Have Flextail Messed Up? The Flextail Zero Pump!

In this video I take a look at the new Flextail Zero Pump and it didn't quite work out for me, but why?
NB. Since making this video, Flextail have confirmed the Zero pump will come with means of charging the device. Please see the pinned post in the comments section for their reply.
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[@WalkWithWallace]

👀 Please Read Before Commenting. I've got some stick for making this review, so I'd like to clarify a few things: 1) Flextail did not say this was a prototype, only the nozzle was subject to change. In fact all Flextail have done is swap out the battery for one with a charging port! 2) I fully charged the device before filming the review! 3) Flextail asked for an honest review, and that is what they got, I reviewed what was sent to me! On the day before the videos were meant to go live, Flextail advised they changed the battery. Hence why I had to quickly add an extra part to the review. I have no issues with Flextail, they reimbursed me for the additional charger I had to buy and I've always worked with them on the basis that my reviews are honest. I genuinely love the Tiny Pump X2 and that's the pump I'll continue to use! Cheers Robin

[@andrewkingdom]

I try to cut down on weight so use my lungs they are in good shape after 30 years of shouting at my kids😅

[@andrewkingdom]

But nice to see different gadgets I shown your video to my brother he’s considering getting one

[@WalkWithWallace]

Lungs does the trick to be honest and the whole mouldy debate. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I'm not sure that much mould grows tbh. Anyways they are cool wee gadgets. 😁

[@flextail_official]

Many thanks for sharing the ZERO PUMP!!! We included an energy pack on the ZERO PUMP page, a rechargeable battery with USB-C port will be included. So no extra battery charger is needed! Feel free to let us know if you have any test feedbacks, we are always open to the suggestions and make positive changes! 🙌

[@WalkWithWallace]

Thanks for the update, I've pinned this so people can see it comes with a USB-C charger. Cheers Robin

[@mikeryan569]

Will definitely buy now I know it comes with usb charging 👍

[@kelimaxxx]

is this compatible with 16340 or can only use RCR123A? and with that much space left in the battery with RCR123A, why not use 18350 battery for better capacity?

[@Jamcraver]

Just received my Zero Pump (Dec 6, 2023) and there is still no micro-USB socket to recharge the battery. Flextail did, handily (?), include a USB>micro USB cable, but there's no port on the device itself to plug it in to. I don't have a separate battery charger - and can't afford to buy one at the moment - so my unit is already useless. Exceptionally disappointed.

[@MastaSquidge]

​@@Jamcraver yeah. Their battery has a usb port built into it.

[@gswaile3425]

What!!! you didn't charge it before you used it??? Do you do this for a living??

[@WalkWithWallace]

Strange assumption, of course I charged it up beforehand.

[@jeremymanning2132]

Designed for those with 'all the gear, no idea'. Completely unnecessary item, takes 2 minutes to inflate a sleep mat by mouth or pump sack. I'm 66 years old and smoked 20 a day for 51 of those years, hiked and camped for 54 years and never once thought I wish I had a blower to inflate my sleep mat. Appreciate your good honest review though. 👍👍

[@WalkWithWallace]

Haha, cheers mate. Definitely a luxury item but I do like the lantern on the Tiny pump.

[@BOTG_Adventures]

And if u have asthma.?

[@jeremymanning2132]

@@BOTG_Adventures If someone can walk miles, up hill and down dale, with a backpack full of camping equipment, then surely they have enough strength in their lungs to inflate a sleeping pad? If not then maybe they should consider a different passtime.

[@THE-RIVER-RAT]

WELL DONE 👍👍 This is the first review of this pump I have watch without screening at the PC everyone who's reviewed this has skipped over the fact that you can't charge it while camping so it's bloody rubbish unless you buy and carry a big charger. However, after what you found out at the end this isn't the pump they're going to ship. Well even if they do add a USB in my opinion it's too little too late, and to tell the truth, when I clicked on your video I was all ready to leave a comment saying (yes but you cant charge it) Glad I watched your whole video first lol. Great information buddy The best and most honest review of this thing on YT 👍

[@WalkWithWallace]

Haha, cheers George. For me I have two choices, just don't review it or be honest. I chose the latter because there was so many other vids out there. Flextail will sort it out and probably learnt a lesson to send the final version out to youtubers as we can only review on what we've been given.

[@simoncee9011]

Thank you for that, Andy from Backpacking UK brushed over the battery side of it. So great to be informed by you. Good work.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Thanks Simon, appreciate the positive feedback. 👍🏼 😁

[@BryanHansel]

Just a note as someone who got a beta version as well: the Nitecore battery that they sent me with the demo unit was nearly out of charge when I got it. I needed to charge it completely before writing about the unit. I'm a little surprised that they didn't send a battery with a USB-C port and sent just a standard rechargable. On their purchasing page, they offer a battery with a USB recharging port.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Hey Bryan, I always fully charge a battery in a brand new gadget before using. That Exped mat does take some blowing up though. Flextail have been proactive in addressing this. I'll see what they send later.

[@nickname6747]

For a moment there I thought I could upgrade my Flextail v1 pump (without light). USB port is a dealbreaker and it needs to do inflations for me and my other half. I'll stick with my v1. Thanks for reviewing and uploading, Rob. 👍

[@WalkWithWallace]

Flextail assure me the final product will have the ability to be charged by USB-C. I can only test what I'm given though.

[@johnpowell9174]

I've a Thermarest Neoair Xlite and already have the inflation bag. It takes less than a minute to inflate. I don't find the work of inflating an issue, even after lots of miles and looks like electric pumps take longer than the bag to get the bed inflated. In the morning, it's easy to remove the last pockets of air by folding -maybe takes a couple of minutes to pack away and I guess is minimal extra work over using an electric pump. In addition, I use the inflation bag to keep my Xlite, pillow &c as protection in my bag. I also occasionally use the Xlite plus bag to make a comfy seat. So I don't plan to buy a Tiny or Zero anytime soon.

[@WalkWithWallace]

To be honest these pumps are definitely a luxury, I do like the lantern on the Tiny pump though. FWIW I also think pump sacks are not required for most mats either, good old lung power is fine. The mould thing is scaremongering.

[@jeffreyking3807]

Waiting for the final product. No charge port deal breaker. Thanks for the review. Please update when the final product comes out.

[@WalkWithWallace]

If I'm not off the Christmas card list and I get another one I'll test it pronto. 👍🏼

[@markalanshaw4950]

Hi Robin, There are some great products out there but a mat pump is a bit OTT isn't half the fun of camping is going red faced blowing up your camping mat after a long trek! Was thinking of you yesterday in the Pentlands when you were flashing your light at someone flashing at you from Arthur's seat, it turned out to be a lighthouse very funny! Since your recommendation of the Pentlands I have climbed over 50 hills often the same route repeated great fun! Mark.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers Mark. I like the orange pump but I know they're not everyone's cup of tea. Good to hear you're enjoying the Pentlands, the Ochils are my new local hills now I've moved across the pond to Fife. 😁

[@thelifeofbrian282]

Good honest review Robin 👍 sorry Flextail but i will stick with my original Tiny Pump thank you 👍 atb Brian 👍

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers mate and fair play. I'd agree!

[@OldBumOnABike]

I have the Flextail 1 and it has been great. It does my S2S Comfort plus xl heaps of times. The new one is ok for a couple of nights max...

[@WalkWithWallace]

4 at a push depending on the mat, but similar to you, the X2, I get a good few inflations plus lighting up my tent.

[@smujiodome]

Good honest review Robin. I got my wife Judith the wee orange one and it has served her well for inflating her sleep mat and her wild swimming tow float. Not to mention the light on her solo camping trips. Glad to see the company have responded to your feedback.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers Stew, good to hear Judith likes the orange pump. I think that one will he hard to beat. 🌬 😁

[@justjonoutdoors]

Did you bother to charge the battery fully before you started!?

[@WalkWithWallace]

I did mate, that's pretty standard.

[@justjonoutdoors]

@@WalkWithWallace Good. But that wasn’t clear in the video. (Or, if it was, I missed it entirely…) Way too many people take something out of the package and expect it to be at full charge…

[@nidfest]

Flextail said the pumps are out of stock, but you'll find nothing saying so on their site. Probably nothing till 2024! However, they are still selling product they don't have. Not very honest 🤮

[@WalkWithWallace]

I can't really comment on what's happening there, I'm sure they honour all orders though. 🤔

[@patricesiabdallah]

For me, the advantage of not having a charger plug on the pump is that it prevents dust or even water from entering and damaging the pump.

[@WalkWithWallace]

That's a fair point. The Tiny x2 does have a rubber lip to protect the port.

[@lazerusmfh]

It is pretty common knowledge to charge a battery before using it. Also, they mentioned to you that it was a prototype and You’re upset they made a change to improve the product? Seems like you rushed a review and gave it a poor score and didn’t retest after, which you probably should have done in my opinion

[@WalkWithWallace]

Firstly, I did fully charge the device before using and secondly I can only review the product I was given. Flextail did not make this clear it was a prototype, was only when myself and others fed back the shortcomings of the device. If anyone rushed it was Flextail, I was honest. 😉

[@hanwagu9967]

@@WalkWithWallace did they say it was tester and that it was still in crowd funding? They haven't pushed it out, but seems there has been some miscommunication on Flextail's part by not pointing out that these weren't even available yet except on crowdfuding. Others that reviewed noted it was in crowd funding stage, which implies that it is not prime time, or at least wasn't up to this month for mass production. Flextail obviously listened to the testers that it gave these things for free, since they include an option for recharg battery with usb c; however, even that is rather clumsy. I think they fixated too much on having a replaceable battery that they didn't go ahead to just seal the thing up with a reacharg battery with usb c port.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@hanwagu9967 the communication was pretty poor. We were never asked to be testers, Flextail wanted a review to go out on a certain day. I know some youtubers decided not to review it at all, others have glazed over the flaw. I decided to review what I received.

[@tom_olofsson]

It was a prototype. Prototypes are not finished products.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Absolutely and this should have been communicated to us.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Flicking through my emails just now, and there was no mention of "prototype", only the nozzle was to be finalised. I was asked for an honest review, and an honest review is what they got.

[@tom_olofsson]

@@WalkWithWallace Thanks for doing a great job. Honest reviews are rare.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@tom_olofsson 😎 👍🏼

[@mphunty]

Took the original tiny pump on a 15 day hike and had to charge it once. Looks like a backwards step to me, even with the USB-C chargeable battery you still need to remove the battery and no good for a multiday hike in my view. might be useful to get the bbq going though!🤣

[@WalkWithWallace]

Yeah, I've had a fair few uses out of the Tiny Pump X2 without needing to charge it and the lantern is super useful, the Zero Pump just doesn't do it for me.

[@cyphre]

Can't say I see the lack of port as a serious issue. It's using a pretty standard CR123 size battery, which you can just swap in a fresh one yourself, or use an RCR123 with the port on the side if you want something rechargeable on the go (which usually has less capacity as a result). Only disappointing part is that they didn't make an even beefier 18650 version.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Then you're having to buy extra batteries. It's okay for a night or two away but I'll stick with the Tiny Pump X2.

[@hanwagu9967]

the last thing you want to do is carry extra batteries or a separate battery charger, plus, even the latest version where you can plug usb c into the recharge battery, that is still a hassle since you have to remove the cap, take out the battery to charge. they could have achieved the same thing by having an internal battery with usb c port. I think they got fixated on making this have a replaceable battery.

[@BorderRambler]

Mmm think they messed up on this one Robin, I still have the original without the light and still going strong but I did get the one with the light for a back up. If this new one had a usbc charging port it will be a great little pump 👍

[@WalkWithWallace]

The lantern version is excellent, I don't bother with a vlog light now. We'll see what their solution is to the problem is. 🤔

[@themunrobagger]

Hi Robin, great video. I got the tiny 2 on your discount code. The one I ordered would not charge, but they did send me a replacement. Think they need a wee bit of quality control. 😊

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers mate, you'll occasionally get a duffer with gizmos but at least Flextail sorted you out with a replacement. This one just wasn't quite ready to hit the shops.

[@arcticradio]

Same here my Tiny pump 2x self destructed on first charge and smelled of burning! Possibility though of the cheap nasty usb cable supplied so I dared not to use these cheap cables on my replacement pump. My Tiny 2x has lasted fine on a 4 day hike so I won’t bother with this new pump.

[@AmblingMan]

seems like the work spent making a fancy box would have been better spent sending the usb battery, oh well, guess we'll wait and see. The battery will have been shipped part charged, so it should do more inflations than you found.. maybe. I use the tiny; 91g with a 1300mAh battery, will do over 2 weeks without a charge. Taking that battery specs can be a bit made up, it's really only the run time that counts, and as it stands it's a no from me. I did think the pump was slowing when you tested it, so maybe a repeat when flextail send you a full spec battery that's charged. I like the smaller size and weight, but not that much. I had a look for USB battery on the nitecore website, looks like an extra 1.3g for that (NL1665R) version, they also list the NL169 950mAh battery for an extra 2.2g, but without the USB.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Flextail have promised a USB-C charging port in the final version. So that's something. I gave it a full charge before my weekend away, I reckon that big winter mat takes a lot out of it, whereas I'd have got 3-4 inflations for my 3 season mat.

[@tentipiwildcamping]

Good looking pump, but no USB - C charging port WTF ? I know they said the production model will have a USB C port on the battery, another stupid idea. Big pass for me. Their designer needs firing.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Yeah, massive OG there as its got potential, it's nicely made and does work.

[@camperp195]

I have the original one with the built in light,i will stick with that as this has a few faults

[@WalkWithWallace]

If it's working well, seems pointless swapping out to save a few grams.

[@AScotsmanOutdoors]

I've always found the pump-sack to be a solid option (provided the mat comes with one) but have been eyeing up this behind all the recent hype. Im glad I watched this though because it's made me think twice. The Zero pump looks the part but i now think I'd go with the Tiny 2 instead. I too think the mould debate is a bit weak and if you use a pump during winter conditions then it will be putting moisture into the mat regardless. Again, a good watch and more food for thought.

[@WalkWithWallace]

The Tiny X2 is excellent, lights up the tent nicely as a lantern and inflates your mat several times between charges. The Zero just doesn't hit the spot for me. Pump sacks can be a faff in winter when you're confined to the tent, but yes if its damp outside then the pump is going to suck that into your mat. 🧐

[@ricker76er]

I don’t understand putting in moisture with the pump. The air is pretty dry in the winter. I guess it depends on where you are in the world.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@ricker76er I'm in Scotland, we get wet and miserable winters. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@ricker76er]

@@WalkWithWallace that makes sense. Where I am in the states, the air is as dry as can be in the winter. Relative humidity is in the teens or low 20s percentage. My big Agnes came with a pump sac. I’ve just used that. Even if it’s a crappy pump sac. But if I didn’t have one I would look into a flextail considering manufacturers tend to charge about as much for a pump sac as the flextail costs.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@ricker76er yeah I've got the similar pump sack for the Exped SynMat. It's a bit of faff but works. The material feels a bit flimsy though

[@streiklauzis87]

Imagine all that ultra hard hassle to blow a pad with a pump sack. It' s the hardest part of backpacking.

[@WalkWithWallace]

😂😂

[@lifesahobby]

Can you do a sandy beach test please with the older one you dont love anymore .. One thing i never see in these vids is how everyone ends up topping up the matt with their mouth . I loved your stop watch on screen btw .. Isnt it cool though that some manufacturers send out kit to people .

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers mate. I'm the opposite, I usually wake up with a sore shoulder as I've over inflated and need to let a little air out. The timer is a cool feature in the software. I don't live nearly as near to a beach as I used to, but I'll take that on board for future pump reviews.

[@lifesahobby]

@@WalkWithWallace I just recall a recent camp , high winds sand everywhere and the use of a pump might well have led to unfortunate ending for a pump . I'm so old I use two Matt's fully inflated and three emergency foils under my tent . If you have never tried the foil sheets I would highly recommend. ..

[@BrokenBackMountains]

I've never needed to top up by mouth. Having ruined a mat about 10 years ago by blowing it up by mouth, I keep damp air away.

[@MopH3ad]

Got mine two days ago the battery has a usb type c on it

[@WalkWithWallace]

Yeah they changed it after realising their faux pas.

[@BrokenBackMountains]

My original ( one with no torch) did 2 mats every day for 5 days with charge to spare. I'm still using it. I dont know if this is an improvement as my wife and I have mats with different inputs so need different attachments.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Apparently it comes with 6 different nozzles to fit a multitude of different mats. If they've addressed the charge issue, it's a good pump. I still prefer the light that gets several inflations too.

[@BrokenBackMountains]

@@WalkWithWallace That is handy. I do like the way the nozzle fits like a sleeve and I don't need a light. However as my original still works there is no need to change.

[@william_robertson]

Nice honest review Robin ...

[@WalkWithWallace]

Gotta be honest, I'm interested to see what they've done to fix the issue.

[@0T13]

Hi mate. I have noticed they now sell this with a usb c rechargeable battery included

[@WalkWithWallace]

They do now mate, Flextail have kindly sent me a replacement too.

[@benjaminzac_Man_Wi_A_Tan]

Great review, as always. I don't see the point of making this smaller pump. Flextail already have a decent and flexible pump in the X2. Not quite sure where it can be seen as an evolutionary jump either. 🤔

[@WalkWithWallace]

If it has the all important USB-C port to charge the device then it will appeal to some people. As it stands I can't see past the Tiny Pump X2.

[@lostdog2486]

A good honest review, I have been looking at these for a while and thought recently that they have maybe missed the opportunity of providing an adapter for all of their models that works as a whistle for emergencies, does this sound like a good idea to you???

[@WalkWithWallace]

Cheers mate. 😎 👍🏼 With regards to the whistle, in an emergency it's probably the last thing I'd think about digging out but it wouldn't be difficult to add to this particular pump.

[@lostdog2486]

Surely though if it was capable of helping you in an emergency you would make sure that you had quick access to it, no?@@WalkWithWallace

[@WalkWithWallace]

It's an electronic device, so you wouldn't want it to get wet. In bad weather. Better with a regular whistle. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Jamcraver]

Just received my Zero Pump (Dec 6, 2023) and there is still no micro-USB socket to recharge trhe battery. They did, handily (?), include a USB>micro USB cable, but there's no port on the device itself to plug it in to. It takes some kind of logic to go to the expense of adding a useless accessory. I don't have a separate battery charger - and can't afford to buy one at the moment - so my unit is already useless. Exceptionally disappointed.

[@WalkWithWallace]

That's bonkers, since my review I thought they addressed this by including different batteries that had a charge port?

[@WalkWithWallace]

Send it back for a full refund.

[@Jamcraver]

@@WalkWithWallace @MastaSquidge pointed it out to me - the charge port is on the actual battery but isn't mentioned on the instruction leaflet (in fact there's nothing at all about recharging it on the leraflet) or on the packaging. If not for MastaSquidge, I wouldn't have seen this, as it's something I've never come across before. Anyone have any feedback on batteries with a built-in charge port? Safety implications? Print on the battery (set in something like 2pt) warns not to expose the battery to water or to keep it in a confined space… couldn't get much more confined than in the Zero Pump itself!

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@Jamcraver I think they had to change everything quickly, as several youtubers including myself pointed out the obvious flaw. Glorified testers we were. 😂 You can buy these type of batteries on Amazon, they should be safe. Is it Nitecore?

[@MopH3ad]

Charge port is on the battery it's self

[@patriceb26]

Bonjour is it a good item ?

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@patriceb26 bonjour, turns out this one was faulty and the replacement is decent, so yes it is a good item.

[@patriceb26]

Ok merci 👍

[@aBluegrassPicker]

Thanks! very interested, but will wait for additional features. Price of batteries is a deal breaker. Separate charger defeats the small size advantage.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Tend to agree. Okay for a night or two away.

[@BOTG_Adventures]

How do u charge it?

[@WalkWithWallace]

Flextail realised the flaw, and the pump now comes with a battery with a USB-C port and cable.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

Your description is misleading. The pump doesn't have a USB-C port, it operates on a removable CR123A battery, and it is possible to get CR123A batteries with a USB-C port. You have the option of buying the pump with no battery, with a regular rechargeable CR123A battery and charger, with a USB-C rechargeable CR123A battery or a regular non rechargeable CR123A battery.

[@WalkWithWallace]

I reviewed what I was sent mate, that's all I can go on. Why should people have to buy another battery with a USB-C port?

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

@@WalkWithWallace I'm not talking about what you reviewed, I'm talking about your update. Flextail haven't modified the design to add a USB-C port, they've added a package option that includes a USB rechargeable battery. Sorry for the confusion. The review was great.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 ah right, apologies. Their email was a bit vague.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@BurfieldPhoto1 I've tweaked the description. 👍🏼

[@mikeknight7040]

The clue would have been it’s a prototype which you stated at the beginning

[@WalkWithWallace]

Flextail made it clear the nozzle was a prototype but not the actual pump itself.

[@mediasubway]

Lungs are pretty lightweight. No battery or charger required.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Fair point. 🌬

[@praktika1082]

Flextail are trying a colab with Nitecore, getting consumers to tune into the expanded lineup from that company. Nitecore has decent torches and has moved big time into rechargeable batteries. Worth asking them if they're doing this and what their long-term vision might be.

[@WalkWithWallace]

That would make sense. I like Nitecore headtorches, I've got the NU25. Excellent for the size.

[@praktika1082]

A question you might ask Flextail about this specific product: Since the rechargeable battery is removable, would consumers be able to use different capacity batteries in the pump? The battery they've sent you is 650mAh? Nitecore had 5000mAh batteries in the market. Would those be compatible with this pump? Imagine carrying one of these pumps with 2 batteries rated at 5000mAh, each one the size of an AA battery, and the pump can also charge your phone ... that'll be a game changer.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@praktika1082 could you pack 5000 mAh into a small battery that would fit in the pump? I'm not sure you could. The solution might be a Nirecore battery with a built in USB-C port. I believe you can buy them.

[@praktika1082]

@@WalkWithWallace that's just it ... Nitecore/Sysmax already has a 5000mAh battery the size of a regular AA battery. I think this particular Flextail pump might be too small for that size battery, which is why they sent you the 650mAh battery, BUT if they engineer a pump that would fit AA size batteries, and that pump has a USB port that allow you to plug in your phone cable, what would we as hikers do? I'd buy that pump and 4 of those 5000mAh batteries and get rid of the power bank I now carry.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Yeah the current pump isn't long enough to house an AA battery but definitely think you're onto something there.

[@Kev_Russ]

Guid wee review bud. Cheers for ma yin. Even tho it isnae flextail eh. Or is it? 😂 Nice fur the company tae reply tae this eh.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Aye that one is Flextail annaw. Possibly the Max Pump 2020 I gave you? 🤔

[@Kev_Russ]

@@WalkWithWallace mibzelikesay

[@FraserChapman]

The fundamental flaw, to my mind, is in general you can already easily fill any inflatable mat using any plastic bag, stuff sack, etc. For ultralight/minimalists perspective it really doesn't make any kind of sense at all...the pump is heavier than my actual sleeping mat!

[@WalkWithWallace]

I know some people go with good old fashioned lung power. I find pump sacks a bit of a faff, particularly if it's raining and you need to do inside. If Flextail deliver the ability to charge this device without the third party charger then at 60g. It's pretty light. My snozzle bag is 80g.

[@GusExplores]

I gave up on my tiny pump V1 (with light) I found it really annoying how the adapter for my xped kept falling off of it. As it has the light though I think the idea is fantastic. I have just upgraded to the V2 but not had a chance to get out with it yet. I would not bother with this if I need to keep weight down, I use my schnozzel sack as I dont bother with a lantern, just a head torch. Ok the schnozzel sack does not way nothing but my sleeping bag, xped and clean clothes are all staying dry inside it, if they were not they would probably be in a dry bag anyway. The battery on this new pump would need to last longer in my opinion too, I would worry that the cold would drain it faster etc. Excellent review Robin it's great hearing an honest opinion and not just someone saying what they think a brand wants them to say to get more freebies.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@GusExplores cheers Gus, the pump attachments on my original pump kept popping off too, really fiddly. They improved that greatly with the Tiny Pump X2 which is an excellent device, love the light and it means I don't have to carry my vlog light.

[@AyrshireAlps]

I'm a sac user too, but where these win is deflation, the sac won't do that, we all end up rolling about like a Celtic striker on top of our mats to get them back in their wee sac.

[@MastaSquidge]

It doesn't need to make sense to everyone. It does save a lot of time and effort however and even with the pump I think I'll be OK with my 12 lb base weight.

[@Gibstan]

Is that maniac mansion music!??

[@WalkWithWallace]

Lol, no just stock music I picked up from somewhere.

[@zillsburyy1]

how long dos the battery last?

[@WalkWithWallace]

Depends on the mat, but 3-4 inflations for a 3 season mat I reckon given the performance in this review.

[@dougieranger]

I assume they sent you that as a beta test version Robin? Or didn’t they declare that? Regardless, I’ll stick with my orange one, whatever it’s called.

[@WalkWithWallace]

They didn't make that clear at the time of sending the device, it wasn't until myself and other YTers started pointing out the flaw, they went back to the drawing boards. I'm sticking with the orange one too. 😆

[@dougieranger]

@@WalkWithWallace Sounds like they’ve turned you into unwitting beta testers. Aye, the orange one is a great product, it’s very useful for me being asthmatic. Take care mate. 👍🏼

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@dougieranger it's backfired if so, they should have asked us to be testers first. 🤔 You too bud, take it easy. 👍🏼

[@dougieranger]

@@WalkWithWallace👍🏼

[@alexwbanks70]

Yeah Flextail has pushed this too much. Everyone is reviewing it showing the major flaws. Well not everyone is honest though!

[@WalkWithWallace]

Yeah this one has fell short a bit. USB-C charging port and it would have been decent.

[@hanwagu9967]

well, they pushed it out for people to test out, and responsible product testers that get this thing for free do post that it is still in crowd funding stage with mass prod this month for delivery november. the chief complaint has been the battery charging, so flextail adjusted to include an option to get a recharg battery with usb c port.

[@25oknid]

Flextail company has crappy products...when i remember their zero mattres which i bought, first they sent to me preproduction version whose glue came off, and second time they sent me one with broken valve...after that when i see flexatil logo...🤢🤢

[@WalkWithWallace]

To be fair, I like their previous pumps particularly the Tiny X2. The dury is still out on the Tiny Repel.

[@25oknid]

@@WalkWithWallace in this world of very comepetetive products there is no place for mistake, and im little bit disapointed about company "i dont care much politics" - cca 60% buyers are satisfied, for other 40% buyers who are not satisfied, we will send you same lousy product for compensation. And the most important thing in the end of the day is that we have profit. If you want to be best in the branch and if you have resources you have to deliver high end quality products as they had some.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@25oknid totally get that, they need to go back to the drawing boards with the Zero Pump because it's got potential.

[@25oknid]

@@WalkWithWallace i agree with you completely ✌️

[@chrisf5475]

Nice click bait haha… still a good video though 😂

[@WalkWithWallace]

Haha, never been accused of clickbait before. 🤣 It all went a bit weird, we basically became testers without knowing.

[@chrisf5475]

@@WalkWithWallace I’ve seen some of these rechargeables with the usb c port actually on the battery. Personally don’t like the idea and prefer a battery charger than having a bunch of batteries with cables in a mess… but I can see the reasons behind it with such a small and lightweight pump.

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@chrisf5475 I've got an Olite keyring torch, you unscrew the top and it reveals a micro USB charge port. They could have implemented something like that with the Zero Pump, I suppose the trade off might have been a reduced battery capacity. I'm sticking with the Tiny Pump X2, Flextail got everything right with that pump.

[@chrisf5475]

@@WalkWithWallace my x2 should be here in a few days… held off for years but caved finally

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@chrisf5475 did you get the light fuser attachment? Makes for a nice tent lantern.

[@snowywelsh]

Good review, but I was wondering if you could help me with something I've been trying to research. I have an Exped Downlite 5, I have always found this mat to be extremely difficult to deflate sufficiently to put back in its stuff sack. I am very interested in the ability to use small electric pumps like this to rapidly and easily deflate my Exped mat, however, the Exped has actual down inside the mat. I am worried about sucking the feathers up into the mechanism of the pump. I can't find any information or anyone with experience of this to help me. Do you know if this is safe to do, have you tried it? I'd appreciate any help you can give me.

[@WalkWithWallace]

Hey Snowy, you’ve raised a valid concern. I need to poke synthetic insulation back in on my regular Exped which can be annoying plus the rubber tongue to prevent air escaping prevents the suction from the pump taking any air out. So I’m not sure the device would help.

[@snowywelsh]

Thanks, much appreciated.

[@weerobot]

Wow So Small..just bring Batteries..lol

[@WalkWithWallace]

Tiny Pump X2 is where its at. 😁 👍🏼

[@Man-go-Everywhere]

Another bloody thing to charge

[@WalkWithWallace]

Gets a bit like that. ⚡️

[@mechellemulligan]

I think i must be the only person with a flextail pump that doesn't have a light on it. It must be prehistoric as its a pump only but i can use it over and over without having to charge it and had it out in the freezing cold too. I think its about 2 or 3 years old but wouldn't be without it now 🏕

[@WalkWithWallace]

If the original one still works, why replace it eh. Unless you want the light. 😉

[@mechellemulligan]

@WalkWithWallace haha nah I've never bothered about the light. Only gripe is the attachments are a bit loose but can't complain the use it gets and has had. Hope I've not jinxed it 😂

[@WalkWithWallace]

Agree about the attachments being loose, they did address that in later models tbf. Get the light for vlogging in your tent. 😜

[@mechellemulligan]

@WalkWithWallace haha I've not filmed anything for ages. My account got hacked so managed to get back into this one ages ago. Spike must have the newer one as his fittings are a bit tighter although his doesn't get half as much use as mine😁

[@WalkWithWallace]

@@mechellemulligan ah bummer I did wonder why I haven't seen anything pop up for a while.