IGNORE THE BS! - Buy A Porsche Taycan!

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@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Cheap Lease Deals Here 🚗💰 leaselo.co/tcr-tv-porsche-taycan
@Jazzmaster71
@Jazzmaster71 28 күн бұрын
This video is a for you to feel good, even tough you know you lost 40% of your car worths the 1st year.
@Timmy-Hi5
@Timmy-Hi5 15 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣this is some funny shxxx🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
This video is not for me to feel anything, it’s not my car, it’s to actually talk about facts rather fiction
@sorinstefan6038
@sorinstefan6038 28 күн бұрын
I bought a 2020 taycan performance plus with 35k mailes for 39.5k with nice options. I’m so happy with it.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Very nice! Great car!
@jamesneil1584
@jamesneil1584 Ай бұрын
I completely agree with everything you said. Thank you. It's not just a 911 gateway car, though. I have 5 doors, 4 1/2 seats, roof rails, and a cycle carrier. It's my EV, soft roader, sports car, family car. I love driving it, and I am going to stop typing and take it out now, just for fun.
@paulhayes2189
@paulhayes2189 26 күн бұрын
James, it's a great car....it's not a sports car. Drive a mx5, lotus Elise etc...driving a light car is fun and sporty. The Porsche is great but hugely heavy and ultimately uncommunicative. my son just bought his first car..a 2011 Mégane Renault sport 2.0 turbo. It's a sportier and more fun drive than my Audi e Tron GT.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Thanks James! Much appreciated
@Lukey-jy4ez
@Lukey-jy4ez Ай бұрын
While VAT might not be listed on a second hand privately sold car, to say it’s just immediately excluded when buying a second hand car is not really correct. VAT is wrapped up in the depreciation costs over a few years.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
My point was that VAT makes a large amount of prices up, I understand it’s not listed but still included. What I was getting at is if you paid £100k for a car and kept it for a week then listed it for sale you wouldn’t get anywhere close what you paid for it
@user-kt1rm3hg8q
@user-kt1rm3hg8q 18 күн бұрын
@@TomShorrock The vat on a£100k car is £16670 not £20000. also the £20k in options has £3333 of vat in it. So you're not down to £60k , you're down to £66666.
@skiiddy
@skiiddy 4 сағат бұрын
I’ve been fortunate to live with 5 Cayennes and a hybrid Panamera. I had a loan Taycan for a week. You’re right, awesome acceleration but that’s about it. Couldn’t wait to get back in my V8 Cayenne.
@richardh3587
@richardh3587 Ай бұрын
Im in the US, so some of the details differ (jealous of you guys who are able to lease Taycans through salary sacrifice schemes). Here in the US, unless you work for Porsche, a taycan will cost a minimum of about $1500 for a lease on a base model. And that’s after various incentives. But like you guys there’s lots of snobbery and misinformation being spread by people who should know better. Atleast here, taycans seem to follow a similar depreciation curve as any German luxury sedan. Not sure why people get so bent out of shape about that. And I’d be more confident owning an older taycan than a panamera, macan or cayenne because EV drivetrains are inherently simpler and there’s an 8 year warranty on the battery
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
100% agree! There no hear box to brake on an EV
@JamaicanMeCrazy
@JamaicanMeCrazy 3 күн бұрын
​@@TomShorrockI've read in forums that quite a few of the great boxes break in those earlier taycans actually.. And that's a huge problem when anyone at all hears that cuz it's a problem where there doesn't need to be one.
@AliHussain-fz7pd
@AliHussain-fz7pd Күн бұрын
I live in the middle east, i bought one of these from the showroom, manager driven for 9000km, and sold to me for cost price. They took a $25k haircut on it from the retail price. I think it looks nice , drives well, and I'm obviously saving money on the petrol. I don't think it's a gateway car, personally. It's a Porsche for people that want an EV. Petrol prices in the UK are astronomical. The petrol bill will run up to 5 figures over 2 years.
@stephenclay6852
@stephenclay6852 27 күн бұрын
What a honest video for once. No click bait crap which can’t be said for the Mac master. I’ve stopped looking at his channel because of it. I’m with you on the Porsche I drive a Kia EV6 GT Line S and thought about the possibility of buying a used taycan but the two things that made me not buy one were the service / maintenance and insurance. But yes it’s a fantastic car a friend who lives just down the road from me has the turbo s modal. It was raved by the motoring press when launched and it’s still the same car. Your right on options some can loose you money and others just make the car that bit more desirable for the used buyer. But you the new owner take the hit. Once again a great video thanks.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Cheers dude! And the EV6 is another great car!
@ag_a3346
@ag_a3346 20 күн бұрын
Finally.....a superb video made by someone who clearly understands how the car market works as well as the good & expanding Electric charging infustracture! I don't own any Porsche but am a huge fan of the EV market and extremely surprised about the negativity towards EV cars. Thank you for taking the time and making a very balanced video. 🙌
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
No problem at all! It’s very easy for people to have a sheep mentality and followed the BS that is spread about EV’s
@erinator1703
@erinator1703 22 күн бұрын
I was looking for an EV for my family and by chance stumbled up on a Porsche Taycan. I was looking at an BMW i5 as an alternative which costs me the same amount of money but if we face it. If you got the chance to buy a 2 year old Porsche for the same amount of money you gotta be an idiot not to do so. The estimation that batteries depreciate over time is obviously true but so are ICEs. A used petrol engine doesn't deliver the same power as a new one anymore and there's way more parts that can fail. It's more the fear of change that keeps people from buying EVs and than there's the usual shit talking without ever understanding the topic. In the end it's similar to the stock market. Buy low, sell high. When everybody is in fear it's the best time to do so and the time for EVs is now.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Very true! My mate has an 8 year old Tesla model S with 120k miles on it and it still charges up to 235mile range
@MrMishaBelov
@MrMishaBelov Күн бұрын
Mate your comment scares me, exactly in the same situation! I was about to take a 2023 bmw but eventually ended up buying 2022 taycan cs… , drives perfectly fine for me🙌🏻😅
@andreatanzi3191
@andreatanzi3191 12 сағат бұрын
I drive one since three years (..) Do not hesitate, the car is simply stunning (..) Depreciation will settle ..
@Lkpumpin
@Lkpumpin 3 күн бұрын
I’m subscribed to you right now. We need honest people like you around. I’m an EV owner for nearly two years and I’ve not looked back, Best decision! New 400+ mile range Taycan will most likely be next car
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 2 күн бұрын
Thank you! Much appreciated, I’m just a normal guy that doesn’t listen to the BS and does my own research 💪🏻
@josephlitavis5873
@josephlitavis5873 Ай бұрын
How does your analysis compare to USA market for same vehicle, same specifications and ancillary costs, maintenance, and depreciation?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
US is always cheaper
@charliestafford9978
@charliestafford9978 2 күн бұрын
I’m seriously tempted by one of these. I think the scaremongering still has some way to go though so maybe they will drop a bit more. I’m retiring soon so it will see me out I’m sure
@aligizzle69
@aligizzle69 28 күн бұрын
Reckon it’ll drop further now the facelift is available?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 28 күн бұрын
It’s quite possible
@sportspriceanalysis416
@sportspriceanalysis416 28 күн бұрын
tbf to the macmaster his review of the Taycan second gen is quite favourable. So I think buy a 1st gen, no, but 2nd gen yes. Where does the 5% battery depletion come from, do you have a source for this?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
This is what the manufacturers state mate
@motorcyclewhippet
@motorcyclewhippet 10 күн бұрын
How do you find going over speed bumps? Is it possible 🤷‍♂️
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Totally fine no issues so long as you don’t go will quick
@Youppp
@Youppp 7 күн бұрын
Interesting video. You keep having a go at Lee. But then you say the Tycan if purchased would be a gateway into Porsche as if it's some miracle car solution it's not. The Tycan is a complex high functioning EV that will suck your finances dry. However, a Porsche Plugin hybrid could be the way to go. Your unscientific poll of charging stations was simply nonsense. Spouting only the good about EVs is why people don't buy them because real-world usage is a long way from the rose-coloured view you state here.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Not having ago a Lee, just pointing out his misinformation
@JK-NOT-JK
@JK-NOT-JK 28 күн бұрын
You need to do more miles on the moors rather than Mosley / Ashton etc. Agree re Taycan 2nd hand. Previous owner of mine lost £50k deprecation. I bought it through my co, came with a Porsche warranty until end 2026. It’s still depreciating but lower corp tax and putting other costs through the co offsets most of this. For now at least. It’s great to drive but terrible to park - bigger than a VW camper van!
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Great purchase
@davidmuir2546
@davidmuir2546 17 күн бұрын
Yep we have self charging hybrid and agree they are great and more likely to be the future.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
💪🏻💪🏻
@gunhoogunsd1
@gunhoogunsd1 16 күн бұрын
and how much need to pay annually for maintenance?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’m not to sure I think it varies dependant on what agreement to go for. However bare in mind there is not oil changes needed etc
@TheWill76
@TheWill76 11 күн бұрын
Trying to decide on a 4S or a 718 both on 20 plates and similar 50k mark 🤔
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
718 cayman GTS is a better drivers car than a 911 in my opinion
@samcoatham2400
@samcoatham2400 24 күн бұрын
My Taycan CT TS is an amazing vehicle. Great video
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Thankyou
@formula1fancolorado632
@formula1fancolorado632 17 күн бұрын
250 mile range is unacceptable at that price point. That's a big reason why it ain't selling.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Is it really? How often do you drive 250 miles in one journey ?
@CarsofGlasgow
@CarsofGlasgow Ай бұрын
Great video and very informative. I like an EV, however the thing that puts me off a Taycan in particular is a combination of the service costs and I have seen sub 3 year cars with £50k battery replacements :/
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, and thanks for the feedback, like I said Porsche offer 8year warranty on the batteries and motor, so if they fail after 3 years it shouldn’t be a chargeable repair 💪🏻
@CarsofGlasgow
@CarsofGlasgow Ай бұрын
@@TomShorrock yeah I appreciate your depth of knowledge into this. It was just my experience. Regardless of car I always like to ask if it’s a car that the person would pay cash for?🤔
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Personally I disagree with paying for cars cash due to depreciation etc, I think leasing is the way forward if you like to change your car every 2-3 years. However if you like to keep cars than cash is definitely the way forward
@CarsofGlasgow
@CarsofGlasgow Ай бұрын
Thanks for your message, my question is 'would you pay X for car Y'. I am thinking in terms of value as a lot of cars are £50k plus now and dont seem like good value. Regarding leasing, outwith a couple of company cars years, I have always bought cash. Just the way I was brought up.
@CarsofGlasgow
@CarsofGlasgow Ай бұрын
@@TomShorrock ps just trying to have a car chat, I don't want an online argument or anything 😄
@ClassicMinishorts
@ClassicMinishorts Ай бұрын
For me if you can home charge you can do so on a night tariff at 7.5p it's worth it. Imagine a £75k ipace for £30k with 8k miles 18 months dealer warranty and 6.5 years battery warranty.... It's not that scary to choose this a d thats a premium EV
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
I totally agree! My biggest fear however is when the energy companies start to ramp the price up it will become more expensive than diesel & petrol. Speaking of which motorway services are nearing £2.00 per litre again …
@ClassicMinishorts
@ClassicMinishorts Ай бұрын
@@TomShorrock that's when you have to go for home solar to keep a lid on these companies! So essentially for cost effective EV ownership likely you need to be a wealthy person with off street parking and solar and the economics of it will be propped up by the average car owner who may have to use public charging or grid electricity.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Very true! Sadly here in the UK we don’t get enough sunlight to make solar payback times shorter
@justinreeve7437
@justinreeve7437 23 күн бұрын
Great video, someone talking sense at last. I'm not sure why people think they're cool or informed when they dump on EV's.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Totally agree! And thanks for dropping a comment 💪🏻
@244col
@244col 22 күн бұрын
The dirt sayer to which you refer has always maintained his Taycan is a great car. It's the cost of owning one he is not so keen on.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I agree he has, but most people will read his ridiculous titles and look no further and take it as fact
@morten_hannesbo
@morten_hannesbo 29 күн бұрын
Good video, but... the VAT is not 20,000, it is 16,600. And the leasing companies calculate the value of options with 50% of new value, unless it is a really unique 1-of-1 option. Best regards from a Taycan 4S owner.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I figured I got the vat wrong, due to getting the video out quick, however, it’s still a good car
@morten_hannesbo
@morten_hannesbo 7 күн бұрын
@@TomShorrock agree!
@Richoright
@Richoright 24 күн бұрын
I’m considering leasing a Taycan 4s through the company car scheme but you would have to be a lunatic to buy one new due to the depreciation.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Very true
@RB-lt8kt
@RB-lt8kt 27 күн бұрын
The issue is the car costs on average £100k and it only does 230 miles approx on a charge (newer version more but costs more). Yes all new car lose 20% vat. The other issue is the battery will degrade with time and how you charge it. Average range summer 230 miles but winter 20 to 30% less. All electric car battery warranties state the battery has to drop below 70% capacity before it is replaced. Some manufacturers fit reconditioned batteries and NOT new ones. A 93kwh Taycan battery is £45000. In 10 years if you keep your Taycan you could spend £100k plus £45k. You also can't take the car to anyone but Porsche to fix it. Cabin heaters common recall but after 3 years / out of warranty expect over £3000 to fix. It is a brilliant car but a lemon.
@jameslane3312
@jameslane3312 8 күн бұрын
Porsche extended warranty is £1k per year up to 14 years old
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I hate to say it mate but I did cover all this in the video did you watch it all ?
@RB-lt8kt
@RB-lt8kt 7 күн бұрын
@@jameslane3312 So you pay an extra £14,000 unless they choose not to accept your car ? Will the parts be available for a mk 1 Taycan in 14 years ? Nope.
@jameslane3312
@jameslane3312 7 күн бұрын
@@RB-lt8kt are the parts available for 14 year old cars today. Yep!
@RB-lt8kt
@RB-lt8kt 6 күн бұрын
@@jameslane3312 Yes many. You can buy classic car parts for cars 20 years old. I know several people buying new parts for ww2 jeeps in the UK. You mentioned 14 years but ev technology is changing so fast parts will no longer be made. Tesla and VW group will not allow you to buy aftermarket parts so where will you get the parts from ?
@ukpipeline
@ukpipeline Ай бұрын
Say you buy a well depreciated one… what’s the servicing and insurance like compared to whatever is an equivalent piston car?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Insurance is cheaper due to all the anti collision systems it has, and the servicing is minimal, just brakes & health checks, no oil changes needed etc
@heikorudi6105
@heikorudi6105 Ай бұрын
get the approved insurance and you're good
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 Ай бұрын
​@@TomShorrockbatteries buggy software ElectricAl systems software.
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 Ай бұрын
Civic type r value went up
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 Ай бұрын
5 percent battery dehydration in 8 years, right ?
@kempez
@kempez Ай бұрын
Well done, finally a reasonable video explaining how this actually works, how good these cars are and one that takes the BS and throws it in the bin. I'll continue enjoying my Taycan for a few years yet 😁
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! And glad you agree! I suppose positivity spreads slower than negativity 🤷‍♂️
@eingast7798
@eingast7798 29 күн бұрын
Bought my used Taycan Turbo at 119k€, new list price 214k€: 2yrs 10000km. Absolutely happy with it.
@MrDead1975
@MrDead1975 28 күн бұрын
now worth about 55k
@Jazzmaster71
@Jazzmaster71 28 күн бұрын
Offcourse you are because you need to convince yourself that you didn't buy the cat i the bag. It's kinda mental self protection to live in denial. Denial that you have thrown 10th of thousands of pounds on a car that you're now stuck with.
@eingast7798
@eingast7798 28 күн бұрын
​@@Jazzmaster71what do you mean "stuck with"?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Great car dude!
@mentallyuntouchable2918
@mentallyuntouchable2918 7 күн бұрын
@@eingast7798 ignore the troll, he's probably patting himself on the back while he's riding his clapped out civic
@jomo2483
@jomo2483 29 күн бұрын
It's the best time to buy a performance electric cars, or any electric cars. In a few years they'll do the BMW thing and get crazy expensive again, for the well built ones. Also get the 4 cylinder AMG. It's a future classic. It has a Formula one engine for starters.
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 26 күн бұрын
the four pot will have it's neck wrung in under 50k miles. Have the bits boosted out of it by the turbo in no time at all.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
💪🏻💪🏻
@wizzyno1566
@wizzyno1566 20 күн бұрын
Macmaster is right though, given how much his car has lost in value. But used ones look like a bargain as well. Two things can be true at once.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Mac master is true about the depreciation but it certainly isn’t worth scrap value like he states in his title
@SpiderMacKenzie
@SpiderMacKenzie 27 күн бұрын
I drive a 2020 Audi RS4 & have been watching videos of both sides of argument. Around Dec 2023 I stopped at a service station in Dundee on way to my home town Aberdeen. I noticed a fellow Audi RS car owner. The gent had an Audi RS e-tron at the charger. I visited the service station shop & loo. Some 10-15 mins later the guy was still at the charger. I was keen to hear his own experience first hand. This is what he said - He previously owned a RS4 like mine however now for around a year owned this Audi e-tron RS. He averages around 800 miles a week. So has had considerable experience. He like me lived in north east Scotland & drives all over Scotland. He was currently heading back from the central belt & had stopped to charge his car. His car was wonderful to drive but there were issues. EG in winter the range is less than 200 miles. He had just spent 15mins on the phone to the charge network company who apparently did have his credit card details but yet he needed to load credit. This type of issue was not uncommon. He reported that in the last year of ownership he had slept 5 times in the car. Recently when stoping to recharge he had to go to 4 chargers before one worked. Then the charge was so slow it took over two hours. Yet again he slept in his car. From what I heard he wouldn’t buy one again as they simply as the car range & in particular the infrastructure in Scotland just isn’t there. More electric cars are appearing on the roads & there’s now less even less chance of getting a charger. Sure no’s of chargers are increasing but the increase of EV’s is much more. If you live in Scotland. Have charging facilities at home & don’t do long journeys. An EV might work for you but for him they simply don’t work. This is also where I have reached in my thinking. Maybe in the future if there’s a much better network of fast chargers + a genuine 300 mile range (not charge at 70 of 80 % of this) I’d make the switch however for now an EV for me is simply not a viable alternative.
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 26 күн бұрын
This rep should have bought a Tesla and not an Audi - problem solved. And the car would have been ten grand + cheaper. Please don't allude to the incorrect assertion that "all EVs are the same" because the etron was a particular turd you could not even roll in glitter.
@SpiderMacKenzie
@SpiderMacKenzie 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts. Like you I’ve come to understand that Tesla’s have the edge on range. Can I ask what your thoughts are on the charging network, in particular Scotland? From what I gather unless you can charge at home. Trying to get around much of Scotland & in particular rural Scotland one is going to struggle. Even the gent I met described how at times it took a few goes to find a working charger. Maybe in time the network will be there however if I want to drive from NE Scotland to a west coast Island. I’m thinking I’m may well struggle to find chargers on route or at my destination. Let alone ones which are fast chargers?
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 22 күн бұрын
@@SpiderMacKenzie We recently took a trip round the Scottish Borders, Edinburgh way and Berwick on Tweed. Up from Milton Keynes and back via the A1. There are chargers all over the place on the A1 and more going in. As for Scotland, we did not have any problems. We mostly used Tesla super chargers, which ALWAYS work, you don't need a special card or anything and some are open to non Tesla, but we also used EV power near the hotel [7 brand new 150kw stalls] and a couple of 50kw "Electrify Scotland" chargers we found in small car parks like in wonderful Melrose town. We did no come across anything that did not work. Amazing dead straight up and down old Roman Roads. We also drove through the Northumberland National Park via the A68. There were just no problems at all with charging. The car is easily capable of 300+ miles though at non motorway speeds. We just charged when we could - the Tesla car mapping has all chargers that are not "locked in" with special cards, but we invariably stopped because we had to, not the car. Maybe I have been lucky but also did a 1,000 mile round trip to the North West of Ireland and back - charging just was not a problem. Even overnight on a 13 amp socket at my Uncle's house gave 100+ miles. It is a differing mindset. I only ever had one issue public charging and that was a 50kw charger we found near the Holyhead Ferry Terminal - it started charging ok but stopped 10 mins later. We called the helpline and they rebooted it remotely and it was then fine. For some reason it would only give me instructions in Welsh but figured it out. I discovered later there were even (free) chargers I could have used on the Stena line Ferry. Finally, I strongly recommend a site like abetterrouteplanner or zapmap if your car does not have something suitable like the Tesla mapping. If you have to use a car for work - swallow your pride and get a Tesla, they are longer range, best charging, best value and super reliable. Local Pizza shops round here use Model 3 to deliver Pizzas and that is purely because they are the cheapest delivery vans you can get. I also know the popular MG5 Estate is well liked by people who have to drive for a living. There are also ODB2 dongles you can get that work with charger mapping [example TRONITY] using your phone or apple / android car link that will show your car range in real time and organise your route and charging stops automatically (Teslas do this anyway and probably other cars too). you tube video of someone going from UK to the boot of Italy in an e208 illustrating the real time charge data / mapping : kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIaop2uGjM9gadU
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
🔥
@Gez492
@Gez492 27 күн бұрын
I bought a Etron GT and it is a totally brilliant thing people actually walk up and tell you how stunning it is. Easily better looking than the Taycan in my view a better interior. I waited until the dealership were on the point of not making theire quota got more than 15k off the new car and included the Ohme Pro home charger and installation as well as the Audi charging discount card similar to the Porsche one and a few extras on the car thrown in. I changed from a stunning 50 tdi A7 vorsprung and as much as we loved that car, the Etron GT is the better drive. I can charge on the octopus smart tariff from 20 to 80% for between 3 to 4 quid. I have no road tax to pay where as my A7 was £580 and I pay £700 on a 3 year PCP. I am intending to change the car at 2 years. Oh and I get free servicing! So Its far from a disaster and that acceleration and sound pack never ever gets old.
@ianmichael8117
@ianmichael8117 13 күн бұрын
not even close to the Taycan in the looks departmenr and all Audi interiors are horrible IMO. Both cars suffer horrendous depreciation but I would choose a used Taycan over the Etron all day long.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Great car and deal dude!
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
All EVs suffer horrendous depreciation, and it’s the incentives to buy them that cause it, I did mention all this in the video…
@Gez492
@Gez492 7 күн бұрын
@TomShorrock Yes, Tom, I fully understand and appreciate what you've set out, but for me, the depreciation is more or less offset by the incentives and im saving a a signifcant amount in running costs. Your Informative appraisal is appreciated nonetheless.
@Gez492
@Gez492 7 күн бұрын
@ianmichael8117 Each to his own, I guess, and I did say "in my view" but also my exoerience of having driven both. I spent time with the equivalent Taycan from the dealer and also the two variants of Etron GT. I didn't consider the RS as significantly superior to the GT, so I opted for the Etron GT over the RS and Taycan based on driving over a couple of weekends and family reactions to both cars both went in favour of the Etron GT. I prefer their approach to the dash and driving at night, the headlights were significantly better than Taycan, as were the asthetics again in mine and the fam's opinion. At least I got to drive 3 versons of the cars before choosing, and I don't regret anything. I'm a former ysed 911 owner, and my daughter currently runs a Macan GTS, so we get Porsche but on this occasion the Audi won us over in its Daytona pearl paint and Black styling pack it is so sculpted, it picks up the light from all angles, particularly the rear and rear quarter. Both are great cars, though, and very little to choose between them.
@harryarteza3435
@harryarteza3435 Күн бұрын
Its 2035 now - not 2030 re: Manu having to make Electrics.
@adogmcdizzle
@adogmcdizzle Ай бұрын
Your main points apply to all vehicles. (VAT and Optional extras) What you need to have done is compare the depreciation against other comparable combustion cars, that would be a better way to make the point - and I believe you can make good points in that regard, the Panamera is combustion Porsche which is similar to the Taycan, and those depreciate pretty heavily too... as do most luxury saloons in that segment. You are dead right about the incentives for new ones though - Shame its damaging the credibility of EVs in the minds of the public, if we let the free market do its job that would be much better for the second hand values. You also might want to have declared that Porsche didn't pay you to make this video. 🙂
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Porsche don’t pay anyone to review their cars, nor does any car manufacturer, it’s common knowledge
@adogmcdizzle
@adogmcdizzle 7 күн бұрын
@@TomShorrock I was being tongue in cheek.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
@@adogmcdizzle fair play
@bobkrinsky2117
@bobkrinsky2117 5 күн бұрын
Sorry, but this is unique to Taycan. When it comes to Porsche the 911 holds, maintains or it's value grows more often than losing value. I bought a 2015 991.1 GTS and sold it after a few years for 20K more than I paid, my Taycan cost 150K and is worth , maybe 70K, unacceptable.. The range has also dropped substantally. Not a great value...
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 4 күн бұрын
It’s not unique to Taycan, it’s due to the government incentives that accelerates the depreciation, ask yourself if the government offered a salary sacrifice scheme or 2% BIK on a 911, you would find the 911’s depreciate exactly the same
@69lol69
@69lol69 23 күн бұрын
Ah buy a porsche taycan used its really cheap! *Transmission Warning appears OH SHIEEEET
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Is this a personal experience ?
@TheOBDcompany
@TheOBDcompany 28 күн бұрын
Great video! So true that the Taycan is an entry drug to a 911
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@ClassicCarCave
@ClassicCarCave Ай бұрын
Tom, I‘m not a fan of the all electric cars but I do believe they have a place & a market. I also don‘t understand why the hybrids which in my opinion was the best way to get the driving population turn on to EVs pardon the pun weren't developed even more than they were 🤔 I think we are being pushed into EVs without really having a full understanding of the long term issues with batteries and disposal by governments that also don't understand the issues. Top video. Cheers Dave
@richardn2832
@richardn2832 Ай бұрын
They look great, But there the size of a transit van!
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
I agree Dave, I think they are more aimed at non car enthusiasts, plus when the tax benefits disappear I think less people will drive them
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
They are huge, but you also save on servicing etc
@johncranston4051
@johncranston4051 24 күн бұрын
brilliant car but the dealer won't take them back in part x
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’ve heard about this
@davidc6997
@davidc6997 5 күн бұрын
So the value of options added to a Porsche becomes worthless straight away... It follows then that if all these added features were included as standard, they would not become worthless 😵‍💫 Something wrong with your logic here mate 🙃
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 4 күн бұрын
There isn’t something wrong with my logic, do you seriously think paying 10k in options adds 10k into the used price? Don’t get me wrong it does help the value slightly but certainly not to the full amount you paid
@Maxa21Million
@Maxa21Million 24 күн бұрын
I don't think people are snobs, I think the average person looking for a family car doesn't want 600hp as the insurance is insane. Then if you are looking for a performance car you want one that makes a noise! Without the tax incentive for businesses they wouldn't have sold have as many Taycans.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
And that’s exactly the point in my video
@wrutherfordx3x
@wrutherfordx3x 9 күн бұрын
Great video pal. Past the BS.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Thankyoy
@attcars7612
@attcars7612 23 күн бұрын
Does anyone actually "buy" one of these? Surely 99% are effectively rented (PCP or lease).
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Probably not, only government or tax incentives
@mattx4253
@mattx4253 8 күн бұрын
Terrible reliability though. Expect to be treated like shit by porsch and stuck side of the road with total loss of power
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
If you’re talking from personal experience, I really can’t comment on this, I can only pass on my views from having a press car.
@EcoFP33
@EcoFP33 22 күн бұрын
Good to see objective comments in a video. Macmaster has to be one of the biggest liars about. He is either doing it for clicks or has shares in oil companies.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I agree he certainly exaggerates but he’s still probably a nice guy
@marklambert2750
@marklambert2750 28 күн бұрын
Madness…. £4,000 for cooling fans not covered under warranty unless you buy new
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Said this to a couple of people, I can’t comment on issues like this having only had the car for a week
@wizzyno1566
@wizzyno1566 20 күн бұрын
The vat has nothing to do with depreciation. Thats just nonsense. As proof ALL of what you say in terms of options and VAT applies to a 911 as well. And yet they lose less than half as much as a Taycan.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Did you miss the bit where I explained why EV’s lose money than most cars? It’s because of the government incentives, apply these to a 911 and you’re in the same boat.
@xpivelx
@xpivelx 28 күн бұрын
Finally someone speaking the truth!
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Thank you! Glad your think so
@MrDead1975
@MrDead1975 28 күн бұрын
heater failures, cracking rear lights, poor range and efficiency, multiple recalls. I'll pass
@DreDresChapters
@DreDresChapters 27 күн бұрын
Snob 😭🤣
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Again, I can’t comment on this I don’t own one
@user-jt4fy4od9r
@user-jt4fy4od9r 26 күн бұрын
If you are listening to the MacMaster then you are just copying someone else's homework and hoping they know what they have written down. This goes for any car or any opinion. Ask an Arsenal fan what he thinks of Manchester United "You know they really are smashing with the ball in the midfield and so much better than us when it comes to the back four". It's never gonna happen - do your OWN homework and make your OWN decisions. Like a proper MacMaster. I mean grown up.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’m not listening to the Macmaster, I’m telling people to do exactly what you say
@robertpawley5715
@robertpawley5715 Ай бұрын
Absolutely correct. At last someone intelligent and not full of merda. Liked and subscribed
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
That’s dude! Appreciate it
@geetarz1
@geetarz1 22 күн бұрын
This guy doesn’t understand how VAT works. And the nonsense about how easy it is to do long journeys in an EV is pure fairytale. If you’re a private buyer choosing a new car, don’t even consider an EV unless you want to bonfire cash. If you’re a company car user or a salary sacrifice buyer, you’re probably going to go EV because it’s tax efficient (and hopefully your other half has an ICE vehicle for winter use/long runs). The only time an EV makes a half decent proposition for a private buyer is when it’s halved in value after less than 2 years. And yes, they are disposable… if you drop £40k on a 2 or 3 year old ICE car, nothing can fail after 5 or 6 years that will cost more than its value to repair. If the battery pack in an EV fails or its range starts dropping to unusable levels (eg less than 200 miles in the winter), you’re stuck scrapping it, or dropping massive money on a new battery 🤷‍♂️
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Ok I may have got the VAT wrong, but ask yourself a question. Would you be righting this comment if I didn’t? My whole video is about explaining why they lose money and the main reason in the government incentives
@Neomet010
@Neomet010 28 күн бұрын
The reason I still shy away from EVs is the tech is still developing so quickly. What is state of the art today could well be a broken wagon wheel in three years. I am a cash buyer though (US) so picking up a near.new Taycan at an already hugely depreciated price is quite appealing.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
It is, but it also currently very good
@Natak222
@Natak222 28 күн бұрын
"Over 8 years, the batteries will only deplete 5%" 💀💀💀💀 - I don't mind people playing contrarian and going against the grain but c'mon atleast do your research mate. Can't even continue the video if you're uninformed on this fact alone. This comes from someone who's owned over 4 electric cars. Tesla included
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’m only telling you what the manufactures tell me
@Makta972
@Makta972 27 күн бұрын
Humm no
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Humm why?
@mattx4253
@mattx4253 8 күн бұрын
This is such a bad review of bad information it’s laughable. The battery warranty is 70% life not 95%. The vat thing is totally stupid. That’s not how depreciation works at all. You can sell a new car for more than retail sometimes or you could lose less than 10% in a year so for god sake shut up about your bad vat calculations. You also clearly Have no idea just how bad the reliability has been on the Taycans. That’s also made deprecation even worse. The only reason to even consider one is the business use case. Nobody should ever buy one for personal use only.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’m just putting forward the other side of the argument
@KeatB
@KeatB 28 күн бұрын
People aren’t buying second hand EVs for the reason you stated, it’s actually cheaper to buy a new one through salary sacrifice. Also, who wants an EV out of warranty.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
This is what I stated, I said that’s why nobody is buying them used
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 Ай бұрын
You will own nothing and be happy. WEF. By design.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Haha! I’ve heard this before
@icecorner87
@icecorner87 7 күн бұрын
dont by that shit car
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 6 күн бұрын
Rude
@WFO.
@WFO. 23 күн бұрын
Buy a 911. They barely depreciate here in the USA.
@EcoFP33
@EcoFP33 22 күн бұрын
Errrm. That's not very good for a daily driver (environmental concerns are factored in). I am sure most Americans just don't care I hope I am wrong.
@WFO.
@WFO. 22 күн бұрын
@@EcoFP33 The 911 is a perfect daily driver. Give it a go and see. As for the environment, we Americans do care a lot. Ever visited our vast and beautiful national parks?
@toughkix6910
@toughkix6910 8 күн бұрын
@@WFO.you bring up national parks as proof that americans care about the environment? 😂 Come ooooon 😂
@WFO.
@WFO. 8 күн бұрын
@@toughkix6910 What country are you from and live in?
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
They don’t in the UK also
@Tigerex966
@Tigerex966 Ай бұрын
Its all of their fault.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
💪🏻
@davidfisher2359
@davidfisher2359 28 күн бұрын
No thanks.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Yes please
@alivekicking6247
@alivekicking6247 28 күн бұрын
EVs are BORING. They make no noises (or crap noise). They have no soul. Doesn't matter how fast they accelerate in a straight line, they're nowhere near as much fun as a petrol high performance car.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Try the Ionic 5N and you’ll change your mind
@alivekicking6247
@alivekicking6247 7 күн бұрын
@TomShorrock No. It sounds like a car from Pole Position on an 80s Commodore 64. Nice concept, but still not acceptable.
@RB-lt8kt
@RB-lt8kt 27 күн бұрын
£680 a month with tyres ??????? Tyres are £300 each. Leasing an EV to save the planet is a stupid.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
The average car payment in the UK is £500 a month… that’s scary
@DanDavies741
@DanDavies741 Ай бұрын
I think I'll believe the bull, in all fairness, electric cars are not the way forward, that's why manufacturers are moving away from electric and back to making small turbo engines.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
My point is I’m highlighting a positive in a negative situation, now is your chance to get a cheap Porsche
@DanDavies741
@DanDavies741 Ай бұрын
@TomShorrock Oh yeah, but they're cheap for a reason because no one wants them, not even the dealers want them anymore, especially now when insurance companies will just write them off due to the fact that the batteries cost more than what the car's worth.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
@@DanDavies741 not quite sure if you watched the full video, but I do explain why they are cheap and nobody wants them
@MuppetsSh0w
@MuppetsSh0w Ай бұрын
Ah yes we will drive gasoline cars indefenitely. Please share more of your wisdom with us.
@MuppetsSh0w
@MuppetsSh0w Ай бұрын
Of course he didn't watch the video. He is a modern zombie shaped by clickbait headlines, 5 second attention span and lack fo critical thinking skills.
@Jazzmaster71
@Jazzmaster71 28 күн бұрын
Nope, will never buy a car that still depriciate 25% every year after the first 35% 1st year.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Hate to say it mate, all new cars depreciate…
@jerdonsbabbler3515
@jerdonsbabbler3515 26 күн бұрын
Errr…let me think, now…uhh, NO!
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Why?
@idiocracyBonanza
@idiocracyBonanza 26 күн бұрын
What a nonsense
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
Certainly isn’t. Clearly haven’t watched the whole video
@bumblebee9288
@bumblebee9288 Ай бұрын
Ignore the truth???No wonder you have no subscribers 😂😂😂
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
I forgot 17k equates to zero…
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock Ай бұрын
You also clearly haven’t watched the full video, if you think I’m suggesting to “ignore the truth”
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 28 күн бұрын
I’m considering a Taycan, but they’re nowhere as exciting to drive or as quick as a decent ICE car. The subscription model is a joke and they’re not what you would call reliable. Range is also very poor.
@ianmichael8117
@ianmichael8117 13 күн бұрын
Not as quick as a decent ICE car? Are you joking? I wouldn't buy one at the moment and will stick with a 2024 Macan GTS for now. But, having driven a Taycan 4S, there aint many ICE cars quicker and as for the Turbo S......
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 13 күн бұрын
@@ianmichael8117 No hiding the weight. Total lack of drama for me. Acceleration gets old quick and range is awful even if you drive like a nun. Top end of rev range on something like a r8 v10 will never be matched by a EV. That’s why the Rimac failed. EV’s work best as nippy city cars. Range should be the priority not performance. The power delivery in a Taycan coupled with its mass is nauseating.
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 13 күн бұрын
Even a m3 xdrive is a sub 3 second car now.
@TomShorrock
@TomShorrock 7 күн бұрын
I’m sorry, but the acceleration on a EV is unbeatable by an ICE car
@kevinkeelan354
@kevinkeelan354 7 күн бұрын
@@TomShorrock I’m sorry. That’s total bullshit. This is cheaper than the Tesla including the twin turbo kit kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIi0knShjsyZqrssi=w19P6DvAjZ85HRTw
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