Has "Hatred" the Game Really Gone Too Far? Trailer Reaction

Destructive Creations showed off the trailer for their upcoming game Hatred recently that caught the attention of tons of people online. The reason? Many feel the violence displayed in Hatred had gone too far with a main character that is essentially just out to shoot, stab, and murder everyone and everything in his path. That's basically the whole premise of the game, kill people, nothing else nothing more.
I'm here to argue that this isn't anything new and this tactic has been done tons of times previously in gaming for the sake of just getting attention. That heck everything done in the game is done in hundreds of games released every single year but we just don't notice as much.
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[@AlphaOmegaSin]

"HATRED" trailer HUG Version I want this to totally become a thing

[@kitsunemetal]

That would be the best thing ever a game that lets you hug people ^_^

[@RedCrownRevan]

yea i agreed but it takes one crazy guy to blame this game for his act of crime. Then cnn and news media will call us gamer's killers :(. i mean they already do tho.

[@TheLunarLegend]

You heard the man Destructive Creations. SECRET BONUS HUGGING LEVEL! Make it a thing.

[@apocalypseap]

RedCrownRevan And their insane ramblings about how media and games turn people into bad people amount to nothing, still. People have been killing, raping, molesting, torturing, etc. etc. since way, way, way before any media was ever invented.

[@ReynaldFrost]

Death Note, Elfen Lied, and Another X3

[@Vennytube]

The only thing that disturbs be in this game is, how can he put that many shit on his left trenchcoat pocket?!!

[@matthewstuart1846]

Shoulder holsters, belt, lots of ways to load up tons of weapons.

[@Vennytube]

Matthew Stuart Yea, but he puts everything in the same pocket...it's disturbing!

[@matthewstuart1846]

Vennytube It really only was two magazines and a grenade. I could fit it in one pocket.

[@Vennytube]

Matthew Stuart what about the knife....what bout the kniiiiiife?!!!

[@matthewstuart1846]

Vennytube Didn't he put that on his belt?

[@knucles230]

All these people pretending the rampage missions don't exist in GTA or Saints Row.

[@danielwray5732]

Hatred is the death metal of video games and I think it's kind of awesome.

[@Kyubeyisbestboy]

+Daniel Wray Fuck you you fucking smartass

[@TSBsteamAllNaturalHighs]

+Emolga ♂ why are you so salty?

[@HopesMuerte]

Hatred go hard😂

[@AkaiKnight]

I found the trailer pretty offensive just based on the premise. That doesn't mean I think it should be banned or people shouldn't play it. it just means that it's incompatible with my sensibilities.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Which is totally normal and the best part. That's how it should be. People should always be able to say hey that's not for me and move on, yet unfortunately many are trying their damnedest to do otherwise

[@bartkomedy]

I can see where you are coming from with that. It is a little odd, especially considering that when we grow up we are told to pretty much "love thy neighbor" and this goes directly against that. This game could actually be a good release for people like this. I personally hate a lot of people. A LOT of people. Would I go out and shoot them? No. Though a game like this would be a good way of getting out the anger.

[@SoulHero7]

What that means is that you are a mature, respectable person. It's the immature ones that are causing the ruckus.

[@beatblasta8463]

To me its kind of like postal 2

[@AkaiKnight]

Siberia Strong I got Postal 2 on steam. I didn't really "get it".

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Would've had this uploaded over the weekend but I've had no internet access til just now XD

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

***** Wolverine stay dead? Hell no lol

[@MrFreefonix420]

hey dude awesome video as usual check out my video i uploaded yesterday on this

[@360firedevil]

I just told someone that it's not real people you are killing. and then he said if they made a game about raping kids it would be okay because they are not real...

[@SuperDeluxe80]

barney & friends need to come out for these cry babies. you buy a mature rated game called hatred, what the fuck do they expect???? its as stupid as buying a porno then pissed the people are fucking.

[@maximo8066]

Hey alpha they took down the old trailer here's a new one Hatred Gameplay Reveal Trailer (new version)

[@BeatEmUps]

99% of people will be fine playing this game. There will always be someone who can't distinguish games, media, music, etc from real life. They will get the lines blurred and there will be negative consequences as a result. But the other 99% of normal as shit people in the world shouldn't have to go without these types of media just for those few f***ked up people. Thanks for the vid Alpher

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Completely agree, this whole let's fuck things up for everybody because of what could maybe possibly happen types of reactions are dumb as shit. Cause eventually it starts with one thing then bleeds into another then another then another til eventually we have everything padded and looks like from the set of Teletubbies

[@BeatEmUps]

MadroxMonoxide777 you know what I meant though, just using those numbers as an example.

[@blau6832]

AlphaOmegaSin The comparisons you make up are not fair. THIS game does not reflect ANYTHING. And it's not the gameplay of moving around, killing people for absolutely no reason, but the design that was especially made just to try to make the player feel hatred. The stuff, that the character says for example. This game is the most unneeded game of all time, even the goat simulator was more necessary than this piece of trash. Nobody should get it, not because it's "evil" or something like that, but because it´s an unnecessary piece of trash. BUT: That's not even what should be discussed. They use the Unreal Engine 4 (or was it 3? I forgot) from Epic Games for the game and Epic Games doesn't want them to show the Epic Games logo in the trailer as they don't wanna be associated with the game by any means. BUT they can still have the license for using the engine of course.

[@rtyrtyrty123123123]

***** But that was last year. With America barely a week goes without a shooting so the time would never has the haters call it "right" for this game to be released. In the end game devs shouldn't have to conform to SJW's just because a country can't go a week without some motherfucker shooting another motherfucker in an alley somewhere.

[@rtyrtyrty123123123]

Blau When does a game have to reflect anything? Did all the game developers come together to sign a contract stating that games must represent reality in some way? It's that line of thought that is proof we need Hatred. And there's a shit ton of other games that don't reflect life in anyway so I don't see your point in the first place.

[@HurtboxTV]

It's like people don't know that Postal exists.

[@srcheddar]

Hatred is basically "Postal 1.5"

[@skytop082]

rollingwolfang77 Except with all the charm and satire sucked out of it.

[@srcheddar]

Actually, Postal 1 had no humour and it had a lot of hate messages. Postal 2 was the one which introduced satire elements. But yeah, this one is a lot more realistic and crude.

[@SkepticGamer]

Nice to see you here Hurtbox!

[@CharlieTooHuman]

skytop082 You obviously never played Postal 1. And even Postal 2 is pretty fucked up WITH all of that "charm" and satire... (I don't know where you got charm from... Because the game is pretty fucking far from charming in any kind of way) Burning people alive and then taking a steamy piss on their crawling charred bodies is totally okay, as long as there is the thin veil of "satire and charm" covering it.

[@GamingHistorian]

Remember the scene in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 where you open fire in a crowded airport? Seems just as bad.

[@VegaOpeth]

They censored that in a few countries

[@leon30517]

eh i didn't give a shit

[@MrNull73]

***** Correction, you're actually playing as an undercover CIA agent infiltrating a terrorist cell.

[@Bourikii2992]

***** So pretending to be a terrorist and killing innocents is okay but actually being a psychopathic murderer and killing innocents way overboard.....? Mhm okay.

[@Bourikii2992]

***** That's subjective. Are you supposed to enjoy killing people in Hatred or do you just enjoy it? Postal had the ability to kill random people and some people went ape shit but majority didn't because there is still a concise difference between killing a real innocent person and killing a virtual thing that is programmed to pretend to be innocent.

[@Butterworthy]

The game honestly disgusts me. The trailer made my stomach churn. HOWEVER, I would defend the creator's right to make it with my life if necessary. For me, it comes down to a scenario of "kill or be killed". I'll mow down armies of people if they're all out to kill me, but when you're executing people (to be fair, virtual representations of them) that aren't a threat to you, who are begging for their life as you pull the trigger...that's way too far for me. So again, just to reiterate: The game disgusts me. I 100% back the rights of people to make and purchase the game.

[@Butterworthy]

***** I don't give a damn what Boogie says. These are my thoughts and my words.

[@joecarrazzoni4426]

haha, i watch much more violent *real* videos, of innocent people being killed just for the fun, i don't know what's wrong with people these days, very sensitive and shit like that, grow up your minds and them realize that dis is just a game about killing ragdoll 3d models.

[@EckkoVoid]

Game disgusts me to, but if you are a gamer, you've killed millions of people in video games. Killing is killing. Style don't matter.

[@Butterworthy]

EckkoVoid Context matters. Context always matters.

[@EckkoVoid]

Butterworthy Not in this case. In the end, you are still killing people.

[@UltraDTA]

This isn't fun anymore. This is just bad taste. They said there was no slippery slope. We were wrong. Fuck what games have become. We take all the negative aspects of humanity, bundle it together, and call it art, and there are too many fucking stupid people who love their precious games and movies too much to dare question the limits that were/are pushed. We have gone from Mortal Kombat to this in 20 years. What's next? Child rape simulator? It's art right? People have the right to make it, no? This trailer is what sent me to the other side of this argument. We HAVE gone too far.

[@RetroBigCat75]

UltraDTA For the rape simulator, I read an article about that somewhere in Japan a few years ago (I read it on CNN website).

[@karlking7092]

***** Video games absolutely can be a work of art. There is absolutely no way this could be argued against. Art is subjective, but art can be anything that is created to convey a particular emotion or reaction.

[@karlking7092]

I am an artist, and a video game designer, so I am biased but I disagree completely. Trying to define art can be tricky, but without art there is no creation, and vice versa. The sad thing is, I respect the right of these developers to make this game as much as it sickens me. I just don't have to like it. But if you think video games are not art, you are missing out on a lot of the enjoyment that many can get from games. It isn't always about high scores and killing.

[@karlking7092]

I agree with most of that. The gameplay is always most important. And I agree not all games are art. I certainly don't consider Call of Duty art, but I won't argue if someone else thinks it is; to each his own I guess. But I think one of the difficult things about defining art is just that - it means something different to everyone. And to some, this game might very well be art. I would disagree, but that is only to what suits my tastes, and everyone will have their own tastes and opinions.

[@X-Cactus]

Please, have a seat, because you are really (In the words of Qaadir Howard) carrying right now.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

This game is messed up! Going around killing innocent people? I never play any games like that, I only play happy non-violent games like GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, IV, CoD, and Just Cause. All peaceful games with the "M" for "More Fun" rating.

[@Anonymous1337lulz]

sarcasm is hilarious.

[@michaelfowler3514]

Dang man Your goal in all those games is to kill innocent people? You don't do any of the story missions? Or side missions? Or even online?

[@TheSecondR]

Best comment I've read today.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

Michael Fowler Actually I was just being witty, the main thing I like to do in sandbox games is just drive around. When I do kill innocent people it is usually just to get the cops to chase me so I can lead them on a marry chase and watch them crash when trying to follow me off jumps. In general shooting innocents isn't much fun since they don't shoot back and offer no challenge, heck, I even turned off the auto lock since it made shootouts too boring. I play the story and side missions too, I've actually 100% GTA III, VC, SA, LCS, and IV. I can see the market for a game like this though, I'm not really one for rampages, but I have a friend that can't go two story missions without shooting a bunch of random people. He does it like Hatred too, holding them at gunpoint for a while before taking them out. Still though, outside of video games he is perfectly normal, kind of throwing the stupid "videogames turn you into a murderer" theory out the window.

[@michaelfowler3514]

I was being witty also

[@TheMasterOfDooM]

People are just too sensitive. No, these aren't innocent people being killed, they're virtual characters who do not exist and never will exist. Also The Evil Within is an awesome game.

[@mr.arbiter996]

Ight

[@FirestormAudio]

Not a big deal. We've been doing this forever in GTA.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Thank you, one of the things that I noticed too. We kill people in GTA all the time and in Saints Row but that's somehow not bad? Yet this is -_- Shit makes literally zero sense

[@CODMWRplayer]

AlphaOmegaSin I'm never offended by any video games because the people are not real. Nothing represents stuff that could be real life; which is coincidence. But I think the reason why this game is getting hate is because it looks like the whole point of this is just solely killing civilians. You could argue GTA and Saints Row, but there's many other things you can do besides killing, which one of many things because they have more to offer. I'm sorry if this sounds like an attack comment, but I love your videos man.

[@minuteworld9492]

TONE. gta and saints row has a lighter TONE. this is just dark messed up emo shit.

[@Superintendent_ChaImers]

AlphaOmegaSin I think everybody who was played grand theft auto has at some point gone on a killing spree. Me personally, I have gone on a killing spree with a large purple dildo found in the police shower room, via San Andreas...... 100 people will never be the same. I racked up a 6 star wanted level......... Beat an army man to death with it too.

[@creepshowandgore1112]

AlphaOmegaSin People will use the accuse saying "Oh but it wasn't the main focus of the game". People will find a way to bitch about this game.

[@commanderdon4300]

I don't care that people don't like this game, but what does piss me off is that people would go out of their way to stop others playing it. If you don't like it then don't play it but for fuck sake don't ruin it for everyone else.

[@outofthisworld4000]

I think Postal got away with ALOT of shit because of the comedy relief.

[@mcgibs]

Donovan Adams There's Postal 1, which IIRC was pretty dark like Hatred. Either way I probably am going to play it as I did find Postal 1 compelling enough to finish.

[@outofthisworld4000]

Yeah they're dark games and personally I can see why it will offend people opposed to other games....but it doesn't offend me personally. Postal was dope.

[@mouthmw]

Donovan Adams Postal 1 did not have the humor of Postal 2. Hatred is basically Postal 1 HD. Ironically, Postal 1 HD is in the making... We had this shit in the 90s people, it's nothing new.

[@outofthisworld4000]

Postal HD?! Shut up! Are you serious! That's dope! As far as haterd I won't play it for a different reason it looks like it will get boring after a while I play gta and go on a mayhem and get bored after a hour.

[@mouthmw]

Donovan Adams oh yes, I think it's called "Postal Redux". Hopefully, it'll be brutally fun and nothing short of insane! :D

[@JohnnyDominion]

Thank you Alpha for having a brain and realizing people are crying over data and feeding them a sack of their own shit.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Save the 1's and 0's! lol

[@JohnnyDominion]

AlphaOmegaSin Cleary their worth the time. Let's ban together and stand up for the rights of our digital comrades. HA HA HA HA

[@Blackpapalink]

AlphaOmegaSin That's a good moto. Fight for Violent Video Game's Rights. Save the 1's and 0's.

[@SKK329]

AlphaOmegaSin Digital people are living breathing people too- Oh wait... xD

[@Blackpapalink]

Chris Smith Their Digital bodies feel pain from the weapons.... Oh No! He's bleeding 1's and 0's.

[@Piranhaheat]

Honestly, I've always been the guy that was "holy shit guys, it's not that big of a deal." But this one, I don't know. I feel like it did go a bit too far. The innocence of the victims in this game, DOES in fact make me think this is a reflection of violent outbursts in which someone who is mentally unstable does consume innocent lives. In games where there is gratuitous violent, but the victims of the killing are enemies that are being antagonized is fine in my book. It's a way to exemplify character motive and a way to drive the story. The main character of Hatred is a person who is mad at society, but does not have a definitive reason for his attacks on the individuals. And going back to the thought of this being not a direct reinterpretation of an actual event does not really matter. Because the idea of the game can still be correlated to horrific and often massacres of the innocent. Also, I believe the developers of Hatred are involved in Neo-Nazism, which is an absolute no-no, so for that reason and that reason alone, this game will get 0% of my support. In all honesty, I don't care too much on the frontier of Hatred's gameplay. But I would say it went a teensy bit too far :P

[@EncoreVGC]

+1, agreed.

[@huskiesghost]

Am I the only one noticing the title "Hatred" looks like the same font as Doom?

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

I had noticed that too, maybe a respectful nod?

[@yourgamechest]

Nope, that also caught my eye :)

[@_chew_]

If you ask me, it's not going far enough. I want a game where you can kill whoever you want in all sorts of different and creative ways, and then do things with their corpses, like collecting them until you have enough to build a house out of them, and decorate it with guts and skulls(just one example). There should also be an option to blow entire buildings up, and add fireworks to the explosives so that when you make the whole street go "BOOM" it looks like a party. Shooting and stabbing is nice, but it gets old after a while. More options would make the game more entertaining.

[@americanliberal09]

Yeap! this game is very tamed compared towards manhunt, because hatred ain't got nothing on manhunt.

[@reubenlahive3936]

You need help... get help

[@chris7285]

Hex it’s just pixels on a screen guys....relax

[@mjarbo]

Polygon has written 5 articles about this game over the course of the past few days. They are riding the "hatred train", and profiting off of it.

[@Wastingsometimehere]

Well all these gaming websites are showing their true colors nowadays aren't they?

[@davidbush8341]

But where is the rich narrative or formation of joy-joy friendships with NPCs in a game like that?

[@mr.arbiter996]

Ight

[@DestructiveCreationsOfficial]

666 likes for you from the DC team! You are on the right side, dude. :)

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

The difference between this and stuff like GTA and Mortal Kombat is that killing innocent people is the primary objective of the game. In MK, your opponent fights back and it's a balanced playing field. In GTA, there are other things to do besides going on a killing spree. I'm not too offended by it myself, but I can totally understand if anyone else is.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Are you aware of the term splitting hairs? Cause currently exhibiting it to the fullest

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

I'm not splitting hairs. You still kill people in those games, but the question at hand with Hatred is why you're killing. Again, I'm not offended by it, and if it's a good game, I might pick it up. But you can't just lump it with Mortal Kombat because it's in certain respects, vastly different.

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

Dallas Cowboys For Life That's one way to look at it, yes. I'm looking at it from a more philosophical aspect. This isn't me going Jack Thompson on you, but it just comes off as trying to shock more than entertain, which isn't the best sign.

[@davidburke4101]

So because it's optional to kill people in gta that makes it okay? The other arguement being that because someone can defend themselves it's okay too. People who are drafted for a war aren't innocent people anymore? It was right and okay for them to be killed because they can now defend themselves and it is war?

[@jackpress15]

AlphaOmegaSin Yes, but the problem is that in GTA you are given penalties for murdering innocent civilians, in this game even if you die that's what the main character wants, to kill and be killed. In GTA, if you kill people you will be hunted by the police, either get busted or wasted, then get all your guns taken away so I hope you didn't spend tons of money on those weapons because they all go bye bye! In Hatred, it's kill and be killed, and the only people who might have a chance to kill you is the police, but you just kill them as well. Oh and the violence wouldn't bother me so much if the people weren't begging for their lives, or if we actually knew why this guy wants to kill everyone.

[@x_VALTIEL_x]

Thank you. Just thank you...

[@Marillion1977]

Im sure that the game has pegi 18, so that means adult only! Should a 10 year old play this game? No. Should a 10 year old consume alcohol? No. Should a mentally disturbed person play this game? No, he should be undergoing treatment in a mental institution. Should a perfectly sane person as "i" am, be able to play this game? Hell yeah. Why? Because its my democratic institutional right to consume art in any form! Yes that's right, video games is as much of an artform as books and Movies. Video games don't kill people, people kill people!!

[@justanotherutuber3]

nobodys going to check if they're selling the game to somebody mental though

[@Nera-Red-93]

Damn straight!

[@Marillion1977]

justanotherutuber3 So your point is exactly? Violent and disturbing content in media like Books, Movies and Video games should be prohibited? Guns should not be sold, because a mentally disturbed person might buy one? Disturbing lyrics in songs aswell? Like, "kill people" because it might inspire a sick person to commit murder?

[@Nirvashicus]

This game HAS gone too far. Yeah, in things like GTA and etc etc, you can kill innocent people. The difference here is yeah, story and whatever. However you're all missing the IMPORTANT THING HERE. This game is 100% pure unleaded fuel for the people who are against video games, and violent media in general. The existence of this game means more people who will attack the ENTIRE INDUSTRY and all of the people who partake in it. Just the trailer existing to begin with is going to set the argument back a decade. In GTA, there's a narrative and zero reason to kill civilians. Sure people do it, but your characters don't grow their hair down to their back, dye it black, whine a bunch of emo shit and massacre people. And it's not like this is playing it off as a horror game or anything. It's almost like the game is marketing towards the depressed suicidal middleschool/highschool kids who haven't learned anything about the real world yet. The content itself on an individual basis isn't *much* worse than what we're used to in sandboxy type games, but the combination, and the tone, and now all of the press it's getting? We as a gaming community will now have to defend ourselves from everyone else pointing at this game and going "SEE? SEE? THIS IS WHY GAMES ARE BAYUD!"

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

Oh shhhhh please. Just...just...shhh

[@brandonsylver2276]

What the fuck does growing your hair and dying it black have to do with murdering people?

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

You do realize the industry has been attacked for years for shit way smaller than this right? You do realize that GTA was under fire numerous times for the same exact allegations that you're presenting as a defense. you think this game is suddenly gonna be the tipping scale? Give me a fucking break, this is just one of hundreds of games to come out every year with over the top extreme content and there will be more next year and the year after and the year after. Nothin new here yet you're suddenly under the impression it is lol man oh man.....

[@Nirvashicus]

Brandon Sylver Missing the point. The game has created the stereotypical angry person, and put him into this scenario where he will do EXACTLY what media outlets like Fox News and junk have portrayed all the other games of doing. I have long hair myself. I'm just saying the non-gamer people out there are going to see this and pin it on the whole industry

[@Nirvashicus]

AlphaOmegaSin I don't think this is going to "tip the scale" or anything. The problem though, is when things like GTA get attacked, we can say things like "Well, story, penalties, context etc". However with this game, what are people going to be able to say to defend ourselves from this? We as gamers are already seen as fucked up people with pent up aggression, and now this is going to only amplify that notion. Remember when Peta made that Pokemon game, where they got all bloodied up and everything, because they wanted to protest the idea of animals fighting eachother? This game is in the same vein as that. It's like it was only made to damage the image of the industry.

[@Spiderboydk]

No one gives a fuck when you do atrocities and obliterate cities in the Civilization series. Double standards FTW.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Amazing isn't it?

[@MartinKincl1993]

There's a slight difference between a nuke and an AK-47. Guess which one is more affordable?

[@tompeterson7067]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only people who are going to go on killing sprees after watching movies or playing video games are ones who would do so anyway. A cold blooded murderer isn't created by media or video games, they are that way to begin with. The people who believe that such things are responsible for someone's bad actions are people who believe that a person is incapable of making decisions without some sort of stimuli. Yet these are the self same people who when a person claims insanity as a reason for having killed someone that were fully aware of what they were doing and made a conscious choice to do it.

[@tompeterson7067]

You got that right.

[@Mentski]

Like nobody's taken a break from the storyline of a crime sandbox game like GTA or Saints Row to go on a murderous killing spree for kicks... Hatred reminds me of a modern-day version of the original Postal, similar outcry to an extent but now there's a whole breed of over sensitive complainers out there now. AlphaOmegaSin Have you heard of an Australian comedian called Steve Hughes? I got a feeling you'll like him, I won't link to him in this comment as it'll no doubt get flagged as spam, but search for his "Offended" piece on KZbin, something very apt for this "outcry".

[@TrueChaoSclx]

I fucking love that comedian xD I'd forgotten his name, thanks for mentioning him.

[@MichaelRaphaelDHSithFuhrer1316]

TrueChaoSclx Are you stupid?

[@TrueChaoSclx]

Michael Raphael The fact that you'd go out of your way to ask me that on a comment where my intention is pretty clear makes me wonder if YOU are, in fact, stupid. Hint: Read ALL of Mentski's comment. They mention Steve Hughes.

[@Mentski]

Michael Raphael Come here, you need a hug. Bring it in, there there. Nobody's going to hurt you any more.

[@TrueChaoSclx]

Michael Raphael Who pissed in your cereal? I'm at a loss for words, your reply just.. wow. It's not even *funny*. It's just sad.

[@coolman299]

Its important to make and maintain a distinction between reality and fiction, at the end of the day you can massacre an entire civilization in a game, and it will still be just that, a game. Murdering innocent civilians is nothing new to gaming anyway, its a bit of an over reaction PR wise in my opinion. Theres certainly things in bad taste in my eyes when it comes to gaming (the postal franchise comes to mind with this), such as murdering the innocent, but that shouldn't stop companies from doing it, or keep people from enjoying it. This will always be an understandably sensitive topic, but theres no direct connection to video games and violent behavior either, I see no reason people make such a fuss over it.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Completely and 100% agree

[@utubefitnesswhorelover3268]

I agree. But what about that small group of people that are crazy and can't seem to distinguish whats real or will use this to fuel a fire within themselves. I mean crazy shit has happened before and what if some crazy fucks copy this game?

[@aPIMPnameMOS3S]

it's like that one cod mw2 mission, but is the whole game.

[@RPGmario64]

To the guy above me. Just because there are a few idiots doesn't mean everybody should be punished.

[@coolman299]

utubefitnesswhore lover Thats just it, those are the people who need to be watched over and protected most of all, so they cannot harm themselves or worse; others. Alot of times when the media tries to paint video games, as the cause of someones violence, they already had a mental disorder of some kind beforehand, its VERY important that those people are diagnosed as early as possible, and that proper care is taken to keep them and others out of harms way, so they can get the treatment they need. Edit: Another thing worth mentioning is that video games are really the same as ANY art form, If video games became illegal all of the sudden, we would have to ban all violent television, and all violent movies and books, paintings that depict death and such (you get the idea)

[@Zerobruno89]

Gamer reaction: 1-watch trailer. 2-comment about it. 3-decide if you like it or not. 4-move on to the next game. 5-repeat. it's a violent videogame,so what,if you don't like it,don't buy it. if you are a paren't,make sure your child can't get his/her hands on it(it's your dutty after all) if you feel it's not for you,then get your hype and hard-earned money to other game problem solved

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

The absolute best way to handle it

[@randomgamerdude98]

More people need to be like you. But unfortunately there will always be protesters and politicians who try and blame violence on video games

[@clawsthewolf89]

Thank u

[@Zerobruno89]

randomgamerdude98 indeed,i can see now,the next big murder is gonna be blamed on this one,i'm sure of it

[@skyekross]

6-is it modable? if yes wait for a zombie/alien shooter spin off :D

[@kyletm57]

I struggle to understand how Hatred is worse than Hotline Miami. In Hotline, I game I and many other people loved dearly, you kill an insane amount of russian gang members and police officers (let's not forget the level where you tear apart an ENTIRE POLICE STATION). The only context you get for each mission is very obscure phone calls with no details as to why you are killing. Does Hotline get a free pass because it has techno music and bright visuals?

[@odinsnivygunner]

The burns. The burns.

[@notthesnicksnacks2014]

Do... do I really need to explain everything wrong with what you just said? First off‚ as a huge fan of HM‚ "No explanation for what you're doing" No. If you actually played the game you would know that Jacket is signed up for a patriot organization‚ 50 Blessings. Before he got back home he was in the Army‚ assisting in a war against Russians. When he came back home‚ he signed up. Beard‚ the man who gives you free things‚ is a hallucination. The reason Jacket imagines him giving him free things is due to the last time Beard saw Jacket‚ he had said "This one's on the house" he's not getting paid to kill people. Anyway‚ when Jacket begins receiving phone calls‚ he goes to investigate. He discovers the locations are full of Russian Mobsters‚ as he is combat trained‚ and used to fighting Russians‚ he is more than happy to be back fighting Russians who actually deserve to die rather than the ones he fought in the Army. It... it's a bit racist‚ but you'll hear why soon. Progress through the game and finish it‚ and you'll play as biker. Who you may recall as a boss fight. The ONLY time you can ever kill an innocent in HM is in one of Biker's act's. The one where the boss fight happened. The chapter is titled "Prank Call" biker is also in 50 Blessings. Coincidence? As you go through the game you'll find small purple dots. Get them all‚ and in the "Puzzle" option of the menu put in "IwasbornintheUSA" and in the final act you will see a computer‚ activate it and you will input the code and get the actual ending‚ 50 Blessings is the organization bent on destroying the Russo American alliance. See? HM has a story. One that I told horribly. Plus‚ Hatred is a bit disgusting to me. There's most likely no story. It's just... killing innocent people. I'm fairly certain there is going to be children in it as well? That's just... fucked up.. I mean... in HM 2 technically you kill a teenager... but he just slaughtered 26 mafia members. Scratch that. You kill a few on the last mission. You play as the son of the Mafia Boss‚ you kill the main characters.

[@kyletm57]

Yes I know HM has a story, and I'm very familiar with it, but it's extraordinarily and purposefully vague. Until you piece everything together, you have no idea why you are killing hundreds of mobsters. You still didn't address the fact that you take out an entire police station, and Biker literally only kills because he was "bored". Plus Jacket kills some homeless guy and Biker, as you said, murders a shitload of civilians at the phone company. Even without knowing what the hell was going on (especially toward the beginning of the game), you, me, and thousands of people played through Hotline Miami not just enjoying ourselves, but feeling success and power every single time we killed an enemy. HM and HM 2 are fantastic games, and I am very much looking forward to hatred. When it's released, I will judge the game not on the principle behind it, but for it's quality as a game.

[@fuckoffwiththehandles]

kyletm57 Hotline Miami is highly stylised and self aware (the game pretty much outright asks you "You love killing people, don't you?"). Hatred isn't. You're an utter mouthbreathing fucktard if you really can't see how this makes a difference.

[@kyletm57]

Gurnle The Dark Chair God First of all, calling me an "utter mouthbreathing fucktard" from the safety of your computer only proves to me that you're a gutless coward. Secondly, Hatred appears to be an extremely dark and grim game. The main character is known as the "antagonist", and the horrible acts that you commit during the game are obviously not glorified or defended. Think of the film "American Psycho", a movie that won countless awards and praise, in which the main character is a brutal and sadistic serial killer who's only motivation is the pleasure of murder. Are we supposed to like him? No. And something tells me we aren't supposed to fall in love with the long haired, trench coat wearing prick that is the star of Hatred. So again, when this game is released, I will judge it based upon it's merits as a game, rather than taking the bullshit moral high road that you have so quickly hopped aboard.

[@thearmoredbluedragon113]

This has no value, no story, no conflict, no point other than to be shocking. It only damages gaming's image and really is what critics of the medium always say violent games are about.

[@bagnman]

How would you know that it has no story no conflict or value? Have you played it?

[@thearmoredbluedragon113]

tired No obviously. My assumption is based solely on what the trailer presented as to the games premise. If the game is what it claims to be then it is disgusting and damaging to gaming as a whole. It is possible it is more than what it seems. Perhaps it has some redeeming quality or point to it but it sure does not look that way. Murdering innocents as the goal is not entertainment or art. Way to draw the attention of regulators and make their case for them, just what we all want right?

[@bagnman]

The premise in the trailer failed to impress me. One tiny game should not be represent the whole gaming scene to begin with. That is a easy way to get the discussion on fast discourse. There are books and movies I loathe but they don't represent the whole medium and was never intended to do so either. People should be free to play what they like. This is isometric game and not a real massacre reenactment.

[@thearmoredbluedragon113]

True, but that is not how the news, politics, and public perception operate.

[@rtyrtyrty123123123]

Justin Malesevich Why should we care about that. Trust have never been lower for the news and politics, especially after they went all in half cocked on the radical feminists side.

[@willnox1]

Can't wait to play this!!!! Finally another good kill em all title!!!!

[@CJonson234]

Lorenzo S This game will be 18+. If you're letting your kids play 18+ games, it's not devs fault, it's just you being a fucking irresponsible parent.

[@willnox1]

Can't wait regardless!!! I murder people and get murdered in just about every game I play so theres no difference.

[@furutanimura3466]

Lorenzo S Your analogy doesn't work as a snuff film is real whereas violent movies/tv shows are not. Additionally you make the point that because YOU find It in poor taste, he should as well. You are forcing your own sense of morality(which Is completely subjective) on him for his choice in GAMING. Perhaps you should grow up.

[@willnox1]

Grow up? No thanks. Who are you say grow up too any way? Stay young no matter what age.

[@darkmannight1]

Looks good for what is so but the killing and murder looks really fun

[@horizon4895]

It's honestly sad that people keep complaining about things like these... While completely disregarding the existence of a age rating system, that makes it clear that it's not a game for children, and while disregarding the existence of thousands of games that have you - the player - killing off others, whether it's another player's character or a NPC. Is it not the parent's fucking responsibility to make sure their child does not touch this sort of shit and pay attention? Because I have the feeling that's one of the problems in today's society.

[@kurisu7885]

Someone said some parents aren't tech savvy enough to look on the computer to see if their kid has been playing media they object to. I was thinking "SO they can't operate a keyboard on Google?"

[@Danny-is5if]

Horizon Most last gen parents are completely fucking useless when it comes to these things, I have complete faith in this generations parenthood. Although that doesn't change the fact that completely useless people in high places can ban these type of games for absolutely no reason, blame it on real life killings yada yada yada,

[@kurisu7885]

Danny Moe Depends on the country. In the USA that can't happen for example.

[@Bayonetta-U1QTJ]

Parents are too lazy nowadays... ESPECIALLY In North America.

[@R3SerialPro]

I'm interested in HATRED, mostly due to the fact that the main title uses DOOM font.

[@melissadobbins1831]

I have this game and its a load of fun! I feel people do overreact over everything and anything just to complain about anything.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

I guess people opinions is not always the same afterall.

[@melissadobbins1831]

+L16htW4rr10r um yea since we are all different and we all think differently so yea everyones opinion is differnet

[@L16htW4rr10r]

+Melissa Dobbins Out of curiosity, what do you like about the game?

[@melissadobbins1831]

+L16htW4rr10r just the utter violence and the execution videos I find this game like many others.. Mortal Kombat for example a lovely way to let off steam so instead of punching a hole in the wall or breaking someones teeth your killing/beating/mutilating a digital character that don't exist xD

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Melissa Dobbins That is true. I will most likely never play either hatred or MK because I cant stand gore. Xo

[@MightyJabroni]

I can easily see why many have a problem with Hatred. Because not only is the game brutal and cruel aesthetically, but also it is equally rotten in narrative and concept as it seems. Everything in this game is about downright committing a killing spree and it appears to be presented as realistic as one can expect it with the modern day possibilities. It is like the „No Russian“ mission in CoD extended into an entire video game. And I don't like that one bit. On a very superficial level it seems to be a perfectly valid point to say: “Grow a dick you virgin! There is brutal stuff in many video games, movies and stuff. Let alone that you can run around and randomly kill people in any sandbox game like GTA and Watch Dogs ... ” Fair enough …. it is NOT. There are glaring differences. First of all, there is brutality - and then there is brutality. Comparing this shit with Mortal Kombat is like comparing Hostel with Brain Dead. The first one is disturbing gore porn while the latter is so ridiculous over the top that one just can't take it serious. Just like Mortal Kombat. I mean, does anyone take Mortal Kombat serious? The thing with brutality is that it is not about how explicit it is. Especially not in this day and age. But about how abstract or authentic the context is. Horror games get away with it, because their brutality is obviously abstracted. Because there are no werewolves, zombies or pyramid heads for real. But this game presents it's rotten content in a very authentic way. Both - in execution (well that came out wrong ….) and approach. It is “honest” brutality so to speak. And as such very tasteless and downright disturbing. Oh and this lame argument: “It is not real! It is just code ...” Well, based on that you could defend anything … even a child molesting or raping simulator. Also comparing it with any sandbox game, where you can run around and kill everybody, is missing a few things. In all the sandbox games killing a bunch of people is just possible because these games being so open in design demands it. However, even in GTA, you do not downright execute people, let alone in Skyrim. Sure, you can play the fox in the henhouse in these games; but it never feels very realistic, mostly because how the NPCs behave (goofy voice overs, running around randomly, attacking you). Most the time, killing people in these games is not presented in a very realistic and brutal way. It overall has a “video-gamy” and goofy feeling to it. However, if you design a game with the tech, that we have available, for running amok to be the core gameplay element …. OF FUCKING COURSE it will be a dozen times more realistic and as such very disturbing. And yeah, I have a big fucking problem with that. BTW - I also hated Manhunt for it's violence porn. As did many others BTW …. but even in Manhunt there was some degree of abstraction to the violence due to the over-the-top horror themed setting. Whereas in hatred there seem to be no brakes attached on this downhill trip. I mean if that is okay, then what comes next? Maybe the aforementioned child molesting or raping simulator? Are there any boundaries?

[@Equinoksl]

Lorenzo S MightyJabroni I couldn't say it any better. Thank you. What's wrong with people here in the comments attacking others like me for having moral standards. Is that realy such a bad thing nowadays? I was taken aback by how needlesly brutal Lara killes her victims in the Tomb raider reboot. It was poor taste, didn't fit her charakter at all and wasn't needed at all. It was only implemented to please the Gears of War crowd who can't heve enough blood in their games. Don't treat stuff like this like it's a good thing. I have no problem killing dozens of enemys in games IF MY LIFE OR THAT OF OTHERS IS THREATEND. But who said it had to look as gory as possibe or it won't sell/won't be fun? And murdering hundreds of innocents and calling it fun is making me sick to my stomach. "Oh but it's ok because i said so and they are just pixels anyway". Not everything should be allowed or done JUST BECAUSE IT COULD BE DONE. And yes i have played many Violent games in my life and enjoy them. Games like Devil may Cry, Dantes Inferno and Ninja Gaiden. But i despise Snuff and Slasher movies, games like Manhunt and avoid "wargames" like Battlefield and Call of Duty because they are overly patriotic and glorifies war, something i know is happening right now somewhere irl and don't feel the need to see, let alone play. Im all against Censorship. But as a statement against it this is going too far. Games should entertain. The only "entertaining" thing about this "game" is the buzz it creates.

[@MightyJabroni]

SlamdogX "Nobody goes from normal to full murder mode from playing a game." Yeah ... which is what nobody of us claimed to be the case btw. So your point is? The premise and concept of the game is just fucking hideous. Again - if this is supposed to be okay, then why not a concentration camp management game or a rape simulator? Obviously everything goes as long as at least one idiot is entertained .... The point is that something as gruesome and coward as a fucking killing spree is presented as a piece of entertaining media to play through. I can't even imagine why someone would want to play such garbage.

[@Bourikii2992]

Lorenzo S Porn is harmless to a child considering from the second a human or any other animal is born they are genetically going to have sex or know about sex. I saw porn as a 6 year old and I treat woman with way more respect than any of my friends who were brought up sheltered from everything "bad" in the world. I also watched R rated movies and played M rated games with way more violence than this game. Guess what I have never been in a fight in my life and I have never assaulted killed raped pillaged or did anything bad really. You know what the worse thing I have done in my life was. Stole a chocolate are once when I was 5.

[@MightyJabroni]

SlamdogX Dude, you want to lecture me about argumentation - basically by saying: "Your argument is by a certain rhetorcial structure" (well, which one hasn't, genius) " and therefore is BS." Then you proceed to draw a comparrison to something frowned opun (opossing gay marriage), which gas absoloutely nothing to do with the disussion at hand. Way to go! But when you dare to actually refer to the topic, itr is the same stuff all over again. "It's a game, not fucking real life.", is exactly as one track minded as saying "it's just code". Great, then Hitler's "Mein Kampf" are just letters, I guess. See something? It is preaty easy to argue that way. Even if it completely misses the point. It just baffles me that you find it so hard to understand that some thngs, like a fucking killing spree, shouldn't be prortrayed for our interactive, voideo gaming entertainment. it is an utterly profane approach to a horrible crime and pretty fucking decadent if I might add. Seriously, is it that hard to wrap your head around this point of view? "What do you get out of bitching about the game? If you don't like the game ignore it." Funny - severela defenders of this filth have refered to "freedom of speech" in defense of this game. But if one doesn't like it and would at least and VERY basic degree of decency being left intact in video gaming, then he/she is meant to "just ignore it". To bad that freedom of spech is not an one way street.

[@MightyJabroni]

SlamdogX "Just because this game is allowed to exist doesn't mean there is magically gonna be a fucking "rape simulator"." This coming from the guy, who then points out, that such a thing actually eixsts. Apparantly there is no "magic" required ....

[@TerminatorTX3]

In short I think Hatred isn't going to far, and would even go as far as saying that the gamers who defend GTA are hyprocrites that have a problem with Hatred.

[@scorgi0]

Well I mean killing innocents seen in GTA is more like optional. But in this game the entire objective is to kill as many innocents as possible including police and the tone of it is very dark. So I can see why people think it was taken too far. Either way I just bought the game for $2.03 on steam Lol

[@fy9519]

I swear to god, EVERY TIME someone mentions random innocent civilians dying in a game they just seem to forget that Grand Theft Auto exists.

[@ProtoMario]

I do not disagree with you, but, those games still disturb me quite a bit. Not saying I don't play GTA V, but I think there is a fine line, and some games just gover the edge a little bit too much. A good example would be man hunt, and the dev's working on it admitted that it made them greatly un-comfortable. But how I feel is if you do not wanna play it, don't buy it. Simple.

[@mr.arbiter996]

Ight

[@Camille_92]

Dont know what all the hype is for, I love hatred. It is perfect game and makes me feel excited and relieves stress. Now I dont have to really kill anyone, people should be thankful that I can simulate how I feel in a game of hatred. No one is innocent.

[@TheDedloc]

No I don't think its gone too far. Ive played every grand theft auto since gta3 and its literally the exact same thing with a little less gore. So its okay to do if your a thug.. or member of a mafia.. but if your just a guy that hates humanity in general then its totally fucked up..? Where exactly is the line that's being crossed? I think Hatred should just use steams ban on the game to help sell it even more. The game that was just "too violent" for stores. I would totally tell my friends.. hey you can go to hatred.com n purchase a game so violent stores won't carry it. They probably wouldn't believe me at first! I'm in to it though.. I like it. Do I have the same beliefs.. no. But I like shit that crosses that line! Been a gta fan for over 10 years!! Shame on stream for not supporting the gaming community they've been such a big part of. I hope the devs find a way to get it sold.. fuck steam.

[@Bourikii2992]

Justin Stille Steams is going to sell it.

[@Shiro149]

also i would like to point out all of the postal games, you can do loads of crazy shit in those games, and people weren't saying "IT'S THE SPAWN OF SATAN IT'S GONE TOO FAR" boo hoo, it's game they need to get over it.

[@CatsOfOlympus]

The difference between the likes of GTA and other open-world games are that the stories are focused on other things. While killing others is a goal in most missions, this doesn't mean that every civilian must die or that the people are innocent themselves. In the missions I've played in GTA (I've played every GTA) the people I'm told to "kill" are also criminals and it's a reflection on a criminal under-world and warning to not get involved in a sense. In GTA 4 there were times where I could choose to let the targets live. There are also several side things to do that include playing tennis, going to a theatre, going out to eat, etc. From the limited context the trailer for Hatred has provided it seems that the main goal and only "mission" is to kill civilians, which is not how GTA works. I'm not saying you shouldn't play the game, I'm just offering another angle to the debate. For all we know there could be a story behind all of this and the devs just don't know how to properly make a trailer that reflects that. We won't know of course until it is released, but for the time being it just seems to be a distasteful work that's out for shock value. People may also reference the scene in COD: MW2 in the airport where you slowly walked through with a mini-gun and shot all in sight. That was also super gross to me, but what a lot of people didn't realise is that you didn't actually have to pull the trigger yourself. You were allowed to just walk through it all without harming anyone yourself, or you could straight up skip the mission. Hatred seems to be that mission made into an entire game which is why it's a bit different than other Rated M games. Once again I'm not saying not to play it, in fact ESRB gave it an AO rating so it really won't be readily available to a lot of people and I'm content with that, I'm just offering a different perspective.

[@CharlieTooHuman]

***** Have you actually played it? Or are you just saying that because you're offended.

[@CharlieTooHuman]

***** Obviously you didn't see the police and military personnel in the trailers. Or the fact that you can burn down houses and wreak endless havoc on the environment around you through multiple means. You're judging the game because you're offended. Just admit it. And yeah, in GTA if you run over countless pedestrians, beat prostitutes to a bloody pulp, rob banks, and throw molotov cocktails into crowds of yuppies then I guess you're just labeled "a dick" not a psychopathic criminal.

[@matman000000]

I don't want Hatred to be banned, but I still think it's a disgusting game that's trying to capitalize on real-life tragedies. If there's gonna be some kind of clever twist and interesting subtext, like Spec Ops: The Line or Hotline Miami, it might be good, but right now it seems to go for pure immature shock value.

[@sonicthehedgehog3162]

I'd Rather Have It Banned Period It Crossed The Line To What I Can Accept What I Can Tolerate

[@Skamux]

I actually if you look around you'll see the debs wanted to make a fun shooter from a over the top perspective. But when it came to story design they felt as though too many games gave context to mass murder, however they felt as though mass murder cannot be justified. Therefore they didn't justify it in their game. Besides how many top view first person shooters do you pay attention to story wise.

[@matman000000]

Skamux But context is very important. There's a difference between shooting 30 soldiers in a war, shooting 30 armed criminals as a cop and shooting 30 civilians as a psycho for no reason.

[@matman000000]

Caedíte eos Did those games put you against defenseless civilians? MW2 did, and it was very controversial.

[@Skamux]

Max Payne Exactly, context is important. But it's also stupid. Murder is murder. THe only difference between killing civilians and police officers and killing war victims and soldiers is that their character models look different, therefor we associate them with different emotions and things. But we shouldn't realistically.

[@1337rigs]

I'm Aussie & I was hyped for this game. The day it arrived I found out it was banned in Australia. "An error was encountered while processing your request: This item is unavailable in your country". Big Brother please ban all forms of media, TV, radio, newspaper because real-life news contains real-life stories of hatred.

[@poop1234794]

I have a feeling your Government will ban a game for the main character getting his finger pricked.

[@1337rigs]

+acidbath32 Hatred was a game I wanted to Let's Play on my channel tho. :/ Also Gaben games are so cheap now there's no need to pirate.

[@1337rigs]

+Zombifyed Zombi, actually it was the Developers, Destructive Creations themselves that pulled the game from Germany & Australia to avoid the curdled shitstorm of controversy.

[@darezzi97]

Like I said in that video, moronic games like COD praise you for being a murderer. You're an american "hero" that just goes to other places and kills everyone in sight. And then they say how awesome you are for doing that. THAT should be something to watch out for, considering your kids might get that message. Especially since it's made to be as realistic as possible. On the other hand, GTA, where you have ridiculous amounts of violence, you clearly know it's just fucking around, and the police come after you to take everything you own if you so much as shoot a bullet near people. So I don't really get why this Hatred game is getting so much attention. I mean, it's clear that the guy you're playing as is a psychopath, and anyone that shares his was of thinking is already too far gone. You won't get the wrong message there.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

I've always loved games like Hitman that do all but instantly fail you if you kill any innocent. It encourages you to actually think about what you're doing rather than just kill everyone.

[@Lukefonfabre9]

two words why this game is getting so much attention: GamerGate, the gaming media wants to paint GamerGate is these misoynistic women-haters who are very violent, I've seen people say that "GamerGate made their own game", when this is actually what GamerGate's about: The Evidence and History of #GamerGate

[@MilkyWayToHeaven]

Veterans have stated that CoD is far from realistic. In fact, a lot claim it's an insult and say how disgusting it is to portray that life in such a glorified way. I'm talking about actual veterans who have served and have seen battle.(no offense)

[@darezzi97]

milkywaytoheaven exactly. It SEEMS realistic, all the while murdering being severely glorified.

[@MilkyWayToHeaven]

darezzi97 i see what you mean. I'm just saying, i've spoke to people i know from the army and there's a big difference according to them. It's not action packed or anything like the games, it's a lot more fear than just a first person shooter.

[@DreamcastGuy]

This is the first time I have ever disagreed with you AlphaOmegaSin. The main problem I have is that the victims beg. They run and they beg, they dont try and defend themselves, they just crave life as you take it from them. I have refrained of making a video about this on my channel due to the fact that I cannot stand this torture porn getting any publicity, positive or negative. Keep up the great work man, but this time I must politely say HELLL NO.

[@Oujouj426]

The theme is what's riling people up IMO. The game isn't about shooting, it's about trying to cause fear, chaos, terror, etc. Whilst games like GTA use that in a humorous way, this game just wants the player to feel like the killer in a public shooting.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Right....so in GTA they do run away screaming. In Punisher on PS2 and XBOX they beg for mercy when you decide if you should run their face through a buzzsaw. In the Elder Scrolls games you can kill entire innocent villages of people that never ever return. Heck in certain games killing innocent people changed the dynamic of the game, innocent people that could not fight back no less. look at Fable and Infamous. Now also keep in mind that is just the tip of the iceberg that you're currently ignoring of titles that offer the same options and there's plenty more

[@DreamcastGuy]

AlphaOmegaSin The primary difference is in those situations is that it is not the objective. It is POSSIBLE but not ENCOURAGED to kill everyone in a violent manner. Putting a gun in a crying woman's mouth and pulling the trigger for points is just something that, personally, feels deeply, deeply wrong. I write about games as an art form so when I see things like this it feels like brutal shock art and hurts the medium in general.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

DreamcastGuy Same has been said about the music and movie industry when certain things get released. Your only argument now is that it's not the point to the game but making the option available to you and rewarding you in many cases for it is somehow different. If anything it's showing a large amount of hypocrisy within the gaming community that they will happily accept censorship that they fought so hard against when it was applied tot titles that they love to play

[@Oujouj426]

AlphaOmegaSin It's not about the option to do it, it's about the way the game uses it. You don't really pay mind to what you're doing in the mentioned games, and it's often done in a humorous way, with nothing that could point you towards how dark the things you are doing actually are. This game, however, thrives on the immorality of those actions. It wants the player to enjoy the fear and suffering of their victims. Which is completely fucked up.

[@Interdimensional-cable-tv]

I get your point. But unlinke EVERY other violent games around, killing innocents for no reason is the sole purpose of the game. In MK you kill fighters in a tournament. In COD and BF you kill soldiers in a war. Hatred is different.

[@SmilayBros]

Then what about GTA V? :/

[@Interdimensional-cable-tv]

SmilayBros​ killing innocent people for the hell of it is NOT the objective of GTA.

[@SmilayBros]

But you still did, right?

[@Interdimensional-cable-tv]

SmilayBros There is a huge difference between a game that let you do it, and a game that ask you to do it. My point still stands: Hatred is different from those other violent games.

[@exaghost]

Gta is way different, the main objective isn't to murder innocent people, you also don't murder them executioner style by holding their head up to the barrel of a shot gun, and the main point of gta is to be a successful robber/criminal but that doesn't mean you're a successful murderer in this game

[@Soxfan8Q1]

I never would have even heard of this game if it wasn't for the people complaining about it. So the same people who are trying to stop it are the sole reason it's going to exist in my house. Way to fail, people. Way to fail

[@RolodexEnigma]

The developer has already made it known that they are reacting against the "politically correct" trend in gaming these days, so any controversy on the part of the public is giving them exactly what they want as well as free publicity. They're basically doing what DOOM did in the 90's (Look at Hatred's logo. Look familiar?) Actually I think this game is pretty relevant in this day and age. People like the main character actually exist in real life. If you pay any attention to the news you should know that. Also the topic of a "genocidal crusade" comes up in the trailer (ISIS anyone?) This game is a reflection of and a reaction to the times we live in. I'm hoping they will delve deeper into the characters mind and explain how he came to be that way. That's the only way I see this game actually being worth anything. This is a good opportunity to discuss a dark part of human psychology. I don't that happening though (I doubt the creators are that smart) , but its only the 1st trailer so who knows where this project will end up. So far it just seems like a mindless controversy machine which is fun and all but not very interesting in the end.

[@Rumblyyy]

The news is filled with bullshit and propaganda, if you wasted your time watching it all the time your head meat would go bad in a month.

[@stevenbakker5654]

People say this game is pulling back video games as an art form, and the developer himself said the he wanted to eschew political correctness, and video games as art, but in a way he created a piece of satire that not many games have achieved yet. Michael Haneke did a similar thing with his films Funny Games. He created two very violent movies that made commentary on violent movies. People constantly say that games should try to emulate films, but they want them to do it by their hyper-sensitive standards. If filmmakers had people constantly trying to stop the production of "offensive" films, we wouldn't have films like A Clockwork Orange, Blue Velvet, The Wild Bunch, or Apocalypse Now. SJW gamers want games to grow up, but they need to grow up by exclusively following their values.

[@rubrsoul1672]

Dude stop doing so much coke my god. And no mortal kombat is not the same as this highly realistic massecre- simulator. Sorry but I have respect for those who've lost their lives in massecres. This game just screams all kind of wrong to me. And it's not about whining because we think violence in video games is ruining society. It's about this type of propaganda and it's just a huge slap in the face to many past victims. Just cuz u r extremely opinionated and high energy doesn't make u r opinion god. Your rational is faulty with this one. At least that's my opinion. I would never support a game like this. Never. It's called having respect. There's a line somewhere

[@rubrsoul1672]

Btw. Sry about coke comment. Yes I know you are a good man with morals alpha. I'll continue to support you. We just disagree on this

[@rubrsoul1672]

omg it hurts!

[@rubrsoul1672]

weirdos

[@RonyH7]

Shane Ballance yeah and everybody plays gta for the story, im sure everyone has finished every gta game that they have played, or maybe they just go on a killing spree over and over again.

[@RonyH7]

Shane Ballance but isnt it worse when you actually have the choice to do it and you do it as in gta. In hatred the force you to, you have no choice in the matter.

[@SirLugash]

The comparison to multiplayer games is a bit lacking. Whether it's Battlefield, CS, CoD or any other shooter, your target is to kill the opposing force, not (AI depicting) innocent civilians begging for their lives. If there is nothing more to the story than "I wanna kill everybody because reasons", I'm certainly going to pass on this game.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Actually it's just one of many things that it can be compared to. You're essentially missing the point. Games have offered this level of violence and disturbing imagery since the dawn of gaming and this game is just one of many. It will also be one of many unless people demand censorship which it seems that's what they want. in which case it will eventually lead to other things being considered and other mediums to be targeted until everything is policed and restricted and the ones who suffer were the ones who begged for it to happen

[@SirLugash]

AlphaOmegaSin No one demands censorship. And at least to me, it's not about the violence itself but who the targets are and for what reason.

[@SevenWilly]

AlphaOmegaSin Honestly, I don't want this game to be censored. That's just for freedom of speech reasons but I do have problems with this game. The media is going to eat this up and it's going to make gamers look bad. "OMG GAMERS HAVE GONE TOO FAR!! NEW GAME ABOUT MASS MURDERS!" gaming as a whole is going to get more hate. On a personal level I'm not getting this because it bothers me. In any other game there is a reason to kill someone. And If I'm playing a sandbox game like GTA or saints row I can kill people but that's not what the game is about. Now have I gone on murder sprees? Yeah, I'll run people over. Blow up random cars. but it's really not serious. It just bothers me to be stabbing someone as they beg not to be killed. Not for me.

[@AltimaMantoid]

I like how Hatred has the same pointed tips at the bottom of the letters like Doom did like 20 years ago lol

[@ThePsychicmario64]

***** Almost like they don't give a fuck about it's violence. Like id when they made Doom.

[@AltimaMantoid]

Esai Morales Not necessarily a bad thing though.

[@ThePsychicmario64]

***** IKR? Lol.

[@goobon]

The problem isnt the violence, but its just the fact that the fucking story is LITERALLY about just killing people for no reason. In other games like GTA you dont see people begging for their lives when you point a gun to their heads like they did in the trailer. I dont care, I'm gonna play it anyways, but I'm just clarifying.

[@ChocolateBoyy0]

Um yes GTA people do beg for there lives when you shoot them ..and there are many games thats have a protagonist who wants to kill the innocence for now reason

[@goobon]

Eckoz Slovakia Not like they do in this game though... In GTA its just a small shriek and they run off... in this, its a lot more realistic. I havent played a game where the plot is to civillians for no reason... Hell, even Postal had a story (as basic as it was) toned it down a lot. The difference is Postal is silly, this is dark and serious.

[@ChocolateBoyy0]

So just cuz they yell more emotionally its worse ? Lol its still innocent slaughter dude ..GTA fans really cant hate on this game ..the principles are the same when its murdering the innocent. Which is wiere that GTA guys even hate this game i mean all they do is murder the innocents anyways lol

[@ChocolateBoyy0]

So just cuz it has a story ..makes innocent slaughter different?

[@goobon]

Eckoz Slovakia GTA has a story with purpose, this is just fucking kill people with no reason.

[@sammylane21]

Isn't "HATRED" just a GTA clone??Why are people getting so bothered by this game??

[@fightfannerd2078]

no idiot

[@Gamesta100]

I personally disagree that this is no different to MK, GTA or Manhunt. Mortal Kombat is killing people who would kill you without a seconds thought. You are also killing people who are them self willing to join a tournament where you are encouraged to finish off your opponent in the most gruesome way imaginable. Hatred you are going around killing everyone who are just minding in their own business. GTA gives you a choice to kill innocent people, hatred fores you to kill innocent people and it's the only reason to play the game. GTA on the other hand also allows you to just drive/race cars, fly air vehicles, play darts etc. and the main missions are for the most part not simple killing innocent people. Now Manhunt like Hatred forces you to brutally and sadistically kill people but like MK, the people you kill are not innocent people and would brutally murder you without a seconds thought. Maybe I'm a hypocrite for enjoying MK, GTA and Manhunt but having no interest in this game in the slightest Hatred is one of very few games I would never play due to the violence. In fact the only other game I remember never being interested in a game because of violence is Clocktower 3 on PS2.

[@totalmetaljacket789]

Moral of your comment: Killing is just fine as long as it's considered an objective and you get a fun hat for completing it.

[@Gamesta100]

picassopainter2 In a video game yes. It's a bit like in the real world I hate violence but if I or my family were to be attacked you can bet your arse I will throw my hate of violence to the wind. I would never pick a fight but I would finish one if I had to.

[@totalmetaljacket789]

Gamesta100 Games aren't real life kiddo. There are no innocent bystanders in games, because there are no people in games. There are assortments of pixels, that is all. If you believe games do not cause violence, it would seem there's no excuse to be anti-Hatred.

[@Gamesta100]

picassopainter2 Kiddo? I'm 31 and have been gaming for about 25 of those. I'm not really anti-Hatred, I just have no interest in the game. Doesn't mean I think nobody should play it or they are sick in the head if they want to play it. Entertainment, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder lol.

[@billybarnett9518]

Gamesta100 It's mocking censorship.

[@557deadpool]

Oh fuck me. Here we go again.

[@557deadpool]

Im actually more pissed by the Doom ripoff font for the title of the game

[@Paulwalll]

557deadpool lolololo i just seen that now you say it

[@VegaOpeth]

557deadpool I though I was the only one that noticed!

[@fj12n3]

omg ikr

[@blitzslayer64]

We need more games to push boundaries like this. This is great.

[@FINETUNEDGAMING]

Here's the thing though. It's not pushing *any* boundaries. The only difference between Hatred and say, GTA V, is the context of the game. The goal is killing in Hatred, but in GTA V, all 3 main characters are just as morally corrupt as this guy, except that their goal is to make the "big score". They kill indiscriminately either way. And like AOS said, there's millions of plotless murders going on every day in CoD and Battlefield, or even Destiny for that matter (no I'm not making a joke on the game's story there, lol). Personally the only ground Hatred breaks is in it's simplistic approach of not having an intricate reason to kill. Maybe it's just me but it's really not all that compared to what else I've experienced in gaming "gore".

[@diablerietandino1941]

Great video man, I am glad to see someone who isn't apologetic about the hobby we all love. There are people out here who can separate real life from what occurs in a game. Playing a game like this won't suddenly make me a rampaging murderer, if that were the case, I am sure it would have happened by now in the last 20+ years I've been a gamer. Game companies should be able to create the titles they want so long as people aren't getting hurt over it, or they belittle a tragedy that may have occurred in the real world like you pointed out.

[@llm7676]

Mother fuckin THANK YOU!! I have been saying the same thing since I heard and saw the trailer to Hatred. So thank you for coming out and stating a FACT.

[@OrphansCorpse]

People are offended too easily now days. I bet these same people watch horror films, or thriller films with serial killers...Whats the difference ? They are all fictional. Fuck humans man. 7:11 That is exactly what everyone should do, but as we know, people LOVE to be offended and outraged PS. Love your channel AOS

[@OrphansCorpse]

Nut Sack Thanks

[@breadman8831]

YESSSSSS thank the lord someone who for the first FUCKING time has common sense if the movie,book or game "offends" you just ignore. Thank you and here is where all the butthurt people start to complain that my perspective of this topic is "stupid" but at the end of the day it's just a game and it's MY opinion.

[@drink.juice.]

Guys its a game its not real Its for a select audience You don't have to play it If that's what people wish to play don't judge them for it

[@TheCrimsonIdol987]

Fun Fact: Hatred is the second video game in history to get an AO rating for violence and language alone. What that means to me: GREAT!! Even though it's tame, this game just looks like dumb fun for the sole purpose of being fun. Just like another game that pissed people off, Postal 2. :)

[@undead4500]

TheCrimsonIdol987 what was the first AO rated game?

[@_trashPANDA]

undead4500 I don't think it was ever released, but it was called Thrill Kill for the original Playstation. Theres gameplay on youtube if that interests you.

[@undead4500]

ORANGEPANDA oh interesting..

[@kylehurling68]

undead4500 Manhunt was AO as well.

[@infinitydrago27]

I'm going to buy Hatred just to show people that a game can't make me a fucking mass murderer.

[@minuteworld9492]

edgy.

[@Superintendent_ChaImers]

Im going to buy Hatred because it looks like a good game.... cuz you know..... Thats what gamers do.

[@infinitydrago27]

Nunya Bidness I do like twin stick shooters, but seriously I think we all should buy this game.

[@casmith1998]

infinitydrago27 I'm picking up the game just because I love the Postal franchise. I don't actually leave my home and start unloading on innocent people with an AK-47, just because I did it in a video game... It's a piece of entertainment, nothing more.

[@infinitydrago27]

Gorblats That's what I'm saying, we should buy this game so we can show the media we aren't fucking killers.

[@MrPolyPS3]

Hatred might be the perfect game for those in a bad mood who want to unwind somehow, but it's just not my type of game. However, the main thing that concerns me is the possibility that some of the developers might have neo-nazi connections. Not sure if that's true or not, but I certainly won't be supporting it if it is.

[@WanderingKit]

I guess it might relieve stress for some. When I get overly, overly stressed I play Punch Out on the Wii, usually in nunchuck form because the exercise helps get your mind off things. There's obviously no murder though.

[@katyknouse4472]

Exactly what a game like this is probably meant to be man. I venting tool. Hell maybe some people that would impulsively do something stupid in real life would get some sort of relief in this game until they got bored anyway.

[@slayluka7572]

"Probably mean to be a man?" wait what? Killing people in video games makes you a man? What?

[@Valarius_J]

They aren't Neo-Nazis. That was actually a rumor spread by those who want to see this game burn and do as poorly as possible. The shirt and name upon it mostly used for "evidence" to their "neo-naziness" if that is even a word has been laid to rest, the devs themselves actually responded to it. gamepolitics.com/2014/10/20/hatred-developer-creative-destruction-denies-accusations-some-studio-members-are-neo-nazi#.VEeG2hYsEW4 It's just some troll who started to spread a rumor and people who neither understand polish or know polish history just bought it, spread the rumor some more, and didn't bother to research it for themselves. After all, why would someone lie about "important" issues like a game developer's political beliefs on the internet?

[@Zelousmarineinspace]

It's a Doom attitude to gaming: "We are going to make whatever the hell we want & we don't give a shit what anyone else thinks" So I give Kudos to them.

[@MelvinHowards]

First video I've seen from your channel, and I subscribed without hesitation. Finally someone who speaks my language..

[@varzandeodimnbedimn5194]

I found the game trailer trying too hard to be edgy and dark for me to take it seriously. The voice actor for the main character even sounded like someone trying to pull off a generic sociopath vibe straight out of an 90s horror B-movie. I'm not offended by this game by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not playing it because judging by the actual gameplay in the trailer, it looks dull. Kudos to the developers who know how to play with everyones emotions and get free publicity.

[@Joyless]

That's why I liked it, it was super cheesy.

[@varzandeodimnbedimn5194]

If you ask me, the biggest crime Mr. My Name's Not Important committed was his hair style. I mean, there are certain white people who can pull off Dreads, but he's sure as hell not one of them. He's like Lobo without the charm.

[@Joyless]

Varzan Deodimn Bedimn ahahahaha

[@FINETUNEDGAMING]

I'm not the only one who felt that way. Nice. The main character sounds like he's out of a cheesy ass video gam...oh wait. XD

[@FINETUNEDGAMING]

***** Well, part of the point of the game is that there's no narrative, no backstory, no plot, nothing. Granted, story is only a part of what makes a game into a great game, but in the end here you just have a "shock" game that will eventually lose it's novelty among the hardcore gamers. It's just an attention grabber that most people will be done with in a week (if even that long). The kind of game you play to say you played it. That's the total opposite of what the developers are probably trying to go for, which is ironic because they're marketing it as this hardcore game, when it's only going to end up being as cosmetic as playing FEZ.

[@puhtaradactlj2977]

How is shit like the purge okay but this shit is somehow going overboard? Wtf!?

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Heck we even got 2 of those movies and those are totally cool and okay XD

[@mrpositronia]

I haven't got a problem with this game. However, over in the UK, publications like the Daily Mail will do their utmost to ban all gaming because of this. Education is the key, teach them that a game is not the same as actually doing this kind of stuff in real life.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Thing is in the UK it's actually been proven Video Game Study of Over 11,000 Children Proves Games Don't Make Kids Violent

[@mrpositronia]

Yep. We knew it already, they conveniently ignore it.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

mrpositronia Not only ignore it but claim it isn't enough proof -_-

[@o0meatbawhied0o33]

the U.K will do there utmost? get a life kid.. when has the U.K ever banned a game? australia an germany take the biscuit on game banning

[@mrpositronia]

No, I said the Daily Mail would. It will never happen of course. I've been gaming since 1981, and they always tried and failed. I presume you are older and wiser than me, judging by the 'kid' remark! Haha! :)

[@spyware60]

The reason why it's so controversial is because the news actually scares you when these things really happen. The realistic lone wolf killing scares people out. But it's hypocrite to ban this game if you're okay with gta and others

[@RickyWingrave]

Alpha I love your vids and respect you immensely. I will probably be avoiding this game just because of what you said about it though. I am all for video game violence and what not. Hell I am in college right now working toward actually making video games some day. But if what you say is true about the game, where the main character is pretty much sociopath-psychotic who decides he is just going to go out side of his house and just end all life that he see's because it doesn't fit his visions of what it should be? Yeah. Probably gonna skip this one. I mean there is senseless killing in Grand Theft Auto all the time. But it isn't the main point of the game.(Though GTA V did have a pretty crazy character who loved killing) I don't know. Something tells me I will actually look at this game from a developer perspective. Good vid as always. Extremely informative and well thought out argument as always. But I think I am just gonna pass this one by.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Best thing about what you said is I can completely respect that and enjoy when people have that outlook. Heck even I am not all that interested in the game but feel as though everyone is overlooking the fact that they're supporting censorship that can be way worse than the government or pissed off politicians saying something. To me if it's not for you then cool but don't tell others what they can or cannot enjoy or create. Also big time thank you for your comment

[@RickyWingrave]

Thank you for being a reasonable voice brother. Game the fuck on!

[@xSniper1982]

Love this comment, it pretty much explains my view too. I most likely won't ever play the game. Although I would add that the biggest issue I see with the game is the lack of context for the main characters motivation. The other games all, that I know of, had a reason behind the violence, Mortal Kombat was saving the realm, Manhunt was survival, however in Hatred (Which is an awesome title for it, good choice devs) there doesn't seem to be any. If say, his wife had been murdered (pretty violent option) and he snapped, there'd be at least some motivation to the violence. I think that could be why so many people have lost their shit over it. Personally I loved Manhunt, and I have NO problem with violence in games, I actually applaud the Devs for pushing the boundaries and sayig "To Hell with all this Politically correct bullshit". But for some people, especially in places where things like this have happened in real life, I can understand some of the frustration and reactions.

[@GamingSuccub]

I dont think any video game is offensive (well.. maybe Harvester, thats borderline repulsive yet awesome). Violence was never one to bother me in video games. However, the thing that bothered me is that I didnt see a motive behind it. Im just one that likes to have a story and I saw no motive, no story, nothing that intrigues me. Idk I guess its just me.

[@philpyung4831]

No it isn't just you. That is the way most people feel. But the question of whether this game is "wrong" is just pointless when you can slaughter innocents FOR NO REASON in countless other games like GTA and Elder Scrolls.

[@GamingSuccub]

Yeah I know. You can kill people in many other games, its no different here.

[@LaVeyanistGames]

MiyuChan Well it does have a subtle story. You I'm pretty sure are in a sound state of mind irl, but this game puts you in the mind of someone who isn't. This is letting you see what was going on in the minds of people who have done fucked up things like rampage and see their hatred for life. The way that they don't see life as some beautiful place but a dark, dreary place full of suffering and pain. He didn't do this from some spur of the moment I-played-a-game-now-im-crazy-media-bullshit reason, he is literally mentally psychotic and doesn't view anything with a grain of happiness because he's so deranged. This is exactly how the mind of a cold blooded killer should be portrayed and can possibly help the argument that mental illness and being not right in the head causes people to be really sadistic.

[@rtyrtyrty123123123]

And that's the great thing about it. For once there's no thin vale, no justification, no spoon fed reason. This time players have to accept they're the full on no grey area bad guy and some people just are incapable of doing that. The line of reasoning to justify slaughter in GTA but not in Hatred is childish to begin with but people that honestly need a reason to slaughter in a videogame really need to learn to detach themselves from reality while playing.

[@DANTVSVERGIL]

There might be a story but as far as we know there isn't one...but I hope there is.

[@DarthKato]

The difference between Hatred and all the combat games is this. In games like Call of Duty, Mortal Kombat, and all the others, is that two equally matched opponents are facing off against each other. They know what they are getting into, and they have been training a long time to do what they do. Kill. I'[m saying that killing is right, but in that case, its being done by people put themselves in that situation( or at least have been trained to be able to cope with that situation). But in Hatred, the people you are killing stand no chance( Besides maybe the cops). They are simply going about their day, and then some sociopath comes up and kills them. No reason other than he hated them. So, form the start there is no point in this game, even from just a gameplay perspective. Hell, at least in games like GTA, you are fighting other gangs. Once again, people that have put themselves in a situation that may result in them being killed. I really just see this games as just bad taste, with little to no point. I would rather be shooting my way through a gang of mobsters than a group of ordinary people. Because at least those mobsters will actually pose some sort of a challenge. And don't start the crap with its just a game. Being "Just a game" doesn't stop it from still being in bad taste and just wrong. You all do realize that this kind of shit is only going to further blacken the image of video game? Right? Its only going to give anti-video game nuts more ammunition, by showing everyone this "Murder Sim" to everyone, and saying: 'See, we were right! Video Games are just machines to teach our young. PLEASE! WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?"

[@TheXBladeist]

DarthKato​ *Applauds* You couldn't be more correct.

[@DarthKato]

TheXBladeist Thank you.

[@TheXBladeist]

DarthKato Welcome man. On a lighter not I just started watching sly. He's killing me.

[@DarthKato]

TheXBladeist Yeah, he's really funny sometimes. His Attack on Titan series is gold.

[@TheXBladeist]

DarthKato IKR?!

[@ubermorpth2208]

You know what's ironic? it was banned from getting on steam from greenlight by valve, and yet they have games like postal and manhunt which are worse then this.

[@TimetravelerKi]

Like I said on Boogie's video about this. He said, that it's socially inresponsible. But it's quite the opposite. Games have proven to be a good way to blow off steam. Have a bad day at work? Go home, play some GTA, get your anger level down. Just let it all out in a way that harms nobody. Perfect, right?

[@UltraDTA]

So will a game allowing someone to rape women and children allow them to "blow off steam". Some things are just fucked up.

[@TimetravelerKi]

UltraDTA That's a good point. The question is, if perversions and aggressions are comparable. I don't know about that, I'm not an expert on anything. But that blowing off steam in a shooter or a fighting game works, that's something you can test out by yourself and say if it works for you. It certainly does for me.

[@UltraDTA]

Violence in context is one thing, but people who don't acknowledge this as a slippery slope are kidding themselves. It may take another 20 years before people realize that some things just ought not be created.

[@UltraDTA]

Seriously, do you want to live in a society where a majority of people are fans of a serbian film?

[@TimetravelerKi]

UltraDTA Violence in video games is still comical, though. It's just no realistic. If you go with a Serbian Film (not that I enjoy that film), it's still fiction, it's a difference to reality. For example, when I watch a sport game and someone falls, I will feel his pain. Or when I watch the news (and really, reality is the worst thing) I feel for people. Fiction isn't reality.

[@Master-Mo]

You are wrong and this game based on its premise is disgusting!!! The reason why you are killing is imo deciding wether it's ok or not. Modern Warfare 2: Killing bad guys to safe others = cool Modern Warfare 2: Being put into the shoes of bad guys and killing innocent people on an airport = nooooot cool (and it still isn't) So when you are in a tournament and fight to the death I think it is legidimate to kill your opponent. There is nothing wrong with that. Or when you have people assaulting you who want to take your life. But killing innocent people because you do not like your own situation and therefor want to die and take so many people with you is twisted and wrong and nobody should have something like this to play. If you need something like hatred to get over a bad situation I would recommend therapie because something is wrong with you!

[@LotarWc2]

No shit, this game develop by Satan himself. And games like Postal and Saints Raw and GTA, and Wathc_dogs, and COD, and AssCred, and DayZ, and even Mario himself.

[@thethrashyone]

"If you need something like hatred to get over a bad situation I would recommend therapie because something is wrong with you!" Way to dumb down the complex issue of human psychology. Fuck, why don't we ALL just do away with this "logic" bullshit and hop on the moronic media bandwagon that says "violent gamez make da peeple do violent theengz durr hurr"? Makes just about as much sense as what you're saying.

[@Master-Mo]

TheThrashyOne There is a difference when we talk about games bringing up the issue of violence or games that give you allegedly a opportunity to deal with it. when you have such an issue I think it is better to talk with someone about it rather then playing a game where you run over innocent people or where you slaughter them! Just like you I don`t believe that games would be the source of twisted thinking but by all means I wouldn`t say it is a good thing to deal with it via games, especially not this one, and that was kinda what Alpha suggested which is all kinda wrong!

[@yeahhbuddy3932]

im watching Rambo right now , I guess im a bad person for wanting Rambo to kill people ( all of which is just acting and nobody did die )

[@Master-Mo]

yeahh buddy Dude, what are you talking about. Please do not response when you don`t even refer to my posts!

[@dr.mantistobboggan4065]

I was not offended by the trailer. I think that this game is trying to hard to be "cool and edgy" while, IMO, is just stupid.

[@rascalpod833]

***** either way it looks like they were able to get people talking about it.

[@bakermetal]

"Hatred is too violent!" Oh, yeah, because god forbid a game has balls for once.

[@nicecutie]

exactly

[@PratosKS]

I'm going to buy hatred just to spite all the butthurt people. I hope it sells well.

[@flyingspaghetti]

You have the same reason to buy it as the other million potential buyers for this game out there. Hatred for HATRED is the best marketing campaign this developer could ever ask. It's practically free and it draws more people every day.

[@TomsSauce]

I saw it and my reaction was "meh" it's just another game that doesn't catch my interest I think people are overreacting

[@ragnarokgr]

I can only agree with you on the part that it is just a game and no one in their right mind is going to do whatever he sees on a game in real life, but i disagree with everything else you talked about. First of all i am not with the guys that are trying to ban it or are screaming "burn them", i just disagree with your logic. You are comparing games like MK,TCM and battlefield. Well in MK you are killing willing opponents so it doesn't matter the way they died and in TCM it is just pixels you can't see anything gruesome or hear screams etc. Same goes for battlefield you are killing soldiers. In hatred though you are killing civilians who are begging for their lives and you go on killing them like cattle. You see any similarities in those games? Have you forgotten what happened with the airport terrorist attack in modern warfare 2 and the controversy behind it? Don't try to lamp every single game that has death and violence in it on the same page as a game like hatred. Finally when you say that you can just avoid the game etc, where can we draw the line? shall we leave the industry do whatever it wants? So if they released a game with child pornography that would be ok too then? By your standards it's just code so nobody cares. I don't know if all the hate towards the game is justified but atleast you have to acknowledge that it isn't just another run of the mill game like you are making it to be. What's next? a game where you just torture people in the most graphic way possible? By the way watching a vile act and actually doing it is different so watching innocent people die in movies isn't the same when you actually get to be the one to kill them.

[@JurassicParkIsLife]

I agree as well.

[@sandorgyori9278]

Agree .

[@thethrashyone]

"where can we draw the line? shall we leave the industry do whatever it wants?" If you value the uninhibited freedom of expression, yes. And keep in mind that the industry is changing. Up until recently, game developers had no choice but to bend over backwards for special interest groups and censor shit that "crossed the line", for fear of retailers refusing to put their products on the shelves. Now that people can develop games to distribute digitally, those restrictions are slowly starting to thin out, at least on the PC gaming end of things. That said, Alpha's logic of "if you don't like it, don't play it" is perfectly valid. Bottom line, the "right not to be offended by anything, ever" is one that doesn't exist, never has, never will, and quite frankly, never should. Society needs to learn to put on its big boy pants and let people play the shit they want to play. There is jack shit to be gained from saying "No, games like this shouldn't be made because it'll plant ideas in sick people's heads." Sorry, but anyone who actually thinks that way is a fucking moron who thinks they have human psychology - by far one of THE most complex things we could ever hope to understand - all figured out.

[@VictorKaiser]

Totally agree. I posted in another "thread" on this page but yeah, you basically read my mind. And let's not forget about the media covering this game. We already got BOTH republicans and democrats itching to raise hell about video games, and this game is not going to help matters at all.

[@airgear87]

The child porn thing is an invalid argument seeing as it's illegal, so nice slippery slope fallacy.

[@MrFredstt]

I hate that people are trying to censor every single thing now days.

[@CStove]

People are too sensitive. There are a lot worse things out there.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Sensitive and overlooking facts to boot

[@alfredopichardo9892]

We need ManHunt 3

[@TheMoonRulesNo1]

I don't diagree with the main point of your argument, which is, I believe, this is a videogame. However, your supporting arguments, and parallels aren't very on point. Mortal Kombat is a game about a fighting tournament in which all parties involved are willing participants. CoD, Battlefield, and Counterstrike are military styled shooters involving, once again, willing participants. The parallel between games like GTA could be made, but that falls into the realm of players choice. Manhunt was gratuitously violent, but that doesn't really work, since the player is more or less forced into participation. I'm all about pushing the envelope, and challanging peoples morality. I think it's good, for the most part. The thing you have to keep in mind is that there are people out there, many of whom are directly, and intimately affected by real life experiences that may be similar to thosedepicted in the game who may find it tasteless, and insensitive. It's easy to say simply don't buy the game if you don't like it, but then, we've never had to endure the emotional impact of having a school, or community, or family brutally shot, or stabbed to death. This is going to be controversial in the same way that Carmageddon was when it first came out, but it's still going to be available for purchase, so getting up in arms, so to speak, and minimizing the impact it may have on the survivors, and victims of these tragedies only makes the side of the developers, and fans seem disconnected, and needlessly cruel to people who havealready been through quite enough. When it comes to the "other side" of the argument, there's unlikely going to be a rational point of view from extremely emotional events. Fuck the social justice warriors, though. They're only involved to get clicks, and views, and their arguments typically come from under researched, cherry picked sources.

[@nobody2021]

you're not forced into participation in manhunt. sure, the character in the game is but nobody is forcing the player to commit virtual murders. and i see people saying that GTA is different because killing people is optional in the game. do these fucking retards realize that playing the game at all is optional? you can opt out of killing innocent people in hatred by simply not playing the game.

[@chris7285]

You know my mom is the kindest most loving person out there.....a little too nice in my opinion and yet she watches horror movies with me like Saw, Hannibal Rising, The Hills Have Eyes, etc.....guess what?! She hasn’t changed one bit!

[@ExtremeGamer9951]

Have people forgotten postal and postal 2?

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Have they forgotten about every Mature rated game ever released? 0_0

[@blade00362]

This game looks a lot like Postal... Just without the Postal Dude.. eh

[@ExtremeGamer9951]

AlphaOmegaSin That too. But postal because this is essentially Postal with better graphics, an actual story, and no cat silencers or pissing.

[@freaskydoodle999]

is jack Thompson still alive? he must be flipping shit now LOL

[@blade00362]

ExtremeGamer9951 Don't get Postal games mixed up

[@SteveDonev]

But alpha, you mean to tell me i cant be angry, spiteful, and want everything i don't like made illegal just because it doesn't suit my particular tastes and or imaginary moral compass? What kind of communist, anti-christian message are you trying to send!!! (for those of you that don't get it, this is sarcasm. you can put the pitchforks and torches down)

[@ShaDHP23]

I agree with RabbidLuigi, this game is like GTA without the charm. Apart from that, this game doesn't speak that much to me, neither for nor against it.

[@blockyorbits2376]

If you don't think this game should be released, you are denying that the "freedom of speech" ammendment exists.

[@Ravenbones]

Look at all these hyprocrites disgusted with the game, yet they go play GTA V and love trevor and go on mass killings to waste money and ammo for fun. #Hypocrites4DaWin

[@michaelfowler3514]

I don't like this game I hate trevor and don't go on mass killings in gta v

[@Ravenbones]

Michael Fowler That's what they all say #liar

[@DONPEDRO999]

@@michaelfowler3514 what do u do on gta then? Nothing?

[@Cr4v1nDys]

I see almost every gaming youtuber defending this game and saying this game is harmless and it's just a game and etc. Is there no limitations for stepping too far in this damned world? Are moral values not important anymore and is anything allowed to be done because "it is just a video game"? I can't stand this opinion anymore. This is neither the culture I believe in nor do I want to be part of it anymore. It is shocking that even youtubers who are representing the gaming culture in a certain way make this game appear harmless and saying it is okay for everyone to play it... I really start to dislike the culture I belonged to.

[@Cr4v1nDys]

MrTurok999 idiot...

[@MrTurok999]

crying_devil Yes,yes you are.

[@gurriato]

Where were you when Carmageddon came out? lol

[@MrTurok999]

sacrisesma Me or that idiot?

[@gurriato]

MrTurok999 Him. Starting to dislike gaming now for something that's been around since forever is just plain old ignorance. It's like someone who never went to seedy videoclubs in the 90s and only watches mainstream torture porn saying that gore movies in 2014 have "finally gone too far".

[@chrisg801]

Your argument is fucked, you're comparing this to Mortal Kombat, Battlefield and multiplayer games, In these games you have an objective to PROTECT YOURSELF from an opposing team or force. THE QUESTION AT HAND IS NOT THE VIOLENCE BUT THE MESSAGE. BTW your argument would of had some merit if you listed God of War as a game that literally destroys the world and kills millions of innocent people for very selfish reasons. A game that was praised by many and played by most. Btw I love your videos

[@LuminescentShine]

message or not the same shit we do in games

[@LuminescentShine]

Jack Nack people are stupid

[@MichaelRaphaelDHSithFuhrer1316]

Haku Yuki people are rather retarded

[@LuminescentShine]

Michael Raphael they are complete morons

[@MichaelRaphaelDHSithFuhrer1316]

Haku Yuki Maybe, you easily didn't recognize my words from the first time, when I simply stated that people are RATHER retarded, and i mean unrecoverable full of it. Do, NOT, anymore twist and turn the words I spoke to be about the humanity is some kind of a lesser extent to anything like retardation, you unforgiveable narcissist. 

[@jllovit]

In-game characters have feelings and souls, too. Save them!

[@blancfan1]

So the game is just about killing for no reason? Yeah, I agree they gone too far. At least in other violent games there is a point and story. whether you're a hit man assassinating some one or WW2 soldier, there is a reason. I'll already pass because I'm not a fan of violence and gore just for the sake of violence and gore, I see this like the many horror movies and slashers reveiwed by Phelous, full of blood, gore, and ultimatley pointless.

[@sandbakk77]

***** What about the Postal-games? Or Carmageddon?

[@ThaOneDon]

Maybe theres a point and none you havent even seen the game all of this is SPECULATION

[@blancfan1]

S3r1ous True. Never even heard of this game till now. If I'm wrong oh well. Happens a lot.

[@Jaschu-xs9mb]

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[@blancfan1]

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[@MK0437]

The problem in the game is not just the violence itself. Stop being so stupid people we all know that context matters. Context is everything in life. Most of you have failed to accomplish something in life or gotten in trouble simply because of context. In Mortal Kombat it is an epic fighting game with a backstory where you're trying to overthrow a tyrant in Shao Khan or Shang Tsung or whatever. In GTA (which isn't great) the main goal isn't murdering people but your trying to accomplish some kind of goal like improving your standing in life (albeit illegally). Its also really satirical. But this game is about blatantly going out and killing INNOCENT PEOPLE for the sake of just KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. There is nothing else to the game. That is PSYCHOPATHIC. Just who is that supposed to appeal to?

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

And all those games where you kill zombies for the sake of killing zombies is ok because they are zombies, right? But once you change the name from "zombies" to "humans" it is so much worse now? It's like the bullshit that happened with Medal of Honor. So many people flipped out because in multiplayer, one side was called "Taliban" and the other was "Marines", and you could "play as the Taliban and kill American soldiers". But when they changed the name from "Taliban" to "Op-For" (at least I think that is what they changed it to), everything was perfectly ok. It is just plain hypocritical. Freedom of speech is just that - freedom. It isn't "freedom of speech of things that I approve of". If you don't like the idea, don't play it, it is that simple. I don't like sitting around watching people get tortured, so I don't watch the Saw or Hostel movies. If some people enjoy that, power to them. Do I find it a little odd? Sure, but it is just a movie.

[@MK0437]

IconoclastXVII Yes being a zombie makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The living dead who do nothing but kill people no shit you're gonna kill them. You're not killing them for the sake of killing them your killing the zombies because they're killing people what kind of comparison is that? If Zombies weren't killing people they wouldn't be making more zombies. Context freaking matters 100%. And you need to actually read the constitution because your usage of it is the same as a skinheads. It's not just pure freedom of speech you are free to speak your mind until it encroaches on the rights of others. So you can't just say whatever you want. I'm not saying ban the game forever but I'm saying the adult only rating and severely restricting it makes absolute sense.

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

So, just because there are zombie, automatically they do nothing but kill? In Dead Rising, where all those zombies are just sitting around in the mall, not hurting anyone, how are they "killing people"? Or, better example, Far Cry 4 where you go to this region and start killing people for no reason. Nobody is making you kill them, and you can beat the game without ever touching a gun. And since you are basically calling me a skinhead, please give me ONE example on how me SAYING anything can violate the rights of ANYONE.

[@MK0437]

IconoclastXVII Wow reading comprehension man. I in no way called you a skinhead I'm saying you used the first amendment argument in the same way you often hear people uneducated about what the first amendment actually says do (such as skinheads which I'm sure you are not.) Also in the story of dead rising yes the zombies are trying to kill you. You see that zombie that has normal clothes on and is "walking around the mall" how did they become a zombie exactly? Oh that's right they were turned into a zombie by zombies! That is a horrible example, infact it's probably the worst one you could use as a counterargument to mine. It's about the story of the game. Like I said context is everything in life. And if you stand in the middle of a pack of zombies in dead rising they will kill you. And you are also rescuing people from Zombies in dead rising. You are trying to survive, it's kill or be killed. Zombies are a terrible example anyways because they're dead in the first place, they aren't even people so normal laws don't even apply to them.

[@MK0437]

IconoclastXVII If you're having trouble understanding the difference between killing innocent people and surviving against a zombie apocalypse you need a lot more help than I could provide a comment. It's kinda scary knowing people actually think like this, Goodbye.

[@richbaker8211]

I guess everyone forgot about the game State of Emergency, in which your sole purpose is to cause chaos, riots and kill massive crowds of people. Honestly, the thing that pisses me off is the total hypocrisy of people. This was a great video and presented everything I have been thinking about this topic, kudos to you my friend!

[@dramos1]

for some reason video games don't seem to be afford the same protection under the first admendment as other art forms and other media. and that is a hypocrisy.