Hazbin Hotel Is Bad, Actually

[@moldycheese6635]

The livestreams should give us info that isn’t important to the show. World building, lore, and characters should be explained in the show, whereas dumb stuff like a character’s favorite color, zodiac, or whatever can be in the livestreams. Save the important info for the show

[@Dharpik]

DAMN FOR REALL!!! The main show has to show as a main plot of it. Show the most important information of characters and their development. All these little deteils, stories and other information can be told already AFTER the main show. When Hazbin Hotel ends, there are may be new comics. For example about the characters lifes before hell, or how did world works or whatever. Just the extra info for fans, who interested. The main show doesnt have to suffer if this information isnt in it.

[@Lovejoystan21]

You shouldn't have to watch other things to understand the show lol It's like Mangas and animes (similar to how it's the comics/livestreams and the show) you should be able tk watch just one And still have a similar understanding

[@BLACK80085]

@@Lovejoystan21 Thats still a good compromise

[@kookerbridge-p1o]

​@Lovejoystan21 yeah good compromise get wrekt

[@unconfirmed9]

This show felt like an amateurish webcomic that happens to be animated :/

[@aku2136]

the show feels childish even with sex and swearing because it tries too hard, its like that small kid that tries to act cool but every word that comes out of its mouth are swears and sex jokes they googled when noone was looking

[@dapperpotato4243]

Yeah, and weirdly enough that really isn't much of a problem in hellluva boss, and the reason I like helluva so much more. I also like that helluva didn't scrap it's entire cast, animation team, and pretty much everyone who worked on the pilot like hazbin did. Just in general seems more genuine, probably because amazon now owns hazbin ip.

[@jadethunderhoof288]

@@dapperpotato4243 imo, Hazbin is the show tweens watch when they wanna feel sexually mature with it’s surface level sex jokes and innuendos, with black and white “good vs bad” relationships, while Helluva is for tweens to feel more emotionally mature with it’s knee deep character relations and drama. They both suffer the same problems, just different situations.

[@dapperpotato4243]

@@jadethunderhoof288 not saying the show doesn't suffer the same problems, I just said it has the problems less than hazbin. I know helluva still has bad writing, but it's at least somewhat bearable for the most part.

[@almas4663]

No, that is Rick and Morty you're describing. Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are heartfelt shows that use gross humor ironically

[@jadethunderhoof288]

@@dapperpotato4243 no I getcha, I’m the same way. Helluva is a much more enjoyable show imo.

[@daemon_foxx]

I think the reason why sinners may use fake names/nicknames/titles instead of their real ones is because according to popular believes, knowing a demon's real name gives you power over them, which is why Angel's contract was signed with his real name

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

And considering they can hire a hitman to kill you in earth, is probably better to have a fake name in hell so they don't know who you are

[@bellatails2238]

I also thought it could be like a time thing, like theyve just been here so long and with how terrible everything is around them (plus all the booze &drugs messing with memories) that overtime their real names just slip from their minds and they forget.

[@commentyouraddress]

I don't think that a fake name had ever been implied for any character other than Angel Dust- but the reason he uses a fake name is because it's his " film" name, which is common practice in that industry. Maybe husk too, but that's because i can't imagine someone ever naming a child that- the reason it's probably so out of place and not a real name because he was an "imported" character from her comic zoophobia. Also, a lot of main character's last names are known such as Charlie, Lucifer and a lot of other high ranking demons on a similar level., Even if that was a plot point, it's never mentioned once in the show or even implied slightly outside of Angel Dust (kind of) which doesn't even apply very well because it's a p.star alias.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I'd like Charlie alot more if she was younger, because her personality and the way she is treated by those around her is *very* infantilising. Vaggie literally cradles and carries Charlie like she's a child. Charlie's like 200 but acts like she's 16. It would make her behaviour much less grating if she acted her age. It would also explain her apprehension and passivity if she was younger, as well as make her stepping up all the more impactful.

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

If you want a very surface level and 1 dimensional character, yeah. But her being 200 years old, acting childish but only before the meeting with heaven and her only NOW having started working on her dream and Lucifer's picture of her as a a GOTH says a lot more about her character than making her 16. Because, no. She's not naïve nor actually childish, what we see is her mask just like we see Angel Dust's mask.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@Raven_The_Unkind Charlie wears her heart and emotions on her sleeve. There is no mask. She's one of the few characters who is exactly how she appears to be at first glance. There is no pretense of deception when it comes to Charlie, what you see is what you get. That's kind of the point because she's a parody of the Disney Princess archetype. Her faith in the hotel is completely unfounded because Charlie has no reason to think it will actually work. She doesn't know about Sir Penitious' redemption so she is going off blind faith at this point.

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

@@PlanetZoidstar You literally see her using deception multiple time in the show and hiding her emotions, choosing kindness over actually expressing her emotions. Both with Adam in the first meeting and with Val. There is a mask and it's literally shown prominently in Episode 4 with Angel Dust in the episode all about Masks melding into who you are and back and forth. Just because it's a mask, doesn't mean it's fake. Yes she wears her emotions on her sleeve but she also holds them back. And she's not going into redemption blindly. She said so herself in the Pilot. That kindness and forgiveness a conscious choice, that it's par for the course for redemption and that's what she believes in but also that's how you allow people to have a space for themselves to be comfortable in order to open up about their issues and fix them.

[@AL3XE]

She was never really raised right and maybe cuz of her parents her maturity age different 200 years is probably nothing compared to luci and lilth

[@Rattie_Lover]

It's like 10=1 year for her mentally and physically i believe

[@leandrade781]

"Hazbin hotel is a bad show, and I like it anyway" never related so much with a review of this show

[@TheAbigailDee]

It's the ultimate accurate review!!

[@akisatsuki8444]

I feel that way about Helluva Boss. It’s not exactly the peak of modern art (in my opinion, anyway) but it’s a funky little show that makes me happy

[@susankornas2613]

I do agree it's flawed, but it does have good stuff as well. At least it's better than most of the adult shows nowadays...

[@AydenDaffron]

I like the music, hate everything else

[@conniewrixon1511]

Charlie’s childish personality started to annoy me, especially in the final episode. Ffs she’s literally at war trying to protect to hotel & she’s like “oops sowwy, I’m so mean uwu” Like Vaggie said, she needs to take more action as the Goddamn princess who so desperately wants to protect hell & her people. It’s not any better when she’s not even protecting her friends properly. I want her to act her age & get time to stand up for herself instead of being interrupted/stopped which is another problem I have. I understand Vivzie wanted to write Adam & Lute as these dangerous menacing figures but they’re really not. Adam is piss annoying & his repetitive swearing got on my nerves. Lute is just edgy & it’s kinda cringe (in my opinion) Anyways, the main cast barely get any time to fight or get any scenes together, the whole episode is so rushed & half-assed. Charlie got thrashed around despite being on the same power level as Lucifer, barely defends anyone or herself, she doesn’t even get time to protect her girlfriend. Vaggie barely gets time to defend herself either, she’s in the sky for like 10 seconds then is taken down immediately, couldn’t we get a cool battle in air or something? It’s so rushed. And like she trained with an overlord and still learnt nothing, she also gets thrashed around with no time to show her having the advantage. How was it only a part of the hotel was able to take down Lute instead of her.. yknow. Fighting by herself & winning. Angel & Husk get like one or two scenes, the Nifty just stabs. I just want an episode where Charlie isn’t treated like this weak little baby, because she isn’t. My first time watching it (the pilot) I genuinely just thought she was a regular sinner because of how mischaracterized she is on HER OWN SHOW. Just in general, Charlie & Vaggie are labelled as weak when they’re not, while the men are seen as super duper strong & unstoppable. I could be looking too deep into it, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, just how Vivzie treats her women characters, they barely get any story arcs or episodes dedicated to then as seen with Millie & Loona. And Charlie’s just seen as a massive jerk most of the series too. Holy crap I didn’t mean to type that much, my bad 😭

[@conniewrixon1511]

Srry if I didn’t explain it well! If you need clarification, don’t hesitate to reply

[@Lìnne1196]

It’s fine! I honestly, agree with some of the stuff you said. I think Adam swears too much as well lmao

[@gasmask7064]

Nah, adams cool.

[@2l84me8]

I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said. Alastor was hyped up to be this O.P character and he gets one shoted by Adam after like a 20 second fight. What happened to all his tricks and abilities? Did the writers just forget about them? The power scaling is absolutely horrendous.

[@Bluegleam]

I honestly only like Husker because he stands his ground, actually acts reasonable while acting like an actual adult. Charlie is labelled as weak despite being a princess of hell because her childish personality and mindset hold her back. Like if you give a baby OP powers but the baby doesn't know how to use properly, the powers are useless. Vaggie is portrayed like Charlie's babysitter and everything about her involves Charlie which really downplay her imo.

[@artistanthony1007]

Pilot had better voice actors and better execution of Sinners especially Katie, she made me just feel like shxt with her comments, presence and so on, nobody in the show even are threatening and dont feel like they're vile and from a adult show, Val in Addict also gave more unsettling and frightening parts than in the show, nothing about him there is scary and he just comes off as a joke in many places & sxxual in a unimpressive edgelord way.

[@지선우-u9n]

i disagree with you respectfully. valentino is supposed to represent abusers who seem to be dumb or make themselves charming and non threatening but underneath that veil they are monsters exploiting someone like angel dust. many people think abusers should look threatening or be always vile on the outside but that is not true most of abusers disguise themselves as good people lol

[@지선우-u9n]

and tbh katie killjoy is only shown reporting some news that's mostly the screen time problem. and about the voice actots yes. while it's sad that pilot voice actors had to be replaced if vivziepop's dream was integrating broadway style current voice actors fit more in my opinion. but you can always prefer pilot cast i respect your opinion

[@blackchickiedee7]

Agreed. Pilot you could understand why the setting was hell, Amazon HH is just really GTA or someone's teenaged warped version of California. And to piggyback off of your comment about Val, he does suck, thought him and Vox were going to be the shows' more sinister and vile antagonists but nope they're goofy just like everyone else. Seriously, are these characters suppose to be adults? Everyone acts like they're 15. And for people saying that Val is suppose to represent abusers, y'all he is a PIMP. A man that profits off of prostitution! He is not some silly loser boyfriend who's a man-child, he's a pimp. You talk to any person who has/is prostituted guaranteed they would absolutely NOT point at Valentino and say "yep that's how my pimp was" 😅 it's sad how misconstrued this show is and gets away with it

[@mrpersonn4200]

@@지선우-u9nI feel like that’s just a cop out though, val being “realistic” doesn’t make him any more threatening, and the “threatening” scenes with him feel very basic at best. I think the problem is that suddenly after season 1 of helluva boss viv decided that all the people in hell are just good people now who never do anything wrong and the show suffers a lot from it. It’s weird when people in “hell” are more supportive than people in actual real life. I get that they’re probably trying to push the angels as the real threats but the show feels all over the place as a result, not to mention that nothing bad ever really happens to the main cast, every bad thing that happens gets fixed in the next scene with the exception of angel dust, but even then he doesn’t face any repercussions for harassing husk, it feels like there are no stakes, it’s your basic fairy tale where you can tell everyone is gonna get their happily ever after.

[@мсножницы1]

​@@mrpersonn4200 three are hellborns that can called good, but sinnerand most of hellborna are shutty people, just because first ones didn't care about their actions and what it come with it, second just doesn't know better. There always would be exceptions, because world isn't black and white, its a grey color that sometimes more white, or more black.

[@LifeUntilLove]

I'm so glad someone pointed out the huge problem with how Hell's Hierarchy is and how rude Charlie is treated. This is a modern trend I have noticed in stories where royal titles or other symbols of strong power are used, yet there is no adherence to what that would mean for the world. If Charlie is a princess and the third most powerful person in their world, she should be treated as such. If they wanted to keep Charlie as an underdog who no one respects, the simple fix would be to have very few citizens know her identity. Have her be so sheltered and Lucifer and Lilith so gone/hidden, that no one really knows what the Moringstars look like anymore. They would see Charlie as some random sinner with no power and dismiss her, with only powerful overlords with intel knowing and treating her accordingly. It could add a lot of interesting dynamics were people like Alaster are helpful and we are left to decide if he knows or not. It would even solve the problem of Angel trying to protect Charlie, since he wouldn't necessarily know she is untouchable and mitigate why Lucifer isn't involved more.

[@SodaFrizz666]

She could even have some sort of friendship with the overlords! If she really had parental issues, one of them could've even been her only mentor/parent figure... Then that lends to her not knowing the truth about Hell, which is that it is meant to be inescapable eternal punishment, and how it's all thanks to her parents that she even has open up the hotel. So much more writing potential, interesting arcs, conflict... but nah. We got what we got instead

[@ambarm736]

I like this idea because her being sheltered and hidden growing up would explain why she's so naive, clueless and thinks everyone has the potential to be good.

[@foxinbox8489]

It's hell bruv, she is treated as underdog because she is mentally not able to defend her title, and there is no enforcement. Like, imagine if she killed val for messing with angel dust? She absolutely can, but she didn't. Charlie permits people to treat her like trash, that's the whole point

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

​@foxinbox8489 Yeah, I thought it was obvious Charlie lets people dump on her.

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

I mean, the obvious reason is Charlie doesn't use her power to assert dominance, so no one respects her tbh. Her parents don't even take care of the kingdom as is? So already she looks a mess from the people's perspective.

[@ilikebeanies3499]

The pilot had a nigh-perfect premise, with janky visuals. The actual show has a janky premise with good visuals 😂

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

8 episodes is no good

[@akisatsuki8444]

How are the visuals “janky”?

[@nymphadorastonks7451]

@@akisatsuki8444If you look closely at one particular wide shot in the pilot, you'll see that character's faces turn into three lines. Also, since certain shots were made by different people, some scenes' visual styles differ from each other. No hate on the animation in the pilot (I think the poor animation adds more comedic effect, personally) but the quality was 1000% better in the show.

[@Umbrakinesis207]

@@nymphadorastonks7451 To be fair, the tiny faces were a stylistic choice. The main show has it too.

[@Umbrakinesis207]

I actually prefer the Pilot visuals too

[@cartoonhyperfixated]

I love hazbin, but there’s SO MUCH that can be improved

[@definitelyslates8864]

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[@MiniMinecon2006]

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[@Collie-King]

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[@Comet346]

Agreed, I love the animation and songs

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

Season 2 probably will help

[@mohamedkham9411]

My main problem with the eden story that i havent seen ppl talk about Is that its presented as a story that charlie has in hell and seeing how lucifer seems to want his daughter to like him and see him as a good guy that u are left wondering if this story is fake or at least is changed to make lucifer and lilith seem good Like free will is to make ur own choice and adam eve made a choice against what they were told by eating the apple and itll make a wayy more sense if the story that charlie knew was fake

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

It's a very good observation to make, extend it to how Sera is portrayed in it, because she's portrayed with regret and as not one of those that Fell Lucifer which also then say something about the motives behind the story being written by her parents

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

​@@Raven_The_Unkind Maybe Charlie's father HOPES he regrets it.

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

@@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 you mean "she regrets" right? Here's why I don't think that's the case, heaven broke him down and caused his depression, he deeply fears heaven and for Charlie's safety. Yet he is able to get Charlie a meeting with Sera, which says a lot about his relationship with Sera and doesn't fear for her safety with her meeting with Sera.

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

​​@@Raven_The_Unkindprobably because Sera is not the levels of...i don't know, Heartless, like Adam

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

@@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441 yep!

[@mastermuffles7097]

51:13, Actually to add onto those unclear visuals in that one scene, Lute is not in fact cutting off Vaggie's wings with her blade. She is in fact, ripping them out of her back with her bare hands, while still holding the sword in her hand.

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

As for Charlie about Angels not making mistake "You really think that" being said by her and her expression says everything. He's literally saying to the daughter of THE angel who made the biggest mistake, that they don't make mistakes. And then Lute quickly swoop in, not letting it become a conversation

[@prodigal_southerner]

Lucifer did nothing wrong. Yhvh is the clear bad guy in Judeo-Christian mythology.

[@godsrevolver9737]

​@@prodigal_southerner I'm not a Christian, but that's not true. If the standard for good and bad are as the Bible says, god can literally not do wrong and every action he takes is good, given the context of the action. Modern Christianity is abandoning a lot of those stories anyway, or rather, not talking them literally.

[@prodigal_southerner]

@@godsrevolver9737 read the Bible and tell me Yhvh isn't one of the worst monsters in all of mythology. Commanding its followers to take child sex slaves should be enough evidence for most people, but it also prescribes marriage that cannot end in divorce as a punishment for rape. It also condoned slavery, genocide, and canonically killed all but one human family and a boatload of animals.

[@Mop_Head314]

​@@prodigal_southernerin the show they still even say Lucifer brought evil pretty much even though it's a accident supposedly so you can't say he did nothing wrong he did alot wrong.

[@prodigal_southerner]

@@Mop_Head314 when you compare him to all the shit Yhvh did, Lucifer is still the good guy. I think Gnostic Christians are the only ones who actually read the Bible, because they are the only ones who identify Yhvh as evil.

[@WeebGuru6]

Charlie being a flat/static character doesn’t work cuz these characters need to have the truth but the problem is she doesn’t have the truth and the story has shown this multiple times and she’s only right when the plot demands it so no she can’t stay static it would work naive characters I are inherently design to change also Charlie is an idiot 3 of the most powerful people in the show who tell her the truth about how things work with logic who has far more experience then her & she doesn’t have an argument against she’s going off of possibility not probabilities which isn’t good for a business.

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

The fan base is comparing this to lily orchards video on Steven universe

[@afterplague]

@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976 HUUUUUH??? The fan base is talking about my video??? I haven’t heard anything about that lol

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

@afterplague yeah hazbin twitter is treating you like you're just a hater lol

[@afterplague]

@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976 wow I actually found the thread! I wasn’t really expecting it to leave my KZbin bubble. Kind of a…unique experience 😉 Thanks for letting me know actually!

[@sc3nes4uce10]

Haha, didn't lily orchard like Hazbin? Of course she does... (-"-;)

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

This feels like a great insult

[@GuiltyGal]

I remember when i first watched the pilot, i was absolutely in love with the fandom. I was incredibly disappointed by the show, how it just sped through everything, no real emotion out of it. Ig the strongest thread that has me attached to it the most ever since the beginning has been the worldbuilding. Especially how sinners who die end up being a self actualised oc of themselves, its awesome.

[@a_naotenhonome780]

Honestly it feels like this show wants to tackle dark and nuanced topics, but doesn't have the maturity and understanding to do it

[@alexgomez6723]

Bingo. Vivzie’s work may have an adult veneer, but really, when you dig deep enough, you find they aren’t really as mature as they want to convince you, and it isn’t only because of the constant sex and swearing either.

[@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow]

The vivzie pop community might be one of the most toxic on the internet rn. Tons of 13 year olds pretending they’re mature and edgy and deep

[@Łuc1f3r_duck]

real- I love hazbin but the community is just so toxic

[@sebastianbronowicki7073]

We get these every now and again. After all, was the Rick and Morty fanbase really all that different?

[@barbararab6390]

Whats crazy is that the pilot had more character depth and charm than the official series. Charlie had much more personality in the pilot (she was childish but could stand her ground and had her limits). The animation was way better too. It felt more lively.

[@jimsmarma2890]

The pilot had actual soul. The pilot being better than the series is to Family Guy's first three seasons being better than the subsequent seasons.

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

Lucifer sends Charlie because when she talked about her relationship with her, she explicitly says that he only calls if he needs something or if he's bored. Given she's not just Princess but also Heir even though Lucifer is immortal, it implies that Charlie is being prepared to rule over Hell and so then with what she says, it's clear he sends Charlie to do his job, given it's also quite obvious through context that Lucifer doesn't want to rule

[@Shroomsta-54672]

The show is fine, but there is a LOT of room for improvement. I think the main problem is that they had a short amount of episodes so they had to squeeze in so many new characters and rush a lot of things like character. One thing I do like a lot is the songs tho

[@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441]

Yeah, 8 episodes?this is not a good thing

[@CallanRedwood]

Very true that's another gripe I have :/ I want to know more about the characters, some more then others, but regardless I want them to be expanded on and hopefully not in the rushed mess they were. 😮‍💨 more nifty ☺️ or husk, angel vaggi, zestial, carmilla, Vox and the angels side a bit more as it's confusing 😅

[@sebastianbronowicki7073]

Definitely. Shows have been steadily getting shorter and shorter over the years, and the content often suffers as a consequence, as character development gets shafted so the plot can happen.

[@Zenith3264]

The thing with Hazbin Hotel is that it is executed as a show that can give you a good laugh here and there and is geuninely a good show just to listen to. But the plot and writing at times makes zero sense.

[@batim_b5815]

How so

[@Zenith3264]

@@batim_b5815 the writing is absolutely terrible but everything else can be enjoyed it’s kinda like a Rick and Morty episode doesn’t make sense but still enjoyable to watch when zoning out / background noise

[@batim_b5815]

​@@Zenith3264No I enjoy the writing but it's not really all that funny imo feel like that could be worked on there's lots of things to enjoy in the show

[@Zenith3264]

@@batim_b5815 I mean for me its hard for me to actually pay attention to the writing because theres just so much missings parts / plot holes but the animation, humor (at times) and, soundtrack are all great though

[@prodigal_southerner]

What are the most egregious plot holes for you?

[@AJGecko18]

You say everything we were thinking but couldn’t say However, people have a gripe with the story book introduction because Charlie specifically is reading it, implying that she knows all of this, which then makes the scenes where Charlie is trying to explain her idea to fix overpopulation in hell contradictory.

[@moeheil8839]

Yea... Vivzie had no say in the episode count, unlike her other show, helluva boss

[@blaria95]

@moeheil8839, She wouldn’t have been allowed to have any ultimate say cuz A24 is not a fan of her writing. 😂

[@alexakroon-canning2578]

Vizi made helluva boss

[@moeheil8839]

@@alexakroon-canning2578 and helluva doesn't have rushed pacing

[@kingdingaling6516]

@@moeheil8839 You really believe that?

[@moeheil8839]

@@kingdingaling6516 I KNOW that, how long did it take from Ozzies till Blitzø and Stolas to actually talk?

[@sealaluna]

I agree with a lot of your points. I actually prefer the pilot over the actual show a lot. Yes the animations and sound effects are a lot better in the finished thing however when i watched the pilot i actually felt immersed in the story. When watching the finished season it feels like 'haha funni adult show where they swear and sing every 5 seconds, look how adult and edgy this is'. While i watched it, only a few times actually made me feel things (whether it was joy from laughing at the jokes, anxiety or sadness) while most of the time i just didn't really care. It's a shame since cleary many people put their heart and passion into it but the end result actually feels pretty soulless to me at least.

[@Maximum4power]

So glad the internet is far beyond the point of endlessly praising whatever shit vivziepop makes. Now we're looking past the point of "indie excellence" and now judging them as genuine peaces of art

[@CarlLikesToAnimate]

Seeing a lot of these comments getting angry that Someone has negative opinions of their perfect demon show is funny

[@landonstrong9686]

they all use the same language too. ‘Lol, 2 hours of yap’. Like…okay? It is what, 2-3 hours of content to analyze, and that’s not even considering that there are different parts of it to analyze?

[@franklyfrancis3462]

@@landonstrong9686Especially since most of them are outright admitting that they didn’t watch the whole video, or even any of it; like, at least try to consume the content you’re criticizing, lol.

[@RH_Collective]

It reminds me of the anti-Mauler argument of long critique =/= good critique

[@declanmckenna6854]

As much as I enjoyed this show, I have a ton of issues with it. One of my main ones is how it fails as a musical. This will have a bit of a lecture to it, so please bear with me. Songs in musicals (which traces back to opera) fall into one of 2 main types Recestive (songs about the happenings, aka plot songs) and Aria (which are about the emotional response and ideas of the plot, aka character songs). A functional musical requires at least 6 (a 3/3 mix) that includes: the opening number (which establishes the basic plot and world), the main character's introduction (the "I Want" song), a song to introduce our main antagonist, a song that introduces our secondary cast, a bridge between the First and Second Acts, and the Resolution/finale. These are the core pieces that need to be in the show and anything else needs to be in service of either progressing the plot (a resective), or explaining a character's thoughts and feelings about the story's events and their next plans (an aria). The other thing is that from just listening the 6 core pieces you should be able to understand 80% of the story and characters with the supplemental songs bringing it to 95% and the spoken dialouge being that last 5%. Now lets look at the Soundtrack. There are 16 pieces, which is a lot but which of the 16 pieces are the core 6 and if someone were to listen to just the soundtrack would you be able to come away with an understanding of who are characters are and what the plot is. Of all the songs in soundtrack, the only characters who actively sing about their desires are Vox, Pentious, and Carmilia. They are the ones who get the "I Want" songs which tells us that they are the main characters, and Carmilia gets the most, meaning she is the story's protagonist. The problem, Pentious is a secondary character and Vox and Carmilia are tertiary characters. This is a fundamental misplacement of the story's resources and actually a good example of all the issues the show has in a microcosm.

[@victoree6680]

this should have been stated clearly in both shows: hellborn are mortal. they can be killed and die of old age hellborn royalty are immortal and can only be killed with angelic weapons sinners are immortal and can only be killed with angelic weapons. upon "death" sinners will respawn, and apparently painfully

[@지선우-u9n]

i also think when she stopped adam's punch she unconsciously did that and that's not even her full power. the fact that you have insane power doesn't mean you can also utilize that power well without experience. i think charlie will grow much stronger throughout the series

[@therumbling4473]

29:44 I mean, they are adults, so some maturity is expected from them. So why wouldn't they be able to get pass Sir Pentius mistakes? 39:12 I think their relationship definetely had reached a breaking point. At that point, Husk didn't like Angel at all, because for the past months, Angel has been harassing him at every chance. It wasn't 'Angel flirting and Husk not responding well', it was sexual harassment. Even Vaggie says it. So of course Husk finally lost it and started screaming at him, until Angel says in what kind of situation he is and Husk begins to relate to him. That's why Husk opens up and tells him about his own situation with Alastor, and sings Loser baby, because they've reach a middle ground where they relate and understand each other. 42:40 I think that's the point. We know Alastor and Charlie don't really interact that much and tha they definitely aren't nearly close enough to have a parent daughter relationship. But Lucifer doesn't know that. And Alastor is literally lying and using his knowledge of Charlie to try and keep them from reconciling. 44:02 The song was about Lucifer bragging and Alastor trying to upstage him. Charlie was just a tool for them to fight over and see who was better. 44:32 Maybe he wanted a more personal take on Alastor from a close friend of his. 46:21 I took it as Charlie trying to make Lucifer feel bad, honestly. Like when you're mad and try to hurt the other person. I don't think Charlie actually thinks Alastor believes in her dream. I think she says something about it in ep 7. But Alastor IS helping her and she's just saying anything to convince Lucifer to help her too. She's hurt and mad with Lucifer. 47:49 That would be pretty cool. 54:05 I found it interesting that even Sera asks Adam to say what it takes to get into heaven. Like, how would he know? The angels AND SERA created him, they should be telling him why. 54:15 In heaven's defence, even if they knew what it takes to get into heaven, it would be what it takes for a human in earth to get there in their afterlife. The sinners Charlie is trying to help have already lived, already died and already passed divine judgement, how would anyone begin to know how you get a soul that has been living in hell for years and have already been judged into heaven all of a sudden. What Charlie is asking for is something impossible (at least until ep 8), like wanting to make humans fly when they just can't. 57:30 There has been a lot of cannibals during human history, to be fair. I'm gonna say they were cannibals in life. 57:55 I think she would still be considered an angel, but not holy or divine anymore. Like Lucifer is still an angel, as in that is his species. If Vaggie is a heavenborn and was never human, then yeah, even when fallen, they would not stop being an angel. The same way sinners don't stop being human in hell. 59:36 I didn't interpret the song that way. To me it felt that Carmilla was saying that fighting to not lose someone you care about is the only way you fight with all you have. That, to be fair is her point of view, is not set in stone. I took Vaggie getting her wings back as her finally accepting that part of herself, since it was said in previous episodes that she hated herself. 1:08:20 Because Lucifer would not interfere with the exterminations as long as they didn't involve his daughter. Once Adam was about to kill her, he came and went only after Adam. I think a big part of their relationship is that Charlie doesn't like to ask her father for things tho. Is not really surprising. 1:09:41 I think the funniest thing is that every sinner IS Adam's descendant. Like, he was right, he did start everything on earth. I find so funny that Charlie always is like "my people" when Charlie is the daughter of literally the two people in hell that are not related to humans. She's not relate to them at all, Adam is and yet, Adam wants to kill them. With that in mind, it does feel like Charlie is trying subconsciously to fix her parents mistake.

[@Bookshelf_Dragons]

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[@redadmiralofvalyria867]

Mah, god, u sir/mam have a GREAT grasp of everything It ESPECIALLY didn't occur to me the total and complete IRONY of Charlie. The literal PRINCESS of hell(i.e., NOT related to mankind)wants to save sinners While Adam, being the literal FATHER of mankind doesn't give a shit about them (even going in for having them killed) My own take: what's also ironic is how much Adam waves around his title of baring the seeds of humanity... even though he doesn't give 2 Shit's for em(rather prideful of him if u ask me)

[@kookerbridge-p1o]

Blah blah blah. Good points though.

[@지선우-u9n]

and to add,i'm personally excited for season 2 because vivziepop confirmed she will put sir pentious' backstory when he was alive and some of other characters' backstory she also implied the rule of death in hell will be more clarified etc what happens when sinners kill each other or when angels kill sinners. charlie's voice actress erika henningsen also gave hints that charlie will get depressed or feel more confliced and we will get a song based on that story and her voice will be much more different than her usual happy voice in that song.i hope the pace of show gets slowed down a little bit by making the numbers of episode or running time of each episode a little longer and give us world buildings as said in the interview. if you want to know where i got this information it is from ladie's night collider.i will give you a link

[@jonathanhibberd9983]

Hopefully if it did well enough, they'll bump it up to a full 12 episode season like most series are now.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Don't expect it to not be rushed like with Season 1.

[@LovesArt23]

Great video its nice to see more ppl bring that the lives streams while fun aren't helpful to the audience and kinda hurt the show if you havent done your homework Also heavily agree i miss pilot Alastors more Theatrics moments its the small things that really make a character stand out ❤

[@Your_L0cal-Editor]

Hi LovesArt!

[@지선우-u9n]

i admit this fandom can be toxic at times. i can understand some fans overreacting to criticism because this series has also a lot of haters harassing fans calling them dumb or even evil just for liking the show. and there were some genuine haters blindly and obsersively emphasizing only bad aspects of show even treating this as same as velma and calling their reviews objective. i think fans need to accept fair criticism like you have on this video AND also haters should not harass or bully fans for the sake of god

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

And Vivziepop needs to actually listen to those criticism instead of looking for negativity in every corner. The sooner she starts taking accountability for her own shortcomings and actually strive to do better, the less toxic the fandom will hopefully become. But of course, they're just dreams, so don't expect it to happen at all. The less she makes a fool out of herself, the less haters she has.

[@지선우-u9n]

​@nevaehhamilton3493 tbh recently vivziepop never engaged with refuting every criticism trending for a while so there might be hope but idk if that means she realized something. but even before vivziepop was hated by people because of her writing there were already hatedom and these days this toxic fans and haters' obseesive and unnecessary hate and valid criticism of people who are or were fans are mixed together so much that we can't distinguish them. that's the saddest part. people sometimes have to let go of the show and move onto another show but they enjoy harassing and even sending death threats to fans and artists and call it a day which is the saddest part.

[@pedrosaabedra5653]

Not me, I honestly hate this show with a passion, if you love this show good for you, just leave me out of your trash show.

[@지선우-u9n]

@@pedrosaabedra5653 lol i never said you are not allowed to hate this show. I was pointing out haters who actually harass fans physically and mentally just because they don't like a cartoon.(ngl that's pathetic behavior) If you are a hater who criticize this show and do not harass someone, that's good.

[@pedrosaabedra5653]

@@지선우-u9n Of course not, I'm not that kind of awful person, I'm just a normal hater who hates both shows for a good reasons, and could care less if they love it, if my girlfriend watches it on KZbin, I'll just end up leaving the room and watch my better shows I grew up watching. If you love it, all power to you.

[@doodlebayyy2025]

I honestly liked Charlie better in the pilot tbh, she was still naive and childish and still felt like the Disney princess of hell. However it worked because she seemed more passionate and charming like a Disney princess. The series Charlie kind of comes off more pathetic and she just doesn’t stand out at all in the series

[@Justaperson-on4mx]

Charlie always annoyed me, but the more I think about it, the worse of a protagonist and character in general she is. This because they set up so clearly that she had a very black and white, almost patronizing sense of morality that wasn’t realistic at all, and that this was a flaw she had. And then they just…never developed her. In fact, they basically decided she was right! She never suffered any real consequences, her plan worked for sir pentious (although he was never really evil-for some reason the show decided that it’s two examples of morally corrupt and bad people that can change are an innocent little pathetic man and a sa victim. Be fr), and although she really didn’t contribute to angel’s limited development she still got away with using him as an example in her trial..even though she never gave any proof that her hotel was the reason for his change of heart. and everyone was congratulating her in the final episode even though 1)they had to solve their problems with violence because she didn’t actually save anyone 2)her dad then had to rescue her butt she didnt even put up a fight against adam 3)for all they know sir pentious is just dead so she hasnt even proven her plan works yet!!! Why would Lucifer decide that she is right and now he believes? She isnt!!! Anyways thank u for coming to my ted talk

[@Sonic2024freedomera]

Because eveyone was fighting for defending their loved ones, when normally in hell, they would probably just say "fuck it, we leave to save ourselfs"

[@Justaperson-on4mx]

@@Sonic2024freedomera i see your point but I don’t really think anybody had a solid enough arc to say specifically that they were entirely selfish before and changed primarily because of Charlie and her hotel except husk (who is under contract anyway) and maybe angel dust (who changed more because of husk than because of Charlie)

[@Sonic2024freedomera]

@@Justaperson-on4mx still the point is that, Charlie changed them for the better, even if it is just a little

[@Justaperson-on4mx]

@@Sonic2024freedomera yeah that’s fair. my point still stands about the show kind of just making her plan work even though it is shown to be flawed in the earlier episodes, but I agree with you

[@Sonic2024freedomera]

@@Justaperson-on4mx understanded, and i think they would do something with that in season 2

[@H3llskids]

Okay it had potential ....that was not achieved at all...neither in the story nor the characters (both design , lore and personality wise) or even in the world building

[@지선우-u9n]

my thoughts: i think while charlie seems to have not contributed to redemption directly but she definitely created an environment where sinners can interact with each other closely not for crimes but with friendship and bond. like imagine if there was no charlie. sir pentious will get killed by vaggie's spear immediately. the reason why sir pentious stayed at the hotel in the end of 2nd ep was because of charlie's forgiveness and acceptance. if charlie never brought alastor husk will not be there to help and understand angel dust if charlie did not recruit angel he will have to constantly go to val more than current situation. sure he still goes to val for work but at least the fact that hotel's owner is morningstar family presumably made vox stop val from doing stupid things etc go to hotel and force angel dust back. and tbh while charlie's development will seem small but i think her development will be slow burn. you will not notice difference or development of her character until the end of season or even at the end of series. she not only learns how important it is to not cross personal boundaries but tried not to make same mistakes by not forcing angel dust back and even admitted and recognized her mistakes. she relies on violence for protection of sinners instead of just sticking to the plan of persuading heaven after realizing heaven's hypocrisy. i think the reason why charlie seems to be portayed as weaker than adam is because she never used her magic or fought for violence so it makes sense. i think charlie's full childhood backstory is not revealed yet so we will definitely slowly learn her past involving etc being sheltered because of protection of lucifer or lilith and even how she came up with redemption.

[@Bone_Incidents]

It’s ok to have cursing and sex jokes if you handle it correctly, cursing is meant to be emphasizing either a message in one’s sentence, or to shock the recipient for whatever purpose. “He died, Meg.” Is just telling the recipient (Meg) that some man had died. “He fucking died, Meg.” Might be more accusatory toward Meg in this case given the fact that the “fucking” in this sentence is emphasizing the unknown person’s death meaning the speaker here is not at all ok with it. It could also just be the speaker lamenting with intense regret or emotional pain. Using curse words too much isn’t exactly bad as when there’s an absence of it, the audience learns that’s when shit gets real for example “I was talking to these two douches about maybe fuckin Dante over one, getting my money back yeah?” Vs “I talked to the twins, we have a plan to get back at Dante. I’m going to get my money back, you hear?” If the show or story is usually relaxed and full of curse words, this feels abruptly serious and professional which can purposefully throw viewers/readers off. Vivzie almost does the second variation of this, but not even… it’s in the middle and in this case middle sucks.

[@1ns0mnac79]

I really can’t imagine how a few months ago I was liking this show a lot, now I can’t even bring myself to watch one episode without cringing because of how much swearing there is, the amount of swear words just makes it childish and annoying and the sex jokes aren’t even funny anymore they’re just bland and too tryhard-ish

[@franklyfrancis3462]

Honestly, same. For me it was just the gradual creeping realization of this show’s poor handling of SA (at least from my perspective as a victim), but I share a lot of the same criticisms as you, lol.

[@ChristopherCapersJones]

Lucifer made a deal with Heaven that only sinners would be exterminated, the immortals like Charlie were supposed to be spared as per that deal. Adam threatened to kill Charlie while Lute killed Dazzle in the battle which broke the deal allowing Lucifer to finally step in.

[@olangtea]

The way that you talk about sir pensions death scene!!! It was so unsatisfying!!! I literally had made an animatic cause it upset me so much they did him SO DIRTY!!!

[@The_RealdarkXwolf17]

i wonder why people HATE mimzy when all she did was sing and bring trouble while other people think that VALENTINO isnt the worst one? Val abuses angel dust and mimzy just brings trouble???

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

EXACTLY

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

I also like how in the pilot alastor is inauthentic and I wish he was like that in the show

[@nuggetthecatplaylist]

THANK YOU SOEMONE BRINGS UP THE USLESS NESS IF RAZEL AND DAZEL THE LINE WITH LUCI IS CUTE BUT THEY SURIVE NOTHING! THEY ARE NEVER AROND THE DEATH IS POINTLESS AND THEY ARE USLESS very cute but less They growl at Al and what else? Not much of anything ever

[@horakhtythecreator6911]

Also the fact Vaggie just gets Dazzle killed because she couldn’t be bothered to use her own damn wings to fly up to fight Adam and Lute. She didn’t need Dazzle to get her to them, and because she was lazy she’s at fault for Dazzle dying. And Charlie is just as unbothered by Vaggie getting one of her childhood friends/pets killed as she is blindly forgiving Vaggie for lying for the entirety of their relationship and committing mass genocide on her people in her past without so much as an apology.

[@Hepheat75]

My main issue with the show is how childish it feels and how bloated an poorly written the story is.

[@starlightsoiree]

Certified Vivziepop-Disliker here: I really enjoyed this video! Part of the thing that puts me off of her content is definitely the way so much of her audience will rabidly defend any decision she makes, whether it's in something like execution or in production. It makes it so any time even a good-faith criticism is left, you'll be bombarded with comments that are like 'UHM? SOURCE??' or 'THAT WAS NEVER PROVEN' even if it's like. A pattern of behavior or a criticism of Spindlehorse's turnover rate or something. THAT BEING SAID: the way you scripted this and presented things was lovely and felt like a nice chat over coffee. Even with what you've shown here, I can definitely see why people would love Hazbin so much. It's a unique concept, and I have questions that would make me engage with the story, but as you yourself have said, it doesn't look like they've been answered. I've been purposefully avoiding the show for years at this point because of the fanbase, but you didn't write this as someone trying to take the piss out of people critical of the work, and I watched the whole thing. I'd love to see more breakdowns in the future!

[@afterplague]

Thank you for this comment. I appreciate it a lot!

[@Ludi_Chris]

One problem is a lot of stuff people might need to know is in hours of live-streams Viv has done. And only the diehard fans who absorb this stuff up know the important information.

[@Nocturnie]

I’ll be honest Charlie’s character is way to naïve for someone who’s a princess of hell like dude…she lives in hell and she’s so naive that she doesn’t understand what goes on in a porn studio or overloaded contracts? Like she can be hopeful but don’t make her annoyingly hopeful

[@Nocturnie]

Also, another point I have is Charlie’s demon form is way too used. It’s way too overused like if she’s mad show it subtly not have her literally sprout everything out because she made it kinda makes her seem like she doesn’t know how to control herself even more again princess of hell and yet she doesn’t know basic like rules of the kingdom. She’s supposedly ruling and watching over and wanting to protect like, this writing like it’s just one thing for one episode to be this bad and then another when it’s literally all eight episodes that feel like this is more powerful and she depends to defend the hotel, it’s one thing for one episode to be this poorly written, but when it’s literally the entire season of the series or even the final battle seemed mediocre and water down yeah it doesn’t make me wanna watch this series anymore like me and my sister like hell of a boss way more than we do has been like at least that the characters get more character development than the ones in this actually funded TV series like what

[@Nocturnie]

I know my rant is getting a little too long, but I keep finding things that I just don’t like about the show and one thing is the relationship between vaggie and Charlie again as a lesbian their relationship seems more to just best friends than actual girlfriends like it’s not even to the point of oh they should kiss a lot like no they shouldn’t that takes away from their emotional side of their relationship, but it doesn’t even feel like there is even a relationship it feels like a babysitter babysitting a child at this point i.e. Charlie being the child who can’t stay out damn trouble and vaggy always having to clean up Charlie’s messes she has like an angel was amazing. It was an awesome reveal confirmed a lot of peoples tears about it but again, like a lot of things in the show their relationship has no wait to it because we don’t get that build up or like any character development from either of them and like vaggy being an exorcist and stuff doesn’t even really go into anything to do with the last fight like if she’s supposed to be like this like wow angel defender, kinda character, why is she constant tossed around all the time?

[@지선우-u9n]

vivziepop said some details of pilot is not canon but its main event is canon so i'm assuming they changed lucifer calling her failure to disagreeing with her plan and probably said harsh about her project but not herself.

[@artistanthony1007]

Every ruler has been made softies including Ozzie and Bee, no shxt she changed that and Lucifer was loving, that's what I hate about these shows, Viv can't stick with them representing evil and bad things.

[@지선우-u9n]

@artistanthony1007 whatever. although i disagree i can see your point and respect that. vivziepop still made mammon who is faithful to a sin of greed and the rest of sins seem to show good sides of what we thought as a sin. for example pride of one's own family, physical love with agreement and happiness caused by eating food and drinks etc. you can dislike the show and leave your opinion respectfully like this comment and i truly appreciate that you did it

[@MusicalBookworm976]

Hiii! Reallly appreciated your analysis, made me look at the show through a different lens, which is always enjoyable. I thought it was super interesting the way you viewed episode 5 in particular, since I saw it in a fairly different way! I assumed that Alastor immediately disliked Lucifer due to his own pride - as Lucifer treated him the same as everyone that's not Charlie. The "father competition" imho is not about Alastor caring about Charlie, is about him taking advantage of the situation to ingrate himself further with Charlie, while riling up the person that "offended" him. He's just that petty lol. I also thought that his verse in "Ready for this" corroborated this idea - He's at the hotel to invest in a future pawn (Charlie), and realizes that Lucifer could be a thorn in his side towards being able to manipulate her, which gives him another reason to want him gone. Anyways, amazing video! Looking forward for more

[@moeheil8839]

Alaster died in 1933, not the 20s

[@PunishedKrab]

Died in 1933? Welcome back, Third Reich!

[@artistanthony1007]

That's not what the show says so that info wouldn't be known unless some fan like you would tell what it is.

[@moeheil8839]

@@artistanthony1007 and I did tell you, so your welcome

[@sageourplanetmeow]

Yeah it is 1933, I’m just guessing he’s more centred around the 20s because he only got to live for three years in the 30s

[@Lees_Automotive_36972]

Wouldn’t radio be dead by the 1950s? Or morally advanced? I don’t know But apparently he was alive for the stock market crash

[@지선우-u9n]

interesting point i noticed is if you pay attention to ep 1's lucifer intro story lucifer also knows how to use sparkling firework power in the background

[@afterplague]

I definitely didn't notice that! The background details in the show are honestly fantastic

[@지선우-u9n]

@afterplague i agree if you listen closely to background music in the intro part you can also know it's the same melody of more than anything

[@mintyblossom3930]

16:55 explaining why I think this deal set up is important, 1. Shows that deals are like serious business and have some sort of magic to them 2. Lowers the stakes of making a deal with alastor, it’s like he’s trying to make the other characters feel more comfortable trusting him. It explains his later deal with Charlie in Episode 6

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

I think reason why stuff is missing is due to time constraints and telling characters stuff because they don't be trusting em either Basically issues be flying

[@jazmynecotton6773]

I agree with like everything you said. But for the part where lucifer showed up late to the fight there is actually a reason behind that. I might be wrong but in the agreement between lucifer and heaven I think there was something in the agreement about him not being able to go interfere with heaven and the extermination unless a hell born is harmed. So he really wasn't able to help till Charlie was in the fight and Adam beat her ass so then he was able to help. I hope that makes sence.(also don't quote me on this I might be wrong about everything😅) thanks for reading

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

This is an interesting take. Someone who considers it a bad show but genuinely loves it.

[@afterplague]

I think it’s like how people enjoy fast and furious movies. They not critically very good, but they’re enjoyable!

[@GrimtheSnake]

I'm the exact same way honestly

[@VelvetteSimp]

But I just genuinely have an unironic enjoyment for it I don't think its anywhere near bad in the slightest

[@umsirifazendobarra00]

same, I love it and I think it’s actually very well done- it’s always nice to see people really enjoy the show without immediately taking to slander even if they have a more negative opinion on it

[@MatJohnson-b1b]

Well at least hazbin hotel was better than Velma

[@midnightmorpher9066]

That’s a low bar lmao. I can’t think of any show that’s worse than Velma (only good thing I can say about that show is the art style, which is genuinely pretty to look at)

[@SuhaibAbdullahi-r5g]

FINALLY I love how critics are starting to not treat it like the greatest thing ever I truly hate both shows they both suck, and are just some emo overpowered over emotionals people.Not demons or angels this is horrible the concepts great but the executions trash.

[@aaronatkinson177]

I still love vivziepops work despite the writing flaws i just like the animation style and most of the songs are very good 👍 👌

[@HeartCloud]

I was expecting this review to be really negative, but thank god I was wrong after I watched your 2 hour long review. I've watched MANY reviews of Hazbin Hotel and it is really clear that this show is far from perfect, but is nowhere near unbearable. Most say that the talent and creativity is there, it's just that the limited amount of episodes to tell a big storyline was rushed as hell and it just leads to everything being undercooked. That's what I'm really hoping that Season 2 has more episodes and actually slows itself down to actually let the audience take a breather on what is happening on screen. With that said, I enjoyed Hazbin Hotel for the horrendous mess that it is. The writing leaves a lot of things to be desired, but everything else from the animation, songs, voice acting, and characters is what makes me enjoy the show. I always like to look at every core element when it comes to showcasing my thoughts on media. I don't like to be negative when it comes to media, so I try to find positives in something good or bad. I am a fan of this show, but I'm someone who does acknowledge its many flaws and how individuals who aren't a fan of the franchise might not be into it. Even if sitting through many different critiques of Hazbin Hotel has been rather difficult for me to continue with myself being a fan, I always just give out my thoughts on the show whether it is on a positive/negative review and move on with my day. Angel Dust is my favorite character in the series. I just adore every second he is on screen. The way he develops as a character was great, but I wished to see his development. What I like about Angel is that deep under that mask of confidence and lust, he is deep down a very sweet guy who is suffering immensely by the hands of Valentino. His reasonings that he has to wear this mask to cope with the pain and shield away his vulnerability is very sad to witness of him that I really wished to see more of him if the first season had more freaking episodes! He is a sweetheart who cares for the ones around him as Anthony, but due to the contract he has with Valentino, he needs to act like a nobody just to survive in his afterlife. Angel Dust to me is a character that I adore so much that I wished the show itself gave him the time to actually showcase that he is a changed person since the beginning. His spotlight episode, Episode 4 is my favorite episode of the season because it felt more personal and character driven and it is different compared to the plot heavy episodes. Learning about Angel for who he is as a character, his relationships with Charlie and Husk were very nicely presented, the duo of songs are the best in the season, and it makes me emotionally feel bad for Angel when he gets abused by Valentino. If the first season was more like Episode 4, then the show would've been less of a mess without having to make the season way too ambitious if it was only given 8 episodes. Hazbin Hotel to me is an enjoyable mess of a show that I can't help, but not hate it for what it is trying to be. A lot has got to be desired, but I enjoy watching despite it all. Overall, I was expecting this review to be mostly negative, but I'm glad that there were some positivity to round it up in this long video that I let myself watch.

[@VoxiconVoxicola]

Season 2 is confirmed to have 8 episodes

[@CAmintronics101]

The main problems I had is that we got a bit more within the pilot than the actual show. I get Amazon is a major play in this since they only allowed 8 episodes per season and that’s ridiculous I’m looking at Primes other shows like The Boys and they have 8 episodes and 4 seasons. (I know Hazbin now has 4 seasons being worked on) According to Google they have 32 episodes total?? I don’t understand it. But it’s quite unfair that these shows that has so much lore surrounding them 8 episodes is not enough for a show like Hazbin to fully flesh out their lore and their characters. I just wish Prime would allow them to have more than 8. Each character is very unique. I love Angels Dust design although it confuses me what type of spider he was due to how he’s designed. I’ve seen artist like LovesArt make wonderful redesigns that matches to the spider that he’s soupped to be. Angel dust was interesting next to Alastor due to their lore. I wanted to know more about them and glad S2 is giving us more lore for Alastor. Sir P should’ve gotten Angel Dust place because it does show that Sir P shown more progress than Angel ever has. I know he’s slowly working his way up. And that’s probably the point. But we need to see more improvement. I love Angel much as the next person but up to that point of S1. We don’t see much of Angel improving except for the last episode where he’s used as an example to show that he’s redeemable. And Emily makes a great point as NOBODY knows what gets someone into heaven. Do they not really know it is Adam pulling the strings on keeping sinners down in hell? It’s just confusing all around. I love the show and was very hyped. I know im late but hopefully this makes sense to anyone I found you on my fyp page on KZbin and I agree with you on most of it. I didn’t like Welcome to Heaven song due to it not being catchy enough. It’s fine for what it was it just felt so out of place despite the other songs we had. I’m used to songs like from Helluva Boss and those are incredible! I’d love to see what you’d do if you do cover that show. It’s so suspicious on Lilith and Alastor being gone for the same time. I question why and what kept them away for so darn long and hopefully we get more of Lilith in S2 3 & 4

[@WonderousSmiles]

I believe you and I are in the same camp. I love the show! it's fun, the characters are all very cute, and the journey the series took is inspiring. But also it's very cringe and bad, lol. Don't sweat too much about the comments calling you a "hater". You must understand, the fanbase is very young and they tend to take things personally. Give them time, and they'll understand the unstoppable bond between a nerd and their incredibly flawed franchise. Star Wars fans know what I'm talking about!

[@afterplague]

HA I like that attitude. I’m not really fazed by the comments, thankfully. I appreciate the range of opinions I’ve seen and I love seeing how passionate people are in fandoms Takes me back to my… Voltron days *shudder* 😆

[@_Spekku_]

I once read that that the show's main audience is millenials that peaked in 2010's tumblr

[@RetroReviewsMovies]

42:46 Pretty sure Alastor is trying to make it seem as if they are close because he wants to mess with Lucifer because he thinks it’s funny.

[@fionajd5149]

finally people are realizing how this show is so emo middle schooler 😍

[@REDSKITTLE_VR1567]

2 hours is wild just to talk about a show imo

[@technogist4779]

No wonder some churches are confusing it as a kids show and try to give awareness, because it’s childish with the cartoony sounds and takes stuff lightly. And since it seems like it’s for kids it starts looking normal but then goes into edgy over the top stuff and swearing like they just learned bad words

[@babygorilla4233]

Its funny how rabid the fanbase is because every critical peice about the show feels like it has to talk down to them about how were not saying your bad for liking it. Why bother with it look at the comments its all salty fans still 😂

[@Dumpsterhuggies]

Didn't watch the video lol but I couldn't believe people were actually happy waiting 5 years for that crap, the whole praise for this show read like cope. I'm not saying I wanted it to be like that but I'm glad when the dust settled people generally came to the right conclusion about it, same shit with Helluva Boss.

[@System_Spark]

I also love this show and agree it just isn’t good 😂 Speaking from experience, I fully understand why Angel genuinely believed Val would harm Charlie though. You don’t really have much of an ability to think things through in front of such an abuser with a time crunch like he had. Angel knows that Val is unhinged and, as the audience, we learn that too. Hell, I believe Val is emotional enough to hurt Charlie. She’d probably make him regret it, but Angel doesn’t want to take that chance. He wants Charlie to remain free from his own personal hell.

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

I like this perspectives

[@Rainbowsyoungersister]

Infinity Train > Hazbin Hotel. We honestly could’ve had the other 4 unreleased seasons of Infinity Train released instead of Vivziepop’s terrible, shock-value filled, trashy, asinine writing. At least Infinity Train’s creator doesn’t immediately throw swears and random insensitive SA jokes, like Viviziepop does, and has a good plot, unlike Viviziepop’s shows. #finishInfinityTrain

[@pjdixon6199]

Womp Womp

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

Charlie shows Angel because he's her first choice, she says exhibit A, showing that she has multiple people to talk about. Adam highjacks everything which is why Charlie seems unprepared. And the show, shows you that she didn't expect him to be there in the first place.

[@bluebear6941]

Okay dude dont you have anything better to do than comment so fucking much to a KZbinr which gave her opinion on something she enjoys like dude give her some fucking credits

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

​@@bluebear6941 I'm not bashing her or anything? I'm giving constructive feedback while watching the video

[@artistanthony1007]

​@Raven_The_Unkind You are literally typing comments an absurd number of times, that's spam and she very likely does not like you just posting comments soooo much.

[@colvamoon6962]

​@artistanthony1007 the fact that you are engaging eith him proves that he's effective. Who's the fool now?

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

@@colvamoon6962 lol I'm honestly confused at the hostility

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

I don't think Sera will be a villain, a reluctant antagonist though, yes. Every single time Lucifer's fall is brought up. Sera is excluded from the equation. In the prologue which is diegetic because it's a book Charlie actually has. Sera isn't portrayed as part of the Elders that judged him, only portrayed as one of the angels that started humanity and also looking down in shame over the exorcist. If it's a book Charlie has which talks about her at the end. This is written by someone in hell, most likely her parents. Why would they portray Sera being in shame of agreeing? Just like you constantly see her regret on her face in the Hearing. Then we see in Lucifer's song, Sera isn't one of the Seraphim that pulled spears on him. Then in the Hearing, she talks about Emily's potential fall, not that she would fall him. And lastly. How can Lucifer get Charlie to meet someone in Heaven if he's banned? Sera is indeed the ruler of Heaven, she's based on Seraphiel in Judeo-Christian scripture, the leader of the Seraphim and described as Tall as the 7 Heavens, which is why she's so tall. Now, how can someone banished be able to get his daughter to meet the Ruler? Cus his connection to Heaven IS Sera. That's why she's willing to hear Charlie in the first place.

[@bluebear6941]

Well if the theory which idk if its confirmed or not its true that Lucifer was a seraphim himself and we only saw another seraphim other than sera which is Emily her younger sister. What if Lucifer if the younger brother of Sera and he feels betrayed getting kicked by his own sister which you said is the ruler of heaven which means she definitely had a vote in it. And Lucifer has meetings with heaven all the times like the one in the first episode which Charlie went to cause Lucifer couldn’t. There is one thing to get banned there is something else to get completely ignored by heaven after. They made a deal too for the extermination not to kill hellborns

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

​@@bluebear6941 angels with 6 wings is the big physical trait of what a Seraph is in Judeo-Christian lore. Of course she had a say in the vote though, my point was that because of the visuals and context, Sera didn't fall him, she was most likely the only one against the fall but 6 vs 1 wins in favor of fall

[@Bexided]

From one Hazbin fan to another, maybe put all of your comments into one instead of making a new comment for every point you have to make? Would be a lot more organized that way imo

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

@@Bexided I was making comments as the info came in the video, also most people don't read giga wall of texts in comments ^^'

[@obehiikhigbonoaremen1241]

I agree so much!!! I Think Sera and Lucifer had a complex relationship!

[@FaeFixion]

The songs are great, but the writing is… erm… something… and Charlie might be a Mary Sue of some kind…

[@Theokal3]

So I am sure someone already told you that, but.... no Sinners cannot die by default, at least not permanently. Apparently unless an angelic weapon is used, they will have their body destroyed but just (painfully) respawn over time. I know that because it's on the wiki, but seeing so many reviewers not knowing makes me realize "Holy shit, this really is info that should have been in the show." Seriously, they should have done something like showing a Sinner respawning or even kill a main character only to have him return later and comment that returning is a pain or something. Not even any need for an exposition dump.... ... Aaand I just realized they did that with Velvet. My bad. Still, some extra moments could have helped.

[@candyfloss_rozelyn]

the good place did what hazbin hotel couldn't, prove me wrong

[@afterplague]

The Good Place is one of my favorite shows ever ❤️

[@mrghost545]

The reason Lucifer didn’t come till to the end of the battle is because Lucifer allowed the exterminations to happen as long as the hellborn were safe, Lucifer was unable to intervene until the contract was broken by Adam and lute for killing one of Charlie’s dragons then attacking Charlie herself

[@yourpaloven4133]

Hazbin is also something Viv made in her head back in 2008 when she was in like middle school. That isn’t at all a bad thing but that means a lot of Hazbin, like it or not is coming from her inner child, which might be part of the reason it has many flaws.

[@edits.youtube6981]

One of my main complaints about it was some of the songs, sometimes it feels like they went for quantity over quality

[@fnfethusiast6508]

The only good thing I liked about this show was Adam, he hard carried season 1 for me at least. Now that Vivzie confirmed he’s not coming back after all the Sinner Adam hype I’m not gonna bother with this show anymore lmao The main group themselves suck and are not interesting to say the least The plot felt rushed and speedy Not to mention Vivzie herself gets herself into countless drama I am done with Hazbin Hotel in general

[@Collie-King]

I love Hazbin, but it’s honestly so frustrating when I see the missed potential behind it.

[@econartist_therealest]

It would honestly be so interesting if Charlie had bad intentions with the hotel and was PURPOSEFULLY being vague with the requirements of redemption. You don't see many MCs being horrible people it'd be so different and fitting for the setting being HELL (there's bad people in hell. take advantage of it please)

[@manyyoumas]

Viv’s fans will defend her for everything, but I don’t see how anyone can look past her drawing FAN ART of a known grifter/transphobe blaire white. We wanna act like this show does such a service for our community? when all of the queer pairings are super toxic, unhealthy, or just half baked like Chaggie? And the creator not only called Blaire White a “controversial lady she looks up to”, but took time out of her day to draw fan art of her. Riddle me this: if Viv was truly unaware of the extent to which Blaire is a horrible person, WHY would she have mentioned how controversial she is in her original post before it was taken down? Huh! It’s almost like Viv knew the entire time and didn’t care. She only acted when people rightfully criticized her, and even THEN her apology was super passive aggressive in tone, blaming people for bringing it up and using her mental illness as an excuse. Shocker, but I have suffered mental illness too, but bizarrely it didn’t turn me into a transphobe overnight! Weird how that works! That incident alone, for me, is worth writing Vivziepop off completely. And I feel like for anyone who genuinely believes this show is such amazing representation has no idea that hun, you are getting the bare minimum and this could be so much more with so much more thought and nuance put into it, instead of settling for the burnt bits in the bottom of the oven. If you DO care for this piece of media, you should know why criticizing it is important. But anyway, even if you ignore that incident completely (which I personally feel is a huge disservice to trans ppls lives that have been directly effected by transphobia) there is still SO. MUCH. That Viv has done wrong, that it almost feels like she goes out of her way to ignore kind intentioned advice and critique. She couldn’t even handle a silly meme being made about her writing style without going on a mega thread Twitter rant once again! From stupid small decisions like that, to very stupid big decisions like making jokes about characters getting SA’d even though AngelDusts suffering is supposed to be taken incredibly seriously. It just proves to me she’s not worth supporting and I’m glad that more and more people seem to be realizing that, but there’s a large audience of this show that’s just children who simply don’t care, and will probably reply to this saying “omg if you don’t like it don’t say anything !!11!” Vivziepops career getting ended for real is on my 2025 bingo card, I’m just interested to see what exactly it will take for more people to wake up.

[@astarteswillum5259]

I spent years waiting for this show just to end up being disappointed by it.

[@Yarinoyami]

This reads as an entirely earnest, good faith critique of each episode in turn, while I can tell that you still have fondness for the show. Absolutely a pleasant video and I think all your critiques land as on point, as someone who adores this show... while thinking it has a LOT of issues all over in it.

[@ByrdieFae]

OR, Lucifer could have initially said yes to Charlie about rebelling against Heaven, but then when he gets off the phone we see that he obviously has reservations about the idea (WITHOUT TALKING) and basically comes late to the fight because he chickened out at first. Or "ducked" out, rather. Probably wouldn't have happened but I would have liked that.

[@catalyst9955]

you know it’s entirely possible that demons only get redeemed (if they were worthy of such redemption) after they die.

[@bananasinfrench]

Excellent analysis! I really want to like the show, it just acts so disinterested in itself that it skips all the actually interesting stuff. I get the didn't have control over how many episodes they got, but they could have slowed things down to fit it better, and it sucks to see al the potential that was dumped over the side as a result. Anyway Sir Pentious is my favorite little guy hope he has a great time in heaven

[@jadethunderhoof288]

It just unfortunately goes to show it’s probably better to tell your story the way you want instead of putting it all into one basket because you’re afraid nobody is gonna hand you another basket.

[@blaria95]

“Hazbin Hotel is a bad show.” You said it, sister. You said it so easily too because it’s the truth! 😂

[@Zenith3264]

It's honestly not that crazy of an idea to grasp. I mean look at those shitty horror movies. Nobody are watching them for the plot or the writing. It's just what people see that get people interested. Same thing here. Hazbin Hotel is a great show to get a good laugh in and just to zone out even though half it doesn't make sense.

[@alexgomez6723]

@@Zenith3264But it expects you to take it seriously, that’s the issue.

[@zalexianimate5304]

It actually feels like a bad written fanfiction of the Bible. I like the characters design but their building feels like something’s missing. Everything feels so rushed for 8 episodes.

[@earlytumblr]

1:12:08 this has always fucked with me actually, why can't Charlie be kind while also taking advantage of her power? Like I know she's supposed to be kind and wonderful and shit but for gods sake she's the princess of hell and she's so whimsical it's unbelievable. I hate how Hell's so called hierarchy is completely nonexistent. Why is everyone so comfortable disrespecting the royal family??? Why does the royal family take the disrespect???

[@lk-pheo962]

My beef with Charlie and Vaggie's relationship is that it's severely underplayed. If you weren't told they were a couple, you could easily mistake them for siblings.

[@camerondalton1495]

To be fair, couples that have been together for a while aren't always going to be touchy feely and doe eyed going on about how much they love each other.

[@pjdixon6199]

You make-out with your siblings?

[@camerondalton1495]

@@pjdixon6199 Certainly not siblings, but close platonic friends. I think they are trying to say.

[@CAT-2323]

Damn. That’s such a good drawing you made.

[@afterplague]

Thank you!

[@ajstudios9210]

I'm glad people finally realized.

[@-mmm-kay7980]

Honestly, what bothers me about the husk moment is that it feels meaningless. If it has a bit more swing to it, then i wouldn't even have minded. In a sense of showing what kind of relationships he has with the other crew members/ how he views them. Even if its not in character for how the viewer see the cast. It could have been a good scene but its just so flat.

[@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman]

The idea of the show is very good, it got me curious. I only think the expositions in dialogue can be too much sometimes.

[@CallanRedwood]

On the topic of Alastor and if he can be redeemed?. I think artistically the direction of him remaining a villian and continuing his path as the character he is portrayed as would be better instead of defaulting to the norm most do and having a changing moment or (bright light) Would just be a cool risk and change of direction that isn't how most stories end up being. Then again im willing to acknowledge maybe im personally just bored and want to see/feel something different its annoying guessing linear outcomes.. 😶 I do enjoy the storie so far in alot of ways but the contradicting plot points and many other tyings does make it hard to fully emerse myself in the world and lore. However i am surprisingly hoping it evens out.

[@Bendymonter_clown]

I'm going to say Charlie should have Listened to her dad but No she is toooooo stubborn to understand the consequences of her actions and in hell is too red like I almost gets dizzy by the to much red bruh I agreed you don't like hazbin hotel but don't worry I don't like it too

[@PAAUpals]

This comment is really clunky and hard to read, Please consider rewording and editing.

[@ErraticANGZT]

43:54 i mean to be fair. from what I saw from how charile is reacting to alastors comments about them being close. she looked seemly confused, but was masking it, maybe to not be rude to alastor?and just went along with it. then again there was that comment she made that ep. about alastor doing so much more than lucifer has for her-