gone back to school (I assume they have been told Hermione attends a boarding school). Though it's true that if they asked her parents about Hermione, they wouldn't know what they were talking about. 4. Same as points 2 and 3, but I don't know anyone who would file a missing person's case.

[@paula2265]

I'm pretty sure that in the books she doesn't erase her parents memories, she modify them to make them believe they are someone else with no teenager daughter (like slughorn modifies his to look appalled when voldy mention horcruxes instead of showing him explaining to voldy what they were) and compelled them to move to Australia but I do agree that memory erasing charms should be regulated especially taking into consideration that in the books that is no cure for a erasing memory charm.

[@conor698]

From what I remember, Bill and Arthur become secret keepers of Shell Cottage and Aunt Muriel's respectively AFTER the events of Malfoy Manor. It's only after they've arrived and Ron's whereabouts revealed to the Death Eaters do the Weasley's go under cover. Shell Cottage is therefore not under the protection of the Fidelius Charm and "broken through" by Dobby.

[@farahdiba6633]

The love spell thing can be sorta explained. In order for for the sacrificial love spell thingy(tm) to work, You MUST have a choice to live but choose to die. Voldy repeatedly asked lily to move(not nicely, duh... but still he did) but she willingly sacrificed herself. I am sure others have sacrificed themselves for someone but they were obviously not given a choice. It's not only about choosing death but choosing it over a chance at staying alive.

[@janini1232]

Farah Diba Right? I think that makes a lot of sense. I guess voldemort doesnt give a lot of people the choice to live, but harry and lily both had it. 👍🏻

[@1stmorgoth289]

@@janini1232 Even then the Question remains: Did this seriously never happend befor? Additionaly Have you ever thought that Voldemort could be lying? And therefor kill them bot regardless. Therefor it would not be a choise anymore. And you have to see it from Lilly´s Point of view at that Point. Let me explain: the Situation: You sit at your *save* home, then suddenly the *"biggest"* massmourdering Wizards of your time bursts into your home kills your Husband without regret and goes straight forward to your child´s Room. He then tells you to get out of the way. I would not know whats wrong with you at that point if the thought that he will actualy let you live would cross your mind. And dont forget *if* he would wanna keep his word to Snape that Lilly should life, why not use imperion or anything else except the one thing you said you would not do?

[@Trainwheel_Time]

Beyond all of that... the whole "Your killer must give you a choice to live or die and only then will the magical planets align and cause a protection against said killer to go into effect" hypothesis is problematic at best. And reaching. So the only person that can cause a protection for others... to go into effect against himself or herself.... is the person doing the killing in the first place. And no one knows about this becuase its "old magic". Whatever that means. Except of course the people who DO know about it. Sorry... its all fairly contrived.

[@mratay4747]

Your voice got me. The theory kept me. The explanation and logic made me a fan!

[@lastjohns9717]

The wand plot is easily explained by saying that Voldermort's followers and Sympathizers work at the ministry so stealing a wand that belongs to a Death-Eaters shouldn't be so difficult. Sirius's wand problem was due to Dumbledore grounding him.

[@xyr3s]

eve if it was so. the problem is that u explained it. not the actual author. when a fan does it, it's called fan fiction : p

[@laurysong131]

Another thing about the love protection charm - Lily's protection only lasted until Harry turned 17. Yet at the Battle of Hogwarts most of the people there fighting were OVER that age, so they shouldn't have been protected.

[@FulcanMal]

Also they weren't related to Harry. The whole thing about having to stay with the Dursley's is because Lilly's protection was tied to them by blood.

[@ooi97]

It only proves how wrong Dumbledore was about the protection. Lily basically made it so that Voldemort could never hurt Harry again. But because Voldemort used his blood to resurrect himself, he became Harry in a sense and got over the protection. I heard somewhere (maybe it's just a theory, idk) that Dumbledore used the protection and blood relation to create a ward over Privet Drive, protecting not only against Voldemort but also his Death Eaters. I don't think it was actually ever explained in the books. We were supposed to make our own guesses.

[@danielebowman]

Lily's protection was broken in book 4. The 17 year thing was just to prevent Voldemort's followers getting to Harry when he's a child. That was a separate spell.

[@sophie-claudecadieux5854]

@@FulcanMal I might be totally wrong but I have a theory to explain this. If I remember correctly, the love protection charms works for everyone. Lily was given the choice to live if her baby died, so Harry got protected. Harry could've avoid Voldy all his life and let the Good Guys of the battle die, but he decided to great Death with open arms to protect them, so they got protected. I think once in the books, Dumbledore tells Harry that he (Dumby) was the one to link Lily's love protection charm to blood, hence the reason it's in Harry, Petunia' and then Voldy's blood. And that spell was only powerful enough to work when he's a kid tied to the Dursley's house.

[@joolaine]

One could argue that the locket symbolizes their hope in defeating Voldemort which is why they have an attachment to it. WIld guess though..

[@rezkel7404]

I don't know if this is the same, but Dobby apparates inside the Hogwarts walls in the second book, despite it being stated that there is an anti apparation charm on Hogwarts in one of the later books(6?). so there is precedent of House Elves not being effected by wizard protections.

[@rezkel7404]

also Dobby breaks into Snape's supply closet in the Fourth book to get Gilly weed, bypassing those protections as well.

[@urty24]

I’m going to offer a defense of two of the bigger problems that you pointed out. This is from my own head-cannon and probably isn’t totally justified by the actual text. 1) Hermione only read that you had to be “close” to a horcrux in order to be affected. Pouring your heart and soul into the horcrux was actually her own commentary and explanation, not something she read directly. I would posit that although Harry and the gang didn’t pour their hearts and souls into the horcrux, they were without question “close” to it. Harry refused to allow anyone to carry it in a bag. He insisted that it always be worn directly on their person. This certainly shows some attachment. Moreover, the horcrux was always around. It was there for their most important and intimate conversations with one another. It isn’t as if this is just some inanimate object that the kids are allowing into their inner circle either. They knew that it contained part of another living being and they still brought it in. This object became the most important thing in their world for several months. 2) Lily and Harry weren’t the first or only people to discover the protection of love. Dumbledore certainly knew about it (he modified it and enhanced it in order to provide Harry protection at the Dursley’s) as did Voldemort (though Voldemort didn’t understand it). They both referred to it as “old magic” at various times. I also like to believe (and this part is wholly unsupported by the text) that Harry actually did do something other than sacrifice himself for others without a struggle in order to activate the protective magic. Dumbledore spent most of his time with Harry trying to teach him the power of one very specific form of mysterious magic that was studied in the Department of Mysteries, love. By the end of book 7 it seems that Harry has finally learned this lesson and that he has obtained a deeper understanding of that branch of magic than any other. I think he may have done something else to activate the spell that JK chose not to show us in order to maintain the surprise of the reveal.

[@dansharp2860]

I don't think there was any time for Harry to have "done something else". I'm fairly certain we can account for every second of Harry's life from the moment he finishes seeing Snape's memories right up till his death. This would also negate the theme that J.K was going for in that ordinary love, even between us muggle readers, is magical.

[@lukeneale9967]

Bill works with gringotts in Egypt and likely experiences the fidelius charm quite often. He is probably one of the wizards who understands it best in the world. I’m guessing the whole “making yourself a secret keeper” thing is much more complex, and likely not even known about by Dumbledore while he was placing the fidelius charm on James and Lily.

[@elrilmoonweaver4723]

The wand thing both cracks me up at how ironical it is and makes me scratch my head. Apparently children who do under-aged magic are threatened with the breaking of their wand or actually HAVE had their wands broken, but MURDERERS just have their wand taken away. That's some disproportionate punishment right there. No! You break the wand of the murderer and take away the child's wand! Not the other way around.

[@oonam3519]

Nicko Mocanu, Hmm, maybe they take the wands as evidence?

[@MDev1997]

The other thing about the emotionally attached to the Horcrux thing that I always think about is: If Harry's been a horcrux this whole time, then wouldn't people who are emotionally attached to him (like Molly, Arthur, Sirius, Remus, Ginny, Hermione and Ron) have the same effect that the diary had on Ginny? I suppose you could argue that it's different because Harry's a person not an object, but I wish that had been followed up on or something

[@highrise7591]

Am i the only one severely put off hearing voldemort with a silent t I know its right but it just hurts hearing it like that

[@EL-ISS]

I've always read it the silent 't' way. I remember being like 12 and my mates were calling me stupid because that wasn't the way it was pronounced. Tried to explain that is was based from French but got razzed anyway. Worst part, years later when it was confirmed to them it was so far in the past that my victory didn't taste sweet ... 😭

[@michaelayen2973]

I really have only just broached looking at reviews or criticism of this series? I really appreciate you taking a sceptical and logical look. I felt like book 6 jumped into the absurd and it never recovered and I have felt like I'm crazy... And to be honest, I feel like you're way, way more generous than I would be about it all holding up. But oh my goodness you have such good points and it is such a relief and a pleasure to watch! Just, clearly an authentic viewpoint and so smart and succinct. Thank you

[@christalbot210]

An interesting detail on the "love protection charm": in book 2 when Riddle asks Harry how he was able to defeat "the Dark Lord", Harry replies that he didn't know, but his mother sacrificed herself for him. At that point, Riddle understands calling it, "Ancient Magic" (I don't recall if he specifically says that here or in the cemetery in book 4, but his younger self DID understand once Harry told him what his mother did). This suggests such a thing is know, just not very common (and, indeed, very old). Also, I had originally thought that Lilly had thrown herself in front of the blast, but have since found out that she was killed outright (after he told her she didn't have to die), and THEN tried to kill Harry. BTW, did anybody else notice that horcruxes were destroyed in the same order they were created? I'm not 100% on that, but I'm at least 80%. Finally, I find it interesting that Voldy never figured out that Harry was a horcruxe, even though it would seem quite obvious. Indeed, I doubt he would have tried to kill Harry if he'd known (though he might have had somebody else do so). I suspect this might have been due to a lack of intent to create one, though it has recently occurred to me that maybe he did. Perhaps he had planned on using Lilly as a horcruxe as his first "live person" test (Nagini being the actual test). However, when he was "forced" to kill her, that part wasn't going to take place...except, of course, it did. Just a musing.

[@jeom3808]

4:30 Another comment already mentioned it, but the locket affecting them could be seen as them being attached to it due to them obsessing over the destruction of it and it’s responsibility(kinda like The One Ring, pretty much a stark parrarle almost), them taking some weight off by touching/wearing it can be interpreted as them passing on their obsessiveness/worry over having such huge responsibility and there for not being attached to it. That being said, it’s cool you bring it up because up until now i didn’t see it like that and did think it was just a specific “touch” trait it had, but thinking about it and coming up with this answer makes it even more cool and interesting.

[@hannahmcdermott6874]

I have ALWAYS wondered why the protective magic Lily's sacrifice gave to Harry had not been discovered before. Like has no other wizard in history sacrificed themself for a loved one!?

[@FoolishPrince]

Ding Ding, EXACTLY! The whole concept is severely flawed

[@Kip_Novak]

Where does it says it has never been discovered? In the books, both Dumbledore and Voldemort refer to it as an Ancient Magic. Voldemort goes so far to say that he should've anticipated and avoided the sacrificial protection of Harry in Book 4, but lacked the foresight.

[@hannahmcdermott6874]

@@Kip_Novak it's been a while since I read them so must have missed that! Let me rephrase, I'm shocked that in modern wizarding times (particularly during the rise of Grindelwald) that this piece of magic was not more common

[@Kip_Novak]

@@hannahmcdermott6874 Well, I think the extent to which the person making the sacrifice loves the person(s) they're doing it for is also a factor. Dumbledore emphasizes the depth of Lily's love in the first HP book. So it's possible that the effect is less pronounced if the relationship is not as strong as it was between Harry and his mum. Harry's sacrifice was less powerful because Voldemort was still able to do Crucio on Neville, the spell just didn't hold. The curse didn't rebound and hurt him like the killing curse had with the protection on infant HP. The fact that HP had to point this protection out to Voldemort (and also the reader) shows that the protection is not always obvious.

[@Kip_Novak]

@@hannahmcdermott6874 Also I'm not familiar with the new movies. I've only seen FB twice and I haven't seen Crimes of Grindy, so maybe this is a bigger plot hole than I realize

[@arareanddifferenttune3130]

“Hermione was able to accio some Horcrux books to her” -the most Harry Potter sentence ever 😂

[@kendrawoodfolk-anthony6351]

Bill didn’t put the Fidelius (sp) charm on shell cottage until after everyone was there.

[@jamesbarbour4341]

I’ve always thought that the magic of Harry protecting all of those people was only because his mother had done it for him and possibly because he’s the chosen one. But mainly I think it’s kind of the world being righted by Harry sacrificing himself just like his parents did for him.

[@Ekigane]

So I don't remember the scene in the book, but I kinda assume they kept stealing new food because replenishing the food with magic doesn't prevent the food from going bad. But at same time, I agree with you, cause I think a reasonable person would assume wizards and witches would've figured out how to preserve food with magic by the 1990s.

[@Terriblegam2r]

Lily did willingly sacrifice herself to protect Harry. Voldemort kept asking her to step aside (out of at least /some/ respect for Snape) so he could kill Harry but Lily refused to move, thus her choosing to die to save her son. I always thought that what happened with Lily was unique and that’s why Harry became so famous in the wizarding world because I’m sure plenty of mothers before her willingly sacrificed themselves for their children but the killing curse never rebounded until what happened with Lily. That’s why Harry’s called “the boy who lived”, because he was the very first person to live after someone sacrificed their life for someone else.

[@jawstrock2215]

Other then Harry, I don't think Voldy was into killing random children much, whole family maybe, but not kids specifically XD.

[@Terriblegam2r]

@@jawstrock2215 he killed a random child dressed up in a Halloween costume right before he killed James and Lily

[@jawstrock2215]

@@Terriblegam2r hmm I thought for sure he thought it but did not because it was so "Unnecessary"

[@Terriblegam2r]

Jaws Trock yes he did find it “unnecessary”, but he still killed the kid. it says it in the book “the kid would never make it to his mother” after Voldemort flicked his wand

[@spikey0034]

@@Terriblegam2r No, it said that IF he flicked his wand, the kid would never make it back to his mother. But the kid doesn't get killed. Jaws Trock is right. This isn't even something to be debated upon, it's written in black & white

[@alvaroballon7133]

I always thought of Lily and James’ Fidelius charm being cast on themselves, not on the house, as an extra security. The house most likely already had one cast on it).If you are your own secret guardian, then no one would be able to see you again.

[@drogadepc]

I don't think a person can be the secret to be kept, only the location.

[@Kip_Novak]

@@drogadepc Well, on Pottermore they have an article on it that explains that a secret keeper can be used to hide anything--either information or a physical object (including a person). I always wondered why Voldemort didn't have Secret keepers for his Horcruxes. It would've made finding them next to impossible.

[@solidsteelcobra]

Sam Clayton Because he’d then have trust someone other than himself, and that is something he could never do.

[@camilorollie9844]

In one of the earlier books they mention a cooking sauce pouring out of Mrs. Weasley's wand. It's not clear to me if she's just creating the sauce out of thin air or if she's pulling it from somewhere else

[@TransV1000]

Exactly! I've always wondered why James didn't Fidelius himself so he could never be found. Even if you need someone else to be your Secret Keeper, you can still do like a closed loop where James made Sirius his Secret Keeper, and then Sirius can make James his Secret Keeper which means neither of them can ever be found

[@otherGuise]

Your speaking cadence reminds me so much of one of my child hood friends. She would give impassioned book reviews in class and it takes me back! Thanks for this whole Doesn't Make Sense series!

[@lichlance518]

"how is every wizard so dumb?" Well, they only finished lower school and some dumb stuff about spells, plants and potions etc. You have no art, english, french, history, geography, people studies, economy, etc. you get the point

[@reubenoakley8967]

This is the first time I've come across your channel, but your nitpicking was enjoyable. Subbed!

[@lilyyuan8901]

I feel in this series a lot of things “happen “ just to make the story long. A lot of unnecessary problems. (It fun to read, but there is simpler ways of doing things. They often make the worst choices possible.)

[@RiseeRee]

As far as the imperious curse, fake Moody showed it to the students and taught them the incantation in Goblet of Fire, so presumably he saw the wand movements, etc as well. And then Harry tried the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in Order of the Phoenix. It hurt her a little bit, but it didn’t quite work. Bellatrix told him that you have to really MEAN Unforgivable Curses in order to use them. So I think it made sense for Harry to successfully use the imperious curse.

[@itsjoseyrae]

Going off of your point about Shell Cottage and the fidelius charm, how Ron shouldn’t have been able to tell Dobby where it was unless House Elf magic is superior to wizard magic. When the death eater grabs hold of Hermione and they apparate to the steps of Grimauld Place, why does she now think that Death Eater can go tell everyone else where it is? SHE’S a secret keeper, so she can show/tell other people where it is, but they can’t tell anyone else because they’re not the secret keeper. Wasn’t this the thing that protected Snape from telling Voldemort where Grimauld Place was? So it shouldn’t have mattered that one Death Eater knew where it was, they could have just Obliviated him and continued using Grimauld Place.

[@thorna100]

I k ow this isn't really what the text says but I've always though of it as being able to pass on. So if know the secret because you've been told, you are able to pass it along to others. That would be why others no James and lillys location. Unfortunately it both works like that in the book and doesn't, because Snape is unable to reveal the location of grimauld place. It really doesn't make any sense haha. It's a great idea but used to flippintly in the world to make any sense at all.

[@takix2007]

@@thorna100 remember... Snape is the good guy and a skilled Occlumens with some time undercover, so he might have pretended not to be able to reveal the adress (when Dumby died -spoiler 😜-, all the other Secret-informed became Secret Keepers, as said in book 7 on why they are not going to 12 Grimmauld Square). Don't have the book at hand, though, but I could bet that when we read about Snape being unable to tell the Secret, it is either in book 6 when Dumby is not dead or in 7 when we think he's a baddy (I never thought that, he was my fav character from his first appearance in the books). At that time it is implied that he cannot reveal it due to some tongue-binding curse set by someone (Kingsley maybe?), and we are prone to believe it as an uninformed reader.

[@itsjoseyrae]

takix2007 yeah I’m talking about him saying to Voldy that he couldn’t tell him where it was because he was not secret keeper before Dumbles dies, this is in book 6 when he is saying to Bellatrix that this information was enough for Voldy so it should be enough for her. My original point was that being told by the secret keeper about a secret does not make you a secret keeper, and you cannot then tell other people the secret. This is covered in the books by the fact that Moody has to give Harry the hand written paper from Dumbledore that says 12 Grimauld Place, of course Moody already knew about it at that point but still couldn’t tell others, Dumbledore had to. So while Hermione is a secret keeper, showing the death eater the place doesn’t make that death eater secret keeper, it makes him just like Moody was, able to see and access the place but not tell anyone else. I don’t know whether Hermione panicking is a plot hole from JK or just Hermione getting it wrong because she doesn’t fully understand, but she spends so long explaining why they couldn’t go back to Ron and Harry that I feel like it’s more of a plot hole, and that if it was Hermione that got it wrong and they could have just gone back, then perhaps that should have been mentioned somewhere.

[@kylepask4989]

9:44 no, it's explained that house elves can apperate (not sure on spelling) place wizards can't because their magic is different. It would just require a different spell to stop them but because they are essentially slaves that can't go against orders as it's magically enforced no one bothers/thinks to protect against it. Also, by restricting their use of magic they become less efficient at their job so moat people who own them wouldn't want them unable to apperate everywhere. 15:10 it's not that Lily sacrifices herself for Harry, it's that she was given the option to live knowing she could not survive if she didn't step aside. THAT is what sets off the protective charm.

[@TheDanCh]

1)The point is that Ron can't tell anyone else where the cottage is because he is not the secret keeper. So it doesn't matter if a house elf may or may not be able to apparate there. 2)Harry was not given a choice to live. He was given option A)Stay and fight and everyone you love dies and B)Come to the forest and die and save your buddies. In both options he dies...

[@ashleybookluver7184]

It's been a long time since I've read the books, but didn't Barty Crouch Jr teach the kids about the Imperius curse when he was impersonating Moody?

[@BlackSouLII]

The imperious thing is not about he had defence or something, the death eaters took a month maybe because the guy they tried to imperious was surrounded to many other mages or mental strength. Also remember Harry knows about the imperious because he was "trained" by Fake mad eye in book 4, and also resisted the imperious from Voldemort at the end of the book 4. Harry saying they were protected because the sacrifice of his mother means thanks to the sacrifice of his mother he was alive and he could save them, because he saved them by creating shield charms here and there, if he didn't use any charms for protect them, they would just died.

[@chadyfrs93]

regarding the imperious curse on the minister, i always thought that it was difficult because he couldn't get him alone or something, silly me

[@jawstrock2215]

Yeah or do it without making it obvious(like beating him up or something).

[@GLASBE]

I also remember Voldemort conjuring roses in one of the memories, but you can make jam from roses.

[@obluraschibus]

It happens when the writer makes up the law of the world as she goes on. You're bound to find inaccuracies and plotholes

[@ryadinstormblessed8308]

5:00 another problem with that topic of how horcruxes work is that Harry himself was a horcrux -- which is why he was able to speak parseltoungue -- and yet that didn't apparently affect those who were emotionally close to him.

[@overrated727]

Ron learns how to speak parseltongue by listening to Harry talk in his sleep. In fact, he becomes so proficient at it that he is able to open the Chamber of Secrets during the Battle of Hogwarts when Harry sends him off to fetch a basilisk fang. I've always been sure this is a case where Rowling just forgot. The way it's set up and explained in the text, Harry sends Ron off, completely forgets about the whole parseltongue password thing, and afterwords there's a line of dialog with this "explanation." I'm sure some editor remembered, and rather than rewrite the whole Battle sequence, they decided to just be lazy and toss in those lines.

[@RJMiller73]

That’s only in movies. In book, Ron says he remembered how to say ‘open’ from when Harry opened the locket, which makes more sense.

[@MonoKabi]

17:30 And (in the movies, since I don't recall if the exact same passage exists in the book) Voldie points out that it was old magic, a type of blood magic, and that he was slightly ashamed that he did not think of it as a possibility. But again, it relates to love and sacrifice for another, two things that don't really enter into Volidie's math. He keeps getting screwed over by other people's willingness to do things he would never consider.

[@manzell]

The Wizards have just as many prejudices and blind spots as the muggles do.

[@alejandroelcid]

I have a theory on the magic of House Elves (R.I.P Dobby, the one moment made me cry out of nowhere on my first read). Their magic seems primitive in nature, loyalty. Apparently, they are not powerful themselves but rather gain power through the bond with their masters. Due to past mistreatment it does not surprise me at all that no one has made note of this.

[@zipgow]

For me the biggest plothole is how Ron is the one to leave after exposure to the horcrux. He was always the Hufflepuff of the group, the least likely to turn evil. It just seemed that by the end of the series, Rowling liked the character less and less.

[@dstreet4599]

He was the most insecure of the trio, which meant the locket had more weaknesses to attack and he was still recovering from having half his arm splinched off (and losing a lot of blood as a result) a few days earlier. He wasn't at his best at the time.

[@philipcassel2149]

Okay 7 Harrys? But why don’t they just let Harry go with like Arthur and switch with him, so they think Harry is one of the Harrys, but actually harry is Arthur

[@trinityfranklin8356]

I hear a lot of people saying that Lily & Harry died willingly while being given the chance to live and I agree with that. But here's an alternative. You said "if there was something special about Lily" but then Harry does it too. That doesn't sound like a problem. Lily is Harry' mother and if it was some special magic only she could perform it's possible she could pass it down to her son. A popular revolving MuggleBorns is that they are descended from Squibs, so what if this "special power" was a power a single wizarding bloodline had? The power to protect loved ones from killing curses by shielding them with your body. Then Harry would have it too and it would be unknown or mystical because the power died out with Lily's squib relative who died centuries ago.

[@Tomgd420]

Trinity Franklin Simpler explanation. Being ready and Willingly dying is Unnatural most cannot say 1000% sure they would die for someone. Most will have hope and likely not even think their child a target. Lily knew the target and the chances there was no hope. Harry knew he was a Horcrux and while he lived nobody was safe. There was no choice in that his hope was in death some would live.

[@MailyCovenette]

At 9:40 the issue with the secret keeper was they didn't put up the charm on shell cottage or the burrow until harry and the gang came there. That's why they couldn't go to work anymore.

[@jawstrock2215]

As for the protection from love, yes it has happened countless times. But usually it would be 1 person protecting 1 other person, from 1 third person. So not so far reaching. Voldy is different, he mass murders, mostly unwilling people. Both Voldy and Dumbledore mentions it's OLD magic, as in that it has always existed. It just never manifested itself for countering someone so universally feared(Voldy) or to protect so many people at once(Everyone from Voldy). How often in history do you think people had a chance to really do this sacrifice(as they do need to die for it), to protect someone or against someone so important that the whole wizarding world would know about it. I don't think that often. It is known, but it is obscure and not the kind of thing people would want to do for real(As in, you don't go out of your way to get yourself killed to protect others from a single person, the one who killed you :/)

[@omelette7216]

But isnt it mentioned multiple times that Harry is the only person in history to have survived the killing curse?

[@darhaha3391]

I remember there being a line in the book saying that replenishing food just increases the volume but not it's nutritional value. If you one portion but increase it into 10 portions. Its only 10 times the volume, it's not 10 portions equally as good as the initial portion

[@mischalover]

Bill and Fluer didn't go into hiding until after Harry and Co. escaped from Malfoy Manor.

[@lionproud1287]

but Ron says Bill is secret keeper before they hide there,

[@freddiemay2742]

Anybody else really upset that these are over? Ever since the first one was posted I got so excited and couldn't wait for the next one...

[@DannyTheManInBlack]

Surely when James Potter went to head off Voldermorte in order to buy Lilly some time to 'take Harry and run'. James' sacrifice should of protected Lilly before Lilly's protected Harry. Meaning Harry would of least had a mother

[@lionproud1287]

yes but James wasn't given the option to live. That wasn't a sacrifice, James knew he couldn't run away from it so he thought about it logically and did what he could to help Lily.

[@oldmanlogan9616]

LionProud that is some bs

[@peaceblossom8]

@@oldmanlogan9616 yeah, but it's the explanation that's given in the books. Voldemort always had the intention of killing James, so James heroically throwing himself in front of Lily, wouldn't have changed anything because he would've died anyway. With Lily, Voldemort wasn't intending to kill her because Snape asked him to spare her life and he agreed, so he offered her to step aside, but she refused the chance to live and that was the "sacrifice" part. I personally don't think it makes a great deal of sense either, especially I REALLY don't understand why on earth Voldemort would be like "sure Snape, I'll spare your bird's life even though she was a resistance fighter, I'm sure you'll convert her to our side and she won't cause any future problems" :D Based on the sadistic and manipulative way Voldemort is made out to be in the rest of the series, I would've expected him to go "Oh you like Lily Potter? Well, here's your choice then: Either you go and kill her, or I kill you here and now." That seems more in line with the kind of unquestioning loyalty he expected from his servants and more realistic for his kind of personality. But I suppose Rowling thought it was too dark for a kid's book... which is somewhat of a fair point, I guess. :D

[@MonographicSingleheaded]

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[@gahlwynfjorn3961]

For the love protection thing to happen the person who sacrificed themself had to be given a choice. Voldemort gave Lily a choice of living or dying and she chose to die, exact same with Harry

[@jameslyon2338]

seems odd that something as rare as Priori Incantatem is well documented but this form of sacrifice love isn't. but they still seem to know the rules of it ie living with blood relatives etc but they never actually name it or discuss it properly. strange.

[@jacobstallard2678]

Sounds like someone was working their way to structuring a hard magic system and got lazy or whimsical.

[@olinperkins981]

This is a great series, and I really enjoyed your videos in your trip through the HP books. Thanks for the fun content!

[@emilymciver]

The killing curse is pretty rare, like it's an extremely difficult spell and highly illegal. Also knowing you're going to be murdered by it is even rarer, most people are just going to get it out of nowhere (Voldemort wouldn't have announced to Tom Riddle sr, I am going to kill you now, he just did it). On top of that, being spared by it would've been even rarer then that, James didn't count to the protect magic because Voldemort would have killed him anyway, but he genuinely would've killed him anyway, but he would've really spared Lily. And when we think magic is linked to thoughts and feelings, if someone jumped in front of the spell but the person casting it is like "whatever, I would've killed them next" then it wouldn't have counted. I can see how Harry and Lily was genuinely rare occasion that would not happen often at all, if ever.

[@ooi97]

It also shows how hypocritical Voldemort was about his ideology. He killed a pureblood, the last pureblood from a very old family, without a second thought. And the he spared a Mudblood, just because his Halfblood slave asked him to do so.

[@magicalpj]

The only problem with this idea is that at the end of the series when Voldemort "killed" Harry, the same kind of magic protected all of his friends and classmates at Hogwarts, because Harry "died" for them in an act of love. Ain't no way Voldy was going to spare Harry.

[@emilymciver]

@@magicalpj True, but Harry already had a special magical protection which was then shared, if he never had the protection in the first place then his sacrifice might not have worked

[@magicalpj]

@@emilymciver That . . . is a good point lol. I hadn't considered that.

[@leann4121]

8:10 I think maybe when you replenish food, it still decays at the same rate. So you wouldn’t want to eat an egg that’s been sitting out for 24 hours. If you just “increased” eggs from an egg you had for 24 hours, the new eggs are still 24 hours old

[@Odinger67]

Merphy: Essentially, what you're telling me, is that James valued his declaration of friendship over the safety of his wife and child. Me: Ah yes what we have here is a classic case of "Parents of the chosen one" - parents of the chosen one, you are doomed either from the stupidity that your chosen one offspring WILL inherent or because you are probably for some inexpiable reason on the antagonists side.

[@erikfischer7914]

You know: when harry has his moment in the great hall, when he talks to voldemord, he just bluff. Like if he has a bed poker hand. Right before he walks the great hall, and protecs evearybody by his protection spell, whill under his invincebell cloath

[@ArtyGeek]

I hope you've started read Percy Jackson.

[@aried8306]

She said she starts at the end of March

[@TitoTimTravels]

Personally I could not get through the series. I can accept a lot, but trying to say the Greek gods are real and current was not done well. One thing JK did well was merge the magic & muggle worlds. There is a mortal girl (in St Louis?) that could see 'through the mist', and see the monsters & Percy for what they were. I think if they used a character like that and told the stories through her eyes, it might have been easier to connect. Maybe? As it was... I gave up in book 3. I just could not buy into the premise.

[@kendrajade6688]

@Florys the Fox So only the entire series and that is it.

[@DarkLordGanondorf190]

I think it was alluded to at some point in the book that increasing the quantity of food comes at the cost of the quality. I can imagine it works a bit like stretching the matter you have out to last you longer, but it just wears thin, either literally or metaphorically as in deplenishing nutrients.

[@ladylizcreates7719]

I always took Harry doing the imperius curse, as the horcrux part of him, being good at doing those kinds of spells.

[@stephenking1375]

Didn't moody/barty teach the students the curses.

[@blackedmirror5073]

I love your passion! Great stuff. Subscribed!

[@algorithmhelper262]

I love these. I agree that being critical is a good way of showing appreciation- otherwise, why bother?

[@mistresskabuki]

Thank you so much! These (and do much more) are things that bothered me when I first read the book, but people were so rabidly happy about how the series went that I just didn’t say anything.