'He Was A Loser': What 'Kennedy's Avenger' Uncovers About Jack Ruby

[@martinbrodie8507]

I watched it live with my grandparents when I was 5 years old and still remember it.

[@doneestoner9945]

Me too.

[@ljimlewis]

I had just left. My kid sister saw it. She screamed!

[@CarlosGomez-ps5bv]

oh cool

[@BeegirlsHoneyHouse]

Why is our judicial system so excruciatingly slow now⁉️

[@peterblood50]

They could go a lot faster but it takes time to make sure all of the rights of the accused are protected.

[@johnphantom]

It is about as likely that Oswald pulled those shots off as Epstein hanging himself.

[@lolodee3528]

@@johnphantom when the coverup comes from the top-where can you go?

[@johnphantom]

@@lolodee3528 Are you a musician? Write a song, it'll be a hit with that hook.

[@Hartleymolly]

well um, because they killed him…they also created Manson to be fair…

[@thechariotcard]

When will the Kennedy files be released? I’ve been waiting the majority of my life. It’s time they are given up…

[@toughtittypdiddy4634]

The majority of the files were released by trump in 2018 minus names, addresses etc etc

[@hazelanderson1479]

@@toughtittypdiddy4634 Don’t give DJT the credit for that. Those documents were required to be released from an order given twenty-five years previously. Even so, they were heavily redacted, and not much information could be gleaned from them.

[@vernpascal1531]

@@hazelanderson1479 True,but most are unaware that the most important,which were released in the 1990's destroy the official fairytales and those are the Medical Personnel at both Hospitals interviewed for the HSCA in the late 70's, and suppressed till the 90's and the ARRB released them in the mid 90's.

[@TELEVISIONARCHIVES]

Actually, a reporter has seen all of the files because he was working on the JFK Museum. He wasn't allowed to take any photos. The only files you haven't seen are to do with rumors and personal things about the Kennedys. The Kennedy family doesn't want them released.

[@morganbanefort181]

@@TELEVISIONARCHIVES sure lol

[@Emy53]

Jack Ruby was not innocent. He was caught in the act. Just because he died before his 2nd trial doesn't make him less guilty. So many conspiracy theories. We may never learn the truth.

[@ronaldharding3927]

The truth is there for everyone to see. You just have to read it all to put it together. Oswald was an agent/operative of the CIA under the direction of charter member, George H W Bush, also of the CIA. Bush was in Dallas that morning. He left before the hit which he planned, then manufactured an alibi for himself and misdirected the FBI's investigation sending them on a wild goose chase after a man in Houston that afternoon.

[@treeza55]

Go ask Bush Jnr , he seems to have difficulty as to his wherabouts on nov22 1963

[@Bb23199]

Mafia associate

[@paleo704]

@@ronaldharding3927 LMAO. You are a conspiracy nut. Seek help

[@ronaldharding3927]

@@Ventuura that's completely out of left field. I have read dozens of books about Kennedy and the assassination, dozens of books about some of the players (ie books about J Edgar Hoover's involvement with organized crime and their hold over him). Jack had a lot of enemies for a lot of different reasons, but you have laid one out that I've never come across in any of my reading which started in 1968 with Arthur Schlesinger's book, A THOUSAND DAYS.

[@DrumWild]

I can't tell you how many times I have "just happened to stroll over to the police station." Hate it when that happens.

[@jeffn1384]

"if you're an assassin you get there on time". Well he did. Right on time. Either he knew when Oswald was coming out or they waited till Ruby got there.

[@ramonmcgee2240]

The idea that Ruby "would have been on time" in the event of a conspiracy as evidence CONTRADICTING a conspiracy is belied by the fact----and it is a fact---that Oswald was walked out into the crowd of people within minutes of Ruby arriving on the scene. The issue is what delayed Oswald's transport time, and how Ruby managed to arrive at a time that only law enforcement knew was to be the "new" transport time for Oswald? I think that Dan is missing the fact that a simple phone call to Ruby minutes before Oswald was to be transported would have placed Ruby in position at the perfect time.

[@PrimeObserver-1]

Remember, there were no portable phones back then. If he was making a wire transfer at the time, he would have had to receive the call at the facility where he was doing business on their phone.

[@morganbanefort181]

@@PrimeObserver-1 so what's that mean

[@PrimeObserver-1]

@@morganbanefort181 That this is a preposterous scenario.

[@SuperErikRoss]

Actually car phones were invented in like 1946 and maybe ruby could have a walkie talkie or a police band radio in his car I watched a video the signal was Sheriff Lavelle in his white suit standing in the 3rd floor window which just happens to be right across the parking lot from the Western Union Telegram station where Ruby was that day wiith his 2 dogs out in the car.

[@ramonmcgee2240]

@@PrimeObserver-1 Or at a payphone.

[@nothaviniteither]

I definitely wouldn't call him " Kennedy's avenger " more like the janitor who cleans up lose ends...its 2021 you can't possibly still believe in the magic bullet nonsense and Oswald being the lone gunman....please

[@nothaviniteither]

@Tautriadelta so I guess the tape of it ( which shows him hit at least 1 time from the front) doesn't exist huh...

[@nothaviniteither]

@Tautriadelta yes that "tape " or film , don't get in your feelings because I'm not falling for that BS ,look believe whatever floats your boat ...but in that film he is clearly hit from the front, I've seen ppl get hit by me and others so I know what it looks like ..Oswald was unstable and couldn't be trusted, got rid of him, then get rid of who got rid of him everyone was solid, secret kept....its 2021 no one believes the story your telling anymore...

[@nothaviniteither]

@Tautriadelta not even going to read your fake book you wrote..you wasted your time..as I've said believe what you want I'm not falling for that BS...lmao at you...

[@nothaviniteither]

@Tautriadelta ok..you believe what the government told you, then made you believe......so who's the sheep....look do you, I have no problem with ppl that believe what you do, to each his own, your not gonna turn me, let it go, don't be troll for nothing

[@nothaviniteither]

@Tautriadelta just to be clear, you have no idea what I believe, it was never given, I simply stated I don't believe whatever that so-called scenario you wrote..which sounds like what the government told to Americans then and it just kept going till now...but I need to think for myself, your a funny guy/ girl/they etc.etc..

[@waltergodsoe5526]

I'll never forget watching it live on TV, maybe 13 years old. The screaming in my home, the heart break and knowing something special had been destroyed.

[@paulcopland1697]

I was a couple of years younger than you and my family attended Kennedy's funeral. A great tragedy for America.

[@judiesuh6858]

I was 2years old and on the other side of the world..but whenever I studied at school or read about JFK and his presidency. I can't help but wonder had he been alive to complete his terms how would it have changed the world we live in now..😔🙏🧐

[@konradyearwood5845]

@@judiesuh6858 many of the libraries in the developing world that was sponsored by America in the 1960s and 1970s was named The JF Kennedy Library.

[@konradyearwood5845]

@Sue Montgomery Although what he did was horrendous, I would argue that Ruby had more guts than that despicable lump of faeces that you are alluding to. Trump hid behind Barr and his (so-called) office. What is painful and truly baffling is a nation of over 300 million people allowed him perform an act of gross criminality.

[@McLKeith]

I think you mean JFK as the something special that was destroyed. Not Jack Ruby.

[@hughgunn3785]

Oswald was not brought out until Ruby had arrived. Why else was Ruby in the garage if Oswald was meant to have left hours earlier? His key advantage as an assassin was that he could enter the police station as someone familiar to the police. Hence he got the order for the killing despite his small-time status.

[@jimmycricket5366]

What was the point of this book?

[@johncooper7663]

Ruby the super secret assassin. Lol. The placement of his shot was dreadful. Oswald should have lived. A true assassin would have blasted him in the chest multiple times.

[@wiffley]

@@jimmycricket5366 I think the point was to go over the details of the trial itself, but the author seems a bit naive about how things went down in the police station that day. Like taking Ruby's word that the officer didn't see him as gospel truth? Laughable. Ruby was an assassin who knew he was dying of cancer...that's another reason he was chosen to do the hit.

[@t63700]

The way Ruby was allowed to shoot Oswald proves that some of the Dallas police had to have been in on it, especially those who were leading him through the crowd.

[@yoyo-cp6zd]

Yep....they said Jack hung out at the Police Dept. HQ all the time.

[@nebtheweb8885]

He wasn't "allowed" to shoot anyone. It proves absolutely nothing other than we know who pulled the trigger. What is wrong with you people? Is everything a frickin conspiracy to you? Lay off the Alex Jones koolaid.

[@t63700]

@@nebtheweb8885 The next time you watch Ruby shooting Oswald, just look at the expression of the detective in the light suit who’s holding Oswald.

[@vernpascal1531]

@@nebtheweb8885 If you think Ruby and Oswald Acted Alone you are one dishonest SOB!

[@Hartleymolly]

Your aware that this entire “conspiracy” was by the CIA. Our government killed our President….Look up the doc, Louis Joyland West. He visited Ruby. He was a psychiatrist that was contracted for CIA..and a prominent player in the mkultra experiments with mind control….The documents just confirm the right amount of info. It’s unbelievable.

[@thechariotcard]

The news downplayed Ruby’s role. He was involved w the mafia.

[@DMaria216]

Ahh so someone threatened media to be quiet

[@Iamrightyouarewrong]

no he wasn't.

[@MJ-xi1mk]

News media has been involved with everything and one day I hope they will be held accountable!

[@selah71]

@@MJ-xi1mk When news media lies they should be held accountable and not be called "news". Too many people don't know the difference between actual news and talking op heads. Try watching some of your local news stations rather than 24hr news.

[@morganbanefort181]

@@Iamrightyouarewrong yes he was

[@sergiolobato1798]

Dorthy Kilgallen of the whats my line fame was allowed unprecedented access to Rubys arrest notes! She claimed to crack the case and was fornd dead in her apartment and her notes were never found.

[@dblshotz75]

Yup. Word is her notes connected the assassination to Bigfoot.

[@markrobinowitz8473]

@@dblshotz75 Childish response that ignores the facts. Try again.

[@sds5502]

Outfit strikes again

[@lolodee3528]

@Tautriadelta yes, it was given a good old fashioned hoovering.

[@bernardm.3205]

Sergio She was found in her townhouse!

[@davidarbuckle7236]

The biggest shocker is that Ruby and Oswald knew each other. This was a classic mob hit. Ruby wasn't trying to save Jackie from the agony of having to return to Dallas for Oswald's crime. He was trying to shut up the Patsy.

[@paleo704]

No, they didn’t know each other

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@paleo704 Only a dozen or so people who put them together.

[@paleo704]

@@davidarbuckle7236 what conspiracy site are you getting this “new” information from?

[@paleo704]

The Warren report found no evidence they had ever interacted

[@davidarbuckle7236]

@@paleo704 That was your first mistake. The Warren Report had a conclusion before any investigation even occurred. IT was one crazy shooter, killed by another crazy shooter. Case closed, but oops.

[@mariannesouza8326]

While this was happening, I was in the living room at my cousins’ house in Statesboro, GA. I can’t recall if I was looking at the TV 📺 at that moment, but I definitely looked when all the adults gasped in shock. 😧

[@hannabaal150]

I was watching when Oswald was murdered too. I could not believe it was real. It looked staged to me, like they walked Oswald right into Ruby. I was 10 then, what did I know, just what I saw, and that's what it looked like to me.

[@OSHA_Violator1]

Hi from Savannah 👋

[@brittanydiane214]

Interesting topic but his 3 reasons as to why he wasn’t a “hired assassin” don’t hold much weight...

[@gs8099]

I do agree. In fact it is more acceptable to hire a "loser" to carry out something hugely important. He must have also been briefed to say what he said, that he couldn't quite remember, etc, etc. They clearly managed to convince him that his forgetfulness once planted in judge and jury's head will rescue him.

[@Emy53]

I wouldn't waste my money on this book. More conspiracy theories.

[@brittanydiane214]

@@Emy53 exactly lok

[@brittanydiane214]

@@gs8099 yep! The dog in the car??? Someone can pick him up at the pound lol

[@LardGreystoke]

@@Emy53 The book REFUTES conspiracy theories.

[@realtijuana5998]

For a guy who researched an entire book on the subject, Abrams's theories are annoyingly speculative.

[@LardGreystoke]

A theory is by definition speculative.

[@mikev4621]

@@LardGreystoke no, a hunch is

[@maninthemiddle55]

At 6:50 into this video Dan Abrams discounts the notion that Jack Ruby was part of a conspiracy to silence Oswald because Ruby arrived to the basement of the Dallas courthouse only minutes before Oswald was being escorted out of the building. However that very observation could instead be used to support the case that Ruby was in fact part of a conspiracy: once Ruby gained entry (or was let into) the basement a co-conspirator cop could have then gotten word to other another co-conspirator cop escorting Oswald that Ruby was in place so it was time to bring Oswald out and into Ruby's path. This proposal is not at all far fetched: Jack Ruby was friendly with many Dallas cops because they would frequent his Carousel Club.

[@theblakex]

That's exactly what happened. Ruby was notified at the precise moment to show up and shoot Oswald. There was no need to get there early and wait around.

[@hannabaal150]

Ruby's last words to his dog: "Sheba, you're on your own." (Apologies to Mel Brooks ;)

[@mikev4621]

@@theblakex Even LHO's manner, as he was walked out, indicated that he found the whole situation a bit suspicious

[@kimmiller6509]

You can plainly hear two beeps from a car horn-perhaps a "signal"; to Ruby about when LHO was coming out?! 🤔

[@maninthemiddle55]

@@kimmiller6509. I’m not doubting that you hear them but I’m not able to.

[@objuan6]

Oswald was the last time anyone bothered with a cover story, since they discovered that confusion works just as well. In your face! Building 7

[@stevefish3124]

The conspirators knew that Oswald would talk once he realized he was the scapegoat.

[@lozenmczapor4771]

@Tautriadelta He was a killing machine with a 5 dollar rifle.

[@glockumollie1230]

Your absolutely right, actually Lee didn't shoot anyone he was the PATSY and he figured it out at the Police department when he was heard saying so I'm the PATSY.

[@meisievannancy]

The cover up was so absurdly clumsy, yet so unrelentingly persistentant by the state perps that try to insult the public buy trying to bully them into believing it.

[@mikev4621]

Stevefish-But he had two days to do exactly that- and he didn't.He could have blurted it out to the press on several occasions, but he didn't. More likely he was smart enough to know that they didnt have a strong case against him in court, so he went with the line that he had nothing to do with any of it.

[@lorrier2475]

Wow! I started shaking. I saw this clip when it happened!

[@lolodee3528]

I have the same ...uh...ptsd?

[@pamogburn6151]

I know he was a loser. But to say a man that was unsuccessful was a loser is not right. Not everyone that is unsuccessful is a loser.

[@marcguidry5744]

I remember seeing that on TV.

[@marylouposka6879]

Only the good (Kennedy) die young. No one who was alive in 1963 doesn't remember this. This was the beginning of our disillusionment in government.

[@deborahfreedman333]

I was alive then. He wasn't a very good president. It was his fault we lost so many young men in Vietnam. He really mishandled the Bay of Pigs, and the Russian Missile Crisis. He cozied up to the mob, which is not surprising considering the source of his family's wealth. His sexual misbehavior makes Bill Clinton look like a monk. Dying young allowed his legacy to remain untarnished. The fact this extremely flawed man had been elected, had already disillusioned many.

[@oldgoat1890]

Without Jack Ruby you could almost believe Oswald worked alone.

[@markrobinowitz8473]

Does anyone still believe the Warren Commission coverup? Allen Dulles was one of the main participants, and he had violent disagreements with JFK. In most murder investigations it is considered improper to have mortal enemies of the victim to be a primary investigator. Hint: the 1978 report from the House Select Committee on Assassinations admitted that there were multiple gunmen.

[@guynorth3277]

No I can't - it was the Dixiecrat/Republicans

[@lolodee3528]

@@guynorth3277 well, TX w a s where they picked...

[@leemoore9933]

The thing about almost all the conspiracy theroist go by is that stupid JFK movie, man thats hollywood its to make a gripping suspenseful movie that sells tickets nothing more.

[@vernpascal1531]

No...The SBT and headshot from the rear are politely...garbage.

[@thomasmoeller3446]

Ruby didn't do it by choice. Ted Cruze's dad made him do it. Trump** saw him force Ruby to do it from his penthouse apartment in Manhattan.

[@eciliaenelson6293]

@Thomas Moeller, 😅😅😅😅

[@dlit]

Jack Ruby was well-known to the Dallas police. Many of them were patrons of Ruby's Carousel club. It makes no sense that Ruby could wander into Dallas police headquarters just before Oswald, who should have been the most tightly-guarded man on earth that day, is led toward him, then move toward Oswald and, without any interference from any of the cops present, shoot Oswald from a few feet away. There is a video on KZbin of Ruby talking to reporters shortly after killing Oswald. He plainly alludes to the fact that there was a conspiracy and says the "true facts" of what went on in Dallas will never come above board to the world, and that "people that had so much to gain" were responsible for "putting me in the position I'm in."

[@MyerheadsCards]

Why was Jack Ruby at the press conference the day after the JFK assassination (and even made an audible correction to one of the answers)? Why was Jack Ruby seen at Parkland Hospital? What if the Dallas police was waiting for Ruby to arrive before escorting Oswald? In other words, instead of being "an hour late"... perhaps they were waiting on him to arrive. Which begs the question: why was Oswald being subjected to the public in the first place? They should have never exposed him.

[@3_up_moon]

"He was a loser" Abusers do the same thing to discredit their victims so their malfeasance goes undetected.

[@kpizzleforizzle5541]

was gonna mention same thing.

[@LardGreystoke]

@@fenwan2405 "Show me Trump and I'll show you a big loser."

[@meisievannancy]

Abrams calling Ruby a loser is him grooming the American public into not believing in an elaborate coup plot existed.

[@AGDinCA]

Im willing to bet Dorothy Kilgallen knew the truth.

[@tosina.5023]

Or Jack Ruby had some inside information that Oswald would be moved at a later time. That's more plausible than dumb luck lol. We are all guessing, just say that you're guessing buddy.

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

Another topic a certain kid I know is passionate about. He has studied every detail available out there.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

You have an "old soul" in your buddy...I'm 50+years and those kids are interesting to be around...you never know what they will talk about. Often they are more aware of the bigger picture and what complicates the problem. Positive vibes from New Hampshire and remember to be kind to each other and yourself during this pandemic and social

[@ljimlewis]

Belli? Even as a teenage kid, before this event, I remember the “sentiment” of my parents as feeling uncomfortable with this “new insanity defense”. Just asking, what is the American sentiment now vs back then? Also remember Belli as full of himself.

[@TheHeavensFellen]

it want insanity defense it was a seizure caused it others said he should have proclaimed it was temporary insanity

[@rlittlejohn2772]

Ruby a fan of John Kennedy? Come on Ruby was Italian. He shot Oswald to shut him up.

[@redalert2834]

Jacob Rubenstein was Jewish, not Italian.

[@lolodee3528]

Jews aren’t Catholic.

[@johnbell6114]

I'm pretty sure that Oswald, Ruby and Tippit knew each other, as in seen drinking together someplace, check it out. Oswald was framed, look into paraffin tests, mainly his face. You squeeze off 3 shots with a bolt action rifle there'd be gunpowder residue on your face. Oswald had none, he was eating lunch with his boss in break room during assassination, look into it.

[@John-ev3rm]

Jack Ruby died an innocent man?

[@washingtonfootballfanwgil8392]

Anytime you die before your appeal, you are "not guilty." Google Aaron Hernandez. His estate was able to sue the NFL for the balance of his contract because he died before his appeal. He was deemed innocent.

[@bertrandlewis4906]

His conviction and death sentence were overturned and he died of a pulmonary embolism before he could be retried

[@meisievannancy]

Earl Warren refused to hear Ruby tell of the coup. He would not allow him to leave Dallas to testify. They spent millions on the cover up though.

[@paulpvhl1930]

Interesting. I didn't realize Ruby claimed to be unaware of what he was doing, same as Sirhan Sirhan. Combine that with the work of Derren Brown and his work to program an assassin that could be triggered in the same way Sirhan claims he was, and that's really quite interesting.

[@_D_E_N_N_I_S_]

*shocked face *

[@_D_E_N_N_I_S_]

Also interesting that after seeing a court appointed dr, he literally went insane. Just drs name is Louis jaylon west. Who was heavily involved in mk ultra.

[@paulpvhl1930]

@@_D_E_N_N_I_S_ I just checked around, including an Intercept article on West and Gottlieb; had forgotten most of it from decades ago. Thanks for the reminder. One needs to have studied a good deal to know which claims are fact-based and which are fabrications. West, a retired army colonel, seems to have believed he was serving his country against the rising East even while destroying some of the subjects of his "research". The blind leading the blind. I had hoped the world had changed, had grown, but Guantanamo Bay suggests otherwise.

[@meisievannancy]

His laeyer Melvin Belli told him to tell that story. I think if he stuck with Tom shown here he might have done better.

[@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc]

Night Club Owner? It was a Strip joint. Half of the Dallas Police drank for free at the Carousel club. Ruby was also the man who was able to spring Trafficante from a Cuban Jail. Mob connections? Absolutely. Cancer? He got treated for a cold and Dr. Jolly declared he was insane. and a couple of weeks later he was dead. (Keep in mind that Dr. Jolly was known for overdosing a giant elephant with LSDF who died in his care.

[@rlittlejohn2772]

Not in control . He had a gun and loaded it and shot Oswald and he didn't shoot anyone but Oswald point blank. BS.

[@LardGreystoke]

Okay. So he should have got convicted, which he did, which is why he died in jail.

[@lengray44]

So he was like trump, without his dad's money

[@meisievannancy]

Abrams calling Ruby a *loser* is not objective. Obviously an apoligist trying to make you believe there is nothing further to see here.

[@rlittlejohn2772]

How did Ruby even get that close to shoot Oswald. It was a set up. Camera man just happens to be there . How did Ruby get in that building?

[@paulcopland1697]

Ruby was a member of organized crime and a strip club and night club owner who had a network of corrupt police who he paid off regularly. it was really easy to get in that building and really easy to shoot Oswald.

[@rixx46]

I wonder if Dorothy Kilgallen’s story is part this?

[@lolodee3528]

Where exactly was Curtis LeMay on 11/22/63?

[@jthomeskillet]

He was not an avenger, he just took out what needed done for those guys in that "thing of theirs"

[@msw8839]

Jack Ruby did assassinate him. He completed the job for the bosses. Ruby's sister said he did not care about JFK or Jackie. Why did the police have such poor security? He also killed someone who was a suspect not convicted. He may have killed an innocent man. Either way it was murder.

[@vernpascal1531]

@@msw8839 Yes if yer ignorant enough or dishonest enough to believe Oswald Acted Alone...then you could probably swallow Ruby's super lame explanation that he wanted to spare Jackie a trial.

[@circussounds855]

What was ruby doing at the Oswald press conference a couple days before? There it turned out were too many ppl on the scene at that time but he was there for a reason.

[@ranger053]

Watch this shooting in slow motion, it’s on here , Oswald catches a glimpse of ruby in this crowd like when you see someone you know, theres enough time to jerk , not one of the handcuffed police looked, it sticks out in slow motion

[@davidllewis4075]

If, as am I, you are old enough to remember those days, you have picked your favorite conspiracy theory and, as with I, are prepared to die believing it.

[@azusa9963]

very interesting, l may need to read this. The Kennedy assassinations were so tragic and changed the course of our country.

[@elinblackburn7345]

Lee Harvey Oswald: "Famous guy coming through." Also Lee Harvey Oswald: "WhaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!"

[@watermelonlalala]

These people are creepy. Why are they doing this? The jurors already rejected Ruby's ridiculous story about how much he loved the Kennedys and wanted to spare Jackie. He didn't go to see them in the motorcade. Instead, he went and placed a news ad that he placed every week. Nothing special. Dan Abrams should just stay out of it. It's all been said before.

[@Hartleymolly]

Louis Joyland West, the psychiatrist, ya know, that worked for CIA, that visited Ruby in isolation, where’s his part in this story, and how he was one of the prominent doctors, involved in the MKULTRA.

[@meisievannancy]

The entertainer friend of Ruby visiting hin in prison said Ruby complained of Jolly West injecting him in prison. The previous prison doc said Ruby was fine when he attended to Ruby. West forced his way in there by constantly pressing the authority to be his doc.

[@Hartleymolly]

@@meisievannancy Indeed!

[@OnlyLoveCan38]

NO! He want to that police station with a gun and waited and planned the murder.

[@calvinndallas3289]

Mr. Ruby always carried a gun and he was a regular at the Dallas Police station.

[@gussetma1945]

Ruby (Jacob Rubenstein) was a labor racketeer who served the Chicago Outfit. The outfit felt betrayed by Kennedy. The idea that he had affection for the Kennedy is preposterous.He was the bag man for Carlos Marcello. His job was to pay off Dallas coppers. He was well known at the Dallas police station. The timing business proves nothing. He may have had the wrong time for Oswalds transfer. He may have been recruited after officer Tibbet failed to silence Oswald.

[@rickmilam413]

The dog in the hot car thing convinced me long ago that it was an impulsive thing for Ruby. The hatred of the CIA and military for JFK has always made me wonder what happened, especially with some of the obvious coverup stuff that took place (please ignore the many insance conspiracy theories that have been published) but I'm reasonably sure we'll never know. LBJ took over and did what the CIA and military wanted in terms of Vienam and shut down JFK's work with Castro (unknown until 1999) to establish a peaceful coexistence with Cuba.

[@michaeldougherty8344]

Can't wait to read this book!

[@markrobinowitz8473]

A much better book: JFK and the Unspeakable: Why he died and why it matters by James Douglass.

[@meisievannancy]

I wouldn't bother. Him calling Ruby a loser is not an objective writer. Obviously an apoligist who wants you to think there is nothing to see here.

[@silentwhisper8633]

People there that saw it were ignored.

[@rogermorey]

Dan Abrams makes poor argument. Ruby planned to shoot Oswald and came there with a gun and a plan. It wasn't "heat of the moment". Interesting what happened to Ruby during incarceration. He was a changed man.

[@masterjedi9151]

Who was that second shooter though?

[@map8847]

As proof that Jack Ruby's killing Oswald was by mere chance, Abrams states that Oswald was suppose to have been moved from Dallas police headquarters to county lock-up at 10:00 am and that Ruby finally showed up at the police station at 11:15. So, why wasn't Oswald moved at 10:00 am? It appears as though they were waiting for Ruby - who arrived late. As coincidence would have it: Ruby, who had just finished running errands, showed up at Dallas PD at exactly the right time and found himself in the police underground parking structure right on Que. and in the presence of about 70 officers and detectives - murdered Oswald. Also, Abrams said that Ruby's dog was in his car. Why would he bring his dog and leave it in the car if he was going to murder Oswald and probably get arrested? Perhaps Jack Ruby, not being a particularly bright man, knowing he would be arrested, thought his dog would starve to death before someone found it. I think an argument can be made that: BECAUSE Ruby brought his dog, he knew he would not be back home to take care of the dog. In other words: Ruby knew he was about to be arrested, so he brought his dog to pass off to Dallas PD to deal with. After he was arrested he probably handed over his car keys and let the officers know the dog was in the car. Beloved dog Sheeba: taken care of.

[@samuelmoore3817]

My point is if oswald was to be moved at 10 00 why would ruby even show up later if he wasnt told about the time change. Even a low iq person knows this

[@mikev4621]

@@samuelmoore3817 11.15 was the time Ruby was told to be there.10 am was the time you and I were told to be there.

[@degenerati]

Nowadays Fox News would make a hero of Jack Ruby, and try to create a culture war around it.

[@zepfan74]

Doubtful, JFK was a democrat, Oswald would be the hero

[@Avinadav12]

He was going to tell the truth. That why he didn’t show up for the second trial.

[@Verdelufe]

Jack Ruby was not a loser, as a boy he worked for Al Capone in Chicago as an errand boy. This journalists keep telling stories that there was no conspiracy to assassinated JFK, people are sick of it.

[@judychandler8485]

I will never forget those days.

[@BeegirlsHoneyHouse]

Oswald was buried a 1/2 mile from my childhood home in Fort Worth and the cemetery was shrouded in mystery and intrigue because of it. Well, that and the gypsy’s whose families would leave food and other oddities on their graves and have usual ‘gatherings,’ there.

[@turntableone4356]

Oswald went to Arlington Heights High School in ft worth texas...and Mark David Chapman the man who shot john lennon is from ft. Worth.

[@nonamegame9857]

Back then during that time is when the justice system actually believed in quick and speedy trials unlike today to where you can have an upper crust criminal stay out on bail for a number of years.

[@McLKeith]

I was 12 when JFK was assassinated. I was out collecting coat hangers as a Boy Scout. It was a big tragedy and felt here in Canada too.

[@moobrien1747]

DOROTHY KILGALLEN.

[@theblakex]

Ruby knew Oswald. End of story.

[@butchoharechicago6657]

Jack Rubenstein. Police groupie. Strip club owner. Use to bounce out rowdies from his stripclub. Nickname Sparky. Grew up in a rough neighborhood in Chicago.

[@brandonjohnson9625]

Lol still covering up the hit this many years later, the mob continues business as usual.

[@butchoharechicago6657]

+@@brandonjohnson9625 Stupid Mob can,t keep anything quiet.

[@lolodee3528]

Grew up in Chicago, yeah, he was well acquainted with the cosa nostra.

[@butchoharechicago6657]

+@@lolodee3528 Mafia don,t hire people with names like Rubenstein and Takahashi. Sorry. Try Sicily. Over 224 names and orgs. have been named or accused in assassination of J.F.K. even STUPID C.I.A. who couldn,t keep Iran-Contra out of Beirut newspapers. Get,s to the point of RIDICULOUS.

[@petertornabeni602]

These people are all from the same school of thought and together, they play the American people like puppets on a string. . . . and now you know -

[@bobdadnaila7708]

I don't think Oswald did it, he was set up and even said as much.... And then he's gunned down in a jail transfer, before he can testify or be tried? Please.

[@crepusculion]

Loser became Ruby's epithet over the decades, but nobody justifies it. Despite the failure of a string of night clubs, so few have the know how and resources for such undertakings, it's an accomplishment in itself. Ruby apparently made a living from his strip clubs; how is he a loser? The characterization of Ruby may have originated from the strippers he employed, women who commonly rationalize that it's the men who pay to see their public nudity who are the losers. Because he threw his life away in such a manner doesn't mean he led the life of a loser. The implication is that killing Oswald was his attempt at redemption for a failed life. Maybe. Why him though? There are billions of losers who don't resort to such histrionics.

[@AbolishFamilyCourt]

7:10 This guy is totally writing, telling and spreading lies. The question is WHY?

[@MH-nc5jd]

Actually the "fugue state" was the state of Oswald after being arrested after shooting a cop.. .. let's at least get out crazy right .

[@sdhscrosscountry]

This is funny, he ask Gerald Ford that he would tell more if they would move him out of Dallas jail.

[@johnbrennan2028]

Maybe they were waiting for ruby to bring Oswald out ? Duh

[@cultureal9544]

What's with last century stuff, msnbc? Is it throw back thursday?

[@jacqdanieles]

If you watch even part of the clip, you'd know it's the preamble to the story they're doing about Dan Abram's book.

[@waltergodsoe5526]

The repercussions of JFK death still impact our lives everyday. The death of Camelot rings loud today.

[@markrobinowitz8473]

@@waltergodsoe5526 We would never have heard of Trump (or the Bushes, Reagan, Clinton) if the Cold War had been allowed to end in Kennedy's second term, as he had announced. JFK also signed the order to start the withdrawal from Vietnam. What would "the Sixties" have been without that?

[@k.patriciahutt2979]

I haven't liked Texas since the Kennedy assassination - recent events only serve to reinforce that opinion. IMO, Jack Ruby was given the death penalty bc the TX authorities wanted to be able to crucify Oswald as a quasi-apology to the country, for letting such a thing happen on their turf. Loser or not, Ruby sure managed to put a big nail in the TX ego-centric image.

[@ccrider3435]

Ruby died an innocent man? GTFOH

[@LeighMet]

Tecinally speaking only

[@mrrodgerspoliticalplaytime5663]

@Fish’n Baked Jersey sassaphrass or herbal

[@ihateevilbill]

@Fish’n Baked Jersey I think what Leigh is saying is that Ruby wasnt tried for the crime successfully. So, by law he died innocent. We all know he did it, but he was never convicted.

[@LeighMet]

@Fish’n Baked Jersey His convictions was set aside and he died before being retired. Therefore legally he died innocent

[@paulcopland1697]

It is public record that Ruby was found guilty of murdering Oswald by a Dallas jury and sentenced to death. Later he launched an appeal and was granted a new trial but he was never declared innocent.

[@3_up_moon]

CIA had to tie up loose ends

[@3_up_moon]

@Roger Wilco uninformed

[@markrobinowitz8473]

@@3_up_moon Robert Kennedy (senior) immediately thought the CIA did it, as did Jackie. The "former" director of CIA was put on the Warren Commission, a severe conflict of interest given that JFK was bitter enemies with Allen Dulles (who he fired from CIA in 1961). James Jesus Angleton. David Atlee Phillips. General Ed Lansdale. among others. Coup In America.

[@3_up_moon]

@@markrobinowitz8473 jack Ruby was also under a CIA psyop program

[@jasonrobertson216]

What was there to deliberate by the jury for 2hrs? Jack Ruby did it live on TV with half the country watching. That'd be like a jury deliberation on if planes hit the World Trade Center towers or not 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lozenmczapor4771]

Ruby knew everyone

[@rca245]

Loser?!…that sure is a weird way to frame it. He was a mobster, who ran the most successful night club in the Dallas / Ft Worrh area. … This is some lame whitewash

[@ShogoAmakusa101]

I love jews😍😍😍

[@suenesnidal2600]

He died of a pulmonary emboli.😮.....He had 2 dogs.

[@lindaforsythe2978]

Alledlgly Ruby passed more prison guard saying it was conspiracy!

[@Simo-nk1oq]

Jacob Rubenstein got orders from Santo Trafficante to "push a button"

[@carydavidhoffson6014]

Jack ruby was with Lee harvey oswald and killed jfk both got out of the book building and to meet at the movie theater but did not get there in time and got him at the police station

[@jnagarya519]

So the lucrative "JFK conspiracy" cottage industry is still running on empty, and still milking the dupes.

[@markrobinowitz8473]

What lucrative cottage industry? Most writers who point out the extrajudicial removal of President Kennedy don't get onto television shows like this guy did. Oliver Stone is about the only exception and that's because he already had status before his film JFK - which the entire media bitterly attacked, probably more than any previous film received. It's much more profitable to claim the Warren Dulles Commission was the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[@jnagarya519]

@@markrobinowitz8473 I deal in reality: Mark Lane, ostensibly Oswald's defense lawyer, published that which was essentially his defense brief as "Rush to Judgment". His job as defense lawyer was to point his finger in as many ways as possible away from his client Oswald. But what explains Oswald's killing of the cop -- because he was innocent? The Boston University School of Medicine did a forensic analysis of the evidence -- and the film of it was shown on PBS. The evidence evaluated and shown included the x-rays of JFK's skull. As the Warren Commission found, and ask the x-ray and accompanying photos showed, he was hit in the upper back of the head. They also showed Governor Connolly's shirt, which had a "burn" mark where the bullet hit SIDEWAYS. Before that video, PBS ran a video of testing of Oswald's rifle. It was DESIGNED in such a way that a bullet fired from it would -- again, as designed -- tumble. Mark Land started the whole "JFK conspiracy" cottage industry, and made a good living from it. And then there's Marr's, who wrote "Crossfire," in which he had JFK shot from four directions. No, he was not, as the x-rays and photos prove. Oh, right: the x-rays are "missing," according to the conspirabunkers, because they disprove the Warren Commission findings. Except that they don't -- they substantiate it. I was in 10th grade when JFK was assassinated. I read extensively, for decades, going back and forth about whether there was a conspiracy. There wasn't. And I've seen the corrosively destructive results of the constant confabulations of BS about the assassination, which also established the ground for all sorts of BOGUS "conspiracy" "theories" to be floated, and swallowed by the gullible. And where are we now because of all that exploitation of gullibility -- the preference for lurid, outlandish "entertaining" fantasies displacing the centrality of fact and truth?

[@lolodee3528]

Oswald shot neither JFK NOR Tippit.

[@morganbanefort181]

my friend stop with that bullcrap

[@user-yv1fh3fc8y]

Ruby was not an avenger but a silencer.

[@terp2726]

Downcheck for trying to sneak in a Morning Joe story without titling it as such. At least it didn't have those two other idiots in it; they're far worse than this trio.

[@raywood4223]

Sure seems to be a lot of losers in this case.

[@Brian-zp1df]

Everything points to Dulles and his CIA Texas conn9

[@9Ballr]

Nothing points to Dulles or the CIA having anything to do with the JFK assassination.

[@RjAdams-hy6dr]

Rubyandoswaldbecamefallguys

[@lindaforsythe2978]

Melvin Belli Ruby's attorneys had mafia ties!

[@leemoore9933]

Al Capone recruited Ruby he ran near beer in Chicago Al wanting to make big Jack but he wasn't I talian. Al and Jack would sit around and drink near beer and make meat balls together. Look it up. They liked to slow dance too.

[@lindaforsythe2978]

Maybe a cip.tipped Ruby to the time Ruby could show up on yime!

[@MH-nc5jd]

..Dr West anyone?.. mkultra.. jack ruby sane one day and completely mad the next.. yup, nothing to see here..

[@JetLeft008]

Kennedy's avenger? That was a clear mafia hit. Ruby was ordered to do that.

[@Plymonk666]

All conspiracy minded will say is: ‘you think they didn’t have somebody in the police station who knew to take him outside at 11:15... yeah yeah of course he was ‘late’’ Then off we go again on the merry-go-round Bigger story is the automatic gun stored with the safety off, that Secrete Service member lifts up in the second car that goes off by accident as it’s lifted from between the middle and rear seats hitting the final shot.... ;)

[@user-JBselect27]

The driver Stitched Entry Plane skins falling From THE_SUN❤❤