Will the 2030 ban & dash to electric cars spell the end for classics in UK?

With the impending ban on new petrol (and diesel) car sales in 2030 spell the end for classic cars in the UK? Plus I take a look into how the carbon footprint of buying a new electric car in the UK every three years.
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[@ian7675]

Imagine a world where people focused on repair instead of replace...

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Here here.

[@dazz400]

Well said

[@hayleyalesbrook192]

Yes

[@davonpointer2310]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@cbrboy76]

We used to, remember tv repair shops etc, the bloke in the boiler suit who lived down your street who kept his car going forever and helped fix everyone elses. All long gone because of the 'i want it now' generation.

[@emilkozak4012]

If classics get banned i'm afraid i'm gonna be a career criminal.

[@skylined5534]

@@morganwilliams2863 It'll also be impractical to own one as ANPR will make sure there will be scant places you can actually drive them.

[@hilkovanwalraven3111]

better be faster then that police tesla

[@skylined5534]

@@hilkovanwalraven3111 Just go where there are lots of corners, the police Tesla will soon be in a ditch.

[@itisjustacomment]

Fuel will still be made for most of the world like Russia, America, Pakistan, Iran, India ie most of the world so it will not be green by 2031. Plus the only way to cut down the carbon footprint of car users it to get people to buy second-hand cars as the environmental impact of building a new car is massive more so electric cars with the heavy metals in the battery. You can run 5 old cars into the ground for the impact a new tesla makes on the world plus Tesla force you to buy new which defeats the object even more as they cut fast charging and many opinions on second-hand cars. Its all bull.....and people believe they are doing good by buying one lol fools.

[@itisjustacomment]

@@TheTazzietiger when that happens the price of electric will sky rocket.

[@simonmartin4599]

A visit to Cuba shows how long a car can really last.

[@pf7086]

And as a result air pollution is really bad in Havana!

[@umax66]

@@pf7086 ​ Where did you get that information from, do you live there? I just checked the AQI(12/2021) and it looks pretty good. Edited: added date.

[@martingetliffe]

It’s going to be ace. I’ll be like Mad Max holding onto my RS6 with its petrol V8 Twin Turbo, riding around with my Crossbow looking for petrol......

[@markbowden7238]

See ya on tha road, skag

[@markgough6773]

You won’t get far mine only did 17mpg in a good day down hill in neutral being towed by another car!!!

[@martingetliffe]

@@markbowden7238 Bring it. Ha

[@martingetliffe]

@Muckin 4on 🤣🤣🤣🤣 love it.

[@martingetliffe]

@@markgough6773 sounds about right. Most thirsty car I've had though.....Jag XF-R. Mental. The Torque though......

[@richardparker3876]

That was an absolute masterclass in the art of coherent, logical and analytical articulation of a very complex and often very emotive subject! Demonstrates that, sometimes, it pay to just stand back and look at the bigger picture. Thank You Harry - your videos never fail.

[@Panpan1568]

Couldn't have put better myself!

[@clonmore819]

What a load of tosh. He doesn't know any more than any one else on the subject. He just has access to information we all can source with a little effort.

[@georgebeaton4544]

I’m never giving up my v12 xj-s.......I live in the highlands so it’s whiskey power for me 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Auraxium]

Feels great to see how low the CO2 figures are up north, guilt free cups of tea 😁

[@chrisfindlay6163]

You live in the Highlands but spell ‘whisky’ incorrectly? 🤔😂

[@DavidDavid-kl4ru]

Spelling is less important after a few drams

[@xpusostomos]

Love the idea of the V12 xjs.. a bit scared to maintain it.

[@fbs013]

Might just be a fan of the Irish

[@andrewallen9993]

Fortunately my Mercedes w110 200d will run on paraffin, heating oil, cooking oil or most useful of all fat rendered from dead politicians!

[@kevinford6420]

😂😂😂😂👍

[@leegould5306]

Diane Abbott could take you to the moon and back!

[@andrewallen9993]

@@leegould5306 Shame on you for shooting a sitting (fat and arithmetically challenged) duck 😈

[@winstonpoole9906]

If only...

[@frenchenstein]

Great word: "rendered"

[@cdb5001]

In 10 seconds, this man explained how write-offs work better than any of my friends. People seem to think "write-off" means "free".

[@deepindercheema4917]

can you state the time code where these 10 seconds occur eg: 7:00

[@carsonyoder6294]

Deepinder Cheema I believe they were using sarcasm.

[@cdb5001]

@@carsonyoder6294 no not at all. He explains it briefly but fairly accurately.

[@66Pipes66]

@@deepindercheema4917 7.25

[@LurgsHowToGuides]

Government have to raise cash so watch the tax on electricity go through the roof!

[@stephenbedworth3404]

Lurgs How To Guides it will probably be toll roads

[@mazdamaniac4643]

It's not just that, the UK's National Grid quickly won't be able to cope with everybody plugging their cars in overnight. We do not have the surplus power stations to cope. Imagine going to bed with your car plugged in for a recharge, only to find out in the morning as you head off to work that the battery is flat because your area had a blackout in the middle of the night. You'd be lucky to be able to ring in work to explain why you can't come in, because your mobile phone is also dead. The costs from that rack up. This'll be a recurring theme until the National Grid is up to capacity, but even then running power stations flat-out everyday is a recipe for disaster as they break down from overuse. At least it'll be a pretty sight at night, watching the nearly century-old overhead power lines softly glow red until the next blackout. Global warming here we come.

[@garethneal82]

@@mazdamaniac4643 yet somehow it copes with industry and domestic requirements during the day. Also, you are assuming they will all be charged every night. There are better arguments than that.

[@mazdamaniac4643]

@@garethneal82 You're kind of assuming that they won't be, so why won't people leave their cars plugged in overnight? I'll tell you why, because it's the same reason people leave their phones charging overnight, it's convenient. The domestic load on the Grid isn't that high during the day, because ordinarily most people are at work. A lot of the load occurs the moment people come home and switch the kettle and tv/computer on, where power stations standing by kick in and power up purely for that reason. It tapers off until people start switching their ovens on for cooking dinner, then winds back down into the evening. This happens every single day. Obviously because of lockdown, that pattern has evened out quite a bit, but many high-load industries operate 24 hours a day so that is only a constant predictable drain. In the future, throwing millions of people plugging their cars into the equation, drawing gigawatts of power through local substations, then you have a very serious problem that people seem to assume is perfectly fine. It's all fine until people start having blackouts as the Grid disables parts of itself to preserve others. Yes it does this, it's happened on occasion already in the past. Back in the 1980's, the government foresaw this problem to a degree and built power stations like Dinorwig that can online themselves in seconds to deal with sudden high loads on the Grid, such as millions of people switching on the kettle at around 4pm. I've toured Dinorwig years ago, it's incredible, but it's nearly 40 years old now and can only run for 6 hours max before having to pump it's water back into it's reservoir. Think about that. We aren't in a massive hurry to upgrade the Grid to handle these predicted loads because there is little if any budget for it, we have one or two power stations under construction, that's it. I can't see it being good enough and coming from an ex-electrician that might mean something. I'll stick to petrol thanks.

[@fhwolthuis]

You can bet that taxes on electricity will rise hugely when nobody buys petrol anymore!

[@ascott2264]

how is this country going to find enough electricity to charge all the cars every night..??

[@fhwolthuis]

@@ascott2264 Nuclear power 😭😂

[@andreweasson5262]

i was thinking the same thing about taxes

[@ericpisch2732]

It won’t, electricity tax impacts people in fuel poverty, road pricing and the hardware is part of the EU road map for all new cars, phase 2 starts 2022 with the inbuilt gps and data hardware currently being used to auto report your location in an accident being used to auto limit new cars to the speed limi5

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

@@ascott2264 You won't charge your car every night. It's not like a mobile phone.

[@anth5122]

It’s all part of a plan to change from car ownership to car usership

[@mickdillon1964]

Having us hooked up to the grid with some 'online' 'smart' electric vehicles. It's horrible. I hate the way the world is headed...

[@dragosxtc1901]

We got more pressing issues to deal with today, apparently not alot of us will be alive in 2030.

[@davidwass9996]

Yes and very easy to control where and when an EV is used.

[@LaurieWilliams-lk8fc]

@@mickdillon1964 Yes - like the monitoring that is easily done via remote read electricity meters.

[@ChrisBassTXP]

Exactly that!

[@erikgranqvist3680]

1 problem all over the world, with the speed of the shift to electric: lots of people simply cannot finance an electric car today.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

That's not necessary because it takes another 10 years.

[@erikgranqvist3680]

@@Simon-dm8zv that is kind of my point: everybody agrees that fossil fuel need to go from everyday driving. And it will take a very long time to do that shift due to economics. Even though ev's are increasing the market shares exponentially all over the world, in most cases it is from very low levels. And much of that is due to costs, partnered with a slow start from the car industry.

[@generalmassive1907]

The man who dies with the most carburettors wins 😊

[@generalmassive1907]

This is the insensitive to get my mk2 escort finished, carnt wait to here those 45 dcoe's 😁

[@peterbennett6022]

Love it 👍

[@AsinineComment]

It seems that a whole lot of people think that it means no I.C.E. powered vehicles will be allowed on U.K. roads at all. 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

[@joelness]

@Do One Ok, FUNCTIONAL rotaries count double. Can't count the pile that are sitting in the shed after the seals blew.

[@s.kxx1956]

The one with the most hand cranked engine cars wins !

[@mandeepreehal8460]

these rules are bonkers, second hand market gonna inflate like mad time to invest and keep the V8's, V12's etc

[@Ovenman940]

Nobody was going to make any new V12s, rules or not.

[@OsellaSquadraCorse]

@Mickey Mouse Yup, they will shut & most of the staff made unemployed, unless they can survive on Asian/American sales only.

[@carsonyoder6294]

Mickey Mouse What do you mean by, "heading into the 3rd world"?

[@carsonyoder6294]

Mickey Mouse ok let's revisit this at the end of 2021. Heading into the 3rd world though?, I think that is quite excessive.

[@carsonyoder6294]

@Mickey Mouse I see what you are saying, but I still have hope for this country and will definitely fight for it. Thanks for clarifying your point anyway, have a great new years.

[@PazLeBon]

nightmare and such a con. i own a 35 year old vw van, a 20 year old e46 2..8, a 20 year old mx5 and a 15 year old yamaha dtr. never felt the need to upgrade yet :)

[@andrewspence3171]

My MX5 is 21, I think it will last another 20 years.

[@PazLeBon]

@@andrewspence3171 mines b'day this year ::D 75K miles, just changing the CAT on it, the first thing thats failing in al these years

[@abovethelaw4417]

Those cars are slow shitboxes with no safety

[@Brian-om2hh]

But you might once emissions charging schemes come along........

[@PazLeBon]

@@abovethelaw4417 theyre lightweight sports cars , not made to do the school run

[@barriewilliams4526]

The poor secondhand ic car owner is now subsidising the rich new electric car owner🤔

[@thebigpicture2032]

The poor have always subsidized the rich.

[@DavidJames-op3kg]

so true

[@mazdamaniac4643]

Truth.

[@MrAdopado]

@@mazdamaniac4643 The poor are primarily subsidising the mega rich global oil companies!

[@Brian-om2hh]

And the taxpayer has been subsidising the oil industry to the tune of billions of pounds every year for decades. Even those whom don't own a car. Why didn't you mention this?

[@Lookup2Wakeup]

Electric cars will not be cheap to run in the future, the tax man will see to that........☹️

[@LOTPOR0402]

And watch the electric companies put the price of electric up as depmand out strips supply

[@oreally8605]

You can bet on that man. That's why people are moving to the states.

[@ericpisch2732]

They will always be cheaper than ICE cars which will get double taxed

[@thebigpicture2032]

Sheldon Harris California has banned new ICE by 2035.

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

@@oreally8605 eh?

[@-DC-]

You are working on the assumption Government uses Logic and Facts to make policy and thinks long-term, prepare to be absolutely shafted.

[@mickdillon1964]

It's a dictatorship. They have no right.

[@mickdillon1964]

Yeah? Okay, you elect whoever you want, but electric cars are still going mandatory some day - no matter who you vote for. Globalist environmentalist agenda always moving forward - whoever's in power...

[@jeffwolfe4058]

All you Europeans keep voting in leftist communist and now you're screwed.

[@andyvettel4375]

@@mickdillon1964 ah yes an American,we have all the rights we need ,we elect people that actually worry about us rather than bit*ch about rights

[@andyvettel4375]

@@jeffwolfe4058 no need to sprew american bs propaganda, all the right wingers know is sprew bs and overhype a issue to come in power then dismantle democracy,look how Boris has screwed us over brexit,now he's saying it isn't his fault that brexit is failing,people hate him

[@davidbaker8483]

They will probably ban bicycles soon as they don't want people going anywhere without permission

[@DrRogB]

Good summary Harry. The Mrs & I are running ageing cars, in part to avoid the footprint of their electric replacements. This is good encouragement.

[@dontonnoconfagioli]

@DrRogB Absolutely. A lot of the arguments surrounding electric car use seem to be dripping in snake oil. The massive use of resources to produce them, the extractive industries that mine the battery components (toxic metals, rare earths), with their legions of child labour, the power they draw to charge the battery (another industry laden with bollocks - see the film ‘Planet of the Humans’ for more)... it all seems to add up to the biggest racket since, well, the clusterfeck that was diesel motoring. Our wheezing children won’t be thanking us for _that_ con. As with diesel, this looks and smells like another gambit to drive the car industry through another couple of decades before a new wheeze is hatched that forces us to ditch the batteries for some newer technology. It is for precisely the reasons above that I very deliberately replaced my ageing car with another ageing car. It’s 13 years old. It drives like a dream. Lift the bonnet and find a thing of beauty, an engineering tour de force that celebrates innovation, design and more than a century of constant improvement. I plan to hang on to it as long as possible. All I need to remind me of the sense behind that motivation, is the whine of the starter (big engine...) and the roar as the engine takes over. I find electric cars utterly sterile, bland and boring. I’d prefer to drive something organic and analogue. I’d agree with the other comments here. The carrots on offer to drive take-up of e-cars will swiftly be replaced by a giant taxation stick once enough people switch. Given that around 65% of the cost at the petrol pump is tax, it’s foolish to imagine the current situation for battery cars prevailing for much longer.

[@cornovii3012]

It's a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars, you can still own and drive them after 2030.

[@LOTPOR0402]

If you can afford the price of the fuel , watch it go sky high

[@thebigpicture2032]

I’ll distill my own fuel if it comes to that.

[@josephhenry2925]

@@thebigpicture2032 teach me

[@cornovii3012]

@@thebigpicture2032 i'll run on nail polish remover or vodka if i have to :D

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

Might be the other way. As demand drops countries may increase supply.

[@royd72]

It’s all very depressing, be better off living in Amsterdam and riding around on a bike stoned

Sounds excellent!

[@taw6528]

You are sol post Brexit

[@jimsgarage3311]

Init lol

[@jimsgarage3311]

Careful not to bin it into one of the canals

[@Gman-nb9ge]

Ha

[@d.serrador9277]

Great insights as always, thanks Sir Impact of changing cars every 3 years (car sharing companies maybe more often) is madness!

[@willowcat1]

Brilliant, concise video cutting through a great deal of the TV, radio & print media content on this thorny subject. Worthy of mainline exposure.

[@johnsmith1474]

28:07 Harry can't help but sneak in the Patek Philippe for a close up. Nice.

[@carbonicoyster5907]

Totally appropriate analogy

[@DwarFStrider]

Who else wants to know what other watches he has in his collection?

[@Defender-Guy]

@@DwarFStrider Many have wished Harry would do a watch channel. I’m in!

[@lebojay]

@@DwarFStrider I definitely think he should devote an episode to his watch collection.

[@kingpinag7759]

@@DwarFStrider I have seen him wear a panerai sometimes

[@iangriffiths985]

"These cars don't do anything. They don't do the big journeys' *pans away from the Rolls*

[@LaurieWilliams-lk8fc]

And in the recommended list on the same page "Driving a '69 Rolls Royce Shadow to the Arctic in the middle of winter". And the Countach 1200 mile trip, Countach Europe trip for Lamborghini concours, Testarossa to the Sahara, all in there too, I guess. All good trips, with no need to feel guilty about using the cars, fuel or other resources to do them, or of producing CO2 (which has zero relevance), and good informative and entertaining videos, but you goofed a bit in the consistency department there, Harry :)

[@robertspeakman2075]

Electric cars feel soulless!

[@beetleything1864]

Ha and he drove it to the artic just to put another pinhole in the ozone up there 😱. Icebergs will melt 🤯. 🥸

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@robertspeakman2075 Because they have no sound

[@matthewharding1064]

Ok professor tell me how the government is going to recoup all the tax revenue lost on fossil fuel as people buy more electric cars? Electric cars are going to be heavily taxed at some point

[@davekelly8168]

Possibly charged on miles driven, but how will they know how far you are driving you ask? Maybe some sort of GPS tracker Or Your mileage is downloaded every time you charge?

[@danielfarquhar6074]

Victorian & South Australian governments are already beginning to impose such taxes on electric vehicles. Last I saw, a figure showed 2.5c per kilometer tax for an EV & 2.0c per kilometer for a plug-in hybrid. Could probably expect those figures to get higher over time.

[@Daz555Daz]

Tracking and per-mile road charging in coming.

[@edc1569]

Road charging presumably, something I'm not against, would encourage more efficient use of the roads.

[@gimble8638]

its either gonna be along the lines of what most have said here or more simply and more damaging for everyones pocket wether a motorist or not is that electricity just becomes even more expensive regardless what you have used it for :( perhaps by that time tho the cars may have to be plugged into a certain type of supply on its own and it billed on a different tariff, who knows? only time will tell

[@ellacotts7089]

Fantastic video Harry! Thank you so much for featuring our article at 7.29.

[@geddonmeansome9834]

Have you noticed, everything that is supposed to be more efficient, is always more expensive, you will never win.

[@rcpmac]

Only in upfront costs. Do the math

[@SuperHoneyOil]

Also not repairable. Oh those beasts that run for 100 years, awful bc of how much petrol they burn. Modern efficient engine? you have to replace it? Great!

[@carcrashcompilation9459]

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[@aaronharris5275]

My insurance on my brand new scooter was way more expensive than a second hand older 600cc motorcycle. Still not any cheaper in 2nd year. Save on fuel but not a huge saving.

[@Munkenba]

But efficiency has always been more important to a society than money. The industrial revolution must have cost the world untold dollars but do you really want to go back to ox carts? Tech advancement costs money, it always will, doesn't mean it's unnecessary.

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

Very calmly presented and interesting, as always. Brilliant, but we've come to expect no less 👍👍👍

[@MaxS9000]

Great Video Harry, with a lot of useful info for discussing this subject with the greener members of my family. Just watching this after the 2021 roundup. Thanks for keeping those beautiful classic cars alive and more importantly Driving. Now to catch up on the other HG video's I missed.

[@universalclassiccars]

Another insightful and brilliant factual video from Harry, lets keep the love of these cars alive

[@jryalls]

I read that cruise ships produce the same amount of C02 as 20 million car a day. They’re just big floating hotels.

[@mimidotcat]

And they don't seem to care at all, apparently. The hypocrisy is real with this one.

[@terryorcutt8739]

And, they constantly get caught illegally dumping trash at sea, as well.

[@MehMeh]

The 15 largest cargo ships produce more pollution than all the cars in the world

[@albopastrami9269]

@@MehMeh cargo is cargo. however you could argue that cruise is pointless..

[@jryalls]

@@MehMeh that’s insane. At least they’re transporting stuff and not just a floating hotel.

[@markalexander9218]

From the people who said “buy a diesel” comes “buy a electric”

[@AlexLondon]

haha so true.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

They're already taxing them in Australia.

[@nealp885]

@@stringer-ik1pc electric cars?

[@johnsmith1474]

Do you not get it that it's about mileage, or do you simply see a problem with two words for the same idea differing in detail?

[@stubones]

When someone GIVES me an EV to replace my bought and paid for 800 mile range diesel with a like for like, I’ll gleefully go electric. Until then, EV is a non starter.

[@stephenmoncrieff2056]

The problem is that in 10 years we still won’t have the infrastructure in place for this to be viable . We need way more electricity production to make this work .

[@aygwm]

Electricity is just going to become extremely expensive.

[@andrewknowles6731]

Really useful information and context- I appreciate the effort that's gone into your research. I completely agree on the future split between utility and pleasure driving.

[@studiomarand]

This is one of the most interesting and complete review on cars and future mobility I have heard this whole year.

[@carbonicoyster5907]

'whole', although this year has a rather significant hole left in it from the scamdemic.

[@studiomarand]

@@carbonicoyster5907 thanks! i have to check my english grammar ;-) greets from italy

[@joelhenderson4450]

Can’t get over that 3-year turnover figure. Average hold for cars in my family always about 10 years.

[@MichielvanderMeulen]

the maths do not work on the 3 year turnover, you need to calculate the whole lifetime of a car (otherwise Harry's story is pretty sound)

[@sabartadrel]

Even if you do replace it after 3 years, it just goes to someone who buys used. That guy has no C02 contribution by this logic.

[@jeromezone]

Yeah there are some real man maths there. Only fair way to calculate is average U.K. mileage (current 7K but will most likely drop now due to many working from home). Then factor in the average age a car is scraped (guessing around 15 to 20 years).

[@djkhmor4538]

your 10 year cars don't run on batteries so you should really compare to your cell phones... got any that lasts more than 3 years?

[@sabartadrel]

@@djkhmor4538 Yes both a car and a phone.

[@rupertsmedley4210]

This is excellent - thanks Harry - people need to know this and spread the passion and dispel the fear, regards, Rupert ( love your Espada)

[@thomas316]

Driving a 20 year old Toyota Camry as my daily that I keep well maintained, it's looking likely it will outlive humanity itself if parts remain available. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Emppu_T.]

And then you could keep going with 3D printed parts.

[@abovethelaw4417]

A 20 year old Camry is slow af lol

[@thomas316]

@@abovethelaw4417 How fast do you normally drive on your daily commute? 😂 I'd be lucky to average 30mph in a car, if I wanted to go fast I'd take a motorcycle.

[@mohnnadmercedes8246]

Banning petrol cars and then making a big environmental mess with lithium wastes 🤷🏻 Let alone how environmentally nasty to extract lithium. Those decision makers probably never went out from their big houses or big offices to see the real world

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

What is the total environmental cost of extracting oil, processing, storing and delivering to petrol stations? Chuck in the odd oil tanker that spills in the ocean. Don't forget the damage done to local air quality in towns and cities where millions live and children go to school. Try and at least balance your argument. Now tell me about the lithium wastes?

[@sparky4878]

Mining rare earth metals, for the batteries, requires acid to filter out the metals. Over 99% of the earth mined is then dumped back in the ground, as toxic waste. To get less than 1%, by volume, of metal. Some of the metals come from Africa such as DRC, using pretty much slave labour.

[@John_Wood_]

That doesn't matter. This is about control and reducing private transport.

[@jamescaley9942]

CO2 is a boon to the environment, it literally has made the world more green. The largest explosion of life on earth occurred when there was more CO2 and higher temperatures (the Cambrian Explosion). Cold weather and ice ages are what kill more and cause mass extinctions. Corona viruses are always worse in winter and thousands still die of flu and now covid19. The cost of heating homes in winter has gone through the roof thanks to green taxes, so many people are still freezing in winter. CO2 demonisation pushed people into diesels that is far worse for human health as particulates clog up the lungs, this kind of air pollution is a potential aggravating factor for covid19 deaths. Fossil fuels helped liberate people slavery. Nitrogen based fertilisers which are a byproduct of fossil fuels have been a huge boon to global crop yields. If we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow it wouldn't be long before every tree on the planet was felled for fuel. Fossil fuels generated billions for government coffers to fund public services, you only have to look at Norway with its sovereign wealth fund, the envy of the world and was built up largely on the back of oil. Fossil fuels are the earth's natural battery. Just a lot better than lithium.

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

@@sparky4878 I agree that new battery tech needs to be found. No argument there. But these batteries have their origins in laptops no? How comes we are only hearing about mining in the Congo since evs have become a thing? Don't you think it likely that its propaganda from the oil and car industry? Perhaps we should all stop buying phones, laptops and ipads?

[@vokstar]

I'm stunned how small the Testarossa is next to the F-type. I remember reading about them at the time and there was complaints how huge its haunches where.

[@neilly188]

new mini bigger and much heavier than old maxi !!!

[@rossimessi1]

Yes I wasn't a big fan until I saw one parked in real life. Very compact. Much closer to my Elise than I'd imagine. Really nice in the flesh.

[@kavinskysmith4094]

its like anything else, its all how its photographed, and dont forget literally the most famous one of its kind was painted from this beautiful black nero metalic into bright white, so people thought it was abit big when it really wasnt lol

[@timbrookes3699]

Did not understand all of it, but keep repeating and understand more. Harry as usual, information, enthusiastic. Great and thank you !!

[@nathanwabre]

Excellent vidéo Harry 👌 thanks a lot I love the much needed and overlooked holistic approach

[@kaizerlo]

It's interesting to see how general people and the gov, will only focus on a single number only, and miss out the whole picture entirely.

[@Drakotar]

I predict most petrol stations will be converted into fast charge stations, but will still have two pumps for unleaded and diesel by 2040, the fuel will just be extortionately expensive.

[@5thgearouttahere]

I think the expense is far more likely to be in the cost of road compliance (registration etc.) and proportionally much more. It also is what has the biggest impact on "behaviour".

[@johnmunro4952]

Yeah coz they're giving it away at the moment!😂. What do you reckon £3 a litre?

[@ogribiker8535]

Sadly I think you're right !

[@earthstick]

Fuel cost will rise because there will be a fraction of the demand

[@jamesdecross1035]

I predict most car parks will become fast-charging stations.

[@gatsojon001]

You need to also include the energy used to produce the petrol, typically around 5 kWh per gallon.

[@problemchild1976]

Does that include finding it, drilling for it and transporting it?

[@sheledmikymo]

You can say the same for batteries and electric

[@problemchild1976]

@@sheledmikymo yeah agreed and that comes out quite a lot :) but I’ve never really seen a comparison where mpg includes much beyond the fuel burnt It’s not as simple as the example here ;) Plus you can’t compare a 1yr old car and a 50yr old car

[@chrisdownunder5831]

@@sheledmikymo He already did say that. Gotta compare apples to apples or the comparison is meaningless.

[@TheBest14184]

@@sheledmikymo He did. You just didn’t listen

[@markc1844]

What a masterpiece of a video! This video has given me great hope in my secret desparation, clearly you have done many many hours of research into this emotive subject. Ive only found this and your channel today (Feb 2022) , even better than this video is finding your channel! Im looking so forward to watching the content & Ive subscribed as well. Thank You so much.

[@tagoooU]

"What the government allows" if that statement doesn't scare the crap out of you, what could possibly go wrong. When they institute the mandatory ice buyback program and don't think they won't.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

if police cars are electric we can outrun them......

[@user-bh4rx8mf8g]

Absolutely agree. To think that we've all cheerfully become slaves to our government is appalling. I expected idiocy, but not tyranny, from our current government.

[@jonmower3680]

@@user-bh4rx8mf8g YAWN - come on get real, the government will never force a buy back scheme, it would never fly, they would then have to include ALL ICE engined items, and they could never afford it, you would be talking nearly half a trillion, and what would be the point, if the country lost all those cars over the course of a year, then there would be nearly a million jobs lost in petrol stations, garages, brands that cant survive, businesses that dump the UK and move abroad, farms that can not afford to replace equipment, going bust, and the cost to UK when that starts to happen would be even more, and then not forgetting all those classic and historic cars that would have to be dumped, i think you will find more people would rather go to prison than have to be parted with their pride and joy, and then that would really screw the already screwed prison service, so, no that will never happen....

[@user-bh4rx8mf8g]

@@jonmower3680 Jon, the buy-back scheme is already happening, but not on a national scale. Transport for greater Manchester is rolling out its 'Clean Vehicle Funds Service' which effectively buys a free electric car for people who use it to replace their petrol/diesel car. The money for this has been put up centrally from the Department for Transport under the Clean Vehicle Technology Fund. Your taxpayer money is already being used to buy people electric cars in return for the promise to scrap their existing diesel/petrol car. All that you say about job losses, businesses leaving the UK and so on is sadly absolutely true- but nonetheless, this is the "green" hell that Boris and his climate alarmists are pushing us towards.

[@jonmower3680]

@@user-bh4rx8mf8g FFS get you facts right, try reading the ACTUAL info.... you clearly have no knowledge of anything you are dribbling on about....

[@mrmoss149]

You hit the nail on the head once more, Harry. Brilliant. Cheers

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

Shame there are so many oversights and inaccuracies.

[@danielenticknap7540]

@@user-jt1jv8vl9r what were they?

[@wvcollective]

Harry absolutely smashing video so informative and will open up many peoples eyes very surprised that you’ve even done a video like this but it does show that this is the way forward

[@keithwhittaker9124]

An excellent presentation, with a proper, reasoned analysis of relative costs, both economic and environmental. One thing extra should be said though. There was mention of a) the sheer number of cars on UK roads, and how long it will take to replace them all with electric equivalent and b) how is the electricity to be generated for all of those electric cars? What hasn't yet been realised, but will gradually begin to dawn, is that the government has absolutely no intention of replacing all existing vehicles with electric, and equally, it has absolutely no intention of providing the infrastructure for such a number of vehicles. The main aim is to REMOVE cars from roads, and NOT to replace them all. It isn't mentioned often, but you do occasionally hear one or two government advisors tentatively say it, in very couched terms.

[@leejordanful]

One of the most interesting looks at the Big Picture that I have seen. I think it's time to buy a classic car!

[@thebigpicture2032]

It’s always time to buy a classic car. Buy wisely, drive, enjoy and sell for more money down the road.

[@polattanoglu756]

Even the way he says 'Ferrari' is different. He says it like an Italian because he loves and respects the brand, the soul.

[@abovethelaw4417]

But Ferrari stopped making manual cars unlike Porsche

[@vikramjain4256]

Excellent video on a complex topic! Another amazing video! Well done!

[@AR-rs2dy]

Superb video your Lordship. Glad to see someone tackling the issue(s) that are important to "us."

[@zzhughesd]

Harry we need more of your videos. Thanks for thorough research.

[@acecarrera1]

Moral lesson : Drive Testarossa (or Countach) to commute.

[@sabartadrel]

Just don't commute more than 1k miles a year.

[@discovermetaldetecting]

Fantastic video that puts things into perspective. I’m wanting to buy my first classic car and was wobbling a little but this has just reassured me! 👍🏻

[@bryanwaruhiu]

Harry, Thank you for presenting the subject of the future of classic cars. I live in Kenya where we have a very passionate community of classic car enthusiasts, me being one of them. Although your presentation pertains mainly to the UK, I think you have articulated the basic reality very well for classic car enthusiasts from most of the world and not just the UK as government policies around the world are likely to be more or less the same. My country Kenya submitted an ambitious Intended Nationally Determined Contribution to the Paris Agreement, even though our contribution is a mere 0.1% of the total global emission. Climate change is acknowledged in all our key national policy documents. What this means is that we more or less face the same threat from our government that your government has announced for the UK in 2030. Your analysis is very eloquent and I can tell you that it has allayed (at least my) fears. I agree with you that it is not realistic to phase out the combustion engine within the next nine or even twenty years at which time as I think you have correctly predicted there will most probably be an acceptable solution/compromise for fossil fuel that will allow our beautiful engines to continue running.

[@NoWay23548]

In my corner of the garage I have one dead spider and a bucket.

[@redrum2204]

You have a garage???!!! Lucky bugger

[@HR-eb4vs]

What you have a bucket? You did a big blunder saying it online.

[@xpusostomos]

If you were a handyman, you could turn those into a Lamborghini.

[@happychappers8311]

This sounds a lot like the Diesel scam of 20yrs ago.

[@VFR-rs5um]

Gotta love the EU and the burecracy they love to throw around to screw with everybody else. I suppose they have to have some reason to exist.

[@eoghanobrien6980]

@@VFR-rs5um Ironically it's contrary to EU law to ban the sales of particular fuel types.... that's why the UK is able to do this, but no such thing has happened anywhere else in Europe (or the rest of the world). Anyway, I digress, this video was absolutely fascinating - particularly about the emissions produced in the manufacturing of the cars and how some electricity is not at all green. I think one point missed is that if we have synthetic fuels with zero carbon, then there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why new cars cannot be sold with them after 2030. The only thing that Governments right around the world are explicitly ruling out is the sale of cars powered by petrol or diesel. So, if synthetic fuels are able to become a thing, and really are carbon neutral, then we can still have those. I really hope synthetic fuels can take off, there is just nothing like driving a car with a pure combustion engine. The fun from fast cars isn't from the speed itself, it's from the emotion and energy from a nice sounding combustion engine.

[@kylereese4822]

Want to see a 450-600bhp electric Land Rover or VW Beetle or 308 Ferrari ???

[@jordanjohnanderson]

Or the idea of Western manufacturing jobs going to China being replaced with high paying IT jobs? And opening up to China causing them to become democratic and free? Or Britain giving up it's vetoes/opt-outs leading to it being more influential in the EU? Or...

[@statementleaver8095]

And then the truth come out...... UK only in Iraq for the oil!!! Saddam used Mustard Gas not Weapons of Mass Destruction!! The whole British Fleet is ran on Crude oil ffs! Buy a heavy smoker and create clouds of Woolly Mammoth everywhere!!!! When you've had enough tick scrapped on the logbook and park on M1 or the streets of London and let the Government clean the mess up!!

[@RufusT9]

just a small point, but we need to be clear:- kW = power (or rate of work done), kWh = energy (or work done, stored etc.)

[@fwqkaw]

Don't forget Mr. James Prescott Joule.

[@alastairward2774]

I can't imagine in the UK there won't be an out for those well enough off.

[@kittonsmitton]

Harry you are right on the money! The government needs a rethink as does the rest of the world.

[@kylereese4822]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJfJiHl4pb2Iqqc Electric DeLorean With Tesla Battery Packs www.xautoworld.com/news/electric-delorean/ Tesla drivetrain Nissan batteries(?)... kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2fchYGsoZKmY7s DeLorean Electric Car Conversion Nissan Leaf motor / batteries ps the Leaf motor can put out 300bhp...

[@ianjb2127]

Very very interesting post Harry. An excellent contextual view of things to come. Not all gloomy news. 👍🏼

[@stephenmorris1424]

Great video - we all need to think about the points you made. Serious stuff. Well done!

[@jasonperry1444]

Speaking such great sense with statistics to back it all up! Informative to say the least..Thank you

[@Reelsofeels]

Thanks Harry, this is a really important issue and great to hear you talking about it.

[@benbennit]

Nothing greener than millions of 3 ton SUVs full of rare earth metals.

[@roadie3124]

Very toxic rare earth metals mined by child slave labour.

[@user-jt1jv8vl9r]

@@roadie3124 What about the battery in mobile phones or laptops that also use Lithium batteries? How comes no one talks about that?

[@benbennit]

@@user-jt1jv8vl9r its not very effective running a mobile phone on a 4 cylinder diesel.

[@seansands424]

@Do One Why is the government pushing all this bullocks on us i dont want electric car i prefer petrol cars

[@humandroid53]

@@roadie3124 catch up. That's false.

[@jamesperrin5691]

Harry, superperb content, informative and very well researched, one of the best videos yet.

[@marcussoori]

Amazing, detailed video. Hope someone makes a similar video for the USA when we get such legislation one day...

[@captainamerica9353]

Already gas mowers, trimmers and blowers are banned in L.A., and cars in 2035.

[@dreximax5634]

we need harry's watches...

[@christopherlydon7792]

Definitely!

[@london_james]

Harry's brass houses

[@MrAdrianOldfield]

Stuff electric, give me a v8 and stuff China which will profit most from this dumb idea of replacing petrol

[@jordanjohnanderson]

Yes! And stuff traitors who don't resist and accept forced EVs.

[@BerndenLivien]

Because staying a slave to the Middle East is exactly what you want! Haven’t we learnt from a certain oil crisis that staying dependent on Arab oil is a very bad idea? The greedy oil sheiks can really halt an entire nation if they feel like it using oil as a weapon against the West. It’s time to ditch the petrol and become independent.

[@jordanjohnanderson]

@@BerndenLivien I haven't seem much middle east oil here in Canada.

[@BerndenLivien]

Jordan Anderson whether you like it or not, gas is not future proof. Bite the bullet, sooner or later it’ll be replaced by something cheaper and more efficient.

[@jordanjohnanderson]

@@BerndenLivien And when that happens let it happen. Combustion engines didn't become dominant with the benefit of governments banning horses and buggies. Nor from taxing horses and subsidizing horseless carriages. Let things happen when they happen without setting arbitrary dates banning them for political reasons.

[@richardmortimer8147]

Brilliant video, Harry. Very informative. Very well put together. Very helpful.

[@stevencrosft7631]

This is a great video, help put me at ease! thank you

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

Nothing can replace that V12 Countach.

[@stephanusdutoit3796]

It is a Muira

[@danielmarshall4587]

CANNONBALL opening scene ...oh yes I'll say.

[@davidtwittey4613]

Thanks once again Harry for a detailed, factual film. This displays so well to us all the total cost in terms of power consumed for the manufacture of electric vehicles. These facts need to be aired more widely for the public to fully understand. Britain has always been a land of innovators. Improved efficiency for solar, wind & wave power generation. This together with a focus when new products are developed with ease of repair designed in thus driving down the need for a replacement assembly when a single component will do. This in turn will reduce the consumption of raw materials and reduce the cost of ownership.

[@ianallison4652]

Hello Harry, I am a little late to the party and only recently came across your KZbin channel. I actual found you via Iain Tyrrell's Classic Cars site. You are preaching exactly what I have been stating for years now. It is in the vehicle manufacturers interest to support a synthetic fuel so the sports cars, old and new can be continued to be enjoyed and support the economy in the many facets that they step into. Well done. Ian

[@mikeburton7077]

Thank you for a really interesting video ,as an owner of 3 classic motorcycles ,it was very informative

[@joshclayg]

For the average man probably, for the very wealthy no, they just get to hoard more.

[@Zundfolge]

Just like what happened with horses a little over a century ago.

[@thegearknob7161]

@@Zundfolge And houses in recent decades.

[@XJR15ftw]

@@thegearknob7161 I wonder what's gonna happen after a couple generations end their 50+ year careers without even a place to die in to show for it... Boomers have successfully pulled the ladder up behind them and for every generation after it's all a progressively worse proposition. Have family wealth, or die in a shit rented flat without even being allowed a pet after a whole lifetime of work, what a dream.

[@bokhans]

Voting has consequences, one day in not a very distant future the Brits will understand that. The rich and powerful and their media are not your friends, trust them and they will screw you big time.

[@davidm793]

XJR15ftw oh dear, given up already? Just bitter? Or want it on a plate?

[@jamesgreenwood9464]

Great video. As a Tesla 3 SR+ and Z4M Coupe owner I see them as two totally different cars and experiences.

[@astonmate9603]

Yeah synthetic fuels are the way to go. With this technology we can have an infinite supply of eco-friendly petrol! The fact that it can be used in any current car is absolutely awesome! Just shows that electric cars have been the most expensive fad of the century.

[@craigds23efi]

Very interesting and well explained , Thanks Harry!

[@jestronixhanderson9898]

Don’t worry come live in Australia , we’ve practically banned EVs :)

[@jordanjohnanderson]

Yeah, Australia is weird. In most ways Australia is very far left, but right wing on other things. I still hate John Howard, the fake conservative.

[@ninjazareswift2619]

I've lived in Australia, it's horrible, full of lefties and militant shirkers. Sales of Ev's are well on the up as is Tesla Solar. Get on the band wagon or you'll be left in the gutter

[@jestronixhanderson9898]

NinjazAreSwift - Tesla owners will buy EVs without any incentives , average wage earners need incentives for EVs , I bought a cheap leaf here in Australia, with no incentives I wasn’t going to fork out for anything to totally replace our ice car. Still that little ev covers 95% of our trips on a measly 20kwh of useable capacity:) , I don’t expect we will ever have incentives, we have too many business deals riding on keeping oil strong.

[@joshgray9035]

You must be looking forward to your next new Holden 😭 Australia stuck its head in the sand for 20 years and the result was entirely predictable.

[@jordanjohnanderson]

@@joshgray9035 I don't know what's happening in self hating, left wing Australia. How do you like your new politically corrected national anthem, by the way? But here in North America V8 powered Chargers and Challengers are selling like crazy. The Ford F-150 is also the best selling vehicle here.

[@Ta_nuz]

Lovely. Thank you sir. You simply put all just brilliantly. And a big load off the mind. Looking really forward to the advanced fuel system.🙋

[@simonbroddle754]

I do struggle with this. Where is the plug in my house where electricity comes out "for nothing"? Has anyone considered the large majority of cars sold in the UK are in the 2nd hand market simply because not everyone is fortunate enough to have the resources to fund a new one. There are thousands of houses where there is no parking and we're going to have millions of electric leads stretched across pavements in terraced housing where the parking and charging is on the street. We do need a rethink but remember "the light bulb did not come about through the continued development of the candle" this industry needs revolution, not evolution.

[@MrAdopado]

It's a challenge, that's for sure. But when somebody first suggested lampposts I imagine people saying we can't have cables stretched across the roads and pavements!

[@kevr9362]

Wonderfully articulate and persuasive as always Harry. Great video 👍👏🏼

[@razorfoundation]

When doing the math for the CO2 of a BEV, you have to look at the whole lifecycle of the car dust-to-dust. If you change cars every three years it doesn't mean it'll be recycled straight away. It'll find a new owner which would maybe be considering buying a second hand petrol car and instead went to a second-hand BEV. Assuming the battery has been reasonably well taken care of, it'd last over ten years easily. Therefore the 86t CO2 figure isn't very realistic, in my opinion. Great video, though, as usual! :)

[@dadoola1808]

For comparison, if you used the same theory what would 10 year CO2 for a new Golf be? Better or worse than BEV?

[@ciaranwebb6871]

quite.

[@razorfoundation]

@@dadoola1808 probably less than a current BEV. Since we have to transition to a cleaner economy, in any case, it'd be a necessary evil until the effects are lower as sales (and law) drive the technology for a less polluting life cycle of an EV.

[@gdbd59]

Metcalfe for Prime Minister! ;-)

[@davidporeilly1]

yes and Judge Judy for President!

[@tonyb9735]

Great video, intelligently and cogently argued. Thank you! I have been wondering whether to keep hold of my E36 M3. Your video gave me enough reasons (excuses?) to keep hold of it :-D

[@rennwolfwolfgangkriegl]

Thank you for this important information and the great narration. Loving your videos!

[@thefridgeman]

Starts in a Miura, ends it in a Fulvia. Perfect :D

[@mungojack]

You are the only person i have heard quote the figures in this way. Thank you

[@johnl.7582]

That's because they're nonsense. If you change car after two years it doesn't get crushed into a cube, it's used by somene else.

[@donovanf1]

A very informative video Harry, I will be watching it several times to full absorb all your statistics.

[@itslukkeee]

Fantastic video. Good to see someone breaking down the figures

[@OFBCyclingWorld]

The watch analogy is good Harry, it''s also why a lot of us use turntables for music also. Good video.

[@robertpryor7225]

Convert them to electric

[@DeenHameed]

@@robertpryor7225 electric turntables are awesome... 😊

[@richardwilliams5994]

@@DeenHameed I prefer the Kerosene ones that Frank Zappa mentions on the Joes Garage album

[@stephensmall4172]

I will never convert my wind up record player to electric!

[@dendemano]

They are similar analogies to a point, but automatic, or mechanical watches do not pollute.

[@grouty5571]

Won't be many of us peasants on the road

[@spongebobsquaretits]

Thats the idea

[@Levenstone132]

Exactly,what'll be the £1000 runaround in EV world?

[@randersson3672]

Thats the point and plan with AGENDA 2030, and as dumb sheep we let this horrible stuff play out.

[@noahderrington5156]

You need to be aware of the autonomous vehicle subscription services that are coming to replace pretty much all private cars in urban or suburban areas. No purchase, no maintenance, no insurance, no charging worries and no actual need to drive even. Just pull out your phone and a car will be outside in a few mins. Take you to your destination for pennies a mile. So most people won’t need or want a private car and that makes so much more sense than owning a car that spends 90%+ of its life going nowhere. If you want a hobby car or a driving experience, then you have options to pay for and manage a classic or an EV of your choice. For the vast majority of the population that don’t care, the autonomous future is going to replace the idea of owning a car. It’s going to be cheaper than ever for ‘normal’ people to be transported by car in luxury and convenience!

[@Rico_G]

@@Levenstone132 E-bike, unfortunately.

[@ralfhenke8148]

Excellent roind-up, sir! Very balanced enthusiastic, realistic and critical views. All thumbs up from me!

[@nrs6956]

Excellent presentation of the ramifications leading from decisions to be considered in public policy. Thank you.