Hazbin Hotel's "Poison" BREAKS ME

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[@Jininxica]

as an sa victim i love how they portrayed angels fear of val in episode 4. the room literally on fucking fire and yet angel is just focused on val... the biggest threat in the room.

[@PastaV4]

yeah... that's pretty messed up

[@angiesc11]

i agree.

[@Yourgirlhannah33]

"Would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?" Bear. 100%. At least the bear could be reasoned with. At least the bear would make it quick. At least the bear wouldn't lock me in its basement for 20 years.

[@THE_funnyalt]

as an sa victim i 100% agree, episode 4 was amazingly written

[@IDKwhyimhere675]

@@Yourgirlhannah33bears stalk and torture its prey. And it will do that for days or weeks if it wants to. In no world will a bear make it quick.

[@kristinakostic2388]

The "every time they introduce a new character, they immediately introduce their rival" theory bit is so freaking funny when put in context of episode 5

[@dawnwayfinder]

Lucifer vs Mimzy? Let's go! :D

[@lmaolini]

no stop I didnt even think of that😭😭

[@mazingdaddid]

I like the idea that Charlie and Katie Killjoy are rivals.

[@jas.per.25]

"it's setting [Loser, Baby] up for failure" *Is literally the highest grossing, objectively most popular song*

[@jakubgodyn7413]

Really? It is good but Poison, Hell is Forever and You didn't know are better

[@jas.per.25]

@@jakubgodyn7413 in my opinion I agree but statistically it has (last time I checked) most listens out of all the songs on all platforms, and has more positive comments in comment and review sections from observation. I think it's a little overrated and I personally think hell's greatest dad and Hell is forever are much better but from a statistical standpoint it remains most popular.

[@SleepyStreak]

@@jakubgodyn7413 It's easily my favorite. Good vibe, amazing message.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

​@@jakubgodyn7413So are Hell's Greatest Dad and Should've Stayed Gone

[@jakubgodyn7413]

@@nuclearcatbaby1131 HGD has Mimsy part. It kinda brigns it down a bit.

[@infinty_yt]

It's astounding to me that this is Blake Roman's first real role. After they announced the cast I did some research, and Blake didn't even have an IMDB page. He was a complete nobody, and he stole the show for me. He also voiced the egg bois, so W.

[@laurelleaves]

He had his Broadway debut and first TV role so close together and in both he's been talked about as a standout, it's really impressive. I can't wait for more of him!

[@dropletq3477]

yeah no this isnt. he was a broadway actor and this is his first voice actor role however.

[@infinty_yt]

@@dropletq3477 right, he was in one broadway gig. I say real role because that didn't bring him any real fame. No imdb page, no interviews i could find. From what I've heard, he sent in an audition while most of the other cast was asked directly for an audition

[@laurelleaves]

@@infinty_yt tbf most actors on broadway don't include their stage roles on imdb, thats more for film and tv

[@infinty_yt]

@@laurelleaves yeah, that's actually fair. Charlie's VA and others have it listed, so I just assumed they include broadway roles in it. My bad.

[@dejaypage1575]

Also Husk was giving Angel his whole life story because Angel thinks no one understands the loss of identity he had gone through. Husk is basically saying, “I literally lost all of the stuff I accumulated to a psychopath. Trust me when I say there are people in a similarly shitty place.”

[@Treegona]

Husk is literally a husk of his former self - Alastor took his *name.*

[@FFKonoko]

They are both addicts. They both made bad deals. They both are under the heel of psychopaths. Making a connection and letting Angel feel understood is the big step to Angel getting less defensive about it, putting down his fake walls with the right people, and working to just accept the whole package.

[@TheDangerNoodle]

20:26 Theres this funny fan comic where Stolas, from Helluva Boss (who "loves words" and is "really good with contracts" according to himself) looks over Angel and Val's contract and says "This isn't legally binding. You both only signed with your first name! And Anthony signed with an illegal character! His name isn't *Heart Sign Anthony*, you know that right?"

[@cauticaluka4261]

We need this in real life altho clearly it is binding because val has the chains but still

[@fuggler2465]

@@cauticaluka4261 Maybe it's like real contracts? Like unless someone points out that it isn't legally binding than it is?

[@ine7966]

i read that in stolas' voice lmfaoo

[@-Some_Random_Chicken-.]

Omg, I saw one like that where Stolas went “you know Angel’s actual name isn’t Angel, right? Therefore this isn’t legal?”

[@ash-w-2984]

@@-Some_Random_Chicken-. On the contract he signed "Anthony" Which is his real name. Angel is essentially his "screen name" which he has adopted to be the name he calls himself

[@Micro.mo.wave.]

Apparently, in the Italian dub, instead of Angel saying "Do you know how much I'm worth?" he says "Do you know how much I cost?" and that just breaks me inside a little.

[@sugarbunny6235]

Ya, I’m gonna start crying now

[@Sweezo1]

in angel's native language too

[@pinklizard1589]

@@Sweezo1 wait is it the characters canon or the va?

[@AmyAberrant]

@@pinklizard1589the character is Italian American

[@AmyAberrant]

Heartbreaking

[@honestlyboringperson]

Fun Fact: It isn’t Husk’s VA first time being a black cat. He shares a VA with the cat from Coraline

[@Shiro.a_horny_bsd_fan]

Danny made that joke a while ago

[@cybersearcher1041]

Wait deadass that’s amazing

[@aaaeeeea530]

And not his first time voicing a gambler who deals in sould

[@DIOPSIDE7995]

Husk's in community the bad part but still in community

[@booklover311]

He is also the bad guy in the princess and the frog.

[@MarMonkey2606]

The reason why Zestial, the tall spider guy sounds like he's from a Shakespearean play is because he is literally from the era of Shakespeare I wouldn't be surprised if Zestial, literally met Shakespeare when he was alive.

[@BOYVIRGO666]

or is shakesspear.

[@TotallyNotHayley]

@@BOYVIRGO666 holy fuck imagine that as a plot twist tho

[@BOYVIRGO666]

@@TotallyNotHayley IT would be amusing but I doubt it

[@goingghost8297]

If you notice, the musical number is angel dissociating from the traumatizing work day. What’s happening in the screens in the background is what’s ACTUALLY happening

[@megannnB]

Also the "ahhhhh" parts in the song match with when he would be screaming

[@goingghost8297]

@@megannnB that causes yet another painful twist in my stomach

[@megannnB]

@goingghost8297 Same! Saw someone talking about it on TikTok and just went "Oh 🙂 Okay."

[@WJonesK_S]

Additionally when Val shows up on the stage the screens switch to Angel dancing in his leather outfit.

[@Spideyhwa]

saw someone say this on tiktok and it made me so sad

[@ChcknNggtRising]

The person who voices Vaggie actually also voices Mirabelle in Encanto, and Rosa Diaz in Brooklyn Nine-Nine! She's the best.

[@fifteendozenalleyroses]

And Sonya in Modern Family and Carla in In the Heights

[@imperialspy63]

Fr, she's so good I stg

[@Isshindzahul]

“I've only had Arlo for a day and a half, but if anything happened to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.” Best quotable line of her in B99

[@Quinton_ovo_]

No offence to the va but her voice felt way too forcibly low to me. I'd be way happier if vaggie did actually sound like Mirabel.

[@Jinju___]

God I love Stephanie Beatriz

[@bricktaco67]

The line from episode 1 ”this body was made to be exploited” hits so hard after having watched episode 4

[@tiffanynichols7374]

You know Val has told him that so many times until he believes it. It's heartbreaking and after a rewatch it made me cry.

[@that_demigod5101]

Husks main point was to show Angel that he’s not as alone as he thinks. That there are other “losers” out there , people he can relate to

[@Shippou011]

This is a point I've seen a ton of people miss. "Why would he compare his gambling addiction to SA" like no the point just zoomed over your head - the point was he made a split-second decision that has forever changed the course of his life and he regrets it, but he can't do anything about it. In *that* regard, he and Angel are the same. He wasn't comparing, he was empathizing.

[@person8064]

​@@Shippou011Hazbin Hotel fans try to be media literate (Challenge) ((IMPOSSIBLE)) Honestly I'm pretty sure he was joking tho

[@mirulei]

@@Shippou011yes thank you. a lot of people love to default to "uh, no, actually, you can't relate because x is MORE traumatic!" when the point is from husk's perspective there is a strong relation to his own struggle and he wanted to make that connection with angel. the obsession people have to hierarchize personal suffering so that nobody has it "bad enough" for their standards to "truly relate to them" is exactly why people like this feel lonely. accept some empathy like goddamn he's just trying to offer some needed perspective.

[@randomhuman_05]

⁠@@Shippou011yup, and in a way, they *are* in the same situation. Their souls are owned by demons who see them as disposable, and treat them as such. We see in episode five that Alastor has no problem with threatening Husk to keep him in line, just as Val is seen doing to Angel. The nature of the abuse may be different, but abuse is abuse.

[@xoxo.eliiii]

@@person8064I mean, ppl who haven’t seen his other content probably don’t know the type of person he is when it comes to jokes

[@YoumiKH]

i know im late to the party but, the fact that the "love potions" that Valentino sells (on his billboards) are just cheap roofies is a GREAT touch and the fact that the demon of lust refuses to sell love potions .. just chef's kiss

[@c.b.-]

This. It kinda sells the idea that the layer of hell where human souls can be found is _actually_ the worst one, because demons have lines they won't cross, and plenty of humans don't any such limitations.

[@rosenrot234]

@@c.b.- Especially since Sinners just respawn when they're killed in hell unless by an angel weapon. Natural demons ain't got that privilege outside of the Deadly Sins who don't seem to age.

[@courtneycalvert185]

My favorite thing about episode 4 is that Husk consistently says he HATES fakeness and people not being real throughout the episode, which is why he butted heads with Angel. And when Angel lashes out in their fight, he tells him something about himself and opens up to him. Angel was real with him so Husk will be real with Angel. It also means a lot because Husk hasn’t participated in any sharing during Charlie’s exercises and keeps to himself. We don’t really know much about Husk prior to this moment. I’ve seen people criticize Husk for calling Angel a loser, but they’re missing the point. Husk hates fakeness so he doesn’t sugar coat Angels situation because he knows that wouldn’t help Angel feel better. What would make Angel feel better is having someone who is going through the same thing that can relate. Husk is in almost the EXACT same situation as Angel that’s why he wanted to tell Angel about himself

[@IronAlchemist6]

the irony of a gambler hating people putting up a front

[@sophiem6044]

Exactly! What also always stood out to me is that Husk doesn’t try to “fix” Angel, which I think is how Charlie unintentionally comes across sometimes. He needed the space to be heard without someone trying to fix his problem or “redeem” him. Because while his hyper-sexuality is a front and a coping mechanism, it’s also a part of him people demonize(lol) and use to make him feel ashamed. Just having someone say: “Yeah that’s fucked up. Your life is a mess dude. But so is mine and I’m your friend” is what he really needed in that moment.

[@wonderstudios4529]

As someone who has faced SA episode four is my favorite and I love Husk’s interactions with Angel because it’s not that he wanted to vent about his own problems, it’s that he wanted to show Angel that he’s not alone in hell and there’s always other “losers”

[@EmikoYourLocalLesbian]

As someone who also faced SA and is a therapist friend I completely agree❤ Hope you're doing Better now

[@KIRIXL-KING]

Sorry you had to deal with that

[@chipperFangirlsage]

Same ❤

[@itz_grass5890]

I feel the exact same way. Angel is my comfort character and its exactly because of that

[@maceharris8184]

Exactly the same for me

[@chickennuggs5496]

My headcannon is that the "yeah yeah yeah" in Poison is because angel is trying to reassure himself that eventually valentino wont want him anymore and he'll finally be free

[@s_ylli]

Danny going from "Is this just them shipping Angel and Husk," to "I kinda ship them," R THE REALEST SENTENCES EVER OMG?? That's literally how I exactly felt 😭😭

[@primarynik913]

He is so real for that 👊😔

[@Victoria-_]

FR 😂

[@pie1o1morris46]

Tbh I was already shipping it before the official show came out cause a fan comic convinced me 😅 (it's called Rescues and Revelations by jigokuhana if anyone is interested, there's a really good 3 part comic dub of it by paranoid dj) and then the more comics/fanart I saw of it the more I shipped it lol

[@toga-himiko537]

I SWEAR I HAD THE SAME EXACT FUCKING THOUGHT WATCHING THIS EPISODE😭🙏🏽

[@idkbalvan6303]

Right like I used to find huskerdust such a weird ship and then I watched this episode and suddenly my ao3 history was full of huskerdust oneshots😂

[@sneakysnek572]

To me, husk dumping his lore wasn’t being insensitive and wanting to talk ab himself. He’s relating his feeling trapped and guilt over it being “his decision” (even though he was backed into a corner, and likely angel was too) to Angel’s similar feelings. This episode is so important for both of their characters, and I love it

[@lilamatisone4085]

Yeah fr

[@dansmart3182]

He was also relating his situation, having sold his soul to a demon, to angels, having sold his soul to a demon.

[@poppot3153]

I understand how people could see it as him wanting to talk about himself until you recognise how little husk actually talks about himself and that this isn’t what he’s like

[@claraakemi8019]

Yup. Angel refused to open up to Husk, and that's why Husk decided to share his story. He told Angel about his struggles and vulnerabilities, hoping that would make Angel feel more comfortable sharing his own.

[@Victoria-_]

Exactly!

[@thedoctorisin5141]

It’s not Charlie gaslighting her, it’s her own guilt and self esteem issues. She’s cooking her own self.

[@DianaLopez-dq8sy]

THANK YOU! I came here to say this... & throughout the series, her growth as a character works to improve how she approaches her relationship with Vaggie. They're an adorable couple & truly do love each other, with chemistry that fills each others' voids. But they are "flawed... who down here isn't!?" & as such, like all relationships, they have to work around their obstacles.

[@AimeeFrizzyAnime]

You have to remember, Viv originally had 22 episodes ready to be released on KZbin, then they got the deal with Amazon and had to shove ALL of that in 8 episodes, so yes, this series is very fast, but it works

[@Avianwriter]

that's amazing! Where did you get the info for the 22 episodes?

[@AimeeFrizzyAnime]

@Avianwriter I watch Cartoon Universe here on KZbin mostly and a lot of other channels that are in connections with Viv's Twitter account/patreon where she will release information on the show itself as well as a deep dive into the characters she's created. She's gone on an interview recently about how the change from 22 episodes to 8 was a big project to take on. Originally, Hazbin Hotel was supposed to release here on KZbin last Summer, they were also already working with Bento Box and A24 production team. However between that time Viv got the green light from Amazon Prime to launch there but in a smaller pilot series soft launch

[@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq]

@@AimeeFrizzyAnimeI wish I can see the rest of the episodes or she can make comics

[@tunafish8281]

this makes so much sense, i felt the show was really rushed(still amazing just felt rushed) and it’s good to see an explanation as to why that is. wish they could have gotten more episodes to span everything out more but still happy with what we got

[@matthewbibby8921]

I’m gonna disagree on it working - it REALLY could’ve done with those extra episodes. But I DO hope that maybe next season Amazon will let them slow burn stuff a bit more.

[@grey8288]

When Valentino (moth guy) rants you can hear moth squeaking in his voicd. And when Vox (tv) needs to get his attention, he turns his screen brightness up.

[@calebjones7868]

That's amazing Attention too Detail that I love

[@sleeples7852]

Lol not the screen brightnes 💀

[@Fav_Daughter_of_Dionysus]

As someone who was SA'd multiple times throughout 2020 - 2023, Poison was so emotionally wrenching that it was scary for me. The lyrics "I got so good at telling you what you wanna hear, I disassociate, disappear" and "I'm filling up my glass but its always hollow/I wish I had something to live for tomorrow" encompasses me so well. And it's frightening; not just how well it fits, but how so many people here can relate and had the same SA experiences, some for a longer time than I have. To anyone who's been SA'd or have some form of a-salt (I'm not gonna say the actual word), I promise you with everything I have that the trauma you have is not shameful. It's not something to bury and shove deep down. It's not something to succumb to, either. It's the product of something you (hopefully) never wanted. And it's a battle scar that needs to be tended to. You can't fix your own broken arm, after all. You go to the hospital because trained professionals help you there. And you cant heal in an instant. It takes time. But when the proper measures are taken and when a good amount of time is spent helping yourself, please know that things get better❤

[@ladysilkwing]

*hugs * (Or whichever kind of comfort you prefer!)

[@Fav_Daughter_of_Dionysus]

@@ladysilkwing Thank you! I really appreciate it 💜💜

[@Fav_Daughter_of_Dionysus]

@@ladysilkwing I love your pfp, lol

[@ladysilkwing]

@Dr.LilithDiAngelo thanks! I actually made it!

[@Bill_cipherxX]

Same, but I was groomed...

[@CherryTindolRAWR]

I love that Angel's voice changes when he gets super serious. Usually you her him putting on the flirty/feminine higher pitch but when he gets upset its a bit lower and slightly masculine. Its a neat little detail

[@emma4735]

You also hear the accent shift a bit, I feel like. His voice changes from New York and deliberately peppy to a bit flatter with more of the Italian coming out. Very nice touch on Blake Roman’s part

[@scruffles87]

I was really iffy on the VA switch from the pilot (Michael Kovach, a legend in my eyes), but Blake is absolutely crushing it.

[@kodzuken_pudding3024]

"BDSM? More like 'beat me, yes ma'am'" HELP 💀😭

[@deamoninyourdreams7612]

I went in the comments just to say that it's a briliant joke, will be stealing that in the future XD

[@int3rn3t_bugg3r]

@@deamoninyourdreams7612 lmao same

[@gamgeegirl3195]

I saw the cowriter of the songs for this show and he was talking about how the line “I’m that hashtag bíțch” has a double meaning. 1. The more obvious calling herself a “bíțch” as a compliment. 2. She’s “that hashtag bíțch” the one in control of all the hashtags, in control of the dialogue, in control of what is being talked about on all social media. Which I thought was super interesting!

[@jenniferkelly4828]

OOooOo! That is SO clever!

[@emilymantini1200]

“Do people ship Angel and Husk, is that why this is happening?” To “Damn it, now I ship them!” is basically a universal experience 😭😭 like I was minding my own business and those two just completely stole my heart

[@halinafiedorowicz9355]

me too!

[@AshysWolfie19]

It's even better when you realize, that HuskerDust is a canon slow burn relationship :3

[@sophie_twain]

Not really universal

[@hannahmetzger4880]

Eh, I don't really ship it at all. And I don't care if they're gonna become canon, I'm still not gonna ship them. Other people can, I just won't. I prefer RadioDust and whatnot. :P.

[@sophie_twain]

@@hannahmetzger4880 I wish you strength against all antis of this ship

[@bethanybordner6786]

I think the video screens during the music video are trying to show how Angel is disassociating. Every time he looks at or touches Val the illusion breaks

[@primarynik913]

That is such an interesting take on the video in the background!!!

[@tegandumpleton3360]

'Loser Baby' was the moment I realized, "Oh, THAT'S why they changed Husker's voice!" And finding out Husker was an Overlord was one of the only moments where I paused, just dead stop and yelled "WHAT. WAIT, WHAT."

[@phatman274]

Heard a theory that Val licking Charlie's arm was his attempt to mind control her. It's based on the fact that certain breeds of moths secrete chemicals as a defense against predators, but they changed it a bit to fit more with his controlling nature. Apparently it also explains how he got Angel to sell his soul in the first place because growing up in the mob would have prepared Angel against making deals that seem too good to be true.

[@KerriCanary20]

but angel was getting away from the mob life and doing what he wanted, he legit thought val cared for him and then val manipulated him into a contract and showed his true color like in lyrics "spewing all your red hot lies"

[@twomonkey4u52]

Angel being from the mod life might have been why he only sold half of "time" not really realizing it was his soul and him able to safe guard at least the other half

[@x._.rexy.poo_]

You have to consume it somehow (i.e. the love potions, made by Velvette from the help of Val’s saliva)

[@phatman274]

@@x._.rexy.poo_ Maybe it can be absorbed through the skin? Some stuff is like that

[@Papabear4564]

i checked the wiki and mind control isn't one of valentino's powers, but he's supposed to be charismatic as hell when he wants to be..part of the song poison contains a line "red hot eyes, and red hot lies" i'm thinking val seduced angel, convinced him it was in his best interest to sign a contract for his soul for protection,love etc etc.... abusers like valentino have a sixth sense for who is vulnerable and how to get them to do what they want..and once the contract is signed the people val convinces have no choice but to obey or he can shatter their very souls

[@sketchowl2749]

“I feel like not enough character designs are based on moths.” Me: YES! THIS! YES! MORE MOTH CHARACTERS

[@GLEPPPPP]

MORE MOTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@broblerone413]

HTERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE MOTH-BASED CHARACTER DESIGNS!!

[@StarFireLiz]

I love moths, I need a good character that's a moth that I don't hate lol

[@_.xandxr._4714]

​@@StarFireLizI was about to say you hate baggie but she's not that good of a character

[@snackeater4990]

@@_.xandxr._4714 Yeah Vaggie’s character revolves around Charlie

[@therealhayleywilliams]

“i’m sure i can handle whatever this show has to throw at me” 2 seconds later “i dont think im ready for this*

[@slicediceandanalyse9027]

22:49 when he talked about the lyrics of poison sounding really terrible out of context, something clicked for me. It’s all porn dialogue. The “yeah yeah yeah” and “oooh” in the song sound amazing in context because it doubles as a song-writing and a storytelling technique. Even in Angel’s self expression and processing of his traumas, he still feels the need to embellish them and make them consumable. Poison is 100% the best scene in the entire show.

[@Kawoostigri]

Wow what ?! I didn't even notice that, that's actually so interesting and clever, I was wondering too about the purpose of the yeah yeah yeah because at first, they seemed out of place but now I finally understand and that's so smart but sad for Angel :(

[@ashleyseed7237]

During loser baby, Husk never grabs Angel. He always reaches out his hand and its Angels decision to take it. Their relationship is based off of consent and authenticity. It’s one major reason I ship them as well as just love Husk and this song the most. Loser baby. For so many reasons. Is my favorite song.

[@Crxsseyed1]

Husk knows how to properly treat someone, and angel has never known that in his life, he’s always been just grabbed or taken, but for once, he has a chance to make his own choice to join in, if he doesn’t want to, he doesn’t have to

[@Grey-u5j]

I just started sobbing. I never even registered that. I had my own Val and I had my own Husky. it's so sweet they showed this

[@Anonymous__S]

Omg you're right! If only the show had had more time so they could have made it a slow burn, it'd be one of my top ships of all times.

[@Crxsseyed1]

@@Anonymous__S it actually is gonna be a slow burn ship from what I’ve heard, since it is getting more seasons after all

[@Edrialyse]

AFAIK they are a canon couple

[@kitty7886]

I love how at the beginning he was like “Uhg another villan (to Camila)” and then when she actually showed up he fell in love with her character

[@elijahvalerio3064]

Valentino being a moth is a sick little detail when you realize the tv is his main piece. And anytime the tv demon wants Valentino’s attention he brightens his screen bc moths are attracted to light

[@unforeseeable2.058]

There's also a lot more connections with Ke$ha than you realize. One of Vivienne's first animated videos was an animation to Die Young and Ke$ha even voice acted in Helluva Boss as Beezlebub.

[@broblerone413]

not to mention that Bee's song 'Cotton Candy' was intentionally written to sound like a Ke$ha song i'm pretty sure

[@mistingwolf]

@@broblerone413Yes, but because of legal shenanigans, they had to have a soundalike to actually do the musical part.

[@bakingkitty1034]

@@broblerone413 I’m pretty sure Ke$sha wrote Cotton Candy but couldn’t sing it cause of her producers

[@tiffanynichols7374]

​@@bakingkitty1034that's what I've heard too.

[@xanderaizawa-yamada4537]

In "Loser, baby" AD's little harmonizing "ooh's" we're such a small yet necessary touch to make that song more wholesome and I'm 100% living for it❤

[@Number1earthfan]

"No chance it's better then posion" **2 seconds later** "Never mind I love it"

[@mycroft16]

It's Keith David singing... it's gonna be insanely good. lol.

[@lgbtorion]

husk wasn’t “dying to talk about himself” in fact I think he would have preferred NOT talking about himself but he knows that angel needs someone that he feels like understands him and considering they both signed their souls over to someone in hell I’d say they have very similar plights which is why they work.

[@jadecboom8638]

Yeah, personally, when someone is struggling with something, I try to show them that I understand their problems and can relate to them. Makes them more willing to listen.

[@Houndsman92]

I genuinely find this to be the hardest part of trying to relate to people. I'm on the spectrum, so comparison things are usually my go-to for trying to sympathize. Usually though people just assume I'm trying to make it about me when in reality all I am trying to do is let them know I may not fully understand, but I can empathize with the plight at hand.

[@emdueck6250]

Part of it seemed like Husk was trying to rebuild some rapport with Angel. Everything leading up to that point came off as Husk being judgmental and not safe to open up to, so that very personal disclosure of "we're in the same shit" was needed.

[@bowtiefox]

I've heard a lot of people saying Husk hijacked the convo but as someone who also wont open up until the other person does it rly was a relatable moment that this song/conversation was what got Angel to do it to....

[@CharleeRed]

right. and he let Angel Dust have a sense of control as well

[@Karina-Jay]

Danny sees Carmilla: 😮 Danny hears Carmilla sing: 🫨 Yeah that was all of us 😂

[@elizacarrie7433]

So true! She has some kind of special resonance that Alex Brightman and Borle have too, where it just hits the right gravely power and vibrates my brain just right

[@bromaster9017]

Velvet better

[@laggyblue]

Spoilers so don't read until video is over: So did anyone else find it funny when he went "Is this just them shipping angel and husk?" To " omg I ship them now"

[@Cherry._.blossom._.]

Yes I was waiting for someone to point that out 😭

[@laggyblue]

@@Cherry._.blossom._. I laughed. My boss allows me to watch videos as long as I continue to work. So I burst into laughter while making sandwiches at that part.

[@mako_kitochi]

When he said the first one I immediately bet that he'd change his mind after the song xd

[@manda506]

I said the same thing to the person who introduced me to the show lol.

[@broblerone413]

yes! from what i've seen, everyone who didn't already ship Huskerdust definitely ships them by the end of 'Loser, Baby'. i knew that song would change his mind

[@Zuko-san.]

Theres a theory that when angel is dancing thats him dissociating and whats appearing on the screen is whats actually happening to him plus theres a lyric that says "i disassociate, disappear"

[@shadowgirl765]

"How many antagonists are we going to have in this show?" They're in hell

[@candelaherman2865]

Vibe

[@mollyfowles7863]

So?💀 still way too much introduced in the first season

[@teresamccarron8091]

​@@mollyfowles7863 It is Hell! People are there for a reason. Abuse, stealing, murder cannibalism, drugs, may i go on? There's going to be a lot of villains because THEY ARE IN HELL.

[@derpydippy]

It really shows how bad people's media literacy is when they say poison is sexualizing SA when it's almost straight up said in the song that Angel dissociates and romanticizes his life to deal with the intense trauma of it all😢 Hell he literally says it himself during the bar scene afterwards

[@thomasb7347]

It's the realistic discussion about coping mechanism and the toxic realities people live with. People want simple and straightforward without the sharp corners of reality

[@simo220]

SA survivor and huge fan of Poison here. I was starting to think that people claiming that say Poison romanticizes/sexualizes SA either: a) Never been in this situation (and wish they never will) or b) expected Angel to have the classic victim stereotype (shy and afraid of s3x) instead of having toxic coping mechanisms, such as hypersexualization and drug/alcohol addiction.

[@V1DE0-STARZ]

@@simo220poison itself is a good representation But the show as a whole really handles SA badly. It makes a joke of rape. Sir pentious got GANG RAPED and nobody bat an eye. But when the main character who is a porn star gets raped he gets attended to. It's fucking stupid. They're biased. If they want to handle touchy subjects like this then don't make a joke out of it

[@DontObliteratetheCommenter]

​@@simo220Truly wonderful! Oh, not your situation, no, no! The fact that you are making yourself heard is wonderful.

[@simo220]

@@DontObliteratetheCommenter exactly. I see myself in Angel Dust a lot, especially on how he copes with the situation he's in, because I used the same coping mechanisms he used (not 100% as he did, but close, the main one for me was the hypersexualization) but I've managed to get out of the situation 4 years ago and I began my healing prosses 2 years ago. Now I'm well, with a partner that loves and cherises me for myself. I hope that Angel Dust will get his happy ending just like I did

[@_lLexa_l]

"Now I kinda ship them." *My Huskerdust heart is completed*

[@WarriorCats4Ever-cq9to]

YES I LOVE HUSKERDUSTTT

[@callmetetti]

​@@WarriorCats4Ever-cq9toYEAAAAHHA

[@gabrielblack5805]

"A lot of her line delivery is like very stiff and awkward" This just made me realize that Vaggie is literally the straight man of this entire show. That's fucking amazing!

[@saltychebs]

EXACTLY! I didn't think anyone else understood!

[@AllaN_B-m6b]

11:11 I still can't listen to this one without crying. She literally put all of Hell on the line to save her daughters, and I'm still shook about it.

[@Viramon2.0]

"Bdsm? More like beat me, yes ma'am" OMFGGGHHHH I NEED THAT ON A TSHIRT OR A MUG OR SOMETHING

[@aidaattia4907]

Your pfp

[@the_last_comment]

I could probably make that

[@Rhron]

What Danny is clearly missing here is Husk is opening himself up to Angel, showing his vulnerable side, not showing himself proud over anything.

[@jolinewitsen3925]

Love that so many people were so worried he would completely read over the trigger warning that opens the actual episode 4 that they felt the need to additionally warn him

[@Sofia-iw2rp]

Oh my God, if Danny is in love with carmilla singing wait until he hears 'Out for Love' 🤣

[@DiegoBriceno-i6w]

thats what i was thinking 💀

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Angel Dust deserves so much better than this. The way Valentino treats him and what Angel said about trying to get broken enough that Val will let him go, it's really painful to watch. I'm glad he and Husk have found common ground and can support eachother. And I love the message in "Loser, Baby." It's not your usual, "cheer up, things will get better" song. It's more realistic. Yeah, Angel's life is screwed up, but he's not alone. He now has someone who understands that he can look to for support. That's as good a start as any.

[@dukn]

its a 2d character, chill, care about the real rape and sexual abuse happening irl

[@G1R1.0]

@@duknfr like it’s just a drawing bro calm down

[@thethoughtsofanobody6769]

@@dukn Maybe you could chill bro. It's a show, and they're just talking about how good the representation is. Nothing wrong with liking a show from being good, real of not.

[@dukn]

@@thethoughtsofanobody6769 🤓👆 (i have no argument against that)

[@LiMe251]

Iirc correctly, Vivz based it off her life experiences. @@dukn Also, if you can't surmount a disagreement, you're probably not the correct one.

[@zoetrogolo7349]

The actress who plays Carmilla is Daphne Rubin-Vega. She also plays a main character in the original broadway version of the muscial Rent.

[@shroom6887]

23:31 I could write essays about how insanely well written Angel is. His whole performance through "poison", the whole sharade he puts on to pretend like he's into it and is in control, is just chef's kiss. It's as if he performs in his head while the panels behind him portray what's actually happening to him, for example the "ooh-oooooooh" part, he belts it out on stage, and then the next shot is him screaming that same note, it's just brilliant storytelling.

[@2011WhiteFordEscape]

Write it please, I want to send it to my English teacher and get an A

[@Ashdrinkstea]

Real

[@mariannebrandon8891]

Same I could go on and on about Angel and Poison.

[@1-am-nyx]

“Oh wait maybe I do ship them” That’s exactly how it was for me. I didn’t see it until Loser, Baby and I had a new otp

[@riverofpaint4826]

I love the little detail during the song Looser how Husk only hold’s and leads the dance with Angel’s hands rather than touching his body.

[@Jade.Night67]

Fans are theorising that the scenes on the screen behind Angel are what's actually happening while Angel dancing is them disassociating. And when Val grabs him, the illusion breaks and they're back in reality

[@astromo17]

i would say this isn't a theory its media literacy

[@Apollo-hi1jj]

@@astromo17LOL

[@FaolanHart]

Poison is the best scene in the show. The music is amazing, the choreography is perfect & brutal, the editing is perfection & the acting is incredible. If I wasn't so jaded by the real world & more brutal fiction, I'd find it really hard to watch. Everyone involved did a brilliant job.

[@lfi7885]

"Is this really where we want to put a musical number" to "this is the best song on the show."

[@ImVeryWholesome]

Wait until he learns Kesha is part of the Hazbin Hotel universe

[@archangel996]

thought the same thing, lol. like, this whole thing started as an AMV to a Kesha song

[@trishscarlett2959]

It breaks my heart that angel's 'dancing' his pain into the catacombs of his mind, WHILE its happening

[@michi_mixhii]

if angel didn't stop charlie, val would've ended up crisper than burnt fries friendly reminder she could totally beat alastor up, she just doesn't want and chooses not to.

[@The1nvisibleJeevas]

"But that's so meannnnnn"

[@broblerone413]

yeah i feel like the fact that Angel stopped her really speaks to the fact that a lot of abuse victims end up being manipulated into thinking their abuser is much stronger than they actually are. Charlie's the princess of Hell, and despite the fact that she doesn't like getting violent, she totally could've ended Val right then and there if she hadn't been stopped

[@michi_mixhii]

@@broblerone413 exactly

[@pastelmusic409]

@@broblerone413 It's not really that. Manipulating to create a sense of strength isn't as much of a factor compared to an abuser manipulating their victim into pushing away those who could help them. That's like manipulation step 1. He made angel do the attacking so he looked like the bad guy who hurt her feelings, which would typically push someone away if Charlie wasn't such a forgiving and friendly person.

[@hellboundchaoscommand7567]

I mean based on the fact that Alastor faired much better than Charlie against Adam (who was stated to be the same power level as Lilith) I think Alastor would actually stand a chance. But yeah Val would be dead

[@catminor5600]

Fun fact: the song poison is angel dust dissociating from what's happening to him, but everything you see is really occurring to him. Also the end of the song is Anthony basically crying out for help. Because Anthony has to put on an act as angel dust to keep himself safe. Also second fun fact: the reason he has one black eye is because Val only owns half of him, his soul, only when he's in the studio does he have power over him. Husk has two black eyes because Alastor owns his entire soul.

[@tinywafflerat]

Not sure if that’s canon but cool observation!

[@Theroha]

I just realized that the studio is why Val was pissed off that Angel moved into the hotel. He only has control of Angel in the studio, so when Angel moved out he lost a massive amount of control without breaking the contract.

[@yvainestelmack7196]

Neither of these facts are particularly "fun" ngl

[@catminor5600]

@@yvainestelmack7196 it's a show.

[@catminor5600]

@@yvainestelmack7196 as someone with sa trauma I still find them to be "fun" facts. :)

[@rescur385]

One of the saddest thing is that in the italian version Angel doesn't say: "Do you know how much I am worth" He says "Do you know how much I COST" Which is a lot sadder in my opinion, especially considering Angel is canonically italian

[@Randomratz240]

...

[@HoodwinkFalls]

I think its really sweet so many of your fans went to warn you about episode 4 and how you used that as a segue to warn your viewers.

[@keybladeofthelostcities6494]

Carmilla Carmine, overlord with the voice you love, is voiced by Daphne Ruben Vega. She was the Original Mimi in Broadway’s Rent. She was also Daniella in the In The Heights movie. Btw, Stephanie Beatriz, Vaggies VA, was Carla in the In The Heights movie. She was also Mirabel in encanto

[@Samantha14916]

What!!! She is also Mirabel!? No way 🤯

[@carlvancourt6919]

Really gonna sleep on detective diaz from brooklyn 99 like this?

[@keybladeofthelostcities6494]

@@carlvancourt6919 does she sing in Brooklyn 99?

[@Link-dx1lx]

I have listened to Whatever it Takes about a billion times now and "who's to say who'd survive the fray, I might lose the ones that I was killing for" still gives me chills every. damn. time.

[@Fyre11]

Daphne Rubin-Vega is amazing. She was the original Mimi for the Broadway production of RENT, so she's been nailing power ballads for years.

[@mariannebrandon8891]

I love that song Daphne and Stephanie have such amazing voices

[@Vik_Leviathan]

yeah ppl need to start realising how angel dust is one of the best representations of an abuse victim

[@enderglitch524]

26:50 there's a therapist that when through angel trama and she said that husk sharing his trama is actually good there she said it helps angel know he knows how he feels

[@Husker_the_barkeep]

Yeah, Georgia Dowe, love that video

[@crash_the_agitator]

"Just don't hurt her..." Think about this for a moment. Charlie is literally the crown princess of Hell. Val is so far beneath her, she wouldn't even be aware of his existence were it not for her friendship with Angel. And of course, we see her later go toe-to-toe with Adam, a guy that has one-shot Overlords far more powerful than Val. Compared to Charlie, Val is little more than a moth, aimlessly fluttering round the light that is Angel Dust. And yet ... Angel's fear in that moment is not for his own safety, but for hers...

[@HGR555]

Few things i wanted to point out on Poison The poses you mentioned where angel is dancing in the second chorus, the poses that flash up on the screen behind him. That's angel dissasociating which is why the poses are in the bdsm gear. So, those are the things actually happening to him while he's mentally checked out Also, a main thing you learn about angel is the hypersexuality is a way to maintain some semblance of control. If they're doing this to you, you being into it is a defense mechanism. My favorite example of this is during the first chorus when angel is dancing with val. He gets pulled to the ground and we see the distress and pain on his face for just a moment before he smiles and pretends like he loves it before playfully getting back up. It's an incredible song and a great demonstration of how some SA victims respond to the trauma they've survived

[@lacrossestick132]

Saying Respectless and Stayed Gone aren’t close to Hell is Forever is a crime

[@severelyinneedoftherapy]

The whole reason Husk put the conversation is so Angel knew he wasn’t alone. Recounting your own experiences and showing that you understand how someone feels is what separates empathy from sympathy. Husk is such an underrated legend in the fact he’s basically everyone’s therapist. We all need a Husk in our lives.

[@micapowder1221]

25:31 i think vaggie sent husk after angel more so because husk’s the reason angel stormed off, and charlie prob would have but charlie was still recovering from what happened earlier in the ep

[@Kelsie-u2f]

I’m late but actor appreciation. Who else thinks that Blake Roman absolutely CRUSHED the dressing room scene? It blows my mind that he did that well. I almost feel like a lot of his stammering and stumbling over his words was ad libbed. But seriously, his acting is so good and it makes me cry every time.

[@NathanATaylor]

21:30 vivzie just really likes Kesha... an animatic to "die young" was literally what sparked viv's whole career

[@eaglest0554]

I feel like the part that hits me the hardest about episode four is how when the room is on fire, you can tell that not only can you tell that not only is he more terrified of Val than the *raging fire around him*, he's not even scared for himself, he's terrified of the fact that he's looking at Charlie. It's so much character detail in one look and I think it's wild that all the subtle details like that don't get appreciated much.

[@mr.e9502]

I haven’t see a whole lot of this show, other than the pilot, but from what I’ve gathered, Charlie is the living embodiment of “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

[@caydencemckinney8682]

That actually a pretty interesting idea 😮

[@aaunyea4799]

The trait of Charlie i don't like is that she always goes against what Vaggie tells her is best, and a majority of the time Vaggie is correct

[@nanny_uhh]

Exactly, she is naturally rebellious 🤡

[@tonberry2670]

Meanwhile, she avoids any and all accountability Like when Vaggie sics Husk to take care of Angel Dust when the entire incident only got to the point it did because of Charlie's fuckup.

[@animationfan4644]

Charlie is just peppy and overly optimistic. Vaggie is more grounded, so yeah, she usually knows whats up.

[@ReelPodcasts]

I mean...I could rebuttal this statement but to do so would be a spoiler.

[@xl9079]

​@tonberry2670 That one is partly on Vaggie though, for convincing Charlie to start exercising her power more but not recognising that the latter doesn't have the experience to exercise it well yet.

[@valeriephelps8017]

16:19 unfortunately, we are in an era of media production that doesn’t allow for filler episodes like that. Which is a shame, because I would really like to see a Nifty episode too.

[@grumpygremlinkittycat]

some little things people have noticed in episode four is: angel dust is more scared of val then he is of the fire, angel when val approached covered himself up think val was reaching for his chest, husk waits for angel to grab his hand which i find very sweet. also the goth woman overlord is called rosie and she's friends with alastor :D

[@moostoonz]

25:34 that shark is about to pull an emperors new groove and turn Angel into a llama💀

[@Goth__Siren]

I love how at the beginning he was like "oh damn is this gonna be a musical?" To every chapter saying "this is the best song" and next one "no THIS is the best song" and so on

[@Fan_Girl14]

15:21 bro is only 15 seconds in and is already overwhelmed😂😂😂

[@TheDJdragonflame]

"Charlie and Vaggie needs an episode" Well, good news, pretty much every episode from now on is exactly that

[@Evilman_520]

In an absolute banger of an episode, one line stands out as my favorite of all time: "THEY'RE FUCKIN SINGING!?"

[@CatGold5047]

For people who feel like others can't possibly understand, knowing that someone else also went through hell can be comforting. I think Husk was trying to be empathic, and Angel Dust got that.

[@MichaelGonzales-mu4ph]

Fun fact: Hornet is actually Carmilla the one who sold Sir Pentious the weapons. She’s one of the top overlords in hell. Also episode 6 is THAT Vaggie episode. Arguably

[@roseauragaming]

ep 6 going into 7 honestly

[@luminous_spores]

1139 days. No silksong = no will to live.

[@angelT13mh]

I’m amazed Danny had nothing to say about Vaggie throwing people off a building

[@rayethequeerdo]

2:47 what's funny about this rant is that Camilla is voiced by Daphne Rubin-Vega, who is in fact a Tony Award-nominated Broadway actress (among many other things)

[@Jubikus]

Charlie is actual 6 and a half feet tall Viv makes alot of her characters quite large.

[@ArcaneEntertainmentProductions]

An interesting comparison to Ke$ha with Poison, call me out if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain Ke$ha is a MASSIVE inspiration for Viviene Medrano (the creator of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss), so much so, she was willing to put an episode of Helluva Boss on hold indefinitely just because she wanted Ke$ha in an episode as a guest star

[@BlueBlazeKing]

It was on hold due to Ke$ha being in the middle of a lawsuit against a past studio or manager (I forget the specific) and it resulted in any material written by her to be unable to be released and stopped her from singing the song she wrote

[@TheFun4_yeah]

12:51 Why did I think he was going to pull out the middle finger- 😭

[@donaldlang1871]

What makes Poison my favourite song from this show is the juxtaposition from the hip hop, happy, fun "look what a good time I'm having" start, mixed with the visuals, and then the sudden, cold, "oh God I'm going to die if I keep living this way" ending. It really, in my experience, encapsulates the mentality of someone who thinks they are stuck in their situation

[@rollingthunder1043]

The thing is, he IS stuck. For eternity. Val's deal seems ironclad and we all know Demon deals are eternal and unbreakable, since Sinners don't die of natural causes. The only way Anthony is getting out of his deal with Val is if one of three things happens: He gets "too broken" to be any good to Val and Val kicks him to the kerb, he gets redeemed and goes to Heaven, or he gets killed - which can only happen via an Angelic weapon, so he'd have to either die during the next Extermination, or find one of the incredibly rare Angelic weapons that are apparently sold on the Hell black market to kill himself with. But I don't think he's quite reached THAT point yet, and maybe with Husk and Charlie in his life they can help him step away from that particular ledge.

[@donaldlang1871]

@@rollingthunder1043 I'm hoping so, he will always hold a special place in my heart

[@reiniamajiki4179]

If you liked the juxtaposition ending of poison oh lord do i have a song for you. Addict is another great song that also tackles Angels situation well. It also is where we get the lore that Vals red smoke is a drug of some sort. I mean Poison is alluding to that but Addict did it first. Its also another well animated video

[@donaldlang1871]

@@reiniamajiki4179 I loved Addict before I knew it was related to Hazbin Hotel, but when I learned it was connected, it made even more sense

[@joshuaandkenishaphillips4058]

The frequency with which you say “I think this show needs ______” when I know _____ is the next thing coming up has been astounding for this show.

[@SilasM5612]

I love how he says boys girls and squirrels, its like anyone who says they aren't a boy or a girl are squirrels

[@irishjournalgaming]

I think it's very smart to make the episode that is about sa, such high quality. Because it shows that SA isn't just something to be thrown in for laughs. It's serious, and that's how they did this episode, not mood wise entirely, but with the quality and importance they must've put on it.

[@frylerthefrygod]

As someone who has dealt with s/a im extremely sensitive to the topic, but angel dust is such a good example of s/a and the affects of it