Hayward pool vac stuck going right or left or no movement

[@paullarouche4648]

I love my 9 year old Hayward Navigator and was very disappointed when it got stuck going forward all the time. So I turned to KZbin, the fountain of all knowledge, for a solution and found your series of four videos. I was extremely impressed by the clarity and quality of your instructions. When I removed the gears from the rectangular gearbox I found the tiniest of seeds, about the size of a grain of barley but quite hard, wedged between the 2nd and 3rd gears. Surely, I thought this tiny seed could not be the cause of my problem. I reassembled the unit and performed the "hang" test, thoroughly exercising my index finger, and discovered that everything was back in order. Now my Navigator is back at work scurrying around my pool. Thank you and God bless.

[@mbjdiy1778]

Fantastic God bless

[@Reportermel30]

that little blue bracket thingymabob that bridges over the pods is SUPER important! I unscrewed everything on my navigator to see if there was something stuck in there cuz it wouldn't move and no leaves were collecting in the pump basket and I noticed that blue bracket was just floating around in there not connected to anything. I guess the screw came loose and the screw got lost somehow. anyway, found a new screw and reattached it and the navigator is MOVING! Thanks for your video. I had no idea where it even went when it fell out of my navigator when I took it apart so I searched on KZbin and found you and there it was plain as day (3:35) Thanks again!

[@mbjdiy1778]

THE SCREW MAYBE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL RUSTING OR IN YOUR PUMP STRAINER BASKET ..... SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME ... LOL 😇 sorry about the caps my key gets stuck

[@k8nyonyoutube487]

At 3:07 also happened to my son's Hayward Vac. Called the pool people, told them I found this screw and they told the distributor who replaced it under the warranty. Thanks for all your info MBJ

[@mbjdiy1778]

You bet and awesome comment and always God bless

[@markpeveler7889]

I found BOESHIELD T-9 waterproof lubrication spray into the disassembled gear box, let it set over night and reinstall. T-9 has waxes for a lubricant and seem to free up the gear box. I have been using this vac for about 20 year and I'm on my 3rd one. Sweep Fins and the updated V-Flex Extended Upgrade Kit are also a nice upgrade.

[@mbjdiy1778]

This is DIY Channel what ever works for you is the key to DIY 👍😇

[@mbjdiy1778]

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[@tweetiebird]

I replaced the turbine making sure the rollers were seated in the groves and being careful to not let it move while putting it back together. I replaced the gear box, A frame, pods, shoes and wings and it moved some and does pick up the dirt when it does vacuum so the suction is fine. I also bought new hoses and probably could of bought a new hayward on sale by now, but I'm invested and thanks to the youtube videos at 70 female and like learning how to do things myself after taking it and paying over a hundred to get it fix at Lesile and ripped off. One thing I member hearing was be careful removing the two skews are to reach under the one flap and I did but I have noticed now it is full back exposing the skews so it's been tweeked and now I'm ordering new ones of those too. The only thing left after that is the main gear that controls the movement of the hose connected to the vac but I tested it and it moves very well, guess well have to see if the replacing the flaps will be the final nut to fix this thing. Thank you guys for the time and effort to help us trouble shoot these things; they can be intimidating but with a little or a lot of patience they are repairable until they don't sell the parts any more.

[@mbjdiy1778]

You worked so hard on this ... that is how I learned these machines ... use the $100.00 limit when repairing these things like I learned when I put over $300.00 in one and realized the whole thing was worn out, thinning , and cracking😞😢 I hope your last parts ordered accomplish the fix.. keep me appraised of your results ... As always God bless and works for me 😇

[@tweetiebird]

@@mbjdiy1778 I agree you can replace all the various parts as long as they are available; it beats 400.00+ for a new one. I also agree probably best to just replace everything (rebuild) every couple of years or you will be driving yourself crazy finding where the problem lies since it could be so small it's hard to detect. I will be inspecting it before summer hits from now on. I know a lot more since I started this project which is great to understand how the suction/drain/skimmers operates and affects the sweeper. Ordered a flow gage Och, but very helpful to determine if the suction level is right coming through the hose in order for the vac to operate properly and make adjustments as needed. I also learned how to test the sweeper using the skimmer if the problem is suction or vac (need a hose connector for that test or alternative port for the sweeper). How hoses can have a impact due to a leak and replacing with enough hose to reach the longest distance of the pool from the outlet plus 2 more hose sections as it has to go down too. I learned the shoes, flaps, wings, pods all have L/R positions and it's easy when working upside down to put on the wrong side (I did with 2 of them!). I also replaced the turbine/bearings, but guess what after I put it all back together I pick up the piece of paper included in the turbine package and I discover a little previously unknown tid bit not mentioned on the videos I watched on how to change it out "there are notches on the plastic portion of the bearing casing and you have to fit it into the corresponding notch in the frame in sits in !!! Can't understand after how informative the videos are, no one mentions this part. I knew I didn't do that part of the instructions, so not even going to try and put it in the pool after all the effort and expense to get this thing working again to just hope it works is just not an option, so I tore it down again and sure enough it wasn't seated in the notches. Then you have to be careful trying to put the housing back on top sliding the vent into the grove all while making sure to not let it slip out of the grove again which might take a few attempts with steady hands as it did me until I felt I got it on without any movement. So the bottom line is, YES IT IS WORKING AGAIN AND CLEANED THE WHOLE BOTTOM OF THE POOL LAST NIGHT, :). Only thing is it is still not full speed ahead and seems to rise up on one side when turning so only thing left to check is flaps/adjustments. Found this manual with lots of great info too. www.hayward-pool.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/literature/pv-ownersmanual.pdf I also beleive in staying with original manufacturer parts (OEM) which we all know will cost more I know. I compared the after market parts the pool store put in and saw some differences. I find Big name manufacturers insure their parts are proprietary and nothing else will work as well even if made in China while they say it is made in the US! Here's another presentation by Hayward that that goes through proper setup. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHPElYqgi5eenKc

[@eugenezanozin]

Thank you very much for your instructional, in-depth videos! You have a very easy style to listen to which makes it a pleasure to view and learn from - congrats! I'm at my wits end as to what could be going wrong with my Hayward Navigator Pro. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. TYIA. I have completely disassembled my Hayward. The "A" frames are fine, the bearing have no gaps (they may have been not clicked into their grooves - now done), the gearbox is fine as the cleaner turns both left and right, I have replaced the feet - all seems to be well. My Hayward will move forward 2 or 3 feet, then stop. Then suddenly go again for 2 or 3 feet, then stop. I cannot understand this stop starting. Any ideas on how to rectify this situation, please? When I suspens the Hayward in the (concrete) pool, the feet are working fine.

[@mbjdiy1778]

Pressure (low pressure) and hose (cracked or damaged) can be a culprit :::: Hayward pool pump hose tangles up (kinked) during cleaning cycle Video link kzbin.info/www/bejne/emKvZ5hug6xorqM On this site ::: Troubleshooting Pages 35-47 hayward-pool-assets.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/troubleshooting-guides/navigator-pool-vac-xl-troubleshooting-guide.pdf?fromCDN=true Hayward Pool Vac Troubleshooting manual section Video link kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4eTZpydq92nnM0 Hope this Helps God Bless😇

[@eugenezanozin]

@@mbjdiy1778 Thanks very much for the advice. I have checked all the hoses and they appear fine. I did the hang test and it turns both ways. Did the suction test and is centred on the gauge between Max and Min. Pulled the unit apart again and upon inspecting the bearings on the A frames there appears to be a gap between the ball bearings. Is the bearing meant to be full? Strange that they all have just one (it appears) ball missing. I remembered you talking about the gaps created in the turbine bearings and want to know if this is the same. Thanks again for your help! 🙂

[@mbjdiy1778]

I would recommend you take it to Leslies pool supply ... They used to do a 👉free inspection to see what is wrong.. Give them a call in your area ... so many things can cause things to go wrong with these things ... did you go to the troubleshooting site I sent you ... if you have it would be best to go to leslies . 😇

[@eugenezanozin]

@@mbjdiy1778 Thanks very much for your advice - really appreciate it!

[@alanrbowles]

I have a similar problem and I have replaced almost all of the parts. One thing I don't see mentioned in the other replies could be the left and right pods. Apparently if they aren't tightly secured the navigator will not move well. I remember the first time I removed mine they were very tight and I was worried about plastic damage during removal. If yours are not tight then perhaps they need to be tightened more. Be careful, the components are plastic and can break if they are older but maybe this will work.

[@rajivrana123]

I had the same problem. After opening the navigator several times all the way and checking everything, i could not find anything wrong. I ordered a new gear box. But the new gear box is few days away from arriving. Then I read that one should blow hard at the gear box opening to see if you hear all the gears spinning. I opened it one more time and blew at the opening of the gear box. Initially it was not spinning freely but blowing fee more times it started to spin fast. Putting the navigator back, it seems to be turning both ways and does not stay on one side of the pool. I was pleasantly surprised. Well, give it a try and see if it helps your problem of the navigator turning one way only.

[@mbjdiy1778]

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[@gnurxer]

Excellent explanation of this very complicated mechanical beast. It's not longer a mystery. You da MAN!

[@mbjdiy1778]

Thank you so much and God bless

[@kurtsteinmann1]

Excellent! Your directions helped me fix the problem in quick order!@

[@mbjdiy1778]

Great to hear!😇

[@Leotron6]

Thank you for that great video. I have been using these type of Hayward clears for 16 year. I'm on my third one. The first two worked real good for about 4 years before I had to do anything to them. But this third one after just one year it stopped moving. I have checked everything you suggested and everything looked good. But it does not move. I borrowed my neighbors Hayward cleaner and put it in my pool and it work great. So I know the problem is not in the pump. I also checked the part where the hose hooks up to, it moves freely while the cleaner is not in the poor, But once I put it in the pool and it gets suction it does not move as freely. Would you know what else it could be?

[@mbjdiy1778]

Pages 35 - 47 hayward-pool-assets.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/troubleshooting-guides/navigator-pool-vac-xl-troubleshooting-guide.pdf?fromCDN=true Hope this helps works for me God bless 😇

[@tweetiebird]

most recommendations will be to replace the turbine and A frame usually the culprits, I've replaced about everything and it has improved but not up to speed. Just bought a suction gage to check it at the hose end and new flats and the little blue adjuster thing a ma jig one of the flaps wire sits in. Then you can adjust it to 1,2 or 3 for different results. I posted the a video by Hayward above and the manual for it too.

[@orlyhawley]

Hello, well done videos. I've watched all 4 videos several times & now I know everything I ever needed to know about the Navigator PRO. ☺ My issue started a couple of weeks ago, when my 2014 Navigator PRO 925ADC started slowing down to a crawl. After completely cleaning every possible part, changing shoes, wings, pods, flaps, A-frame, turbine, & bushing, it is now moving again except that it's now dancing to the right only. Great little circles but not the way I'd like to see it. What have I missed? And, after spending $150 on parts, do you think I should have been better off purchasing a new cleaner? If yes, what will be your recommended model? Thanks, Orly

[@mbjdiy1778]

Spend no more my window is 100.00 dollars then i stop. Right now your best bet is to go to Leslies and see what it might be ( they usually check for free.. If you decide to go new get the vacuum WITH the hose kit (make sure it comes with hose, suction tester etc...) so you have all new. works for me God bless . Where i always buy mine is on Amazon www.amazon.com/s?k=hayward+navigator&crid=10FOK74IP9665&sprefix=hayward+navigator%2Caps%2C112&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

[@orlyhawley]

@@mbjdiy1778 Thanks for the quick & informative reply. I have a Leslie's location close by & I will contact them (did not know that they check for free). Last, of the Hayward cleaners models, which one do you recommend? The link you provided me lists several models. Thanks again!

[@mbjdiy1778]

This is for a concrete pool comes with hose but this link also gives choice of Gunite and Vinyl Works for me www.amazon.com/Hayward-W32025ADC-PoolVac-Automatic-Cleaner/dp/B003LTVVD2/ref=sr_1_10?crid=10FOK74IP9665&keywords=hayward%2Bnavigator&qid=1652141253&sprefix=hayward%2Bnavigator%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-10&th=1 💧and also when these things get old the hoses last about 2 -5 years depending how much you chrolinate or shock your pool and this also effects the vacuum too ... it just the way it is ...Works for me God Bless😇

[@orlyhawley]

@@mbjdiy1778 Many thanks, again!

[@anthonychun2016]

Thanks man, your videos are really informative, I have checked my Hayward yesterday as it has been moving very slowly (if at all) and always going around a very small area. I opened the bottom up and found that the A frame and the shoe on one side are not moving in unison when giving it a shake or spinning the turbine. What would you think the parts I need to looking at changing? Thanks.

[@mbjdiy1778]

These parts : www.amazon.com/Continue-AXV621417WHP-Compatible-Automatic-Cleaners/dp/B09123CTSG/ref=asc_df_B09123CTSG? And also check these to be replaced or not www.amazon.com/ATIE-Cleaner-Tune-Up-AXV434WHP-AXV604WHP/dp/B07SFLDYGF/ref=pd_lpo_3? If not to sure Leslie pool supply always gives good advice and inspections

[@anthonychun2016]

@@mbjdiy1778 That's great and thanks!

[@tweetiebird]

@@mbjdiy1778 Stay away from that place they are total rip offs, took mine in charge me over a hundred dollars and it still didn't work. They told me maybe I need to buy a new one yeah right with their rediculous prices. If you are going to buy a new one, their on sale for 299.00 look around or find a mom pop pool store local and go there but not Leslie's.

[@elborikua951]

Thank you sir! One single hair in the gearbox was the culprit in my case. You have saved the day!!

[@mbjdiy1778]

You bet and God bless

[@chrismurray1055]

Interesting video, but doesn't address my turning issue. Gear box and neck are free. Red turbine turns the neck okay. Turbine turns freely. Unit won't rotate R/L around hose coupling when free suspended, even when the red sequencing valve is set with the port open. As a result, it hits a corner and simply stays there.

[@mbjdiy1778]

You need to test your pump suction you should have or may need to buy a tester. Hayward -Vacuum Gauge lesliespool.com/hayward-vacuum-gauge-v574/624116.html?LPM_PD_SHOP_BING_NB_ALL_PRODUCTS&msclkid=8b9dc70590b6129a3fa6a785383cf25d ..... or your hoses are split or cracked loosing Vacuum . Good luck God bless Works for me

[@tponce]

I need to replace the flappers on the front and back of the subassembly (that includes the A Frame). Any idea how to get those out? I got the front one out but the back one is trickier. Thanks for your videos!

[@tponce]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6rdaYlvoZ6qY7Msi=oMEqyL19srgItytQ

[@mbjdiy1778]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6WpmY2hedalkJI Hayward pool vac tear down (disassembly) MBJ DIY

[@ken4aub]

Great video. I have a problem with my Hayward Blu vac. It has worked very well for 2 years now, however, it has begun to spend most of the time on its side. I flip it over, it goes too town until it climbs a wall, then when it falls back to the pool floor, it will end up on its side. It used to turn itself over, but not now. Do you have a clue what might be the cause?

[@mbjdiy1778]

Possibly low pressure use your pressure gauge to test it.If pressure is low but wont change reading at end of hose where vacuum attaches could be damaged in side or cracked / torn hose. works for me check my trouble shooting guide click here kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4eTZpydq92nnM0

[@MrGlobaldave1]

A MISSING shoe spring was my problem! Not finding where you can just replace that part without having to buy the complete R & L arms! Let me warn all - HAYWARD will cost you $$$$$ to keep repairing every 2-3 years depending on use. They use TOO many parts and are proud of them! The 2 wheel Poolvergnuegen "THE POOL CLEANER" has been in my pool 7 years and NO repairs!! Does a great job on my pebble tech pool.

[@mbjdiy1778]

I have rule with these things ... if the repair by doing it all myself cost in parts over a hundred dollars get a new one.

[@kateemcclure5178]

Well I did everything in this video and nothing was amiss. Found a couple of small leaves and hoped that was the culprit...nope. Reassembled and it still just wants to go to the right. My Hayward is about 18 months old. Suggestions?

[@mbjdiy1778]

Hayward Pool Vac Troubleshooting manual section kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4eTZpydq92nnM0 or take to leslies they usually do free inspections 😇 hayward-pool-assets.com/assets/documents/pools/pdf/troubleshooting-guides/navigator-pool-vac-xl-troubleshooting-guide.pdf?fromCDN=true

[@robertgibson3351]

What do you recommend for a stuck screw? My right side one by the suction opening won’t budge and I don’t want to strip it out.

[@mbjdiy1778]

Go to leslies pool supplies they can get it out ..... or soak it with wd - 40 penetrate for a day with about 5 applications spread out through that period😇 my phrase for things is " eventually everything will break" so take your time give it your best shot

[@vegas1854]

Stupid question here, but how do you tell which side is the right and the left when you put the new wings on? They're labeled right and left, but we took the other wings off before we got the new ones during our diagnoses.

[@mbjdiy1778]

R and L stamped on inside of flap look at this site www.inyopools.com/HowToPage/how_to_repair_a_hayward_navigator_pool_cleaner_basic.aspx?CommentPage=1

[@RRL110]

The black main paddle on mine stops moving when I depress the rear foot pad so when its on the pool bottom the vacuum wont move. Any idea what the pad is doing to stop the paddle from turning?

[@mbjdiy1778]

Bearings , Turbine worn , are pretty common if you do not know what to look for ... Take it to Leslies they used to do free inspections then sell you the part or parts you need (call first about free inspection ) ... always use my $100.00 rule never spend more for fixing these things (can turn into a money pit) If need a new one I use Amazon comes with hose and everthing just make sure you know whick one you need vinyl , concrete , gunite, etc... www.amazon.com/Hayward-W32025ADC-PoolVac-Automatic-Cleaner/dp/B003LTVVD2/ref=sr_1_10?crid=10FOK74IP9665&keywords=hayward%2Bnavigator&qid=1652141253&sprefix=hayward%2Bnavigator%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-10&th=1&tag=coa_us-20 Works for me God bless😇

[@KhalilDarzi]

Awesome job

[@mbjdiy1778]

Thanks!👍😇

[@willisterlingamkennedy7536]

Is it possible to put the turbine in back wards it didn't snap in like in the video

[@mbjdiy1778]

There is a notch in the turbine bearings that must align with body seat notch turn till a click sound is heard may take several tries (try to stay calm very frustrating procedure take your time when closing body as shown on video) notch in this picture good luck- God bless- and you can do it -Works for me www.amazon.com/Hayward-AXV055P-Turbine-Bearings-2-Pack/dp/B0030J1PCA

[@willisterlingamkennedy7536]

Thank you mbj

[@hawkvolante4903]

My Navigator seems to work fine goes all over the pool turns left and right but after about 10 minutes the hose gets all twisted up brading itself, what causes that?

[@mbjdiy1778]

Hayward pool pump hose tangles up (kinked) during cleaning cycle kzbin.info/www/bejne/emKvZ5hug6xorqM Hope this helps Works for me and God bless

[@gittekrog-meyerholmen2223]

Easy to use and hold weight up to 300 lb

[@mbjdiy1778]

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[@msyrahtom]

Clear as mud.

[@mbjdiy1778]

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[@msyrahtom]

Pods? Turbine? Shoe ? Stuck spring? A-frame? Bearings? Wings? Cut rate, straight, good luck

[@mbjdiy1778]

Sure Tom ... I use the hundred dollar rule .... if it comes up to $100 to fix go buy a new one because the whole thing is about to go ... this is a tear down video for debris or basic maintenance to keep it going😇

[@scottlandb6579]

Wow sounds like someone’s going ape shit on the mouse in background -

[@mbjdiy1778]

Gamer grand kids , God bless