Hazbin Hotel Ideas were Garbage, and Here's Why [Part 3]

[@northybunny]

erm.. actually hazbin is good?? its called dark humour liberals

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

shit u got me

[@northybunny]

@@cassidyangelpuppy yeah i did now DLETE YOUR CHANNEL NOW!!! I HATE "whiskey heads"

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

@@northybunny I have no choice. I'm so sorry whiskeyheads... I'm deleting the channel... *wipes away tears*

[@northybunny]

@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha what makes you think i'm trolling? I'm really offended. you clearly aren't as passionate about hating Cassidy Whiskey as i am.

[@northybunny]

@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha I never said anything about the fandom and i dont need to mention cassidys video because im commenting on it. checkmate? 😹😹😹😹

[@minnac.9033]

The point abt Angel dust flanderization is 100% true. I heavily followed vivs work when I was an edgy 13 year old, and first draft Angel dust was a mobster who loved violence, drinking, and occasionally did drag for fun + was bisexual. over the years she’s fully watered down his traits till he’s just a gay sex addict who tells le funny sex joke all the time. I don’t even know when the pornstar aspect was introduced. All points to the writer having some sort of fetish as well as being bad at constructing characters 😭😭😭

[@scootie_scoot]

I really, really love his original character. He was witty and sleazy but also very queer. Even in the pilot you can see the remnants of that, but in the full show, he reads as more of a caricature.

[@minnac.9033]

@@scootie_scoot right me too !! I could really see him being used for comedy and drama in a better written show. I just wish viv had decided to write a more simplistic cartoon and didn’t even bother trying to cover anything as complex as making your character a literal sex slave since she’s such a bad writer 😭😭😭

[@Birdyboys]

@@DragonKingMadaraUchihawow dude you are just attacking everyone under every reply huh

[@coughidareyou3797]

​@DragonKingMadaraUchiha calm down buddy you seem a little heated💀

[@mittag983]

I would have kept Angel Dust as he was before but made him fall for Valentino's games and that he's only a forced sex worker and not a cornstar like his character before was so much cooler

[@pocky1624]

1:07:15 Apparently nifty died in the 50s but that doesn’t make it any better. The poodle skirt was a particularly American staple of 50s teenage fashion which means that nifty was most likely Japanese in America during ww2. That implies that she suffered in a Japanese interment camp and died of a post ww2 anti-Japanese hate. Which proves vivzie’s blatant ignorance and racism for the sake of “aesthetics” and her personal interests. It’s fine if you write a character with complicated backstories like that, I mean look at Angel dust he’s a queer drag performer in the 40s. But she literally admitted that she only made nifty Japanese because of the VA not even thinking about the domino effect that decision made on the character. As an asian person in the states of both east and southeast asian decent i’m disgusted when someone does things like this when they’re a weeb or koreaboo because it basically degrades us to just some cool archetype or quirky trait.

[@themonarchofbaddecisionmak1405]

The thing that confuses me about Hazbin is the lack of focus on backstories of the character’s lives before they were sent to hell and why they were sent to hell. Like it could very well show how messed up heaven is. Like, have Angel dust be a gangster out of desperation and use drugs as a way to cope. Have Nifty snap because of an abusive husband and she murders him. It could show how heaven, like our society, ignore why a person might be driven to sin and don’t know what led to them to that route

[@Iezepies]

Honestly I think they're really setting that up for the coming seasons. S1 arrives at the question 'what gets someone into heaven and how is that even justified' and theyve barely started to answer that question with 'fuck we don't actually know'. So I think s2 and onward will definitely dive into that more since it's the main theme of the show

[@Medidon94]

Charlie frustrates me because I can see the potential behind her. She should be one of the more interesting characters in the show. The princess of Hell choosing to redeem sinners against the will of both her father and Heaven. That's a story that intrigues me! Vivziepop made Charlie. Decided to make her the lead in her passion project, and then started hyperfocusing on Angel Dust instead of making Charlie an interesting or compelling character. I really think Vivziepop should have just made Angel the main character. It's his story we're following, his potential redemption on the line. Charlie feels like a side character in what should be HER story, and it's disappointing to say the least

[@cherryshoda4910]

​@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha Lol, where? She's barely present in her own story, she has no personality beyond 'naive' and 'nice', there's little depth to her, they force daddy issues onto her, which for the record aren't actual daddy issues and ignore the potential of her mother issues right there. She's not well written, she's cast to the side and underutilised. But, I would love to hear your side if you're willing to share it :]

[@Kye9842]

​@@DragonKingMadaraUchihaHow does a character having depth and having moral complexity when it comes to self defense = well written? Say, what about these traits *specifically* make her well written, given that this video has been about examining what her character is about and the decisions made relating to her across the series?

[@bluespectrum1348]

​@@DragonKingMadaraUchihaelaborate

[@Jdudec367]

I disagree, Charlie is pretty interesting and compelling with how innocent and naive she acts in contrast to everyone else in all of Hell and her being their princess too yet she still has faith in her plan, also her learning to be more of a leader in episode 7 and her standing up to Heaven in episode 6 were great moments for her character too. How did she hyperfocus on Angel Dust instead of making Charlie an interesting and compelling character? I though she was pretty great and got focus and was well...one of the more interesting characters in the show. I mean we are following multiple stories, Angel Dust's is a big one but it isn't the only one. I disagree, with Sir Pentious being redeemed and her hardwork and stand off against Adam it feels like her story tbh.

[@Jdudec367]

@@cherryshoda4910 Barely present? She is in all the episodes and helps get people like Pentious and Angel Dust become bettter people and it was primarily her who was fighting back against and pushing back against Adam who is the main antagonist of Season 1. She is daring brave (she always is willing to stand up for others) and has a pretty strong will to do what she does and also pretty passionate too clearly for her plan and what she loves but she also has some self doubt issues with how her dad doubts her and how many think her plan is ridiculous and how impossible it can seem. She clearly has a personality. No she has depth as I explained more with her character and personality, she also has learned to be a better leader and actually lead in episode 7 too. Being a absent negflectful dad? Sounds like Daddy issues really. And how do they ignore the potential of her mother issues? Lmao just because she calls her dad instead of her mom who they showed at the end of the season? Sounds like something is being set up there with her mom huh? Who is...chilling in heaven neglecting her...oh no maybe she does have mother issues and they aren't actually ignoring it and may be setting it up? Who knows. So I disagree she is well written and gets moments to shine like in episode 6 and 7 and 5 with her father and other episodes too and she really isn't underutilised.

[@stanisawjurek9775]

Hazbin hotel might be the first show so bad that every time someone makes a video talking about it they find a new set of cruicial flaws.

[@VelvetteSimp]

The only flaws I can get behind is the writing and pacing

[@eddie-roo]

@@VelvetteSimpso like, most of the actual structure of the show?

[@Jdudec367]

I feel like a lot of it has overlap complaints, aside from the writing and pacing I see complaints of characters like Angel, Adam, Alastor, Vaggie, etc.

[@CalipsaOrIsIt]

This and high guardian spice

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

The only great thing about this show was the soundtrack and that wasn’t even written by Vivziepop

[@papkinn]

Something worth pointing out is that Viv's shows were always very cowardly. In Helluva Boss half of the plot revolves around classism, slavery and monarchy yet the conclusion shows comes to is "monarchy good actually because yaoi" with one of the bad guys being working class Imp who tried to kill a monarch who just happens to be Madrano's writing darling. Similarly in Hazbin Hotel plot tries to comment on many things but in a way that doesn't break too much taboos for example - $ex work bad but it's Angel Dust's one and only personality trait so we can't change it or get him out of it, Christianity bad but um actually there's no God or Church and no *my* Christianity is not homophobic being gay is not a sin in our universe's religion, slavery bad but everyone is doing it duh buy Alastor merch where he holds Husk on a leash. At the end of a day Madrano is a coward wearing disguise of a rebel, she wants credit for being progressive, for "reclaiming hell for queers", for writing complex stories that comment on heavy topics but all she does is write on a level of a kid who's too scared they might get into trouble.

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

Queer people who have some religious ideas about the metaphysical aspects of reality aren’t the problem, what are you talking about?

[@Jdudec367]

Not really. Excuse me? So...if she is the coward and not you then surely you will explain HOW it says that Monarcy is good right? When it led to forced and uphappy marriages? And while Stolas may be a writing darling...it stil makes it clear that he is privileged and that monarcy isn't good. It breaks a lot of taboo and criticizes Heaven itself. It isn't saying all of Sex work is bad though and it isnt Angel Dust's one personality trait, he had personaly in episodes 6 and 8 and it wasn't sex work at all there. Them not showing God doesn't mean there's no God...seems like ALL your arguments about her being a coward is you making stuff up and making blind and often wrong assumptions...go figure. How is not homophobic? You sure about that? Yes slavery is bad and who is doing slavery? Terrible people in hell? Go figure, get better media literacy skills if you think that's a real argument there. And yeah...and while you are it buy lego sets of Darth Vader battling rebel soldiers lmao. She really isn't a coward at all and you're arguments haven't really proved how she is one, no she writes as an adult and criticizes Heaven and how arbitary it is.

[@papkinn]

​@@Jdudec367 Helluva Boss acts like working class shouldn't be mad at rich and privileged because "they have it hard too sometimes" and "some poor people are bad actually" what sounds like a strawman argument for the benefit of the rich. Thing is no matter how much of a victim Vivziepop will try to turn Stolas into at the end of a day his personal struggles will never be on same level as systematic discrimination especially when same problems in context of his wife or even his daughter are downplayed, ignored all together or even showcased as something they deserve bc one of them is evil and other goes in a way of a gay ship. Classism is not a "both sides problem" like HB writes it while making Blitzo police Striker about killing a monarch being just "too much" even tho murder is totally normal in hell, centrism is always side of the cowards and Vivziepop choose it.

[@Jdudec367]

@@papkinn Nah I feel like that itself is a strawman of what the show actually says, it doesn't say not to be mad at rich people especially when some villians are clearly rich or privileged and yeah...we see good and bad poor people too. It doesn't say it's on the same level though (although Blit doesn't have to deal with assassination attemps either). And hi wife issues aren't downplayed it just well...isnt that bad, and the daugher thing isn't downplayed when he constantly gets callled out for it. They aren't ignored either, and no Stella didn't "deserve" it but in context it happened cuz she never loved him and it was a FORCED MARRIAGE when she abused him but sure victim blame. And it never says what happeend with Octavia is ok but it doesn't even call out Stella as a parent either. HB doesn't make it a both sides issue though. Killing a monarch isn't too much...but is killing someone who isn't even that bad in Hell too much? Arguably. That's the thing..most people are really awful in Hell. So this isn't centrisim...it's just being concistent and sure make it about politics lmao but no centrisim isn't always the side of the cowards and Viv clearly isn't one herself.

[@hannahhannah7002]

You're right and you should say it louder

[@JorSweeds]

13:07 Every time you critique the show I slowly realize that these could have easily been solid character flaws Charlie needs to overcome to really help people. From the pilot to the series, all she thinks it gets to become a good person is to say “No it’s baaad🙁.” It would have been a great character development for her to slowly realize that the issue isn’t necessarily the actions of her friends but why they do it, Angel’s a drug addict and hypersexual person. Why? Because his boss assaults him on a daily basis and the drug is his only way to cope. Rather than see those pointless exercises, we would have seen Charlie grow out of her kid-core era focusing on making the Hotel a safe place and slowly gaining the trust of her patrons. A trust she’ll use to know more about them and fix their issues at the roots or at least find a better way for them to cope.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

exactly!

[@AZelene425]

Im in mourning of how much potential this show has wasted every single day in regards to its core themes, it stings

[@crealiv]

i really hope i don't get jumped for this but I feel like the way Viv and her team write certain characters betrays the fact that they might be painfully unaware of the complexities of privilege. Charlie in HH and Stolas in HB are both aristocrats who don't seem to be aware of how their privilege puts them systematically a leg above everyone else, and the writers don't seem interested in exploring that concept whatsoever. Fair warning, i'm about to be yapping up a storm down here: Stolas is written as an uwu baby sadboy when he's literally a prince who proposed a transactional relationship with someone who didn't have any other option if he wanted to keep his business running. Later on, he claims he has never looked down on his objectively lower-class partner, instead framing Blitz as "thinking so low of him" for claiming he does so, meanwhile the first season was riddled with moments of Stolas doing exactly that (maybe in a flirtatious/jokey kinda way but doing so regardless). He is completely unaware of how his privilege and his bad decisions have affected his relationship, but what makes it worse is that the writers don't seem to be aware of it either. So far all the fault has been placed entirely on Blitz (who, granted, isn't a perfect guy and has apparently been an asshole to many of his past partners), and not the guy who literally started this whole situation and then tried to go about changing it in the worst way possible. The writers are the ones who invented this whole class system, and yet they seem to forget the implications of different characters belonging to said classes except for when it suits them. They don't feel brave enough to deconstruct the natures of power and privilege, they just want to use their world's shallow classism as a backdrop for character drama. Then with Charlie, they just rinsed and repeated this "naïve aristocrat" problem, but on a much broader thematic level than an individual character moment level. Charlie being a princess doesn't really add much to the story apart from playing into her whole Disney-Princess motif. In fact, her being lower class would've made a LOT more sense - of course her hotel is failing and nobody listens to her, she doesn't have the resources that others do and her reach is incredibly finite. But instead, we have an incredibly upper class character (arguably the most upper class you can get in this universe outside of literally *The Devil* from *The Bible* lol) who doesn't seem to have access to the privilege or power her position would suggest, and if she does, that privilege is woefully unmentioned. It honestly makes sense to me why not many sinners want to go to the hotel - Being subjected to a redemption regiment designed by the literal princess of your world who has probably never struggled with whatever you have wouldn't feel liberating at all, it would feel condescending. Charlie being the one to lead the sinners to redemption is not a bad idea on paper, but by making her a princess they painted themselves into a really nasty corner full of the sanitized, liberal versions of oppression and revolution and, in a really ironic way, they made their "edgy and rebellious" story shockingly bourgeois. I honestly didn't mind Hazbin when I first watched it and I still don't exactly despise it, but the more I think about how hard they fumbled the opportunity that so many online creators dream of, the more it hurts

[@blackchickiedee7]

I can't speak on Stolas, but you hit the nail on the head with Charlie. Rant incoming: She doesn't come across as someone who genuinely cares for her people and wants to see them do and be better but instead as you said, someone who is privileged and taking on others struggling as some kind of project. Instead of having "daddy issues" she could have been someone who seeks validation through pleasing others, or learning how to be a better leader/role model not out of wanting to win brownie points with the lower class, but taking action in a stance on something she believes in. Charlie says she wants to see others do better BUT where are her actions to back up that claim? Alastor practically does what he wants, even if it means commiting heinous acts AT THE HOTEL for REDEMPTION, and she does NOTHING to intervene. Where are the stipulations? "Hey, you can help me with my hotel but you can't make deals with anyone nor cause harm." In turn now you have Alastor to play with because he can't resort to violence or deal makings if he wants to stay for free entertainment. Heck, she is the Princess, even before the hotel she has resources and financial support to maybe open up shelters or havens for new comers to hell, for the exterminations. I don't know why the writers and everyone in this universe acts like she can't do more. That's even something else that could have been explored, that sinners don't support/respect her because she doesn't understand them. Not "haha F you because we are bad and you sing" I for one, am highly disappointed because HH could have been more than just "YOU'RE A lOsEr bAbY, a lOsEr !!!"

[@Party-Rocker007]

Also Blitzo is canonically a POC and Stolas is canonically white. A rich white man sexually abuses and harasses a poor POC and says shit like "My book isn't supposed to be lent out to itsy bitsy (Insert race here) like yourself" and also he has servents that he abuses that are the same race as said POC and the story frames the white guy as the victim because the POC is kinda a dick despite being in a world where everyone is a dick

[@toyosibee.mp3]

@@crealiv the HellaVerse really crumbles into pro-aristocratic drivel the moment you think about the characters and the world for more than a second

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

Charlie treats sinners like children in a preschool and doesn’t really focus on each individuals flaws, getting a person to see their own flaws and get them to change their ways is how you redeem someone not putting them in a preschool environment.

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

I was told by my sister if your to write a story you plan a beginning, middle and end before you write your story, a draft if you will.

[@hyderflayer]

for all of your criticisms, tbh the worst hell i can imagine is going to hell and then having to go do some bullshit like work in a matchstick factory for the rest of time

[@ryszakowy]

who the fuck fixes all the damage they are doing to buildings there who put them there in the first place

[@giantratdatmakesalldarulez]

My one critique of this video is the reason people call Alastor bad black representation is because Viv explicitly stated that he was from New Orleans and half Creole which was clearly a half assed attempt to dodge criticism of Alastor's appropriation of voudou symbols. She dug that hole for herself

[@blackchickiedee7]

Right, I looked back into Alastor's first draft of designs and there's no indication of him being mixed or using vodou. Maybe I'm reaching but it seems like she wanted Alastor to practice but he was white, and when criticism was received she said okay fine, he'll be half white so I can still get away with it. It comes across as disingenuous. Like no, you don't get inclusive brownie points just cause, especially when Alastor barely uses it or properly practices in the show

[@ConfusedMoon-yd2bx]

He was always creole apparently even in the one canceled series he originated from.

[@Jdudec367]

Nah he could have always been have creole really not really a half assed attemp to dodge criticism of Alastor and he doesn't appropriate voudou symbols. Not really, Alastor's character is fine really/

[@giantratdatmakesalldarulez]

@@ConfusedMoon-yd2bx Incorrect. The earliest she stated that he was half creole was on stream in 2020, after the release of the pilot. In the past she would always draw Alastor as white, which he clearly was supposed to be because he has literally zero black features. He was drawn like a white man because he was a white man until after the pilot came out and he got in hot water for the voudou symbols

[@ConfusedMoon-yd2bx]

@@giantratdatmakesalldarulez weird then.

[@MilannesaNapolitana]

There's nothing worst than a rebel without a cause, Charlie is the definition of a person posting "fight for freedom, fight the capitalism" in a MAC while drinking a capuccino in starbucks

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

absolutely, well said

[@Jdudec367]

Her cause is her people, she is trying to help them out, as Princess she rules over over them after all and changing them into better people is a form of helping them out.

[@Ich_Bin_Clover]

​@@Jdudec367 I find you everywhere lmao

[@bread5384]

@@Jdudec367Yet she does a shitty job but the show portrays her as competent

[@Jdudec367]

@@Ich_Bin_Clover Eh....do you?

[@havenm6181]

I'm SO glad someone mentioned the "not have sex before marriage" line. No one else really seemed to have pointed that out. They set up the narrative that Charlie is naïve and puritan and positive to a toxic degree, to the point where you think they're going to write it to where her inner world and morals come crashing down, but it just never goes anywhere. They keep glorifying Charlie to the plot's detriment.

[@fitzclaircharron3502]

I think I cracked Hazbin Hotel. It's not a story about morality or redemption, that's all nonsense that was meant to sell the actual show to the suits. The *real* show is straight up a high school clique allegory straight out of 2005. Vivziepop trojan horsed My Immortal into the A24 coffers. All you gotta do is realize the "violence" is largely slapstick aesthetic that happens to unnamed background characters. It's fake stakes. You can just swap it out for... muggings or whatever. Hell is just the bad side of town, and Heaven is the rich side of town. This is why they look/function the same outside of color palette. The main cast are basically just teenage goths, hanging out in their dilapidated warehouse, drinking cheap liquor they stole, smoking cigarettes, cussing and making sex jokes. This is why the characters are largely vanilla sexually, and why characters like Angel Dust's entire schtick comes off as romanticized trauma. The purges aren't people dying, not really, they're just the preppies from the rich side of the city slumming it and harrassing poor people (especially goths) for fun. Adam is just the stereotypical Ivy League, silver spoon frat boy who thinks throwing bricks at goth kids' heads is funny. He has his lackies who think it's fun too. This is why it's revealed that most of Heaven doesn't know about the "purges". It's a bunch of rich kids showing the goths "their place" which isn't approved of in polite society. Lucifer is just a rich guy who got kicked out of the HOA/country club. He just lives on the shitty side of town, but he's the richest guy there. It's why his "strained" relationship ends up being him seeing his teenage goth daughter hanging out in a run down movie theater playing with a bunch of surly kids dressed incredibly goofy. Vaggie was a member of the preppies who used to beat up goths until she hesitated and they kicked her out of their clique. It explains the dumbass writing choices regarding heaven. Angels (rich people) don't have problems because they live in the nice side of town. Nobody really knows what got them into Heaven (the nice side of town) besides they haven't thought about it, diagetically or in the writer's room. It's just dopey. "The preps better watch out cuz we're gonna fight BACK next time they come to town." It feels like a shit version of The Outsiders.

[@blackchickiedee7]

Funny you mention that because a lot of people have made the correlation that Heaven/hell is really GTA or a high schooler's version of Gotham

[@hp8167]

For me Hazbin Hotel was not enough Hotel. The show was so focused on the Heaven issue and the eventual battle between the two sides rather than the rehabilitation aspect. Which is my main issue with the way Vivziepop writes the shows, the premise largely gets left behind and the show starts to focus elsewhere. We saw this with Helluva Boss focusing less and less on the hits and workplace drama aspect, which was the most interesting part of the pilot for me. I wish the plot had leaned towards more nuance with the heaven thing too. Less "Heaven is bad because they're killing sinners and don't want us to ascend to heaven" and more "sinners can't ascend because that is a personal choice they need to make for themselves. You need to make a conscious effort to do better and rehabilitation can get them through that process." Similar to how "The Good Place" worked with the main cast actually attending philosophical talks with Chidi, I wish we had actually gotten to see Charlie sit down and talk or actively challenge the sinners mindsets and tell them to, above all, choose themselves then the show could have had something clever to say. I feel like the efforts to have group activities were largely played for a joke, and I get that it's a comedy...but you can be sincere and fun. I feel like stories that have the "Wuh-oh heaven is bad" take tend to go down a road of making them irredeemable but not in an interesting or compelling way which sucks as its an interesting subversion when done right. The show has potential, and nothing agitates me more than wasted potential, it just needs clear focus. And I understand that Amazon gave them a limited number of episodes and seasons, but I feel like knowing that beforehand should have lead to a reworking of the plot or otherwise creative solution rather than just trying to cram as much into the season.

[@mirzafigueiredo2749]

The owner of the video and most of the comments don't want an interesting subversion, they just want an evil, tyrannical, one-dimensional Heaven to validate their anger against religion, they're complaining that Heaven "isn't evil enough". 🙄 As for the number of episodes, I don't think that justifies the lack of pacing of the series. Viv was given the amount of time she had to tell her story and, instead of selecting themes to create a good narrative, she crammed everything into an 8-episode series because she was unable to leave out ideas. I know it hurts when we can't show all our ideas, but it's better to sacrifice some to create a memorable story than to make a series that is just a presentation of interesting concepts but without a good story to go with them.

[@JeremyWoollen]

The final episode is just the whitebread summit war but written poorly

[@eddie-roo]

A thing I noticed about heaven in HH is that in the song “welcome to heaven” it is mentioned that everyone is hot. Heaven is almost if not exclusively comprised of young muscular men, twinky men and thin women all with fairly gender conforming attire, able bodied, most pretty light skinned and very few if any with non-white features like textured hair. Why aren’t old people, beefy women, fat people, gnc people, disabled people and POC considered “hot” in this world? Why are the only “hot” people just conventionally attractive? Why is that line even there in the first place? Does everyone who dies and goes to heaven become “hot” or do only “hot” people go to heaven? This would’ve been a great opportunity to show multiple body types and gender expressions being considered hot, but since they didn’t do that, the line “and everyone is hot” has very uncomfortable implications.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

absolutely agreed

[@Jdudec367]

I mean...no we see people like Emily and Sera who are POC and some of the background characters are more thicker, so we have those but old people and disabled people??? Are you really saying people who die in life would be disabled in the afterline in heaven what? That sounds like you are just trying to look for a problem that really isn't here. Old people not being there I get as valid criticism although perhaps in Heaven you can change your age appearance.and gnc people? There may have been some there in Heaven, you never know for sure, "gender comforing attire" doesn't say or confirm what all their genders are and it's not even all gender comforting either. Eh...they aren't all coventionally attractive. The line is there to advertize how "ideal" Heaven is. When you die and go to heaven if Heaven is paradise then you can become your "ideal" version of yourself to make it feel like paradise. I disagree, just because they didn't you know...waste more screen time exploring that when it isn't even plot important that doesn't mean the implications are that bad. The only issue I see is there not really being any old people really.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

i would seriously be so mad if my didability was removed in heaven and i think its dehumanising to imply disabled people would be "improved" in heaven or that a perfect heaven has no disabled people, the same as saying disabled people are imperfect. theres an angel with a wheelchair in Good Omens. stop settling for less you deserve better! :)

[@eddie-roo]

@@cassidyangelpuppy exactly! A paradise would be accessible, not disabled-free. Disabilities often become core essential parts of an individual’s identity so much so they wouldn’t be able to see themselves without them.

[@Jdudec367]

@@cassidyangelpuppy hm....I guess in Heaven it depends on what the person wants then. Like maybe some disabled people would want it gone in Heaven and then others would want it kept. like I mean IRL obviously if Mr Beast was any indication many blind people would take the chance to cure their blindness if they could. And I'm not saying they would be "improved" in heaven but in Heaven you could change your appearance I mean Saint Peter in Hazbin is a good indicator of that since he lived to be old.

[@artistanthony1007]

If Viv wants me to believe THIS is adult and mature, I need to see it because this official show feels more kiddy than adult, nobody actually feels evil especially Val, I cant take that man child seriously.

[@ryszakowy]

but they swear a lot and lame sex jokes and everyone's gay oh right that's what children think "mature" is

[@MarxistMomentum]

You were able to compile all of the problems of this show in a 6 hour long three part series, and I'm only surprised that it's only 6 hours.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

You will be happy with this video comrade its more marxist than any previous

[@th7298]

that's got to be awful considering Hazbin Hotel lasts about half of that

[@elmascapo6588]

​@@cassidyangelpuppydude, defending a bounch of homophobic turks ain't really "marxist" Unless you want to go to the original roots of the kraut writter. Which would make far more sense, considering old karl's opinion of the jews and homosexuals

[@eddie-roo]

@@elmascapo6588homophobic Turks? When we’re Turks ever mentioned?

[@Mu-vm4ij]

Thank you so much for talking about Palestine. I remember being attacked by many die hard fans for saying to please not watch hazbin on amazon but support the free bilibili upload or pirate because it was a pressure target. (It says on the BDS said to avoid Amazon for /non essential/ purchases.) me and my friends were also attacked for trying to educate on the misuse of voodou. Many people told us “it’s not even a real religion” or even “it is evil black magic” she likes tweets from a white Cajun who do not practice defending her calling it “southern magic” ignoring the many Louisiana Creole and hatians who were upset. Thank you so much for bringing up the racism. It has been so exhausting as an African American screaming into the void trying to educate people that no actual, voodou isn’t evil and that it being a closed religion is not comparable to Christians demonizing homosexuality (yes, someone straight up tried to tell me closing a practice from non black people is the same as banning homosexuality.) thank you thank you thank you!

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I don't deserve your thanks I am a woman of the people! Much love to you for educating others yourself even when you were attacked for it. I have a full other video on my channel about Palestine and a few others on political topics if you're interested -- upcoming soon will be a video discussing demolitions of public housing in my city.

[@rustyshackleford234]

What about East Turkistan? Nobody cares about that imperialist genocide.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I'd love to watch the video you'll make on the subject :)

[@rustyshackleford234]

@@cassidyangelpuppy me? My comment is gone lmao

[@SammyRobinson62232]

@@DragonKingMadaraUchiha 2:18 I don’t think that’s a basement. Also what are we in kindergarten. If you’re going to insult somebody. Don’t make insults people been saying for the last 30+ years

[@DustyMusician]

1:10:24 Husk is also an antiblack stereotype and an old one at that (the most dodgeable kind!). The early American film industry loved portraying black people as naturally lazy, prone to drinking, and easily enticed by gambling (specifically by dice) and she made the one character voiced by a black man a gambling drunk who can't be assed to do anything around the hotel. Cool show 🙃

[@STRSHT]

Im a tad bit confused so do educate me plus i need to know this because im African American and should know these things. How does her having a black voice actor portray a character who has a gambling addiction, automatically mean she’s racist. Are you saying that any black character who is portrayed as someone with a gambling addiction , is automatically just a way to be racist. There are black people who are addicted to gambling just like in every other race. But i think I get a little of what you’re saying about “early American Film Industry.” I guess my main questions are , Does portraying a black character as someone with a gambling addiction automatically racist (despite being a real world thing) ?, Are you thinking the creator thinks of it in the same way you do , and therefore did it on purpose showcasing her racism ?

[@zeleeba8774]

Husk is of Russian origin, he is not black, stop crying leftist. Hazbin has a leftist agenda, but even bigger leftists find racism or other shit here.

[@zeleeba8774]

​@@STRSHT Husk is not even black, he is of Russian origin.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

Husk is voiced by Keith David and Hazbin does not have a leftist agenda it has a liberal agenda.

[@ginogatash4030]

I dunno if it's fair to say he's an anti black stereotype, the stereotipical traits and race of the voice actor coincide but it's taken seriously as a tragic backstory and character flaw that is at least supposed to be explored rather than a "ha ha blackman bad!" Gag like you'd see in those early films. Also it's debatable if not outright unlikely whether Husk is even meant to be black coded or not in the first place since Vivienne and most subsequent fanart depict his human form as a white guy, and he doesn't even have an ebonics accent to further drive the stereotype so it doesn't come across as her intending for him to be black. Viv messes up a lot with poor research and just being careless in general, but I dunno if it's fair to put this black stereotype thing on her, at least not on an intentional level but then again most shit here seems to have confused intent.

[@mew9266]

Your last section of the video, as a queer and trans (and maybe autistic) 15 year old who's obsessed with their OC's, was very moving. I have my own story, a very convoluted one with tons of world building and characthers that i want to make into a project. I've always been aware of how unrealistic it is. I know it probably won't be my magnum opus...But i enjoy thinking about it. Even if it never becomes a big project like i want it to, that is okay. In the end, I'm just an amateur teen writing and having fun. And I find your teen self very relatable.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I am so glad you understand

[@mew9266]

@@cassidyangelpuppy Thank you :,3

[@SodaFrizz666]

As a fellow writer, I believe in you! You can do anything you set your heart to Tiny Creative!!!

[@dcsf1]

I've been trying for years to get My story projects made, but I always felt I could make them better. So thinking more about what I could change and with some friends' help, I now have them well defined in My mind. I hope you get to make your project a reality, wish you good luck with it!

[@mew9266]

@@dcsf1 Thank you! i really appreciate every comment i get, it makes me feel more seen :'3 Good luck with your projects!!

[@yuukianimates3318]

I think Viv is just a terrible immature writer and didn't think any of this through which kind of made it look like shes a liberal and stuff which I'll give her the benefit if the doubt that her writing was so bad it made her look like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if maybe she was.

[@calliepancakes]

the confessional segment hit me harder than i could've ever expected from a youtube video. as someone who has held onto a long-bloated story concept for around a decade trying to make it into something, ANYTHING, hearing you talk about having trouble killing your darlings and things of that nature really resonated with me. fantastic review, very well done!

[@d_alistair-years]

Despite not seeing the show in full and only seeing it in clips or when other videos use episodes as examples, it got me suspicious thanks to not only its specific audience but its presentation of themes. Then I looked up the author and read about her religious background and it all made sense. This show comes off as the typical Tumblr user: a privileged, white, middle-class, closeted, North American teen living in the suburbs of a small, conservative town, who probably had a progressive awakening when their family made a homophobic comment one day. So when they manage to break free from that environment, they think they are allies to other causes but have massive internalised issues that when caught being bigoted, they hide behind being a minority as well, so they can’t possibly be as bad as their family. It’s not surprising to me that Tumblr latched onto this show and fight anyone indifferent to it. Ten years ago, they’d’ve written fanfiction of Hasbin’s group meeting the Hamilton cast - Miku binder and all. Your video has helped contextualise everything and has confirmed I wasn’t seeing things. Also, I’ve noticed this a lot: American media’s obsession with writing about Hell is weird. And it rarely has anything to say about morality or what determines ultimate sin outside of the obvious “don’t be a serial killer” type and whether what the Bible says is literal or metaphorical in its teachings. It’s things like “Maybe God is too strict” or “Hell is cool, actually” or they humanise the devil by making him a handsome, smug wisecracker. It’s very edgelord as if to annoy the rule evangelist who lives next door.

[@SodaFrizz666]

This comment puts into words what I've been trying to say for months- in terms of this show's Tumblr-focused writing style. It's weird how fanfic-y it is and the fact that so many point out that exact same sentiment

[@SammyRobinson62232]

An idea I have for the show is that if they really wants to show Heaven messed up nature (and this is coming from a Christian btw) Tw:bullying and sucide How about create a character that’s in hell for unaliving themselves and that’s all they did. Like have them be a early or late teen who’s has a history of being bullied with the school system and even their parents not doing anything and just making up excuses “It’s build character” they say “You’re just sensitive” their voice had an annoyed tone “This is what happened for not being normal” they spat So the character in question took their life as they had no way out. And that’s really it. They’re a good but flaw person that was mess over by the system. And to hit the nail on the coffin one of their bullies who died of a car accident or something like that. They get to stay in Heaven. I think that what season 1 of the show could be about. As they start to ask the question - does somebody deserve to be in hell for just un a-living themselves and that’s really it - why is the bully in Heaven if he cost the life of somebody. Did they redeemed themselves by becoming a better person or did they double down and doesn’t care and actually enjoy what they did - How does the character accepts that they’re in hell and have them question their own faith I just thought of this idea since I thought it’ll be interesting to explore the concept of how suicided is treated in religion mostly in Christianity (coming from a Christian myself) But then again this is Hazbian hotel so they might’ve easily fucked it up. Also no I haven’t dealt with bullying or thought about taking my own life. I just thought it’ll be an interesting concept for a season one of Hazbian Hotel instead of this Great War season with like a hundred character. And yes they’ll still focus on Angle Dust. Like just focus on those two and the people in the hotel. As the two are trying to get redeemed though in their own way while comparing and contrasting them But hey I’m a 15 year old and not a professional writer.

[@mittag983]

rare gen alpha w (seriously you're smart asf)

[@SammyRobinson62232]

@@mittag983 Thx. I just thought of the idea since it’s seems like a lot of students (especially those who doesn’t fit into the status quo either because they’re queer, poc, doesn’t fit into gender norms while still being straight and so on) will get bullied and become outcast. And I get so annoyed when authority figures act like it isn’t a problem or even defend it. Like y’all say protect the kids but when it kids that doesn’t fit into y’all narrative aka trans students and stuff like that. Y’all just ignore or even demonized them to hell and back. And it’s just so frustrations and disheartens to see. And I thought that’ll be a cool idea for people to relate too even if they’re not trans or gay or something like that. And just a person who doesn’t fits into the status quo

[@blackchickiedee7]

Wanna know the crazy thing? Vaggie, was at first, suppose to be a mortal sinner who took her own life. She had a whole backstory of unaliving herself who had a deep rooted mistrust of men with a Hispanic background to go along with it. But, for some reason she got changed to being an ex-terminator...🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

[@elmascapo6588]

​@@SammyRobinson62232the problem is that they accidentallymade Heaven good when it was confirmed in the show that Adam got to heaven because he deserved it, not because of "angelic nepotism" So, the bar ends up being bellow the floor and Adam is 100% right in killing the sinners.

[@8onnie8oyz]

I think that was original Vaggie's character before Vivziepop changed it to "Angel without her wings." Try checking out Ayy LMAO's past videos about Vaggie.

[@AlexMourning5635]

Since you brought up the overpopulation in this part, I have so many questions. Supplementary material from the wiki, but: human sinners aren't allowed into 8/9 parts of Hell, by the hell-born's demand they're only allowed in the Pride ring. Is overpopulation an issue in the Pride ring alone, or are hell-borns bursting at the seams in other rings? What are the boundaries of this world, why can't it expand if there's magic? Does magic rebuild the world, like Lucifer does in the finale, and does magic supplement the food/drugs? Why does anyone want for anything then? The angels aren't allowed to krill hell-borns for some reason, so are hell-borns overpopulating and the humans are being punished for it? Is that the punishment for being sinners? Sounds like a get-out-of-hell-free-card for not repenting or w/e. Overpopulation "in hell" (why do they keep saying in hell and not just in the pride ring??) is treated as a tangible Thing™by the series, but where and why is it an issue? I whole-heartedly agree, Charlie fell for a conspiracy that shouldn't even exist.

[@samiamtheman7379]

Even "overpopulation" in Hell is something from the pilot (aka supplemental material) that's never stated in the actual show. Yeah, people often say that Charlie does this to "solve Hell's overpopulation problem" when the stated reason in the show is preventing rebellion.

[@MarxistMomentum]

The moment I started Hazbin Hotel I was getting major liberal anti working class sentiments. Charlie is the liberal savior politician that is the only one who can save the evil lower class of society who are too evil/stupid to help themselves. It's the same thing as in Steven Universe, where the only way the lower class could possibly revolt is with a member of the upper royal class guiding them. Honest, that alone makes me hate this show.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

Absolutely true comrade, this anti-working class sentiment isn't helped by so much of the cast being minorities in hell!

[@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012]

what in the name of satan are you even talking about?

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Viv seems to fetishise the rich and powerful. Just look at Stolas and the Sins.

[@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012]

@@PlanetZoidstar i don't see it

[@Dojafish]

Woah yall be making everything up just to justify yall hatreds of show.

[@AngelFace1991]

What I don't get is everyone laughs at Charlie for wanting to rehab sinners, but according to Helluva Boss they already have rehab centers in hell.

[@FigiFigaro]

your confessional is genuinely very reletable and somewhat moving(?) for a 17yo autistic teenager soon to be 18. youve just found the exact term i was struggling to do and execute when i write myself despite not being a writer, just a guy of whos obsessed with their OCs of who's has the paracosms of world buildings really based off their hyperfixations (skullgirls, captian lazerhawk, history and even a bit of GTA) and games as well, and when i try to write something it feels cringy to me in a way or incomplete in a delusional standpoint. I was always interested in learning about media and its execution to its themes. and in a way, i feel like jts a part to maturing even if it feels scary for me. sorry if it's a bit incomprehensible, had to vent a bit after fully watching your video

[@crowe7755]

I remember first watching HH I was studying 1984 in school and I noted a lot of similarities between Orwell’s depiction of the Prole class to Medrano’s depiction of the randoms in hell so I’m very happy someone also saw the connection w Orwell!! Other than that ur HH videos have been really inspiring to me as a young writer, and as someone who’s just made up a bunch of silly stories as a form of escape and is trying to make something tangible out of them. I’m definitely taking everything said in these videos on board. You’re clearly very talented and full of ideas so I hope you give writing a story another try when you’re up to it! It sounds like you’re somewhat harsh on yourself for indulging in your ideas so much but I feel like that indulgence is a part of the story writing process. You’re not gonna immediately come up with the perfect message for a perfect story, but the important part of the process is learning to trim down the fat for a product you can be proud of at the end. It’s definitely the hardest part and it’s why a lot of writers like Medrano fail, but I think not allowing yourself the reigns even if it does get out of hand is also a caveat to the story you want to tell. But I’m just young and rambling so maybe I’ve just been doing it wrong idk. But yeah great videos! You should be proud of yourself for analysing HH in such depth, whilst also applying it to your own work and figuring out what you’d like to stand for in ur own writing, it takes a lot to go back and analyse your mistakes, so you must really care about your craft. It’s also great to see content creators covering issues like Palestine and why it’s so important, and how being careless towards social issues can negatively impact a piece of work. Tldr well done sorry for the tangent

[@bubblycups]

The amount of comments breezing over the racism part of your video is so funny to me. Alastor is Viv's way to appropriate an already demonized religion in the name of aesthetics. Him being mixed Creole was only "confirmed" after she received backlash from Vodou practioners for using sigils willy nilly. It's crazy to me how much people will just walk over black people's concerns on how we or our practices are portrayed in shows just because it "looks cool". It's especially maddening when you have that one "I'm black and i think its ok-" that people will rally behind as their shield against criticism. One person does not match the majority and 9/10 times the person isn't even black. "Oh but you can portray art anyway-" not when its a religion you have no right to claim over and proceed to push already negative beliefs about the religion. Because what does that say about you? That you'll do anything as long as its pretty? Art doesn't need to always some deep meaning to be art, but if the art in question is doing more harm than good than it is senseless. "Oh but it's ok to use crosses and not sigils-" not only is just respecting someone's religious beliefs a basic sign of decency, no matter how much you disagree with it, Christianity is even the main reason why Vodou is so heavily villainized and bastardized because it was seen as "unholy". For the simple fact either it's followers refused to be forced into the religion or because it was not of Christ. Do not pretend as if the two are in any way shape or form the same in terms of oppressive power in history. Viv is not Creole or black , no one on her crew is or are even practitioners of Vodou to be using it in their show. Any real practitioner would heavily advise using it, no one gives a fck about the Cajun lady who apparently told y'all she practiced Vodou so that it was fine. If one is not of African descent or invited you into the religion, one has no dictation over how it is to be portrayed or used if one is trying to defend its poor representation. Another point is people's insistence of "but how can they have race, they're demons-". Race coding is a thing. Any media with inhuman or humanoid characters you have ever consumed has characters who are based on different races and ethnicities. This can be through speech, mannerisms, cultural references etc. Viv fails so hard at this because as OP has said, she only has one character. I've said on a previous video that majority of her characters are white, no matter how grey or dark ther unnatural skintone is. You would have no indication Alastor or Velvet are black aside from Viv's half assed excuse of him being Creole and Velvet being shown to have 4c hair in the finale. Her humanoid characters have little to no ethnic features to distinguish them from their white counterparts. Which is astounding because she has had POC characters in helluva boss, but again i can't stay surprised too long because those were designed by other artists and not her. The comments complaining about your racism portion of the video are either white people who have little concept of racism outside of "dark skin color bad" or POC who are in denial and both are all about "don't make this political ☝️🤓" I love your critiques of the show and appreciate you bringing up these issued instead of saying it's not that bad.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

thank you for your perspective, it was eye opening for issues I hadn't noticed myself! Long comments like this really feel like people see me and what I'm doing and engage with their whole brains. I'm glad I have viewers like you who dont just watch, but think about the video and even teach me a thing or two!

[@blackchickiedee7]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Thank you!! You win comment of the year!! I see microaggressive comments all the time, mostly about Alastor. From "They're dead, skin tone doesn't matter" or "I don't like Alastor being black" not only are you saying the POC audience doesn't matter or is under valued but you're making it okay to have characters be white washed and misrepresented. We shouldn't be having this conversation in 2024 but here we are as if people don't interact with others who don't look like them 🙃 it's sad that people who even have a problem with the show don't address the elephant in the room, because they don't want get yelled at by whiny HH fans. And I love how people and Viv justify Alastor's fairer shade because he was "white in passing" apparently. Okay, mixed doesn't equate to white washing 😅 fans are literally making him white and want to pull the "He's mixed so that means-" No, stop. If Viv wanted to make Alastor white, she should have done so instead of appropriating a religious practice and then back peddle by saying "Okay he's mixed!" That's why Alastor's design is a problem, no one is trying to police how he's suppose to look but the creator was disingenuous about his design and instead of apologizing and doing research, she did the bare minimum to cover her tracks. Especially when other artists portray him in a better representation. This fandom is full of ignorant and racist individuals and with that recent blackface post it was the final nail on the coffin. This show and its creator are full of problems that go beyond "not enough episodes" but people wanna disregard it because "yay sOnGs and pReTtY colors !!!" HH seriously needs to be cancelled

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

this video is blocked in south korea lol

[@iadorecatsandsnakes7369]

Why?

[@kharijordan6426]

​@@iadorecatsandsnakes7369 For speaking American English.

[@EdricCoconut]

​@@kharijordan6426 Only New Zealand English allowed in South Korea

[@joosoo]

​@@EdricCoconutIt's ok, as a South Korean, we just use vpn 💀

[@SardonicKay]

Lmao this is so random 😭

[@AlexMourning5635]

I have some friends who have adored HH and have been following it for some time pre-production, and I'm debating sending your series to them. They have some rose-tinted glasses with Vivz's work, and I don't blame them! They're allowed to like what they do, and I'm worried pressing too hard on that love will shatter everything they like about it. They enjoyed it, but when I brought up basic things like "why was Lilith punished for doing nothing, and Adam is in heaven", to which all I received was "the church hates women". That on it's own made me shut my mouth because I realized we weren't on the same level of understanding each other. We need better queer rep and this show is sadly the closest we have to loud representation *right now. But it's also damaging to the community in it's own way and has so many undertones of someone not understanding the story they're writing. It's painfully clear no one did their research and focused on pop-culture's understanding of Christianity. Which is fine, if you're a beginner writer. Viv isn't a beginner at this point and has had years upon years of feedback to refine her work that she hasn't taken in stride at all. Mixing the snake being Lucifer (Paradise Lost) with the rings of hell (Dante's Inferno) with Lilith (from Jewish religion, though she's first mentioned in a Sumerian epic poem, Gilgamesh and the Huluppu-Tree, and technically Lilith might just be a type of she-demon not one specific person, thanks Google) shows that Viv is being inspired by other sources, but she isn't looking into the details or meaning of those stories. Lilith wasn't punished just for not submitting to Adam's will, she was punished for getting down with the *archangel Samael* (who isn't necessarily Satan though is often conflated to be him later in the mythos, fyi. Lucifer =/= Satan). Samael would have been inflnitely more interesting as an antagonist too! He's considered an angel of death, a bringer of destruction, to an extent an angel that brings humans to a pond of sin to see if they will drink from it's waters. He's still not a snake though, he's represented via a camel. He helped engineer Adam's and Eve's sin by getting the serpent to convince them. (This past paragraph brought to you by Wikipedia) But.... Pop culture has Lilith falling in love with Lucifer, so she must have that for her series. Pop culture has Lucifer being a snake, so she must include that. However, changing the fruit of knowledge to an apple of free-will.... Viv, how did Eve make the choice to eat the apple? How did anyone have free will?? The original sin was choosing to defy God's will (which I have my own qualms about, and part of why I left the church). Evil didn't enter earth from some third world and grip it's nasty hands on humanity, humans were always capable of it but part of the faith is choosing to abstain from the temptations of sin. I wish I could explain to my friends my thoughts on this show. Even though I haven't watched it (thank you youtube commentators, and especially Cassidy Whiskey). I stopped watching helluva boss because it was too... idk, yaoi-esque? Fifty-shades/Twilight adjacent? It feels like reading those banned shrink-wrapped smut mangas that you know are problematic and just fantasy but can't put down. It's soft-core in anything it tries to do, it's never addressing anything more than what it's outright telling you and resets at the end of the episode. It wants to be dramatic with it's hierarchies, but actively ignores anything pertinent about the character's status until it's convenient. It started to ignore the premise of the show almost immediately and focused on bending over backwards to make Stolas and Blitz a "cute couple" while ignoring the problems the fans actually had with the ship.

[@AlexMourning5635]

Adding on cause some of it didn't fit. Thank you for your breakdown on some of the r@cism. I didn't even know Nifty is meant to be Japanese. Nor did I really get anyone's nationality. Nothing about the characters stated race plays into the story or really makes sense. And ignoring marginalization isn't a good thing when the premise of the show is combating prejudice!! I've heard from BIPOC creators that they really dislike Alastor being half-black and feel it was an excuse to let him use a closed practice. And I don't disagree! Before I started deconstructing some of my own privilege, that is sadly something I would have done too. Changing someone to fit the bill doesn't make the issue magically better, mostly because his race wasn't the issue. It was the inclusion of the symbols and practice to begin with! I can't help but question how far I'd be down the same rabbit-hole Viv has gone down if my own story ever took off. Once I sat down and started thinking about the story elements, it really helped to pull out and realize "these are characters I have control over, not people who have concrete backgrounds and set stories". I feel you when you talk about your paracosms. I personally have struggled with maladaptive daydreaming and I don't think I'll ever let go of it fully, so struggling with which world is real sometimes really resonated with me.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

Great comment, I like your analyses. I think pushing something like this on your friends can strain a friendship. Let them enjoy it for the sake of being friends and maybe you can show them shows you'd consider to be better or similar but trust me trying to tell someone something they like is bad just makes them feel bad haha. Anyway, I liked your comment so thank you :)

[@AlexMourning5635]

@@cassidyangelpuppy Thank you! If and/or when they start questioning the show I might recommend your series (I personally love rewatching/re-listening to these). I appreciate the work you've done on this and am so excited to watch whatever you do going forward!!

[@lunarlunar9405]

Didn't she say he was half black on Twitter though? I'm being serious after people dogged on her for using voodoo symbols she said he was half creole half black to defend herself, people aren't wrong for getting mad at alastor for not looking black, he wasn't always intended to be black but vizie has changed him to be such after backlash, ergo, he should look black now (sorry for this comment I just. Know vizie lore sadly)

[@Volvagia1927]

36:04: Late, but: Assuming we can still take that song as canon, Addict DID make it explicit that Angel was comatose down there (WEIRD plot detail if it's still part of the plot, and who found him initially...? Al, actually...?) for...however long. The show doesn't bring it up, even though you'd think Husk, or anyone, would draw a timeline, as confused as you were about how Angel wound up with Valentino. "Oh, I died in 1947, but I've only been walking around here since...1997. You shoulda seen me for the first 4-5 years I was down here. Fresh off the hospital bed, I thought I was just a furry blob! My extra arms couldn't escape my fat!" 1:30:40: That's...wrong. There IS an answer that's not just "the store": Hell's food comes from Wrath.

[@troutinspace5427]

I saw a comment on another HH critique that HH feels like the “big scenes” that you imagine for your ocs well listening to music and can really see it. It feels like the big/emotional scenes in the plot I imagine for my ocs that I know if I ever made a real story would need to write more plot and character development between but they forgot to write the stuff between these scenes. Also you comments at 29:15 are really relatable I have problem with thinking to far ahead and trying to plan to much

[@dragonwithsword841]

Late to this hate party but I was just talking with a buddy this morning about how personality and "voice" in writing are not the first step in building a character, but rather, a last step arising as a natural consequence of more concrete parts of character writing such as motivation, ideology, etc. Applied to Hazbin Hotel, it's weird that Vivzie struggles so much with connecting her elaborate and gratuitous character backstories to a concrete, unique personality, considering that like, a lot of her characters do have easily definable wants, goals, ideas for how the world does/should work. But she never manages to connect A to B, and it is FASCINATINGLY frustrating to me. Usually, the hard part for hack writers is those bigger ideas of backstory and motivation and wants, and they try and cover it up via slapping on quirky but easily recognizable personality archetypes. Here, everyones got different lives and different wants and ideologies... but acts the same. I'd hazard a guess that its a consequence of the writers of this show never bothering to think THAT deeply about the actual themes and ideas they want to get across.

[@blackchickiedee7]

It's especially telling on the writing. And finding out that Vivziepop didn't even write the pilot made everything make sense. If she wasn't competent enough to make a pilot then writing for a series is darn near impossible

[@ravencrow1011]

The concept of heaven is quite questionable based on that daddy loserfur said, which makes sinner rehabilitation to heaven is a creative way to send the sinners to another hell on sky And make charlie a callouses and selfish person to make sinner in that oppressed place known as heaven

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

lmao loserfur is so funny

[@ravencrow1011]

@@cassidyangelpuppy he is a fudging loser for king of hell, a consequence of free will to humanity later blaming them for too free to self destruct

[@Haunted_Plush]

The angry comments sprinkled in below the video are so funny to read lmao

[@Birdyboys]

It’s funny too because it’s like this fans have these arguments pre-planned before actually watching the video. It’s like watching AI trying to argue.

[@JeremyWoollen]

​@@Birdyboyshello again

[@PrometheusRewound]

“It doesn’t feel carnivorous it feels cannibalistic” is such a banger of a line. That last section is so powerful to me as another 20 year-old writer 🫡

[@DIVINE_WEAP0N]

Oh this was in my recommended and i just noticed the time said "uploaded 50 seconds ago" LOL here we go more background noise for my art

[@JUIIICED.]

Another thing I don’t quite understand about this show, Do you just become a furry when you go to hell? Or is the overworld mostly anthro creatures, and that was their form all along? Sir Pentous is a cobra. cool design, yeah, but what does that add to his character besides the "sss" snake noises he makes sometimes? Why couldn't he be a rat, or even a normal human? small gripe but it's been eating at me lol

[@zionalbina691]

Apparently, according to some tweet or livestream comment or tumblr post or something idk, Vivziepop said that the way the sinners look in Hell has to do with 1) The sin(s) they committed that landed them in Hell 2) The way they died And/or 3) Something they hated when they were human For example, Alastor has pointed teeth because he was a cannibalistic serial killer when he was alive, and he has deer antlers and ears because he was shot to death by a hunter who mistook him for a deer in the woods where he was hiding from the cops. As for what he hated, I dunno, maybe he hated bob cuts

[@JUIIICED.]

@@zionalbina691 i don’t get it. literally every character has pointed teeth, even adam

[@zionalbina691]

@@JUIIICED. 🤷‍♀️

[@ryszakowy]

well it is ultra complicated because vivzie builds a lot of lore outside of the show like she said that gays don't go to hell just because they are gay - wow vivzie there's only entire history of human race full of dickhead gays that deserved hell but ok but heaven is full of white straight evil people who are evil because they are white and straight - how original vivzie BUT everyone who lands in hell is turned not only into furry but also gay - no hitler, no actual pedophiles, nobody using overabundance of slurs so where are gays that die as humans? forever in purgatory? erased from existence? - details vivzie, they are important

[@a.monach7602]

​@@zionalbina691Thought the reason behind the pointy shark teeth was to try hiding how the setting doesn't f---ing have any

[@reoij]

1:20:14 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING THIS! I was so confused when Adam mentioned "a million heaven bucks" and I was like "why is there money in Heaven? Does that mean people in Heaven NEED to work?" That just sounds like earth 😭

[@sketched_boba]

OMG finally, as much as the animation is gorgeous, I always fall back on the fact that Viv is and has always been a white cis woman that stans will defend her and her teams poorly written shows BECAUSE they feed on her every word and action. Comparison to Markiplier, while not perfect, IS able to address and speak on so many issues and discussions regarding the livelihood of others or huge movements. As for the racial works, I'll sound like a broken record, but if it were a poc in this position, they'd BEEN shunned and casted off the internet. A few POC creators have reviewed the show and negatively critiqued it, but not fully supported. I'm ranting but all this to say, FINALLY A REVIEW THAT ADDRESSES THE PRIVILEGE, even other reviewer are too scared (rightfully so) to even say it as is.

[@Sarraft]

isn't using "white cis" a bit racist??

[@DustyMusician]

⁠​⁠@@Sarraft actually it is not as Vivienne Medrano is a white cisgender woman 😊 hope this helps

[@Dojafish]

Not like Vivezie pop is getting into drama out of her control and it's because most of the times people lack media literacy. Is Vizizie privileged? Yes. Does she face issues? Absolutely fucking YES. Also the fact she is a bi woman who is a little more edgier, makes her prone to more criticized. Because dare a Woman's work not being perfect and non offensive.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

@@Sarraft Contrary to the opinion of the crybaby that owns Twitter, "white cis" is an accurate value neutral descriptor of people who are white and cis, and not a slur.

[@ginogatash4030]

​@@DustyMusician isn't she latino though? She's still white passing but I remember her talking about being latino and Vaggie being kind of a self insert-ish character with her "attitude" and such.

[@born_creating2487]

The ending of this video is amazing, I’ve thought a ton about the world building of this world and how little sense it makes. Why capitalism? It’s not like heaven and hell was created strictly for sinners. There are those born into hell, thusly that world should and would have its own rules and way of life different from human life. When u mentioned the white savior narrative it all made sense. My biggest concern was the perspective of the shows morals and values. It’s very specific with what we’re to perceive as ‘good’ and ‘bad’ rather than holding a more distant position and allowing the audience to put the pieces together on their own. It’s hell so most ‘bad’ behavior should be perceived as normal. Coloring the perspective of any given situation takes away from the ambiguity of the subject matter. Same with character actions. P.S Valentino is written more as an abusive ex than a pimp. His pimp persona is a caricature with little thought put into the differences/specifics that comes with such a career choice.

[@a.monach7602]

The setting is surprising for how uncreative it is, despite taking from so many ideas of Hell. I could accept the Pride ring being more familiar to us, being that it's where all the dead are confined to, but the other Rings should be more out there and fantastical, not just more generic rundown cities. Imagine depicting societies living in environments based on the Inferno rings: powerful obscuring winds, or constant freezing snow & slush, or spots of land surrounded by boiling blood - hellborn living with reflections of the sinners they cast out to die, in a realm formed in Lucifer's fall. It could influence & explain how each form of hellborn came to be (I.E. Gluttony being a tundra constantly hit by said snow & slush, which would facilitate having to hunt for anything around, leading to Hellhounds originating from there.)

[@HanleyBrook-pz9iw]

This video gives me the reminder to how I use me and my partners 100% convoluted universe. The truth is is that I just treat them like parts of a different story yet to be explored. Because there's a note that all these cool ideas, they don't have to be shoved in and made relevant to the main plot, in fact it's healthier that way, it's just a universe where stories take place, but most of them are unconnected practically other than by sharing similar characyer designs... and it makes things easier. You don't need to make all your world known, informing everyone of everything, it doesn't need to be shoved or all secretly connected. You just need to make sure that your world is believable and that the characters are fun, and so far, I think it's been achieved and some day I can't wait to actually see the first story written. Because that's why you make a universe to write characters in. You don't write it to make a bunch of convoluted connections... you use it to write stories that just so happen to take place in a universe. And that's what's fun about having a big universe Again most of the universe is not shown but that's because it'd be unnecessary and really hard to add in everything and make a good plot LMAO

[@HanleyBrook-pz9iw]

EUGEJJRF THESE VIDEOS TRULY MAKE ME THINK TOO MUCH WHAT HAS BEEN DONE

[@soraaangel]

idk what it is, but criticism of other media (specifically Vivian's works) has made me a better writer? like the mistakes shes made are so obvious? how could she fuck up so bad on a passion project? LOL tho im more confused than bashing vizie

[@fallencyano9015]

tbh every time i read/watch something about it, i end up adding/adjusting my stories

[@cyanity1017]

Honestly even disregarding the controversial stuff, just the whole concept of rehabilitating sinners is really bad when you think about it more. Like, on surface level when you think about people who were sent to hell unfairly like people who were in a situation where sin was the only option or they weren't in a sound state of mind before dying, but when you think about it, they never set any rules for who's allowed in the hotel or not. You think maybe they actually just wanna help souls sent to hell unfairly cuz of angel dust who's a good person when you take down the sex and Mafia layers, but then sir pentious is allowed in when from what we know about what he does, was likely some sort of person in war who killed hundreds or thousands considering he has a war outfit. I like sir pentious but he should not have been allowed in. And if he was allowed in despite probably killing hundreds but still being a good person, what would happen if someone more horrible morally was let in like a p*do or a r*pist or even just an abuser? Would they still be allowed to stay to be redeemed? Unless it's brought up in a future episode this is gonna be the one point i have for why it's bad. I sure as hell know that if i died and went to heaven thinking i was finally away from my abuser and suddenly they were let into heaven after being "redeemed" yeah I'd be risking getting sent to hell with how much I'd be beating them up and would probably have a hit put on charlie. It's just really evident that vivziepop didn't think the whole idea through at all. Edit: ok with the sir pentious point i sort of retract in contrast with the new information about why he was sent to hell from the leaks and that no war murder was involved with him, but my point still stands for the other stuff.

[@reoij]

You brought up many good points!

[@reoij]

Because I was thinking a lot about the things about r4pists/z00philes/p3d0s. Does anyone have a clear idea on who gets to enter the hotel and who doesn't? Like, how far can the "redemption" excuse really work here? Then that got me thinking. On the pilot there's this song Charlie sings when she's presenting the idea of the hotel to the sinners. I think there's a part where she's talking about all the people who can get rehabilitated. She goes "so all you junkies, freaks and losers, sexual deviants..." And then it shows a dude spying on a girl (for obvious sexual reasons) or something. I don't remember it well but it was an weird scene. With the way Vivienne is, I wouldn't be surprised if she played this type of behavior as something that the victim needs to forget about it or sing about how this person's forgiven or something idk And even if those types of people aren't allowed in, if you got to Heaven and you saw your abuser in Hell you'd feel relieved, right? But then what happens when you find out they came up to live with you in Heaven? How does that work? All of the people that Sir pentious killed on earth... Some of them might’ve went to heaven. And he just happens to be there now. With the people he killed. The whole thing gives me a headache.

[@Fransubsss]

​@@reoijSpoiler: Sir Pentious didn't kill anyone, he went to hell for not reporting a murderer for fear that the murderer would kill him.

[@reoij]

@Fransubsss I'm pretty sure that's new information. The time I was in the fanbase the community talkes about him being a way criminal.

[@Fransubsss]

@@reoij yes, it's new information about his character bc season 2 has been leaked, In the leaks, Sir Pentious did nothing wrong apart from being a coward.

[@vitamins2]

1:27:17 What’s so interesting about this… Vivienne’s studio that is in charge of helluva boss does this with their “””indie”””animation. They outsource their animation… and anyone who is aware of the terrible practices in that industry knows how terrifying that is.

[@vitamins2]

….cheap labour

[@lilbread1717]

Okay, I have a degree in history, and I love revolutions, so I did read about the russian one. LENIN DID NOT FIGHT FOR HIS PEOPLE. Russians had already fought their revolution, they were slowly building a better country. There was high and low, but that's normal, they were in the first months of a brand new system. Lenine arrived and he treatened (murder or violence, I forgot which one) the guys of his own party to be with him, because they weren’t, and he took Russia DURING THE NIGHT. So, not with the people, not for the people. There are some historical figures that did fought for the people and were paint badly afterward (Robespierre for example was used as a scapegoat for the crimes of other politicians and things he literally voted against, and it was easy to do because Robespierre was a broke orphans and his enemies were bourgeois. Also, Robespierre was probably aroace, his lack of interest in sex or romance is pointed out by others. I have so much to say about Robespierre), but Lenin isn’t one of them. Lenin used the fact that Russia was in a vulnerable place after its revolution to take over the country. (Every country that goes through a revolution has a period afterward of vulnerability because they are building a new thing, and it's often during that time that some power-hungry guy comes in and takes control of everything. I already talked about France, so here is France's example: Napoleon. Came in and did a coup d'état) btw, that's why I talked about "Russia revolution" without an "s", because Lenin didn’t do a revolution, but a coup d'etat during the night. (Yes, Russia had other revolutions outside the year 1918, but we are talking about 1918 here) Also, before I get criticized as "reading propaganda", I'm not usamerican, and we are taught to NEVER trust the usamerican historians, firstly because they are so narrow-minded they refuse to read Marx, which is the base to learn to analyze history well, and secondly because propaganda.

[@puppyhowler]

i think one of the things that bother me the most about hazbin is the whole ordeal on how to get into heaven, the fact that the higherup angels, the seraphim, have no clue on how to get into heaven... that's such a cop out IMO, it's like in the ending of the first season of Sword Art Online when kirito confronts the dev that trapped everyone in that vr nightmare, he asked him "why did you do this" and the dude fucking says "... i don't remember"... it's a copout and is incredibly lazy writing.

[@WigglePup]

Hi! I don't know if you'll see this, but I just want to say that I'm happy someone is pointing out the flaws of this show. Honestly, it's inspired me to work on my own interpretation that tries to fix it up. My version of the show is more of a purgatory-based idea with a cast of 7 and the same 8 episodes that Vivziepop had to work with, but each episode expands on a different character so when the finale happens, you really feel like these characters know each other. I'm also doing my research so that puts me way ahead of Vivziepop XD

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Nice video. Now you're legally obligated to do Helluva boss (pls don't actually it's just more of the same but without a Charlie stand-in)

[@NothingKingKN]

IMHO it's much, much worse in Helluva Boss.

[@soraaangel]

the whole section about the liberal reality and george orwell really made me think "damn some people are ignorant" (as in they dont know abt George or other forms of government and only know/ were taught one) and also "vivzie did NOT do her homework on this work" if your gonna write a heaven and hell story in where hell is oppressed by heaven bc, idk heaven is better, you cant really fuck up like that (u also really cant be silent abt Palestine bc UR WRITING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO PALESTINE?????)

[@TheNebulaeCollective]

1:05:31 I just had to talk about this screenshot as a DID system (Diagnosed, if that’s important to you.) A couple of lines down Viv mentions that a fan artist of hers “raged against the shalaman movie” and has “over 23 identities.” What I’m about to say has absolutely no bearing on the video, but further emphasises her privilege. The reason we as systems hate the movie “Split” so much, is because not only does it narratively encourage child abuse, it also created a stigma surrounding DID that remains rampant in the media to this day. If you engage with the movie with your brain turned on you’ll see how absolutely horrific the messaging is, how much it relies on stereotypes surrounding DID systems, and stereotypes of mental illness = bad evil killer. Fuck I should finish making that video essay on DID in media shouldn’t I 😅

[@Gooby5400]

I think you give medrano too much credit in the details of the show that are seemingly intentional, when in reality majority of it may just be her writing in impulsive “jokes” that contradict the entire world she’s trying to “build” lmao

[@cynicalsix]

just in time for artfight LETS GOOO i love hearing your thoughts, this is gonna be great background AV

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I'm glad to help :)

[@mierenierez]

1:46:03 I’m very proud of you for being able to burn your darlings and work to become a better writer. The topic you discuss is something that hits particularly for me in the current predicament I find myself in. I myself am not a good writer in any sense, and I don’t even create detailed overly fatty unnecessarily fleshed out worlds or things like that, my paracosm is a singular character. I daydream scenarios with her and she’s immensely important to me. Although I am unable to write her because making anything set in stone gets in the way of my personal over indulgence of her. I don’t fully know who she is concretely, but I feel I know who she is because I don’t treat her like a character, even though she’s not a real person atall. She means a lot to me and, if I were to actually make her a character in a story, I always thought I would hire someone else. Because one, she’s trans (bigender specifically) and I wouldn’t be able to properly write that experience. And two, I have an extremely hard time creating any new characters/investing interest in other things because I’m too worried that I will hyperfixate on something else and not pay attention to her.. Three, I am just not a very good writer 😂 I’m also autistic btw.

[@hamishstewart5324]

You know, with how heaven is portrayed, it kind of makes me wonder where Jesus is in all of this. Is he aware of the exterminations? The whole point of Jesus’ resurrection was to save us, he died for our sins, yet people still go to hell. What if Jesus tried to change the angel’s minds like Charlie does, pointing out the inconsistencies in Heaven’s rules while also mentioning the sinners who went to hell for more trivial reasons. However, as the first human allowed in Heaven, Adam asserts his authority over Jesus and causes the angels to double down, and not wanting to change his ways, Adam instead proposes the exterminations. Furious at heaven’s callousness and guilty over playing a part in Adam’s resolve, Jesus casts himself out of heaven, returning to earth and disguising himself as a human to try and save as many souls from hell as possible. Then, when he hears about Charlie’s hotel, he barges into the court to support her effort of rehabilitating sinners, and maybe even helps in the fight against heaven. On top of that, where is God in all of this? Have the angels ever met him? The angels insist that sinners can’t be redeemed, possibly due to God’s will, but Sir Pentious proves that premise wrong. What else are the Angels wrong about? What if the reason none of them have a good idea of what God is like is because God can’t visit heaven as he pleases. Perhaps he’s bound to the centre of the universe desperately controlling everything so that everything doesn’t descend into chaos, only able to directly interact with a small number of people. That’s why the angels go along with Adam instead of Jesus because, unlike him, they’ve never met God. Also, what would he look like? A lot of characters in the show have an animal motif, so what if he did as well? Maybe instead of this robed elderly man with a long white beard or angelic looking being, God had a motif of prehistoric animals to him, being this primordial entity constantly shape shifting between different creatures as the situation calls for it.

[@amimir1561]

The confessional segment of this video is beautiful. I've had very similar experiences with internal worlds all my life, and hearing you talk about yours got me emotional. Thank you for sharing these thoughts.

[@teakettle5194]

I can’t describe it, your critiques are so good and the connections to capitalism and Viv’s privilege showcased in her work is so genius, I’m afraid some of it went over my head. The conclusion was my favorite part out of all 6 hours, and I really hope you never stop writing whatever it may be.

[@JorguinTorpedo-ff5vk]

I finally finished this trilogy now I can give unfounded opinions on this KZbinr muahaha!This saga was wonderful, but I think it could have been less long, there are many parts where you are mumbling "uh, umh, uuuh" and others where you explain, but don't use and In the future, she repeats it again, Hope that in Future Instalment about Viviane Works you can synthesize everything you want to say effectively. The Racism and cultural appropriation part was a bit exaggerated, it seemed like an ambitious dialogue from a cult film, If the names of the creatures from my continent's mythology were known thanks to a drawing, I would be happy (and angry at the same time.) Now the dead elephant in the room.Viviani suffers from two problems; she is uninspired, Vivi seems to have not read many books and seen many films to have a good repertoire on how to write a series the lack of references she has certainly seems to harm her writing, since she doesn't have a solid footing on how to write certain subjects (E.X: Angel Dust Plot).But the icing on the cake, which you managed to subtly touch on in the part about Capitalist Imagination (Please do not mention Karl Marx in any communist theory, the Bolsh were Gnostics.) In general, Viviane is a woman with no experience of life who has nothing to express, Metaphors give great value to the media(See the Video "It's a Metaphor, OR; How to Correctly solve Art" by Valeria Santiago 2) Franz expressed the suffering of his daily life in books,Dante expressed his frustration in love when he "developed the doctrine" of the Church, Viviane expresses nothing, has no message behind the things she writes out; It's an OC I made when I was 10 and that hurts Hazbin Hotel, he never had a story to tell, he's just the poorly polished imagination of a 15-year-old girl, who instead of choosing an episodic series for Hazbin to be qualified only as "bullshit fun" decided to cram all his poorly done Worldbuilding into it.

[@randomspider725]

Hazbin Hotel is similar to the book Powerless, where the creators of both properties both want to live in the fantastical world of the oppressed and have their characters face the magical drama of genocide. This is, of course, because both creators are too privileged (or too thick) to comprehend that these concepts are a reality for many people and how terrifying it actually is. They’ve never had to live in the fear that they could die horribly just because some asshole doesn’t like them existing. To them, fearing for your life is a roller coaster ride at a high-end theme park. They happily sit in the front seats of the coaster, unaware (or ignoring) the people behind them who’ve been strapped in against their will. This got heated, but in the light of the American election, people like this are only going to bolder and it pisses me off. They and American Christians want to be oppressed SO BADLY.

[@sweetdiscordia3404]

Viv did confirm that Alastor is half black/Creole btw

[@renee6504]

Too bad she only mentioned that after the backlash. Almost as if she didn’t give two shits about AA spirituality/religions.

[@sweetdiscordia3404]

@@renee6504 yea fr, i doubt she even genuinely sees the character as poc.

[@WigglePup]

After finally watching the whole five hours, I can finally say, that WOW, this is a well put-together video. Much better than any other deconstruction video I've seen! Practically every point you've made is spot-on. Honestly, the only part I disagreed with was the rant about Palestine because it seems that topics like that and many others based on real life end up in controversy one way or the other, so it seems a bit unfair to judge from her silence. I think if she'd said something, she'd be blasted, regardless of her take (and knowing Viviziepop, it wouldn't be a good take). I really appreciate the rest of the racism rant; I hate how often this gets ignored when it's ridiculously easy to find documents about that kind of messed up stuff. I'm honestly surprised Viviziepop hasn't gotten cancelled or into more controversy. With that said, these videos are the only exposure I've gotten to your channel, but I do want to ask, are any other indie animation reviews on the horizon? Like a Murder Drones deconstruction or a Lackadaisy deconstruction or something like that (or smaller indie projects like Port by the Sea).

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

Maybe not indie animation reviews, unless I watch something and feel I have another 6 hours of stuff in me. However, I'm definetrly going to continue media reviews. I have Fat Cry 5, Bocchi the Rock and Matrix scripts that I've been working on. Mostly though I'm working on producing political consciousness raising content :) I've been told to watch murder drones a few times but I dont wanna be "the independent animation hater woman" hahaha :) check out some of my other videos, especially Infinite Couplet if you like short films :)

[@mrpersonn4200]

@@cassidyangelpuppygirlie why would you automatically think murder drones is going to be bad 🥹, pretty sure that show doesn’t even try to say anything about politics and peoples lives and redemption

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

@@mrpersonn4200 I don't think it'll be bad! People just keep saying "do a review of this one next" so I feel like its primed to be seen as bad. I haven't seen it so I don't have opinions on it!

[@mierenierez]

34:18 this EXACT joke crops up in Helluva Boss SO MUCH too. It’s just a *THING* in both of these shows

[@ieuansmith518]

Am I… am I a bad person for finding inspiration from Viv's work?

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

Not one bit! Creativity comes from everywhere. One of the best things I ever wrote came from the dumbest of influences -- a youtube horror lets play with like 200 views. Let inspiration fill your heart and soul and make great stuff :) And tell me about it when you make that great stuff!

[@smeyeteeth]

i genuinely, no-joke, just finished part 2. what is happening. can’t wait to dig into this one lol

[@nebaidossarkans3306]

"let me put on my leftie hat" OH HELL YES

[@discovermarch]

Great video to end the trilogy! My biggest objection (which is not all that big) is to the Alastor and Vox rivalry. I wouldn't describe them as 'bomb vs baby' or anything on that scale, simply because the rivalry is clearly meant to be one-sided. Vox sees Alastor as his arch-nemesis while Alastor sees Vox as just some loser he used to know. Alastor makes no active attacks on Vox, and seems to only retaliate when Vox publicly drags him on TV - to me, this suggests that he cares not about Vox but his own reputation. On the other hand, Vox is clearly obsessed and pathetic in his obsession (which you've pointed out), while Alastor just does not care. I think that's probably the narrative purpose that Vivziepop had in mind: showing that Alastor is 'cool' because he doesn't think it worth his time to retaliate against someone who's obsessed with him. There's also some as-of-yet-unknown backstory there (set up by torn picture of them together in the Finale song, and some of Valentino's dialogue), which I believe will be explored, or at least expounded on, in later seasons. Possibly, this will explain some of Vox and Alastor's behavior.

[@GaelMiraflor]

Has some good ideas. Terrible execution.

[@soraaangel]

wait how did we go from, "same character trope for somr reason" to white supremacy? i got lost along the way :(

[@hannah5021]

I don't think i can express in words how deeply your Confessional segment affected me, as well as the other parts of this critique. I also have a very complex world of OCs that are very dear to me, and its been my dream since I was 12 to make something out of them. This series was a big reality check for me that I, like Medrano, had been adding too much lore and random character tidbits rather than focusing on making my stories into something that could exist as more than something only I could enjoy. The 3 videos you've made have completely changed my perspective on my writing within less than a day. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for sharing your experience. I hope you continue to write and create

[@pikablukyle]

Holy fuck you put this into words so well. Especially with the “Vivienne Madrano is a white liberal” bit. Do you have a discord server or anything? I could genuinely listen to hours of these video essays of yours while getting work done.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I have a discord server I made when I was 13 and had 200 subs :) its currently being raided by hazbin fans spamming cat mutilation gifs. my discord is butterpupcass, feel free to add me :) i love talking for hours and right now im editing a video thats just me reading an essay so that might be up your alley if you wanna hear some 1920 feminist theory

[@Argo_Spiral]

@@cassidyangelpuppy "Hazbin Hotel's Fandom is Garbage, Here's Why [Part 4]" When

[@pikablukyle]

@@cassidyangelpuppy I added you! Sorry I only just saw your comment. I don’t want you to think I’m some rando trying to harass you.

[@NoodleGuyZen]

This was such a well put together review! Like you said in one of your segments, you talking about your own experience as a writer making bloated, over-convuluted stories made me look at my own story with another gaze. Of course, the review put my thoughts into words that I couldn't quite pinpoint, whilst I was stuck in my loop of rewatching the show (pirated of course) and going 'Huh. Why do I hate this so much?' Edit: Holy shit the confessional at the end pretty much told my life story, idk why it was nice to see in a review but I liked it. I think if you hadn't included it, your video would have been like every other HH critic review ever.

[@souljynx]

I love watching these as someone who was in this fandom like 4 years ago and just kinda held onto everything I knew about this series going into it It’s like im a jaded old grandma with withering skin and decrepit bones

[@minnac.9033]

Omg I’ve been falling asleep to the other two parts of this series for like a week I’m so ready for this

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

That's so lovely to hear, I fall asleep to video essays as well (my favourite is hbomberguys pathologic video, it calms me because its so stressful I forget everything else!) I never thought someone would have that same calming sleepy feeling with my video, thats so lovely :)

[@minnac.9033]

@@cassidyangelpuppyYESSS I love the pathologic video essay 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

@@minnac.9033 AAAH WE'RE BESTIES NOW

[@channelname99192]

I didn’t really get the racism and George Orwell bit, you were kinda framing Vizvie as the devil there, but yeah I guess.

[@nerdcuddles7731]

Btw Helluva Boss also made a joke about how they cant say slurs anymore in an episode and made merch where it was a penguin with a speech bubble with the word "slurs" Basically, they think that because one of their storyboarders draws gay rape porn they are progressive so they are free to make these jokes and not bigoted when they do. (only a little hyperbolic)

[@Fridge4_2]

This is starting to remind me of that one 6 hour long negative review of Toy Story 4 that GamingMagic13 made

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

OH LOL I REMEMBER THAT HAHA DW IM STOPPING AT 6 HOURS IVE HAD ENOUGH HAZBIN FOR A LIFETIME

[@mittag983]

This at least really showcases how HH sucks balls

[@darksparkyshark430]

Watched the whole thing. Loved it. More should be like that. Plus you get a free movie!

[@enitenit2791]

I agree with a lot of your points, however Viv confirmed Alastor to be mixed/Creole. I don't blame you for not knowing that, as I'm pretty sure it was something she said in a live stream(instead of the actual fucking show), but he's not 100% white

[@JorSweeds]

Still doesn't change that he’s a bad representation.

[@blackchickiedee7]

You're right, he's not white but a good chunk of the fan base refuses to acknowledge that or straight up white washes him in their art/fanfiction and the creator does ABSOLUTELY nothing to help the situation. Not only does his design not fit with his characterization (i.e.) that awful karen bob cut, but it's not too much to make a tweet/post to just say "Alastor is black guys, please respect that" she clearly has no problem cussing someone out on Twitter for showing a smidge of criticism so where's that energy when someone misrepresents her characters?

[@vanovasmith9586]

Well the whole "overpopulation" is a dynamic that was treated poorly. It was supposed to be "Well, Angels have to be trying to help with Hells overpopulation, right? Since they're the good guys, and they're worried that Hell will have too many sinners." Since if sinners knew that they were getting killed because they could overthrow heaven, wouldn't that be a big issue? Edit: To be honest she needs to learn how to use her audience. Let them bring in more people by giving them room to be creative, and create suspense.

[@mierenierez]

1:46:03 I’m very proud of you for being able to burn your darlings and work to become a better writer. I myself am not a good writer in any sense, and I don’t even create detailed overly fatty unnecessarily fleshed out worlds or things like that, my paracosm is a singular character. I daydream scenarios with her and she’s immensely important to me. Although I am unable to write her because making anything set in stone gets in the way of my personal over indulgence of her. I don’t fully know who she is concretely, but I feel I know who she is because I don’t treat her like a character, even though she’s not a real person atall. She means a lot to me and, if I were to actually make her a character in a story, I always thought I would hire someone else. Because one, she’s trans (bigender specifically) and I wouldn’t be able to properly write that experience. And two, I have an extremely hard time creating any new characters/investing interest in other things because I’m too worried that I will hyperfixate on something else and not pay attention to her.. I’m also autistic btw.

[@jettpackz2007]

Oh my god Cassidy is saw this in my KZbin when I was about to go home and I was like HELL YEAH!! I love listening to you throughly dissect everything that’s wrong with this divisive show, and I’m yet another artist playing this in the background as I draw for art fight LOL thanks again

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

so many people using this for art fight! so lovely to hear :)

[@mittag983]

You're so relatable... When you talked about your little worlds you hold dear to you, it warmed my heart! 😂 I still do similar and I hope someday my stories actually turn into something.

[@th7298]

Don't see the purpose of the last half. Like, Racism?? I've always thought they were gray, never knew they were supposed to be black. But like, what are black characteristics? Can't people just be black because they're, you know, black? Their skintone? In another hazbin hotel video, I saw the author say that "if you write a POC character while entirely ignoring what it means to be black/asian/any other minority that can face discrimination/racism, you’re writing a character that’s essentially white but labeled as POC." like what??. Can't black, and other races live without facing discrimination? White people can't be discriminated? btw the comment I made replying to this dude got FUCKING DELETED And you can see how Charlie and Lucifer are not meant to be white people, just meant to be these clown people. And what the hell is a white saviour?? Also, they can't use the voodoo symbols, but can use pentagrams? They can't have the Wendigo but can have dragons? Like, I believe that "cultural appropation" is really stupid, and that it might as well be anti-globalization. That's just sharing culture, which is good!! Also, like, Hazbin is super gay (as an umbrella term). Like, you have Charlie, Vaggie, Angel dust, Valentino on just the show, which is not much, but like the twitter says almost EVERY character is LGBT, notable exceptions being Niffty but like all she does is be straight. The number gets bigger if you count Helluva Boss (takes place on same universe) The intro was really bad, like, what??? I can't even explain it right now "cis white woman" tf? And you could say how this is just because I am a "privileged white male" which, yes I am white and male (idfk what "privilege" means in this context), however I am not from the US, where it seems these issues are most prominent, so what I know may not be the full story, although I still think it is quite stupid. Regarding the "VivziePop goes at stores that support genocide", it's honestly impossible to live without indirectly supporting something bad, and McDonalds, Disney and Amazon, among others have much more shit than just supporting Israel. I don't get why you got halfhour political section titled "George Orwell" really and just started talking about, well, politics but I don't want to go to in depth about it. Not sure if VivziePop is trying to do political commentary (although it's definitely trying to do religious commentary and quite frankly sucks at it). Note that this part isn't just bashing on you, I just don't understand some of the things you said and I find them to be weird *WITH ALL THAT SAID* otherwise very nice video series!! This is the longest I've seen somebody bash about Hazbin Hotel, perhaps you should cover Helluva Boss next, which has similar issues. By the way, Hitler didn't go to hell, Instead, and I shit you not, he just vanished from existence. This happens to like all pedos and dictators and stuff. Like the place reserved for the worst of the worst isn't used for the worst of the worst?? This could've been solved by just adding multiple heavens and multiple hells (which even exists in other religions) but no, it might have been because RELIGION BAD!!11!!! (honestly sometimes when people criticize about religion they end up just criticizing Cristianity. Funny how in its sister show, a character says "In a world with Hitlers and Epsteins" even though neither are in hell. Btw Hell has Nine Circles according to Dante's Inferno (which is not in the bible by the way), but 7 according to Hazbin, so both answers were right!! Speaking of the Seven Rings, they could have been the multiple hells I spoke about, but no, instead Hell is like some sort of country divided in seven states with there being state presidents on each one and the capital city being the Pride Ring (presumably where Hazbin takes place) Also, weird how you don't mention how Hell could typically be described as "eternal punishment", but neither are present in Hazbin. It's not punishment since they pretty much live like on a chaotic place on Earth (with a red sky), and its not eternal, because demons can DIE, (and so can angels which are also meant to be eternal), and not only that but it's the driving force of the plot (VivziePop said that they regenerate eventually, unless they get killed by Angel weapons but MENTION IT IN THE SHOW DAMNIT). I don't know if it was going to be its own version of hell or was trying to use Christian Hell. Additionally, isn't it weird how they say "it's hell" for they saying a lot of swear words and everything yet they never say slurs? Like, am I supposed to believe that when Charlie, a woman in a relationship with another woman, walked down the street, she never gets told any homophobic slurs? In a show where there are plenty of LGBT people, nobody refers to them with a certain word starting with F? Even Adam, the "super evil toxic masculinity white man" didn't say it? *I'm not saying I want them to use them, I'm just saying that they theoretically should* *tldr:* I didn't understand the racism part, plus some added things about hell Hopefully nobody says "bro's yapping" or "I ain't reading allat"

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

I read allat :) Your opinion is fully welcome! I believe Hazbin is trying to be a sociological story about a society and more specifically about a revolution against an oppressive ruling class (heaven) so we have to look at it politically, thats what the George Orwell section is about. What you said about boycotting - the line "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" that denotes what you believe is a criticism of capitalism, not an excuse to forgo your responsibility to spend money wisely. :) That's just how I see it! As for the part where I moan the words cis white woman over and over again, it was meant to be silly and embarassing :3 It's something a friend of mine says a lot haha :) But I believe in the end my opinions hold firm, that Hazbin uses elements like poc characters, queer characters, revolution and so on as aesthetic without caring about it and therefore uses it inappropriately, if that makes sense. And it is weird they never say slurs! The thing about hitler is dumb too, it'd be really funny if he was in this show in a burning lake or something lol. Thanks for the comment :)

[@ginogatash4030]

The racism part isn't so much about Vivziepop being an evil malicious n4z1 or stuff like that, it's about her lack of research and relevance to the actual story beyond the *esthetics*that ruffles people's feathers. Alastor doesn't need to get strangled by a cop to be good black rapresentation, the issue is not that he doesn't face racism, the issue is that Viv just slapped a bunch of voodoo and wendigo esthetic on top of the character with no thought put into actually representing those cultural elements beyond the surface level "spookiness" it's like a Halloween costume of voodoo instead of actual voodoo, that's why it's bad rapresentation, because it's nothing more than a fun fact on a wiki page and is barely part of the character beyond "spooky radio guy", and also wendigo and voodoo are from different cultures and Viv didn't do a lot to flesh out and explain how this mix of elements are made compatible in one character. Also black people aren't just, well, black, there's other traits particularly the hair and facial features like flatter noses and more protruding lips that differentiate them from white people, and none of the black-ish characters in the series really got those traits save for one of Karmilla's daughters kinda who sort of has an afro and she looked completely different in the pilot but she's not even a real character. Point is it's kinda hard for viewers to recognize the various characters as anything other than white/western through watching the show alone cause their cultural identities don't really come through in the writing or art, the only characters who do showcase their heritage in any kind of tangible way are Veggie, Carmilla, and Cherry Bomb, and we get that through occasional swearing in Spanish, agressive flamenco musical cues whenever on screen, and a thick Australian accent that I'm not sure how accurate it even is, the general grasp on everyone else's identity is up in the air if you don't check out fan wikis, tweets, streams, and other shit. To be perfectly clear it's not like Viv absolutely HAS TO rapresent every culture in the world or whatever, but she was the first to declare "X character is Y" so she set up her work to be criticised through the lense of rapresentation like how Rowling did with gay Dumbledore when most people were totally uninterested in the character's sexuality, and through the messy rep it's clear she made the characters first and only later assigned them a cultural/racial heritage to give some trivia to fans, because none of the characters really feel like they were actually made with their heritage in mind cause Alastor was a deer furry Tumblr sexy man first and was made a voodoo mixed race kid later. I think you've got a point that cultural appropriation isn't inherently evil cause interacting with anything not from your own culture can be considered cultural appropriation in some ways and the very premise of the show hinges on a weird twist on Christian and even Jewish culture, but there is indeed a negative cultural appropriation, and that is when you take a piece of someone's culture for its esthetics paying no mind to the significance of it, which results in a flanderized if not outright offensive portrayal of the culture in question. The same can be said about Christian and Jewish concepts getting mixed up into a mess but there's at least a decent grasp on the very basics and Christianity in general has a wide enough reach that misrepresentation doesn't particularly effect its image because Christianity I well known beyond its appereance. Voodoo however is a small isolated culture of which not much is known by the general public, and its rapresentation in media is often limited to the reductive "spooky but kinda cool looking black magic" stereotype to the point no one actually knows the basics of voodoo beyond the voodoo doll thing, and Alastor kinda reinforces that reductive trope rather than exploring past it, which is what good rapresentation should do. The George Orwell part is moreso to highlight the weird aristocratic views Hazbin unintentionally perpetuates, the whole "people are stupid and can't rule themselves without an elite white savior doing it for them" thing, not realizing this stems from a privileged life. Privilege pretty much refers to being born in a decently wealthy and safe environment at the cost of the exploiting of less lucky people, not that it's our personal fault or whatever, we didn't choose this and we aren't automatically assholes, but if we are to engage in talks about social issues it's good to remember why we're able to live a comfortable life while others need to steal to survive and other such things. Viv wanted to kinda tell a story about class struggle, but she doesn't seem to really understand the machinations of capitalism or society in general to really do it properly, so it comes off as a preachy and naive tale from a privileged author that doesn't truly understand what their cause actually is at best, and a naive wannabe activists that is totally complacent with the unjust system that benefitted her at worst. I think she falls more under the former than the latter, but the result still remains that she wanted to write a story about redemptiom and class struggle but failed to understand what creates the struggle in the first place and what redemption really entails beyond "me bad before but me wanna be good now".

[@ginogatash4030]

Also the dictators and p3d0s thing is such a ridiculous asspull to avoid adressing people like h1tI3r or 3pst31n. Like you'd think that if they can just erase sinners from existence they'd just erase ALL OF THEM, and not create a dimension entirely comprised of the worst of humanity who could take over the realm where all the good people live with their sheer numbers. But no, the inner workings and logic of something otherworldly like the after life has to bend over backwards to the sensibilities of some 30 year old American woman who wants to tell a story about literal hell, and is fine with portraying violence, sexual abuse, substance abuse, cannibalism, greed, casual lite bigotry, but draws the line at showing sinners guilty of genocide and sexual abuse of m1n0rs as if the other sins are somehow less sinful, and the story doesn't revolve partially around a genocide anyway. That's not even to say she has to shove p3d0phlia and n4zls down our throats "cuties" style, but you know, in a story about literal he'll there's no real reason there shouldn't be a spotlight on the worst of humanity. Like Hell is shockingly sanitized for being literal hell, it's more of a shitty neighbourhood than the place of eternal torment it's meant to be, and in part it could've been really cool to have hell be the absolute worst of capitalism concentrated in one place and turned up to 11, but then heaven also has capitalism abd it somehow works without exploitation, or at least so it seems cause the exterminations only really happen to prevent demons from conquering heaven and they don't get anything else from it, which is much more credible than if it were applied to real life since heaven seems completely independent and self sufficient in terms of resources and the people I'm hell are actually a conglomerate of evil, or at least they're supposed to be, the show doesn't seem clear on anything that should be clear.

[@JorSweeds]

A black woman here to try and explain a bit why the voodoo representation is bad. This could differ depending on who you are talking to but I’m not really mad about voodoo being used in media, you can be white and write a character whose voodoo is their religion it’s not the issue. The issue with Hazbin is that she uses it as an aesthetic and a spooky factor when it’s not. Voodoo is a religion that has been demonized by Hollywood for years but it’s just a way for afro Americans to reconnect with their African culture. Yet, voodoo dolls used as blessings are shown to hurt people in movies, and the practitioners are shown are evil people who made pacts with demons and else when they are just normal black folk practicing their religion. This caused for many years harmful stereotypes regarding voodoo and sorcery in general and it hurted the black community, people complained about Dr. Facilier, but it didn't reach many ears because it was hard to criticize Disney at its prime, and now they complain about Alastor. First of all, it’s true that there’s a group of people practicing dark art/magic called botono but never in the show is it addressed. The least Viv could have done is make sure that people know that Alastor is a practitioner but never do we see him make offerings to the many Gods present in the religion, never do we see him make any reference to his religion or even origins (he talked about jambalaya one time at the end of the PILOT, this doesn't count for me as its forgettable information.) No, when voodoo symbols appear he’s spooky trying to intimidate or manipulate someone which feeds the stereotype that voodoo is something dangerous when it’s technically not. She uses it as an aesthetic. She probably saw “cool” symbols on Pinterest and added them to her character not bothering to search for their meaning whatsoever, and not just for voodoo for everything related to religion: Wendigo? Now this character is a Wendigo don’t know what that is but it‘s cool 👍😃. Angels are described as having wheels. Hmm? Let me not do research about the possible meaning of these to further expand my worldbuilding and make a better hierarchy for heaven, nah! Let’s just snatch their design and put them as characters in the background, that’s totally believable. 😎 So they ate a fruit and got chased from heaven, huh? Let’s not do research about what the fruit actually means and let’s just say it’s Free Will, yeah totally makes sense, because Heaven’s bad, and Lucifer is the poor little boy who got chased for giving humans autonomy.😔 Overall, she had FOUR YEARS! FOUR YEARS to listen to the criticism and either A, replace the symbol with radio and electricity symbols which honestly fit the character more. Or B, do the proper amount of research about Voodoo and put at least a curl on that man’s head because literally, NOBODY knew he was Creole before she said it (the thing she said a bit after people started complaining about her misuse of voodoo 🤔). And not just for Voodoo, ALL of the religions and traditions she used in her show should have been represented properly!

[@elmascapo6588]

​@@cassidyangelpuppyi'm 99% sure the angels castrated hitler in the extermination of 45'

[@rook8808]

I always thought a good way to get Charlie and Angel to become closer and get him to trust her/really polish up his arc would be to get Charlie to use her leverage as 'princess of hell' to break Angel's contract. Then it would also set up the V's better as next series antagonists too as im sure Valentino would not forgive and forget this, but also it irks me that Charlie is so USELESS at using her position of power for literally anything!

[@TheSkrunkyScrimblo]

I’m 1:10:30 in and I JUST realized that this is PART THREE. ONE PART IN A WHOLE SERIES. AND ITS ALMOST 2 HOURS LONG.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

the final part, im so hazbinned out lol

[@evei2310]

Thank you for this series, I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. English is not my first languance, while I understand everything, I have a problem getting my points across. And this series does everything I can't do. I love your way of talking and humour. I also could draw my hollowknight oc while listening. ( I bought it yesterday and absolutely love it they do be silly bugs). I cannot wait for more content. Do not stop, I absolutely needed these lengths of essays that go deep into the topics. If you are intrested in one popular series that has actually extreme bad writing in it, check out Harry Potter books. When you read them now and not when you were a child, you will see exactly what I meant :). Cannot wait for your next video! Have a blast and great day Cas.

[@dontaskmeabouti]

Welcome back Cassidy babes! Love watching these, i be kicking my legs giggling whenever you upload 👏🏼

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

comments like this make all the effort worth it! :)

[@dontaskmeabouti]

@@cassidyangelpuppy yippee! So glad you’re happy, I was actually showing your channel to my brother :D

[@cosmicnadroj5317]

I have a large scale fantasy world I’ve been working on (on & off, but a lot recently) for YEARS. I’m really passionate about it but now I’m wondering if I’m naive to be so determined to write the stories I’ve been trying to..

[@SlimeMcfly]

6:35 Uhhhhh cannibalism can be used as a metaphor for rebirth and purification??? And…isn’t there a Christian thing where we’re all temporary residents on earth cause heaven is what really matters. Kinda like a temporary stay at a hotel. Except like the opposite of that cause the things they do in hell matter even if they’re not going to heaven??? Anddd bam the army is like Salvation Army or something they do stuff I think. But actually I don’t think they really do good stuff so maybe it’s like the angels? And they’re saying they’re helping but they aren’t. And the real way to help is vore kinda maybe.

[@dragonempress8367]

While I never defended vivzipop, she did make sally may, a transwoman, who in my opinion is the only decently written helluva boss character.

[@reoij]

She's not asking for trans characters in Helluva boss, she's talking about Hazbin

[@saanalder5107]

I honestly think the Voodoo symbols aren't an issue. Like you have the right to talk about things, and to portray things in your art, whether the art is good or not. Allastor is supposed to be Creole from New Orleans, it suits his background. I think she should've made more research on it, and how to depict it more appropriately, sure, but it's not the fact she used voodoo imagery that is the problem but HOW she did it.

[@justchilling1506]

The problem is that Voodoo is a closed-off practice, and drawing simbols IS part of practising it. Closed-off practice means nobody can get in unless invited

[@CherryHotSauce]

@@justchilling1506they didn’t draw real voodoo symbols though they just look like them

[@f87582]

Voduo practioners specficially ask people NOT to give out the symbols. It also is even more disrespectful when you realize this practice is spirutual and usually used for healing, and was regularly demonized by their oppressors. And she proceeds to make a character's abilities involved with vodou and tries to make the symbols "scary". He can be a voduo practioner sure but demonizing it and misuing the symbols are not excuseable.

[@DustyMusician]

I know it's bad form to comment on a video twice but I cannot believe that there is more than one person with over one hundred comments on this channel... over one hundred... log off please!

[@Jdudec367]

If you are talking about me well...no I won't.

[@DustyMusician]

@@Jdudec367 what can I say but yikes!

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

jaydenc and the drag king uchiha have more comments on this channel than my actual irl gf im preparing to marry. im sorry jaydenc i know youre trying hard to get my attention but i just dont think youre my type... its not you, its me.

[@Jdudec367]

@@DustyMusician Lol ok then

[@Jdudec367]

@@cassidyangelpuppy I'm not trying to get your attention exactly I just have a lot to say lol, but good luck with the marriage I hope it goes well for you two and you two have a good one.

[@hoodieyan5667]

The only problem with the racism part is people are saying that because viv said he was half black, so it’s not from nowhere. She said it.

[@blackchickiedee7]

But, Alastor being black isn't from a place of respecting culture or even try to tell a story of how life was for him when he was alive. Alastor came from a previous work, Zoophobia until he got shoehorned into Hazbin. And when Vivziepop made a drawing of Alastor as a human, he was very much a white character. And when she added that he practices voodoo, she rightfully so received feedback that educated her poor representation. So she didn't make Alastor black for good intentions, she just didn't want anymore backlash and went with making Alastor mixed and even still mentioned him being white in passing. And even still his design now to showcase that is piss poor

[@Xtbox-jw7it]

I’m Native American and I speak for a lot of native Americans when I say this we enjoy when our culture are represented in tv and movies we are not offended at all and I would guess the same goes for Indians

[@Birdyboys]

But… nobody in this show is Native American. So what’s your point?

[@ash-yr7vv]

I'm Native American.. I agree it's great seeing us represented. But our culture and race has nothing to do with Hazbin hotel soo..?

[@elmascapo6588]

​@@Birdyboysi don't know. Aparently alastor is half indian And he's a flesh eating slaver that tortures and murders people for his own amussment But, he's in hell, so clearly what he did in life is wrong

[@Xtbox-jw7it]

During a part in it he started talking abt how it was rasist that they were using a windego for Alastair

[@ash-yr7vv]

@@Xtbox-jw7it It's never explicitly said/shown that he has any ties to the Native American culture Alastor is said to be creole and practices voodoo, so no. There's nothing inheritantly hinting "Native culture" in the show at all.

[@spaceangelexe]

That ending hits a bit to hard dont ya think. Good video ofcourse! I wish you luck in whatever you create next and i hope to support it!

[@yawninglion1677]

God, the paracosm thing has been me my whole life. If I'm not hyperfixating on my own stories, I'm hyperfixating on a random media that I like -- media that probably isn't good, yet I can't stop thinking about for reasons even I don't understand.

[@cassidyangelpuppy]

liking bad media is good imo, good media is self explabitorily good but bad media you love is magical in that I currently have a video script thats 50 pages of criticism and praise for a game I love but is trash and im only 1/4th done the script. theres so much more to say about loving things you can defend than things that are objectively good. i couldnt write 10 pages on why I like my favourite video game and it doesnt make me kin characters like other media does. it takes something special to build that relationship

[@yawninglion1677]

@@cassidyangelpuppy Oh haha I know. It's just funny to me, I have a mild appreciation for genuinely great works but the ones that mostly stick with me do for unexplainable reasons, sometimes happening years after I was first exposed to said work. It's just interesting how these things manifest. But really, the whole bit at the end of the video was extremely relatable to me. I felt it. I was in a paracosm for several years with a friend as we were writing together, and the only reason I'm not as obsessed anymore is because we gradually grew apart and stopped working on the story. But I still love the concepts and characters and will probably transport my half into my new fantasy in some way, since it's what I do haha

[@JoelTheParrot]

20:37 OK so, no opinion on Breaking Bad because have not consumed, but I feel like the main reason I can get a metaphorical foothold on your example here for figuring out who is who is because I've been watching this series so I know the general situation lol. Cherry Bomb, Husk, Cherry Bomb again, That's gotta be Niffty (she kind of has a unique voice, right?), and Cherry Bomb again probably oh wow i still got it rather wrong lol... oh i didn't realize the shapes were communicating like that, i MIGHT'VE gotten it if I remembered that but still lol i guess angel's flaw is the self destruction situation in episode 4? awkward having to scroll down because of madoka spoilers im still consuming that media I thought they DID change Alastor's symbols I knew Emily was a person of colour but didn't know she was outright black ngl honestly the realms in this story feel more like... different places in Earth than like other worlds entirely. The mortal realm is where the free will is, but all of these characters have free will. The moral realm is flawed and has stuff like working to survive, but Heaven has that in this story. Some people enjoy things that are considered sinful, but the underworld just lets everyone sin ad infinitum. It's confusing. Things just got worse and worse for this show, huh... Thanks for this series of videos!