How Drew Learned to Throw Far | His Secret to Looking Good

[@olongjohnson3118]

Me: "Finally, the secret that I need!" Drew: "Do what your body does naturally." What my body does naturally: 💩

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You get the pin of glory

[@pipertripp]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf and well deserved at that.

[@ryansuter4424]

😂

[@jasonmansir9204]

Drew is honestly so underrated in his wisdom. Every time I've seen him in an interview like this, he just spits out facts and hard truths. It may be hard to hear some times for some people, but it needs to be said

[@BillFromAZ]

Reminds me of a Nate Sexton video where he was discussing grips and said "this is my hand. Your hand is different". Great point....our bodies and abilities are different and we need to work with what we have. I'm 6'2", 62 years old, and have scoliosis. I may never throw more than 280....but I'm happy with that.

[@mategajdacs]

Good for you sir, I would be happy to reach that distance at your age. God bless you.

[@BillFromAZ]

@@mategajdacs Thanks....I've been playing since Jan 2019 and was a forehand player. The club I am part of called me Wild Bill due to never knowing where my backhand throw would go...usually behind me. For a long time, I was trying to get more distance, but I realized the distance I have is good....I just need more consistency and accuracy...so that's what I'm working on. My backhand distance with a 9 speed is 245, same disc forehand is 280 as measured in a flat field with a range finder. Maybe I can get more distance when I get more consistent....but I don't care. 250 twice gets me to the basket on a 500 foot hole. Add the putt, and it's par.....good enough for me.

[@professorb3744]

I agree with Drew’s philosophy to a point. Really the truth is that everyone copies everything from everyone else. Everyone may have aspects of style that works for their own body and everyone is also borrowing from those that came before them. The way we learn is through knowledge passed down to us from those who came before. We aren’t born with instinctual disc golf skills. Physics and our body mechanics do shape how we throw based on our bodies design as bi-pedal humans but we all borrow from everyone else. This is true in all aspects of life. Also: Is Ricky really 6’6’’? I don’t believe it

[@bold2013]

I like the premise. Keep pushing your natural swing for the best results instead of copying another’s. However it’s tough to know if you are building the right foundation because it will take years and thousands of throws to find out. Most people just want that instant feedback.

[@micah_lee]

Filming yourself throw and matching yourself up to generally good form will get you started. Once you get that generally good form and just start throwing tons, your form will morph into the best form for whatever you are playing. Drews form just morphed into throwing really hard. Now after he throws really hard he can work on touch. Also good backhand form means you have the ability for both distance and touch imo. Just gotta practice both of those things

[@baldjustice393]

I very much appreciate these types of videos! I mean let's be honest not many people truly get to sit down with one of the top tier pro's and have a conversation.... Let alone, get to ask them what it's like to be them, or to tour for a living, things like that! It's another aspect of DISCGOLF witch I know I, myself really enjoy the videos and I'm sure tons of other everyday men, woman and kids everywhere alike enjoy them as much as I do! Thank you overthrow and Drew Gibson, I really appreciate it and my wife and 9 year old daughter as well!!!

[@charlieb2766]

Cool video nice to see Drew so relaxed. Great point about not being able to fully copy someone's form. Everyone is different and everyone's going to have a different style throw. Thanks guys. Peace out.....

[@chuckcole]

Very good insight and thoughts, especially the segment on copying a pro's form. I have really enjoyed these videos with Drew. Great job Josh and Mikey!!

[@gaprofitt]

The whole point of copying people is they possess a certain level of fundamentals to throw well. There is a right and wrong way to throw a disc.

[@tombrockhoff3081]

Yeah that's the point but it will still take hundred thousand throws to get there. Its not as simple as just copying someones form. If you try to video every throw and change things it will take way longer and will just frustrate you

[@bradleyhcobb]

There are right and wrong WAYS to throw a disc. That's what Drew meant by "range of acceptability." There are generalities we can learn from watching the pros. Here are the kind of movements they're making, and here is roughly the timing they use. And we can look at our own form and make adjustments to match the general look or feel of pro form, but that doesn't mean we're trying to do EXACTLY the same motions.

[@michaelkeel6767]

Great interview... great info... do what you do and try and perfect it.... thanks guys

[@ryankane8836]

Good discussion, thanks! I do 'coaching' in other non-sport fields and this was interesting :D

[@ryansuter4424]

Different and really cool video! Days of Thunder Movie: character Cole was challenged to go as fast as he could for a few laps anyway he wanted to to get the fastest time and then to do it with a few changes. The results were that he was a bit faster and had less tire wear when he did it in the way he was asked to. It is good to embrace your natural instinct. There are times where the natural way you do it is not as effective as it could be or has negative consequences and so therefore you have to get information from other people and watch other people to be more effective.

[@zachm638]

I get what Drew's trying to say about copying, but you do have to have some sort of frame of reference, and I think it helps to try out a lot of different styles/forms to see what works best as a jumping off point, and then you can refine from there.

[@pipertripp]

Good craic. That was an interesting, candid conversation.

[@seymourglass26]

Such an insightful interview where the interviewer was obviously part of the process, but clearly stayed out of the way of the expert. This went by so fast.

[@tylerpohler3271]

If we had a disc golf tee pad with force plates under it, I guarantee the amount of dynamicly applied pressure (applying force to the ground to receive an equal and opposite force the body can sequence into rotational energy) that Drew creates could be up to 7-8 times higher than the recreational disc golfer, He mentions Dustin Johnson, Dustin Johnson has consistently had the top 10 highest dynamically applied pressure in his typical "off the tee" shots for the last 5-10 years I believe. In traditional golf And I assume is probably extremely similar in disc golf, the recreational golfer will actually apply less dynamically applied pressure at release than he or she would if they were just normally standing up, I think it's also why lots of people find it much easier to sequence the x step with a crow hop, because when you hop it is much easier to apply force to the ground

[@Linky609]

Great stuff, there's certainly form do's/donts but everyone is going to a little different because of size/mobility/levers etc. Rather than trying to copy someone's form exactly apply the principles in a way that your body feels comfortable.

[@rosscollier5696]

this just shows how humans are born innately as communal beings which are more efficient and possess more longevity when working together (in regards to Drews beautiful ideals towards caddying).

[@JoshuaFritz]

Great interview.

[@KnKPanda]

Agreed. Same way I would coach in bowling 👍🏻 After fundamentals, don’t copy anyones style to get better. Everyone is their own style whether you like it or not 👌🏻

[@alwolschleger7242]

I like Drew's philosophy on this. Some of the great ball golfers from back in the time before we had easy ways to record our performance had swings that today would be called terrible or unworkable, but they'd worked out for themselves what worked for them and swatted the hell out of the ball. I am firmly convinced that a lot of disc golfers are doing themselves a huge disservice by trying to copy Drew or Paul or James or Ricky or Simon rather than learning how this input from their body results in that output from the disc. Heck, this summer I messed up my elbow pretty good and didn't play for over a month. During that time I was watching form videos and recordings of myself from field work. When I started playing again, my game had gone straight to hell. It took me another month, turning all of that crap off, not recording myself, just going to the park and throwing discs, to figure it out. Beware the tale of Ian Baker-Finch. He was hitting his stride right as video was getting more accessible in the '90s and started messing with his swing. He basically destroyed his golf career by trying to use video to perfect what was a very workable swing, and what the tinkering didn't do the mental game did. Like Drew says, you can't copy.

[@TheGiraffehead]

I think there is a danger in Drew's words here. He learned his own way and it got him to the top. That is the journey of the very few. His examples are all the best of the best, again the very few. These are not good representations of how we can get better and enjoy the game more. But there is a balance in learning from others. I know for myself I had plateaued in my ability to play and the only way I thought I could throw farther was to throw harder-that is not a good place to be. On the other side there are those that are so intent on copying that they aren't listening to what their body does well. I truly believe that the top players are those that stumbled upon something that works extremely well for them through many hours of play (and being gifted physically). But not everyone will stumble on that something by themselves. For the rest of us, we seek it out because it isn't coming, and that is a frustrating place to be. Sure some people may be looking for the golden ticket, but for most of us I think we are looking for what to work on next, to see if it unlocks any potential distance, accuracy, or consistency. And for that I think it is completely acceptable to 'copy' someone else. We just need to remember that the ticket to getting better isn't looking exactly like someone else while throwing, but exploring what others do and allowing what we see to help us think differently about our own swings. And to remember to enjoy the journey.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I agree. Obviously. Haha. Or we wouldn’t have a channel.

[@turgeonphysics]

We're weekend warriors. We have to copy expert form to FEEL what works or doesn't. Then yes, it becomes our own.

[@gaprofitt]

He's a great player for sure but not sure I would use the words at the top. He has 13 wins. Mcbeth and others have 10x that.

[@judasblewit]

Well said.

[@add1cted2l3arning]

Jack Nicklaus won a masters with an “off the shelf” caddie. Let’s be real. Plus you have the other end where Tiger’s old caddie Stevie let the fame get to him and couldn’t stay in his lane

[@corybeavers3897]

Kobe copied Jordan and it seemed to work out well. With that said, Drew's philosophy around working around how your body moves naturally makes sense but there are fundamentals and mechanics that you can learn from the greats. Great stuff!

[@OneHippiesMusings]

Drew just really enjoys all the attention doesn't he? Dude could be positively purring. I hope he has a good 2022, we know how much he doesn't want a 9-5.

[@Vanbulance89]

Awesome Vid! Love the Drew content.

[@rood5681]

Long story short: get gud. Got it.

[@chadrickdoerksen2381]

Absolutely phenomenal content Over Throw. It would be neat to see a video with you and slingshot disc golf together. My two favorite disc golf form channels. I have been playing disc golf from 3 years and only the last 2 weeks is when I finally got it figured out that it was so important to time the extension and the front foot. I went from my 3 years of 320 feet to 370 instantly and gaining distance fast now.

[@_Joy_Unleashed]

Josh, here we are again highlighting the fact that pressure against manufacturers needs to be applied on all fronts if the $ is ever going to match the talent they ride for mega profits.

[@JoshJackson13]

Hey Josh I want to say sorry for what I said I had only seen one of your videos at that time and got the wrong impression of you. You are good hearted person smart and funny. You do us joshes proud

[@prestondier7046]

I’ll say this. You’re not going to be successful copying others. However, when in competition and you challenge another whom you respect, you’ll learn something that day in your mental game on how to compete, what that “next level” of competition is all about.

[@calebtennison9353]

“Genetics. 🧬” Cut, next video.

[@videosverigenu4621]

It's all in the beard !

[@frankshields9666]

Great interview. Practice. Period. I just maybe suggest panning back and forth to see both talking. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Thanks for the media

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We had two cameras set up but the other died.

[@frankshields9666]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf that’s where the battery life question came in. 😂. Keep up the great work.

[@reeganvancamp6707]

WHAT?!?! MUSIC ED! That's crazy, I'm almost done with my music Ed program. One more year! 🤣

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Hope you survive. Lol

[@tonyoliva8488]

Love u guys love drew

[@dr05guitar]

I think sometimes you start out basically mimicking someone's style, at least to a point, and then it becomes your own, but in a different way, either because you like how they do it, you think their style is effective and want to try it yourself, etc...for instance I've tried to model my putting style some after Ricky's, but if I film myself putting, I definitely look different than how Ricky does it. It's more of a basic mold and then your body does it's best interpretation of that thing, which if you do it long enough, should become your own thing, but it may not look like the person you started out imitating.

[@Joecuzzi]

Steve Rico and Paul Mcbeth have almost the exact same putt but I think Paul copied Rico. Cole Redaland said he just tried to copy Drews drive and it is very close.

[@stephen53370]

I'm going to disagree with Drew a little bit about copying people's form. Maybe it's not good for pros who are already Pros to try to change their form by copying someone, but for us amateurs who are trying to get better and trying to learn basic form I think copying pros is a great idea.

[@jaxchambers7652]

Be yourself every one else is tacking!!! Disc Goff don't have a lot of fans, we have a lots of players.

[@remmer3380]

"Copy" probably isn't the right word. "Emulate" seems more accurate. Pros are pros because they're doing something right... so watch what they're doing, and EMULATE it to the best of your ability, then twist it and make it work for you.

[@4dwyn]

I'm getting Marco Pierre White Knorr vibes. "You can use mushrooms or not. It's YOUR recipe"

[@cleanrectum]

Drew said it - Don't copy. Your body, your form, your success. And J... what's with with all the "yeah" "right" in the background 😅

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yeah. I know right?

[@cleanrectum]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Right up the alley of yeah! And hey, Drew needs a bit of confirmation. Love u guys, the dynamic duo that makes my disc fly farther, smoother and more effortlessly. Yeah that’s right. ❤️

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@cleanrectum oh yeah

[@cleanrectum]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thanks, you’re really a cool aid

[@chainraiderdiscgolf]

"Making McBeth money." I'm hoping that we will see that money with people like Drew real soon...., since this sport is growing rapidly.

[@micah_lee]

I just came here for how to look as good as him

[@nathanwilson7929]

Ironically i throw and putt very similar like Drew naturally.

[@heythatjusthappened]

“Want the secret to huge distance and amazing for?” JUST FIGURE IT OUT

[@seabas22]

Tiger Woods never owned his own swing. People can't copy it with success because Tiger was a hell of an athlete to make his flawed swing work.

[@andreasericsson6989]

Best "figure out how to putt" video I've ever seen is the one where Jonathan from Latitude64 kinda figures out his putt. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJXFe3WZppdketE

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

This is the best putting video of all time in my opinion

[@drewg3087]

I get cringe arrogant vibes from Drew the last year. Such a shame. Would be cool if he just stayed real.

[@Padillavic]

True but that doesn’t mean you can’t be good enough to be a successful pro while trying to emulate someone else’s game. Kobe Bryant was pretty successful at trying to play like Mike

[@JustBBlunt]

Time to start throwing max weight putters uphill into a headwind all day, heh.

[@davidwilson2959]

I am a noobie player and a senior. Have been practicing putting like a mad man for the past few months with slow but gradual improvement. Problem is I live in the Great White North (Canada) and my basement only allows for putts up to 22 feet. I have been thinking that it could be beneficial to have some specific super heavy putters for just this type of practice to help build strength and the fast twich muscle fibres needed for putting. Any thought thought or ideas? I sometime putt 2 putter togethers for added weight.s

[@JustBBlunt]

@@davidwilson2959 I was joking about bombing every 177+ putter I own repeatedly to build Drew like muscles/distance but in your case for limited space indoor putting I would suggest getting a disc dot to focus on aiming at different quadrants of your current basket. A Macro sized or skinny basket is another option. Nets for ball golf and baseball pitching are also a lot cheaper than they were a couple years ago for working on form beyond putting.

[@davidwilson2959]

@@JustBBlunt Thanks for the response. Getting the disc dots is probably a good idea as I do find myself getting lazy at times when it comes to a miantianing a narrow focus and just end up putting at the basket rather than a specific chain lilnk or the middle pole. Yeah I just got a basball pitching net which I have sewt up in the garage. A great way to pracctice my other throws. Cheers

[@ibanezrg7421]

$300,000.. A YEAR? EXCUSE ME? haha, You can afford a caddy. I'll do it for $40,000 a year and you can keep the rest. I'll cook healthy meals, clean and take care of discs, beat up the haters and compliment everything you do. HMU.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haha. $40,000 with travel expenses covered or do you do that yourself? Legit asking

[@ibanezrg7421]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf you've clearly never dirtbagged it before. Not a problem. If disc golfers are making $300,000 (the number he threw out), then paying a caddy isn't an issue. That's quadruple what you'd need to live a very fulfilling day-to-day in an expensive state. Even making $80k puts you well above a MASSIVE chunk of the population. You're caught up in the limelight of being around a pro if you think you can wrap any sort of justification around the statements he made during this interview.

[@ibanezrg7421]

Side note: I effing love Drew Gibson and can't wait for him to string together a wonder-season and pull in the recognition he deserves.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

My statement wasn’t snarky in the slightest which I think it might have come across as. I was legitimately asking you if it was a deal breaker for you to have to cover your own travel expenses at $40k a year. It was a curiosity question which had nothing to do with the figures he threw out.

[@davidwilson2959]

Drews philosophy reminds me of my brother. He is a natural athlete and when I onced talked to him about taking tennis lessons he said "if you need to take lessons you shouldn't be playing. Me on the otherhand,n ot being such a natural appreciate a good coach but no matter how much coaching I get my brother will still whip my butt.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I would disagree with the not taking lessons. But the good athletes need way less information. Plus, never heard a pro player say they never took a lesson.

[@davidwilson2959]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Not saying lessons are bad. Just saying some people can go a lot further than others on pure natural talent. I would suggest that for one to reach their greatest level of achievement they need 3 things - Natural talent, good coaching and passion to succeed.

[@discgolfwes]

All the "yeah"s in the background are very distracting

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s me. Sorry

[@discgolfwes]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf other than that the content is great!

[@22GARNET22]

The more I work on my form the more I think it's similar to learning any other skill. I've been going through the same process learning disc dyeing, grafitti, game design, etc. You start off by copying, imitating, and gathering knowledge/data. You slowly synthesize all of that into something that is your own, based on what works and doesn't work for you. Then you can experiment and tweak it over time to be more X or more Y. Oftentimes, even the most expert at something, will flip flop between step 2 and 3. I don't think the process ever really stops until someone is satisfied with where they are at. The more complex and specific the skill is, the longer it takes, and most physical actions are relatively complex when you're looking for high efficieny and repeatability.

[@tombrockhoff3081]

I did the same thing lol

[@donnavon68]

Dale Jr never won a Cup championship (although he did win 2 Busch series championships). 😜

[@buddharmt]

Drew chillin like he needs a harem

[@stitch438]

Wow, this is hard to listen to. Not exactly sure on what he's saying @ 1:48 but it sounds like he thinks he needs to pay someone $10k a week to take off work and caddy for him. So disc golf needs caddie's that make $500,000 a year? And of course he'll win if he has this magical caddy. I understand drew wants to make a lot of money, most do, but it sounds like his concepts that involve money are pretty far off. First step in making a lot of money is perform, I see drew has won only 2 notable tournaments in his lifetime. It's kind of hard to take someone seriously that is constantly talking about making more money but their performance doesn't support it. Now if drew were winning and saying there should be more money in the game it would be a little different; but when one of the guy's that is performing/winning is making a million a year, it basically kills drew argument. The money is there, you just need to be worth it to receive it. And since drew just signed this lifetime, multi-million dollar deal, we should be seeing this $10k a week caddy and drew winning a lot more in 2022, right? Career events played: 218; Career wins: 13; Career A-tier wins: 2 This is as black & white as it gets.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

He’s saying that the caddy he uses for USDGC makes $200k a year at his day job so it is unrealistic for him (his caddy) to leave his day job to caddy full time. Drew doesn’t make enough to support the caddy he likes

[@discgolflife]

Drew and I should toss a round at shady or Rocklin!!! I'd love to take his money lol jkd it'd be fun!!!

[@chainraiderdiscgolf]

Hey Drew, Dale Jr has NEVER won a NASCAR championship....lol!! His father has, but not Dale Jr.

[@HammerFitness1]

Drew seems super awkward 😂

[@davidwilson2959]

A pet peeve of mine - So many people talk about muscle memory but the truth is muscle doesn't have memory. When we talk about building muscle memory we are really talking about building or sensitizing neuropathways.

[@andruboine]

Technically there is but it's not used in the right way muscle fibers have a natural state as they get stretched it's why it's easier to lift heavy take a hiatus and get back to lifting heavy. But it's a figure of speech so both of us are looking way to into it.

[@shiftonephoto]

That's really a pointless battle to take on. You have memories "built neuropathways" of how your muscles have worked in succession to achieve a specific outcome. It's the same thing just an easier way to say it. I highly doubt anyone thinks their muscles have a brain of their own to remember things. While they might not even fully understand neurology they'll know if they don't think about anything and go to throw a disc, their body will do something it remembers doing when you think "throw the disc flat and hard".

[@davidwilson2959]

@@shiftonephoto Certainly not looking for a battle. Just coming at it from a neurophysiological perspective. Bottom line is that muscles (other than the heart muscle) cannot doing anything on their own. They can only do what the nerves tell them to do.Once the neuropathys become super sensitized the act of throwing a disc can certanly take place without cognitive involvement, but it is still the neuropathways that initate the throw but at a subconscious level. If you doubt this try making a paralyzed person's muscle do something. Again not looking for a battle. Had fun throwing today and threw some of my longest throws thanks to coaching videos by OTDG.

[@shiftonephoto]

@@davidwilson2959 it's literally a figure of a speach my guy

[@davidwilson2959]

@@shiftonephoto No argument. As I first stated it is just a pet peeve I have. I also have it with other figutes of speach that are incorrect. Kind of like the the battle over the term "reachback" and wether or not it is an appropriate term to use as one does not actually reach back with the disc. Anyway enjoy your day and the great sport of disc golf. My wife and I are retired which enables us to get out most days in the early morning when we have the whole course to ourselves.

[@DysenteryGary]

Could he be more awkward??? Thought I was being punked!

[@HiltonSport]

Confusing and not helpful.

[@discblaster9210]

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[@ericshepherd5788]

Awesome video love the content I always do my own thing people always get mad because they can't control me and that's why I'm a loner but I'm happy with myself and who I am 🥏🥏🥏