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Hasbro Or 3rd Party? Who Did CHUG Menasor Better, And Cheaper??? | #transformers Legacy Menasor
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[@Robo_Italianman]

I have a love hate relationship for combiners what I love about it is it’s satisfying to put together but what I hate about it is how expensive it is

[@kociarzultimate384]

That's why we should get more legends scale combiners

[@Noizemaze4]

@@kociarzultimate384 like Bruticus ~ I want them in RID 2001 Artic Camo colors and the 2000 CR colors too to pair up with Scourge / Black Convoy xD

[@sssentertainment]

@@kociarzultimate384 Sadly, Legends scale is increasing in price. Newage Devastator can go for $300. :(

[@kociarzultimate384]

@@sssentertainment I just hope Hasbro will do it then, I mean G1 toy was similar size and they are already designed to combine, so it might play out better than Volcanicus, also, why only Devastator, he is not the apex of combiners

[@sssentertainment]

@@kociarzultimate384 Hasbro released the combining Dinobots (Transformers Legacy) that are Core Class, which is essentially similar to Legends scale. I'm down for more Legends/Core combiners from Hasbor/Takara.

[@raphaeldagamer]

"Solid and sturdy" My Legacy Motormaster would be laughing if his shoulder wasn't broken.

[@Alcastar607]

That's rough, man. Shame you had to deal with that.

[@raphaeldagamer]

@@Alcastar607 I have a replacement now.

[@ailestriker9888]

Probably laughed too hard

[@shinzero0271]

One thing that bugs me about Legacy Menasor is that they specifically made the leg joint connections so you can't turn them around if you preferred the cars facing front. They basically went with a variant of the combiner wars connection but then made a change that puts in the limitation. Add in the big tower that gets excluded from the combined form and it really seemed like something went weird during the design phase. I do like that Dragstrip's spoiler can kinda be moved to look like brass knuckles for that arm though.

[@johnb.8977]

They designed him with the original version of him in mind. In the g1 cartoon dead end and breakdown are faced backwards so I see nothing wrong with him in that regard

[@shinzero0271]

@@johnb.8977 They could've done the same thing without making it so that it only worked in one direction. I get that he's meant to be G1 but they specifically redesigned the limb connection so that they're one way. I mean, you can still attach Combiner Wars legs in their place which shows that they didn't need to do it that way.

[@jamesianhutchison1165]

Based purely on aesthetics, the 3rd party rainbow warriors can get in the bin. 😅 Not my cup of tea combined, individual bots or alt modes.

[@ffnbbq]

​@@shinzero0271 People didn't like it when Combiner Wars officially turned the legs around (showing the vehicles in front of the legs) so the combiners could have knee articulation. You saw dudes display CW/UW combiners with their legs backwards (vehicle parts behind the legs) as a consequence. Now people are doing the opposite with Legacy Menasor, and I'm not sure if people are just being contrarians or something.

[@shinzero0271]

@@ffnbbq It really just depends on people's preferences. My complaint is that they took away the ability to really choose which way you prefer.

[@Harshlikesyoutube]

The Menasor transforming part when you watch Emgo is pure gold lmao

[@The_guy25]

You know with things like the unicron debate along with the masterpiece scale figures I feel like this is one of those times where an official figure comes out on top, because it is cheaper and has better solidity

[@grand_max66]

This comparison honestly kind of feels the exact opposite of the Unicron one. Here there isn't much of a size difference, Hasbro's is cheaper, is more stable, and kind of like how the main reason some went with Hasbro's version was mostly the size, the main reason to go with the Fransproject Menasor is the G2 colours.

[@SixshotRevan]

@@grand_max66 And more than likely the Legacy Stunticons will come out in G2 colors too. They already did Dragstrip.

[@Noizemaze4]

well there's an 8 year gap so obvious Hasbro has learned much, even preeeeeeeeetty sure they would have analyzed the FP ver. too when designing theirs. Keep in mind that the FP ver. was more akin to the Superlink / Energon designs that were G1 homages and not actual G1 per se

[@DrLockdown]

Breakdown gang Breakdown gang Breakdown gang Breakdown gang

[@The_Bionicle_Nerd]

I am going to say this. Hasbro wins in this case because It is technically optional to buy the full team. Considering motormaster Comes with all the Combination parts so....id rather buy Motor master and pick up the rest of the team at a later date. Then have to spend 400+ dollars on a full team that is arguably "better". So good work hasbro

[@Snugrot]

I love that your parents have some interest in your hobby with their video cameos. Wholesome.

[@krizilid]

Lmao emgo is my go to for transformations too 😅 because sheepwielder says we have class! Great video as always man!

[@m0shipro]

Its just, the fansproject one, they all just look… off, too skinny, except for breakdown but i still prefer legacy

[@orionpax444]

The FansProject leg bots are based on the IDW Menasor. The leg bots are designed to be pointing down with the trunk portions tilted forward. This uses their exhaust weapons as in the comic. Good video as always thank you. P.S. I've owned the original run FP Menasor since day one and have never had any major deterioration issues. Yeah the ball joint ankles are a pain and the Motormaster legs are challenging.

[@Noizemaze4]

yeah got mine back in 2014 as well and has been good to me since then ~ DS is annoying to transform while keeping the windshield in mind but other than that it's a great team !

[@triknot333]

I see this and can't believe how much they go down :( The original one work much better.

[@keayadeez6931]

I would still choose official than third party cause tbh not a lot of third party transformers have good qc BUT I’m not saying that the official’s qc is good and it’s just cheaper in general🤷‍♂️

[@CharzBoi]

hasbro revisting combiners is really exciting, and I'm hoping they make a new devastator soon (as a box set or a bunch of single releases, I don't care which), as the quality of figures, especially in articulation, has greatly improved inbetween the CW devastator and modern day figures.

[@Cdr2002]

I’m hoping for them to be done on SS86 since the SS team did such a good job with the Bay constructicons

[@pat1r1ck]

I finally own the SS devastator (with some knockoff version since some are sold out) I gotta say, he's pretty good but the upgrade kit would make him better but it's too damn expensive for me

[@straker454]

If they do I hope they release the Unite Warriors set in the US with some retooling to fix a little more. The Unite Warriors version is what I own and it is SO nice.

[@dkkanofkash8798]

I want a Devastator in the SS86 line, considering how active the Constructicons were in the 1986 movie.

[@Archive_7802]

@@dkkanofkash8798ohhhhhhh, that’d be sick!

[@mightyfidif7090]

Just going add this as a separate comment, I have the DNA upgrade kit for Legacy Menasor, and MAAAN does it make a difference. I heavily recommend it if you have the bucks and feel like you want your Menasor to be nearly at perfection. One of their better kits in recent time.

[@mightyfidif7090]

Honestly I am not sure if I might be a minority, but I genuinely prefer the Legacy one looks wise. It is likely do to me just likeing the more simplistic designs, but I just prefer them.

[@straker454]

This is exactly why I stopped buying 3rd party combiner figures. I had the TFC Toys Hercules and I couldn't do anything with it. It looked amazing but it was so top heavy and fiddly I just sold it and bought the Takara Unite Warriors Devastator and i is SO much nicer. I love me some Fansproject and bought a lot of their stuff but in general, I've sold off my 3rd Party figs and Fansproject upgrade kits and I'm just going to stick to Hasbro stuff and some small upgrade kits. Even DNA is just missing the mark on their upgrades.

[@Noizemaze4]

it depends on your preference, every party / company including hasbro has their OWN interpretation and handling on how everything needs to be done, and what to focus on :O

[@straker454]

@@Noizemaze4 That's true, I just wish most of these 3rd Party companies focused on making their combiners be not top heavy messes, or fiddly fragile messes that explode if you look at them wrong. I've seen too many videos of people with 3rd Party pieces that are over priced, over designed and fall apart and I even owned some. I got rid of them because I got tired of no QC and no accountability for the over priced combiners they made, and while not perfect, the Unite Warriors Devastator blew the TFC Toys figure out of the water for a third of the price :O

[@xhairstargetmaster6338]

You need to get the upgrade kit for legacy! It makes him so much better!

[@hollyannbrumback1104]

One really cares even I don't care about clothes the legacy one is way better in every way even in originality like the 1997 show and even from the movie you are wrong the other one is trash working too many colors and doesn't even look classic enough for me it's not even G1 enough for me you are wrong in every way possible the legacy one is way better in every way than the other one the other one was looking trashy I do not know why you think the other one is better than covers the other one is way better and I don't really care about colors the legacy one captures the essence of the g1 from the show

[@ignika1407]

That third party looks so frustrating, I had something similar not long ago with Trojan Horse's Waspinator. Same thing, it looks really cool, but that's all it has going for it, the transformation is a shellforming with nothing staying in place even if its life depended on it, half the joints are too loose and the rest is too stiff. That was my first 3rd party and likely my last, especially after seeing this video if it shows a regular trend like that in them. They look awesome, sure, but I still want quality for my money, especially if it's way more expensive than the official stuff

[@Noizemaze4]

it was the best Menasor we had since 2013, until the legacy version came out :O if you want comic / futuristic accuracy go for the FP, if you want G1 accuracy go for Legacy ~

[@SwedishGundam]

​@@Noizemaze4if you want G1 accurate go for Magic Square. Sure it's legends scale but it's still the most G1 accurate version of Menasor we have and there is a larger one out there via a knock off company

[@Noizemaze4]

@@SwedishGundam nah I actually don't like the G1 aesthetics of Legacy, I only bought the set cuz I LOVE it's engineering feat >_> FP on the other hand is almost the opposite; while the engineering was GREAT at the time (like 10 years ago) it's a biiiit lackluster now, just a bit. However the design is a BANGER with updated modern looks for all the G1 guys and are great to look at !_! Which is why half of my G1 - esque toys are CHUG and the ones that are not released in those format I default to legacy >_>

[@coffeeinhandproductions3238]

I had serious doubts about the Legacy one after the absolute train wreck that was the Combiner Wars one. Didn't feel the need to experience it to know how bad it was. Legacy though has super surprised me with its quality, simplicity and return to mostly G1 basics. I think I've bought more TFs in the last half year than the last 12. Never had a G1 Menasaur, but the Legacy iteration with Motor Master probably the most accurate we've seen him with a no fuss and stable combined mode is fast rising to the top of my list. Especially now that it's being rereleased with I imagine a lot of the QC issues improved. Dragstrip looks the most fun out of the bunch while others are essentially there to provide limbs for the big guy. Now I really want Legacy to bring back Brutucus as the idea of one Commander and four deluxe class seems to work out pretty well.

[@LaneBassingthwaite]

I agree. Though personally I'd rather see Superion first. And while I understand the whole "they don't really combine" criticism I can't say I agree with it either. While the idea of a proper "combiner" sounds fun Combiner Wars proved that it was hard to do and I'd rather have a stable fun to mess with combiner, rather than one I have to stand up on life support (heavy figure stand) then never touch again. So in other words I'm all for commander combiner frames. Also I highly recommend the DNA kit for Menasor. Makes him even better.

[@Lazrael32]

​@@LaneBassingthwaite i believe they recently teased that Superion is next.

[@LaneBassingthwaite]

@@Lazrael32 YES!!!!

[@Lazrael32]

@@LaneBassingthwaite don't take it as fact they could change their mind. But it is a good possibility. especially since they can retool the same mold and it is the most popular Autobot combiner and the "enemy" of Menasor. (I was hoping for defensor myslef)

[@LaneBassingthwaite]

@@Lazrael32 If that comes true I will be a happy man but if they all feel similar to Menasor I'd probably try to go for them all. Defensor would be cool, as would Bruticus.

[@sidearmsalpha]

I think the Hasbro set is good for bot and vehicle modes except for what they did to Breakdown. Dragstrip is hands down the best as they finally did accurate bot and car modes. I have the original FP set with the DMY upgrade kit and I'm currently using that as my Menasor. I still have the CW and UW sets with the upgrade kits and thought about getting rid of them but I like the idea of having different versions of Transformers to compare and display together. I wish these 3rd party companies making Legends scale would do CHUG scale figures. I'm thinking they don't want to ruffle Hasbro's feathers so they don't. I'm currently trying to work on getting all my Combiners to work scale-wise with the Transformmission Menasor as it's too small for my MP collection. Quite a few of the older 3rd party Combiners are bigger than what Hasbro has offered except for their Devastator and Predaking.

[@atomicoverridelbc6796]

I finally have all the stunticons and I love them all, the only issue I have with menasor are the sword and his legs look kind of stumpy.

[@LaneBassingthwaite]

I love IDW, I love IDW designs. Aside from the combine mode this is not one of those situations for me. While I do love the sleeker look of Fansproject I find the robots and even alt modes less distinctive and for that price it ain't worth it. The Legacy plus DNA kit that I own is amazing and still a far cheaper option. It's one where I can just flip between modes and pose to my hearts content as opposed to this Fansproject one where I'd pose it once, put it on a shelf and never touch it again.

[@TheRazorFox]

I adore the Legacy Menasor. While I had my issues with distribution, and QA (f***ing Dead End will never be in bot mode because mine is so garbo) I love the combined mode. He's solid, possible, wears the limbs well. Only thing that I will probably do at some point is buy him a bigger sword. But yeah easily my favorite. Also he doesn't try to fall over constantly like my Devastater or God Fire Convoy.

[@DewlayLomo]

Speaking of bad qa, my motormaster has two right thighs. Could not transform to torso mode as a result

[@TheRazorFox]

@@DewlayLomo Ugh. That is awful, contact hasbro for a replacement. My Dead End just had every tab too tight, so could fix it myself. I feel it's worth going through the headache to get Menasor completed.

[@Noizemaze4]

@@DewlayLomo nooooo wayyyyyyyyyy @_@

[@geistxx]

Menasor's my favorite combiner. I still have, and love Fansproject Intimidator, but, in my humble opinion, Legacy blows it out of the water. (As it should, considering it came out, what, ten years later?)

[@grand_max66]

"Ten years later?" No that's... that's impossible

[@Noizemaze4]

@@grand_max66 almost, FP was 2013 ~ and Legacy set finished up in 2022 so 9 years :P

[@krishacz]

i wish more companies did CHUG scale/price but their own designs, i love the look of the fansproject stunticons and i'm getting bored of retreads of old stuff. but alas all 3p companies seem to just be doing legends or mp

[@grand_max66]

One of the designers at MMC actually answered someone's question on why 3P stopped doing CHUG releases and it's because it was causing them to lose money. As by the time of 2018 Hasbro had done a poll in Europe asking fans why they collected 3P and started applying that to Siege and Earthrise. So now that Hasbro had basically killed 3P CHUG without even lifting a legal finger they moved on to the other main markets.

[@ffnbbq]

LOL- those days are long gone. Third party used to be geared towards supplementing Generations ect, but now virtually nothing is off the table for Hasbro to make (I recall someone at MMC saying Hasbro has that segment completely locked down). Some, like Mech Ideas, even tried quite hard to price figures like their IDW Ironfist st near Hasbro prices. Though I guess that's why they didn't make much else afterwards. Plus, there's profit to be made for third parties in doing Masterpiece-like toys where they can charge whatever they like.

[@wonderfulwalrus5715]

I love how your family supports your hobby rather than taking a shit on it. Cudos to them

[@Noizemaze4]

oh yes BIG kudos !!!!

[@chrisjones5949]

There's frustrated, and then there's "Fuck this, I'm going to *look up someone else's how-to video on camera* " frustrated.

[@PlatinumKnight-je3vy]

I love Legacy Menasor, he was pretty much sold to me when he was first announced back when Legacy was first shown off via Dragstrip. I’d have to say that my favourite figure out of the set would have to be Motormaster, a clear upgrade from the CW one for sure. I’m just satisfied as a whole, hope for more CHUG combiners in the future!

[@Noizemaze4]

yeah ............. I wasn't planning on gettin ANY of the team at all but ............. ended up doing so just because of how much I love this Motormaster T_T

[@Chadderbox171]

I don't think they'll do reruns of the combiners. They did menasor because he's the one that needed the upgrade, but since they've done a selects version of abominus and Volcanicus. I don't see them upgrading the others. Superion is near perfection even without the upgrade kits, and besides they did a selects box set for pirranacon and God Neptune. The only two I see them redoing is Devastator and Predaking because of SS 86. I don't think Predaking was in the 1986 movie, I could be wrong though. Devastator is the only one I see them redoing because of SS 86 like I said

[@worldssmallestdestron7819]

3rd party was good for when you wanted a Menasor, but didn't want the CW version because its posing was crap. Legacy Menasor feels like an apology for the CW version, and feels a lot more stable and posable than any other Hasbro-released combiner released (excluding Devastator).

[@raydenlord]

The shoulder pads on Menasor crack? This is the first I’m hearing of this. What exactly should I be looking out for?

[@TransDrummer1312]

I have the G1 color scheme of the 3P set. I’m selling him ASAP lol. Legacy Menasor blows him out of the water. And even if you get the upgrade kit from DNA, it’s still more bang for your buck to go with Legacy.

[@Aseop]

Why are you comparing the G2 colorway of Fransproject to to classic colors? It wouldve nade more sense if u had the original run cause most casual collectors dont know these are G2 colors.

[@DragmaKerp]

I… like my G2 combiner wars menasor well enough to not need the legacy one. Maybe hot take, but I prefer my combiners to… you know, combine, not make armor for their leader

[@theangrycheesehead]

I got the DK-38 for menasor and I was able to use the extension for the trailer real well and it looks a bit better, tho there were parts I didn't change due to them not connecting. Also I use Breakdown's gun to make a faux smokestack for motormaster

[@ranrandara11]

Perfect timing since hasbro just made another batch of motormaster I grabbed him for 89 instead of the 200$ the after market was asking

[@red4501]

I’ve only ever been able to find 1 menasor piece at retail costs. I think the way they do combiners over multiple waves now is super shitty and a major turn off

[@Optimusprime809]

A 26 minute long video from one of my favourite KZbinrs? Hells yeah! Bro really said he's 6 ft 3, must be something in the water over there 😂 It's cool you're going to TFNation, I've never been but am considering making the journey, just wondering the best way to get to Birmingham 🤔

[@GUSTAVO.H.O.F.]

The one based on the 90s Looks pretty good :) But the one from last year.... Looks like $π#@!

[@jameshopkins166]

i like the G1 astetic of the Legacy Menasor. he is alot more stable from what it looks like. i do not have the Fans Project one but i do have Legacy. it does have its drawbacks like his hands and feet. those feet SUCK! but over all looks better. i do wish that it came with a bigger sword and a rifle but there are upgrade kits i can get for that =) for a min there i thought you where going to throw the Fans Project across the room lolol great video.

[@williammckinley1035]

I like the Hasbro version more than the 3rd party one. It looks solid and sturdier. I like the colors on the 3rd party one and designs are interesting. My only problem with the Hasbro version is finding them at retail. I would order them online, but their prices are inflated and by the time I complete the set, they will be just as expensive as the 3rd party one.

[@Noizemaze4]

YUP, and if you wanna make it look "perfect" 3rd party parts from china and decals from Toyhax will set you back to the point where you're paying even MORE than the FP one, and the FP Menasor is almost perfect on it's own imo, the only add on parts it needs are the arm covers in combined form

[@encarnacionhernandez5736]

The original fp one was better. Also the cars on the legs are supposed to be face down and trunk upwards.

[@dealpha3698]

When he type Emgo for help LMAOF.

[@ParadoxFree]

3:32 Idk if it's just me but there's a bit of a flash while the shot is on screen and it's kind of hard to watch.

[@Coboxite]

Its so crazy seeing Fans project Menasor in g2 colors after it just being Wild Rider for what feels like forever

[@Noizemaze4]

I think they just released the final piece; Motormaster this year ? they were planning it for 2021 and 2020 but lockdowns set things back a bit. I've seen people with the other 4 cars in G2 colors since 2016 and they've been waiting for the final piece since then @_@ FP may have gone bankrupt and died out so someone else took over the production of MM if I'm not wrong

[@screamingchild.1352]

All that money spent and you didn't get breakdown's right hand.

[@thebonediddler4508]

I was lucky enough to get the fans project figures (minus Motor Master) at TFCon for $100. So the whole group only cost me ~$250. Glad I have them, but I do feel that they fumbled at the finish line due to QC.

[@The_Bulette]

Why not use the Tigerwing slightly Upscale Magic Square Menasor set in this comparison of price/value? As with the Tigerwing set you can make either the G1 toy look or a toon accurate look. It requires a lil tightening of some spots. But its honestly a great lil set. Even with its issues I still recommend it.

[@mikeclarke3990]

Legacy Wildrider is $90 though...

[@Noizemaze4]

yup, legacy is pretty expensive now that ppl who missed out on EB Games pre-orders are rushing to get it >.>

[@nicolasbarretto-z6u]

The purple blue and red motormaster is g2 motormaster

[@khushidudy6293]

that 3rd party motormaster looks like the silver bolt mold

[@Ringking00]

the DNA design makes it better for legacy menasor

[@Jmaster-99]

if I recall, Baltmatrix never reviewed the torso for Fansproject Menasor for the mess it was and his dislike of it

[@professionallyunprofession5729]

Hasbros failing came first with the shit distribution

[@MakeItRainKaos]

Yo @ThatToyGuy how much do u think is a good after market US price for legacy motormaster? Like i see him for like $150 US on ebay but i dont know if im trynna spend that much on him 😭. I wasnt going to buy the stunticons but them i found breakdown and dragstrip and now i really want menasor but idk how much i should pay for him. Any thoughts?🤔

[@Noizemaze4]

I would say get him as soon as you can, unless you wanna wait for G2 repaint

[@RadimentriX]

botmode... yeah, the 3rd party dead end wins there... but alt mode? nah, not gonna beat that porsche :D i only got him because of that alt mode. and breakdown because he kinda looks like a countach

[@ThatToyGuy]

Legacy dead end's alt mode is very nice

[@sssentertainment]

I agree with so many points here, as it aligns with my own feelings about both sets of combiners. As for the unnecessary ratchets in Diesel/Petrol's (aka Motormaster) waist, I removed them, and couldn't be happier. I chucked that needless ratchet to the ends of the ocean. Why put a waist ratchet? That's as silly as putting a ratchet on a tank turret. :/

[@leftygurl]

“who did it better?” combiner wars. combiner wars did it better.

[@tfsomegaguy6203]

ew no way worse stability than fansproject

[@Noizemaze4]

xD

[@Alzeal07]

the fanstoys aesthetic is peak transformers look though

[@The_1ne_Prime]

You need to keep in mind youre comparing engineering that has almost 9 years in difference

[@transformnroll2752]

Ya came here to say that too. They are 2 different eras in every way. Plus the fansproject one is literally the first 3p combiner

[@Noizemaze4]

@@transformnroll2752 still legendary in it's own right and I'm proud to own it ~

[@transformnroll2752]

@Noizemaze4 not saying you should or shouldn't be proud. Tbh imo it's a treasure for the simple fact of it being the first 3p combiner.

[@ZurigaSungama]

"So much stuff is comin' out!"

[@raphaeldagamer]

I got the toyhax stickers for the 4 deluxe Stunticons, and they look beyond great.

[@Noizemaze4]

I'm just gonna get em for MM, the trailer, and the upgrade kit Dx the other ones are too much for me

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

Fansproject wins by default as a combiner in my book because the limbbots actually *are* the limbs and not just accessories Motormaster wears on his sleeves and shins.

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

I mean... the original menasor was designed this way as well. So to me they get points for cartoon acuracy.

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

​@@returnedtomonkey8886The G1 toy had the cars as actual limbs. Being accurate to the cartoon design isn't an automatic compliment when it's just a bad design.

[@gamorean4903]

Some people prefer the cartoon designs. A lot of the og toys suck

[@gavin1837]

​@@hyperdimensionbliss but the point of the newer toys is to be cartoon accurate but I do like the limb bots being more involved in the combiner but I think if they did that the limb bots robot mode would have been way worse in the end so I'm not that mad

[@eternaldragon2745]

Agreed. There’s also the fact that Fansproject looks *much* better. The aesthetics (and/or articulation) take priority over the handling for me, since it’s going to spend more time on my shelf than in my hands.

[@mysticfetus2062]

I had the 1st release of the fansproject menasor. I got so frustrated with it that I threw the whole thing in the garbage.

[@Noizemaze4]

haha xD

[@tavinprice2310]

I prefer the Hasbro one from every aspect.

[@crimsonkaiju7085]

It's a small detail, but I love how FansProject also decided to base the car modes on real cars. Their Dead End turns into a Ferrari FXX. Breakdown turns into a Lamborghini Reventon. Dragstrip turns into a Caparo T1, which is a F1 inspired, road legal race car. Lastly, Wildrider turns into what I think is supposed to be a Lamborghini Ankonian, an old concept car I stumbled across while trying to figure out what he might be.

[@Noizemaze4]

YES !!! People always forget to mention this when talking about the designs :D that's why they look sssssssssssssssssuper cool !!!

[@Tracks2008]

The G1 gang are based on real cars you twit. Motormaster is a black Kenworth K100 Aerodyne sleeper truck with a long silver trailer. Dead End is a maroon Porsche 928. Dragstrip is a six wheel Formula 1 race car. Wildrider is a dark grey Ferrari 308 GTB. Finally Breakdown is a white Lamborghini Countach just like Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.

[@TheFourteenthPrime]

You can plug the Fansproject Cars into the legs normally, you just have to pop out the trunk parts on both. It's how I have mine displayed. Really love the G2 colors too. I'm gonna get the Hasbro one in G2 colors and keep the OG Fansproject one for G1 colors.

[@ryandubeau5298]

Fan Hobbies gun looks cool

[@Noizemaze4]

Fans Project ~

[@Optimus7591]

Personally I like the look of fans project better than legacy because I feel he looks more menacing (pun kinda intended) but the qc is not worth it for being that much more, plus I have legacy mennasor and he’s perfect for me so I wouldn’t get the fp one anyways

[@d.r.dproductions6519]

I prefer combiner wars menasor

[@Wayisbig]

How has he made a video right as I was getting the Fansproject menasor

[@Noizemaze4]

bruh's been watchin ya ;)

[@theholo-library4020]

If you want a good IDW Menacor, buy the Transform Mission one, although that's Mp sized, not chug. And don't buy the metallic one, it's cheaper because it's plagued with issues.

[@Noizemaze4]

I see someone here is a person of culture based on their display icon ;)

[@theholo-library4020]

@@Noizemaze4 well yes kind sir 🧐

[@Tilespawn]

I actually have both so I have some authority on this, it looks like ThatToyGuy actually got a relatively bad QC copy of the fansproject one, all the joints on mine aren't as bad (thought the combine mode foot likes to come off sometimes) there's some things I would like to clear up: -The combine mode actually has TWO outwards shoulder joints -I personally have no problems with the car legs going on, must be QC or g2 version problems -He actually misstransformed the combiner legs, they actually do peg in securely when he mentions they're loose at 23:57 And another thing, I found if you actually bend out the panels slightly on their hinges, it's easier to attach the other half of the trailer in vehicle mode. And I'm surprised he didn't mention this but there is actually rubber (or atleast on the g1 colors version) on the bottom of the combine mode feet that helps him grip surfaces slightly better.

[@uainjansun]

I didnt know fansproject was still alive....tho i like the original colors better and the breakdown/wildrider molds are my fav better than legacy

[@Noizemaze4]

they aren't I think, they pewtered out back in 2018 or something, with another company finishing up the last piece (which was the G2 MM) that just came out recently @_@

[@uainjansun]

​@@Noizemaze4thanks for info man

[@Optimus_Prime_2007]

You can thank Sleepy Joe for that expensive cheese

[@Noizemaze4]

well he's in Canada, so that would be JUSTIN -flation ~

[@Optimus_Prime_2007]

@@Noizemaze4 infalstion can effect other places outside the US. With company’s needing more money for resources for their products(hence inflation) they must charge more for their products even in other countries such as Canada. I mean inflation is definitely happening their is no doubt about it. I mean even transformers have risen 5 to even 10 bucks more then what the were like 2 years ago.

[@Noizemaze4]

@@Optimus_Prime_2007 yeah it's sad :( I still remember my mom buying Energon figs for me when I was a kid, deluxes were like 22 ? And basics were 13 ish ? But yeah both Trudeau and Biden are to blame

[@pat1r1ck]

For combiners or any transformers toy, if you want to buy 3rd party i suggest you buy a figure from said 3rd party and feel the plastic quality (suggesting buy a figure you would like to own) gotta say, they don't feel like hasbro plastic. As a person who has 3rd party and hasbro, their feeling is different 3rd party plastic is decently sturdy but the feeling is closer to touching a gunpla but hasbro feels so different that it's hard to describe. The 3rd party almost feel like the generations toyline except doesn't feel as sturdy

[@no-rm9wg]

Im a big apologist for early 3p stuff, and fansproject has a place in my heart, but this combiner set has always looked like a mess to me, im the same as you, i really dig the aesthetic, but to me the legacy figure blows it out of the water in terms of quality and play value, my one big issue with legacy is the dumb shin doors, i hope a 3p releases replacement shins or something, but even with that it just has such a better value Also i didnt notice till seeing them side by side here but man the fansproject one has some super goofy proportions in combined mode lol

[@tableofinsanity2735]

Fansproject has points for using the IDW Phase 1 Stunticons designs but are hand grenades like the RG Zeta gundam and original MG Unicorns while Legacy is using the standard G1 designs and is build like a brick house

[@innovia63]

I really love both sets and think they’re both awesome. Fansproject Motormaster is one of my favorite 3p figures ever and I prefer the combined mode of the Fansproject, but the Legacy versions are super chunky and solid and fun to play with. Be careful with Fansproject Breakdown’s gun when tabbing it into its vehicle mode storage. It’s the only piece of the Fansproject set I’ve had break on me during play since getting it.

[@arnavrao7514]

Nice to see that he takes help from the legendary transformer toy review guy, ' THE FREEKING GEEK HIMSELF' Emgo

[@Zneiero]

The Age of the Primes combiners will suck on terms of smaller sizes. Hasblo needs to save $$ 😂

[@BadAssXerx3]

I have an KO RotF Devastator and love it, the worst of them is Overload, his vehicle mode sucks but most of them look and feel really good and they have die cast pieces and all joints are screwed. I have a small G1 inspired Devy KO which is really good too

[@notsoalex]

Good review! Unfortunately, Hasbro never sent me a replacement for my yellowed Motormaster/Menasor, just a check that did not even refund me for tax, so that eternally put me off Legacy Menasor. Still, I agree that it is the better one here, especially when you consider price (even though I think the Hasbro one is still overpriced).

[@toddvergith9485]

I just ordered the last 2 for the Legacy set. I grew up on the G1 cartoon and I'm trying to collect the most G1 accurate figures I can find. Just got an amazing Optimus Prime yesterday. Can't wait to get Menasor together. I am also getting the upgrade kit for him.

[@micahh9351]

Be careful with the little tabs in the back of legacy dragstrips legs. They can break.

[@myang12003]

I only have legacy drag strip and breakdown, and I could never find the rest of the stunticons in target.

[@chrisalddin]

i am trying to get the hasbro one. and Brakedown Price is crazy now.. it's £59.99 on e-bay and £64.99 on a amazon marketplace listing. seeing as i picked up Titan Cybertron Metroplex. for £73.03 .. it crazy that i can pay £13.02 more and get a Titan Class.. when a Deluxe class cost £59.99.. ... that said i may have to just pay it.. also useing a colored G2 Dead End. for the arm.. i do plan to get G1 colored dead end. just only willing to pay about £30 for him

[@obasidianfury]

fansproyect is more like a statue but the hasbro one is more like a toy

[@Noizemaze4]

yas, that is the right observation. I keep my fp one on display while legacy one is near my desk for me to play with

[@ChakatStripedfur]

For me, the only thing Fans Project really comes out in the lead with is the combined mode aesthetic. I hate the fact that, for the Legacy Menasor, 95% of it is just Motormaster's trailer. And yes, I know, they had to do that in order to make it as G1-accurate as possible, since in the cartoon the 'limbs' just attached to already pre-existing legs and arms. It just looks a lot better to me to actually have them _form_ the limbs instead of merely attaching to them. That's why I liked Combiner Wars, the combiner limbs were actual _limbs,_ and not just 'attachments'. **EDIT** I posted this before I saw the whole video. The arms are the actual bots, while the legs are still made out of trailer parts and the cars just plug into them. So the Fans Project one only gets half credit and that, coupled with the price and the QC issues, make this a definite NOPE for me.

[@Twist0f8te408]

I love legacy menasor and the vehicle/robot modes look amazing . I wanted the 3rd party figure once upon a time , but legal is amazing and accurate . I hope hasbro has a superion and stunticons combiner in this mold style .

[@DragoonMS]

For me personally, lemme hang onto the ever-fading hope of completing the Combiner Wars Menasor (I really only need Dragstrip and Wildrider, plus the KOs of the PerfectEffect kits). Why? Check it: 1. Fansproject's "Intimidator" (IDW Menasor) is by far their worst product, period. Their "Saurus Ryu-oh" (Dinoking and the later Monstructor repaint) was better than this garbage. Worse yet, it's still the most expensive option (but Hasbro & Takara ain't too far behind). 2. Legacy ain't exactly cheap pickings, either. It's quite possibly cheaper than tryna get the Combiner Wars or Unite Warriors versions *if you don't have a modern mainline set of Stunticons at all*, and it should be cheaper to finish up if you're already at least two or three peeps in, but... 3. If you don't mind going a little bit smaller on robot and vehicle modes, you may be better off with either the BW or Tigerwing OSKOs of Magic Square's Menasor.

[@Nightbeat26]

I still have the FP OG release with the quarter mile upgrade set. They are better overall figures to Legacy but legacy wins the battle of ease of play.

[@Noizemaze4]

what's the quarter mile upgrade set again ? was it the one that makes them look more G1-ish ?

[@Nightbeat26]

@@Noizemaze4 yes, extra pair of wheels for dragstrip, filter for combined torso and other bits.

[@Noizemaze4]

@@Nightbeat26 oh wow, I thought that was canceled o: !!

[@lous2187]

You would be right about the 3rd party ones being on top gear because they're all real cars (maybe except the yellow one) the others are: Dragstrip: 2008 Caparo T1 (a UK supercar) Dead End: 2005 Ferrari FXX Breakdown: 2008 Lamborghini Reventon

[@memelord8769]

For me it was breakdown that was stuck on the leg, I just took a file to the pegs and now its fine

[@joelincz8314]

I got a G1 Menasor. Fan's one is to expensive for me and the legacy is not really combining it's dressing up Motormaster.... what I also don't like is the fake or cheat transforming. Ideally the toy should transfor similar to the cartoon. I understand this is not always realistic because the cartoon needs to look cool. But motor master should be either just the cabin (I think it should or it should be huge) or it should be including the trailer. Either way scaling is horrible because in the cartoon they didn't care about size.

[@cobalttyreal]

Great comparison,, though i think the third party should be docked a lot more points, the issues you were having in the vidoe make me think that one is just all around defective from the manufacturer. visually it does look pretty good though. I got the legacy one with the last part obtained in march of this year. not sure why they sold them with long breaks between each figure release. no regrets though. it came to about $180.00 retail before taxs.

[@thecartooncynic]

Legacy Wildrider was my pick for worst figure of 2022 that I’ve purchased.

[@Mordenheim]

The G2 Stunticons and the one-handed curse!

[@Noizemaze4]

xD

[@NemesisTomato]

I want to sell my FP Menasor, but my fingers hurt just watching this. Man, he was SO amazing when he came out, but wow, he did not age well. The remolding on the legs for the car connections is so weird!

[@zuttoaragi8349]

You keep saying you love the third party Menasor, but all you do is complain about it. That doesn't look like fun. Toys are supposed to be fun. You and I have VERY different preferences I've noticed. IMO, ratchet joints are supreme and should be used wherever possible, of course with appropriately strong/weak springs. I also don't like how so many 3P companies go for such greebly, busy designs. I much prefer simplicity and squares.