10 More DLC Lore Discoveries That Change Everything (Shadow of the Erdtree) | Elden Ring

The Lore of Elden Ring has had huge changes with the release of the DLC: The Shadow of the Erdtree! It will take effort, time, and lots of lore hunters to piece it all together. So, to continue we thought we'd go over some more of the new revelations that stand out to us as the most important! This is just the beginning, so let us know any cool things you've found during your journey through the Lands of Shadow! This video includes Messmer, the Putrescent Knight, Miquella, Radahn, Mohg, Marika, Placidusax, Boyle, Renalla and more!
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[@Hawkshaw]

What has been your favourite insight? The horse skeleton of the Putrescent Knight is definitely one of our favourites!

[@telerobotic]

The horse skeleton riding its own flesh is metal af

[@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

That the guidance of the fingees is very outdated indeed. And such Marika seems to still be on the chopping block.

[@malbhet]

I have a great theory about Melina, the gloam eyed queen, and the godskin. I believe the godskin are searching for the soul of Gloam eyed queen (Melina) within the lands between. The reason the gloam eyed queen isn't a part of the dlc is because she is traveling around with the player throughout the campaign. I seriously hope this isn't the only dlc, or at least the only game, because Radahn, being the final boss of the dlc, is just a really terrible retcon of what was already established with Godwyn's backstory and connection to Miquella. Seriously the way Fromsoft introduced and built up Godwyn, those who live in death, but didn't do anything with it at all in the dlc other than a few death knight mini bosses is the absolute worst choice in game development Fromsoft has ever made, it's like they just phoned it in when it came to concluding the choice on who would be the final dlc boss. We all know damn well Godwyn should have been resurrected by Miquella as some sort of lord of Death. I seriously hope there is more dlc in the future that tidy up a few unanswered questions like... 1.The 3rd sister of Renalla and Relana 2.The gloam eyed queen 3.Malenia's final bloom form 4.Godwyn 5.The formless mother or blood star 6.the dragon god 7.the twin bird of death 8.Why the Rune of death is required from a gameplay perspective. They introduced so much in the base game and did absolutely nothing with the majority of it, and it's making me irritated. I understand this is how they make their games, but not every single game they make have to be cryptic speculations with everything, they could at least flesh out more of the lore and background of many of the concepts they introduced in the base game, if not then what was even tge point of introducing them to begin with. It similar to how they introduced Velka in the Dark Sould trilogy and did nothing with that character throughout the series other than pointless vague references. Seriously, Radahn, being the final boss of the dlc, is a complete letdown.

[@ITBEurgava]

Hornsent folks, having a rather similar look to the omens?

[@armandaneshjoo]

Gloam-eyed knight

[@moaicheese]

turns out the mohglester was the miquellested

[@armandaneshjoo]

He was never a mohglester.

[@armandaneshjoo]

@@Chicanery_Artifice Remember the bewitching branch item description? He was bewithced. Remember what Malenia said? "He is the most fearsome empyrean"

[@daruddock]

I'm so glad I got to see this joke recycled for the millionth time.

[@DrNeonGaming]

He was a victim of Miquella the Tickla

[@Zenbon111]

Weirdo

[@darkwraith9548]

Mad we didn’t get to see Velka in the DLC 😡😡

[@VictorIV0310]

Gloam Eyed Queen has become Elden Ring’s Velka LMAOOO

[@greasysox]

@@VictorIV0310she really has, I was so sure that either the gloam eyed queen or a resurrected godwynn would be in the dlc

[@dbfzato-1327]

Same bro, what that about the eclipse now lol.... melina as well ​@greasysox

[@greasysox]

@@dbfzato-1327 right they said there won’t be an elden ring two or more dlc but now I really want them to do another expansion so we can have those questions answered

[@gustavonomegrande]

​@@dbfzato-1327we got a confirmation that Melina is Messmer's sister from his remembrance, but I'm still mad that she doesn't go with us to the shadow realm.

[@FiveTiger]

2:40 note how Loretta's arena is surrounded by chairs, and Rellana's turns into a grace called "Ensis moongazing grounds". It makes me think that rather than studying the moon directly, the Carians view it through a reflective surface. If I remember right, Tarnished Archaeologist mentioned in his Bloodborne video on the School of Mensis that pools of liquid served in the real world as simple early lenses. Couple that with the fact bodies of still water are associated with death and the travel through different planes and it makes me think that the true nature of the moon can only be understood by looking through a portal to another world, or something like that. Like in Ranni's ending.

[@corvuscorax8459]

Great point. Wouldn't the reflection be an flipped image of the moon, too? Plus, there is starlight shard on the altar at Loretta's arena. I think that lends even more credence to those grounds being a type of celestial viewing glass (water) of some sort. Tidal forces are also impacted by the moon (at least on earth), so the water is certainly important within these sites.

[@thegodofsoapkekcario1970]

It definitely is a sky reflection, since that’s how astrologers in real life saw the night sky, not by looking up but by seeing the reflection on the ground.

[@corvuscorax8459]

@@thegodofsoapkekcario1970 exactly. I’m really loving this connection. Small details like this are what makes these fromsoft worlds feel so special.

[@kevinvolchok14]

In bloodborne, bodies of water are highly associated with higher beings too. There were memes/theories about Ranni's ending being the start of bloodborne's universe, I don't know if it's the case, but that's interesting to think about it and cool to consider, even if it's not the case

[@kevinvolchok14]

Here, the description of the Lake rune from Bloodborne states: "Great volumes of water serve as a bulwark guarding sleep, and an augur of the eldritch Truth. Overcome this hindrance, and seek what is yours." I know it's not the case with rellana, not being great volumes of water, but cool nonetheless

[@Amferam]

@2:40 the Aztecs would use pools of water to study the stars. They would use the stationary pools reflection to map the stars cycles instead of having errors in where they where standing and not having to look up constantly.

[@griffiththechad9483]

God, Humans are so smart

[@TrippyTimesTwo]

Rellana’s arena is called the Ensis Moongazing grounds, same as Loretta’s Carian Moongazing grounds. Based off of the seats in the latter, with your additional info, it makes sense that Carian’s would sit around the still pool and watch the moons and stars.

[@K.S.24]

I think that's so cool!

[@briankay3146]

The putrescent knight seems very albinauric like. It has a silvery appearance and the horses back legs are dissolved.

[@greasysox]

It also seems like albinaurics are maybe a lot older than we originally thought because if you look at the side of the coffin you jump off into the arena you’ll see the side is broken and some of the goop leaking out. I think that might imply that’s where the putrescent knight came from

[@kimashitawa8113]

There have been hints found about this connection Like with the arrows that use Albinauric Clot and those in the dlc using Putrescence They have like the same function and their description uses the same wording when explaining it for both

[@Grimsly3736]

This would also explain why it’s weapon scales with Arcane just like the Albinauric Staff but the spell it uses still goes by the normal Faith / Int like the other death sorceries

[@Grimsly3736]

Back with some more thoughts, the Knight’s fighting style isn’t to far off of 2nd gen Albinaurics how it circles you and even has a spin move it charges you with like them (also it make more sense why the Gen2s with the ripple blade have that frost attack) also since this is a Miquella creation the Knight’s Horse was probably like are Torrent once a spirit steed, also the Big Gen2s in Mohg’s literally summon the giant death beam skeletons

[@_hank9508]

It's also very interesting that he is called Gloam Eyed in the game files.

[@Chrisbun1]

As a note for you, BonfireVN did a closeup on the Base Serpent recently. It has Messmer's hair, it has an eye in its mouth and multiple eyes all along its body. It's pretty weird.

[@InternetHydra]

Broke: We need more eyes on the inside, lets take other’s eyes for implantation to make it happen. Woke: My snake needs more eyes all over, let’s pluck out my own eye to make it happen.

[@historiabyssus]

As you once did for the vacuous Rom, Grant us eyes, grant us eyes

[@Diesalot-sc9qz]

What if Putrescent Knight is the skin and bone of Torrent, cast down the Fissure alongside St Trina by his master, Miquella. The form we ride is merely his spiritual form, like we see with Melina and Ranni

[@cool2314]

some one did some data mining and found out that the putrescent knight was called knight of the gloam eyed queen

[@armandaneshjoo]

Before that, it was called Torrent.

[@Grimsly3736]

Yeah it seems they wanted to actually do some GEQ / Godskin content early on but scrapped the idea and turned it into what got now, a Ghostflame related knight

[@mcsquared5005]

Not to be a buzz kill, It's actually called "gloam eyed knight". Not gloam eyed queen's knight. Still has potential to be linked, but it isn't that explicit.

[@The_Muncher2017]

@@mcsquared5005its not potential they literally have the same name they 100% were originally planned to be commected. They were both “gloom eyed”, when does elden ring give two people the same title/name and not have them connected

[@mcsquared5005]

@@The_Muncher2017 actually, I pointed out that the comment is incorrect. It is not called 'knight of the gloam eyed queen' as the comment stated. It is referred to in the code as gloam eyed knight. That's what I'm correcting. It is not explicitly linked as the commenter said. Sorry for sharing facts.

[@arturkushukov1815]

I think Metyr's attack is spawning those creepy lamprey things that live on the finger ruins.

[@dylanvickers7953]

They strike me as failed fingers, a single living digit

[@nazarkabylov4545]

​@@dylanvickers7953along those lines, I think there's an item you can loot from them and in the area (mimic fingers or smth like that) talks about how people are trying to become fingers or smth like that.

[@florianchabaud8548]

@@nazarkabylov4545 The item is called "Finger Mimic"

[@PeteQuaint]

If the lampreys are failed finger, are the wormfaces humans who failed to become fingers?

[@jellydamgood]

​@@dylanvickers7953 there are hatched eggs at the edge of the first finger ruins. Do Fingers come from eggs and are snakemen just spontaneously made? As a bodyguard force perhaps?

[@Ryxbar]

For Rellana's arena and the other Carian types, those pools they fight in are moongazing pools, no? So, super important for Carian royalty or high officers I guess.

[@Shizn0id]

if you look closly in the cutscene where messmer removes his grace you can see there's a ball of snakes twisting deep inside the socket afterwards alluding to that being his true eye that was sealed by the grace.

[@crumblyguy1834]

It's both funny and satisfying to have godrick's grafting and rykards reverse snake absorption ability be revealed through the numen jars

[@liarwithagun]

I was thinking about that as well. It is kinda sad that Godrick had a single trick that makes him interesting, but Rykars one ups him and is planning on grafting 'the gods' and all powerful warriors he comes across. Godrick really is a pathetic loser in every way possible.

[@Bigpea167]

@@liarwithagun I’m pretty sure the main reason he is at stormveil is because he wimped out of the capital during the shattering

[@Rarrded]

I wondered if there was a correlation with Miquella's light and the Miranda flower's light attack. Saint Trina seems similar to a Miranda flower as well in terms of appearance.

[@dars1961]

The final boss was Flowey all this time, no wonder they are so ridiculously tanky and annoying.

[@mralabbad7]

I feel like some people see the Shaman Village bit and are like, "Oh! Marika was right!" Forgetting that she did the same to giants and basically every other faction that was against them. Not to mention, she didn't even discontinue the making of living jars because we see them fertilizing the minor erdtrees everywhere. While also imprisoning omens in sewers who aren't even on the hornsent's side, they just happened to be born with the same infliction. While making it a common practice for people who are not nobility to cut their babies' horns off, killing them, or most of them at least. And Omen killers were all perfumers under the golden order.

[@FaeQueenCory]

Got that backwards. The commoner ones are the ones who get their horns cut. The noble ones get to keep their horns... But get to be dumped in a sewer.

[@mralabbad7]

@@FaeQueenCory yes both what we said are the same. "Not nobility" = "commoners"

[@KrispyBuddha69]

​@mralabbad7 i mean yes Marika does the same things but the hornsent did it first her whole god hood was built upon the grief of her entire people getting slaughtered and the erdtree jar burial could be seen as her way of honoring what happened to her dead because it is said somewhere that the jar burial is how souls return to the erdtree for rebirth so maybe it became a tradition after Marika tried to bury some of her villages jars at the erdtree in hopes they will be reborn and it became a tradition years and years later. No character in this game is black or white they're merely shades of grey

[@mralabbad7]

@KrispyBuddha69 there may be evidence supporting marika helping the hornsent in subjugating her own people and using them to ascend. (They themselves say marika betrayed them) as in they were on the same side. And the mountain of flesh that made the gate of divinity is possibly the same lumps of flesh that explode out of jars (her own people)

[@Psychedel1x]

@@mralabbad7 I thought that maybe she used hornsent to ascend. Used their knowledge divine tower and rituals to go through gate of divinity, maybe thats why they say about betrayal

[@habanerodash447]

after phase 1 radahn glows red because its mohgs body and hes likely about to go bloodflame. notice he only turns gold AFTER we hear miquella's voice and miquella makes an entrance. its another tell that it's not radahn, but mohg's body, but miquella shows up just in time to try to cover this up.

[@habanerodash447]

@@Chicanery_Artifice someone hasn't beaten mohg on their own lmao, maybe try actually getting to mohgs 2nd phase and tell me the red aura isn't a part of mohgs identity.

[@0ne-Two]

@@Chicanery_Artifice He literally uses fucking bloodflame in the fight LOL

[@The_Muncher2017]

@@Chicanery_Artificeyou got cooked

[@ididntaskverified3663]

"Artifice" - introduction - yeah I summon, yeah I'm a 5'3 47 year old 317+ pound man, my balls fell off

[@zanesy6250]

I think the StormLord was a hornsent. Stormveil is close to were the hornsent castle would be and they are one of the few groups who celebrate the storm in their divine beast dances.

[@armandaneshjoo]

Stormlord was Grandsax. The hornsent learned storm from him, not the other way around. He learned from his father Placidusax.

[@DoctorPecker]

​@@armandaneshjoo That's fine as a theory I guess, but you're saying it as if it's a known fact. There is actually zero evidence pointing towards that whatsoever. It's more likely that it was the "Stormhawk King". The description for those spirit ashes reads: "Ashes of a hawk revered by all others as sovereign back in the days when Stormveil's winds still raged like no other. This ancient monarch is proud however, refusing to answer anyone's summons." It's an actual hawk, and the ashes describe it as a "monarch"... "Sovereign"... And also make reference to Stormveil, specifically.

[@armandaneshjoo]

@@DoctorPecker Stormhawk king was a regional ruler like Serosh. and he was not the only follower of the Stormlord. Banished knights were all loyal to the stormlord. that's why they were banished.

[@DoctorPecker]

@@armandaneshjoo Okay?

[@armandaneshjoo]

@@DoctorPecker "Okay?" meaning? do I have to write the entire banished knight lore here just to demonstrate Stormlord was Grandsax? There are other pieces of evidence. one item description reads Godfrey faced stormlord alone. You see the corpse of Grandsax in the capital. Who could've killed him other than Godfrey? How else could Godwyn befriend invading dragons other that stopping his father from killing them all?

[@michaeljohnston8891]

Few things I thought I’d add: I think the association with sorcery and water stems from primitive cosmological views, seeing the night sky as a vast firmament of waters that contained the stars. From Ymir and Sellen, we know that this Firmament of the great beyond, in a sense, is the Greater Will, and is where all souls come from. I think this also explains why we see so many river coffin burials in the underground regions; the goal was to drift the dead bodies out to sea, allowing their souls to return to the cosmos. Another thing about Messmer; BonfireVN recently showed that there are actually two serpents in the fight. There’s the one Messmer turns into, which is basically just him in serpent form, as well as the actual Base Serpent. An interesting facet of both serpent’s design is that their bodies are covered in tiny red eyes

[@Renastarsong]

Another thing about Messmer and the snake: many snakes "see" with special pits along their snouts with thermal sensors; essentially a kind of heat vision. So in addition to the snake's eyesight, he might be tracking the Tarnished's body heat.

[@SorowFame]

If that were the case I’d imagine most of his own attacks would end up effectively blinding him. Maybe he has that ability but I don’t think he’d rely on it considering how much fire he flings about.

[@Renastarsong]

@@SorowFame flashes of flame would lose their thermal signature pretty quickly. They’re usually there and gone on a thermal camera. Unless they’re the kind that linger on the field I guess? I confess I do not remember his move set at all off the top of my head. I don’t think heat pits work exactly like eyes in terms of output so it’s hard to say and not a 1:1, but now I’m stuck with the very goofy hypothetical of heat vision + fire attack = flashbang on himself. The model (at least in the close up as you walk in) certainly seems to have them.

[@blinkrush6101]

Hornsent is Irish, and the village the Shamans were jarred in is called the Bonny village. This means good, or pleasant. Truly horrific.

[@ilcorvo9559]

Bonny in Scotland (and north east England) is more like saying something or someone is handsome/pretty.

[@sk8legendz]

Metyr carrying the elden beast and tricking Marika into following its broken guidance and becoming a vessel for the elden beast to become the elden ring is a really crazy lore drop too. Just makes me wonder why send Metyr to establish the order of Gold only to abandon Metyr later.

[@armandaneshjoo]

Metyr did not care about the order of gold. She supported ANY order. Greater will did not send Metyr. He just allowed her to come. Metyr was not abandoned. The greater will is powerless without the Elden Ring.

[@sk8legendz]

@@armandaneshjoo metyr was stated as abandoned Metyr came bearing the elden beast whether sent by the greater will or not isn't confirmed or disproven by anything concrete

[@armandaneshjoo]

@@sk8legendz (1) Metyr was greater will's daughter. (2) Greater will was confirmed as a creator god above all outer gods in the DLC. pretty concrete. (3) Metyr was the first shooting star. She came before the Elden beast.

[@derekholden2550]

​@@sk8legendz Where does it say something about Metyr carrying the Elden Beast? All I saw was something saying she arrived before it.

[@sk8legendz]

@@derekholden2550 It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring. in the trailer you see Marika reaching into Metyr's eye. withdrawing the elden beast to become the vessel for the elden ring. Metyr didn't arrive before the elden beast, Metyr was the golden star and was in possession of the elden beast which is a Vassal beast of the greater will and the concept of order that connects Metyr and the elden beast both being directly connected to the greater will and the Metyr weapon remembrance describes precisely what we see marika touching in the trailer and the elden beast being in it's eye and the concept of grace in eyes probably has some connection too. the dlc has a lot of unspoken implication like radagon and marika's fusion is a great example as well of that.

[@antoinedenis3081]

The water for the carian fights are astral observatories, they work as a mirror when the water is still

[@ThrowingHydra]

7:28 the skin is most likely shredded due to the in game file naming of the textures, the midphase masking for the snakes is named "c5132_HU_Snake_shedding_a" for the albedo, with shedding in it that makes sense for the explination

[@jacobgill2110]

Beginning to think that shaman lineage is what allows for grafting, since I've heard people theorizing that the base bodies of the fleshy jar men is a shaman who's had their flesh meld with the flesh of others in the jar with them. It's mentioned in game that shaman flesh melds with others well and if done with purpose I imagine you'd get the results of grafting and the only ones we've seen use grafting involving flesh are descendants of the golden order and so have shaman blood and can meld with others

[@embargovenom9948]

"A twist that no one expected." Tons of us thought Miquella had brainwashed Mohg. XD

[@SifGreyfang]

I mean he kinda did

[@embargovenom9948]

@@SifGreyfang He did, and it was a common theory even before the DLC, thanks to Bewitching Branches.

[@armandaneshjoo]

yup

[@jellydamgood]

​@@embargovenom9948 it took a while to take root. Lots of people just didn't accept the fact that miquella is actually just a midget. And then be like nah, miquella will never actually use his powers, and all that.

[@coldsteelblue7275]

​@@jellydamgood then maybe miquell actually managed to bewitch the community 🤔

[@gnojlk]

Ancient people used crafted pools of water to reflect the night sky to chart the stars. The Carians magic was tied to the movement of celestial bodies. The pools were used in game to research and harness that connection to their magic. But that's only for standing pools and areas like Renallas. Moving water in Elden ring is more associated with the flow of life and the dead.

[@antoinedenis3081]

I'm kinda sick of hearing "this guy is actually evil, and this other guy is actually good, we owe them an apology, king". Like i think the game is clear enough : no one in it is moraly good and above the others, everyone comitted atrocities to reach a goal they see as righteous

[@2shadowgamer2]

I agree, I think the writing in this game tries to make these characters as complex and nuanced as possible. All these characters are seeking power including the tarnish you play as. When people are seeking power no one comes out of it without doing some really bad stuff. I think, compared to the average fantasy story where there's a clear indication of good and evil, that's why this story trips people up. They're trying to look for a good and bad when this game isn't really about morality it's just a story of people vying for power and the horrible things people will do in order to get it. (Even if they have good intentions)

[@antoinedenis3081]

@@2shadowgamer2 exactly what i think ! Tho, you can make your own judgment on which character is the most moraly correct, according to your set of morals, but that doesnt mean they are moraly correct

[@eurongreyjoy2]

Mohg and Radahn are still violent draconian overlords

[@antoinedenis3081]

@@eurongreyjoy2 yeah and some people see them as the pinnacle of good guys when, like all other characters, it's not that simple

[@paulogaspar8295]

@@eurongreyjoy2 yes, but are way better then ranni, malenia, radagon, marika, dung eater, rykard, etc...

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

I’ve always defended Mohg, that even though he might’ve been a (now acquitted) Mohglester and blood cultist, he was ultimately trying to make a new government with civil rights and that balanced him out. Now I can say he really is less evil than people thought, though it’s a shame I can’t say the same about Miquella. I genuinely believed he would’ve been the Jesus of Elden Ring but nope.

[@formatomi]

You cant escape the Berzerk references with Mister Zaki, Miquella was Griffith all along (albeit with a more noble porpuse)

[@SiphonRayzar]

I mean, sure, he got mind controlled by Miquella. However, I'm of the opinion that Mohg was still the instigator in kidnapping Mohg, and that Miquilla mind controlled him after the fact, not before. Miquilla's power of enchantment is, seemingly, limited to touch, not ranged. Additionally, well, have you seen the blood swamp? Mohg was still obsessed with blood and wounds, courtesy of his worship of the formless mother.

[@Joesmho23]

Yeah he got played but that doesn’t excuse his blood lust and his plan to take over with the new dynasty. He’s a tragic character because he was born an omen but nothing excuse the stuff he set out to do. He’s still evil lmao

[@LorenzoLame80085]

All the Miqullester fans above doing damage control. Lord Mogg, Sir Asbach, I killed the femboy for you two

[@cool2314]

lol he is still evil though.

[@pepeg239]

there’s also similarities in name of the cathedrals (dlc one and ranni’s quest one), and the cathedral of manus metyr houses: metyr the mother of fingers, then i wonder if ranni’s cathedral of manus celes actually means something..

[@carna-9501]

Celes means "heavenly" Cathedral of the Heavenly Hand

[@alyandthecats]

Maybe explains why her fingers looked different?

[@thebigenchilada678]

@@alyandthecatsi figured it was due to her cutting them in half diagonally with the finger slaying blade.

[@coldblizzard5880]

If he had to give a winner to the dragon fight I’d say Placidusax won that scrap they had. Bayle not only got his wings completely torn to shreds to the point that bones are showing, but he’s also missing a whole leg. And Placidusax is still biting into him. And above all else…it was Bayle who ran away. Love the lore of those 2. Easily two of my favorite characters in this game.

[@teamshesh]

I think the water with the Carians, ties back to ancient civilizations using water to reflect the moon and stars, so they didn’t have the break their neck while staring and analyzing . Basically telescopes without the magnification

[@GJWhite66]

I'd say the biggest oversight people are making about Rellana is her fire. Her fire has nothing to do with Messmer. If you observe every fire user associated with Messmer, they all share that snake-like characteristic, as if the flames are alive. Rellana is a fire user because the original Astrologers all were flame users. They learned flame magic alongside the Fire Giants. We find the Sword of Night and Flame in the Carian Manor. Rellana's flame magic mirrors the flame attack of that weapon. We shouldn't be surprised that the strongest Carian warrior is capable of freely using carian spells, moonlight spells, and flame spells

[@TheMrNukeman]

Except there are item descriptions saying she accepted Messmer's flame and literally wields his different color fire...

[@GJWhite66]

@TheMrNukeman and how often has Hidetaka Miyazaki made any lore description item 100% literal? I believe I remember the item you describe, but I can't remember the exact wording. There are other items that just say Rellana chose to stand with him. I state again, Astrologers already know how to use flame magic. The Legendary Weapon of the Carian Royals is the Sword of Night and Flame. The best Carian Knight already knows Flame magic, she wouldn't need to be taught how to use it. And the animations are a dead giveaway. Why would her fire attacks not act like Messmer's? How every other character who does use Messmer's Flame attacks behave? I hesitate to say Miyazaki made a mistake in having the attack animation almost fully match an animation from a Carian weapon. If one thing the DLC has proven to a lot of people is that whatever you thought at the end of the base game, those theories are on the whole incorrect. Even things that seem obvious.

[@XxN00BxXgg3]

​@@GJWhite66 I'm sorry man but if you had eyes rellanas flame is extremely similar to messmers It doesn't have the serpentine nature of it, but rain of fire also doesn't

[@tomnope540]

The pools you see in Relanna and Loretta are moongazing pools. They use the water's surface to look on the moon at night. And technically we aren't fighting Renalla in phase 2 of her fight, but a projection made by Ranni. Same purpose for the water there though.

[@Caseyuptobat]

The real secret is that his name is Mohg, not Mogg

[@theredknight9314]

I mog you

[@blizzardgaming7070]

Just listen to how Varre pronounces it, not too difficult.

[@theredknight9314]

@@Chicanery_Artifice SHAME, SHAME, *SHAME* !!!!

[@samueltitone5683]

@@Chicanery_ArtificeClearly you’ve never had a substitute teacher if you don’t think people take names and their pronunciation seriously.

[@Honor_One]

Radahn was remade in his prime(young version before Malenia fight) and Radahn wasn’t in control until the end and it was the Battle that bought back the fire in Radahn soul because he just wanted to die

[@wanderingbufoon]

Mogh cosplaying as Radahn probably made him so happy because he gets to be not an Omen. I mean, dude is beautiful. Looks like his father, Godfrey, in Radahn's armor.

[@Kiranthia]

Small connection: The mother of fingers sits really close to the Scottish Cryptid the Nuckelavee in my mind, same goes with the Knight and many of the creatures related to the Greater Will like the Erd Tree protectors in the base game. My two pennies

[@jinji_xo]

9:10 Serosh is the stormlord. Godfreys axe has beastmen carvings on it. Afterwards, him and his men went to the roundtable hold and placed their weapons upon the table to become royalty, leading to him becoming the first elden lord. The Godfrey statue in the throne room is not melded together, it just has Godfrey in front of Serosh's plaque. The roundtable Manor and stormveil itself has Farum Azula architecture in it as well.

[@reigoj8228]

Stormlord is stated to be a bird. Most likely twinbird, the first of grave and death birds. Divine bird feathers: A technique of the divine bird warriors, the very first of all horned warriors, wielded as an incantation. Spread the arms wide like wings to release a flurry of feathers. This incantation can be cast while in motion. Hold to continue releasing feathers. The divine bird warriors, and indeed this technique, are said to bear resemblance to the golden Crucible. The birds were first beastial warriors, lions came afterwards. And with birds being the first, before the crucible itself, all the storm incantations of crucible are afterwards earned. Most likely this is also the reason why storm and warhawks are found in stormy places and cats aren't.

[@clemenscohn7371]

@@reigoj8228 While I don't agree that Serosh is the Stormlord as there is no evidence for it, beastmen are not directly linked to the Crucible (and therefore horns). Serosh is noted as the lord of beasts, which in ER context basically means he is the oldest/first beast. Birds have a direct link to 2nd(?) gen dragons (Greyoll being feathered, birds all around Farum Azula, birds being a direct descendant of dinosaurs IRL). Dragons do relate to the crucible as they have horns, tails, wings and all the animal aspects explicitly shown in ER which are notably missing from the beastmen. So no, your dismissal is dismissed.

[@reigoj8228]

@@clemenscohn7371 crucible isn't just horns and point of my dismissal is origin of all horned warriors, spira and twinbird being cojoined. Dragons, serpents and drakes are separate and of different order than crucible and stormlord. Unless our twinheaded bird is in fact twin headed dragon plasi after he lost two of his heads. Now we know already that bayle tore those two heads off before time of marika and big g beat stormlord. Twinbirds kiteshield tells us twinbird was envoy of outer god. So crucible is, by in game confirmation, bird originating twinned spiral of wind and storms.

[@kayhaich]

Serosh wasnt storm anything, he was a beast. The storm lord was probably related to the divine bird stuff, probably a divine bird warrior....stormkeep was probably a hornsent/spira-related stronghold to begin.

[@Orobolus_Outline]

Yep, all the weapons at the Hold even have spiral grips. I've been trying to clear up the carvings on Godfrey's axe being stylized representations of wind (and thus connected to Beastmen, etc.) for awhile now.

[@dividedbyzero11]

With the putrescent knight, it’s internal name suggests it was originally connected to the gloam eyed queen and the godskins. He also evokes grave lord nitro and the bone wheel skeletons, so it makes sense that a symbol of death holds power over its own skinned body, since the godskins once served destined death

[@sethstewart9704]

"Grave Lord Nitro" Bone Wheels, Beat That!

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

Been screaming Mohg did nothing wrong for over a year at this point, happy that people are finally apologizing to the boy. Hail the formless mother 🤘

[@shiroiidakku]

Radahn and Mohg did nothing wrong. They just victim by god. And that's why Ranni purpose is the best ending yet until another next DLC (i hope so story of Gloom Eyes Queen)

[@alreadyd1d]

​@@Chicanery_Artificethose are just albinauric periods, don't trash on our benevolent Mohgoat 🙄

[@1uanonymous444]

Put this man on the pdfile list

[@thebigenchilada678]

@@shiroiidakkuranni’s ending is left intentionally vague and the DLC’s visual and narrative bits reflect the actions that ranni takes to ascend, to taht of miquella’s, hinting that Ranni too will fall victim to godhood (probably) Continuing the cycle that Marika wanted to break. In otherwords the frenzied flame ending is the best ending as no god or order will exist to continue the cycle.

[@hatefulgaming1800]

@@thebigenchilada678mate nothing will exist, you destroy absolutely everything.

[@joesaiditstrue]

one thing that's interesting about mesmer's inability to see coupled with the fact that he has snakes surrounding him, is that snakes have the ability to sense infrared heat without the use of their eyes

[@thehotwindblowing]

The insight into the origins of Dragon Communion helped make sense of an environmental detail that always puzzled me a little. In Farum Azula, you can find Banished Knights that perform Dragon Communion, yet they seemed to be at home in the Dragon Temple instead of being intruders. In hindsight, maybe it should have been obvious that no Ancient Dragons appear in the Dragon Communion spells but now it all sort of "clicks" with that explicit testimony.

[@liarwithagun]

I was the same. I realized that not all dragons in the base game dropped hearts, but never realized it was only ancient dragons that didn't drop hearts. After I heard the DLC line about communion being at the behest of Placidusax, it seemed so blinding obvious to me that I felt like facepalming.

[@mic01851165]

So what if we tell the dragon maiden that... we killed her master dragon lord?

[@TeamKhandiKhane]

The Putrescent Knight is just Leonard after things were done to our boy.

[@weebhunter9305]

What if the Hornsent succeeded into creating a Saint? Marika, we know that was their whole idea behind the jars and besides Marika there isn't another (Miko) shaman or maiden whichever translation you accept for now, that had an alter ego. Which is Radagon and remember this. Every child of Marika and Radagon specifically had some influence or alter ego. Messmer was influenced by a flame and then a abyssal serpent consumed it, Malenia was influenced by an Outer God, Miquella who straight up had an alter ego St.Trina, and since Melina is implied by Messmer flame that it is his younger sister possibly had the Gloam Eyed Queen which Marika defeated giving us a reason as to why Melina doesn't have a body since the Gloam Eyed Queen was killed and Melina was the alter ego. That's why they talked about being betrayed by Marika, they think they were doing good by the atrocities committed trying to create a saint only to succeed and Marika played her role until she had the opportunity to take power and become a God. And to explain the rest of Demigods is easy, at that point Marika and Radagon were separated Marika and Godfrey had Godwym, Morgott and Mohg. While Radagon went and had Ranni, Rycard and Radahn. And the Demigods mentioned above only had traits/roots of their respective parent. I'll even retract what I said about them being separated they might have had control when they were having their respective children.

[@afk2402]

"The flesh of shamans was said to meld harmoniously with others" doesn’t it make you remember of someone known for grafting others body parts on himself to grow stronger ?

[@liarwithagun]

Rykard actually does grafting too I think. It's how he fuses himself into that immortal snake when it should have just digested hik like everything else it ever ate.

[@doju5505]

6:17 definitely shows just how horse-like the knight himself is

[@Illier1]

This basically confirms that Marika was basically made to be an alchemical Rebis, a perfect fusion of man and woman to make the ultimate being. Perhaps the Shamans were enslaved and tortured for this very purpose and thats why they forced them to fuse with other beings, to make a divine being. She is the White Queen to Radagon's Red King, and makes me wonder who Radagon was before the melding. This process is so engrained in Elden Ring society that it still shows up in a mild form even in Marika's rule. The Battle Jars are the entrails of many warriors that make mighty Jars like Alexander. Grafting might also be a pale imitation of this ritual which is why Godrick tried to make himself perfect.

[@whitewolf8780]

my theory on the putrescent knight is that it was failed attempt at recreating Radahns loyal steed Lenard

[@theredknight9314]

I cant wait to see full data mines to see what is hiding in the shadows and how much if any was rewritten

[@DepressiveWeeb]

Did everyone just forgot that Mohg is the lord of blood? Fuck that guy. And that's is not a Radahn puppet, that's Radahn mate. He agreed in being Miquella consort

[@newengland9thgen372]

You know for a fact when our Tarnished lives out his years and passes that Radahn is waiting with the crispiest dap up of allntime

[@AssailantLF]

Awesome video! I had the exact same revelation about the Stormlord thinking about the lore at work last night, lol

[@FiveTiger]

4:35 maybe not caterpillars, but centipedes? Golden Centipedes are associated with Golden Order fundamentalism and the hunters of Those Who Live In Death, and If I remember right they can be found in churches dedicated to Radagon.

[@TheScrootch]

This is truly a Mohg moment

[@parafoxl7619]

Mesmers eye is actually the same as the Talisman of Marika

[@bloodandbonezzz]

00:56 oh no I’m not sorry, that guy made me question why I bought the game.

[@dewey_montana]

"As though affected by great sucking forces" is something that was nver going to be on my bingo card for Elden Ring lore

[@nilspochat8665]

here's what i found, first in the base game, then again in the DLC : in the consecrated snowfields, near the dead erdtree, *and only there,* you can find rocks that looked like stone tablets, engraved with what i'd call _'hebrew-looking-sorta text' (i noticed them a bit before the DLC came out) you can find the same sort of tablets in the shadow keep grand library, freyja is trying to decipher some of them

[@spikeyfied]

We should have gotten a Cutscene for Rellana. It is so outrageous that she just is "there" like she is nothing special. In fact the lack of Boss Cutscenes is a letdown in the DLC in my opinion.

[@magicka789]

Rellana is by far best encounter in DLC, she has everything good boss needs. (aside of cutscene) :(

[@harrymcgrory2531]

Not exactly new: previous DLC's, for example Ringed City and Ashes of Ariandel, had only 2 cutscene bosses between them.

[@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV]

Hey I noticed that horse-flesh thing first time I saw that fight! I thought the ribcage looked very much like a horse, but the skull threw me off. I also noticed a couple other things like Messmer being his snake, his snakes losing colour and the fingers, but the horse is the main one.

[@Fyre19]

The omen horns and the puppet body does do bleed attacks, Also i think the "flame of war" bit might just be moghs body trying to reinsert itself but only calms down once miq lays on his consorts back. Forcing moghs body back and bringing radahns spirit in place

[@Willie_Dickins]

Very interesting. I'm seeing a parallel where the god Miquella ensured that Radahn's (the Lion's) spirit was used to inhabit a bloody lord's (Mohg's) body, and similarly, the god Marika ensured that Serosh's spirit was linked with a bloodthirsty lord's body, both for the sake of creating a lord that is just and regal. Unrelated, I want to point out another potentially obvious thing, where people are calling the lava droplet enemies "Lava Slimes", they really share little in common with the slime-type enemies. Rather, they have identically shaped models and attack animations to that of the Silver Tear enemies. I am really looking forward to learning about connections between the Nox and the smiths of the ruined forges. We know the Nox created Albinaurics, attempted to forge a lord, resisted the Greater Will, created mimic tears and silver tears. The connections are being made obvious between the Nox and the god of smithing and the forge, and their followers. What hidden implications that may bring up, I will be considering, and waiting to hear what the lore community thinks.

[@420PraiseIt]

Having radahn as last boss is akin to a mangaka being mad people finding out the ending and asspulls out of it. Makes no sense and everything is a bad retcon. Feels like seasons 7 and 8 in GoT after 5 amazing and 1 good season.

[@senpapi4511]

Can you kill Bayle first then go to Placidusax ?

[@TheClocktowerCrew]

4:50 I actually got insight slug vibes from this attack, like how in bloodborne all the elder things use slugs to gain insight, and slugs seem to be a symbol for insight in bloodborne

[@darklordauron]

Something I am considering is based on that Shaman bits are part of the living jars' function. So what if Radagon was a Shaman too. And his binding and unbinding with Merika is a function of that people in general? What if the living jars of the land of shadow are female shamans aligned to the crucible, but those of the lands between are male jars beholden to the erdtree, grace, and gold because Radagon made them. That Radagon, in his fundamentalism, took this old Shaman art, put a little piece of Shaman - perhaps even a piece of himself that could be as little as a strand of his hair - in them, and created this lands between version to ferry the dead to the erdtrees?

[@todd3143]

miquella is so environmentally conscious he recycles bodies. miquella’s got my vote for the next elden god

[@markchopaping2576]

The Putrescent Knight/ rider looks to me like the lower part of the horse's skeleton but the hind part is now the front lol . Like the "neck" of the knight is actually the skeleton's tail.

[@BlestNekun]

So I noticed Miquella has three arms not four. His left upper arm is gone. However, one of the Miquella crosses states he left his arm sinister behind. Any other lore explaining why one arm? And why does he get an extra pair of arms but Marika didn't? The other thing Miquella mentions a thousand years of peace. Do the gods of the world only get a thousand years to rule? Ranni said the same with her Moon order. 😎🍻😎

[@embargovenom9948]

Are you sure? I noticed that but I saw two physical arms and two spirit arms.

[@BlestNekun]

@@embargovenom9948 When the cinematic zooms in on Miquella first latching onto Radahn it shows his upper left arm just before the elbow is faded away, I believe. I may have to watch it again. 😎🍻😎

[@iboofer]

His left arm has a weird defect on it, a bulging vein. I'd imagine it was in some way undesirable to him and so he didn't want to manifest it.

[@mikariekki5708]

Metyr seems to be bursting baby Lampreys, the same ones that haunt the Finger Ruins

[@WiresDawson]

6:51 that's an absolutely incredible joke if it was intentional, can't believe no-one else seems to have noticed.

[@playa1877]

6:35 I like the way you threw that in there, (Purple Mire) That is the Exact word Nashandra uses in DS2 when you fight her...and this creature has almost the same design as she does.....Maybe this is the horse she rode when her and Vendrick conquered the Land of Giants

[@SomeRedDude93]

Putrescent knight is Radahn's horse, abandoned when Miquelle abandoned his love (Trina) he tossed aside Radahn's love as well (Leonard).

[@neverdive1059]

What is it about water? Great volumes of water serve as a bulwark guarding sleep, and an auger of the eldritch truth.

[@IceCreamed]

Us: We're tired of fighting repeat boss fights, stop it. FromSoft: So you're saying you want the final boss of the DLC to be a boss you've already fought before? Us: .....

[@Nurix09]

The Putrescent Knight was originally supposed to be the Gloam-eyed Queen's knight and maybe that is why he is so weird.

[@ceomusic7]

I wonder if any of the new emotes we got from the DLC somehow open up secrets from the old world game

[@Lj_Redd]

i never realized putrescent knights head wasnt a skull till now

[@ORLY911]

I now speculate the Storm King may have been Serrosh, chosen to become Horauh Loux's calmness after he was physically slain, representing the calmness after a storm. The imagery of the Divine Lion in the DLC gives me this impression, the Hornsents interpretation of the storm king through a dancers contraption, which does bear similarity to Serrosh, as well as the divine beast warriors masks.

[@JSON_bourne]

No godwyn fight is an L

[@johnvoices4087]

It seems like it was the original intention but that idea got cut later... idk why its just not the twist or grand plan i wanted... i think the Sunflower gight was what Godwyn was supposed to be. He looks a lot like a sunflower.

[@metarenegade]

5:04 LOL I just watched that meme where a guy challenges a centaur to a horse race.

[@quinnzykir]

4:25 you can’t tell me this wasn’t inspired by the furry artist Mot

[@HissDelgato]

In regards to Messmer, if you look at his model like BonfireVN's video it's not just the snake that changes colour. Clearly there was a veil over his entire being obscuring his true form. Phase 2 his nails are claw like, there's open wounds, and snakes are clearly putruding from under his skin.

[@NightDocs]

Empathetic? If anything everything in this DLC convinces me that she was an absolute monster. I thought she was far more empathetic when it felt like she was a prisoner trapped inside a tree because she grieved too hard for her murdered son

[@TigerGemini98]

I always assumed the Carians used water as a reflective mirror to view the stars and moon

[@nachomandos]

There is certainly something to dig into around Manus Metyr and Manus Celes, as well as the twin moons on rellena and renalla childhood

[@Rodrigo_Cioffi]

cool little dettail: when youre at the shaman village you cant see the veil that covers the land of shadow, its the only place in the realm of shadow where this happens

[@Rodrigo_Cioffi]

also, messmer and melina have the same eyes closed, there has to be something there

[@MK-xj5by]

@@Rodrigo_Cioffithey are silbing

[@DerGametastischeDude]

I mean mohg still raised a bloodcult and all...

[@acrowdofpeople]

The putrescent knight makes me somehow think of a nuckelavee. And the water's association with spellcasting makes me think of two things: the pools of water in Armored Core 6 which typically sit atop Coral deposits, and the Deep from Dark Souls 3 which was once a sacred place before it became contaminated and impure (I recall there was an area in the Cathedral of the Deep with shallow water as well, and it became quite polluted near the edges). I'm not sure what to make of this connection, and I'm probably just seeing patterns where none exist. Or it may just be a recurring visual theme.

[@merleetomlin6218]

Honestly, the caterpillar mask reminded me of the worm faces.

[@Rajiin]

What if …maybe…::perhaps….Elden Ring Lore.

[@Reegsy]

My biggest regret was eventually killing Ansbach, thinking he was a Mohglester sympathizer. Haven’t been the same since

[@antoinepfen9904]

The appearance of the undead knight-monster guarding St Trina is interesting. Maybe the "lord brother, please die a true death" from the base game also applied to Godwyn, as many people initially thought. Maybe the St Trina part of Miquella, his "love" which he later divested himself of, indeed wanted to bring solace and mercy to Godwyn, but Miquella had other plans in mind.

[@thex6992]

Has anyone noticed that after messmer removes his seal eye the socket looks exactly like the darksign??? Also Radahn uses the bloodflame slash morgott and mohg use in the first phase

[@cody3335]

Marika hooked up with a snake confirmed

[@alemaniacreyon]

All I could think of with Mohg is, ALLEGATIONS BEATEN

[@dominantgorilla9274]

I mean mogh not being a kidnapper doesn't change the fact that he is good or bad outside of the thing with miquella he also just wanted to start a new order and destroy the golden order our character would have killed him anyway

[@vintagestealth8802]

Gotta spin the block for my mans Mogh. Also for Radahn and Leonard.

[@sharif47]

2:42 for the record, this is not Rennala, the 2nd phase is an illusion by Ranni.