"He could kick Bruce's A$* within 30sec!"

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Adam Chan

Adam Chan

Күн бұрын

My audience has dropped a lot of questions about our last videos talking about Bruce Lee and Jesse Glover.
I’m going to briefly talk about the guy Jesse Glover told us about that could kick Bruce Lee’s ass with no time. Sonny Umpad, who is he, and what does he practice? What was his influence on my martial arts?
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00:00 Who was able to beat Bruce Lee in 30 sec?
00:42 Who is Sonny Umpad?
03:22 “Sonny made me look into martial arts weapons!”
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@ConceptArnis
@ConceptArnis 2 жыл бұрын
In 2003 I was fortunate enough to participate in a seminar with Sonny Umpad. The man was incredible.
@navigator5426
@navigator5426 2 жыл бұрын
Instructor Chan, I like your approach to teaching the Martial Arts because it's reality based and not ego based. I'm not practicing Wing Chun right now, I'm working on other Martial Arts, but I feel that your pragmatism concerning Wing Chun and Martial Arts in general is worthy of admiration.
@bronzetiger6360
@bronzetiger6360 2 жыл бұрын
This man Always has pearls of Wisdom. Has the countenance/Skill/ Knowledge of a true Master. Love this channel.
@owenli7180
@owenli7180 2 жыл бұрын
Having studied, and loved studying some Japanese weapons systems, I appreciated getting a sense of the biomechanics, but also the psychological need for commitment. It's amazing how using movements related to fighting when armed translates to combat while unarmed. The musculature changes related to training with those weapons also change the way you move and hit etc. But the commitment thing I think is probably the lesson that hit me hardest. When people fought with weapons for real stakes, they needed to truly commit to the killing blow. Probing strikes were less important because you risked position, or injury to the lead arm etc. It was about stunning someone before taking them out, and putting the mass and biomechanics of your body, and your intent behind the strike intended to kill - particularly in systems that were developed in times when people fought while wearing full armour. The fight ending strikes that you couldn't and wouldn't just throw willy-nilly, and needed to truly finish your opponent without giving them the opportunity to kill you as they died. It's an attitude I've found doesn't necessarily translate well to combat sports, but a lesson I'm grateful for learning.
@lenq5918
@lenq5918 2 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention Adam how I enjoy watching your videos teaching/showing various Gung-fu and martial arts techniques and stories of Bruce along with your experience with meeting great martial artist along your journey. Keep up your great work!
@bmoviebmovie
@bmoviebmovie 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! The man is sharp. Answers and knowledge at the drop of a hat. No notes. Nada. Been years since I last even read a book.
@dwightwoods
@dwightwoods 2 жыл бұрын
I continue to enjoy your insight, wisdom and stories, Adam
@the.demarcation.problem
@the.demarcation.problem 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate and enjoy these videos thanks guys!
@joeladams2327
@joeladams2327 2 жыл бұрын
Adam your a breath of fresh air
@ramondiaz2851
@ramondiaz2851 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought about it that way!!ADAM!!! Very inspiring!!!!
@vigilance8240
@vigilance8240 2 жыл бұрын
I truly appreciate your philosophical approach to the martial arts. Thank you for your honesty and your outlook.
@johnlee5423
@johnlee5423 2 жыл бұрын
We all have to remember Jesse trained with Bruce when he was a teenager to early 20s, by the time He was in his late 20s Bruce was on another level as a martial artist.
@eurokitchenart6504
@eurokitchenart6504 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Adam. Good points. Video as always good.
@JayJasperPugao
@JayJasperPugao 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, Sifu Adam. Thanks for the shout-out! Blessings to you. Salute, sir.
@jayceeinvincible
@jayceeinvincible 2 жыл бұрын
This video went deep into the metaphysics of martial arts. Loved it💯
@basilistsakalos9643
@basilistsakalos9643 2 жыл бұрын
This interview is a diamond!
@JasonFortKnoxMissionAuthor
@JasonFortKnoxMissionAuthor Жыл бұрын
Instructor Chan, you are really great at articulating the practicality of all the martial arts styles with which you're familiar, and your humility is to be commended, especially when someone can see how you move. Fyi, I mentioned to my Wing Chun Sifu, Sifu Jason Korol from Greenville, South Carolina that I followed your channel, Kung Fu Report, and he said it was definitely one of the best ones out there. Thanks providing such a valuable supplement to those like me, who want to learn as much as possible about Wing Chun.
@ziggydog5091
@ziggydog5091 Жыл бұрын
This is a great teaching moment, not just about Bruce Lee, but explaining the difference between combat arts and martial sport like mma. Thank you Sifu.
@Rajj854
@Rajj854 2 жыл бұрын
What you said about weapons and its impact on spirit explains a lot. thanks
@narayansivajiramos5763
@narayansivajiramos5763 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You, Sifu Chan.
@roboct6
@roboct6 2 жыл бұрын
I’m weak when it comes to The Butterfly Swords and you just convinced me to pay more attention to them.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
You look like Mickey Rourke
@SiavashSaadlou
@SiavashSaadlou 2 жыл бұрын
You neglected to mention that Umpad and Glover were also business partners as well as the fact that even Glover did change his tune a couple of times after Bruce’s death, namely, claiming he was faster than Bruce or that his speed was more “natural” than Bruce’s during Tracking the Dragon press conference. These claims of Mr. so and so would have beaten Bruce Lee are basically meaningless. What matters is that factually speaking, no one ever dared to proclaim that Bruce was bullshit or “only a movie actor” during his lifetime, and those who did so got their ass handed to them. Some were honest enough to admit that, and many were too egomaniacal to speak the truth.
@AztecUnshaven
@AztecUnshaven 2 жыл бұрын
Jesse NEVER said Bruce was bullshit or just an actor. Why do you take things to the extreme? Jesse has stated that Bruce was a brilliant one of a kind fighter. Sonny Umpad was a one of a kind master as well, tremendously skilled. Jesse had given gigantic praise to both men.
@SiavashSaadlou
@SiavashSaadlou 2 жыл бұрын
@@AztecUnshaven When did I say that Jesse said Bruce was bullshit? I was referring to people like Chuck Norris, Gene LeBell, or Vic Moore! Please read my comment more carefully. I said that Jesse, like everyone else who had ever learned under Bruce’s tutelage (though not to the same extent or as often as some of the others such as Joe Lewis), changed his tune here and there. Please do a little more research.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
100% this
@DaleOct23
@DaleOct23 2 ай бұрын
Preach it
@DaleOct23
@DaleOct23 2 ай бұрын
​@Siavashi think he was mad in general not at your words but landed his comment at your feet Saadlou
@intfstft
@intfstft 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. No wonder Bruce and Inosanto were such good friends. Dan with his knowledge of Filipino martial arts. Hmmm
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
Here's Jesse admitting Bruce Lee is the best fighter he has ever seen, proving that he was referring to Sonny "killing" Bruce using weapons, not an empty hand all-out street fight: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZaafqqOjpqUf9k
@timothyscott1951
@timothyscott1951 2 жыл бұрын
I still disagree with Jessie , Bruce was insanely good with weapons
@dr.dylansgame5583
@dr.dylansgame5583 2 жыл бұрын
i agree even though im a big bruce fan though if it was bruce with metal chucks or mabye even wood ones it might be a different story
@vicmeyer7190
@vicmeyer7190 2 жыл бұрын
Sam bro. I love ur channel. ♥️✝️
@lenq5918
@lenq5918 2 жыл бұрын
I think to be respectful to the man that inspired me and millions of others that it should have been made clear 1st of all who and how anyone can "kill Bruce" within 30 seconds. Most of us were left hanging on your last video when you quoted that Jesse said Sonny will kill Bruce in 30 seconds. I knew which Sonny it was because I have known of him and how special, second to none he is with weapons especially with a knife on each hand. It should have been said Sonny would beat/kill Bruce by way of knife or weapons. Even I have a very good chance of killing Bruce if I had knives while he is empty handed, definitely not in 30 seconds tho. Now Bruce wanted to prove how a long twig ( bamboo?) was effective against Dan Inosanto's escrima sticks in that fight scene in Game of Death. What would have been the outcome if Bruce with nunchucks vs Sonny using knives? Who knows! I agree how unique Sonny's foot work and hand speed is very different and unorthodox, but you have compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. Even Bruce packed a gun at times! Lol!
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you are right. Go see this and enjoy Jim Kelly opinion Jim Kelly talks about Bruce Lee's Sparring Ability
@shots4udiego
@shots4udiego 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a good reason why Bruce Lee’s on the cover of karate, black belt, Kung fu, martial arts etc., etc., magazines more than anybody else in this world!! Because he’s the baddest man on the planet!!
@lenq5918
@lenq5918 2 жыл бұрын
@@francoismorin8721 Yes that was great of Jim Kelly sharing his real knowledge of Bruce's true skills. Jim Kelly is a true gentleman and respectful person. He said he won't name names (although we all want to know!), but he said "They" know who they are! Bruce Lee haters all love to talk $..t and say Bruce never fought and for all that considered his Long Beach exhibition footage his only recorded fight, news that's not him fighting, just showing some of his techniques. Bruce's friend Leo Fong tells of Bruce going to various dojos and gung-fu studios asking to spar their top students and at times the sensei or sifu feel they had to step up to honor their house and accept the challenge, none were even close to beating Bruce. Leo is I believe 91 years old and these were his words. He's still sharp and can be found on utube. I will add to what have been told to me by my father and was known to the San Francisco Chinatown community at the time. There is a Gung-Fu master still teaching in San Francisco. He is a couple of years younger than Bruce and came to the US a year after Bruce. At the time this man was Choi-Lay-Fut practitioner which is a rival style to Wing Chun. He challenge Bruce to a fight, he admitted to my father that Bruce beat him. I believed it was a friendly challenge to test which man's techniques were better, not a fight to the death. This man from what I know never was ashamed and said Bruce's skills were very good. And this is when Bruce was relatively unknown and did not transform to "honesty expressing" himself. My father is no longer with us for me to ask again about this match. I respectfully will not name this Gung-Fu master because he is still alive and this is what I was told when I was a kid, I can't confirm. Hearing stories from Bruce's students and friends of similar stories there's no doubt Bruce wanted to test his skills.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 Ай бұрын
I know you left this comment a while ago but my problem with this is that. I still wouldn’t feel comfortable with a weapon against Bruce. I’m not trained, but even having a weapon I would consider it stupid to go up against someone like Bruce. I keep hearing of these so called “masters” and weapons masters, but the stuff people say about Bruce was he completely broke the mould. The stuff he could do baffled people. You don’t hear this about other masters. You just don’t. So to be honest, this still kind of irritates me. I forgot all about this until just seeing this again. I think people forger, Bruce’s thought process was basically “how would I take this guy out if he had a weapon and I didn’t” that’s pretty much how he trained in general. This is why, also because of its superior mobility, he implemented fencing mechanics and footwork. To cover the distance quickly and get out quickly, and everyone who sparred with him all say they couldn’t do anything to him. Bruce would more than likely try to find a weapon, but I don’t think people know how fanatical he was. He was easily training more than anyone else, putting more repetitions in per week than anyone else, and he could be shown something and then within a week do it better than the person who showed him it. I’m always puzzled when I hear people who loved and admired Bruce say things about him later on, but then also say he was the best I ever saw. I just don’t get that.
@timprest8486
@timprest8486 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding
@stevenedmund5680
@stevenedmund5680 2 жыл бұрын
It's still hard for me .....maybe weapons wise Sonny is on another level but when I see Bruces speed and accuracy with his kicks in the black and white video labelled (please forgive me Adam) Bruce Lee bullet speed kicks it makes me wonder.
@pedrdi5608
@pedrdi5608 2 жыл бұрын
Knowing the history of martial arts in the 20th century you guys should be more skeptical. How many real knife fights the instructors had? 0, and If they say they do, is there anyway to prove It? You guys remember the bulshido days? How teachers would tell the most absurd stories and people just went with It? How do the art learn and evolves if nobody is cutting themselves for real? Im not advocating for real knife fights, just questioning, and the judo vs jiu jitsu experiment in japan comes to mind.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
@@luckymoon7276 doesn’t look like there’s any translation to empty hand from what I’ve seen. Looks like completely different things.
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Go see this and enjoy Jim Kelly opinion Jim Kelly talks about Bruce Lee's Sparring Ability
@lenq5918
@lenq5918 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching sifu Adam from Greeneville Academy on utube tell his story about asking Ted Wong why JKD or Bruce did not use, teach or incorporate knife work. Adam said Ted responded with this look as if what do you mean? Ted explained JKD is based on knife/sword movement. Ted explained Bruce's theory is the forward approach and footwork is your hand being the knife/sword. Bruce had really studied and found how efficient fencing techniques are and incorporate it to his system. I believe Bruce had given and taught Ted Wong his purest philosophy of JKD as you can see in Ted's seminars heavy with boxing, in and out footwork like a fencer. So that being said, what is more effective, constantly moving, turning slipping angles or moving forward and back squaring off your opponent utilizing a triangular base continuing in and out and minimizing unnecessary movement?
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@@lenq5918 You know, and most probably you will agree. When I was young I used to be mesmerized by old martial arts master that hardly fought or just moved and then apply their hit or lock or whatever moves effortlessly. I used to think it was about many techniques. But as I understand martial arts it is all about timimng and placement (footwork).
@theoracle5265
@theoracle5265 2 жыл бұрын
That's easy to say because he's dead if he was alive he'd find out different.
@JardoniJovonovich
@JardoniJovonovich 2 жыл бұрын
They're both dead
@TheOriginalRizk
@TheOriginalRizk 2 жыл бұрын
This format looks just like a shoot interview with a professional wrestler.
@melvinwells8350
@melvinwells8350 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee from the 60's or 70's? Two different Martial Artist.
@pardonthedank
@pardonthedank 2 жыл бұрын
Weapons teach you structure and help improve your timing as well as other things.
@spinningdragontao
@spinningdragontao 2 жыл бұрын
Nice division of the types of violence: social violence and predatorial violence. I like that. One driven by ego the other by desire to survive or protect. Nice one Adam 🙏🏻 salute. Peace.
@benjaminbecker8508
@benjaminbecker8508 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@sleethmitchell
@sleethmitchell 2 жыл бұрын
one day, fifty years ago, i was working with my kendo instructor. we took ourselves very seriously, but... ...for some reason, one strike i landed was accompanied with the visceral sensation of an actual cut. within the week, i gave kendo up to play music.
@timothyscott1951
@timothyscott1951 2 жыл бұрын
Btw Adam it's not you I disagree with it's Jessie , just wanted to make that clear
@intfstft
@intfstft 2 жыл бұрын
With empty hands too ? Yes I understand Sonny beating Bruce with weapons. But empty hands too ?
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
Unlikely
@unclebraddah
@unclebraddah Жыл бұрын
If you train with weapons... especially short blades/knives.. hand speed, eye/hand coordination, awareness, etc is exponentially heightened. The question of Sonny beating Bruce will always be hypothetical but considering the source who said it carries far more validity than anyone else speculating.
@JayJasperPugao
@JayJasperPugao Жыл бұрын
1:55 'Master Adam paraphrasing Sifu Jesse's comment comparing Sifu Bruce's movement with Maestro Sonny Umpad's movement'. 3:00 'Maestro Sonny's movement and curiculum being circular' Thank you.
@JKDVIPER
@JKDVIPER 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, only thing with weapons is, there’s nothing you can use legally? Even if you answer the call and win a conflict with a weapon? Your likely to face charges? People who will assault you with a weapon will say you’re the perpetrator? That’s my only thing with weapons I don’t like
@paulpolpiboon9535
@paulpolpiboon9535 2 жыл бұрын
Sonny Umpad? Ok, I'll look it up
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
Jesse's comments are rather silly, in fact stupid, to be honest. It is apparent that Jesse is referring to Sonny killing Bruce using weapons. No one said that Bruce cannot be beaten by anything or anyone. Heck anyone of us can kill Bruce or Sonny with a gun. So what does that prove? We are talking about empty hand street fighting. In the area, Bruce would have killed Sonny. Heck, even Inosanto would have killed Bruce if they fought using weapons. Even James Demile and Jim Kelly are on record saying no one could touch Bruce in an all-out empty hand street fight. You can find those clips on youtube. So I think it was stupid for Jesse to say something so childish.
@emilianosintarias7337
@emilianosintarias7337 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce also trained with weapons, and both thee guys are Asian. In Asia, a streetlight always involved the chance of weapons and multiple opponents.
@Chungi2020
@Chungi2020 2 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree Bruce's attributes and understand of economy of motion not to mention his deep understanding of all combative arts to say that Sonny umpad just because he moves well or even phenomenal in his art of escrima doesn't mean he can beat anyone and above all Bruce Lee and glover should have never said something so premature. The o ly way to know is for Bruce and umpad to put it to the test but that's not possible so these types of conversations have been spoken about for the last 40 years one who could beat Bruce and so on and so forth
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Here is what I wrote. Enjoy! Was Jesse Glover speaking about Bruce Lee without weapons againts Sonny Umpad? Was Jesse speaking about the Bruce Lee of early twenties or of the one of his late twenties? I mean I got my ass kicked by my sensei when I was 14 years old, but it would not happen now, well not with much efforts and luck to the level have both reached at the moment. I also got my ass punched when I first entered a boxing ring, but it went better for me the next time. SO who is Jesse Glover talking about? I trust more the opinion of Jill Kelly because I believe he was a much better martial artist during Bruce Lee was alive and see what he has to say in this short public speak. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHS8ea2fbM93fZo Titled Jim Kelly talks about Bruce Lee's Sparring Ability I am convinced that Sunny Umpad was a master. There are more than one person that achieve a mastery level in their martial arts practice. Bruce was not the only one!
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Come on, stop pullling my finger! Jim Kelly is a former champion and he clearly states he sparred with Bruce and saw him do sparring with other capable martial artists. I trust his perspective as a capable and proven martial artist. And I don't know if Jim Kelly kept on training with Bruce or not afterward? Bruce did like to keep in touch and train with many champions of his time.
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@laurence holden Not the same Kelly I heard. Did you listen to him on the video link I gave? Pretty much the opposite of what he says. So what to trust paper or video? Hum... really I don't know.
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@laurence holden You are right on that one. But I quote Kelly's intro on the subject in this interview: "I fought with the best. I trained with the best. I know great martial artists and there has never been anybody in my opinion like Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was unbelievable." He seemingly had eye witness then. Because he said he knew stories. And put it this way. If Kelly was a champion. Why on Earth would he debase himself saying Bruce Lee was a step above. Chuck Norris always staid quiet about which man was better. Everybody talks like they never sparred with Bruce Lee. I doubt that. They always say: We played a little and exchange. I think some people had carreers to protect, or their ego. Why would from all those those karate champs form that era would only Kelly talk about those sparring training? He says it clearly he does not want to mention names out of respect. And I don't believe he was necesseraly speaking about Norris. He trained with Joe Lewis, Mike Stone etc. I have a feeling Kelly experienced something with Bruce that awed him to speak like this. BUt he is dead now, so maybe it will stay a mystery.
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@laurence holden At this convention he clearly states :" And I am not only talking about the actor. I am talking about a martial artist that knew his stuff... I know people Bruce Lee sparred with. They won't tell you." He says he has more respect to tell for these marrtial artists to tell names. I really don't believe that Jim Keely was that much poor or a sucker to lie in conventions. It is like so much martial artists going on saying that Gene Lebel would kill Bruce Lee in a real fight. Even his former friend Bob Wall is going on telling this nonsense. You have to say Bob Wall was both friends with Bruce and Gene. I think this is because of the myth that BBJ is so unbeatable due to UFC craze with the Gracie family. I mean they are amazing on the ground fight, but BBJ being the supreme art is a myth. Same goes with Gene Lebel. So yes he was great and basically invented MMA when fighting a boxer who challenged other martials artists, BUT he was no Bruce. ABout the Gracies BJJ, did you know about Kazushi Sakuraba nickname the Gracie Hunte. He faced all the brothers and won on a fair match. Go check out his story kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKPSfZRno62Kj9E I am tired of people trying to diminish Bruce Lee's abilities. Same has the Gracies he was a man, not a myth. But in his game, he was great. Of course if he jumped on the ground with Gene Lebel or a Gracie he would have been gone... that is if he did not get to bite or poke an eye in time to survive. So it all comes to this. If you have a knive expert against Bruce or anybody for a fact, I bet on him. And this does not mean he might still lose the fight. A kick is a very long weapon. The fighter might get injured by the blade, but might still win the figt. I have a true story about unarmed against blade. There were 2 security guards in a mall. They intercepted a violent individual armed with a knife. The first guard one was a brown belt in self-defense techniques and the other a yellow belt in tae Kwon Do. The brown belt got stabbed and the Yellow under adrenaline belt kick the armed man and finished the fight. True story told to me by a guy that knew both brown and Yellow belts. Maybe I am like Jim Kelly on the story. Being told a story from first witness or confident is not as relliable. But I will take a guess about Bruce and say that there must be some truth behind all those stories and that he was not just an great action actor, but also a great martial artist.
@navigator5426
@navigator5426 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, so and so could beat so and so. When you have two people who are both well trained, you never know for sure who will win until they actually fight. So those kind of comments are counter-productive at best. In situations in life where ego comes into conflict with reality, reality will win every time.
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
Don't get stuck on comparisons, just watch some of Sonny's videos with an open mind. If you don't, you're going to be missing out on something very rare and very special.
@Burvedys
@Burvedys 2 жыл бұрын
Do not feed trolls! Kick them... :)
@gregargo1898
@gregargo1898 4 ай бұрын
Teacher, I really, really appreciate you. Thank you sooo much for allowing us to peak inside of your heart and mind. Thank you so much for speaking to these finer points of this art and its mechanics. Peace to you and yours Sir
@JKDVIPER
@JKDVIPER 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce had fights in Hong Kong and America 💥
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee has street brawls in Hong Kong with other teenagers. He never had any professional martial arts bouts. And in America he had exactly one fight against a local Chinese martial artist, and everyone who saw it describes it as a sloppy mess between two men who didn't really know how to fight; which is true of most confrontations between traditional martial artists. It was that fight that made Bruce start creating the concept of JKD because he realized Wing Chun was not an effective fighting system. Bruce Lee had exactly zero fights against actual trained fighters. Except technically Gene LeBell, which wasn't really a fight. LeBell picked Bruce Lee up and walked around with Bruce on his shoulders and Bruce couldn't do anything about it.
@JKDVIPER
@JKDVIPER 2 жыл бұрын
@@seraphinaaizen6278 wow, that was probably the biggest load of propaganda I’ve ever heard in my life... you obviously think mma is where it’s at but might I remind you, check out ufc 1 n watch a traditional martial named guirard destroy a giant with pin point striking.. or any of the dozens of fighters in competition that train and have black belts .. jui jitsu is a traditional martial art? Wrestling is traditional? Bruce Lee developed a genius street fight style that I do myself actually..
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 жыл бұрын
@@JKDVIPER "you obviously think mma is where it’s at" In terms of creating complete fighting systems, yes. "check out ufc 1" Where modern MMA still didn't exist. The very concept of MMA was still in its infancy. "watch a traditional martial named guirard destroy a giant with pin point striking" Are you talking about Gerard Gordeau? Who was a friggin' mixed martial artist? He started was already a championship level savate fighter (i.e. a friggin' kickboxer) and fought in competitive karate, but he also learned wrestling, judo and boxing. If you're talking about Gordeau, and calling him a "traditional martial artist" then you've just outed yourself as not knowing ANYTHING about what you're talking about (aside from the fact you got his friggin' name wrong). "jui jitsu is a traditional martial art? Wrestling is traditional?" Not really, no. Both of them are living martial arts that are continuing to be actively refined and modernized as times go on. Much like boxing or kickboxing. Traditional martial arts is a label that is applied almost exclusively to Chinese styles (although there certainly is a lot of bullshido from other parts of the world) where the martial art is essentially synonymous with a dead language; techniques are learned by rote, with very little in the way of practical application and what we have today as largely a derivative of whatever these styles MIGHT have looked like when they were first invented, because nobody has actually practiced them in combat for generations and actually know what they're supposed to look like (or if they were ever effective in the first place). Kung fu is almost completely functionally useless. And most 'masters' in traditional martial arts have never been in a real fight in their entire lives. There are some attempts going on to modernize kung fu (sanda being the most obvious answer), but they're not really rescuing kung fu from bullshido. "Bruce Lee developed a genius street fight style that I do myself actually.." Ah! That must be why we see so many people claiming that JKD is their fighting style winning full contact martial arts tournaments, right? I mean....right? That happens a lot, right? I'm sure it's happened....once? No? Not even that? Wow. It's almost like JKD isn't so much a genius fighting style developed by Bruce Lee as it is a con-job executed by people trying to ride Bruce Lee's coat tails and make money out of gullible Bruce Lee fanboys.
@JKDVIPER
@JKDVIPER 2 жыл бұрын
@@seraphinaaizen6278 I would fight you to prove it...
@JKDVIPER
@JKDVIPER 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thesenseiformerlyknownas exactly.. I do jkd but my dealings with Bruce are minimal because.. he wanted us to use it like a tool bag. Not a copy of him? I don't worship Bruce because I do jkd.. I just think he was a gifted brilliant warrior who developed something profound ..
@gunnerhiro394
@gunnerhiro394 2 жыл бұрын
Could u clear up something - Escrima also has ëmpty hands training - so are u saying Sonny could beat Bruce if he had a knife - or with empty hands??
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
He’s not beating Bruce without a weapon., no chance.
@IlianNachev
@IlianNachev 28 күн бұрын
If Bruce does anything in real life like he does things in his movies, I can just see him pull out a set of nunchucks from the back of his pants when someone pulls a knife on him… And when he does that, all I can say is “good luck!” 😎
@johnnemo6509
@johnnemo6509 2 жыл бұрын
Very insightful. My own personal feeling is if the art you practice does not include weapons it's not a martial art, it's a combat sport, Doesn't mean it isn't good, but as you say serious weapon work changes the reality...changes the way you look at what you do and why you do it. Also to defend against weapons you need to understand weapons so even if you don't plan on carrying a weapon due to the environment or local laws, if you feel that facing a weapon is a possibility you need to study it. If you study the CCTV footage of violent crime a lot of it is with knives, the people committing the crimes are not very well trained but they will still kill you if you do not understand the knife. Unlike fire arms which are relatively rare in most parts of the world, knives are everywhere.. you can walk into a dollar store or equivalent, anywhere in the world, and buy a kitchen knife, and you're armed. People who are focused on self defense in their training need to understand criminals know this. Great set of interviews thanks!
@adamchankungfu
@adamchankungfu 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your message John. It's very important we all be aware of what is the scenario we are leaving in nowadays.
@kdub7807
@kdub7807 2 жыл бұрын
Question? If Glover met Lee in '59 and trained with him approximately 4 years, isn't Glover's comparison based on what Bruce Lee was rather than what Bruce Lee became? Kinda like comparing Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali? Either way, I believe this world is full of " Bruce Lee's"; men and women who's discontent with traditions, systems and norms have freed themselves to BE... Your videos are drenched with the humility, knowledge, expertise and skill that so many "proclaimers" on pedestals with bullhorns sorely lack! Your authenticity is so appreciated; thank you.
@ziggydog5091
@ziggydog5091 Жыл бұрын
Xing Yi, FMA, these arts are weapon oriented combat arts that may also be done empty handed.
@KungfuCarnivore
@KungfuCarnivore Жыл бұрын
To me this is a non comparable situation. Bruce was a body fighter and that was his main focus. Though I accept his work with nunchaku. Still was only a small bit of what he studied. Sonny from what I see is all weapons. Idk? Am I missing something?
@IlianNachev
@IlianNachev 28 күн бұрын
So, Sonny Umpad was better in Filipino Escrima than Dan Inosanto then?
@VANJAKKOSTJUK
@VANJAKKOSTJUK Жыл бұрын
What's Adam's zodiac sign?
@carolsedillo-romero6350
@carolsedillo-romero6350 2 жыл бұрын
That would've. Been something to see...Bruce is still the Best..
@johnarchie19
@johnarchie19 2 жыл бұрын
What he saying is true
@buckwheatINtheCity
@buckwheatINtheCity 2 жыл бұрын
This guy forgets that Bruce was a fencer and even had a fencing stance when he wasn't fencing. Go back and examine his footwork. Danny Inosanto trains with weapons. He never claimed to be better than Lee, even though they trained together. Who does this guy think he is?
@jashardwallington
@jashardwallington 2 жыл бұрын
Dont training with weapons Help with your technique aslo how can defend against weapon if Don t kno how they work
@joelwidgins6329
@joelwidgins6329 2 жыл бұрын
This Brotha'$ deep"!" I had a Feng Sui fight with "white lotus" from Wu Tang and "Cosmic Crusader" from army of the pharaohs at once, And that was the only of two times I was truly afraid, not in the danger sense() in a display of Alchemy spells/personal systems, but marred of the enamory of using weapons/weather/wether. ADAM CHAN VERBALIZED AND DESCRIBED MY DEFAULT-WONDERS IN BETTER THAN MYSELF.
@mortgagefinancing5558
@mortgagefinancing5558 2 жыл бұрын
PEOPLE WOULD NOT TALK BAD ABOUT BRUCE IF HE WAS ALIVE
@allyquinn4587
@allyquinn4587 2 жыл бұрын
HELLO BUDDY AM WONDERING IF all MARTIAL ARTS ... OUT THERE ARE NOW ..DYING THANKS TOO (ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE...... BRUCE LEE... GREATEST GIFT TO ME WAS HIS BE WATER QUOTE.. ABSOLUTELY SOOOOOOOUPERB . LIFE IS WATER
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
Wat?
@robpelarde4734
@robpelarde4734 2 жыл бұрын
To Allen Quinn, duhh!
@allyquinn4587
@allyquinn4587 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 who ask u for ur opinion fannyface
@allyquinn4587
@allyquinn4587 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 who asked u for ur opinion fannybaws
@m.b.593
@m.b.593 2 жыл бұрын
Sonny Umpad
@ramondiaz2851
@ramondiaz2851 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was Sonny liston the heavy weight boxer!!! Excuse me for my mistake!!
@JayJasperPugao
@JayJasperPugao 2 жыл бұрын
Maestro Sonny Umpad!
@ramondiaz2851
@ramondiaz2851 2 жыл бұрын
@@JayJasperPugao I hear you brother!!
@JayJasperPugao
@JayJasperPugao 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramondiaz2851 blessings bro
@jashardwallington
@jashardwallington 2 жыл бұрын
Didnt sonny umpad help choreograph movies
@game9848
@game9848 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know if Sonny Umpad had trained any movie stars. It's documented that Danny Inosanto, Jeff Imada, Benny Urquidez, and Simon/Phillip Rhee have trained a lot of celebrities.
@jashardwallington
@jashardwallington 2 жыл бұрын
@@game9848 ok maybe im mixed up
@daltondammthebabe
@daltondammthebabe 2 жыл бұрын
even if Bruce Lee couldnt fight and could only write about "it" and philosophize and he never ever won a single fight i would still love bruce lee the same amount. no i would love him more because it would be more impressive.
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that people who deify Bruce Lee and pretend that he was some kind of fighting god actually DIMINISH Bruce Lee and his accomplishments. The man is one of the people most responsible for creating the concept of modern MMA - he didn't invent the concept but he certainly brought it to mainstream attention and inspired generations of martial artists that would follow him. Could Bruce Lee win a fight against a modern pro? No. He wouldn't have a prayer. He wouldn't have a prayer against the pro-fighters of his own era, let alone this one. Any pro-boxer of any weight class would crush him. But people who want to deify Bruce Lee and act as though he's the greatest fighter ever are completely overlooking what he actually DID to and actually DID contribute.
@blackninja73
@blackninja73 Жыл бұрын
Much respect to all departed masters mentioned but Bruce Lee probably would’ve shot Sonny Umpad had it come to that. According to Mr Glover’s books, Bruce Lee was also practical and a gun enthusiast. Would his ego override his pragmatism had he been faced with this scenario?
@jacillas7784
@jacillas7784 2 жыл бұрын
Until two great warriors have not meet in combat who knows who would win. Therefore what is ever said is just a opinion. Jesse only had a opinion. Maybe he always wished that B L .
@francoismorin8721
@francoismorin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Was Jesse Glover speaking about Bruce Lee without weapons againts Sonny Umpad? Was Jesse speaking about the Bruce Lee of early twenties or of the one of his late twenties? I mean I got my ass kicked by my sensei when I was 14 years old, but it would not happen now, well not with much efforts and luck to the level have both reached at the moment. I also got my ass punched when I first entered a boxing ring, but it went better for me the next time. SO who is Jesse Glover talking about? I trust more the opinion of Jill Kelly because I believe he was a much better martial artist during Bruce Lee was alive and see what he has to say in this short public speak. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHS8ea2fbM93fZo Titled Jim Kelly talks about Bruce Lee's Sparring Ability I am convinced that Sunny Umpad was a master. There are more than one person that achieve a mastery level in their martial arts practice. Bruce was not the only one!
@mikalis
@mikalis 2 жыл бұрын
In Unarmed combat Bruce Wins.
@JD.007
@JD.007 2 жыл бұрын
no. maybe with weapons. but not without weapons. no.
@dominicalberto2179
@dominicalberto2179 2 жыл бұрын
Both of them are passed away. So does it really matter.
@shadowninja569
@shadowninja569 2 жыл бұрын
To certain ppl it does
@dominicalberto2179
@dominicalberto2179 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowninja569 yeah your are right. I just don't care.
@indyphillipconner6252
@indyphillipconner6252 2 жыл бұрын
But the chances of Sonny Umpad beating Bruce Lee in a fight is like the chances of me beating a bear in a fight just saying
@hmongusa7228
@hmongusa7228 2 жыл бұрын
It must be a joke. I don't believe Jesse Glover has said that disrespecting Bruce Lee. Dan Inosanto was the baddest Escrima when he met Bruce Lee but couldn't even touch Bruce.
@jamiealaniz2454
@jamiealaniz2454 Жыл бұрын
Sifu chan is correct about weapons criminals us guns knives hands feet there's a lot more to say about violence in america england no guns knives used all the time to me real self-defense be a good shot with a gun get some knife training stick training kick punch jujitsu learn stand your ground law in your state. guess what ?you defend your self gun knife your problem just begun you gonna leave or call the cops why is he dead??
@davidmerlin6787
@davidmerlin6787 2 жыл бұрын
Sonny who????....
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
Sonny Chiba the streetfighter. ;-)
@m.b.593
@m.b.593 2 жыл бұрын
Umpad
@AztecUnshaven
@AztecUnshaven 2 жыл бұрын
Sonny Umpad, from Visayan Corto-Cadena Eskrima.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
Eh.. Jesse is talking about Bruce when “he” knew him, so I’m guessing bruce was in his early/mid 20’s. Not Bruce at 32 or in his late 20’s/30’s. So that’s not a fair assessment. It’s also an opinion.
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
and I am sure he meant kill Bruce with weapons. No one said that Bruce cannot be beaten by anything or anyone. We are talking about empty hand street fighting. In the area, Bruce would have killed Sonny. Heck, even Inosanto would have killed Bruce if they fought using weapons. Even James Demile and Jim Kelly are on record saying no one could touch Bruce in an all-out empty hand street fight. You can find those clips on youtube. So I think it was stupid for Jesse to say something so childish.
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
Here's Jesse admitting Bruce Lee is the best fighter he has ever seen, proving that he was referring to Sonny "killing" Bruce using weapons, not an empty hand all-out street fight: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZaafqqOjpqUf9k
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
@@shamounian great clip. Thanks for the link. Appreciate it. Just confirms Bruce was as legit as we all know he was.
@AztecUnshaven
@AztecUnshaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 You guys are getting way too worked up over nothing... he never said Bruce was not legit. Jesse absolutely considered Bruce as a masterful fighter of the highest caliber.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
@@AztecUnshaven I know. I’m not worked up. I just feel it was a bit silly to even mention that Jesse said that. It’s like when people say “yeh, Mike Tyson would smash Bruce in a real fight” but there are hundreds of different outcomes because it depends on where they are, access to weapons, who gets the first hit in and where and ultimately who was more aware during that moment. Maybe I am getting to caught up you’re right. But it was one of those statements that was made without context.
@allyquinn4587
@allyquinn4587 2 жыл бұрын
tbf a cud do it minus 30 secs ......🙄
@piusroussel8611
@piusroussel8611 2 жыл бұрын
He could . It never happened.
@renehenriksen1735
@renehenriksen1735 2 жыл бұрын
Now why is it that people believe that they can defeat Bruce Lee when he's death? When he was alive no one would challenge him. No one but idiots who couldn't see how good he was.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
Yeh that’s how it goes it seems.
@MERVILLE3
@MERVILLE3 Жыл бұрын
And Instructor Zero would beat both of them because he fights with guns. 🙄
@johndick3645
@johndick3645 2 жыл бұрын
Take sonny umpad,s sticks and knives away his footwork and arm actions are slow..wouldnt beat bruce hand to hand be fair i have 40 years experience in non classical gung - fu master umpad with weapons then yes anyone would have problems he is a true master and would cut you to pieces,
@88KUNGFUMAN
@88KUNGFUMAN Күн бұрын
Just watch out dor Dominic Izzo who trash talks Bruce and Jesse nonstop.
@angelorosini4326
@angelorosini4326 2 жыл бұрын
Watch all the Bruce Lee worshippers get butt hurt and start shouting blasphemy blasphemy Bruce was the greatest pound for pound fighter that ever existed lol.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
You Americans love that term “butt hurt” strange
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 жыл бұрын
Any pro-boxer, or any weight class, would be able to beat Bruce Lee very easily.
@angelorosini4326
@angelorosini4326 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 I used that to trigger them only you must be one lol
@angelorosini4326
@angelorosini4326 2 жыл бұрын
@@seraphinaaizen6278 definitely
@ronzopower5580
@ronzopower5580 2 жыл бұрын
How do you kill water 💧 in 30 seconds -Ignorance
@JayJasperPugao
@JayJasperPugao 2 жыл бұрын
you must not know about, Sonny Umpad
@danielwilliamson275
@danielwilliamson275 2 жыл бұрын
Bro what in the name of Christ are you smoking I just watched a couple of videos with him. No way he beats Bruce Lee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
So he could kill Bruce with weapons? I mean, okay? I guess. I’m pretty sure it’s easy to kill anyone with a weapon.
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
exactly. It seems obvious he meant kill Bruce with weapons. No one said that Bruce cannot be beaten by anything or anyone. We are talking about empty-hand street fighting. In the area, Bruce would have killed Sonny. Heck, even Inosanto would have killed Bruce if they fought using weapons. Even James Demile and Jim Kelly are on record saying no one could touch Bruce in an all-out empty-hand street fight. You can find those clips on youtube. So I think it was stupid for Jesse to say something so childish.
@axelstone3131
@axelstone3131 2 жыл бұрын
@@shamounian right, exactly this. I’ve been a fan of Bruce for a long long time now, and I’ve heard enough and read and seen enough, in enter the dragon and his other movies to come to the conclusion he wasn’t just good. He was genuinely exceptional at unarmed combat. I think he would give anyone problems, big problems. Was he unbeatable? Probably not, but, I bet if you beat him you’d end up missing an eye or seriously hurt, maybe even worse. Bruce was really brutal. I’ve heard that he had no problem hurting people if he was pushed and angry. He had no problem breaking someone’s leg etc. Bruce wouldn’t hold back and a lot of people don’t have that killer instinct. He clearly did. In fact I can see Bruce getting in trouble if it was a life of death situation because I really think he would kill someone, not to mention he carried a knife and gun the last few years. There’s no way this sonny guy would beat him in hand to hand combat. No chance. But even weapons, Dan Inosanto said he showed Bruce kali sticks, and nunchuckas and within a week he was better than Dan 🤷‍♂️ so what’s really going on here? Bruce seemed to be gifted, as well as obsessed with training. He got good at everything he did and he got good quick, so that’s unarmed combat and weapons training. So is this really being fair? Why don’t we give Bruce some weapons and then see how well sonny would do? Regardless. It’s just opinion but this sort of statements are just opinion. From what I know Jesse didn’t even hang out with Bruce during the 70’s and I don’t think they were even in contact, maybe not even in contact during the late 60’s. It’s hard piecing all this information together. It takes ages and you can’t just go to one source and get all this information on Bruce regarding time frames and training etc. It was stupid if Jesse to say stuff like that. Seems like a backhanded thing to say about his friend and Sifu. Then again, it seems a lot of people in Bruce’s life said things to his face but others behind his back. Plus anything said about him in his mid 20’s is irrelevant. His skill level was at his peak at 32. Yes he wasn’t at his healthiest during that time but from a skill point of view 32 was his peak and Jesse isn’t talking about 32 year old Bruce.
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 fact is Bruce was the best and the most influential martial artist of all time. That’s why no one will be talking about sonny or Joe Lewis, not even Norris. But they’ll always talk about Bruce. It’s sad he died too young since I would love to have met him.
@AztecUnshaven
@AztecUnshaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@shamounian good sir, Jesse's comment was not childish at all. Bear in mind, Jesse trained with and personally knew both Bruce and Sonny Umpad, we did not. Jesse held both guys in extremely high regard. Jesse's comment simply showed how much he respected Mr. Umpad's skills. Jesse always praised Bruce as an incredible fighter as well. Let's not forget that the core lesson from the comment was originally to point out, every hero also has heroes, and no matter how high level one feels that they've become, there's always more room for growth and skill. RIP to Bruce, Jesse and Sonny... they were all amazing masters.
@shamounian
@shamounian 2 жыл бұрын
@@AztecUnshaven it’s childish in the sense that to compare a master of weapons with a master of empty hand is silly. On an all out empty handed fight Bruce would demolish Sonny. Even Jesse said Bruce was the best fighter he’d seen. So for him to talk about Sonny killing Bruce is disrespectful since I can kill Jesse in 10 seconds of you give me a gun.
@stevebrindle1724
@stevebrindle1724 2 жыл бұрын
BruceLee was an overrated actor and an average martial artist at best!
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 жыл бұрын
Can we stop pretending that Bruce Lee was an actual fighter? He was a great martial artist, and he had a philosophy on fighting that was DECADES ahead of his time, but he wasn't an actual fighter. Any pro boxer, of any weight class, would have beaten the living crap out of him.
@buckwheatINtheCity
@buckwheatINtheCity 2 жыл бұрын
Talk is cheap! Bruce isn't alive to answer the challenge anymore. The man beat all of the world champions. All these modern day charlatans who want to sell books, wouldn't last one round with Lee at age 29.
@andonypoma8095
@andonypoma8095 2 жыл бұрын
bull crap u cant beat the god bruce lee
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