BMW M2 CS on-road review. Worth the £23k premium over the M2 Competition?

[@verdict1163]

The curb weights are such a great addition to these videos. Real world curb weights are not an easy piece of information to come by, even from manufacturers, so the fact that Harry has his own scales and weighs each car is massively valuable.

[@Hypersonik]

Harry's scales need a bit of calibration methinks.

[@Ariskot007]

@@Hypersonik Massive weight savings vs identical claimed weight as Competition = homologation reasons. It is not so easy as publish some number in the brochure these days...

[@Hypersonik]

@@Ariskot007 Harry had the Boxster GTS on there weighing 1285kg IIRC. No, just no.

[@Hypersonik]

@@FalconXE302 They can be out by upto 100kg

[@xxxDoctorZxxx]

sportauto weighed a DKG one at 1588kg w/ a full tank.

[@LboroWick]

Harry and Ian Tyrrell complete my weekend.

[@Inazuma68]

Yes they do

[@Peter-Oxley-Modelling-Lab]

Well said, Sir.👍🏻

[@AleksandrHalas]

Yes agree!!!

[@johnsmith1474]

Tyrrell has failed video skills and a tiring stuffiness about his whale like self to go with his good knowledge. Harry is like the perfect party guest.

[@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing]

Matts offroad recovery can be enjoyable also, nice scenery and good people

[@Gentleman...Driver]

As with all cars: Do I need it? No. Do I want it? Maybe. Can I afford it? Hell, no!

[@G4RY1159]

But we should never stop dreaming

[@Xav911]

Harry, could you do a last dance with a Lotus Elise before it goes away ?

[@tiitsaul9036]

You seem to be the only one who cares about cars weight. Most enthusiast talk about power and features, but you focus on the most important spec, the weight. Thanks for sharing

[@nessuno5403]

... and this is where the new G80 M3/M4 fails

[@tiitsaul9036]

nes suno I would say all new cars fail at weight. Maybe Mazda mx5 passes the weight test. 1400 kg+ with plenty of expensive carbon parts seems ridiculous to me. Only way to light drivers car is to go back in time. E30 can be modified fairly easily to under 1000kg. E30 don’t have all the bells and whistles of a modern car, but technology weigh a lot. Then again, 60s sports cars, like lotus Elan, make E30 look like an elephant.

[@nessuno5403]

@@tiitsaul9036 I agree, but with more regulatory requirements and people wanting more features... fat chance! Incidentally, the carbon here is all cosmetic except for the roof and very expensive carbon brakes option! The M2 CS Racing for track, does without the heavy dampers or carbon bonnet or carbon brakes. On the M2 Competition, you can spec both a carbon roof and bonnet so it's lighter if you give up on the CS option of carbon brakes (standard are steel).

[@doyle201206]

The thing I like about Harry driving a manual car is his smooth quick gear changes opposed to other KZbin ‘road testers’ who snap and jerk the change, they haven’t got the idea of yaw and balanced drive..

[@JerseyPB]

The M2 is what the M3 used to be. Great review, as ever.

[@jeremyb4493]

I saw an m2 comp for the first time yesterday, I was sitting behind it in traffic. I couldn't believe how wide it was and the overall size, especially being a 2 door and 2 series. It seems an ideal size car for what it is.

[@alexmartinez280]

It’s a car that looks perfectly sized in person.

[@tommihommi1]

Certainly would rather have this than the new M4

[@PietroShitzberg]

I’d rather have chlamydia than the new M3/M4.

[@ProbablyJames]

@@PietroShitzberg I’ve got both, the carbon buckets are nice

[@ProbablyJames]

I have, the Mrs likes the car

[@becauseiwasinverted7971]

@@ProbablyJames Good luck with the clap mate. I thought you'd be driving company car from Merc, not BMW?

[@ProbablyJames]

@@becauseiwasinverted7971 🤣🤣

[@DaleSteel]

They don't want to admit the massive weight difference between this and the very heavy NEW M3M4

[@ianmichaelbryant2643]

I weighed my original manual M2 which came with forged wheels as std at 1445Kg with half a tank of fuel .... I know it's not as powerful and it's not a proper M car blah blah ..... just saying! :)

[@Fiwek23452]

@@ianmichaelbryant2643 bro the OG M2 with the N55 engine is the best M2 and bmw ever made.. i love the look of the OG M2 in long Beach blue or just black

[@TrueFilter]

Tbf this is a CS and a class down. Also what is the true weight of both?

[@chesspiece81]

Germans are learning what Americans learned in the 50s. Grilles and Chrome is heavy AF

[@doderiolarkisso4038]

@@Fiwek23452 The best bmw ever made? Reachin..

[@nickpage2949]

It’s what my mum would call “a bit dear.”

[@djb4069]

And Nick your mum is nearly always right my late Mum was .

[@mantarayal]

HAAA...excellent mate. Mine too.

[@BillCarrIpswich]

Show her the value of M3 CSLs today Vs a standard M3 and I'm sure she'll change her tune.

[@matthewlewis2072]

"A bloody rip off!"

[@Chris-nj1mr]

Yes dear

[@patrickhinds]

2x HG videos and a Tyrell's Workshop. What a weekend

[@FootToPedal]

Must say, I've been quite concerned about BMW's brand direction in recent times, as have many other enthusiasts. This video makes me feel much more confident that they are still building some fantastic driver focussed cars. Great work Harry!

[@grigorioschristodoulou5229]

The people that know how to do it are still there, they’re just only allowed to build 1000-2000 cars of each platform :/

[@JoostH.]

@Harry just a small detail, the dashboard is analogue, not digital. It just has backlight numbers, and dials that make it look digital.

[@The_Foulmouthed_Cypriot]

Wonderful, another Harry's Garage video. Simply the greatest way to top off a relaxing Sunday afternoon. Not much of a BMW fan but always a pleasure watching and listening to Mr Metcalfe.

[@I999-g2s]

KZbin saved the best till last... Everyone else posted their reviews of this car a while ago, but HM is always worth the wait.

[@TomleyRC]

12 months ago, did you think you would be comparing an £80k M2 CS's Gearbox to one in a Yaris?..... no.... didn't think so haha. This M2 is a Beauty! I miss them roads, I was stationed at Brize Norton in the late 90's and often travelled up to the Midlands via the 'scenic' route.

[@lukaswildner8040]

Compared to new m3/4 this looks so much better. Besides e46csl best looking post 2000 bmw

[@followthegrow108]

2001 m5????? F80 m3????? E60 m5??????? Okay that last one is love hate relationship.

[@samthoma2719]

Kinda agree but I’m a big fan of the e92

[@MuhammadDinath]

Would most agree though the 1M still edges it for me. Side by side in the metal the 1M is just so much more butch

[@lukaswildner8040]

@@followthegrow108 I expressed my opinion using hundreds of exclamation marks won't change it. If you like those cars better I respect that I personally don't...

[@sergiofacchinetti2954]

2 vids in 2 days wow I’m impressed

[@colinpaton3770]

Yes, I'll watch the Silverstone auctions one later.

[@SB-vb8ch]

Would imagine it is to save the need for any re certification / homologation.

[@slaWterCH]

The regulations for the official car weight changed recently. The M2C was probably still under the old regulations. For example it's no longer allowed to state the weight of the lightest possible version of a car. That might explain why the number for the CS with all the lighter components is around the same as the M2C in it's very lightest version back in the day.

[@patricksheringham5965]

Spot on review, and my thoughts exactly. Buy a pre-reg'd M2 comp (delivery mileage) which I have seen at under £43,000, give it to Litchfield and have a stage 1 tune and suspension upgrade and for under £50k you have got a beast of a machine saving £25k over the CS!!!!!!!!!.....

[@mitchellsteindler]

But then you don't have a CS

[@patricksheringham5965]

@@mitchellsteindler True, but £70,000+ is a lot of money, £47,000 (ish) is a lot easier to justify, and as Harry said if I was spending £70,000+ I'd have the 4.0L Cayman!

[@DjNikGnashers]

This is my dream daily driver. I'll never be able to afford one, even at their lowest dip in price before they shoot back up as classics, but I'm glad BMW made them.

[@Colesy110]

Having driven this exact car, have to say it’s the best driving experience you could have. Love the CS.

[@alanjoiner5195]

It looks really stiff. The cameras shaking around all over the place. Brilliant video as always.

[@TheSuperdodgy]

It is very stiff. Just made for track days :)

[@Fastmetro]

If it's like the F80/F82 in comfort it'll be absolutely fine for UK roads. My wife's non-adaptive M140i has a firmer suspension set up.

[@CursedDepartmentEastOffice]

Had the pleasure of riding one and comfort mode is quite decent actually. Not an E class but it's alright.

[@simonjclark74]

Burford to Little Rissington....some of my favorite roads...enjoy Harry and keep posted great content

[@johnosullivan2017]

Must start using the A40 more for the final leg of my London to Malvern run. Tend to use A44 via Chippy...

[@BrendanEvan]

Seems like a Porsche GTS or M2 Comp with $20k in quality modifications would be epic. Agree with Harry on this one.

[@prashanthp5448]

I have the humble N55 variant and as a serial car changer, I'm finding it hard to let go of it. Great small punchy package.

[@driventogaming2879]

I also have the OG M2 and I also change my cars a little too often but I’m not letting this one go…👍

[@thebrtnr]

I love that you include so many rolling shots of the car on these B roads!

[@danielmarshall4587]

Eighty odd FRAZAND PARNED..... Anyhow, thank you Harry for this vid, lovely car and smashing to watch.

[@bowrocker]

The review I have been waiting for, thanks Harry. I’ll keep my ‘17 OG M2 and spend the kids’ inheritance on the Cayman GTS 4.0.

[@Chris-nj1mr]

Save some money and buy a 981 cayman S/GTS. Sound better, perfect amount of power for the UK (still too fast lets be honest), and barely depreciate

[@kylem324]

Wont fitting a set of high spec coilovers to the standard competition give a similar experience?

[@PerfectPetProductions]

Fantastic video as always Harry, thank you. Any chance you could make your review vids 30 minutes instead of the 20? I enjoy them that much. Plus you could put in an extra 1-2 ads. I hate ads but worth it for your content! Cheers

[@persevere777]

Love the drive by shots, proves the exhaust noise is real and not computer generated !

[@killerfitz84]

I feel for you. My Austin Maestro 1.6L (with optional sun roof) used to get stones stick in the callipers. Must be the same engineers amd designers.

[@richardaustinaustin1890]

As usual, great review. A friend of mine has just bought the M2 comp. Can’t wait to get a drive in it. I don’t know if the CS is worth 25 k extra

[@RPG4meRS]

Standard M2 also have forged wheels! The CS front wheel is 1kg lighter then the standard one and the rear wheel is only 0.7kg lighter. So overall the wheels make a difference of 3,4kg.

[@robtt997]

Good to see you test a BMW car . Out on the road all you see is BM X this that and t’other . Very rare to see a 5 series now . Weird world

[@venom5809]

So funny you made this video, I saw an M3 CS for the first time ever yesterday in that Nardo Grey color and it was pretty cool to see. My passenger couldn't figure out why I was having a mini freakout. LOL

[@wolfiestreet6899]

I can't figure it out either.

[@bluelizzardperformance4051]

The reason for the weight difference is WLTP. If the car is heavier on paper, the given fuel consumption appears to be "better" for the homologation-weight. It's the same with the Porsche Boxster GTS you weighed some time ago at ca. 1.200 kg.

[@colinpaton3770]

I wonder if the guys at BMW would have preferred to call it M2 CSL?

[@RS-nq8xk]

If you call it CSL it would need to have a lower weight figure... It's closer to a touring car than a souped up road car with fancy carbon fiber...

[@MarcusAurelius-20VT]

23k to begin with would be great

[@ThatRosco458]

That's why I got a used 228i with M Sport and manual :D Of course nowhere as fast but still perfect size and handles great

[@MarcusAurelius-20VT]

@@ThatRosco458 good choice mate, all the manual cars seem to be disappearing sadly

[@hankpog3907]

@@ThatRosco458 I nearly bought one a couple of years ago, it was a fantastic car but I couldn’t afford the insurance on it (I was 19 at the time) ended up getting a JCW Mini with the same engine

[@seanDB1989]

3:30....That right there is why I keep coming back to Harry’s Garage. It’s all well and good having X Horsepower and X 0-60 times, but what anyone with any proper interest wants to know is ‘is it really usable’? Great stuff!!

[@Atombender]

I think the M2 Competition is perfectly fine the way it is. With a manual box of course.

[@anthonyknox1493]

You spoil us Harry! Two videos in as many days!

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Thanks for the great review as always, speedometer is actually still analog, it’s just got a darkened facia and illuminated needles

[@jackrobinson3392]

I feel the cross over between M2 CS drivers and flowery shirt wearers will be limited to Harry and JayEmm.

[@lukazupie7220]

Straightpipes?:)

[@saucysimpson259]

Harry, you should do a MK8 Fiesta ST. That car is a masterpiece and the 3 cylinder engine is incredible

[@cosminmihu9963]

It's good to see that it still comes with a proper gearbox. The only new BMW I truly love.

[@riemjann1]

And one of the only that still look great!

[@P.Galore]

Always love a new Harry video....Alcantara steering wheel is dumb...in months it will be filthy with body oils, grime and surface wear. Leather dash a big mistake for cracking, shrinking and warping - yet people order both of them...go figure!

[@nigelk780]

Still convinced BWW have forgotten how to do suspension post the E39/E46 era, must have retired. Another pogo stick. Got rid of mine and getting the GTS mentioned.

[@r6scrubs126]

I had the same issue with the seats in my M4. I couldn't put my finger on what exactly it was about them but they were so insanely uncomfortable. Even after nearly 2 years of owning it I still couldn't find a good position that made them comfortable for me and its one of many reasons I sold it

[@nathanhagerman9928]

I thought it was that the adaptive dampers add back in all the saved weight elsewhere. At least the weight is low and the un-sprung mass was reduced thanks to the carbon ceramics and forged wheels.

[@philips6182]

Wish they offered the f80 m3 CS with a manual. That would be such a great spec as well

[@Fastmetro]

Excellent review Harry, nice to watch a video from a reviewer who doesn't have an opinion that's influenced by a close relationship with a manufacturer or dealership. BMW priced this car extremely high, it is in many ways a manual F80 M3/F82 M4. Carbon roof, adaptive suspension, same engine, seats, gearbox and a suspension set up that's similar to the competition models. You also get a carbon fibre propshaft and no GPF filter. Find a manual M3/M4 Competition and they are far fewer in numbers than the M2CS, you'll also have £40K left overt o spend on a Porsche!

[@lloyd.8272]

I had my steering wheel re trimmed with less padding. Pretty sure it has improved the steering feel.

[@Porkycheun]

16:55 I think the discomfort is due to the betrayal from BMW to go HUGE grill, front wheel drive and electric in a few years time... Marketing knifing the enthusiasts in the back through the holes in the seats! 😁

[@heliosdelsol]

I would not do a thing to that car! Ok... I wouldn't do a thing to the exterior. I'd probably do a tune and a few other power mods, but he looks of that car are PERFECT! those wheels are AMAZING!

I am afraid they have to quote the weight of the car without any additional weight saving extras. Adreas Preuninger said it about Porsche last year. And Doesn’t BMW quote the number with 70kg driver amd full tank?

[@nessuno5403]

No, it's only when carbon brakes are added that this is lighter than Competition

[@cw205mi16]

All M2/3/4 variants had forged wheels from the factory. The standard wheels will be same weight as the optional gold wheels

[@castroalves8843]

Hey Harry! Do some reviews on pocket rockets like the Fiesta ST! Congratulations on the great content.

[@subarnosinha8042]

Boy do I love the wheels and their colour. The best M car BMW makes by a mile.

[@edwardrook6246]

Harry. you mention the noise from the wheels . I have had exactly the same problem with my 5 series. The first time I wondered what it was thus BMW sent a mechanic to my home. He instantly knew what the noise was and rolled the car a couple of inches and a stone fell out of the brakes. The second time I did it myself. I got the impression it is a common problem with new BMW's .

[@nigelbullock9039]

Awesome review. Covered everything. Love the car exceept the calipers and the cost on the road

[@slh7808]

You’ve kept me sane working from home Harry and I’ve learned so much from your wide ranging expertise. The insights real world into specials I’ll never see let alone get inside is a privilege. You have convinced me on EV and I’m awaiting the cyber truck.. when ever that hits the UK and which ever ratio is made available for our roads.

[@knmsondre]

Great video Harry! Keep them coming

[@Robin_mackay]

Love the cars bro, stay safe guys

[@highfive1673]

Yep

[@colinpaton3770]

Yes, I thought Harry would review this one. A performance driver's car, no cuddles, requires lots of driving discipline on the road. Given the £23k premium, Harry's suggestion - spec a M2 Comp seems a good one - not sure if Chris Harris' M2 is a comp (though looks like the CS tested here)?

[@Kurosaki990Ichigo]

I have noticed that a lot of heavy cars suffer from lack of steering feel when it is electric.

[@prakashnarismulu3332]

Fantastic. M2 Comp for the win . That Harris guy would agree .

[@browneyesjesus]

Harris owns a manual one

[@prakashnarismulu3332]

Except now that Harris guy went and bought a M2 CS after Harry’s review

[@XL-R8R]

Maybe Harry could pin this.. but weight is given by BMW/Mini with full fluid levels plus 70kg driver - some models (X6 M) also seemingly (if memory serves!) give weight with two occupants; driver and passenger. My 2020 Cooper S 3dr* is 1156kg without fuel (44kg), coolant (6kg), screen wash fluid (2kg) OR passenger (70kg) for the on-book number of 1278kg or 2813lbs. *no options picked - base car in "Classic" spec - options add extra weight.

[@leventevarga263]

I’m not quite sure how it goes in the UK, but in Germany alcantara steering wheel is an option. The basic is the leather one. And you can also configure whether you what an electronically operated seat or not.

[@RDFB101]

Really great car channel Harry! A video from you on any of these would make me a very happy chap: 993 turbo, 959, Ford RS 200, EB110, original XJR, Lotus Carlton, Saab 900 turbo, Volvo 850 R, Celica GT-four

[@nessuno5403]

Sorry Harry, *10 HARD FACTS AND CORRECTIONS* on this M2 Competition ("M2C") parts-bin special: 1) Same S55 engine hardware and torque as the M2C; it's just a power reflash to M4 Competition ("M4C") spec 2) Same weight as M2C unless carbon ceramic brakes are optioned, and heavy due to M4C dampers (good luck with future spares and repairs) 3) In-cabin sound is digitized; outside it's muted compared to non-EU exports where no particulate filters (OPF) are mandatory 4) Instruments are analogue - only the lower right corner is digital 5) Wheels are a recycled BMW design (with WRX STi gold...) and seats are also recycled from M4 CS 6) Bonnet vent is for show only; the M2 CS Racing is actually more M2C because it doesn't have this carbon bonnet (you can option one on M2C) or carbon brakes! 7) The only difference is the integrated carbon roof then, with known poorly layed weave (you can option a carbon roof layer on M2C also as noted in the video) 8) As standard, this has Brembo steel 6 caliper front, 4 caliper rear brakes (you guessed it, you can option these on M2C also) that also catch stones 9) Equally overpriced F80 M3/M4 CS flopped because these new CS are not bespoke and they are pre-planned; just not special one-offs like M3 CSL 10) At the price, go Cayman... and the "all sold out" is make believe in some markets; dealers buy and retain them until the fools come and pay the premium. Just get an M2C and enjoy.

[@cutdepiefails6596]

M2 comp with those wheels, the optional brakes, ohlins/nitrons from litchfield (soft springs), just code the m4 gts engine map, done. Lighter? Grab some carbon rotors from ebay (m3, m4 work), 2k euros for the carbon roof, 3k for the bonnet, braille lithium battery, titanium exhaust, cs++ and in the end might very well be less money

[@AKN8V]

That chuckle at the 15:05 mark! Brilliant

[@roadhouseguy]

Great video Harry! I wonder, considering how much weight was saved in this car, it might have been more collectible had it been called M2 CSL. A better runout tribute for the great classic BMW configuration. Hopefully not the last of its kind.

[@SamAustin]

Great content as always with these reviews! 👍

[@houseyUK]

Totally crazy money for a 2 Series.

[@houseyUK]

@R A Yea it is, by any sane measure. Ive bought a few M cars from new over the years, this is crazy money for a 2 series.

[@maxmartin-merrells3723]

Such an elegant review. You the man!

[@colinw1591]

Certainly a very special machine, but a sensible spec Cayman GTS is £10k less and the one I'd go for....

[@YusufGinnah]

My sentiments exactly. The CS is special, yes, but not special enough at the price point. And that Cayman is definitely the sweeter ride... 😎👍🏼

[@OggaDugga]

Why a GTS? A GT4 starts at £75k

[@poursafaie]

Bmw are notorious for discount vs list

[@eddy7236]

@@poursafaie would get 10% off normally but imagine they will stick to their guns on this car

[@YusufGinnah]

@@poursafaie I'd agree with you normally, but the CS is bespoke and quite special so not sure if would apply here.

[@adunski]

Brilliant review old man!

[@motorhead1933]

Thanks for saying about stone sticking near the brake and wheels of this car thanks for saving me

[@daveb5211]

I'm 50 now and I suspect this would shatter my spine going over a manhole cover

[@paulcs2607]

I’m 53 and have the M2C and I find the ride fine.

[@nessuno5403]

@@paulcs2607 the M2 CS is harsher despite the electric dampers

[@paulcs2607]

@@nessuno5403 I did not know that.

[@jonlyons1033]

Ahem, I'm afraid you simply must not refer to them as man hole covers old chap. Terribly sexist or some such cobblers no, They are apparently Points of entry. Although I've yet to meet any self respecting woman prepared to go into one . As for the point of exit? Well...

[@colinpaton3770]

@@jonlyons1033 Piers M would love that

[@paulmcgee1867]

There’s an Alpina version of this? Does not the claimed weight include a driver and full fuel tank? I see the usual crappy BMW rear headrests

[@drink4711]

Re: claimed weight, the specs mention Unladen EU Weight, that's weight of Car with 90% fuel, 68 kg driver, 7 kg cargo

[@nessuno5403]

No Alpina ever made. This CS is indeed no lighter than Competition unless you spec optional carbon ceramics.

[@michaelcope856]

I broke my back 20 years ago and (touch wood) no issues since, but I think this car would change that. And imagine having to worry about getting stones caught in your calipers!? Sounds like something Ian Dury might have worried about, but not your friggin' car!

[@stuartsmith5308]

Fit thinner steering wheel save 1 kg. Replace the electric seats save 20 kgs. Remove the carbon mirror caps they only add weight.

[@phildempster8972]

Adaptive dampers adding all the weight compared to a comp bringing them to around the same weight overall 😩

[@nessuno5403]

It's lighter when carbon brakes are fitted, but price goes higher again

[@lewcarrumjohnson2786]

Did he mention the lack of temperature gauge, the curse of BMW penny pinching. The light comes on and its too late, your screwed.

[@noseyparker6622]

That's one thing a didn't like about my Mini cooper....didn't even have a sensible fuel gauge on it either.

[@colinpaton3770]

I heard its really short-geared (3000 rpm at 70). Did you need to change up to 3rd before hitting 60 Harry? Thanks again for your vids - terrific.

[@paultaylor9652]

Lovely Jubbly, a true gents review.

[@tibhen8473]

6 pistons carbon ceramic brakes are 20 k heavier than the 3 pistons normal, also the CS has the special suspension .... hence it is same weight as M2C

[@dreammfyre]

£80k sounds kinda crazy to me. I’m guessing it has fake engine noises too? EDIT: And putting a bunch of carbon fibre on a heavy car doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s still heavier than full steel cars from the 90s.

[@lukazupie7220]

Yes but u had to buy lambo to get that kind of power in the 90s lol.. m5 was heavier and down on power 50hp:) m3 was similar weight and 130hp less.. and it got 2* on 90’ ncap lol.. What is stupid tho is electric seats and stuff like that combined with carbon..

[@throttleblip6544]

You can option the leather steering wheel which is much thinner and communicates more

[@borinvlogs]

For £23k you can get a very nice spec 987.2 Cayman S or Boxster S with 3.4L proper flat six howl and razor shard steering with tons of feedback.

[@joe718gt4]

I had to use a lumbar pillow on my E92 335i coupe. Not sure if it's seat design or just strengthening my lower back a lot, but I had no problems with my 17 SS 1LE and now 21 GT4 bucket seats after

[@stevenfoleyuk9404]

I bought the M2 Comp and it’s perfect for me . If I could afford the CS I just don’t see the point unless it’s bought for a future classic . I’m sure the CS will be a collectors car but as a daily then it’s the M2 Comp .

[@nnn_9999-t2g]

youtube recommend me this channel and i love it

[@NinjAsaya]

Is it all Harry’s collection in the background of that garage?

[@duncandonovan5270]

Great car and review 👌 Making it 24k more expensive also makes it a bit of a collectors car over the years and will hold its value better.

[@alexmartinez280]

Any factory M special always holds its value. This CS will always be an expensive car and only get more so when the final production numbers are well known and circulated. BMW M has a huge fan base and cars like this are special s for their biggest fans. E92 M3 GTS was 150 unit model and cost GT3 money when new. Currently it’s regarded as one of the best cars ever and will run a buyer just under 300k used which is double the MSRP. These CS cars are as close to factory CSL models and really are the best to show what a real M car is. As pair of light weight buckets to replace the heavy electric seats and this CS is a nobodies CSL car (100-180k lbs lighter than standard)

[@Rockport1911]

The M2 is the best modern drivers- car- BMW out there. These will hold their value well and are fun machines while doing so.

[@AMCL5]

So M2 Cs or M3 csl manual conversion. Csl 😁

[@Jb001jb]

Both

[@A500-g6g]

Corvette, same format front engine rear wheel drive. But, it's lighter e.g. the c6 z06, 1395kg with a manual and NA 7.0 v8 revving to 7000rpm. Costs the same. Sounds a lot lot better. Much higher cornering g forces. I used to think they were terrible, then I did some research. Also one of the fastest manual NA nurburgring cars ever and won it's class in le mans. Also the third fastest manual NA car from 0 to 60 ever made (production) pick it up if u can afford it

[@AMCL5]

@@A500-g6g I can't afford any of them 😔. But maybe a toy one 😂

[@A500-g6g]

@@AMCL5 I hear u on that, hence why I'll stick to sportbikes for now, pick up a 2005 5vy yamaha r1 for 3 grand 175hp and 175kg absolute weapon, 5 valve engine too so an absolute screamer.

[@Alby911]

@@A500-g6g Useless facts. Choosing a car is such a personal thing with so many variables.