"He Knows He's Lying" - Hakim's Insane Revisionist History of Ukraine

[@grahmdionable]

i'm so glad lonerbox is here on youtube for a little sanity. i hate the tanky shit.

[@svon1]

yeah ... Hakim used to be more ...Sane... in the past, which is probably why certain people trust him, but he took the wrong red pill and now he lives in conspiracy land, tin foil hat and everything

[@comradara]

Cope

[@manipulatortrash]

​@@comradara🐒 🙈 🙊 🐵 🙉 🐒 🙈

[@groundzero5708]

​@@comradaracope .lol now ukraine is invading russia

[@HOI4notsoproplayer]

@@comradara lonerbox does a elaborated video showing why hakim was wrong and someome agrees and also makes fun o tankies (who unironically dont understand what tankies are, and somehow think its something good) tankie's most elaborate response: cope

[@octopusguy5648]

"nato has pursued Ukraine aggressively" *precedes not to mention that the first Ukrainian request to join nato was shut down*

[@_fluffypuppy_]

Every Ukrainian request to join nato was shut down. Even now they're looking for excuses not to take Ukraine

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@_fluffypuppy_ There is no need for Excuses. NATO is definitely according to its own charter not allowed to let a country that is involved in an active Shooting war join. Which technically has been true for Ukraine ever since Crimea 2014, when the negotiations were pretty far about joining the Organisation.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

the same way they pursued Poland.

[@legion999]

And kept getting shut down Only the invasion has convinced Nato that Ukraine should be allowed to join after the war

[@funram]

Plus that the first request to join NATO was in 1994. This request by the Ukrainian government was the reason the Partnership for Peace was established in the first place.

[@stilltoomanyhats]

Hakim's logic is solid: America=bad, therefore not-America=not-bad, therefore Russia=good. You don't need pesky empirical details when armed with that kind of deep theoretical insight.

[@WielkaPolska-o9t]

Bold of you to even consider a scenario in which Hakim cites a source that's not Grover Furr, or Michael Parenti.

[@just_a_casual_viewer]

And yet he looked at the headline and believe 40 billion dollars went to Ukraine and not recognized it's the amount for US equipment that's already been paid off. He also believe color revolution, which already destroy his creditability

[@tiborklein5349]

Vaush had the best take on this: "There are many bad guys and we're (the US) one of them."

[@locuraromantica]

He specially had criticized todays Russia. In fact he told that Putin is a product of the scam of liberalism in post soviet Russia.

[@catsofstyle4475]

They don’t like empirical evidence because it rhymes with imperialism

[@PatriotMapper]

Hakim starts off the video by saying Ukraine gained independence illegally and undemocratically, but Ukraine held an independence referendum on December 1, 1991, where 92.3% voted in favor of independence and 7.7% voted against. The referendum had 84.2% turnout.

[@badart3204]

He uses the Lenin mental gymnastics of democracy = whatever I like.

[@SillyVania]

Literally a 1 minute google search

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Every Nationalist Accusation is always a confession: Forget that Hakim said it about Ukraine and apply it to the "Territories that voluntarily decided to join Russia" after the beggining of the current war in 2020... former DPR/LPR and the other occupied Oblasts including Crimea.

[@demeranoust3647]

I remember my parents told me they also participated there and voted for independence

[@robertwiesner6825]

You see, it's illegal because Ukraine decided not to be a part of russia.

[@joshuayung5158]

He talks so much about weapons don't fill the humanitarian need of Ukrainians but im not hearing a peep about why humanitarian aid is suddenly necessary. Tankies will never hold Russia responsible for anything

[@WrathOfPhropet]

Tankies don't think that us Eastern Europeans have any agency. We were "guided by good communists who magnanimously decided to elevate us" until we were "destroyed by the lies of the west". Ukrainians didn't choose to overthrow the president who after a trip to Moscow didn't fulfill his promises, no, it was a CIA coup. Russians didn't choose to invade Ukraine, they are reacting to NATO expansion/Nazis/jews/whatever. They never acknowledge that we are people who want things, feel things and can make choices. We are always either obeying the west or reacting to the west. Basically they see us as animals, not people with agency.

[@jurgnobs1308]

there also IS a ton of humanitarian aid being sent.

[@joshuayung5158]

@@jurgnobs1308 He'd rather there be none. Probably argue that Ukrainians are better off under the rule of Russia than resisting. Despite Ukrainians finding bodies in rivers after Crimea was seized, despite Bucha, despite Irpin, tankies still believe in the benevolence of the vultures who seized all industry in post-USSR russia and the tyrant who leads them.

[@parentaladvisory113]

What makes it funnier is the fact that military aid is actually the smaller fraction of what is given to Ukraine by the West. Most of the financial aid is used to sustain the failing economy (which, as you could imagine, isn't feeling great rn) and pay the salaries to government workers (teachers, doctors, cops, etc). This contradiction might be a reference to the fact that Hakim doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

[@spamspam541]

@@parentaladvisory113 yeah but realistically humanitarian aid gives ukraine more leeway to spend on the military. The same way more generalized sanctions against russia would take away from russia's military capabilities even if they do not directly target them.

[@alphmar3778]

by the way, people generally understate how badly the baltics and eastern europe wanted to get into NATO. Poland literally tried to blackmail their way in, and the baltics for example sent troops onto NATO missions before they were even a part of NATO to prove how invested they were, they didnt just vote to get in, they did a lot of work to make sure NATO wanted them and accepted them

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

Lol yeah, man. Sure. They wanted to be in NATO. It's not that NATO is a totalitarian autocracy that uses their authoritarian iron first to rig elections.

[@EugeneYunak]

yeah! it’s the same with Ukraine - we sent our troops to nato and us-led missions to show our commitment and solidarity.

[@eiko4252]

Coming from Estonia I find it quite strange, that people like that so-called Hakim rail against western imperialism, yet act exactly like western imperialists themselves, in that they obviously know better than those pesky natives, what should happen in those regions.

[@Koooles]

Sometimes it goes like this: "they actually totally didn't want to leave Soviet Union, they all wanted to stay" "well, they might have wanted to leave, but it was all due to nationalist coup and extremists" "okay, they might be better off now and are running as far away from Russia as they can as independent country, but it's because they are actually vassal US state" "alright, they aren't a vassal state, but they are actually all totally nazis with nazi opinions and nazi government, siding with Nazi NATO and fascists liberal friends" "you know what, they didn't even deserve to exist, they should have been glad for Soviet Imperialism. They shouldn't even be a country." It's Fox and The Grapes the political philosophy lmao. I mean I unironically see this online so often, Baltics are simultaneously actually totally in love with communism and USSR and been tricked and used by West, while simultaneously are actually all nazi degenerates.

[@ReySchultz121]

So how is it? Post Soviet Estonia i mean.

[@eiko4252]

@@ReySchultz121 Generally good, I think, for most people. It's not easy to regain to countries that were not occupied and repressed for 5 decades, but we're doing our best and it generally seems to be working.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@eiko4252 Estonians try not to be fascists challenge: impossible

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@Abcdefg-tf7cu Putins Botfarms trying ultrahard to project their own criminal nature on everybody else challenge: Successful...

[@arskakarva7474]

So-called Hakim heard of being so-called "fractally wrong" and decided he could be more wrong than that.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@arskakarva7474 Making a so-called video on so-called Ukraine about the so-called brutal war.

[@arskakarva7474]

@@InfiniteDeckhand So-called brutal so-called war, you mean.

[@jloiben12]

The “even Elon and Putin get scared when in a lying contest against Hakim” contest

[@tiggerbane4325]

@@arskakarva7474so called so called brutal so called war clearly.

[@arskakarva7474]

@@tiggerbane4325 So-called clearly.

[@rct3LP]

Hakim: "The dissolution was illegal and against the law" Me, a true revolutionary: "LAW? LAW? WHAT ARE YOU? A FUCKING LIBERAL?"

[@madeline6951]

leave it to the tankie to drop all the pretense of revolution when facts of reality are against him

[@rct3LP]

@@madeline6951 Hakim loves licking the boot so much as long as it is painted red and it deeply disgusts me. Socialism is a great system with the very worst advocates and weighed down by the names of dead people and dystopien empires claiming its title.

[@DatDude0925]

Shout out to Vaush

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@madeline6951 Leave it to the dronie to accuse everyone else of being tankies. Why do you support totalitarianism and authoritarian autocracy? Are you some kind of totalitarian who wants to live under authoritarianism? Why do dronies always simp for totalitarian regimes?

[@downwithbsbsbs1926]

whats your favorite piece of revolutionary theory ? ... what? your the fucking liberal , petite bourgeois.

[@jloiben12]

He’s a tankie. Of course he lies and knows that he is doing it. That’s like their default operating system

[@JohnDoesSports]

no different than the "standard variant" of fascist

[@blubbblubb.7867]

Wait they can also choose between 32 bit Hasa 64bit Hakim 82bit Jackson

[@JohnDoesSports]

@@sasha_something >He's a so-called "tankie". Of course he fractally[sic] lies and knows he's doing it. That's like their default so-called "default operating system".

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@blubbblubb.7867 Hasan is a dumb Himbo and definitely had very bad stances. but he is nowhere near as bad as Hakim. the reason Hasan can be a problem is the sheer size of his audience, so the bad takes spread. if Hakim had that sort of audience, we would face a serious problem

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

"I'm not a so-called "liar", and even if I was so-called "lying" it would be good." - Hakim probably

[@voltman987]

I dont understand the people that will complain about western imperialism and blame the USA for everything but then proceed to deep throat Putin or the CCP for doing the same thing...

[@firehot427]

Because they think the US is the woe of the world causing everything

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

I call it Internalized American Exceptionalism. Only the USA can do bad things because it's supposed to be better than everyone else.

[@pnduarte4696]

CCP is more passive than russia and US and Russia has more respect in third world countries.

[@venomexe9738]

Cant wait for a hakim to do a vid on Poland cuz thats gonna be a circus show

[@soulsborne7765]

Also the baltic that would probably be somehow worse

[@woocashP]

he already did, he said that the Solidarność movement was sponsored by the CIA to overthrow communism in Poland.

[@WWSzar]

@@TomislavPuklin-x5mLithuania, Latvia and Estonia

[@arskakarva7474]

@@soulsborne7765 The Finland bonus hour might be up there too.

[@bohomazdesign725]

Yeah and with the title "How the EU and NATO destroyed Poland" - would be so much fun to see that alternate reality video especially considering that Poland is kind of Europe's rock star right now.

[@yerroblige23]

Hakim's smugness and sarcasm is generally proportional to how weak and wrong his arguments are

[@darthzackariusnickthenamethede]

As is the case with all tankies

[@DanielKondratiuk]

As a so called Ukrainian I do appreciate your so called effort!

[@alexandervlasyuk9095]

As another so-called Ukrainian I do agree with your so-called statement in your so-called comment

[@xb2856]

The "so called" thing is really big for tankies idk why. In China the tankies do the same thing, everything is "所谓"

[@VallornDeathblade]

When things like free markets visibly work and produce decent to good results, they're left without good attack lines and so they resort to claiming that these don't actually exist and are just a smokescreen, hence "so called".

[@zacharylegaspi7594]

where can I learn more about chinese tankies?

[@arskakarva7474]

I think it's their way of vaguely gesturing towards imagined hypocrisy.

[@xb2856]

@@zacharylegaspi7594 Good introduction is to check out the foriegn ones eg Nathan Rich

[@xb2856]

@@zacharylegaspi7594 You can maybe check out some of the foriegn China tankies first, people like Daniel Dumbrill, Cyrus Janssen, Nathan Rich, or FerMuBe. They get worse as you go along. After that you can get Weibo and google translate some of the allowed political stuff on there, or go on bilili or something.

[@amitklain4199]

Hakim should just admit he's as bloodthirsty as any American hawk, instead of clutching his pearls whenever the US and its allies do anything. We all know this selective outrage only applies one way. I mean how can you be mad about the Nakba and be chill about the genocide of the cossacks. That shit makes no sense.

[@fritznovak4482]

He’s more bloodthirsty. The worst American Warhawks have nowhere near the amount of blood on the hands as tankies, they have the blood of tens of millions of people on their hands.

[@WrathOfPhropet]

Easy, if you subscribe to Chomsky school of morality, meaning your only "moral" value is US bad and therefore anti-US good.

[@SparklesBB]

The overlap in the Venn diagram of Palestine Derangement Syndrome* and Tankies is huuuuge. *A chronic mental health condition endemic to leftists, both in the west and throughout the world, where they become convinced that Palestinians are absolutely the most oppressed people on earth and Israel is the ultimate genocidal evil and worse than any other country in history, in fact, it's not even a legit country so we're gonna call it "Israhell" or "Isnotreal" or just bleep out the name of it like Hakim did, and anybody who disagrees with the Hamas "freedom fighters" is a fascist and a racist. Many people who suffer from PDS experience a loss in ability to converse with those who do not have PDS, even those of us who agree that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is unacceptable and oppose the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and find the settlements abhorrent, because any sort of future solution towards peace that includes Israel's continued existence is considered "normalization" and is a non-starter. If you or someone that you love suffers from PDS, know that there is hope and that healing is possible. Start with reading a book written by someone you disagree with.

[@ColmanRetro]

@@fritznovak4482Let’s not mince words here. It’s hundreds of millions.

[@amitklain4199]

@@ColmanRetro would be better to just admit it. It's so scummy when cries foul that the disillusion of the soviet union wasn't democratic. Like no shit. Nothing was democratic about the soviet union.

[@darthplagueis13]

Hakim when communists overthrow a government: "Viva la revolución!" Hakim when any other popular movement overthrows a government: "Wait. That's illegal!"

[@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095]

I'm not a Tankie, but that's not a good point. Would you approve if Fascists overthrew a government, as long as they were a popular movement? It's not hypocritical to want your side to win and other sides not to win.

[@darthplagueis13]

@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 My point is, if you're simply biased then just say so. Complaining that something was unlawful rather than just bad or unethical from your point of view is rather silly if you simultaneously are willing to advocate for any given unlawful action that is in support of your ideology. Like yeah, I'm not gonna be a fan of a fascist coup, but provided it's a popular coup, my complaint is gonna be that they're fascist first and foremost, not that it's a coup. Though then again, the main issue with fascist takeovers is that they're often not popular and I am willing to criticize any takeover that completely bypasses the democratic process, no matter who does it.

[@ВячеславВячеславыч-с7с]

@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 yes

[@ТаняПриймич-и6с]

@@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095 for me the communist and fascist are the same. same autoritarism, same collectivism same deaths of people

[@DavidStrelec-p1h]

​@@ТаняПриймич-и6сthey're not the same thing. They're quite the opposite.

[@didncozosksma4466]

A lot of these pro USSR guys conveniently forget about the Holodomor and the Ukrainian war for independence in the 1920s, because any mentioning of self determination/struggle for it destroys their arguments.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

they do not forget, they pretend it's not real/ factual history.

[@Peopleunder]

War of Independence? Ukraine literally depends on Germany and Poland.

[@marseldagistani1989]

@@Peopleunder Better the Germans and the Poles than the Russians

[@Starman062]

@@Peopleunderdue to Russia attempting to make Ukraine dependent on Russia. When it became clear to Putin that Ukraine would not choose to rejoin Russia, he decided to force Ukraine under Russia by force.

[@kettelbe]

​@@Peopleunder putin slave

[@ekaterinastaneva9922]

Loner is wrong. Eastern europe didn't loose interest AS SOON as the iron curtain felt. We f**king hated it before. Families had to put on the radio loud to share for a minute or two whispering how they feel. For my dad to say that Marxist Leninism and Dialectical Matrialism classes suck in uni to his dad, the radio had to blast in the background, how mad! Also in highschool a spy (yes a spy in school, who's job is to befriend kids and to tell his senior National Security agent about any contrabanda in their house, such as bananas, jeans, Marlborro cigarettes or rolling stones music...you heard correct I said bananas and jeans) that there was a report on my dad because he has white socks with blue and red stripes. The stripes were apparently resembling american flag. Dad had to throw his socks in the toilet and flush them. Two civilian men stopped him after school ans asked for his papers, asked him why he is wearing shoes without socks and he said he had white socks that got muddy and threw them away so his mum doesn't beat him at home. They let him go and said if they see something sus next time he will spend the night in the police station. Does a social order in which a radio has to play and spies spying highschool kids for jeans and agents checking someone's socks sound like something that any human being despite their nationality, ethnicity or backgrounds can enjoy even remotely?!? The only people who likes that gross bizzare...idk communist experimental authoritarian mess, were people who benefited from corruption, theft or cronyism. My mums parents let them rest in peace kinda liked communism. My grandad was working in galvanisation factory and was taking home huge amount of...idk huge random mental parts of machinery. Not sure why I think he was reselling them in scrab yards for change. Also vodka was cheaper then bread and he was alcoholic tbh like everyone in the factory. My grandma loved that for a bottle of home made wine and salami you can get at the front of every waiting list and queue. Yeah that was basically communism in a nutshell

[@timothyernst8812]

Something that benefits people like Hakim and Putin is that "nazi" means something different to Russians vs. people from the West. We think a "nazi" is a national socialist, i.e., someone who believes in national socialist ideology. In Russia it just means someone who is against Russia. Instead of calling out this equivocation critics end up shadow boxing to prove radical right wing nationalists don't have much influence in Ukraine, and the more they shadow box the guiltier they look to anyone sympathetic to Russia or hostile to the US.

[@WrathOfPhropet]

National socialism as a name is misleading because Nazis were corporatists and got rid of the more socialist elements when they assumed power. It was just branding. They were firmly far-right and really, just nationalists. But yes Russia uses that word differently. That's why Ukraine, where the far-right vote is among the lowest in the world is somehow all Nazis, but people like Le Pen or AfD aren't, because they like Russia.

[@ArtemMelanich]

More than that.. it means anyone around russia who want to preserve it's independence and nation instead of merging with russia.

[@timothyernst8812]

@@ArtemMelanich As far as Russia is concerned everyone is against it and therefore a nazi. Their only allies are China are North Korea, but they know they're allies of convenience and will betray them as soon as the opportunity presents itself. Russia is eternal, borderless, and always the victim which also makes it always right. This means anyone outside Russia is against Russia and thus a nazi.

[@Svabre]

I guess I’m a hardened nazi then according to these guys🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thejohnreview9650]

No, it's not. Those who are simply against Russia are called "russophobes". They call Nazis mainly those who take an antagonistic position towards the USSR during WW2. Like, "If you're against the USSR, then you automatically support Hitler."

[@FireOccator]

My recommendation to people who want to watch videos about the history of Ukraine. Don't waste your brain cells on Hakim, instead watch videos of university lectures by historians who specialize in Ukrainian history.

[@dannydetonator]

I'll drop just top two historian names for those who don't know (especially tankies who come to seethe here): 1)Serhii Plokhy 2)Timoty Snyder.. Of the top of my head, i forgot which of the rest have legit degrees in history. There are many more historians and less academic sources, like Sergey Pomerantsev (or if you want history from non-Kremlin Russians, Steven Kotkin is borderline acceptable, but there are many better ones like Ludmila something, names escape me right now), youtubers Sarcasmitron, Animarchy History, William Spaniel, Savage Sage (legit histotrian with a nationalist bias) and many others with either neutral or Ukrainian perspective, recounting Ukrainian history and debunking Soviet/Novorossija heavily edited or downright fake propaganda lie history. I still have some of those revisioned history books my parents were forced to learn from in school, despite knowing full well that it's not true from own and my grandparent's experience. Mind, the new Kremlin's revisioned history is even worse than that of USSR approoved.

[@AdvocatusDiaboliFin]

Hakim's pronouns: so/called.

[@Mihailo_Slavutsky]

😂

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

You know, that actually makes me wonder. What's Hakim's opinion on gay people and transgender people? Since he's allegedly a devout Muslim and all that.

[@evel8042]

​@@InfiniteDeckhandyeah I feel inclined with his shitty fascist aligned talking points make me feel like he wouldn't like people like me😐

[@iMoD190]

@@InfiniteDeckhand he does insane mental gymnastics to attempt to justify being a devout orthodox Muslim on one hand, whilst also being a Marxist Leninist on the other hand. it leads to him making ridiculous arguments to try and claim that Sharia Islamism is compatible with things like feminism and homosexuality. he doesn't bring it up often, probably because even his audience can see how dumb it is.

[@groundzero5708]

​@@InfiniteDeckhandsoviet muslim alliance was something that is very unholy to the west

[@jurgnobs1308]

wait what, Hakim supports fascists? no way!

[@cpu_1292]

yes way

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@cpu_1292 well, colour me surprised! I was sure the first 20 times were by accident!

[@chozer1]

Well gee golly. Who woulda thought?

[@arnigeir1597]

@@jurgnobs1308 the checklist is anti US, and vague socialist aesthetics, and plenty of fascists make that cut.

[@william4996]

ONLY if they agree with him.

[@lankadominions959]

Actually the last SSR, even after Russia left, were the Kazakhs. There was a couple of days when the USSR was only Kazakhstan.

[@generalgrievous2202]

Kazakhstan should have inherited the UNSC seat, alhamdulillah

[@lankadominions959]

@@generalgrievous2202 sry to disappoint, but USSR's UN Rep didn't change and Gorbachev was still, technically, General Secretary during that short time.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@generalgrievous2202 the three (yes, the Soviets played Politics like the UK plays Soccer, pretending that the partial countries they rule over were "kind of really actual countries") USSR seats were LITERALLY designated as Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, Kazakhstan had never an independent seat before 1991. That seat was gone with Russia.

[@yin6287]

​@@lankadominions959 but it would be funny tbh if Kazakhstan didn't dissolve it.

[@lankadominions959]

@@yin6287 yeh that would have been fun. But i can appreciate that the Kazakhs recognized the toxicity of the brand, even with their own ppl.

[@Virginija658]

9:20 Stalin deported at least 5-10% of population with 70% being women and children. So yep, baltic countries hate Stalin as Hilter. And deportations was much more cruel, then most people understand. People were deported in closed overcrowded cattle vagons with very little food. Many people died from dysentery and similar illnesses. And journeys lasted 2-3 weeks. The real numbers of how many people died on the way will never be known. You compare with what hitler "could do".

[@arskakarva7474]

Well it isn't so much "could do" but "what they wanted to do" and the only reason they didn't get around to it was that the chronic labor shortage in Germany because of how screwed their economy was meant that mass slave labor recruitment programme (yay what improvement /s) was implemented ad hoc instead (not that it slowed them down that much). But I think it always should be pointed out that being better than natsocs is such a low bar that the bar has literally been buried underground. And the Stalin did try to dig.

[@tooitchy]

This is why they're the most based people on the planet, they fucking hate communists, and nazis. Also South americans, most of them have suffered under communism as well, so if you ever need a barometer on a politician you're unsure about, seek immigrants from baltic states and south america/cuba, they will tell you if they're socialists/communists lol

[@SparklesBB]

I try not to spend time comparing which of the mass murdering dictators was worse than the other, but yes, mass deportations in the Soviet Union were absolutely gruesome and cruel. Well said about digging for the bar, @arskakarva7474. I highly recommend We Were The Lucky Ones on Hulu, it's a miniseries about a Polish Jewish family with 5 adult children who all got separated from each other over the course of the Holocaust and it's SUPER well done. There's a lot within the first few episodes that focuses on the USSR and Germany splitting up Poland and how much it fucked up everyone's lives. (mild spoilers ahead) They also show exactly what it was like for a couple to get unexpectedly arrested by corrupt Soviet bureaucrats for BS charges, taken from their home at night without a chance to tell their loved ones what's happening, crammed into an overcrowded cattle car with barely any food or water for WEEKS, and thrown into a gulag. I could barely take it when they showed 2 train staff taking the body of a man who died during the horrific train ride and unceremoniously tossing him into the snow. Not every Soviet deportation ended at the gulags, but the vast majority had that level of cruelty and carelessness for human life and dignity. But Tankies will go on and on until they're blue in the face about how much "respect" the USSR had for all people and never admit that that respect and dignity was usually reserved for ethnic Russians who fell in line with the authoritarian regime.

[@manipulatortrash]

@@DavySolaris its funny these same people would turn around and despise america for displacing many native peoples while exposing them to extreme conditions yet fail to see the moral failure of irresponsibly displacing people in another part of the world. Its almost like displacing or expelling people in general causes great suffering and harm to the victims.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Tankies understand how cruelit is when they talk about native Americans but not when it comes to the Soviet union

[@kappatwn6307]

remember cyrillic alphabet means socialism

[@sayhelllotomylittlefriends]

Бий червоних поки не побіліють, бий білих поки не почервоніють

[@craigstephenson7676]

Does that make this war leftist infighting?

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@kappatwn6307 Bulgarian socialism for the win.

[@alxstep777]

​@@InfiniteDeckhandMongolian!

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@InfiniteDeckhand too many people don't know the cyrillic alphabet was first invented for the bulgarian language

[@untanable]

As a Ukrainian I have never seen a good video on a ukrainian history topic in the western segment. And have seen incredibly small amount of good ones in the Ukrainian one.

[@Conorthefarrington]

Honestly the responses to bad videos tend to be better at exploring Ukrainian history, at least to my perception

[@wasserman7273]

Timothy Snyder lectures on Ukraine history are good

[@GareyPongat]

What are your thoughts on Sarcasmitron’s series of videos on Ukraine?

[@ayararesara6253]

@@GareyPongat I wacthed 3/4 of them and I think they are the best popular short history videos in english.

[@ІлляВетров-й2д]

​@@wasserman7273he is on the opposite spectrum tho. Just don't ask Timothy what he thinks about the Kyivan Rus and the Golden Horde, literally Banderowiec talking points

[@sulljoh1]

The following year the *finger-quote* *"so-called"* *finger-quote* "free people of middle earth" rebelled against Sauron the Great

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

It's very telling that you are repeating literal Nazi propaganda about how Slavic people are subhumans who deserve to be conquered by the "Free, white men of the west."

[@rotmistrzjanm8776]

Ironically there is Russian fanfic book that potrays literally that. If I remember correctly it's called "The Last Lord of the Rings"

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

@@rotmistrzjanm8776 NATO bots programmed to spreas disinformation. Bidenler and Trumpler's bots need better programming.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

@@rotmistrzjanm8776 Joeadolf Bidenler and Donaldolf Trumpler need better bots than you. Kamaladolf Harrisler will probably have a better global bot conspiracy.

[@Gooberpatrol66]

​@@rotmistrzjanm8776the last ringbearer

[@climatecringe5594]

With Russia simps it's always so that if you talk about the problems and crimes of USSR then they say those belong to everyone. But if you talk about the nukes, Ukraine, Baltics etc then everything that was in USSR belongs to Russians.

[@madeline6951]

some tankies are so far gone that they believe all problems of the ussr to have been caused by america 🥴

[@alphana7055]

What crimes?

[@madeline6951]

@@alphana7055 wars, genocides, corruption, violent coercion, concentration camps for dissidents, the list can go on.

[@badart3204]

@@madeline6951problem happens = CIA = satan did it

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

@@alphana7055 Holodomor, Gulag, deportation of Jews, Minorities, Cossacks to distant Siberian penalty colonies, Assassination of political enemies, Wars against the Baltic States and Poland, War in Afghanistan.. (And yes, while "bothsidesisms" is a shitty attempt at an argument, the effing USA have commited a lot of similar crimes as did tsarist -PRe-USSR Russia, does not remove a single ounce of guilt from the soviets though. Brutal oppressionist regimes all are guilty of that shite)

[@noaoah3662]

One thing I’m happy about is that a lot of the comments under his video are criticizing many of the points made in that video. Good to see a lot of his audience (at least under that video) is more lucid and able to handle such talking points

[@jloiben12]

I bet it is because of other content creators who critiqued his video

[@RouxColdMilk]

100 percent this, his comment sections are usually pretty uncritical ​@@jloiben12

[@idontwantahandlethough]

I'm a leftist and I still can't wrap my head around why anyone would be a USSR/Russia apologist. Why? How is supporting modern day russia "leftist" in literally any real way..? Why is Hakim like this?

[@joshuayung5158]

Tankie logic is pretty simple: USA does bad things. Therefore US bad. Then everything opposing the US good. If the opposition against the US does bad things, then it's CIA lies.

[@AttilaKattila]

>AMERICA BAD >WEST BAD

[@badart3204]

He’s Iraqi. His leftism is purely just reactionary to the West destroying the country. Russia didn’t mess with Iraq much and is anti west so he supports them. Anything anti U.S. is good to him

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

America = bad, that’s it.

[@TyroPirate]

I think, for some reason too many leftists out there see Russia as an opposing force to US imperialism, so that alone makes it good. Horrible thinking. Why can't we hate both the US and Russia equally?

[@thenewmase]

legit can't think how anyone can see Russia invading and attacking first then try to paint them as the real victims of this conflict

[@angelicinterment]

The point isn't that Russia are victims, the point is that if the shoe were on the other foot, the west would have felt entitled to act exactly the same way Putin has. Their interest in helping Ukraine isn't out of concern for international law or moral decency, but rather imperialist self-interest. Whoever wins, the Ukrainian people lose.

[@thenewmase]

@@angelicinterment except the west isn't bombing Ukrainian cities, isn't killing their people, and isn't going to take their land if they lose All this talk about 'the other foot' is nothing more than an attempt to shift the blame to the 'west' for daring to give Ukraine a fighting chance

[@thenewmase]

@@angelicinterment except the west isn't going to take Ukrainian land if they lose now they?

[@thenewmase]

@@angelicinterment so focused on what the west might do that you barely look at what Russia is doing. The west isn't going to take Ukrainian land if they lose, isn't killing their people, and isn't destroying their cities

[@angelicinterment]

@@thenewmase what difference does taking the land make? The goal of economic extraction is the same for the west and for Russia. Ukrainians are right to defend their country, but the elites spearheading this war effort will ultimately just look to line their pockets as Ukraine becomes a semi-colony of the US empire.

[@marciukspuks5353]

“vassal state” translation - lithuania s gdp twice the size of serbia and russia.

[@chozer1]

Bruh when little baltic country is better than a giant country like russia

[@lover5796]

@@chozer1 as a person who is living in lithuania, my country is quite nice, not as corrupt and people aren't being sent to die for pointless wars.

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@chozer1 I think it's the per capita GDP, not the total. so, small countries can do well in that aspect.

[@sojicko]

wtf are u talking about

[@FireOccator]

There was a moment in history where Finland's annual GDP was higher than the entirety of the Soviet Union.

[@ДАНИЛДанько-и1о]

We(ukrainians) don't understend,why comunism are getting more popular in western countrys? Why,when you have an experience of country's after com. ruling. Maybe,because we are lived with that type of ruling and you don't understand us,becuse you do not have that experience

[@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd]

and how old are you?

[@njbrx]

​@@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerdI'm guessing 12 at most

[@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd]

@@njbrx its always "my family suffered" but they can never point out jack shit about where their family even was, or its "i dont know how you could support it if you see what it did" and like what? from a rural backwater destroyed by war and terrorized by the Nazi, to the first rockets in space, nuclear reactors, and first man, dog, and woman in space within THIRTY FUCKING YEARS.

[@czwarty7878]

@@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd "let me tell you the REAL truth about your country and life" ~every american on internet ever

[@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd]

@@czwarty7878 Literally.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

I find it remarkable that Hakim's videos lately are just so chock-full of loaded language mixed with smugness and condescension, more so than usual. He really has gone off the deep end even more than I previously thought was possible for him. Out of the tankie trifecta (Him, Second Thought, and Yugopnik) he is definitely the most unhinged one.

[@arnigeir1597]

Lately?

[@BNcreg]

it's always been this way. i was a hakim fan maybe like 3-4 years ago but thankfully havent been for at least 2 years now.... he is a nutcase

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@arnigeir1597 Yeah. Well, maybe not lately, but he wasn't always this extreme. Some three years ago or so, he actually made a couple good videos on occasion. Still a tankie, though. That never changed.

[@arskakarva7474]

@@InfiniteDeckhand I'd say it's more that he thinks he doesn't have to hide it anymore.

[@arskakarva7474]

​@@DavySolaris Not become, they always were like that. They just didn't say what they really believed out loud as often before (that they want to be the patent leather boot stamping on a human face forever). October 7th has made their bloodthirst even more vocally expressed.

[@jakebrooks3415]

You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?

[@cpu_1292]

nah. as Abraham Lincoln once tweeted: "nobody lies on the internet"

[@brunozivkovic1304]

​@@cpu_1292 remember when Albert Einstein said: "I didn't say that shit"

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Probably the world's biggest economic sector since the early 2000s.

[@ТарасДзебчук-и1ы]

My mom told me that lie is bad so I think no

[@savis0]

Oh of course Hakim believes in 'sO cAllEd' Colour Revolution Theory, of course he bloody does.

[@ReySchultz121]

You know i was gonna say i speculate he might believe in it but you confirming it just..... Omfg..... Next level pro-dictatorship right there.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

Of course Hakim believes in the thing that has been proven to exist for decades. Facts are for tankies.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@ReySchultz121 It's funny because you are a dronie, which means you want to live under authoritariansm and use totalitarian autocracy to force your dronie authoritarianism on everyone else.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

​@@ReySchultz121 Do you have any arguments other than accusing your openents of wanting dictatorship? Because here in the real world, your dronie totalitariansim has suppoerted way more autoractaic authoritariams dictatorships than any "tankie." You dronie sure do love your totalitarian dictatorships with authoritarain autocracy.

[@ProperlyGaming]

"My sources? My source is I made it tf up!"

[@valipunctro]

To be fair,he probably has source,there just the most bias and pro putin sources.

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

You dronies make up all your sources. Quit projecting, dronie.

[@Goerge-lu3ok]

So called "sources"

[@commissarchad]

The greatest senator ever.

[@alviseossena3238]

never ask hakim what he thinks of the Kurds. worst mistake of my life

[@kye4216]

@RealQuarlie It would put Israel to shame

[@firehot427]

The same the nazi’s did to the jews

[@Dr.variable]

And that would be his downfall

[@yamayago1641]

@RealQuarlie He's Iraqi so you should know the answer (if not I can't technically say it without being mass report so lol)

[@Svabre]

@RealQuarlieIt appears that he has a strong negative opinion of the kurds judging by the other comments here, although it is supremely annoying that noone here is giving a goddamn straight answer.

[@jurgnobs1308]

no, NATO does not require the members to spend 2% of their GDP on defence. it never was a binding number. it has always been a spending goal.

[@unexpected2475]

cough cough Canada

[@penpen3231]

yeah lets pretend there is no pressure at all about that spending goal

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@penpen3231 the pressure essentially only exists by trump and he in fact lies about it.

[@dadistos4538]

@@penpen3231there only recently was real pressure, for decades everyone skated, and now they’re paying the price later.

[@worldspam5682]

not with trump, it seems.

[@jackyboi5824]

Ever notice how Tankies never get into specifics it’s always massive over sights

[@Abcdefg-tf7cu]

"Tankies" don't exist. You dronies just call anyone you don't like "tankie." It is a sign that you dronies are really authoritarian and like totalitarian regimes thatbuse autocracy to force government control.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

could it be they just do not know very much about politics, history and geography per se?

[@maxanderson8872]

*Hakim uses legality as an excuse for reprehensible behaviour* "Actually, reforms that Ukraine did were bad even though they were 'legal'" Which is it dude? Does legal=good or not?

[@GavinGavinGavinGavinGavinGavin]

Also the 1991 referendum was actually mistranslated in the Central Asian nations to mean their individual republics would gain independence, that’s why they overwhelmingly voted yes.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Which has exactly what to do with UKRAINE?

[@zhalgas0455]

skill issue

[@marciukspuks5353]

speaking about corruption as my uncle used to share how they would dump diesel into puddles and rivers from their trucks because they could record larger kilometers thus higher overtime. this particular scheme started in the 70s at least.

[@janaejoaodosacramento9731]

At least the comments under his BS make me have some hope, people calling him out

[@Simon1si]

The fact you even know Slovenia exists shows me you actually know what you are talking about respect

[@SparklesBB]

So, idk if you're Slovenian or just someone who really likes European georgraphy, but I gotta say that this comment comes across as either a strange version of underdog syndrome for Slovenia or just kind of condescending. You're underestimating people before they've given you a reason to think they're uninformed. I think it's fair to assume that people who are engaging in detailed discussions of European history know, at the very least, the basic geography of the Balkans.

[@manipulatortrash]

@@SparklesBB you'd be surprised with how ignorant a lot of discourse on central to eastern europe is. You're right that you'd expect people engaging in this part of the world would know their stuff, but that isn't really a standard as much as it is a hope.

[@SparklesBB]

@@manipulatortrash I get what you mean, and of course there will always be some arrogant people who try to dive into discourse without knowing their shit. I just think that assuming as a default that people (esp. people who are engaged in talking history and politics) don't know Slovenia exists is condescending, and worse, a very pessimistic view that can drag down discourse. Assuming that your debate partner/discussion partner generally knows their shit - and then adjusting your expectations if they show that they DONT know their shit - yields better conversation. Plus, this approach gives you the opportunity to make your opponent look VERY silly if it becomes clear that, mid-conversation, they don't know about Slovenia and they need to crack open a book or map lol.

[@bazooka712]

Wtf is a Slovenia 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@manipulatortrash]

@@SparklesBB thats fair, but i guess it doesn't help that, like you said, pessimism is probably driving this sort of rhetoric and there is, unfortunately, a lot of things to look at and be pessimistic about these days on a first look level. I agree that its better to assume some bare minimum of knowledge, it makes more sense to do so. I just don't think its all that surprising this sort of stuff is being said due to the times we live in.

[@itsjustthemo]

Don't tell Hakim that the so-called annexation of Crimea was also illegal

[@funki4896]

Hakim and other tankies taught me that the real ruler of humanity who secretely pulls the strings is... ... Victoria Nuland 😂

[@fabianelsen3716]

They genuinely use Nuland the same way COVID conspiracy theorists use Fauci. By just throwing the name around without making an actual argument. 99% of them haven't even heard the entire phone call just like 99% of people ranting about Fauci, have never listened to a single statement he made.

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

​@@fabianelsen3716I think the funniest thing is when conspiracy theorists use people who have nothing to do with their country. Many of our vaccine conspiracy theorists in England kept bringing up Fauci when its Witty and his board that do the things Fauci does in the US 😂.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@fabianelsen3716 Okay but Nuland was just reacting to what happened around her, Fauci did technically kickstart the events by accident and then used his connections to get a bunch of people to say nothing happened. Like knocking down a vase and then burning down the entire house to cover it up, he could have just been honest from the start and most people would have understood. Probably wouldn't even have to resign.

[@materg7505]

@@mallardofmodernia8092 We live in such a global trade economy that even crackpot’s import their theories.

[@Mihailo_Slavutsky]

@@funki4896 🍪🍪🍪

[@irusia1574]

As Ukrainian, there's no words to express how grateful we are for what you are doing out here. Thank you for your sanity and support 💞🙏

[@ravenmusic6392]

0:17 When I heard the title of the video I literally did a large scale eye roll in the Middle of a Cafe and got a couple strange looks, it's so unbelievably predictable. Like, I'm very much opposed to American foreign policy in Iraq, Israeli atrocities in Gaza and Saudi operations in Yemen, but they make is SO fucking hard not to become a neocon. It's like Imperialism isn't complicated, and you're an enabler for saying Gaza is complex, but Russia and Ukraine isn't as simple as a dying Empire trying to crush a sovereign country (it is)

[@SparklesBB]

Sorry, this comment has WAY too much nuance and it's gonna make a Tankie's eyes glaze over if they try to read it.

[@maddyleaf]

"How does he get away with this" Because I can guarantee you, that not a single person who watches Hakims content, has ever read anything other than a twitter post in their entire life.

[@TitonBacon]

The Soviet Union was considered equally bad for Ukrainians and for many other countries of the former USSR because when the Second World War ended, the Soviets did not change and did not leave. They continued repression, murder, and the destruction of culture (Russification) for another 45 years... It is clear that they are not the same, but the question is who did more damage to these countries?

[@arskakarva7474]

Intent and goals do matter, and in that regard the natsocs were clearly worse. They just never got the chance to carry out their plans. However: 1) being better than the natsocs is literally not an achievement because they're the absolute worst, 2) that Soviet occupation and tyranny technically saved Eastern Europe from natsoc goals in no way exonorates the Soviet Union from its occupations and tyranny OR excuses how the Soviet Union literally helping natsocs start WW2 and helped them keep it going until Barbarossa.

[@ayararesara6253]

On the other hand, there were such people as Shelest. It really depends on the decade.

[@ІлляВетров-й2д]

Not fan of USSR, but literally all the best Ukrainian movies (with three exceptions) were made in USSR...

[@БорисФотев-о8щ]

Those evil commies repressed everyone with schools, hispitals, theatres, houses and all for free. Destroyed economy by building power plants, industry. What a cruelty, doing all of that when they could've sell it for huge price and put peoe in dept for decades.

[@manekrit2417]

Bro Ukraine was integral part of USSR, perhaps one of main beneficiaries of USSR. People be larpping anti soviet BS all day long but Soviet Union doubled amount of Ukrainians and made Ukraine 5th economy of Europe. Talk to anybody older 50 in Ukraine instead of consuming western BS

[@promcheg]

16:47 Hostile to Russia: This is the BS. At this time, there was a strong movement in NATO to create ties to the Russian military. Officer exchange programs and conferences were not that uncommon. I read a US Army officer's story about Russians in the Pentagon cantine. Even the invasion of Serbia was conducted jointly, which almost caused the war because Russians were highly hostile to NATO soldiers. P.S. I remember in the '90 when American food donations saved us from starvation. I also remember when local politicians sold humanitarian help on the market. Ok, it was not in Russia; it was in Uzbekistan, but I heard the same happening in every other ex-soviet Republic.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Funnily enough Russia has been a signatory to THE SAME PFP Program that hakim mentions Ukraine joining. They signed in 1997 and up to 2004 or so did try out some of the cooperation opportunities, but it did not fit their style of military leadership (too much trust to low level NCOs to lead the troops ina ctual combat and no role for the Zillion + Generals watching like guard dogs over everybody due to low trust in and possibly low trustworthyness of their conscripts, so the membership lead to nothing, whilst most East Block Nations totally reformed their military (Ukraine has lagged a bit behind as they had a bit bumpier a transition and since 2014 had other priorities with Crimea and then Donbass, but they are on the way to look way more western than former SU part nation... except the preference for mass artillery barrages for whatever reason... some of the 155 mm guns would have needd new barrels in less than 1 week at the front... ) Putin got them suspended in 2008 with the Russian involvement in Georgia that lead to Abkhasia and South Ossetia "becoming independent" (muscovian puppet states) but even he never officially declared it to have ended, so they technically still are partner in the PFP program.

[@Linkman95]

I really want one of these tankies to tell me what Ukraine should have done with Yanakovich. He fled the country! Was the correct response to allow him to have a government in exile? Leading Ukraine from outside the country?

[@sookendestroy1]

Oh my god i just realized what Hakims video reminds me of, Hakim is Tankie MonsieurZ

[@Ulfhednar90]

On very same beginning... When I heard "illegal", I already knew it would be a headache of Soviet bs

[@marciukspuks5353]

grew up un ussr. ussr was done by the lat 70s. at least in lithuania.

[@BananaMonstaaaa]

I was just in Tallinn, Estonia for a few days. Through only the boilerplate tourist tours, I was made acutely aware how little love Estonians have for the Soviet era. Beautiful city

[@MaytayMaya]

I know a fuckton of Estonians and I've yet to find one who has anything higher than distain for Russia.

[@DavidStrelec-p1h]

It's probably because estonians are indoctrinated to hate Russia due to ultra nationalism and right wing pork western sentiments.

[@black-uh1df]

​@DavidStrelec-p1h oooooor, The USSR eliminated their independence for 45 years, deported their people and tried to Russify many more, combined with all the expected oppression of a dictatorship that never got far past Stalinist repression.

[@jackyboi5824]

I went to Kyiv in April and every supermarket was filled with food and we had electricity Ukraine can provide for itself they just don’t have the ability to produce missiles and shells Ukraine doesn’t need humanitarian aid it’s needs military aid

[@madeline6951]

I mean, to be fair, we did (and sometimes still do) need humanitarian aid. When a lot of people migrated from occupied regions or when there's a particularly bad shelling and people die or lose their homes - yeah humanitarian aid is welcome. But to pretend that this is the main thing and only priority is just insane. Military aid literally prevents more people from needing humanitarian aid, because we get killed and unhoused less. Also, after a round of particularly bad shelling our electricity situation is not great, but again that's far from the main problem we have rn.

[@lentinant]

For some people, it migh tbe counter-intuitive that having too much free stuff that you can make on your own is actually harmful for the economy.

[@ayararesara6253]

Well, there was a big shortage of electricity just recently, and temporary shortages of certain products. Situation can deteriorate. Especially since pensioners are already living on money from EU aid.

[@ІлляВетров-й2д]

As a Ukrainian I must tell you that judging the whole situation in Ukraine based on our capital is very, very dumb. I am being offensive on purpose here, sorry not sorry.

[@jackyboi5824]

@@ІлляВетров-й2д I didn’t just go to the capital I went to a few cities

[@oleksandrshymanskyi1129]

As a Ukrainian: thank you very much for this video. It's extremely infuriating to see liars like Hakim deny us agency and claim to speak for our "benefit".

[@arnazaron]

It's strange that Hakim's channel motto is the Islamic Shahada and he has Lenin on the avatar. It is as crazy as having Stalin on icons among Russian commu-othodoxers.

[@colbunkmust]

a lot of Islamic, Pan-Arab, or Ba'athist groups in the Middle East adopted communist programs and identities to form ties to the USSR and other communist governments or paramilitary forces during the Cold War for either political, ideological, or purely pragmatic reasons. Just look at the Hijacking of Lufthansa Fight 181 in 1977. A Palestinian terror cell from the PLFP hijacked a flight from Spain to Germany in order to blackmail the West German government into releasing leaders from the 'Red Army Faction' communist domestic terrorist group.

[@Dial8Transmition]

This guy really called dissolution of the USSR "undemocratic" and "illegal"

[@SRDPS2]

wait? there're democratic in sO-CaLLEd communism?

[@danielfrisk925]

16:36 The european nations literaly starved their military due to not thinking there would be another war in their region. That isn't exactly being hostile to Russia or preparing for war.

[@holz_name]

I was subscripted to Hakim and watched a few of his videos, but after I saw the video How the West Destroyed Ukraine, I just banned him from everything on my computer. I didn't even watched the video. After the first minute of your video, I know I was justified. It's just beyond my tolerance to hearing somebody talking about the most ruthless regime, the Soviet Union, in any positive way. The Soviet Union annexed countries, sent millions of Soviet citizens into slave labor camps, committed genocide on the Ukrainians. At least Nazi Germany collapsed after WW2, but the Soviet Union still existed for another 50 years.

[@SeamusCameron]

I bounced when he released a video trying to paint the DPRK as a legitimate dem soc system. Dude's living in a completely different reality.

[@holz_name]

@@SeamusCameron *DPRK as a legitimate dem soc system* wow... I just watched a couple of videos, mostly to get a different opinion, but ok... I mean DPRK have democratic in it. /s

[@MakooWallinen]

Hakim is literally saying: "When Russia does one thing it is good. When anyone else does it, it is bad." And: "The peoples will only matters when it agrees with me, if it does not, they are all manipulated." Also, notice the implication that Ukraine was invented after the Sovjet. fall.

[@johnhobbes2268]

@minute 42 is so funny when he says, imagine the opposite. Despite having no evidence for his claim there is plenty of evidence how Russia supports European far right groups in Europe an meddles in their election. When an AFD member claimed that there was an attack on him (which turned out either to not true or at least not be more than a prank) Putin himself issued a statement.

[@lourencopedro1]

I hate Hakim so much.

[@yaceya]

BTW, the map shown around 1:11:15 is not the territory Russia controls. It is what Russia claims as it swiftly included it into it's Constitution during the war. Which, again, something a tankie doesn't bother to notice, even though it is an open imperialist aggression. With open genocidal rhetoric and practices.

[@ВладСередюк-ф9ч]

>open genocidal rhetoric bruh what

[@yaceya]

@@ВладСередюк-ф9ч Have you ever heard that denying the fact of some nation's existence and claiming exclusive rights do decide what to do with it is a typical genocidal rhetoric? Which was done multiple times from bottom propagandists to Putin himself. Interestingly, that you didn't even try to deny genocidal practices. Is it too hard to say that things directly described by corresponding international convention don't exist? p.s. Since you were able to write your comment, you can search "Russia’s Eliminationist Rhetoric Against Ukraine: A Collection" and read it.

[@Selflick]

8:56 That's a little oversimplified. The reality here in the Baltic States tends to be that yes, the Soviets and the Nazis were both bad, but the Soviets were cartoonishly evil (for example, the bombing of Narva and the ethnic cleansings done here) to us, while the Nazis are evil; at least they were civil or something like the argument goes. I remember older people telling me stories about WW2, and they'd always mention that when German soldiers arrived at your door, they'd respectfully knock and treat people with respect even when they were being questioned, while when a Red Army soldier came up to your door, they'd walk in without hesitation, be rude, and eat your food, and sometimes they'd even rape the daugthers and the wifes of people or something like that. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Nazis weren't around long enough in the Baltics for the Baltic people to instinctively hate the Nazis more than the Soviets. I've had to write scientific papers on the stuff that both sides did here, and I'd honestly say that our mindset here seems to be more correct than in the west since, let's be honest, the Soviet Union had a similar ideology to the Nazis.

[@mmerald-t5w]

I am german. My father got told once a similar line of argument. In rural Poland! Having time pass and only one of the two regimes still lording over you can warp your perception quite a bit.

[@tomgu2285]

Baltic people being fascist not suprising. Jesus christ.

[@tomgu2285]

The soviets ideology equal rights for everyone??? Nazis ideology Aryan supermensch. Yes very similar.

[@blackoutalt2339]

19:00 Calling Ukraine a western vassel state is so ironic considering what things were like under Yanakovich.

[@PHIL_123]

Oh man, I started watching and how this guy misrepresents facts and just spreads disinformation is just infuriating. I am guilty of hate watching another video of his that I send to some colleague historians: His video on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is just so painful it becomes funny.

[@Jumpman-cb9hw]

Don’t give him more attention. Im honestly surprised his channel hasn’t been banned yet by KZbin.

[@PHIL_123]

@@Jumpman-cb9hw No I switched to giving them a lot of attention. Currently composing lists on Russian assets and "usefull idiots". By replying and seeing the comments gives a lot of insight in which one of the 2 the person is.

[@magpiemagpie6607]

Any legal claims in regards of soviet union to Ukraine is some kind of bad joke. Because Ukraine was occupied buy soviet russia since 1921. And before that by russian empire. We don't have any obligations to the occupants, fиск off.

[@arthur3816]

How is he complaining about VAT its a flat tax. a country reducing the share of their tax revenue coming from VAT is improving how the tax burden is shared. But I guess understanding that would require a minimum of economic understanding and the man is a marxist Leninist at the end of the day.

[@marciukspuks5353]

shock therapy never took away universal childcare and universal healthcare throughout the whole region. in fact what was disruptive the most was immediate implementation of russian mob to criminalize and harass the region. as soon as the head (dekanidze) was executed lithuania s gdp was rising steadily

[@Notsogoodguitarguy]

I haven't read anything about shock therapy, but I can say a few things - first, if it was so horrible, countries had agency to decline it. Some did. Second, the "selling off" of countries wasn't due to shock therapy, it was literally the people of the old system buying off the power that they had lost. In Bulgaria, after the fall of communism, the Communist party (just renamed to the Socialist Party) ruled until 1997 and oversaw all of the selling off. The Bulgarian Constitution was written by the communists just before communism fell. Most of the oligarchs in Bulgaria were either ex-Communists or were proteges of communists, and a surprising amount of them are members or proteges of members of the Bulgarian version of the KGB. Even our longest serving prime minister - Boyko Borisov, was literally the personal driver and bodyguard of Todor Zhivkov - the head of the Communist party for like 30 years before the fall of communism. It's literally the same people, the same structures, the same everything, just with a different coat of paint.

[@BotswanaEnjoyer32]

yes, Czechoslovakia also did shock therapy and that was after their GDP was already declining and GDP has been increasing ever since. They did have higher unemployment but everything has been mostly good and unemployment is very low nowadays.

[@lukebruce5234]

@@Notsogoodguitarguy lol the end of the USSR was entirely directed by the KGB, there were no popular revolutions precisely to loot the country. Why would they decline the very thing that made them wanna destroy the Eastern Bloc.

[@duomechtra1234]

You also got the fact that Europe was MASSIVELY reliantnon cheap russian gas and oil for YEARS to the point where Trump was laughed at when he suggested that was a problem.

[@FrederikJolle]

Mostly Germany that relied on Russian gas with one of factors being them shutting down their nuclear reactors so they needed a replacement for that energy

[@_bee_1088]

Germans laughed at Trump not because they were reliant on russia, but because he was a hypocrite, he praised putin in his previous speeches in US

[@AlphaCentCom]

The conjugation "to the point" doesn't make sense. It should be "and in spite of this."

[@VallornDeathblade]

@@FrederikJolle The history of the 21st century German state has been a series of catastrophic errors by successive governments. France on the other hand at least seems to have its military and energy policies in good shape.

[@50043211]

@@VallornDeathblade And despite these "catastrophic errors" Germany is still standing tall. Ehh, what you gonna do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Golden284-fan]

Comparing the aid from the IMF vs Russia is like comparing getting a bank's high interest loan vs going to a lone shark. Absolutely crazy.

[@manekrit2417]

IMF loan shark too. I remember when Hunter Biden scandal started, IMF blackmailed Ukraine anti corruption agency to sweep it under the rug.

[@DavidStrelec-p1h]

IMF aids are highly conditional and they demand you implement the policies IMF want. Also you must allow foreigners to rob your country.

[@MemeControlyt]

As a Socialist. Even i can't defend the Soviet Union in the 1980's and 1990's. Oppresion was rampant with Yazov and Gorby smiting down any move for autonomy after the economy went to hell and back.

[@Myshjak]

"Despite Bandera statue in Lviv most Ukrainians fought against the nazis" Bandera was under arrest by nazis since july 1941 after proclamation of independence of Ukrainian state and later since January 1942 in Sachsenhausen. During this time OUN (with it's armed wing UPA/UIA) fought against nazis. In late 1944 nazis freed Bandera and some other leaders of OUN in hope of negotiations of alliance but they on the lead of Bandera refused.

[@deprobot]

From Estonia. In general, we don't see commies and nazis as equally bad, we see commies as way worse. Nothing really to do with the ideologies, you mainly hear stories from old people about how when the Russian soldiers came, they raped and pillaged and took a shit between the covers of every book you had (yeah). And when the German soldiers came to your village, they asked politely if they could enter your house or get some water, took their shoes off before coming in etc. That and well, only one of these guys occupied us for 50 years, deported a nice chunk of our best and brightest to Siberia and tried to root out our language and culture. Hell yeah I'm voting for nationalists after all that.

[@deprobot]

Also, just to add to the hunger plan thing - haven't reasearched it but I was under the impression that Hitler's plan for Estonian people was to incorporate us to the population of the Reich, as we looked sufficiently Nordic/Germanic or whatever (aboriginal people in Baltic states are not really slavs, Estonians are finnic, Latvians and Lithuanians are balts, which is also a whole separate thing).

[@Kongongongg]

lol nazi apologists

[@rafflesmaos]

@@Kongongongg It's called basic facts. Both were bad, but one was way worse.

[@Kongongongg]

@@rafflesmaos nah. Communists are good people who save ungrateful people of Europe from evil of nazi

[@arskakarva7474]

@@deprobot The Hunger Plan was a specific set of policies crafted by Herbert Backe (SS member and Reichsminister of agriculture) to completely deprive occupied Eastern Europe of foodstuffs to ensure more food is available to the Germans. Backe's and the natsocs train of logic was that as racial enemies that were non-contributing to the war effort and because of the general food shortage in German-controlled Europe it was in Germany's interest to not feed them (this is where the term useless eaters comes from). The Hunger Plan had primacy for about a year because by 1942 the labor shortage in Germany had grown so dire that mass use of forced laborers from occupied Eastern Europe was a higher priority than trying to cope with the food shortage. Worth noting that Backe and Himmler never gave up trying to push for these policies, which caused quite a lot of infighting between them and people in charge of war production like Sauckel and Speer. The Hunger Plan was a smaller part of Generalplan Ost, which was the wider planned policy of ethnic cleansing on a scale never seen before or since on the planet, that was supposed to pave the way to turning Eastern Europe into Germany's colonial land, like North America had been for the US and Siberia had been for Russia. Parts of the population that could "racially salvaged" would be Germanized, others used as forced laborers for the imagined chain of German agricultural settlements, and others killed or deported (which probably would have ended in them being killed anyway) to clear the land for German colonization. In case of Estonians, half of them would have been used as forced laborers or Germanized, the other half would have been killed or deported.

[@sdrkrm]

I'd suggest that you call his false statements a lie, because it's not just false, but as you can easily go and check the facts in Wiki all his false statements is a blunt lie.

[@someonesuspicious4444]

1st President of Ukraine - Kravchuk, communist party member (head of Ukrainian SSR communist party) 2nd President of Ukraine - Kuchma, communist party member, an influential one 3rd President of Ukraine - Yushchenko, known as pro Western guy in modern Ukraine, however, he was a former communist party member 4th President of Ukraine - Yanukovich, known as a petty criminal and later a national traitor, however, he was a former communist party member temp acting President of Ukraine - Turchinov, known as a Baptist who had to lead Ukrainian military during 2014 invasion, however, he was a former communist party member 5th President of Ukraine - Poroshenko, known as a "chocolate king", an oligarch that owns huge confectionery corporation, gifted to him by his father, who was a former communist party member 5th President of Ukraine - Zelenskyi, known by... Many nicknames. Because as a showman and a comedian he was not shy to nickname influential politicians left and right for more than a decade. Well, you probably can tell how it's gonna be. Yes, his father was also a communist party member. Although he was a rather low ranking member, one of those who got into party just to get access to decent job (in many cases you couldn't do that if you were not in the party). Now tell me what you think of this. Especially in the context of "teh west ruining the Ukraine".

[@someonesuspicious4444]

1st (and probably last) President of Belarus - Lukashenko, communist party member.

[@someonesuspicious4444]

1st President of Russia - Yeltsyn, communist party member, influential one. Last and permanent President of Russia - Putin, communist party member and a KGB.

[@someonesuspicious4444]

1st President of Kazakhstan - Nazarbayev, communist party member and a crazy gramps 2nd President of Kazakhstan - Tokaev, communist party member

[@topchiypaul]

Of course the most pro-soviet allocated persons are the ones who never actually lived in the ussr. Also you brother said that almost nobody in Ukraine nowadays supports so called nazies (who are actually just typical far-right political parties, affiliated with Svoboda or Azov regiment) but after the war started the number of supporters raised dramatically. There were always like rusophobic forces in Ukraine, as well as rusophilic forces, the first ones told “Russia is bad because they want to attack and capture us” and the other side was like: “no we need to be friends with Russia because we have so many economic ties and mutual market”. Russia attacked us and now everyone is like: “you know those first guys were actually right, Russia is actually pretty damn bad”. And Stephen Bandera is our symbol of Ukrainian sovereignty, a complex historical figure but it still exists. He was always popular in the west, where banderoviets (army of Bandera) existed historically, but now the more Russia bombs some area, the more banderoviets just simply appear there. I’m from Kharkiv city and it was always quite rusophilic, we’ve had a huge barabashova market with everything you may imagine, and all of the entrepreneurs always had a huge country nearby where they might sell the goods, they made money with Russia and were happy. Now literally everyone hates Russia here so much because Russia is the only reason why our life quality dropped so much, we are literally getting bombed and everyone in my city is involved, it is nothing like before: politics is something about presidents, laws and prime ministers in their offices. Our politics now is objective: survive

[@mcmeissner9394]

Thanks for this! Super useful to help discussions/ debate with family. This issue is sooo frustrating sometimes but soooo important.

[@Blackerer]

Hang on a second at 22:15 he talks about how new NATO countries have "total reliance on its productive centers mostly US", that flies so much in the face of tankies (and other supporters of Russia) argument about the attack on Vrbětice in Czechia, murdering Czech citizens. The normal chain of argument goes: tankie) Orban is cool, because he focuses on the interest of their country, not the US, response) How is it in the interest of a country like Czechia, when Russia conducted an attack on a ammo storage inside Czechia, murdering their own cititzens, and then Russia officially naming Czechia the 2nd worst enemy of Russia after US, tankie) Come on, where is the evidence? response) The agents of GRU named responsible recieved medals from Putin himself, also, according to investigation of Czech intelligence, the owner of one of the companies storing munitions there had a direct contact with Russian intelligence on a recent presidential mission tankie) Regardless, come on, Russia had a good reason, Czech weapon manufacturers were the main sellers of arms into Ukraine, Czechs did it to themselves. (admitting that likely, yeh, Russians did it) So how is it that NATO countries are so dependent on US? Czechs also had Gripens from Sweden for a long time, bought (not that great) vehicles from Spain etc. Where is Boeing, where is Ratheon, where is Lockheed-Martin? Where is NATO countries being flooded with US small arms, armored vehicles, jets and helicopters?

[@valipunctro]

These guys are no better than 9/11 truthers,or any other conspiritards.

[@JumpingJack-w2l]

37:05 there is missing important part of information. Most of the people joined protests after brutal, unjustified and uncalled for use of force against about 400 protesters Nov 30 2013. Few days after hundred thousands joined hundreds.

[@BeGunNer]

wow i've never heard of Hakim. Now I'm glad. But like goddamn that's just straight up ruSSian propaganda.

[@BuisnessBacca007]

You know it's going to be a great video when he spends 10 minutes debunking the first 20 seconds of nonsense

[@yaceya]

I wonder why Ukrainians would not trust so called defender of the working people?

[@Masterblader158]

The only thing I can say somewhat postively about Hakim is he somehow finds a way to get worse and worse despite how low he started, like I thought him going into a level of NK apologism about well they are doing above even what NK state itself says in the first vid of his I saw was utterly horrible enough but now he treats Ukranians as if they have no will of their own and dance for like a handful of USD. How these kind of Tankies can claim be for the workers and against imperalism while supporting worse exploiting imperialists than the US has been in decades is so wild.

[@cazimir_gruia]

This Hakim guy has no idea what he's talking about. He keeps repeating IMF this, IMF that, as if this explains everything. In Romania, for example, the last IMF program was in 2009, when the country was badly hit by the global financial crisis. The loan from IMF was €12.95 billion. Romania successfully completed the IMF program in 2011, when the loan was repaid, and has not required another IMF bailout loan since then. Nobody gives a sh*t about the IMF today in Romania, it's just a footnote in the economic history of the country. But what everybody appreciates is that the EU membership was crucial for the country's development and resilience. Since its accession into the EU, Romania's GDP per capita has grown by 125%, notwithstanding the economic shocks from the global crisis and the pandemic. This is why EU membership is so important for the countries in Central and Eastern Europe: it opens great opportunities for recovering serious developmental gaps.

[@TypausZuendorf]

Honestly the reason why most people from the USSR did happily flee from communism is simple. For them it only ever meant a tax rate at around 70-80% and some somewhat functioning bare bones social support and the right to apply for a Lada in 10 years time. While at the same time the high an mighty all lived like fat Capitalist's pigs, building castles with stolen money and feasting on the food stolen from hungry family's. Imagine If someone had actually tried even ONCE to do this thing called Communism with honestly and kindness instead of lies and violence. Because if they had, most people that actually lived under it would not be so eager to rid themselves of it.

[@volvogoodtruck1117]

Well, Soviet and Nazis are kind of equally bad. Everybody talks and knows about the holocaust and hate for jews, but people rarely know or talk about the suppression, torture and deportation by soviets. Baltics really really dislike the Russians/Soviets (we had Russian and russification before that for like ca 200 years, common folk were basically slaves tied to their land), which is why sometimes it might seem that we are somehow more "national and alt-right" (whatever-leaning). It is not. But yeah, many Baltics saw Germans as liberators and much of the younger population males mobilized into the SS and Wehrmacht when it was announced (Important note: older male population was mobilized earlier for the Soviets which later resulted in fighting against your own kin). So, these people joined the SS etc to fight against Soviets and not because they were "anti-semitic" or such. It is bogus. Eventually the Latvian/Estonian SS were even tasked in guarding at the Nürnberg trials because they spoke good german and English.

[@t1m0fey_p3dan3]

It`s all because of European and American propaganda that showed soviets as good guys or victims to their people for long time they didn`t want to tell people that their alies are basicly same nazis in another uniform. russia always had this position in global conflicts, little rat that almost lose war while Britain and France do all the job.

[@tomgu2285]

​@@t1m0fey_p3dan3 the Russians defeated the nazis not France who lost after 2 weeks and Britain who would have lost without usa help

[@groundzero5708]

​@@tomgu2285lol russia didnt deafeated germany alone .

[@DavidStrelec-p1h]

The Baltic resistance did assist the nazis in murdering hundreds of thousands of Jews. Yes they were pro nazis.

[@hurremhightower]

the baltics were without a question antisemitic let’s not forget the g3nocide commited against the jewish community and finland also joined the n4zis to go against the soviets but didn’t send their jewish community to death and unlike the baltics, finns didn’t actually like h*tler

[@cry2love]

"NATO has pursued Ukraine aggressively", since the first time Ukraine wanted to join nato in 2002 (as well as russia)? 🤣 Can anyone name any other country NATO aggressively pursued?

[@volodymyrsukhyna5932]

Cheers from Kyiv. Thank you for taking stand against BS, I've laughed for the whole video. If you ever come by all beers on me.

[@PointyHairedJedi]

Even if you knew absolutely nothing about any of it, the sheer amount of weasel-wording going on in the Hakim video is just the giantest red flag (which presumably has a little hammer and sickle somewhere in the corner of it).

[@Freekymoho]

The way Hakim handles historic dates is like he's basically real-time remixing history. Ukranians out here getting mad about something that wont happen for another decade, or celebrating a policy that was discontinued the year prior

[@Mihailo_Slavutsky]

9:15 Bandera worked with the Germans against common enemies such as the Soviet Union and Poland. He did not submit to Hitler and his goal was to create an independent state of Ukraine. For this, the Germans locked him in a concentration camp. To equate Bandera with a Nazi is historically incorrect.

[@madeline6951]

this 👏 some of his forces even abandoned him for it, and actually left to join the Nazis

[@ayararesara6253]

OUN-B fought against germans as well.

[@konstantinkelekhsaev302]

Concentration Camp ?? Historically incorrect ? "From July 1941, Bandera was under house arrest in Berlin. At the end of the year he was sent to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where he was imprisoned in a cell block for special prisoners - the so-called Zellenbau, which was isolated from the rest of the camp. There, he had a tworoom cell with a guest room, a bedroom furnished like a normal apartment and ate his meals in the SS dining room. What is more, he did not have to wear the prisoner’s garb, nor was he forced to work. He was allowed to contact his wife and communicate with the outside world. Bandera tried to reach an agreement with the Germans on their support for Ukrainian independence aspirations. In December 1941, he wrote to Alfred Rosenberg, the Reich Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories - in his letter, he offered cooperation and stated that Ukrainian nationalists were predisposed to help the Nazis because they had been ‘formed in a spirit similar to National Socialist ideas’. Many accounts say that young Ukrainian nationalists were fascinated by fascism, going as far as to admire Mussolini and Hitler. The organisation was partially funded by Nazi Germany and its members carried out espionage missions for the Nazis. At a congress of Ukrainian nationalists, held in Krakow in April 1941, the attendees officially adopted numerous fascist principles, symbols and rituals. These included the principle of ‘One nation, one party, one leader’, the black-and-red flag symbolising blood and soil, and the fascist salute, which became a greeting. In addition to that, both the ideology and the actions of OUN included some anti-Semitic themes."

[@Mihailo_Slavutsky]

@@konstantinkelekhsaev302 So you are one of those who claim that concentration camps for high-ranking officials are not concentration camps? I see. Cope harder. And what source is telling you about the notes? What evidence and what does it change? What organization are we talking about and what evidence is there about it? You know that after Bandera's arrest, the organization split into collaborators and the OUN? And most importantly - why did the Nuremberg Tribunal not recognize either Bandera or the OUN as Nazis? As for the red and black flag - it has existed since the Cossack Sich, it can be found in Repin's painting "Cossacks Write a Letter to the Turkish Sultan." This is the military flag of Ukraine, this is the flag of Ukraine "covered in blood." A lot of narrative, little evidence. Smells like low-grade propaganda. I can assume that it was written by Soviet fascists.

[@Mihailo_Slavutsky]

@@konstantinkelekhsaev302 Why Germans killed both of his brothers?

[@crow-dont-know]

Hakim is such a snake. Smart guy, but a total snake.