Porsche Taycan 4S real world review. Plus trying to charge it away from home..

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The 2021 Porsche Taycan 4S can do 0-60 in 3.7secs & 0-100mph in just 8.5secs but what’s it like to live with Porsche's first production electric car and what happens when you try to charge it away from home on one of the new generation pay as you go Instavolt fast chargers? Find out here..
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@ollieb9875
@ollieb9875 3 жыл бұрын
Not having to have a million apps on your phone for each company offering charging would be a game changer yeah.
@BobElHat
@BobElHat 3 жыл бұрын
Govt have said all new chargers need to take contactless which is nice. Other chargers I've tried with contactless are still more hassle than Instavolt though. I don't know why they think they need me to go though some stupid menu. There's only two steps involved - plugging in and tapping the card. If I have to do any more than that it's a failure of user interface design.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
@@BobElHat just use Tesla ones
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit 3 жыл бұрын
@@langraman8756 I agree. Not because I’m a Tesla fan but why would anyone pay twice the price for a car with basically 2 seats? Supercharging is such a HUGE plus of being a Tesla owner.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit the german car sales people are out in force on here
@TheoFennel
@TheoFennel 3 жыл бұрын
Tesla is still winning, range over name brand any day.
@richardhintonracing
@richardhintonracing 3 жыл бұрын
We need a lot more analysis from the back seat driver.
@TheRealHCTurk
@TheRealHCTurk 3 жыл бұрын
Again!
@chrispollard6568
@chrispollard6568 3 жыл бұрын
The new hatchback version has plenty of room
@markeames5115
@markeames5115 3 жыл бұрын
The little nugget at the end reminded me of what "the thrill of driving" should be about and giggling at the small joys we have available to us. Thanks for including that Harry, we could all do with moments like these in our lives
@danryan9276
@danryan9276 3 жыл бұрын
As a Taycan owner who watches most of the KZbin videos on this topic, Harry's review is one of the best. A few comments. (1) Range is dependent on many factors, and in the Taycan, regenerative braking is disabled for a few hundred miles in new cars to ensure brake bed-in. The range calculator also learns from your driving behavior. Harry reported range through two charging cycles, which is well within these limitations. (2) Harry's video has a constant level of road noise throughout. Note that the optional thermal and sound insulated glass option gives the Taycan possibly the quietest car interior ever made. (3) Cargo capacity is improved by the roof rack mounting system available with the panoramic glass roof. This system is compatible with Thule components, such as bicycle, cargo, and canoe mounts. Note also that the seats fold down, and with the optional center rear seat, there is a ski pass-through fold down between two rear seat occupants. The outer rear seats have child seat attachment points as Harry demonstrated. (4) The interior refinement that Harry comments upon is upgradeable to the point that the Porsche Taycan won the World Luxury Car of the Year award for 2020. In the UK, tax incentives for electric vehicle lease or purchase penalize the purchase of options, so we see extremely frugally optioned Taycans in UK reviews that are lacking in interior refinement.
@Case16710
@Case16710 3 жыл бұрын
As a toddler in the late 70’s, I had an 1:18 scale 911 in almost that exact color. It was my favorite toy and it’s what got me into cars as a young kid. Still remember being fascinated by those Fuchs wheels.
@red00eye
@red00eye 3 жыл бұрын
If you ever wonder about doing the grandson bits, just do it. They make me laugh every time.
@GenaF
@GenaF 3 жыл бұрын
He's an adorable little fella, very like my second born. My son would always sit up front with me whilst his brother was at school. He was only 3 at this time and would give me directions and we'd play observational games. Many years ago I was motoring along near home when a car, which I was following from a distance, and gaining upon and fully intended to overtake, suddenly went to turn right into a factory yard, with no indication other than his brake lights as he turned. I quickly stamped on the brakes and on off, on off so as to retain some control and aimed my car to fit in between the grass verge with sign post, street lamp post and hopefully not hit anything. I was going over the limit though and so my car did lock up and my son was excitedly squealing "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" and I eventually halted very closely to a speed limit order sign with my engine still running. I sat for a couple of seconds just gathering myself, I put my hand on little Eddie's knee and said "Are you alright, Ed?" And he replied "Yeeah can we do it again Mummy?" It put a massive smile on my face, my fearless son (he's 23 now). I went back the next day and saw I'd left masses of rubber from my tyres and thankfully that following week the roads were surface dressed with tar and loose gravel. I'd have had no control of where I stopped if they'd already top dressed it before my lock up.
@CarWhiz22
@CarWhiz22 3 жыл бұрын
Likewise. Made me like the video.
@MKI4EVA
@MKI4EVA 3 жыл бұрын
Which motor is in this one?
@timburton1080
@timburton1080 3 жыл бұрын
Very sweet little lad
@Beer_Dad1975
@Beer_Dad1975 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenaF Makes you think when stuff like that happens! My oldest still remembers me taking him down an industrial back road and doing burnouts and donuts with him and his brother in the back giggling their heads off - perfectly safe of course but when my wife found out I caught hell so even though he still asks me to, I haven't ever done it again.
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT 3 жыл бұрын
same electrical acceleration noise as the Johnny cab in Arnies Total Recall.
@LupinYonderboy
@LupinYonderboy 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed the ride ;-)
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
except a whole ton faster, and hopefully the porsche wont try and kill you if you dont pay the fare
@grahamsmith2022
@grahamsmith2022 3 жыл бұрын
"YOU BLEW MY COVER!!!!!"
@veryrare7647
@veryrare7647 3 жыл бұрын
Arnies? oh yea because they remade it... like idiots!
@TheMRmadhatt
@TheMRmadhatt 3 жыл бұрын
The mistake you made here harry was you didn't park the car close enough to charge point
@vanwandererx852
@vanwandererx852 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he is very good at that.the bumper almost kisses the charger.incredible.
@964cuplove
@964cuplove 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he took the two posts for power terminals at first ;-)
@nj3957
@nj3957 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, the charging cable is the same length
@TheMRmadhatt
@TheMRmadhatt 3 жыл бұрын
@@nj3957 I think you might have missed my point
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit
@Ifyoudonttakeitucantfakeit 3 жыл бұрын
You’d get paint rash if any nearer.
@dasautogt
@dasautogt 3 жыл бұрын
Particularly liked the rear seat reviewers contribution at the end 😁
@rmankiani95
@rmankiani95 3 жыл бұрын
"I want 400 miles of range to go and see my Espada being built and not wait an hour to recharge." Such a legend
@spartanbike2260
@spartanbike2260 3 жыл бұрын
2021 lucid air 517 miles , 2021 model s refresh 521 miles. USA EPA ratings. for suv lovers the new Rivian. unfortunately the steering wheel is on the left side :)
@aliancemd
@aliancemd 3 жыл бұрын
As if people don’t take a break in 650 km, that’s just a dumb argument
@ronnielloyd4676
@ronnielloyd4676 3 жыл бұрын
@@aliancemd Hi Lilian, totally agree, but it's the fact it gives you wriggle room if a charger isn't working, or you get traffic diversions, or you didn't charge your car to max the night before and you then get a call early in the morning asking you to drive 200 miles. Better range will improve things, but in reality, most people would manage 95% of the time with a car that had a real-life range of 150 miles. Then hire a car with much longer range for those 1, 2 or 3 times a year when you need it.
@albertdesalvo7273
@albertdesalvo7273 3 жыл бұрын
@@aliancemd Don't judge others by your own shortcomings...
@chrispollard6568
@chrispollard6568 3 жыл бұрын
@@albertdesalvo7273 Pushing CO2 into the air is a major shortcoming.
@topcat4265
@topcat4265 3 жыл бұрын
"how do I get it to stop charging' definitely don't press stop charging 😂
@davidgrover2665
@davidgrover2665 3 жыл бұрын
Best bit is always the smile on the Grandson’s face when the speed kicks in and the words “Again!” Nice work Harry!
@steve_frampton
@steve_frampton 3 жыл бұрын
Seen this comment first and almost want to skip to the end to see this 😂
@th3b0untyhunter
@th3b0untyhunter 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but watch the kid when in the DBS Volante Harry had a while back. Much much more giggles from the noise and performance etc
@davidgrover2665
@davidgrover2665 3 жыл бұрын
@@th3b0untyhunter good wasn’t it!
@zetohd5625
@zetohd5625 3 жыл бұрын
The Northern Jubilee Line. Thanks for that one!
@timb4373
@timb4373 3 жыл бұрын
Northern / Jubilee line duh
@nathanboulton2066
@nathanboulton2066 3 жыл бұрын
I asked a cab driver to take me to Paddington once. he said "the station", i said "well yeah, i don't know the bear!!!
@DeStraatz
@DeStraatz 3 жыл бұрын
Love this. Its like seeing my dad playing around with a new gadget, sad that younger generations won't be able to fully appreciate this tech
@klasseact6663
@klasseact6663 3 жыл бұрын
The end of the video was awesome Harry, thank you☺️
@jmhofmeyr
@jmhofmeyr 3 жыл бұрын
When we gona hear the Espada at 8000rpm :)
@yousefbhoyroo6960
@yousefbhoyroo6960 3 жыл бұрын
Total rubbish car. Overrated
@JelloTypeR
@JelloTypeR 3 жыл бұрын
@@yousefbhoyroo6960 that’s very helpful. I take it you used to own an Espada?
@nelsonclub7722
@nelsonclub7722 3 жыл бұрын
Just before the engine gives up?
@1968spikey
@1968spikey 3 жыл бұрын
@@yousefbhoyroo6960 if Harry rates it, it is not a crap car.
@oohmeconkers1968
@oohmeconkers1968 3 жыл бұрын
@@JelloTypeR he probably has a mate who had one.. years ago...😏
@SB-vb8ch
@SB-vb8ch 3 жыл бұрын
Double the wheel torque (almost) in speed 1 vs speed 2 so it's fair to expect the tip in to be a tad sharper! I assume there is a lot more going on with torque management /pedal maps etc etc but mechanical advantage is mechanical advantage.
@huss1205
@huss1205 3 жыл бұрын
Charging costs are expensive...
@MikeSmith-rd9fi
@MikeSmith-rd9fi 3 жыл бұрын
+ painfully slow
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 3 жыл бұрын
Depends which public network you use to charge. Shell 150kwH fast chargers are 34p kWH, Polar 50kWh are 15p kWH with a membership. The majority of the time you don’t need to use public chargers because you charge at home.
@huss1205
@huss1205 3 жыл бұрын
@@SDK2006b I live in an apartment, no Private garage. Sweden is crazy expensive in terms of charging costs and with the cold weather, diesel is the best option...
@tam8197
@tam8197 3 жыл бұрын
@@SDK2006b no chance of me charging anything at home, i live on a road.
@ericderanitz2255
@ericderanitz2255 3 жыл бұрын
There will be 7kW chargers at nearly every parking space in the future, so it will be possible even when living on a road
@MrCapacitator
@MrCapacitator 3 жыл бұрын
Closing my eyes and listening to the whine at start up gave me a vision of a Unigate milk float from the 70's :)
@Adrian_Nel
@Adrian_Nel 3 жыл бұрын
One befukte milk float, that...
@Adrian_Nel
@Adrian_Nel 3 жыл бұрын
One befukte milk float, that...
@stevemulcahy5014
@stevemulcahy5014 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when I first went from the Central Line platform at Stratford down to the Jubilee Line. It was the best electric motor sound I'd ever heard. Pretty much still is. Compared to the other underground trains, it sounded powerful and interesting.
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
The sound of the electric motor reminds me of the noise KITT made
@mimidotcat
@mimidotcat 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it sounds sick.
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsmth43 yes i'd forgotten those electric milk floats
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
@@rsmth43 im impressed, i thought they'd all gone, what with most local milk depots closing.
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Apple green on Ford Fiestas back in around 2006.
@splodge5714
@splodge5714 3 жыл бұрын
or 95% of Kawasaki motor bikes.
@thegearknob7161
@thegearknob7161 3 жыл бұрын
2008. I liked it. Better than yet another shade of grey.
@damienmills293
@damienmills293 3 жыл бұрын
Also Hoon Model Holden Commodores of the same era...
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
@@damienmills293 there was a Commodore Ute around here a few years ago in that shade of green.
@anssileinonen3522
@anssileinonen3522 3 жыл бұрын
Better Apple green than Android gray?
@aklc4090
@aklc4090 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Good to see someone making an electric car you would want to drive.
@mimidotcat
@mimidotcat 3 жыл бұрын
That's why it's one of the best electric cars out there.
@robertbcope
@robertbcope 3 жыл бұрын
Now if they could make it affordable.
@ojoimages
@ojoimages 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Harry. Your summary is spot on. They have missed a trick as you say and should have launched a fast estate 1st. Insta are great (they and polar are all I use) and if they had eked out a 300 mile range (in lieu of a lack of tesla super charger speed and convenience- in the uk ) they have hit the sweet spot. Right now, in the uk, a small £35k 250 mile range - ie Hyundai kona is the sweet spot if you don’t want a M3 - tesla Does 95% of what you need.
@tomtalk24
@tomtalk24 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Seems exclusivity will still be a thing in the EV world, and now, looking forward to it.
@anonanon7497
@anonanon7497 Жыл бұрын
It certainly will be exclusive, comsidering there isnt even enough global lithium to have full adoption in the USA.
@Avalk9724
@Avalk9724 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Harry , you've done it again. Superb! The most objective and honest real-world review. The first one who doesn't concentrate only on acceleration. Who the hell buys a car only for stoplight racing??
@sncarhire
@sncarhire Жыл бұрын
Saw one of these and it actually makes a sound when it drives. Love it.
@jayesh787800
@jayesh787800 3 жыл бұрын
Jubilee Line, that's exactly my first thought
@alanhumberstone9989
@alanhumberstone9989 3 жыл бұрын
It looks really simple providing you have a lot of time
@raulio81
@raulio81 3 жыл бұрын
Is it only me, or making touch screen, tablet actually, is cheaper then making high quality buttons. I understood that it would be too much buttons on car like this, but putting all in tablet, Tesla like, turns me off. Give me one good button dannit!
@dvamateur
@dvamateur 3 жыл бұрын
Correct, touchscreen is a much cheaper hardware than switches. And so are the LCD/LED screens vs. real gauges.
@paulsimonsson
@paulsimonsson 3 жыл бұрын
That acceleration in the beginning reminds me of the old Bond movies when they fast forward to make the cars look fast
@paulpressland
@paulpressland 3 жыл бұрын
As an owner I would confirm the range is well down on claimed, also if you drive it as a Porsche should be it drops by another 20% at best. It is wonderful piece of engineering, a game changer but the network is not up to scratch yet. 🐐
@slartybartfarst9737
@slartybartfarst9737 3 жыл бұрын
"Why has it taken so long" exactly Harry, good to hear Instavolt have got it right. As far as Teslaesque goes (a) the Tesla Supercharger would have been on the sat nav along with confirmation of bays free which as you know would you never have to wait with Tesla. (b) Charging would have been easily twice as fast, there is a lot of integration between charger and car, there's gonna be, they make both. Impressed with your thoughts on the Porsche Taycan, of course Im biased Tesla Model S owner but mountain bikes chucked in the back and used to Tesla huge range and low price.
@blxtothis
@blxtothis 3 жыл бұрын
But there's the Tesla build quality elephant in the room, otherwise I'd agree that the Porsche is a rich man's posing pouch whereas a Model S is a rich man's practical electric solution with change to spare. Let's face it though, all EVs are just too danged expensive and all have some compromise or the other. Me, I'm waiting for a Searl Effect Generator powered vehicle, now if only that was factual, one could plug it into your house when not driving to do away with mains electricty and gas for power. Some dream that would be.
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 3 жыл бұрын
Taycan estate coming though Graham, something Tesla will never do as US Companies don't "get" estates...
@slartybartfarst9737
@slartybartfarst9737 3 жыл бұрын
@@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 3 mountain bikes go in the back of the model S and I still got front trunk so not needed an estate in 100,000 Tesla miles. Slippery shape of lift back = CD2.4 but your right if Tesla did an estate it may temp me. Roadster on order but only if the back seats flip and a mountain bike goes in the back (wheels off no problem)
@slartybartfarst9737
@slartybartfarst9737 3 жыл бұрын
@@blxtothis Build quality yes totally agree. Im 38 years engineering in big auto throughout the world so get to see the true story first hand, the fundamental architecture of the car is wrong with an internal combustion engine, this you realise when using an electric car especially an electric performance car. In terms of expense I agree initial up front cost is high however this will drop next 3 years and my Tesla P85 was bought to be used for 10 years its now 6 years old 100,000 miles has better reliability than any of my precious cars and has paid for itself in running and service coast by 150,000 miles.
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524
@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 3 жыл бұрын
@@slartybartfarst9737 No idea how you manage that, I struggle to fit one 29er in the back, it stops me taking more people and it makes a mess. If it had a rear towing ball at least I could use a rear bike frame. Front boot doesn't help take passengers cycling. It's a pretty useless shape, as slippy as it may be (I'm a drummer too). NB Drag force is Cd.A not just Cd. Well if you can afford a roadster, you can afford an X runaround to get muddy biking!!! ;))
@Yorkshiremadmick
@Yorkshiremadmick 3 жыл бұрын
Milk Float springs to mind with that sound. Nice looking car, certainly prettier than a Tesla. Build quality light years ahead! Thanks for sharing it. 👍🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@dylansmit3883
@dylansmit3883 3 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of shocked at how little space there is inside. You'd think a car that big would at least be able to seat four.
@Tiax776
@Tiax776 2 жыл бұрын
@Neman Momand Carwow is trash. It's just a guy promoting his website.
@joetacchino4470
@joetacchino4470 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve nailed the pluses and minuses perfectly Harry. I couldn’t get over how terrible the packaging is for a taller (6’2”) gent like myself. The worst was how hard it was to wedge myself between the steering wheel and b pillar. It was pretty poor, to be honest. And the interior space is tighter than my Model 3. When my Model 3 was totaled earlier this year, I had a choice to make. I came close to ordering a Taycan 4S, but for the same price, I got a Model 3 Performance AND a 25k mile 997 Turbo S. The depreciation on a Taycan is likely to be eye watering. And to be honest, although it goes down the road and feels like a Porsche, it doesn’t shade the Model 3 nearly as much as I thought it would. Add in the aSupercharging network and I passed on the Porsche. Yeah, I miss not having that beautiful build quality in my daily driver. And the Porsche ride / handling. But when I get in my 997 Turbo, that seems to all fade...
@Sanchez9531
@Sanchez9531 3 жыл бұрын
Best car channel on youtube i swear. No one does car reviews like Harry does. Great work sir!
@Seandunc69
@Seandunc69 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting timing given the media coverage of that Taycan that couldn’t find anywhere to charge.
@gordonwedman3179
@gordonwedman3179 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I read that on BBC. Something like this 5 hours to drive 120 miles. When I take my P38 Rang Rover off road I carry extra gas. Don't think I will be off roading and in an electric in my life.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
timing of the hype after boris announced
@michaelpuderramirez2331
@michaelpuderramirez2331 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your great videos, Harry! May God bless you and all in your family.
@SDK2006b
@SDK2006b 3 жыл бұрын
The charging speed is slower when the battery temp is low. A temp below 10c will significantly impact range and charging speed.
@Rover200Power
@Rover200Power 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing we live in the UK then . . .
@dagnut
@dagnut 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rover200Power and these supposedly stop the global warming we need..the irony
@SirMopy
@SirMopy 3 жыл бұрын
@@dagnut global warming doesn‘t always mean it‘s getting colder and colder......
@peteralexakis
@peteralexakis 3 жыл бұрын
After all that drive the battery was in temperature. The reduced charging has to do with 1. He is using the vehicle dc dc charger and 2. The battery will accept a lot more power if the SOC is low
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
even wind energy causes climate warming. EV is not a solution to reduce co2
@TheCrystalyne
@TheCrystalyne Жыл бұрын
I think you fudged the point Harry...how long would you have had to be at the charging station to fully charge the car compared to filling it up with petrol or diesel?? Its about time people stopped pretending this is viable alternative to petroleum fuel...
@companymann
@companymann Жыл бұрын
Watched this in 2023. Man, u can really whinge can ya haha Love the Taycan, super cool and ahead of its time
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 3 жыл бұрын
My Peugeot 106 diesel cost me £500 and does 80mpg. I won't be getting rid of it any time soon.....
@drawwithdan5821
@drawwithdan5821 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of driving do you do to get that figure? Even for one of those, that sounds unrealistic. Genuine question, not saying it’s BS.
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@drawwithdan5821 I drive 55 miles to work and the same 55 back. It is approx 90% 70mph limits. I drive at EXACTLY 50mph. It takes a little longer (though not as much as you might think) compared to 70, but I have been doing this journey for many years now and accept it. Driving at this speed is stress free and the economy is beyond belief. It still shocks me.
@martijnkosters9024
@martijnkosters9024 3 жыл бұрын
You know that’s not quite the same as a Taycan, right?
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@drawwithdan5821 Incidentally, my brother and I have a little competition to see who can get the highest. I have also managed 37mpg on my work commute out of a Jaguar XK 5.0 and 100mpg out of a Honda NC750DCT Motorcycle.
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne
@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@martijnkosters9024 They both have 4 wheels, doors, steering wheel, seats, boot, windows, horn, windscreen wipers, tyres, lights, etc, so more in common than not. Only thing is at road legal speeds my Peugeot would do Lnds |End to John O'Groats quicker than the Taycan, at a fraction of the cost.....
@phils2180
@phils2180 3 жыл бұрын
Well, I have to say I like the look of it despite the impracticalities of the limited storage space. I also quite like the sound of this one. It reminds me of the overdubbed mock-up cars used in the UFO TV series from the early '70's. It appears they've certainly nailed the ease of charging, it couldn't get much easier. If the reduced charge rate was down to the two other vehicles charging at the same station it just highlights the infrastructure and power generation problem they're going to have to address if electric cars are to become the norm. The development of electric car tech is really taking off and will only increase as more and more manufacturers come onboard. The revised new petrol/diesel ban is just over 9 years away now but it's exciting to think what the full electric options will be by then.
@rob_lightbody
@rob_lightbody 3 жыл бұрын
If ever a car didn't need an electric boot opener, it's that one!
@mrmr1734
@mrmr1734 2 жыл бұрын
When he said the car's sound reminded him of being on the Tube, Northern Jubilee line, I lost it, LOL. That was hilarious.
@TheBTG88
@TheBTG88 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see tires that have some decent sidewall width to provide a more comfortable ride.
@jami7772
@jami7772 3 жыл бұрын
With that colour and the front face, it looks like Kermit the frog 🐸
@TheMentalblockrock
@TheMentalblockrock 3 жыл бұрын
More like Pepe the frog!
@faustusTVR
@faustusTVR 3 жыл бұрын
More like Freddo the Frog.
@joelness
@joelness 3 жыл бұрын
I was sitting behind a 2nd-gen Cayenne in traffic and saw that the license plate included # H P P 0 # # and I thought, wow, I never noticed but it really does look like a hippo! I get a kick out of randomly assigned DMV plates that are either accidentally truthful or ironic so I really hope one of these gets a # F R G # # # plate.
@bradford_shaun_murray
@bradford_shaun_murray 3 жыл бұрын
Electric Frog style
@douglasb.1203
@douglasb.1203 3 жыл бұрын
The charging rate was 3.6 miles per minute for a total of 23 miles range costing £2.50. Hmm... Doesn't seem all that efficient.
@electricfelix
@electricfelix 3 жыл бұрын
Then again who buys a Porsche for efficiency? This is a driver's car.
@TheDoosh79
@TheDoosh79 3 жыл бұрын
Early adopters tax, someone has to cover the cost of installing all these chargers that are going to get minimal use, and that is always the customer.
@douglasb.1203
@douglasb.1203 3 жыл бұрын
@@electricfelix isn't the ethos of electric vehicles efficiency & environmentalism?
@douglasb.1203
@douglasb.1203 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDoosh79 or in the states case, taxpayers who haven't purchased one.
@electricfelix
@electricfelix 3 жыл бұрын
@@douglasb.1203 I've tried many different EV's at their top speeds (in Germany). None came close to the Taycan. The efficiency at high speeds is simply amazing. And I was driving the Turbo S. Really impressive for their first EV.
@pjaclarke
@pjaclarke 3 жыл бұрын
I daily drive an e-tron. Instavolt are head and shoulders above every other network for experience, reliability and speed. I don’t bother with anything else now.
@MoultrieGeek
@MoultrieGeek 3 жыл бұрын
My in-laws in the UK say the exact same thing: Instavolt is miles ahead of the competition and very close to Tesla.
@Hgv706
@Hgv706 3 жыл бұрын
Great entertaining video as always from Harry. Thanks for that. I have had Taycan 4S with smaller battery now little more than 3 months. Beautiful car, enjoyed every moment! Couple of more good things what I can add when driving car quite a cold weather in Finland lately. To charge fast and not to increase consumption you need to use heating systems before you go. Easy to use through app. You can see battery temperature from the gauges and when its less than +10C the charging speed as well as consumption is worse than promised until then temperature increase. More than +20C battery temperature and you will get those numbers as promised. I have driven now +8000km and average consumption is 19,4kWh/100 km ~400km range. Not bad. Also as this small battery Taycan is 150kg less weight than Turbo S, I'm more than happy not to tick the big battery option. Many others I did instead. Cheers!
@kevinherbert9563
@kevinherbert9563 3 жыл бұрын
Best part of the video is the analysis right at the end from the expert in the back seat.
@trickyrat483
@trickyrat483 3 жыл бұрын
High cost of charging and the inconvenience of doubling your journey times. Then add the cost of sitting in Costa for an hour or two waiting for it to charge - one cold coffee, limp sandwich and a small, hardened cake: £20. :)
@pavatottify
@pavatottify 3 жыл бұрын
Lands end to John o groats - 14 hours of driving, and 1.5 hours charging (at a cost of £44 compared to 70 something for a 60mpg diesel car at 1.17/l) - hardly double the time and considerably cheaper.
@khuzram
@khuzram 3 жыл бұрын
£2.50 for 23miles thats expensive
@BobElHat
@BobElHat 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much the least efficient EV and the most expensive way to charge it. For it to come out about the same fuel cost as a diesel saloon isn't bad.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
its a con thats why
@mrmartin2079
@mrmartin2079 3 жыл бұрын
I also thought it seems expensive
@stevena9305
@stevena9305 3 жыл бұрын
Works out exactly the same per mile as my petrol VW Arteon
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevena9305 tesla is better you get the freecharge stations
@hbakez9765
@hbakez9765 3 жыл бұрын
It cost you £2.50 for 23 miles? that's over 10.8p a mile... If you do 40 mpg with petrol @ £1.08 that would equal 12p per mile... I expected a large reduction
@trickyrat483
@trickyrat483 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to add the cost of sitting in Costa for an hour or two waiting for it to charge - one coffee, sandwich and a small cake: £20. :)
@hazyb91
@hazyb91 3 жыл бұрын
I did the same maths. It’s even worse at 50mpg. The numbers don’t add up for electric cars if you’re going to use these public chargers.
@ES90344
@ES90344 3 жыл бұрын
My friend got a Model Y recently, he wasn't pleased when a co-worker and I broke down the costs of charging at home and in public vs an ICE car.
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
doesn't even have autopilot. EV will always cost. more than petrol
@martijnkosters9024
@martijnkosters9024 3 жыл бұрын
The EV price is charging a big car at a commercial price, never seen anyone fuel up a petrol car at home.
@aidank2
@aidank2 3 жыл бұрын
The last bit of your video with your grandson in the seat reminded me when my 2 children were 3&4 years old they would sit in the back of my Porsche 928s Manual and loved it when I accelerated in 2nd gear they loved it to bits then I found my son sat on the rear armrest as he figured that he fell backward they laughed every time.Memories yes I feel that £100K is a lot for this car.
@klasseact6663
@klasseact6663 3 жыл бұрын
That's already an iconic Porsche color🔥🔥🔥
@gbroadbent81
@gbroadbent81 3 жыл бұрын
The uk ev charging network is still a shambles. For a proper test of the network, try out all the other charging companies. A sample of 1 ev charging station is not a fair portrayal.
@electricfelix
@electricfelix 3 жыл бұрын
One way to see it. I think French EV drivers crossing the pond feel very lucky when arriving in the UK with all the companies competing for the EV driver. At amazing prices (when compared to mainland EU). #alwaysbecharging
@ianthomas7863
@ianthomas7863 3 жыл бұрын
Try Australia, its non-existent!
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
EV is rubbish wouldn't bother with it
@lestatelvampir69
@lestatelvampir69 3 жыл бұрын
So hillarious and true at the same time....that London tube sound. Hahaha... I didn't remember that tube sound until you mentioned it. Superb comparison. :)
@YachtReport
@YachtReport 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video Harry. Spoilt by KZbin adding three 20 second adverts I couldn’t skip ruining the flow.
@applepie8772
@applepie8772 15 күн бұрын
I have just brought a 4s small battery second hand - 32 k with trade in - just brilliant.
@Pauld62
@Pauld62 3 жыл бұрын
Im a real stick in the mud as far as EVs go. But i do think the taycan is the best effort weve seen so far
@conanthanoz19
@conanthanoz19 3 жыл бұрын
They could have done better by just re-badging a Tesla.
@MetikalMan
@MetikalMan 3 жыл бұрын
Have you driven a late production Model 3?
@conanthanoz19
@conanthanoz19 3 жыл бұрын
@@MetikalMan No I have not. Is the Taycan competing with the Model 3 rather than the S? I live in Silicon Valley and there are Teslas all over the place though. I find EVs to be absurd for this region as most people live in apartments with no way of charging.
@M4X1
@M4X1 Жыл бұрын
@@conanthanoz19 There are outlets in the city too
@sambagogo777
@sambagogo777 3 жыл бұрын
£100,000 to sound like you're travelling on the Jubilee line. Bargain!
@thegearknob7161
@thegearknob7161 3 жыл бұрын
It is, I mean it's the same price as a lifetime of railcards, and you get to have this train all to yourself! It won't last you a lifetime though. Good luck in 10 or 15 years when the batteries die of old age.
@kennytheamazing
@kennytheamazing 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegearknob7161 Not to mention when something silly like that automatic battery flap breaks and leaves you unable to charge.
@IMTHEBIGGESTCUNT
@IMTHEBIGGESTCUNT 3 жыл бұрын
When you charge it at one of them points.. and it runs out of charge really quickly and more frequently. No thanks. Nice looking car though, don’t get me wrong 😂
@ferdinandbardamu3945
@ferdinandbardamu3945 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegearknob7161 I guess it depends on the cost of a new battery in 10 to 15 years. And the cost of electricity in 10 to 15 years. The motors should last a lot longer than a combustion engine.
@aliancemd
@aliancemd 3 жыл бұрын
The sound can be disabled, not an issue...
@Alanjamessouthey
@Alanjamessouthey 3 жыл бұрын
takes me back to my childhood, sounds like the milk float that delivered my milk
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
That must have been one fast milkfloat...
@chrispollard6568
@chrispollard6568 3 жыл бұрын
So cars that make loud noises are your idea of progress?
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrispollard6568 No but they sound good.
@chrispollard6568
@chrispollard6568 3 жыл бұрын
@@skylined5534 Any noise shows a waste of money through wasted energy. It also annoys other people.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrispollard6568 Don't care and don't care.
@richardkennett4086
@richardkennett4086 3 жыл бұрын
Instavolt is a great solution at 35p kWh and growing quickly. But the IONITY network is growing too and the charge costs for Taycan owners is 30p per kWh for 3 years and of course they are 350kW. Also for fast charging before you get to the station you select preheat on the battery and you gain the fastest charge times. All aids to improving the experience. There is lots to learn and Porsche have made the experience easy.
@electricfelix
@electricfelix 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely review Harry, thanks. Can you believe I asked Porsche for a 4S to test Berlin->Amsterdam at speed and they instead gave me a Turbo S? Haha talk about overdelivery. About your InstaVolt charging session: the cable your machine used is not liquid cooled and will therefore never go over 80/90kW which is strange (to outfit these pretty chargers with these lacking cables). They can upgrade them to make these chargers more future proof, even the ID.3 (and e-tron and so on) would profit from retrofitting of liquid cooled cables. Wouldn't be the first company to do so. I will write them on LinkedIn!
@AleksandrHalas
@AleksandrHalas 3 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid that in this case the cost of charging is likely to be higher in the future than the cost of gasoline per 100 km
@YZ450f24
@YZ450f24 Жыл бұрын
That can't happen the only way that could happen is if the cost of electricity everywhere went up. You do realize it's the same exact electricity that comes from the power grid that powers every single light and every single house and building and business don't you? On top of that what's to say electricity in every single country isn't going to always remain different? Why would you make baseless assumptions with 0 reasoning behind it?
@stevena9305
@stevena9305 Жыл бұрын
Thar post was made 2 years ago and isn’t far wrong!
@glen7301
@glen7301 3 жыл бұрын
getting out of the car in the rain, attempting to plug in and then sitting for however long to get charged, does not appeal to me. All for £100K !
@sv650nyc7
@sv650nyc7 3 жыл бұрын
If you have the money for this car, you'll have a house with a charging spot. If you need to charge on a long road trip, a 20 min charging stop every 150 miles is all you need. You'd probably need a toilet or coffee break then anyways. Plenty of long range EV drivers on KZbin have demonstrated that the most efficient way to do long distances is to charge the battery from 5% to only 60% since that will ensure the highest charging speeds. On the road it's not time efficient to charge any higher due to the massive slowing down (a chemical limitation of Li-Ion batteries). So you'd always start from home at 100% (unlike a gas car), drive it down to 5% or 230 mi in this case, charge 20 min, ride 150 mi, and so on. So let's say you plan to ride 500 miles in a day, that would only require 40 minutes at a charging stop. That's two bathroom breaks pretty much. You'll arrive at your destination on low charge, but that won't matter if you can charge it there over night (10 hours should be enough even on a conventional 30A/7kW plug). If there's a high speed charger nearby, you could charge up to 100% in less than 30 minutes. Plus you don't have to waste time at a pump and breath in petroleum fumes, instead you park, plug it in and go take a quality break.
@kentonian
@kentonian 3 жыл бұрын
​@@sv650nyc7 This car is not the best for long trips, you looking at about 2 hours of driving and 30m fast charge stops in between. You don't have to sit in the car, you can go for a drink in a cafe etc. If you really need a long range car then at the moment a model s is you best option. You can do around 3 hour trips and 30 min stops between.
@chrisyoung6108
@chrisyoung6108 3 жыл бұрын
@@kentonian For most people, their daily commute is well within the roundtrip range of any EV. For the odd time you go on a long road trip... Rent a car
@jbuckley2546
@jbuckley2546 3 жыл бұрын
@Wolfgang Preier Nah, fuck that. I'm driving petrol till they put me in the ground.
@jbuckley2546
@jbuckley2546 3 жыл бұрын
@@sv650nyc7 Quality break? Chav filled filled services, shit streaked toilets, over-priced coffee. Meanwhile I'm half way home in my ICE.
@Gozar111
@Gozar111 3 жыл бұрын
That little dude loves speed!
@DM-ki1bs
@DM-ki1bs 3 жыл бұрын
Just saw a vid about a couple with a Taycan trying to get home. They stated a normal 2.5 hour journey turned into a 7 hour journey due to the infrastructure of charging points.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 3 жыл бұрын
No, it wasn't due to lack of infrastructure - there are now almost 20k chargers in the UK - their misfortune was due to a lack of foresight and planning.
@watchesandburgers
@watchesandburgers 2 жыл бұрын
That Patek is so fitting on your wrist, sir. Well done.
@robertmorrice2282
@robertmorrice2282 3 жыл бұрын
Great show loved the kids reaction to speed and especially the trip on the old rolls keep the good work up 👍
@grl4958
@grl4958 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos! One question: If your realistic range is approx 230 miles and according to the charger, you had 54% left in the battery, the estimated time to charge the remaining 46% was estimated at taking 1hr 11mins, that would mean in order to charge from an almost flat battery it would take about 2hrs 20 mins for a 460 mile range. I may have made a mistake in my maths but that's not what I would call a realistic charging time, especially if ALL the vehicles on the road have to be fully electric. The queues at charging points would be horrendous. Also, it takes me approx 10 mins to visit the garage and top up with diesel, which with a full tank gives me 400 miles. In the time it takes an electric vehicle to charge, I could cover approx 140 miles, which is more than half way between London and Penzance. I'm sorry, but in my opinion electric vehicles are not the answer. This in no way detracts from the great videos you produce.
@luminescentlion
@luminescentlion 9 ай бұрын
Filling 0-10% is ultra fast and then it get slower the more charge the battery has. 0-80% charge speed is more important and that will take 15 minutes-ish at high power chargers and will definitely be done over night at home. Also you took the time stat from before the speed warmup, it takes it 5ish seconds from the start of charging to hit full speed.
@robmorgan8369
@robmorgan8369 3 жыл бұрын
In reality, you very quickly get used to only taking what you need to get to (or to and from) your destination - if you wait for it to go to 100% it will take ages as most EV's go into their cell management routines from around 85%. In terms of cost, £2.50 for 23 miles - I suspect there was an initiation charge there somewhere, but still if your petrol car averages circa 45mpg, that's not too bad - and there ain't many cars with that level of performance delivering that 45mpg or so. Thank god the charging infrastructure has evolved as that was one of the main reasons I reverted to petrol from EV (for now!). Good review again Harry - liked that!
@ilovelimpfries
@ilovelimpfries 3 жыл бұрын
I’m only watching this because youtube have been spamming me this video in my feed for the last 5 days.
@saymyname218
@saymyname218 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, with that upholstery they've "Taycan the Piss!"
@MoultrieGeek
@MoultrieGeek 3 жыл бұрын
I'll forgive the dodgy pun because it made me giggle.
@MetikalMan
@MetikalMan 3 жыл бұрын
It’s the interior I would want, but not for a premium over leather. Are thay crey?!
@paulaus
@paulaus 3 жыл бұрын
The standout is no Radar Cruise for £100k
@kraenk12
@kraenk12 3 жыл бұрын
Ignorant.
@SuperLbptutorials
@SuperLbptutorials 3 жыл бұрын
For me, the steering wheel is off putting, I mean it looks like the one you see in a polo.
@David_Owsnett
@David_Owsnett 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like an electric Bedford HA van we had at Didcot A power station in the 80's.
@splodge5714
@splodge5714 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my Milkman on his rounds in the 60s.
@marcbiff2192
@marcbiff2192 3 жыл бұрын
Tell me of this "power station"you speak of?
@David_Owsnett
@David_Owsnett 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcbiff2192 It is no longer there.
@marcbiff2192
@marcbiff2192 3 жыл бұрын
@@David_Owsnett Like most real power stations will be soon.
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 2 жыл бұрын
Last week, I drove from Lisbon, South to my home in the Algarve, then to St Malo and subsequently Warwickshire. Complete pleasure, way more relaxing and playful than the “jiggly-ride “2020 X5 it replaced. The supercharger stops in Spain and Portugal are surprisingly at boutique hotels , beautiful vineyards or golf courses ! Quite pleasant for a coffee and bathroom visit. The average stop, just 19 minutes to charge and £16 cost ! But stick to ice cars, urine soaked washrooms and motorway service stations if that’s your “thing”
@rudolphsmith2894
@rudolphsmith2894 3 жыл бұрын
stick an extra advert at the end Harry, that way you'll catch the sleepers and indecisive without annoying anyone. Great Vid Awesome Content!
@Kelveron
@Kelveron 3 жыл бұрын
That door closure at 5:45 sure sounded very flimsy!!
@chrisclark7181
@chrisclark7181 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Harry, im an EV observer, a few more years yet before I switch.
@michaelschneider-
@michaelschneider- 3 жыл бұрын
@Chris Clark .. “An EV observer”, same here. All the metrics of EV ownership have a way to. Times they are a change ‘in... Taking the 993 2S coupe for a drive (& listen) to contemplate the arrival of EV sports coupes....
@robiulahmed
@robiulahmed 3 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine when almost everybody has electric cars and there's a queue for the charging point?
@dagnut
@dagnut 3 жыл бұрын
this is the flaw in this crazy policy. they are pushing policy the infrastructure can't support...and lets get it right these are battery powered cars, they are disposable. The vast majority of cars in use today are over 10 years old. No battery in use today is warrantied beyond 8 years. Start calling them battery powered and suddenly they don't seem as environmentally friendly.
@robiulahmed
@robiulahmed 3 жыл бұрын
@@dagnut Totally agree. It's a massive rip off and soon charging them up will cost as much as filling a car with petrol. They don't make any sense beyond the niche market of those that can charge at home and only ever do short trips.
@fanfeck2844
@fanfeck2844 3 жыл бұрын
@@dagnut , what is the warranty like on a fossil car?
@fanfeck2844
@fanfeck2844 3 жыл бұрын
@@robiulahmed , yeah, a 250 mile short trip lol
@crazyfroggie6546
@crazyfroggie6546 3 жыл бұрын
Seen that in LA at the Tesla fast chargers, queue goes out of the forecourt and down the road
@davidwright7923
@davidwright7923 3 жыл бұрын
Electric cars excite me about as much as a mobility scooter,thank god I live in the era of V8s!
@minuslr
@minuslr 3 жыл бұрын
Nice recharge site near to my work HQ in Woodstock. So glad to see it working well. This is the future!
@craigbryant261
@craigbryant261 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds somewhere between futuristic and 70's milk float to me!
@GorZhe
@GorZhe 3 жыл бұрын
Grandson is CUTE!
@jvinc
@jvinc 3 жыл бұрын
Some day that kid will treasure that little video snip! Well done, Harry!!
@VampirusX
@VampirusX 3 жыл бұрын
The color is perfectly matched with the frog-face 👌
@bindefuni5407
@bindefuni5407 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, reminds me of the panamera, which is an ugly duckling as well
@ollieb9875
@ollieb9875 3 жыл бұрын
🐸
@vikramjain4256
@vikramjain4256 3 жыл бұрын
As usual, Harry provides the best review of the Taycan I’ve seen! Brill video! Thx
@julianb1474
@julianb1474 3 жыл бұрын
I loved "vegan leather" as a new name for vinyl.
@simonhaycocks
@simonhaycocks 3 жыл бұрын
"convince yourself the rear diff has gone" Yeah, i know that feeling 😰
@assistantdogconsult
@assistantdogconsult 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure how we think it's a "game changer"....when you have to sit there for over 1 hour to get a 230 mile range. Why would anyone pick this over a gas/diesel vehicle at this point...?
@langraman8756
@langraman8756 3 жыл бұрын
The youtube social media trend for this car passed fast
@harryo6126
@harryo6126 3 жыл бұрын
LOL it really does sound like a tube train, when you open the door does it say "mind the gap"?
@FireSafetyStick
@FireSafetyStick 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like the love of sports cars runs in the family! Grandson likes it!
@scrubscriber4911
@scrubscriber4911 3 жыл бұрын
26 miles for £2.50 seems quite expensive...?
@thelifeofbatteries2603
@thelifeofbatteries2603 3 жыл бұрын
works out to around 60mpg which for a car like that is outstanding
@scrubscriber4911
@scrubscriber4911 3 жыл бұрын
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 agreed, it is a great car, still room for improvement, but that wasn’t the point. The charge was very costly, quick but expensive, worrying trend for the future.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 3 жыл бұрын
But you'd be happy if a taxi driver charged you £2.50 for a 26 miles journey? Just wondering.....
@scrubscriber4911
@scrubscriber4911 3 жыл бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh absolutely, but what about his time, wear and tear, depreciation, insurance, tax, servicing? This is just the cost of the fuel and it’s comparable to diesel/petrol if you do about 45-50mpg?
@Alfy1567
@Alfy1567 3 жыл бұрын
Saw this car today in Cornwall. Love the colour.
@maxnicholls7254
@maxnicholls7254 3 жыл бұрын
as someone who lives near a busy road the first few seconds of this video emphasise that virtually all the noise of a modern car is from overwide tyres on tarmac
@ckjlgp
@ckjlgp 3 жыл бұрын
Errrr....... £2.60 for 23 miles!!! My polo diesel is cheaper and quicker to fill
@BobElHat
@BobElHat 3 жыл бұрын
Your Polo is cheaper to run than a £100k Porsche? No way!
@oliverbrookes27
@oliverbrookes27 3 жыл бұрын
Thats what I thought. £5.20 for 46 miles is gallon of diesel money.
@wills2552
@wills2552 3 жыл бұрын
Probably best to compare the cost to a 500hp petrol car though which would be close to 3 times the cost per mile than the 500hp EV Taycan my 500hp X3M works out at around 30ppm for fuel vs the 11ppm shown for the Taycan as an example
@ckjlgp
@ckjlgp 3 жыл бұрын
@@BobElHat yes yes I get it , I should have compared it to my alcoholic Aston Martin V12 !!! It just surprised me how much you have to pay for electricity when your desperate
@ckjlgp
@ckjlgp 3 жыл бұрын
@@wills2552 when I compare it to my alcoholic V12 Aston Martin it’s not to bad , but I think it’s a bit pricey for electric
@JMartinni
@JMartinni 3 жыл бұрын
When talking about range, what's the ambient temperature like? If the video is recent it should be pretty cold, which explains why the range is lower.
@fraserwright9482
@fraserwright9482 3 жыл бұрын
The batteries and inverter are heated/cooled. So this shouldn't effect it.
@Clarkeyrules1
@Clarkeyrules1 3 жыл бұрын
The model s frequently does far worse than its epa rating whilst the Taycan always beats it. Tesla numbers don’t match real world
@olik136
@olik136 3 жыл бұрын
I used to have an electric mx-bike- that thing would run less than half when it got colder
@vinbar35
@vinbar35 3 жыл бұрын
This is something that I've been wondering about. What would the real world range be here in the UK from November to March given almost all commuting would be done in darkness and when it's cold and raining?
@danlovett2158
@danlovett2158 3 жыл бұрын
Mind the gap!! It does sound like a tube now you've said that.
@polattanoglu756
@polattanoglu756 3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful review. Thank you Harry ! I would love to drive this car but I don't think I would want to own one.
@Dark_Vader888
@Dark_Vader888 3 жыл бұрын
He was more complimentary of the Tesla Model 3 Performance except for the handling.
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