Harsh Corporate Reality : Performance Improvement Plan | PIP | Misused to fire employees

[@careertalkshorts]

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[@rupalikapadnis1821]

Yess sir you are correct that are used it to fire people bcoz same thing happened with me while I was on pip I was given a task to complete I completed the whole task they didn't even look at it and told me I have failed.. and forced me to resign..😢

[@bored-x5s]

Hi friend, can we connect over phone ? I have been given PIP and I have my meeting with my HR and Manager on 10th April. If I could speak to you may be I could get some realistic way of looking at this. Thanks in advance

[@surajpatil6924]

It is important to have the courage and conviction to start something completely of your own as early as your thirties, to completely get rid of all this corporate mess and get independent; no matter howsoever little the monetary gains are. Initially things would be always tough for anyone and everyone. But once you get the rhythm; you will be forever on the consistent lane for your entire life..

[@jonron3805]

Wouldnt totally agree with you. There people who have it in them to run their own work others do not. So it depends on the person. Moreover its sometimes more economically better for a person to work for big orgs. Each of the salaried division heads of any big company are capable of running their own business. But then they get such high salaries that its does not seem worth running their own business.

[@surajpatil6924]

@jonron3805 Agree But, what is the percentage of such beneficiaries; have you ever 🤔 thought of it ? Yes, for the elite workforce say less than 10 percent of the overall ; your concept may well apply...!

[@jonron3805]

@@surajpatil6924 Ok let me give you a statistic. 90% startups fail. And this is not just illogical. There is very good reason for this. Its very very different in having skills to execute and implement a project than run a business. Most of the worlds biggest businesses are run by people who may not even have basic low level skills of the product they are manufacturing. So that tells a lot in terms of the difference between a job and entrepreneurship.

[@surajpatil6924]

@jonron3805 Still agree.. But, the reason of this failure is ; even when people plunge into entrepreneurship; there mindset is still that of a paycheck to paycheck guys...! I started the conversation keeping in view the super longterm perception. People try to accelerate too much; depending on too much funding, diluting equity for no reason, being overconfident in advertising and marketing...etc First thing what I think is important is ; to develop that entrepreneurial mindset. From here the game starts from scratch. If there is really some great opportunity to work on some project for some time with some company ; even when one has spent some years as an entrepreneur; then that is also not a problem. Because, this guy had already cultivated that real world business thinking and knows the intricacies of a lot of aspects related to it. Also, entrepreneurial thinking is not something which is ephemeral; it has the power to evolve and transcend from generation to generation...!

[@palak_tiwari15]

I am working in indusind Bank in sales department used car loan .i have been issued PIP once , and its been 9 months working here and its my first job i am not confirmed employee now , so how much is the maximum amount of PIP's issued in Indusind Bank???

[@mugiwara5375]

I'm working in this company for 1.3 years now and I've filed a complaint against my manger 1 month ago, that he's inappropriate and doing sexual gestures and drawing inappropriate figures and harassing me by taking 2-3 hours long unnecessary calls which is affecting my productivity. I even had to undergo medical conditions that occurred to me due alot of stress. And after a month of my complaint to hr about my manager, they're initiating PIP on me and confronted them that this is purely a revenge strategy that they're doing against me, I'm happy to leave this toxic. I have a bond which is for another 10 months

[@shridharpowar946]

I fully agree with you.i have been through this as a manager and believe me it was a horrible experience. it was traumatic since its against our culture to do such kind of inhuman things

[@creativesimplemadhu]

It's very true it's most scary and demotivating thing ever. Can you please speak about some people are not let to work on new technologies with reason saying "you need experience in that technology" and you have so much experience but in old technologies you can't work like new person for current technologies!!

[@arjunps6776]

Without doubt PIP is used to fire people. I know of a friend who had never been a poor performer. He had some disagreements with his manager once. The manager, her boss and the HR put my friend under PIP. They asked him to achieve an annual target in just three months time. Even the best of performers can't do that. The writing was on the wall. They were going to fire him after three months. He did the honorable thing and resigned immediately. When companies decide to come after an employee, he/she doesn't have much choice. It's better to just leave and find less toxic places to work. As for my friend, he waited a bit and found a job with a 40% salary hike.

[@democracyjusticegod404]

This the Only The Best thing to do. Also note, Shameless HR & ManAger use this PIP tool to retain, by making employee to resign & to know his Offer, and give Counter Offer 👏🏽 👍🏻 Btw, who will accept & retain?? Still few exists, even more Shameless than those HR & ManAger ??😂

[@abhishekpatra7954]

@@democracyjusticegod404 retain means

[@krammerd3]

does they provides experience letter or termination letter?

[@devendra.sanghavi]

@@krammerd3 yes if you make good terms and mutual understanding and not yell.

[@lkuiiuy6428]

Never leave your friend , he's going to save you when aliens attack😂

[@abhishek.eswarappa]

I was put in a PIP, apparently for my "improvement". I agree the tasks were not like so difficult. However, after the PIP duration was completed, some mistakes were amplified for what they actually were, and they wanted to extend PIP. I resigned and started to build something of my own. PIP is real hell and it induces trauma. It’s screws your self esteem. Not worth it.

[@joelrionstaves4684]

It really does. There is nothing helpful OR productive about telling an employee that they must be flawless otherwise, they risk dismissal.

[@abhishek.eswarappa]

@@shivarashive It was a German MNC. I’m all sorted now, so don’t want to get into unnecessary drama. After PIP is over, it’s either that they liked how you performed and you will be out of PIP. OR Try to Knitpick some flaws and Fire you or Extend PIP so you again Rot in Hell.

[@abhishek.eswarappa]

@@joelrionstaves4684 Absolutely. And the worst part is they say ‘you risk dismissal’ without ACTUALLY saying ‘you risk dismissal’ as if we do not understand.

[@sushilmaurya6260]

​@@abhishek.eswarappa hey bro I wanted to know if u resign during PIP , will it mentioned in experience/relieving letter ? Please help

[@HariniRamraj]

I wud suggest that you complete your PIP period and don't quit. After PIP even if you get removed, you will atleast be eligible for unemployment benefits and your relieving letter will mention that you resigned from your job and hence this will not affect your future employment. But the sad part is that this will diminish your self confidence and you need to get some support. Especially if this is happening to you in your mid career, when you have financial commitments, it can be a living nightmare. I sincerely wish that I can start a support channel for employees who have been through unfair PIP! ...coz money can be earned, new job can be pursued....but once self confidence drops...you are bound to screw up the next good opportunity you get too!

[@joelrionstaves4684]

This did happen to me, it has killed my self-esteem. I'm also no longer on speaking terms with my old team members.

[@raghuchaitu2263]

Accenture is Famous for PIP. Accenture has to Put 20% of team into PIP every Year and will kick them out.

[@VrickzGamer]

Can they put me in PIP once I resign?

[@charanpreetsingh1902]

They are worst in this case full on manager kingdom is going in accenture you can only survive if you are pet to manager

[@thalai143]

Reminds me of the time I got humiliated and fired in Accenture in the name of PIP

[@Ankitkumar-iy9xv]

Bhai if PIP failed then have you received any compensation after PIP failed?

[@VrickzGamer]

Can they put me in PIP after my resignation?

[@sushilmaurya6260]

Hey bro , will it mentioned in relieving letter or experience letter ???

[@thalai143]

@@Ankitkumar-iy9xv they will make it seem like you resigned on your own

[@thalai143]

@@VrickzGamer nope

[@zohebshk]

Mostly the HR are partial people, they listen to the management...they listen to one side of the story. On paper they are people partner, but in reality they are not

[@democracyjusticegod404]

UNIVERSAL TRUTH is : HR is the Good Boss ManAger is the Bad Boss. In Good Boss Bad Boss Game. *HR's primary & only duty is to protect, pamper & preserve Toxic ManAgers to get Salary.*

[@yogeshdarekar3424]

Yes, PIP is a weapon to remove employee from organization. Purpose of pip not followed by management people. They wrongly using there rights. Just to threat employee who is poor in performance, never feel that pip is to improve. experoenced this reality

[@Naveen-yl9ys]

I have a worest Manager who didn't provided kt and training blaming with fake stuff i have kept resignation today morning and evening they kept in PIP what to do now please do reply my mental health is effecting.

[@sagars3332]

Why no WLB in IT nowadays?? One Liner Answer -Agile process

[@hallsofivy128]

Came across this today as my RM has conspired this PIP against me in HCL. I have facts and data with me. I am in training period not even in project MY project is not live - project will be life at the end of October 2024 and they raised a PIP where even HR partner himself is promoting me to resign

[@Worldoflavishasisters]

Same happened with me without any reason my company has put me on pip just 2 months of my maternity leave. And after that they have mailed me for exit. Without any discussion. Which was just unethical. Dear can tell me what do I do

[@zerosessioncosmos7050]

Absolutely correct that you're stating. Thanks dear corporate guru for this point towards mgmt people and nonsense leads.

[@arpite47]

I hate corporate job because of these reason

[@chauhanrahul155]

I was on PIP for 3 months. I worked on feedback provided weekly to me. After 1 month of plan, Reporting manager told me you can connect with lead for feedbacks that I used to do in daily meetings. It was fine until appraisal time came and they told me to leave and told PIP has failed. I am searching for new job now.

[@AdityaKumar-zz7dm]

Which company?

[@democracyjusticegod404]

​@@AdityaKumar-zz7dmThere are many...e.g. WipLo, ZFlTC ...

[@indianfoodartists3579]

Which Campany you ware part of and I hope the new finding job is going good for you

[@royalpinto8986]

Is anything mentioned in relieving letter about pip or low performance

[@chauhanrahul155]

@@royalpinto8986 No nothing mentioned in relieving letter.

[@shraddhadharod9363]

If your manager discloses about your pip to your colleague indirectly, like sending an email to a group email which your colleague, you and your manager has access to, is not ethical, correct?

[@KapilYadav-yu9hm]

Hi sir, I have been placed in pip from previous project as they had the appraisals in their hand they gave really bad rating, now i am into new project and compeltely new BU and unit. it has started reflecting last month as i had my anniversary last month. I had few questions 1) will pip from previous project will be considered for the current project. 2) Do i need to inform the current manager, if informed him will he consider my situation 4) Current HR has not intiated any thing yet, shall i remind her that whats needs to be done. 3) Does the current Hr will directly sent me a mail of termination or resignation.

[@arunasriramulu5563]

Hi. What's going on then. I'm on the same bucket.

[@kanchanaa19]

If ur current manager gives u good feedback and If u have valid points and proofs to show u r not underperformer then raise a greivance request(check with HR) how to raise against your previous manager. Fight back and if result it not positive then resign. These things are happening since no one is questioning and simply resigning. If they have 10 points against atleast u can say 5 points to justify. Then resign happily.its upto you how u r going to handle it. All the best.

[@biswaMastAadmi]

I got into PIP 3rd time😂 I am so stupid

[@Kumar-pp9mg]

How did you escape from it ?? If people who got PIP, if they resign immediately will they get experience and receiving letters ?? Please answer..

[@rajatmana]

@biswaMastAadmi could you please answer @kumar-pp9mg question?please?

[@derbdep]

@@Kumar-pp9mg in my case i was given the threat of a pip from next month, even though my performance is good and my performance review 2 weeks prior was excellent. this was done by HR and the director, my manager was just the middle man in the process. so the moment i got the random negative write up, i put 100% into job searching. you should do the same if you're in a similar position. the company will just make some bullshit excuse to fire you or keep you in the firing line. Those who have been on PIPs are marked by the company (everyone will know of it via office gossip), and even if you pass it, its like the PIP never ends. the atmosphere and conditions will remain exactly the same as being on a PIP even after you pass it. they will block you from lateral moves within the company too, because everyone will have the record that you've been on a PIP best thing to do is put 100% of your time and focus into job searching, and trying to get your job interviews done at times you're not working or (if virtual interviews) trying to get them done during your lunch break or at times when your work load is light and you're not being directly monitored. its preferable to hand in your notice BEFORE you're on a PIP so you leave on your own terms and aren't marked thereafter. but if you're already on a PIP, sign the new job offer before putting in your letter of resignation. That way you're already covered. the PIP is designed to get rid of us, so the management on the receiving side will only be happy to go ahead with the notice period etc. But check your contract around whether you'd be entitled to a notice period while on a PIP, or whether when you hand your resignation they'd just fire you right away without a notice period. In that case, you MUST have the job offer signed with your new company BEFORE handing in the letter of resignation, even if you sign it the same day.

[@devrajdash5503]

Hi Do company give bad remark in relieving letter if employees was on PIP but unable clear PIP then Resign

[@SahilArora21]

I can so relate to this video! It all started in MAY 2023, I was taken into meeting room by my manager, I was informed that PIP has been initiated against me and that is just mere "Khana Poorti" and it won't affect my employment! Production target for NPS was 71% minimum to be achieved by everyone on floor. I struggled to achieve even 40% as monthly NPS Score. I had a lot of disagreements and arguments with my line and upline manager, I didn't act as Sheep and wasn't a "Yes" Employee, so this Manager acted very smart, because he was aware that I am struggling to achieve even 40% he setup the target for PIP as: Week 1-68% Week 2-68% Week 3-70% Week 4-70% I mean look at how smart he crafted firing strategy! An individual who struggled to achieve 40% monthly NPS score, all of a sudden how can an individual achieve those scores in 4 weeks? I achieved: Week 1-64% Week 2-63.5% Week 3-76.5% [Over the Target] Week 4- 60% Sets me to fail! On 5th June, takes me to meeting room, says PP cannot be extended, since targets weren't meet, either resign or we'll get you fired. And I had to resign, forcefully! We had 4 metrics that gauge employee performance, AHT, Attendance, NPS and FCR. Out of 4, 3 were met, I was unable to meet NPS targets and he used this as weapon, backstabbed me, to get rid of me and he was successful! Worst feeling till date, I should have resigned on 5th May itself because it was indeed a trap so that he could get rid of me! I wonder how such individuals get promoted? 🤔

[@saitamapreetsingh3057]

There should be rule that if you're put into PIP, company cannot fire you for 6 months

[@AishwaryaMalaji]

What about serverance pay in case of PIP? If a company is not giving serverance pay

[@Suredo-y5m]

After 6 months of work they again plan to put me on probation saying i am not productive but isn't my fault i have always worked what was assigned and kept asking supervisor for any other work apart from mine bur he puts off always now they gave the task and timeline which these things should have been communicated after 2-3 months of joining and they are not even so difficult. unlucky to have such a supervisor.

[@batsy941]

my situation mate lol

[@Suredo-y5m]

@@batsy941 very irritating right? Esp my side when the teams only are not having so much work I don't know why they saw only me i guess they want me to leave. Last Friday I made a big sale I proved I was productive but when there is no work productivity doesn't arise. But anyway before the end of 30 days i think I will leave rather than they telling me again "" Unproductive ""

[@batsy941]

@@Suredo-y5m stay strong thats all i can say. Do whatever is best in your self interest and take care of yourself

[@ssazerac]

PIP: Here is a list of goals and tasks you can’t possibly meet or accomplish in the hopes you get discouraged, frustrated and quit.

[@MadivadaRavi]

sir i have expierence even infosys also misusing and hr tolding you dont have client deliverables

[@Chandankumar-gp4hf]

Wip₹0 and PIP A never breaking relationship

[@CodeWithMeee]

I joined a new company after 10 months of gap. I was in PIP, will it cause problem during background verification?

[@rajeshkiran8658]

Yes in the same situation

[@palak_tiwari15]

I am working in indusind Bank in sales department used car loan .i have been issued PIP once , and its been 10 months working here and its my first job i am not confirmed employee now , so how much is the maximum amount of PIP's issued in Indusind Bank???

[@ronaldomaia]

I was put on Focus at Amazon and I can't ask questions to no one. I think Amazon is trying to throw me under the bus

[@tejask.v8687]

If an employee can't achieve his targets, how to approach the higher authority, can't able to get achieved the target and get exceptions, and what exactly to say? Would you mind helping to come out of this scenario?

[@1BestPahad]

In PIP its better to search for new job and good package instead of going under trauma.Utilize the PIP time for learning and go for interview .Take offer and resign

[@arnabchowdhury4892]

but that is tough part of PIP you will have to work hard to save pip incase if you dont get job while serving pip. we cannot study and focus on job search

[@venkateshchintagunti4236]

Anna, notice period lo work baaga cheyakpota 1. PIP vestra and is it effect on me/ experience/ reliving letter

[@shubhrabiswas2020]

True. But reality is different.

[@vikeng21]

In an ideal world whatever you said it relevant. However the real world is completely different everyone knows that.

[@VrickzGamer]

Sir can company put me in PIP after I resign?

[@rohanutep81]

No

[@josephp2787]

Very true scenario sir. Employees are targeted and as a HR i have felt pressurised to do this under certain situations.

[@RajuKeVines]

After pip company fires employee without notice period or they ask to serve notice period if employee also wants to serve it?

[@arnabchowdhury4892]

it depends i saw in persistent they allow employees to serve notice period but in fis they will fire you but give yoy full notice period salary

[@mathwizardwithdistantlearning]

Never signed, because they going to fire you anyway. Signing means you have agreed to what they have said.

[@sahil.thakral]

Superb..here i am doing the same thing

[@hazick2008]

How to recover from Performance Improvement Plan

[@chinnipandu1071]

Is it mandatory to accept PIP whether i resign or not? Please tell me

[@rohanutep81]

Not mandatory you can resign and leave on good terms

[@FoodMania907]

I am getting performance issue in my company that's why company not raising my salary after 6 months also, they say your performance is not upto the mark

[@Rocky11926]

What you do now...Plann to new job or stick to this one

[@indianfoodartists3579]

But this is opposite for me in my Campany. My performance even it was poor I got promoted and 16% hike as well. This is corporate I can’t understand what happens at what time

[@K21-r4i]

One advice-Crack Government Job.

[@vineetkumar5528]

What about notice period in PIP? Is person allowed to serve notice period after PIP period?

[@careertalkshorts]

I guess if the PIP is not successful the company may ask one to quit sooner as per terms of employment. Notice period may not come into picture.

[@vineetkumar5528]

@@careertalkshorts this is mal-practice done by the company. Intension is to terminate the employee

[@karthikbalasubramania1549]

No point of implementing this plan, if the company is gonna fire the targeted employee either way, instead, they can maintain better transparency while they hire.

[@freudsilver3097]

PIP means firing. No other way to look at it.

[@shivapalvlogs7]

yes broooooooooooooooooooooooo I face the same

[@saibharathi5960]

Hi bro my frnd is on PIP... he's from 2 months but he has finished the tasks which manager has given Do they still fire? My frnd is from Infosys

[@utkarshsingh8297]

​@@saibharathi5960did he got fired from job?

[@saibharathi5960]

Yes, right after the pip is done....he completed all the tasks still they fired They fired the exp guy who asked for change him to another project The exp guy was pushed into pip and fired him from the company

[@rahulchakraborty5812]

Its generally used to throw people out.

[@tusharpatil4992]

If me goen on PIP for no reason

[@democracyjusticegod404]

Sir, You are 100% Correct..! Even for PIP, many Company dont have any Plan, Trainings Listed from start to end of PIP 😂. Just to delay Appraisal & Increment, OR just to know Candidate's counter offer value, Losers throw them into PIP.... Fun part is, once PIP Candidate resigned, same HR & ManAger try to retain & want to know Counter offers value & competitors 😂🤣 and some respectless Idiots stay too 😂😁

[@rajivyogibhairav6876]

😂

[@tusharpatil4992]

I got Pip now they terminated no reason

[@rajivyogibhairav6876]

How they terminate?ask for resignation after failing or what. Experience letter mention this?

[@sde1983]

I have went through this process in a leading EV company, where the entire team comprised of 3rd grade engineers without knowing basic git commands and worst part is the architect who doesn't have basic knowledge on how to design an application. I raised all these with my Manager thinking that he will remediate and he is another kind of guy who doesn't have caliber to understand the complexity of an issue. Immediately after the discussion I was put in to PIP, but luckily the same week got a different job with 20% hike

[@lkuiiuy6428]

One advice: if you put in pip, no matter the company,just leave Resign. it is made to have reason to fire you ok Join somewhere else... Do not try to fight or work under pip Its waste of time

[@arnabchowdhury4892]

but parallely you should have job in hand or any other family member earning le.g your wife. husband, brother etc

[@hiteshmehrahiteshmehra9544]

Hindi me video bano