Hasan Goes Off On Viewers After Ethan Debate

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[@devol3829]

If you ever feel stupid, remember that there are people out there taking Hasan seriously.

[@Horizon0505iije]

My girlfriend 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@benitocamela174]

@@Horizon0505iije your standards are in the sewers

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Wow, how intellectually honest.

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

And some of them are ex dggers, imagine being this much of an r word, thanks God they're gone.

[@Bayyzed]

I'm not stupid tho

[@sarinat3101]

The mental landscape of someone who "used to watch a lot of Destiny" but now enjoys a heaping helping of Hasan must be a horrifying place.

[@LexLoofah]

Fr the director who made hereditary and midsommar should make their next movie about this.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

What the fuck is the point of watching Destiny? What does one hope to gain from his streams?

[@orangutanenthusiast5631]

Npcs are real and it’s scary

[@psychegoddessoflight9358]

I kinda hate to say this, because the term has been so grossly overused but...when a person moves from a relatively moderate/'middle path'/integrated perspective to a more extreme one, it's a trauma response. Typically a way for the shaken ego to attempt recalibration, to cope with newly formed fears or insecurities, to feel more safe & secure (most of this occurs out of conscious awareness).

[@orangutanenthusiast5631]

@@psychegoddessoflight9358 thank you for your insight psychicgoddessoflight 🙏🙏

[@JoelDZ]

"It's actually good that I looked like an idiot and made Ethan look good because then reactionaries might become center left" is the biggest cope I've heard in my entire life. Wouldn't it be better for Hasan to look smart and competent so he can pull reactionaries to the far left??

[@ll2323]

I wouldn’t be surprised that someone who have that thought. The lack of common sense today is astounding.

[@A_3000]

​@@ll2323Hasan fans are the kings of mental gymnastics cope, I don't understand how these people go day by day

[@MidWitPride]

@@A_3000 They are teenagers. That's how. Being stubborn about your dumb edgy beliefs is the norm at that age. Vast majority of them will mellow out of it and become liberals/social democrats or whatever.

[@lljonhll]

Being stubborn about your ideas is a general rule to all ages tbh

[@NotShaikan]

I'd say that actually makes sense, Hasan will never convince people to support his ideas, but making Ethan's social democracy look reasonable is cool as well. THAT BEING SAID: we all know it's cope and Hasan is malding. Gracefully taking a hit to elevate his companion is not something he would ever do.

[@freakzoid788]

Socialist in capitalism: millionare and a huge platform to speak Capitalist on socialism: RE-EDUCATION AND THE WALL FOR YOU

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Nobody except destiny said that

[@samurai15401]

​​@@NationalistsRuinAmericalol. One of the fundamental ideas of comunism is massacre bro. There is no shot in hell a communist regime can exist in a democratic system. That is an oxymoron in itself. Communism *imposes* idea of shared community resources and ownership. In a world like that any Private or capitalist owner would either be murked or sent to "re-education programs".💀

[@Yrgzip0]

⁠@@NationalistsRuinAmericaHasan said that he would “reeducate” people who believe in capitalism. I’m not very well versed in history, but how have previous socialist “reeducation programs” treated people in the past😂. You can say what you want, but forced reeducation has never been ethical

[@Dan16673]

​@@NationalistsRuinAmericahasan def said that

[@TR13400]

​@@NationalistsRuinAmericaWait what? I heard Hasan say that with my own ears. It's on video? Are Hasan fans reaching Tate levels of cope?

[@johnnyflannigan136]

Hassan... The spoiled rich kid millionare with millionare L.A. lifestyle larping as a socialist lmao 😂

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Steven Bonell the second, the music school dropout failson whose highest education is reading CNN headlines and studies made by actual intellectuals, larping as a professional debater who is regularly denying systematic racism in America.

[@ganter5447]

Standard socialist.

[@the1stmetalhead]

that includes almost all of the socialists.

[@OneRadicalDreamer]

Apart from the wealth and fame, he hasn't had enough, he wants the power, but like most commies he can only take it through lies, deception and betrayal.

[@savagetr1539]

It’s funny, at first I though these dudes were saying they were socialists ironically since stuff like free healthcare is called socialism by Fox News and stuff lol.

[@redaderoua8816]

I honestly started to see hasan in a different light after his "re-education" response to ethan when he was asked about a capitalist political movement in a socialist country

[@Rbb0828]

What did you think he thought lol

[@ekaterinastaneva9922]

Why? He has been expressing tankie and violent socialist takes consistently, for both historical events and future solutions

[@maxis2778]

Dude that's when I knew socialism and communism was terrible

[@duckpotat9818]

What about it? They can stand in elections but if the constitution limits what they can do then it doesn't matter. That's how it works in capitalist countries.

[@slm0nw174]

he was holding back his real beliefs with that answer

[@Leeches-]

Hasan is the ultimate example of how you can never escape "fat guy mindset", which is to say, you can never become confident in yourself, let silence hang in the air, let your own words stand by themselves - you always need to defend yourself from literally everything and anything, all of the time, practically oozing insecurity but masking it as "roasting" people. Dude lost weight. He is no longer fat. He worked out for a bit and had a decent body. Most people remember him as a fit guy. He found the infinite money glitch in streaming, lives in a multi-million $ hollywood hills mansion, drives a brand new Porsche... and despite all that, a 16 year old on the other side of the world can type 'You are bad at debating you look like a silly billy' and he will go into a anywhere from 1 hour to 1 week long cope-rant. Dude needs therapy. Fat hasan is piloting this guy's body and routinely makes him look like an idiot every 2-3 months. Dude is so insecure he couldn't even agree to not call people racial slurs on stream. Had to be banned twice for it. This is needless. He has no reason to be insecure, yet he oozes it, as previously said. He needs help, mentally.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Daaamn that's a lot of analysis for someone without a background in psychology and without ever meeting your subject in person.

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

Tbf we put this people under too much scrutiny because we know our pocket king can take all of that and then some. While it's true that the majority of "online influencers" are mentally ill kids that disappear after one push back, it's not that we're wired to deal with so much criticism and the criticism online looks amplified, even if it's two or three individuals it looks like a crowd from your pov. With all that being said, you're right, Hasan should know better than letting "fat Hasan" take the lead

[@MyMrdoodoo]

this is a heavy reach bro kinda cringe

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

@@wilsonsanabia4259 you can't convince me that Steven doesn't have some form of Asperger's

[@justamango942]

@@NationalistsRuinAmerica lol "ass burger"

[@timelapsega]

The phrase "debate pervert" shouldn't exist, it's like they're trying to set it up to be something taboo.

[@Ram-mu7kl]

It's 100% what hasan wants, to be able to dismiss anyone asking tough questions as a "weirdo pervert creep degenerate debater", someone who shouldn't be given the time of day. Funny enough, it's exactly what right wingers are doing by mixing anything LGBT with "groomers"

[@5dollarshake263]

All they need to solidify that is to lengthen the label to "rightwing debate pervert" so even if you are a Lefty that likes debate you will be called a Right-winger.

[@LexLoofah]

The ultimate taboo, doing anything that even comes close to damaging Hasans paper thin Ego.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

It's perverted because debating is literally y'all's fetish

[@bardol359]

It makes sense for some people who just look for gotchas and to look good in front of an audience, but that doesn't even apply to destiny

[@bigaaron]

"Thinking is fucking boring" mask off Hasan

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

Hasan has such a strange cadence when he was speaks. Notice he's not doing "uuuuuh uuuuuh I don't knowww" when he's alone. It's all stream of conscience until he gets 1 millimeter of pushback then he's a deer in headlights.

[@ataridc]

everything he says sounds like it needs a "Loading..." over his head at all times

[@TurtleChad1]

Sounds like he lives rent free in your head

[@illuminahde]

Cenk's Nephew reminds me of the kids who try to do their book report on the fly. They talk a lot without saying sht.

[@LexLoofah]

Hey it's not easy! just like conversations in fallout, he has to really think about what insufferable, brain dead dialogue option to select next.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

​@illuminahde yeah they say a lot and hope some of it is accurate so they can lean on that

[@Robby_C]

5:16 - the difference is the Communist policies directly cause those famines and that lose of life.... where as Capitalism doesn't cause famines, it just doesn't have a solution to hunger ESPECIALLY globally..... but it also doesn't claim to be a solution to hunger in and of itself, where-as Communism and Socialism DO claim to be the solution to those problem, when in practice they inevitably end up causing more problems. And they specifically want it to be a global system. Somebody can say that "capitalism causes inequality" ... but "inequality" in and of itself isn't inherently a bad thing.... If I have 7 apples and somebody else has 10 apples, we aren't equal, but neither of us are lacking in apples.... It's astonishing how basic logic goes out the window with these Leftist, but all of this theoretical imaginary shit makes perfect sense to them.

[@mattoniomaximus9765]

Hasan : "Im happy that people are agreeing with Ethan.....but heres why your an idiot". Thanks Hasan

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

It's a strategy to move the overton window. Make it seem like Ethen is the default position but that his is acceptable while anything to the right of Ethen isn’t. That's why they either ridicule or avoid anything to the right as a point of principle and not actually let tge arguments be said

[@Aizex1]

He's so closeminded. He's the embodiment of leftists that push people away, calling liberals, socdems, and neo's 'right wing'. It's so brain damaged.

[@dmvbawse4265]

Remember Hasan saying he was the best debater but chooses to not debate because of the toxic community. Yet he’s getting bodied by Christian walker in a 2v1 with the chapo trap house guy and now again with dan.

[@Dirty_bubs]

I underestimated the ability of an entire group of people to mass gaslight themselves so hard

[@SaltySpark]

Did you miss the last 4 years? Lol

[@JoeyDubsJR]

Hasan mind control literally has his fans mouthing his catch phrases to feel like they are intelligent regurgitating said catch phrase. Very unique special grade intelligence, 10/10 cursed spirit fandom.

[@yellowtitan6040]

it is so cringe, I'd never heard "debate pervert" in my life and then several hasan subreddit posts are saying it a day later. End me. When hasan fans use the "obsessed" deflection on Destiny, we should realize they are projecting their own obsession

[@Aryzo]

THIS. Dudes a Narcissist playing everyone. You just have to read between the lines and listen to the words he's saying to get a grasp of what he really thinks. Right now he's trying to leech off Ethan Klein. he's watering at his mouth just thinking about how much money he can make off of him before making his socialist little online army cannibalize him

[@mhe0714]

Obamna

[@Nergal665]

Hasan would be a cult leader if he wasn’t a streamer. He would prey on insecure lonely people and isolate them from anyone who may disagree with his beliefs

[@skurkgbg2079]

Its rich kids with lack of confidence/daddy issues that hate themselves. Very easy people to pray on.

[@bardol359]

Genuine question, has hasan "owned" anybody in a debate, ever? My man can loose to people who have no idea about a topic just because his opinions are so insane

[@dumbbuckets2668]

He doesn't have opinions he only has monikers.

[@TR13400]

Ikr people are praising Ethan like he took down some debate monster. All you have to do is not be an insane idiot and you can pretty much beat Hasan in debate.

[@joninosaka]

Andrew Tate

[@thereccher8746]

He destroyed Andrew Tate.

[@rohanjarande]

​@@thereccher8746only because Andrew Tate is an even bigger idiot, but yeah.

[@HedonisticPickle]

Its the HALO EFFECT. Because Hasan is pretty, people ascribe to him good opinions, wisdom and being a good person. Its sadly a real thing.

[@UnseenOct]

I watced hasan long before I knew who Destiny was, and I always found his tirades about "debate perverts" strange and bitter-sounding. It always came off as being afraid your ideas wouldnt hold up to logical scrutiny. I think very rarely there are times debate tactics alone win a debate

[@hellsjamfleas]

I always thought it sounded like some cowardice, from all of these debate haters. Maybe it's because I was told it was important for truth at school. But I think I also just have a little bit of questioning critical thinking. What Destiny and Ethan were doing was the same principle. The mind is so tangled to think what Ethan did was different because he uses humour.😅

[@Yrgzip0]

Hasans idea of a debate pervert is anyone who wants to challenge his ideas with an IQ above 70.

[@snapple4pple]

Tbf there are rarely any good faith debates and most are about optics

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

​@@snapple4ppleHassan described what he does with Ethen is 100% about optics. Only difference is with a debate you try to maneuver your optics while someone else is doing the same but opposite (for the sake of argument I 100% accepted your premise)

[@Yuvraj.]

@@snapple4pplethis is not true in the real world

[@noturnleftunstoned72]

Hasan hasn't debated anyone of significance in years (ever?) He's much too afraid to shatter is id or ego. His wounded super ego wouldn't let him put "it" on the line against a smart interlocutor, yet he doesn't realize that is the purest way to grow and learn. Always surround yourself with smarter people. They can say all they want against Steven but he knows this and that's why he has so much data to go to, he puts himself out there with anyone. Simp I ? Perhaps. But you must appreciate the huss.

[@Bauson]

Bro we get it you just read Freud for the first time

[@kc_h7h]

This is why he has such a huge audience. They relate to him. Having such strong beliefs but not wanting it to be challenged

[@noturnleftunstoned72]

Great input @Bauson. NEVER SAW THAT COMING. Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until they speak. Is that too Alan Watts for you?

[@declancampbell1277]

@@noturnleftunstoned72 the point of a large vocabulary is to use the most accurate words for a given situation. An interlocuter is just someone who takes part in discussion or dialogue, and doesnt at all refer to debating. Nor would surrounding yourself with people who can "talk well" make you smarter. Talking with smart people makes you smarter as you said the very next sentence. I agree with your point 100%, but youre just using vocabulary as a way to look smart, which ironically makes you look stupid.

[@dylanherron3963]

Hasan has literally said for 3 years that he despises debates, and the modern debate format. It's more about conversation dominance than it is adhering to data or studies. It's about having physical control over a discussion. That uh, Andrew Tate debate went prettttttty well? Was his most viral video in years?

[@Delbzy]

debate perverts LMAO hasan is so lost in the sauce

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Maybe look in a mirror

[@Gizzardx0]

@@NationalistsRuinAmerica you ok little kid?

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

​@@NationalistsRuinAmericasoy dripping hasan fan.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

@@edgarallanpwned6666 🙂 "soy"

[@asdfzzz]

It's so funny how even years later Hasan is so mentally scarred by his debates with Destiny that it's a large part of his online persona.

[@angelg8445]

yep, because Destiny and his community are debate perverts that only care about optics and clout and then HAVE to debate the 'ethics of child pr0n'....SURE DUDE

[@SuperSarutobisensei]

"I have the best ideas, trust me bro. They just happen to shrivel and combust when scrutinised or challenged by other ideas."

[@anthonyharrell4547]

Those curtains in the hotel room are horrifying 😳

[@chrisgk7494]

What do people who watch Hasan think re education looks like? I am legit curious

[@tpolutts3309]

They seem to honestly believe that everyone will be so happy under socialism that with just a little reading they will become happy little tankies.

[@La0bouchere]

They probably don't think about it at all. The One True Way mindset is generally about confirming that it's good, so no thinking is actually allocated to solving real problems.

[@rohanjarande]

​@@La0bouchere Well said!

[@Joshboyes1]

Working in camps until they die

[@djbillybool8173]

“thinking is boring, instead watch me stuff my face while i read headlines and scream at cnn videos” lmao

[@TurtleChad1]

Wait, do people actually look to Hasan for serious or profound political insight? It's gotta be like exclusively high school terminally-online gamers, right?

[@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301]

I was thinking more middle schoolers like Andrew Tate age group.

[@_alreph]

PepeLaugh he doesn’t know

[@campbell682]

I put Hassan on for my niece after cocomelon sometimes

[@irti_pk]

It's like the people on the other side of the political aisle who think Jordan peterson is an intellectual

[@Robisquick]

The Andrew tate HS fans are boys who have had bad luck with women, the fans of Hasan are ppl who have had bad luck with masculine figures. I’m half-joking, but I’d love to talk to Hasan fans who genuinely take inspiration from Hasans T-ball level socialist expertise

[@luckyclick100mviews7]

Ethan made Hasan admit that capitalism functions & made him say that he wants socialism with capitalist characteristics(for profit) which contradicts his anti capitalism views.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Ok great, in your eyes that's an "epic own", in a normal person's eyes that is a normal conversation with a productive outcome. We still seem to be living in a world that is fucked under capitalism. Weird how capitalism works and there are still homeless veterans killing themselves, your zip code still determines the kind of school you go to, the global average temperature is still rising nonstop. Really weird how we grant capitalism all these flaws but when we imagine socialism it has to be perfect. Looking forward to the next 2008.

[@vulcanmemes9770]

​@@NationalistsRuinAmericayou have 122 comments, touch grass lmao

[@samurai15401]

​@@NationalistsRuinAmerica if you're to blame every demerit on Capitalism then credit every merit to capitalism as well. The fact you and I can even write a comment is becoz of capitalism. The competiting cheap prices and variety in products is due to capitalism as well. The modern evolution of technologies is due to capitalism as well. And finally the billions of employment is due to capitalism since 97% of the countries world wide do not follow a communist workplace but a capitalistic one.

[@infinityvalor8101]

This guy is on a rampage with how many comments he has on this video, bro needs to touch grass frfr

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

@@vulcanmemes9770 Since when does my account exist?

[@joediditde]

It's funny how (and also Destinys) perspective on Hasan/Ethan debate is that is Ethan owned Hasan and Dan in almost a 1v2 debate. He really bodied them asking sometimes very simple questions. And he often got Hasan to say that he doesnt want to engage in that specific topic right now.

[@AcidicSprayer]

Most leftist act like that including Destiny.

[@ataridc]

It was debates like these that turned me on socialism. I never, ever claimed to be a socialist(at most a socdem) but in the 2018-2019 days I was socialist-curious and open to their ideas, but seeing too many debates like this where they fall apart over simple questions and seeing how impossible and unrealistic it all is ultimately made me reexamine how I look at and engage with capitalism.

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

@@AcidicSprayerAct like what? This comment makes no sense.

[@cheatcodes1407]

@@ataridc how is socialism impossible if all developed nations have various amounts of socialism. Including america who has socialism for the rich & corporations with taxes & bailouts. Humans literally evolved by means of socialist ideals & still operate major parts of our lives on those basis , families, police, fire departments, shelters, roads, government, unions & fema. Im not really understanding the impossible part.

[@mindaugasjurevicius5776]

@@cheatcodes1407 ''look even usa have 1 thing which could be called socialism'' doesn't exactly prove if it's possible or not. Probably every system has some socialism aspects in it.

[@John_Lee_]

He's so tough on his own stream. As soon as it's someone else's camera/stream he reverts to the child he really is.

[@TheBakuganmaster99]

He really is a 35 yr old child. 😂

[@Novous]

> hasan Imagine being a political pundit who can't or won't debate That's like a librarian pushing books and he can't even read

[@RIPbennyharvey]

It’s so odd going from this to Hasans page and than h3’s and seeing comments like “hasan explained this all so well for Ethan” and “Dan is such a queen, he should co host instead of Ethan”.

[@amaurymestan6192]

what i realised after watching Hasan getting push back is that he is a big user of the "but what about this thing" which is usually a tactic used by schoolchildren

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Socialists probably shouldn't use the word 'reeducation' if they don't want to evoke camps... He didn't even say 'education' - which he could have explained away as _our fearless teachers will explain the greatness of socialism to the children in our communist schools, so there will be no dissidents_ - he said 'reeducation' xD.

[@SurjitShow]

PSYOP comments from Hasan's community.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Tinfoil hat

[@infinityvalor8101]

I've seen you in multiple comment of this video. Also you: "For Hasan and Ethan it ended immediately, Destiny seems to be stunlocked out of his mind." Hasan fans need HELP

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

@@infinityvalor8101 Debate lords need a social life.

[@Gizzardx0]

@@NationalistsRuinAmerica You are a debate lord lmao

[@Voltroc]

Cenk's nephew is wrong about Ethan convincing people to change to socialism when they compare his sanity to his. I think Ethan's world would be more tolerable, but I don't want it fully either.

[@hellsjamfleas]

What right wing people are watching Leftovers 😅. Who would be representing their point of view and concerns. This is a cope, the main people watching were Ethan's fans , and they barely turn up for that podcast.

[@KaiserShounen]

Why the hell did he get so offended over someone just asking to talk to an academic about these topics???

[@TeddyOG]

Destiny doesnt even seem to enjoy making fun of Hasan, he legitimately looks sad. Hasan's immense and endless insecurity is just plain sad at this point

[@bibek12332]

Do you know when destiny is coming back?

[@TeddyOG]

@@bibek12332 should be back Oct 2nd since vidcon ends Oct 1st, but who knows, maybe him and Vaush will hang out after making a truce during the weekend?

[@k.l.7782]

Why is Destiny talking about him in the first place? He's obsessed with Hasan and it's getting embarrassing

[@ChiefFknChief]

hasanabi is a comedy channel, obviously

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

John Stewart is also a comedian.

[@CHClNOfullmelt]

For hasan any comment that is not a "so true" or a praise is debate, if you go against or ask questions about whatever he says hell call you a debate pervert. he made up a word to save his ass from any kind of conversation

[@morbidchid]

Hasan pretends that he's been dunking on scholars in debates but just got clowned by Ethan Klein.

[@LonelyRaven]

The issue with debate preverts is that they challange his world view

[@fredrik5832]

Underrated Channel.

[@100popsongs]

Why is Hasan like 35 but looks like the stock cutout of a “gen Z”

[@michaelh878]

To appeal to his audience.

[@randomperzon123]

Because inside he's still the insecure chubby boy he was when he was younger. That's also why he avoids confrontation like the plague.

[@justinhankins7253]

"if I was dictator it would all be great" Hasan

[@MakinMoneyISeasy]

If Ethan Klein makes you look like an idiot in a debate, you should not ever be debating.

[@Dan16673]

Hasan is my favorite capitalist

[@Disgruntled1986]

"Did people say you need to work harder to not starve to death?" Yes they do. All the time. That is their favourite talking point, unironically.

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

You can say bricks are the best thing to build a house, but you still need mortar, concrete, lumber, drywall, nails etc for a brick house to be its sturdiest and most functional.

[@BlazinTigger]

14 million people die from famine but the question is where? it's in places like Yemen where governments are keeping people from getting the food not capitalists pricing people out of food, capitalism via GMOs demolished world hunger.

[@Robisquick]

Hasan really did the “Toxic gossip train” method of approaching tough situations by placing guilt and bad intentions and pathetic behavior onto the people criticizing, or even worse, ASKING casually, why Hasan doesn’t do something ( aka what a political commentator should be doing if their pursuit is noble and one of making effective change and shift.) Hasan just sinks lower and lower in my book. He also makes criticisms about others that apply most serendipitously and squarely on him.

[@mrman-yj3bn]

Hasan fans have replaced "he agrees with me" with "he is verry smart and articulate"

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

I'm glad it doesn't look like Hasan is backing down from the Ethan debates (at least for now) because people will actually see what he sounds like when challenged by an actual person instead of chat

[@dave93x]

Hair looking darker in this light. Dark clothes. Lookin like a magician

[@ryutou-ki4dl]

being a person that doesnt even have a reddit account watching content creators talk about reddit like its the real world and the real world views is so wild to me lmao

[@rohanjarande]

The robots were set to auto execute a "cope response" when faced with cognitive dissonance, but weren't sophisticated enough to make it believable 😢.

[@kyleh4339]

I respect someone like Destiny a lot. Even though I disagree with him on a lot of topics and ideas, we may agree on only some things, BUT he is true with himself, knows when he see's BS and calls it out no matter what side it is, he will admit when he's wrong, and he does not buy in to these outlandish ideas held by a lot of other people.

[@derp2018]

lol debate perverts.... its such a meaningless term to call someone like they are a creep for debating or something???

[@ataridc]

If it ever meant anything maybe they are trying to say the same thing as when people would call Saw movies torture poor-n as in there is something self indulgent being partaken in rather than an actual desire to come to the best conclusions on subjects maybe? I mean realistically it is just a meaningless insult meant to dismiss things they aren't capable of dealing with without folding like noodle babies.

[@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301]

he should go full on "debate groomers". Commit to the grift.

[@ashlomen8432]

They mean you are focused on rhetoric to the point of perversion. Not that you are a sexual pervert. You had to know that.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

Yes. Because your behavior is not normal and if you ever talk like that to someone on the street they would literally be scared away by your sweatiness.

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

​@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301Sure, if you wanna debate little girls on the age of consent, we will happily call you debate groomers or worse.

[@doodoo871]

Idt Hassan truly believes the views he expresses anymore. He’s found a niche that gets him paid and will run that well dry.

[@McKahley11]

First there was debate bros, now it's debate perverts. Next there will be debate rapists. This is getting scary 😱

[@DissenterNet]

Sounds like "debate perverts" is a term for people that dont know what sophistry is. These debate bros are just run of the mill sophists. Sophistry is basically the art of how to win an argument, when you are in fact wrong, through bad faith manipulation of language and emotion. A good modern example is the main character in the movie ~Thank you for smoking. “That's the beauty of argument: if you argue correctly, you're never wrong.” and to paraphrase "You dont have to be right if you can make your opponent look wrong.'. The entire movie is basically a clinic on sophist debate.

[@doxpin7432]

Or by redefining well established terms.

[@DissenterNet]

@@doxpin7432 Agreed. Having a conversation is already hard enough when people agree on the definitions of words/concepts, it becomes almost impossible when peoples understanding of words/concepts are drastically different. People should just create new words for new concepts and make things easy on us. I assume the main goal is to make communication difficult though in which case mission accomplished. A prime example of this is love. Someone telling you they love you is meaningless unless you know what the concept of love means to them. ~Philosophical Investigations, Sec. 293 by L. Wittgenstein If I say of myself that it is only from my own case that I know what the word "pain" means - must I not say the same of other people too? And how can I generalize the one case so irresponsibly? Now someone tells me that he knows what pain is only from his own case! --Suppose everyone had a box with something in it: we call it a "beetle". No one can look into anyone else's box, and everyone says he knows what a beetle is only by looking at his beetle. --Here it would be quite possible for everyone to have something different in his box. One might even imagine such a thing constantly changing. --But suppose the word "beetle" had a use in these people's language? --If so it would not be used as the name of a thing. The thing in the box has no place in the language-game at all; not even as a something: for the box might even be empty. --No, one can 'divide through' by the thing in the box; it cancels out, whatever it is. That is to say: if we construe the grammar of the expression of sensation on the model of 'object and designation' the object drops out of consideration as irrelevant.

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

So vaush?

[@DissenterNet]

@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739 To be honest its most people. I have never watched Vaush but id say yes by what little I have seen in Destiny's clips. A lot of it is human nature. The sunk cost effect is very powerful so most people are truly incapable of believing they were wrong about something and will instead resort to some form of mental gymnastics to allow them to feel like they were right all along or at the very least their opponent was wrong. This is what it is to be closed minded. It truly is hard and people should be proud when they can receive new information and change the way they think about something. Like all things it comes naturally to some but even still you have to understand bias and how it can work to be truly great at being open minded. I would say one of the best resources in that regard is the book how to lie with statistics. People tend to believe things that enforce what they already believe so being mindful and looking for the tricks used to manipulate us is of great import if you truly want to find much truth in this world.

[@justifano7046]

This is basically the lefty version of the Tate trial. If you don't debate you're right, because debate is bad. If you do debate and win it's because your ideas are better If you debate and lose it's because debate is bad

[@williamhenthorn]

It's wild that if Hasan extended his charitability towards Ethan towards Destiny basically none of the drama would have ever happened I wonder if that's how he feels now in retrospect, everything is just too far gone at this point

[@rilly1489]

All of this is like watching teenage boys process the nuances of the world and (hopefully) growing from boy to man. Only they are likely in their 30s already.

[@Beautyargentina6]

Hasan is very hard to tolerate

[@ChristopherRoche]

I disagree with destiny a lot. But I respect that he is capable of criticizing both sides, is intelligent and doesn’t continuously straw man.

[@bardol359]

The starvation argument from hasan is insanely stupid. Criticizing the poverty of socialist regimes like the USSR, by using the number of starvation deaths makes sense because in a socialist country basic necessities like food are supposed to be supplied by the government, thus the amount of deaths can tell you directly that the government is fucking up, especially when said government is too busy committing war crimes and putting all resources in the militarization of the country.

[@sole__doubt]

My favorite part is that all those commenting hating on "debate bros" are projecting their inadequacies.

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

Hot take: Tbh the fact Hasan is popular mixed with the fact that many academics and politicians agree with his side probably influenced my political leaning. There are def threats on the right as well, but as someone who weighs economics very heavily I am MUCH more terrified of us falling to lefties, tankies, and more government than I am of us falling to Trumpists.

[@WLS_Churchill]

Hasan's audience think that a debate is a clash and nothing else, not a single one of them can concieve that a debate can be a constructive discussion that make everyone in the room think a little bit differently, and Hasan to.

[@chonky2129]

"debate perverts" lmao they'll say anything to avoid having to defend their takes

[@tyler71989]

6 out of 10 of the worst famines in history were in socialist countries under socialism. Cambodia 1979, Ukrainian SSR 1932-34, North Korea 1995-1999, Soviet Union 1921-1922, China 1958-1962, and Ethiopia 1983-1985

[@Robby_C]

Hasan "doing something productive with your life, like working out, or asking a girl out" 🤣

[@simonhall9583]

"Reading is fucking boring. Thinking is fucking boring." - the average Hasan viewer. It's also funny that at 8:17, he turns into Fresh and Fit.

[@crazyhandgrows6432]

I imagine these are how all of Hasan's streams go. He just yells at chat, the people saying whatever gets him worked up so he'll start raging about how everyone else that doesn't "understand" his ideas because their dumb.

[@popotade4621]

When someone starts with "I used to balela" but now I "blablabla" they're just grandstanding. it translates to "I used to be bad, but I have redeemed myself, I am a good person guys".

[@JamesCourse66]

Hasan (and Dan) did a pitiful job explaining how socialism could benefit a country. I’m quite far left but listening to Ethan’s argument with Destiny commentating has actually shifted my perspective a bit. I don’t think a full scale change could happen because this “reeducation” will never work and greed/ambition must always be addressed for an economy to work.

[@Dan16673]

Full scale has been tried. Over and over and over.

[@Hodapp]

Hey re-education camps are great Glorious Leader Xi taught me that!

[@JamesCourse66]

@@Dan16673 Yeah I don’t think a reeducation in either direction would work. Ethan is right in that we have to fix the system we’re in over time.

[@olcay8233]

reeducation always happens under capitalism, you already know and experience this by just going through an education in a capitalist society where it is shown to be the only economy model to which either there are no alternatives of, or that those alternatives suck balls. even you saying you're becoming more right wing is proof of that. you are not changing your mind through introspection and research, you are just finding it hard to not be brainwashed by increasingly intense reeducation&education programs and propaganda. sad for you but class consciousness will live on and we will have reeducation programs going the other way around, promise it will not be as horrible as it is under the current planning of the economy.

[@TheGoldPrecision]

From an objective view, Hasan actually seems like he never knows what he's talking about. I dont know much about him and don't have any reason to dislike him specifically, but anytime I see him talking it's like he is a famous streamer for having stupid takes on things and anytime he explains himself his own chat even turns on him because he's clueless. Dude just needs to do react content tbh.

[@DevotedDisciple-x]

If we are talking about Ethan Klein, I'd truly rather spend a 40 hour work week counting all of the tiny bumps on a plastered wall than watch these two talk for twenty minutes. I'm a firm believer that the people you listen to and spend time around shape who you are and your level of intelligence.

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Being around funny people makes me funny as I can be, and the same is true for smart people. It’s also pretty maladaptive to be like “everyone around me is stupid I wish I knew more smart people”

[@qobs1854]

It amazes me that people donate to Hassan to ask him a question waiting for the same brain dead taking points everytime😂🤡

[@MrG22333]

Every debate hasan has had against a real political analyst, he has lost horribly.

[@mlgfin]

I was almost a Hasan viewer back when he “debated” Tate, but then I clicked on his channel and found out he was a socialist; so I said “fuck that” and haven’t watched anything since then. Then like a month after that, I saw a clip of destiny debating the great replacement bald bearded Christian guy and play the piano during it.

[@pikengren1]

As long as you keep saying words, you arent wrong.

[@pigeonsil240sx]

they always use the "accuse others of what you are guilty of" the irony is who coined that term is very fitting

[@SpikedCollar666]

lol new favorite activity is “debate bro pervertry”

[@Tom-gp2uo]

There’s not much more soy in the world than hassn trying to act tough while yelling

[@scottconover7569]

Damn I’m on no side in this but are we really saying that capitalism is fine as long as you’re not half the country can’t afford a 400$ emergency?! Of course it can be good for those it’s been good for but you cannot deny as the income gap has become unsustainable that we need to change. Destiny too smart to completely defend it knowing how bad for most it has been smh

[@zbyszekszmitek8289]

Wow destiny doesn't look like a homeless person

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

his background looks like he just got his first flat ever

[@Futile_Actions]

His maroon shirt keeps appearing as a Dimebag Darrell beard to my blind eyes lol

[@mrsapostate]

Destiny looks very handsome today. 😍

[@WaniZame]

Hasan talking about Taiwan was hilarious. What a goober.

[@RubysWrath]

Watching someone not understand why they are being called a debate pervert. As they stare at a video practically beating their meat waiting for the person to make a mistake or say something they can insult is insane.

[@bojan353]

this is never going to end, is it...

[@NationalistsRuinAmerica]

For Hasan and Ethan it ended immediately, Destiny seems to be stunlocked out of his mind.

[@ashlomen8432]

it will end when Destiny wants to stop milking Hasan's dick for content, so never... and I mean it is funny so why should he stop

[@bennyd8343]

@@NationalistsRuinAmerica bro... ur trying way too hard

[@ashlomen8432]

@@bennyd8343 how is he wrong?

[@bennyd8343]

@@ashlomen8432 he’s under every comment riding Hasan lol it was jus funny to me

[@kopekopekop]

I think everyone dislikes “debate bros” but I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen Destiny be like that in a debate.

[@Girtharmstrong69]

I get being a rebel within a system but hasan chose the absolute most capitalistic way to make money possible (selling ads)

[@declancampbell1277]

thats why nobody takes him seriously, he advocates for communism and socialism while wearing an outfit that costs thousands, driving in a car worth hundreds of thousands, and living in a house worth millions. he's like one of those braindead celebs that wore the "eat the rich" get up while not understanding he'd be one of the ones eaten. If his socialist/communist utopia was born he'd be one of the ones dragged screaming into the street and hung from a noose.

[@Jakereisman11111]

Hasan talking about how he steamrolls people in debates is dumb. Even when he tried to debate a pro debater like AJW he basically had to resort to a point where he had to attack him for his subscriber count and how he thinks hes better looking.

[@Diamond_Eyes86]

I love that Hasans own viewer asking him why he doesn’t debate more academics on the same topics he discusses with Ethan in Hasans mind is someone trying to “shit stir.” Excuse me Sir I was very compelled by watching your latest content and I would like to see more of it with people more informed on the topics. “Bleh you just wanna stir shit and watch sweaty losers debate for drama” Between the mental gymnastics and gas lighting coming from Hasan it’s pretty clear the man is terrified of actual debate or confrontation. Like what a way to treat someone who’s engaging with your content and asking a genuine question.

[@dissident1337]

I don't really care about the opinions of someone who thinks poverty should still exist.

[@entropy404]

A goofy goomba

[@Nobodyyoucarabout]

Remember folks, There are levels to everything If you are the best soccer player at your high school, and go to play in College, everyone at that college was the best player at their high school too. This will continue towards the pinnacle of professional sport. So yes, if I was comfortable, making money, and not willing to compromise myself to being defeated in an intellectual battle, I too would stick with internet debates.

[@duckpotat9818]

A) Social democracy in rich countries only works because of ruthless capitalism and literal slave labour in poor countries. If workers were all fairly paid in all countries then SocDem taxes + prices would be unaffordable without somehow appropriating capitalist profits. B) Ideally the people wouldn't want capitalism back the same way you don't want feudalism back but even if there were some such parties they'd be allowed to hold office but the constitution would limit them so it won't matter. Same as in capitalist countries. C) I wouldn't blame the deaths under capitalism and socialism *directly* on them but rather on malthusianism, lysenkoism, authoritarianism and colonialism. (Seem 150+ million deaths in Ireland and India under British rule)

[@duckpotat9818]

Man why are internet neo lib capitards, tankies and champagne socialites so phuking stupid, they keep repeating the same talking points over and over and circle jerking, never read a philosophy, history, economics, politics or science book. They think they're Adam Smith or Marx himself after reading the Commi manifesto or an Econ 101 summary. I respect Destiny for digging deep enough to defend his view point even if I don't always agree with him and he has the balls to say 'idk' or 'idc' when push comes to shove instead of lolly gaging about a hard question.

[@vulcanmemes9770]

Ah yes, the infamous slave labor camps of Denmark and Sweden that still go on to this day unimpeded, who could ever forget that dark time in history.

[@michaelh878]

Maybe. Or people would just have to get a new iphone every 5 years instead of every 2-3.

[@duckpotat9818]

@@vulcanmemes9770 is that what I said? I said those SocDems would collapse if workers in Asia and Africa worked in good conditions with fair pay for the products consumed in Denmark etc

[@fontagra.6142]

@@duckpotat9818do you have any evidence or are you just pulling this out of your ass?

[@MA-go7ee]

When the deaths caused by socialism are referenced, it is referring to specific instances where systems (often agricultural) were working just fine until communists took over and enforced their untested theories, causing a catastrophe. It not just counting every random death under every communist regime.