Hawker Typhoon and Tempest Collaboration Part 2

[@mikenelson8786]

Great to see that the rare commodity of common sense is being applied, work together to achieve. Fantastic.

[@billbonnington7916]

Great to see Tempest 2 PR533 has taken to the air again, first Tempest in over 50 years in the air - saw her static at Duxford a few weeks ago. Hopefully this is a good motivation to keep on with these two fabulous projects. Cannot wait to hear the Napier Sabre cough into life...

[@ModshackMerlin]

It's actually Tempest II MW763, painted up as PR533.

[@waynes8290]

So good to see organisations working together for the common good. Well done to both. 👍👍

[@davegreenwood1663]

The amount of dedication you guys show in rebuilding these planes is amazing .

[@LP334872]

Amazing what you two are doing. Sat at a table for many meals with an typhoon pilot from 609. A true legand. Emile RIP my hero.

[@johndavey72]

Hello lan and thankyou D'arcy. Well it really does take two to tango ! As D'arcy is well aware of there will be film critics who will not approve the P&W but you only have to see how many Centaurus powered Tempests we've lost over the years . At least 4 in the F.A.A at Yeovilton alone . Thankyou both ........take 3 !!

[@colinmartin2921]

There are Sea Furies being lost with P+W engines too, engine failure was common in old aircraft - in WWII there was twice as many aircraft lost to accidents as to enemy action. Today flying aircraft are subject to much more stringent safety checks and this generally keeps them safe.

[@Ray72-sun]

It’s amazing to see history in the making!

[@parrotraiser6541]

I hope your projects are involving as many student engineers as possible. Hands-on experience for them with real machines is vital. Mechanical engineers who don't know what a wrench feels like are as big a menace as architects who haven't hefted a brick.

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

I can only speak for Typhoon Legacy when I say that it is a wonderful idea, however it is very difficult with limited manpower. When you add training to the mix it has great potential to slow progress. There are also some limitations that would cause issue for the apprentices, their training needs to be done on type certified aircraft and I am not sure a limited category special C of A would count towards any of their training tasks. ~Ian

[@colinmartin2921]

PR533 looks magnificent, let's hope some more can get into the air soon.

[@Daniel-S1]

Thanks from England.

[@geoffgoldsmith7607]

Great work gentlemen. You’re legends and we applaud you for the work you’ve done on these amazing projects.

[@robertlangham9028]

Great update Ian. This sort of background work is so vital to these types of project. It's good to see two parties demonstrate how effective collaboration can be.

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

Very true, thank you Robert! ~Ian

[@billbrisson]

looking forward to the day when both are sitting on the ramp together!

[@flypawels]

Can't wait to see them flying!

[@bazwabat1]

Didnt miss part two! Had to smile seeing that Centarus sleeve as If I go into my garage I have a Hercules sleeve sitting on my bench! Chap by the name of Alistair Marshall rebuilt a Bristol Hercules from a Bristol Freighter to running condition. There was even a Canadian connection: pretty much all the sleeves, cylinders and pistons were stuffed. The company in Canada which operated a few ex-RNZAF Bristol Freighters (and an ex-SAFE Air one too) still had a whole heap of Hercules spares and they donated them to Al for his engine. There were NOS sleeves, pistons and cylinders and lots of other goodies too. Funnily enough his engine is back on a Bristol freighter (ZK-CPT) which is capable of running and taxying. It had an issue with the starboard engine os Al volunteered to transplant his one. Plan is to get another engine running to replace it one day.........although working on getting a Mosquito running again after 50 odd years (plus 70 years or so in storage) has taken him away from Bristol duties! Certainly have Canada on my list of places to visit and definitley hope to visit the KF Aerospace Centre for Excellence and you Ian!

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

I'd love to find a similar lot of Sabre spares! ~Ian

[@bazwabat1]

@@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd you'd think something might have survived but I suppose unlike Bristol the Napier Sabre engine didn't carry on into civilian life.

[@bigmac60]

Great to hear

[@aaronsosnoski1017]

Absolutely cannot wait to hear the Sabre scream.

[@peterwright217]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@nerd1000ify]

A question that would be nice to answer: How did Bristol/Napier cut the ports in the sleeves? They're quite abstract shapes, not something easily made with a standard milling machine. Did they possibly have some kind of cam-controlled machine for cutting them, were they cast into the sleeve and left unmachined, was some other method used?

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

My best guess is a tracer attachment of some sort; they were not cast into the blanks. ~Ian

[@52templar]

I wish to know if the engine on the tempest and typhoon in the imperial museum in Hendon are complete Napier Saber ? If yes,i think that these engines should be donated to yous guys who plans to have theses planes flyable.

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

They do have their engines, and while it would be amazing to have them donated, there needs to be some complete original examples preserved too. ~Ian

[@WrightCycloneR1820]

The RAFM Typhoon is hollow from the firewall forward, the cowls and intake housing were made in the 60s to replace the missing originals and the prop is a mixture of Avro Shackleton and Blackburn Beverley parts. The engine was removed during wartime, and is probably the same engine now in the Smithsonian collection. MN235 went straight from the factory to the US, was test flown there for a short time and then the engine went off to become a training aid.

[@ModshackMerlin]

I believe that the Sabre engine that Ian Slater has now is the training engine that was at Duxford, it has never flown as far as I am aware. It's as close to brand new as you are ever going to get.

[@ianallan8005]

It’s not a Saber. It’s a Sabre. Darned illiterate colonials

[@PNH750]

Changing the engine to one with a different propeller rotation direction generally causes issues with take-off and landing. A good example of this happening was when the Rolls Royce Griffin first appeared in the Spitfire. Has this been considered with PR533?

[@simonpayne8252]

Ian.. have you seen that Kernit is back working on the Tempest V with Mr Grace ?

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

Sure have, it is great news!

[@simonpayne8252]

@@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd Oustanding! Is there any collaboration with these guys? For example there are 3 projects that will need a running Sabre engine. Looks like Kernit has a mk VA there so makes sense for them use the engine with the highest mod state. Would be cool to see a Kermie cam with you discussing Typhoons and Sabres. Take a flight down to Polk City 😂

[@ModshackMerlin]

Guys, I really get where you are coming from. 'Guy Martin's Spitfire' (N3200) is essentially the same thing, more of a tribute than a replica.Are either of you talking to the Duxford site that has Tempest II MW763, that has flown recently? Are you in contact with Kermit Weeks, who also has Tempest II?

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

It's a small world, there is good communication between all of these groups. ~Ian

[@darcybarker5224]

We sure do! Good folks they are. None of us do this alone.

[@Blairgowrie_Forest_Railway]

You've been very quiet for a while. Are you still progressing with the Typhoon?

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

Oh yes, lots of progress! I've been away from filming for a while, but we are getting back at it now. If you would like to see the progress over the past few months please head over to our website, the Blog and Gallery are full of updates. www.typhoonlegacy.com

[@garryveale2153]

Any progress?

[@TyphoonLegacyCoLtd]

Massive progress, please head over to our website and check out the Blog and the Gallery. www.typhoonlegacy.com

[@daveschwi3767]

Adding the C series Pratt and Whitney instead of the Centaurus is a really good decision. Nothing against the Centaurus but there isn't the knowledgeable support and maintenance available for it, as there is for the P&W. Just ask the Sanders crew about their Sea Fury efforts....

[@noonehere1793]

There are 2 things i hope to experience before i die, the first is to see the MAAM P 61 blackwidow fly and the other is to hear a napier sabre engine run 😀👍👍

[@WrightCycloneR1820]

The only thing that bothers me about the 2800 engine choice is the way that KF feel like they have to somehow apologize for it, honestly they shouldn't have to worry about this stuff. Even the more developed Centaurus that went into the SeaFury have a reputation for being a bag of trouble, it's amazing that the Duxford Tempest has the original early engine, I hope they have deep pockets! 2800 makes so much sense, especially in N America.

[@darcybarker5224]

Thank you! I suppose we sound apologetic as it is the Canadian way!

[@harley909]

Reliability is the double edged sword of warbirds. You’re essentially pulling the pin on a hand grenade every time you hit the starter on an 80 year old engine. Parts availability and overall failure rate will, or should always be factored in to engine options. Most don’t understand that, especially when dealing with exotic British and German engines.

[@rorymorris6875]

You are correct. These aircraft and engines were built to do the job that was needed when it was needed. There life span was inevitably short. Long term use was never a factor. In the design.

[@coolcol06]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHavgIKom8mgoM0 - the UK one